I believe if any car company steps 20 years back and manufacture the simpliest car with absolute minimum electronics they will win a huge market for themselves.
Very similar to what Dacia is doing. they are selling the cheapest ICE vehicle for around £13k. the cheapest EV is the MG4, which starts at £26k, double the price. The poorest and less-well off are being forced out of the market.
@@rok1475 all modern engines are "computer controlled" lol. did you think he meant carburetors? Even carbed motors use CD ignitions and most are digital. Its the injection systems that largely control emissions aka how efficiently they can burn fuel. modern engines are so clean it will make little difference switching to an EV that uses much more fossil fuel to manufacture in the 1st place.
@@magallon643 energy is energy bud , be it from a drop of liquid or electrons , make no mistake, if and when the time ever comes that EV'S dominate the car market, you will absolutely without any doubt be paying similar costs or more , for a start EV infrastructure has massive cost , secondly, the taxes governments around the world no longer get in petroleum will then have to be made up from ev owners in other ways. Evs do have some good points, but they also have bad points, they are very heavy , they suck underload , they are still very expensive, they still require masses of rare earth raw materials, and battery technology so far still sucks.
@@1792dt Mark my Words in a few more years cheaper Ev's are gonna be everywhere literally even Baby's are gonna be driving Ev,don't you know how new Technology is when the First Cell phones came out in the 90's the Cost was like $10,000 to buy one and at $45dls a minute,Remember also the first Plama TV at $15,000 dls,you understand where I'm going you see Once the Economy of Scale gets into production every new tech gets cheap,no matter what by the way you can actually buy a brand new Ev right now the 2023 Chevy Bolt Ev just drop on price to $26,000 dls Minus $7500 dls ev incentive comes out to $18,500 dls plus tax license And Fees.
@@mikldude9376 some of your points your are right yea I give you that,I notice you sed they are still expensive and it's true but that's not the Manufacturer Fault,it's the dealer Fault you see those people know once you buy an Ev you're never going back for service for the foreseeable future,since Ev have almost no maintenance and for that reason they are trying to Rob you in the purchase price.
@@hendrxeuropean legislators are always talking dream fairitales. That's been the norm for the past 40 years. They fix super ambitious and strict goals and then they realise it's not fezabile and start taking their words back. Super annoying
I don't see to many Tundra on the road here in Fredericton. My dad had a Toyota car, one truck that was a 78 Toyota landcruiser with the bumper sticking out a half a foot from the front of the truck. Diesel Toyota SR5 truck in 1980-81.
@@jimhalpert0 EVs have significant logistical issues, we don't even know if there's enough cobalt to replace the vehicle market by the time EVs are dominant. Add in that COVID has made many countries skeptical of overseas supply chains (period), and EVs have a less certain future than most of their advocates would admit.
@@magallon643 Kodak and blockbuster lost because the competition was superior. Evs are still very impractical for many use case scenarios. When evs become better, longer range, quicker and more available recharging, better towing, better cold weather performance, then more people will switch. No ev currently made will meet my usage needs.
@@howebrad4601 I own my Ev for over 6 years, can you believe I haven't visited a Gas Station in that long,let me tell you because apparently literally none of those issues you mention are a problem for me as most people also,you may drive 300 miles a day but I'm not Ev's only have less than 20 moving parts compared to 2000,00 of a Gas Car,there's Ev's right know with 400 miles per charge,no maintenance either no more oil changes ever again or spark plugs,Evs don't leave stranded in the Cold there's tons of videos of Teslas working in Minus 35 F° wheater,when we travel at some point you're gonna need to take a brake almost nobody drives 400 Miles without taking a bathroom brake or Coffe brake,so your Stops are made at the Super charger FYI its only less than 20 Minutes with the latest Supercharger,I was like you once by the way I took the plunge years ago and never look back,if a semi ever Totals my car I Will buy a new Electric car again,I don't think I can't get used to paying $5dls per gallon again.
@@howebrad4601 My sentiments exactly. I live in the Colorado mountains where we get a lot of snow. Last November I bought a Chevrolet Bolt EUV. The Bolt didn’t work for me, so a month ago I traded the Bolt in for a Subaru Forester that gets me through the snow and I don’t have range anxiety anymore.
From Vancouver Canada, I live in an apartment, strata hired an electrician to look at our underground parking to install chargers for EV. Was told our 20 yr old building wiring cannot handle extra electrical demand. So nobody in our building with 42 units can buy an EV. Currently our building has 1 plug in hybrid and if someone else plug in a pressure washer or something, it will blow a fuse and half the underground lights will go out. Toyota is smart for not going full EV yet. I just bought a 2023 Toyota Corolla LE Hybrid AWD, the perfect car for now.
Do you fill up your gas car at your apartment currently? Exactly, you don't and that's the purpose of the charging infrastructure that is being built, but of course that will take some time. Home charging is not the real solution, just a stopgap. It's not reasonable for every home and apartment building to have EV charging. It's a huge mistake by car companies to use home charging as the main selling point of EVs.
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That’s a building problem, not a BEV problem. Your reasoning is: I live in a crappy building, therefore I need to buy a crappy car. I don’t recommend reasoning that way…
from CANADA. THE WEATHER. -20 , -40 ICE AND SNOW ROAD ( VERY HARD FOR BATTERY ????)
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@@cuongphan2020 Vancouver is not that cold, but we get -25°C in Ontario and it’s fine. Better than with an engine actually, which sometimes fails to start in the cold because… (irony) of the 12V battery! Haha yes the low voltage battery in an EV doesn’t need huge power output like in a gas or diesel vehicle, because there is no engine to start.
@@Mabeylater293 Tesla still are not the solution you have to pay way too much to charge them take way too long to charge then and you have to wait in line an hour if you live in California
@@jessed6379 Hi-Lux also top seller in South Africa. Toyota's main reason for good sales is their very good after sales service here. They have no nonsense warranty, unlike other manufacturers that try and get out of warranty repairs. But I think Toyota is going to come close to bankruptcy if they do not switch quickly to EV's.
As a Toyota 4runner owner, this makes me very glad to hear. Toyota has even more of my respect to go a different way. I'd much rather own a Hydrogen powered vehicle down the road. Otherwise, I'm sticking to conventional fuel motor.
well the solution is renewable alcohol to replace gasoline since gasoline is a fossil fuel and that is why it's bad for climate problems ev's are not renewable since fossil fuels still power the mining of the materials for making their battery's simple
I happen to work at a Toyota plant in Canada where we build gas and hybrid models. I believe they are making a great decision. Although they can’t publicly say it because of geopolitics, their leadership knows that the EV narrative, along with its lofty goals, is most likely not achievable
Precisely what is an "EV narrative? Carmakers don't make narratives, they make cars. Toyota is gambling that hydrogen powered vehicles will capture a significant portion of the worldwide car market. But if they are the only major carmaker making hydrogen vehicles then they are bound to fail. There simply won't be enough hydrogen powered cars to support the necessary infrastructure to sustain that as an alternative. There are already more than 20 million EVs on the roads and 1 out every 7 new cars sold is an EV. Most major carmakers have already said that they will stop making gas powered cars in the next 15 years. EVs are the future of personal transportation, there is no doubt of that.
@@damianketcham On what evidence are you basing that conclusion? And how are calculating the "dirtiness" of an EV compared to a car with an internal combustion engine? If we are talking solely about the environmental effects of driving the 2 types of vehicles, then the EV is undeniably cleaner. According to research from MIT: "Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, the Department of Energy found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO2 equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles." That figure is true for every mile driven. Even if your claim was true, it would mean that the EV is 250% cleaner as most cars are driven at least 200,000 miles before they are junked.
@@stevenweikert7062 Your not factoring in the battery replacement. Your battery will lose efficiency over time and the battery will need to be replaced at the very least once if not twice or more to reach 200,000 miles. Rare earths don’t come for free and I wonder if MIT factored that in. Edit: SAE and C&D did a study that showed ICVs meet or exceed efficiency claims EV real world efficiencies fall short by 12.7%. I’m not trying to promote one over the other but a real world approach needs to be advanced. Not politics . I personally drive a hybrid because a high efficiency seems to be maintained.
@@damianketcham According to Car & Driver: "All EVs sold today include a battery warranty of at least eight years and 100,000 miles. Tesla, for instance, offers an eight-year battery warranty and coverage of between 100,000-150,000 miles depending on the specific model. This warranty doesn't only cover the complete failure of the battery pack, it also serves as a guarantee against serious degradation. The U.S. Department of Energy, meanwhile, predicts today's EV batteries * ought to last a good deal past their warranty period, with these packs' service lives clocking in at between 12 and 15 years if used in moderate climates *. Plan on a service life of between 8 and 12 years if your EV is regularly used in more extreme conditions." The rare earth materials in lithium ion batteries are recyclable. More modern EVs using sodium ion - which will be widely available at the end of 2023- don't need rare earth minerals at all.
Until they can charge in 2 minutes and get 800km range EVs can eat a fat one. Very impractical unless you are wealthy, retired, and don't go far. Hydrogen is the future IF ICE vehicles are replaced.
Governments that attempt to 'Force' the market in one direction or another always miss both the unintended consequences, and fail to grasp that customers want what they want, not what government tells them to want.
"there are no solutions, only trade offs" Thomas Sowell Governments can not dictate, but that never stops them from trying. The EV fad is going to go down as one the the biggest WTF were you thinking in world history. EV's certainly have their place but an entire EV fleet isn't practical. The power grid isn't ready for it, and the roads aren't designed for the extra weight and neither are the bridges. I just saw a video out of China that shows huge fields of EV cars just sitting there rotting, all brand new all just to fill a quota. It was compared to the bicycle rental Ponzi there a few years back. And just for some perspective In his report titled “Mines, Minerals and Green Energy: A Reality Check”, Mills finds that a lithium electric vehicle battery weighs about 1000 pounds. Such a battery typically contains about 25 pounds of lithium, 30 pounds of cobalt, 60 pounds of nickel, 110 pounds of graphite, 90 pounds of copper, about 400 pounds of steel, aluminium, and various plastic components. From these figures and average ore grades, one can estimate the typical quantity of rock that must be extracted from the earth and processed to yield the pure minerals required to produce an electric vehicle battery. Lithium brines typically contain less than 0.1 percent lithium, meaning some 25,000 pounds of brines to get the 25 pounds of pure lithium. Similarly cobalt ore grades average about 0.1 percent, nearly 30,000 pounds of ore per battery. Nickel ore grades average about 1 percent, thus about 6000 pounds of ore per battery. Graphite ore is typically 10 per cent, thus about 1,000 pounds per battery. Copper at about 0.6 percent in the ore, thus about 25,000 pounds of ore per battery. In total then, acquiring just these five elements to produce the 1000-pound EV battery requires mining about 90,000 pounds (over 40 tonnes) of ore. It only gets worse. When accounting for all the earth moved (i.e. the materials first dug up to get to the ore), one battery requires digging and moving between 200,000 and 1,500,000 pounds (or between 90 and 680 tonnes) of earth per battery. Note these figures don’t include the vast quantity of materials and chemicals used to process and refine all the various ores. And we have no idea what what environmental damage is yet to come with millions of batteries piling up in landfills. Guess who's going to pay for that?
Every single F-150 redhead has said that and is completely false (atleast for first world nations). Its the cost of building the vehicle thats the problem. When you complain about EV's use the real problems of a EV and not "LIThIuM mINe pOLlUTiOn" And "mOrE pOLutAvE cUz tHE eLEcTrIc gRiD is 999% cOAl" The problems of the EV is that it doesn't really solve the pollution problem of cars and the road accident deaths across the world and its like those Enviormentally friendly trends that don't actually solve the problem in a worldwide perspective. The true solution is public transit and biking
Lol, where do you get your data? Also, any electronic supply problem is easily solvable, while any gasoline distribution problems generate huge disruptions. EV is the future. You can combat that statement all you like, but Toyota is doing this because of people that will not embrace the future
Electric Vehicles,Bicycle Lanes,& yes even roadway circles that were eliminated at least in America in the 1950's are back. Lets see --a constant CRT,Racial Problems,Protests,Dividing People & more. All just to groom & dub down people & brainwash socialites into a New World Order, what ever that is. Basically ruin the world so a few wealthy control everything as China moves in to rule.
@@miloszivkovichelectrical supply easily fixable? Solar is cost prohibitive Hydro is area restricted Wind is cost and area restricted. Regardless, you still have to TAX people more who are already struggling to make ends meet with current bills. Do you know what an average electricity bill will cost here in Texas in a slightly older home needing renovations? Easily can cost $300-700. During summer/winter. While you or I might able to afford that amongst renovations… good luck think others will. EVs are doomed not cause it’s not good tech…. It’s because you all failed to realize you are leaving society behind and are expecting people to just kneel over and buy anything
@@Texarmageddonnot to mention the infrastructure to upgrade from transformers to transmission lines to substation power - as an electrical engineer with power station knowledge the idea of all electric future is a joke - in order for the utilities to make these kinds of upgrades will take many years and billions if not trillions of dollars in cost which they will pass to customers
My first Asian car was a new Toyota CORONA, one of the best cars I ever owned. My brother was so impressed with my Corona, he went out and bought a Toyota Crown. Two of the best cars we ever owned!
Something I never see mentioned is the fact that many drivers in EV-friendly countries won't get an EV because they can't charge them at home; apt's, condo's, etc.
Definitely! A lot of people have on-street parking or park in garages that have no provisions for charging. I rent a basement suite and currently have no ability to charge a vehicle at home. Governments need to make charging services mandatory in all new building construction if they think they're going to have mass adoption in the amount of time they're pushing for.
Toyota and Tesla are the only two automotive brands that make any sense. Tesla is playing their game and Toyota is playing there’s. It’s embarrassing to see a Ford motor company chase Tesla.
Had my Corolla for ten years. Not only the best car I've ever had, but one of the best things I've ever had overall. Still rock solid and tight as a drum.
Cars are not the biggest polluters in the world, your little SUV wont make much of a difference to climate change. In fact the EV manufacturing process and battery disposal are way dirtier and more toxic than the combustion engine. When things dont add up, start subtracting.
By any chance the toyota is the newest car with the latest technology you own? Its like apple saying, this years iphone is the fastest iphone we have build so far.....
Imagine what could possibly go wrong when governments want to force the entire world to take a shot into a specific product, not tested on a long-term and funded by them?
The problem of EV in Asia is particularly problematic. Thailand recently had a huge influx of Chinese-made EVs. Propelling the country to be the top consumer of EV in ASEAN. However, total sales is still far less than traditional manufacturers like Toyota and Honda. It is the same situation across South East Asia. Issues like battery overheating, extremely expensive battery replacement and virtually none existent charging infrastructure is key. Most customers opt out and go for hybrids or pure ICE. To own an EV, you’d have to be earning quite nicely, which most customers do not. For those customers, value is more important. That’s why Toyota is still not going full EV.
Hahaha… Overheating batteries, replacing batteries, what rubbish do you read? No charging infrastructure? Last time I looked they had electricity to practically every home and business. Any plug will charge an EV, not to mention adding your own solar and making your own ‘fuel’. Not so easy to drill and refine your own oil…
@@davebway6371 oh boy.... I am in bkk, no charging station anywhere I go in my area and the electricity bill is already high for normal people, let alone when this abyss of energy aka ev will be prevalent - which will never be... especially here in ASEAN where having motorbike is crucial for daily life and those who are not comfortable will use car - all that will be powered by conventional engines, ev is just a fad which only hides its dirtiness in the coal power plant.... it is all just terrible idea pampered by fools
While EVs have the potential to be more sustainable, it’s important to consider the entire lifecycle of a vehicle and the energy sources used to charge it and produce its batteries. I believe Toyota is taking a responsible approach to our environmental well-being and acknowledging the impact of manufacturing on our planet. In the past, people used to keep their cars for as long as they ran.
Can you define "sustainable" in some way other than by a slogan. I'm not aware of anything in the natural universe that is "sustainable" since all is constantly changing or being outright destroyed. Even the earth and the sun are "unsustainable" the human race and all that live on the planet are all on a short journey. Sustainable sounds more like the idea of a "heaven" where nothing perishes or is consumed, as such I think this word is a religious concept having nothing to do with the real world.
"Sustainability" in the context of the natural world isn't about eternal stasis; rather, it's about striving for systems and practices that allow life to flourish in harmony with the ever-changing and dynamic universe. It's an aspiration to minimize the negative impacts and enhance the regenerative potential of our actions, recognizing that all things change but aiming to ensure that life's journey continues in a more balanced and resilient manner on our planet. While the concept may carry shades of an idealized "heaven," it is fundamentally grounded in our responsibility to steward our world wisely, acknowledging the realities of change and seeking to make them as gentle as possible for the benefit of all life.✌️
@@gilbertocharpentier6391 *RE: " It's an aspiration to minimize the negative impacts and enhance the regenerative potential of our actions, recognizing that all things change but aiming to ensure that life's journey continues in a more balanced and resilient manner on our planet. "* In other words its an aspiration to "de-governmentize" the planet. Can anyone imagine a more destructive force to harmony and resilience than the iron hammer of government force. One look at the rot and filth in big government controlled cities should confirm this. Government education has wrought only endemic hopelessness, purposeless, despair, drug addiction, and death among the young as well as fragility, intolerance, and ignorance among the survivors. I agree that everyone should strive to keep their nests clean but there are no "global" remedies to a pleasant life. Government does not know what the world gentle means. In terms of unnatural death they are the leading killers of humanity. One only needs to be blithely ignorant of history to doubt this. All life on Earth is carbon based; it is one of three of the essential atoms (the others being hydrogen and oxygen) to virtually all life on Earth. The substance called carbon dioxide is the limiting factor here being but a tiny fraction of the other essential ingredients of life. This is why it is vanishingly rare as hungry life devours it. If you love life the very last thing one would try to do (thankfully it can't be done) is "decarbonize" the planet.
I absolutely agree with Toyota’s agenda - and for all the right reasons - including - staying profitable in a tough industry - my next new car will be a gasoline Toyota Corolla 😅
@@brucemcintyre295 - As a consumer - thank you Toyota. / But if I were to invest - Toyota has a long and profitable reputation and stock price appreciation - and that says it all - practicality with no hype !
@@shirleycrosner634 Toyota are doomed to lose market share, and will do well to survive the switch to electric. I wouldn't advise anyone invest in legacy auto at this time.
Education protects against stupidity. You probably also think that a Blackberry is better than a smartphone. You have to go with the times or go with the times
I will never buy an EV either. They're not practical for driving long distances, rely on an already over-burdened electrical grid, and are too expensive to purchase. There's a reason that automobile manufacturers abandoned EV's in the late 1800's. I'm not against EV's. If they make sense for your lifestyle - go for it. They just don't work for me.
@@AcidGubba EV cars is like inventing what came before ICE cars. ICE cars are better in every way at being a car. You're misunderstanding technological advancements from making things unnecessarily complicated. We're talking about cars not computers. EVs are inferior at being a car than ICE cars.
My Acura Integra had over 450 000 km on it when I sold it. It was still running great, no burning oil no leaking, solid gearbox. Probably still running.
Sticking with hybrids is by far the smarter decision, as these will be a better fit for most people, both for actual use and comfort with planning drives
Problem is hybrids still have traditional engines in them. People switching to EVs are trying to move away from all the maintenance, oil changes, repairs, etc. when you have a traditional engine.
@@snart You think EV don't break down? With the exception of an engine most any part on an EV car has a relative on a Gas Engine car that breaks. Now to through a stick in a few spokes, I work for a company that packages car parts for an American automaker. Want to know how many steering parts we pack because they wear out or break? Brake lines? Eight different part numbers at our facility and we are one of 17.
And voting for democrats is by far the smarter decision BC the TV people told me to think like that, I always do as I'm told, BC without them, I wouldn't have and opinion of my own.
Toyota is being smart to play the long game. They are diversifying the portfolio of their products but waiting for markets to mature as per their own taste. Hence they are the No 1 car company in the world
I live in Brazil, and owning ANY car here is a life achievement for most people. An EV would be a dumb purchase if it was ever possible. A Corolla sells for over 100k, while the mean income is around 3k before taxes.
@@stephenrye6474, I have to clarify that it's 100k in our local currency (BRL), but I believe that the stats I gave you are able to nicely convey the idea. Owning a car (licensing, registration, maintenance) is another sad, sad story!
As the world transist to EV and other alternatives to fuel powered vehicle, Toyota might have a long term strategy not following hype but looking at the numbers critically. Nice video by the way
EV's are essentially fossil fueled vehicles with an additional stage of inefficiency (charging) added. Until the world transitions to very large scale nuclear power electrical generation, EV's will just contribute to the problem.
So were just going to ignore the fact that they invested heavily into hydrogen vehicles over the years? "might" really stands out in your sentence and I doubt you have any sources for whatever numbers they're "critically" looking at. They have a large sunk cost into hydrogen and in order to save face they have to make it work.
Not an EV fan, I’m starting to warm to Hybrid, but even that took me 15 + years. All I can say, is I love Toyota and I trust in the products they produce and their business strategy. That is why I drive Toyota’s, own stock in the company, but now it looks like I need to invest/ dabble in Hydrogen stocks as well, lol.
I own a 2015 Toyota Avalon, very smooth yet powerful. I love that car. Especially since 2015 is considered a good year for the Avalon. I would never ever give up this car for an EV. I plan on keeping my Avalon for 30 years which is not a surprising statement considering Toyota builds the finest vehicles in the world.
I love my wind-powered car. Of course the mast and sails mean I can’t drive under bridges, and it takes me ages to get to work on calm days, but the fuel savings!
I've never been a fan of Toyota, but its strategy outlined here makes more business sense than going all out to pure electrification, especially considering the global market.
As of today, August 11, 2023, Toyota has developed FCEVs and H2O engines, while Chinese and Tesla EVs are facing many challenges. Toyota has once again proven to be the leading automaker in the world, and is widely respected for its innovation and commitment to sustainability.
Nobody EVER said, "all out". Stop lying. Huge difference from even having a toe in the water. I'm hoping Toyota continues with that hydrogen nonsense - it will bring about their bankruptcy and Japan's, that much sooner. Their smugness will be rewarded - in Hell.
Really hope this works.! As a teenager I heard that HYDROGEN was going to power our future, with no problems - it was just 10 years away. I am now close to 70 years old, and have heard every decade of my life, that HYDROGEN is coming to our help. It might be just a few years away.!?!
@@GeorgeChuy The difference here is we just haven't managed to get fusion power to work yet whereas hydrogen power is definitely a thing, it is just not very good.
I used a battery-powered riding lawn mower to mow a 4 acre property back in the late-70s. I had to split the process into two days because the charge would run out. When we switched to a gas mower, the process took 4-ish hours total. Which do you think I preferred using? EVs will only gain wide adoption when their price point, longevity, and convenience of daily use are superior to ICE vehicles. The markets will decide😊
@@daydreamer8373 yes, it has. But it's still not a direct, "superior," replacement option for 100s of millions of consumers. Maybe someday, but I don't think it's gonna happen down the lithium, nickel, cobalt route. It'll have to use some other, more easily obtainable with less nasty side effects (e.g. thermal runaway), chemistry.
@@admireandinspire4525 someone who has to go further than 450 km, and needs to do it as fast as possible without having to worry about the necessary infrastructure 😎 EVs are fine as commuter/errand vehicles. For those of us who live in the middle of "nowhere", they simply are not practical, especially not when the range degrades 20-60% in "cold" weather.
A company with no direction what so ever. We’ll just do everything because “we have no idea what the market is doing”. Either they have a plan and are lying or they are telling the truth and will find themselves behind the times. How exactly does that make sense?
The big problem with EV is simply electrical supply. Most electrical networks around the world are under strain with the reduction of large coal fired plants, which are being replaced with many smaller gas fired plants - not really a CO2 fix Im afraid. But the networks to your homes were never designed for the heavy loads that _large_ numbers of home ev charging that will be needed. Its a great scam for the electric companies, and watch _everyones_ electric bills get way more expensive as the generation of electricity becomes a bigger and bigger problem. EVs are not a solve. Coupled with their extremely devastating production pollution, people have been fooled into paying 3x the price of a normal car, for "green" solutions that just arent. I think Toyota is one of the few car companies that is being very sensible about how to tackle the problem, rather than jumping into a solution that has potentially worse ramifications for the planet, they are playing a longer game. Kudos to them.
Toyota could have worked on an EV ten years ago, and today streets would be full of them and nobody would know who "Tesla" is. instead they wasted tons of money on hydrogen, which is going nowhere because of the intrinsically higher cost.
Select markets are good for EVs but like in the 1900’s Daimler Mercedes realized like Ford Electric cars are good for short distances within a city area . However, the long travel distances required for travel leisure, commercial, military, and or moving transportation will become more reliant on hydrogen fuel cell electric (HFEV ). If the past is any blueprint, some markets will adopt pure EV, whereas other markets will go with Hydrogen. Price and costs will go down for both and the winner will obviously still be Hydrogen due to its practical applications across all types of transportation systems. Airplanes, boats, and even trains will be zero emissions with Hybrid Hydrogen and the refueling time it takes to go longer distances whereas planes running on EV will be encumbered by battery weight and distances traveled issues with using electric batteries. Boats on the other hand can run purely on EV but again speed and distance will be outpaced by hydrogen electric Engines. The hydrogen engines output immense power for longer periods and can recharge an electric battery as well.
Oh and Elon Musk is also tinkering with hydrogen as we speak. Elon was against hydrogen due to its costs but like in the 1900’s battery Benz’s gave way to petrol and Diesel engines found on Rolls Royces and Bentleys, soon US, French, and Italian automakers all following gas ICE makers. The technology always driving down costs.
This video is rot. Toyota have EVs and plan to keep developing their range. Website says and I quote: "It's clear, the future of our planet needs an answer today. At Toyota we've made it out mission to find a way to power the future without fossil fuels. We've committed to powering our entire range with zero emissions by 2050 by developing electrified vehicles."
EV's are the "shinny new object" that everyone is clamoring for, but are not the "net zero" answer. Toyota is playing the long game by developing new technology that will be sustainable and affordable for years to come. Once the world wakes up to the EV downsides and astronomical environmental costs, the automakers will beg for Toyota's patents on Hydro.
BS Hydrogen is a waste of electric power. EV is less than half the electric consumption. So unless you can make hydrogen in some magical new way, it will not be for cars.
On another You tube channel, it said China's car market will be 80% EV by 2030 and while China was Toyota's biggest market in 2021, it will be gone from China by 2030. And a hydrogen ICE car? It produces NOx polution and is extremely inefficient compared to battery EVs. EV still need a better battery. The # of times a lithium battery can be charged/recharged is silll very limited.
Most countries are not going to switch and the major manufacturers will still be producing engines for those countries that are not attempting to destroy their own economies.
I own a 6 cylinder 2019 Camry that I intend to drive for another 10 years or more. Hopefully when I need a replacement, Toyota will still offer options other than an EV.
My Camry is 20 years old, plays cd’s and cassettes, has knobs, and no touch screen. It’s 6 cylinders let me easily zoom past trucks traveling up long hills. I love it!
I rented a Tesla in South Florida. It was my first time in an EV. I watched 2 hours of RUclips videos about operation beforehand and was able to start and drive the car. I was overwhelmed by the complexity. I could not enjoy the for the two days I had it. The whole time I was in the car i could watch the charge go down. Charging stations were way out west in Miami. The car told me to turn up the temp on the AC to save on charge. It was 95 degrees outside! Then the car gave me a time out from the auto drive because my hand wasn't on the wheel. What! No way I was taking my hands off the wheel. My daughter later told me I needed to slightly shake the wheel. I think I will put Tesla in a time out...Permanently. Was it fast? Yes. Was it comfortable? No. Was it enjoyable? No. Would I rent one again? No. I think I will stick with the BMW 5 series I usually rent and enjoy the time in the car. I think Toyota may have called this one right this time!
They recommend not parking your EV in the garage because of fires. Why on earth would anyone want to be in a car that can catch fire? We have a Toyota Highlander hybrid. We fill the gas tank once a month. Drove to Las Vegas and back to Southern California on one tank of gas.
It seems Toyota is the only car company that really gets it. The hybrid offers the best of both worlds. And when the solid-state battery comes out. I’m sure you’ll be able to drive a hybrid vehicle for over 100 miles on just electric power but you still have the gas engine. It doesn’t appear that evs are the solution. In my view, I think the hybrid is the answer with a much longer range (solid-state battery)
I wouldn't say no to an EV for a shopping trolley to get bread and milk, but living in Australia we sometimes go further than that. eg. the last trip with the family we loaded the Land Land Cruiser and the fist stop was 934 km or 580 Miles single stint, to my knowledge no EV can do that. And where we ended up power would be in short supply.
Bought an EV last year. We did a trip from Brisbane to Sydney last Christmas that took 22 hours! Had to stop at Newcastle as we ran out of battery and the charging stations were out of order. Sold it and bought the new deisel landcruiser.
Lol i would love u yo agree with them when they go backrupt within 2 years and will crash the japanese economy Toyoto is a failure across the board ... they are losing chinese marketshare so fast itll give u whiplash
I agree with you. People are starting to realize that EVs are not economic and that the manufacture and scrapping of the batteries are an environmental disaster. There will be no all-electric future.
@@peterww3241 Building an EV, and operating it, use WAY less materials, and emit less carbon than an oil-powered vehicle. EV batteries are already being recycled. New battery tech, including iron-air batteries, and being researched and constructed. New battery tech will make EVs much cheaper and more efficient, than they are today. Tesla is working on the Model 2, which is forecast to cost $25K. The average new auto today costs about $48k.
Toyota is number one in Finland as well. I'm just hoping they will not go the way of overpricing their cars and aiming for the high end market. That would be a huge mistake and kill their market share. I don't want to get an EV for many of the reasons mentioned on this video and I'm glad to hear my favorite car manufacturer also has a clear head amidst this EV hype.
I can tell you battery life never gets better after buying a brand new unit. Expect to replace EV packs every 7-10 years and like for tesla costs close to $20,000. I know hybrid cars and have seen EV batteries not last that long. When people boast about how good their tesla is I laugh because aren't most brand new cars great the first 6 months??? I've said it for years hydrogen fuel cars are better options than EV
Still loving my 2005 Prius. 45-50 mpg is just fine with me. (And yes, I have replaced the battery once). Been across country and all around. Keep your electrics, Big Guy.
@@commonsense5709I doubt he replaced the battery yet - I have priced some out though and it is less than $1500 which is almost as much as a set of tires these days
Put it this way: on one hand the politicians of the world think EV is the future while, on the other hand, the people who run the most successful car maker think otherwise.
This is like saying politicians think that we should go carbon neutral while the multi billion dollar oil companies do not. I’m not really for EVs (I think we should just build robust public transportation) but companies only dictate what’s good for their wallet not what’s good for people
So the four people in the thread, where you from and what's the emissions on brand new vehicles in your country I'm euro 6 the cleanest that's on the market
If Trump declared cars to be socialism and horses to be American, Republicans would buy horses and Toyota would be happy to sell them to you. Corporations don't follow the science or technology, they simply follow the demand, even if it's driven by ignorance.
I own an EV (almost 8 years now). But I neither love nor hate them. They serve a purpose, and in the right situation, they can be quite economical, but they are definitely not for everyone. I didn't buy mine to save the planet, I bought it to save money, and it has, and it continues to do so. But ONLY because it works for my situation.
It doesn't really save the world if theres Genocide in the DRC where the Lithium is mined to operate this ev weird thing, kids as young as 5 years are forced to mine colbat and Lithium for the western government with a propaganda of save the the world global warming a hoax
Toyota has their head on straight and aren’t blinded by hype and nonsense. Lithium based transportation technology is not the way to go and I won’t accept it.
Toyota is a global company that sells a lot of vehicles in areas with little infrastructure at all, much less EV charging. They also tend to be very conservative. EVs will still comprise the majority of vehicles sold after 2040 and Toyota will end up shifting most of their production line in this direction over time.
@@bruceellenburg429 Who knows? EV batteries usually only fail at the very beginning or very end of a cars lifespan. Those at the beginning are covered by warranty and the end of lifespan case isn't really occurring yet, because EV's haven't reached this stage yet. And then almost all defective EV batteries are being repaired rather than replaced.
I'd love an electric vehicle, but I can't ignore that rare minerals are called rare for a reason, there's a political and enviromental cost too. I'm not sure EV is sustainable.
The other day while having work done my ICE car, I asked the shop manager if he had ever replaced the battery on an electric car....he said yes he had, on a hybrid Toyota Prius. I asked him how much did it cost the owner. He said $8,000.00. Your honor, I rest my case.
I think that is good. EV batteries generally last five to ten years and usually cost 50% of the price of the car when new. I won't be buying EV anytime soon.
@@kevinfernandez9999 I have a 2005 normal car. I can't imagine spending $8000 to keep it going for the next 10 years. I would have to replace both the engine and transmission for that kind of money.
I had always assumed my next vehicle would have been an EV. But as I learned more about them, my misgivings increased: the various battery technology issues, including being beholden to China for rare earth minerals, the range and charging limitations (or additional costs), catching fire if exposed to high water, the cost, etc. I felt that Toyota’s hydrogen vehicle was a better way to achieve clean vehicles, but their refueling options were even less compelling than batteries. So in the end, I “split the difference” and went hybrid, hoping that by the time I make my next vehicle purchase, the drawbacks with current non-ICE vehicles will have been addressed in at least one of the current or future technologies so that buying one doesn’t seem so prone to buyer’s remorse.
@@ErikssonTord_2it's also not very energy efficient being used either. Same energy efficiency as gas, and way more expensive. It's not a good alternative
Prices of cars rised by 50% in last years in Europe. It will not make people driving younger cars in general. Hybrid car's fuel consumption is about 65-70% of ICE only. Ban in 2035 is like forcing engines revolution. Latest EURO 7 norm would kill small cars A, B-size. It's madness. We need another 5 years for tech development to make EV, H2 etc. affordable plus law which protects small ICE cars till 2040.
Put me in the "won't buy one until every last ICE vehicle has been confiscated and crushed" category. Same for my lawn mower, trimmer, etc. I'll use electric hand tools (drill, saw, etc) because those don't require vast amounts of energy like cars and mowers do. Battery power is fine for low energy applications, which does not include cars. Also put me in the "hydrogen is better" camp. Hydrogen engines don't require lots of rare earth minerals. Minerals that aren't abundant enough to supply the entire planet's requirements if all vehicles were electric. Hydrogen is basically a battery. Electricity is used to generate Hydrogen from water, and Hydrogen engines generate water when running. Zero emissions, zero rare earth metals. I think that history has shown that whatever Toyota's strategy is, it's the right one.
I for 1 DEFINITELY ADMIRE Toyota for taking this stance… personally I’m not ready for the e-v actually I’m tied of hearing about them …. I’ve never warmed up to foreign car makers but this could put me behind the wheel of a Toyota Crown
I think that EV's have a place in the various markets, especially for local delivery fleets, Taxi Cabs, and some other possibilities. But I am not sold on them for personal use. I understand the pluses, but there are more negatives than most people realize. Then there is the cost of buying one. The up front cost seems outrageous and beyond insane. Personally, I can't justify it.
@@mb7392 Long charge time, cold weather rendering chargers useless and might destory battery life, Minerals mostly owned by China & Mining them is possibly worse than fossil fuels for now and the foreseeable future. Why are we betting all on EVs when they are still in there potential electric napalm phase? Without a massive charger and green power plant building frenzy you're just passing tailpipe emissions to the old fossil anyways, just at a massive markup to you the responsible consumer.
@@mb7392 they cost up to twice as much, the batteries degrade rapidly, they devalue more rapidly the batteries weigh sixty times as much as petrol by energy storage, they take far longer to charge, they increase the amount of electricity production. They weigh far more.
Plug in hybrid options are far more practical, reliable and economical. As others rush to build as many EVs as quickly as possible, Toyota won’t get hurt by soaring lithium prices. Consumers won’t be burned by infrastructure challenges which are still massive even in leading markets. Then there is the question of what EV technology and also hydrogen technology will look like in 10-25 years. They’re positioned brilliantly for sustained growth.
I have driven Toyota or Lexus for 40 years and will do so in future too. My current Prius allows me to cover over 1000 kilometres, about 650 miles without having to refuel. Most evs allow you 200 to 300 miles at the most. That just makes no sense. Unfortunately the EU where I live plans to ban all fossile fuel cars by 2035. I hate this ev hype.
The next vehicle I buy will most likely be a used Prius but I plan to keep and drive my 2010 6 speed manual TRD Offroad Tacoma for many many years to come.
Well done Toyota. Here in the UK you can sense the palpable insecurity around whether we will be ready by 2030 to abandon the ICE? Hybrid [as a minimum] has always been the sensible interim step
Toyota is probably making the right call. The tech isn't there yet for battery power, and there are other techs also being developed. I think an important challenge is to think of it from a supply chain point of view and make choices that allow an unhindered flow of materials into production.
the real reason is toyota unable to get the ev patents because they are slow in ev, and then giving all kind of fake excuse to paint a good image on them
@@foreverl6751 If they couldn't get the EV Patendts, then why was there already a fully EV created by them? Watch the whole video. The majority of the world does not want EV, that's why Toyota is sells more than the next competitor by a huge margin.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq you do not know how patent works, Toyota needs to pay the fee to the patent owner before building any ev, and the ev trend data is growing every year despite of your hate. Please study more before making any ignorant comments 😂
@@foreverl6751 There is no patent when their vehicles are different dummy. That's what why they have a groups that only deals with designs and patents in their company. Study up your end before commenting dummy. It's like saying Popeyes chicken have to pay KFC patent fees just because they started their fried chicken business before them. How stupid are you?
I think Toyota will continue to dip their toes into both EV and Hydrogen, and continue to refine all their ICE vehicles into Hybrids with incredible gas mileage of 45+ MPG. Ice vehicles will be with us well into the 2050’s, as will the Gas Stations that fill them. Over 20 million cars have been produced in the first three months of 2023 in the world, with ICE being 90+ percent of them. It is very common for Toyota’s to clock 250 thousand miles on the odometer before being “retired/scrapped”, and the average car is raking up 12,000 miles per year, therefor a Toyota ICE or Hybrid bought today, or even up to 2030 will still require a “vintage” gas station to fill with petrol well into the 2050/2060’s! Gas Stations as we know them will be around well into the 2100’s. They will just slowly convert to bi or tri fuel dispensaries, Petrol/Charging stations/Hydrogen, and remember, all autos need service, which many stations provide. We are another generation of battery evolution away (Lithium Ion is not long term) from cells that provide the proper distance, or ability to withstand cold weather and high heat. Aluminum/Silicon looks promising as it overcomes the negatives of Lithium Ion, and our planet has lots of Aluminum and Silicon deposits, so extremely cheap to produce. Tesla is one step away from disruption, though i cannot prognosticate by whom. One last point, and that is Electron’s. You know it as electricity which in most power-plants worldwide run on natural gas to produce said electricity. Depending on the region or country, small percents are from nuclear reactors (which are quickly falling out of favor, Switzerland is closing ALL of their reactors, zero US reactors have been built in the USA in the last quarter century and elsewhere in the third world are non existent) Coal plants, Hydroelectric, Wind Turbines, Solar plants and Methane plants where our old garbage dumps are. Natural gas is the number one fuel to create electrons by a far margin as it is the cleanest most available fuel. Nuclear is number two, very efficient but volatile, and dangerous (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukishama come to mind) and the problem of where and how to store spent fuel rods (remember Yucca Mountain). Oil and coal together produce 50% of all Electrons on earth😢. Green energy is a joke at best in regards to percentage of electron creation, Solar cells are too inefficient, and Wind farms are too expensive per watt hour. Remember this as you complain about how long your Tesla takes to charge. You are still causing climate change! Till i am dead and long gone, i will just turtle around in my recent Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, and not give an ear to the Media Analists decrying about the “race to end ICE or the world will fall apart” nonsense! And I will do it at 42 MPG! So I am not worried about Toyota in the long term, my 2 cents…
[Oil and coal together produce 50% of all Electrons on earth😢.] The World is now at about 85% on Fossil Fuels Generations of Electric Powers. China the most Polluted Nation with 85% on Coals and Heavy Oils Electric Powers USA ─ 71-75% on Fossil Fuels ─ depending on what kind of Weather that Generated Wind Turbine and Solar Energy, like California, this Winter/Spring with lot of Snow the Generations reduced substantially; and besides, California only generated 69% of Cali Electric Powers, Imported 31% and also depending on how those others States that Cali imported ─ how the Weather will make up the Percentage of Fossil Fuel vs. other Sources. Canada is 80% on Fossil Fuels Someone told us about Euro Zone, we/I don't know of hand the Percentages. Asia, mostly small land-parcel Countries, short Highways ─ not like China, USA or Canada and Australia. Asians can afford to buy short-range BEV but the Cost is out of their Touches. No comment on South/Latin Americas. And the Notion that BEV are Neutral or Net Zero Emission is a tale and Web of Lies from Elon-gates. To Mine all Metals needed for Manufacturing 🔋 🔋 required/require Petroleum (Oil & Gas); the extra-waste of Weights on the BEV's ─ average about 1000 lbs. heavier than an ICE. There the extra pollutions' that BEV produce. Manufacturing BEV now is about 140% polluted than an ICE ─ Metals Chassis (that is not including 🔋 🔋). When there will be even 25% BEV out of 100% (70% ICE and others) ─ An exponential Curve of Electric Powers Needed for Charging those 25% BEV, Electrical Grids will face more Powers Losses ─ More High-Voltage Powerlines will be needed; it is not a Simple Arithmetic Function of Supplied Powers but rather a Logarithmic Function. To other Point from you, Nuclear power ⚛ ⚛ Fission Reactions are dangerous, Fukushima was a case of exceptional incidence; the Diesel-powered Generator Built to cool down the Over-core of ⚛ ⚛ Chambers were designed with no vision of Tsunami Flooding that Flooded the Diesel Generator. The Japanese has fixed the Problem but could not regain Confidence in public about Atomic Powers. Fusion ⚛ ⚛ Reaction might be at the high of "know-how" Technology that can be used to generated Huge "uncontrolled" heat for Separations of Seawater into Hydrogen, Oxygen for Hospitals and Table-Salt for Cooking or other Industrial Uses. About Hydrogen Cells, Canada, Quebec Province and Manitoba have plenty of Hydro-electric Powers that could be used for both LNG and Hydrogen Cells Manufacturing's. In cold climate Zones like Canada and Alaska, the mileage on ICE is not reduced, in some cases, due to Coldness, the Engines are cooler and the Thermostats of special Designs by Toyota that bring heats to Vehicles' Chambers have been very effective. On the other hand, when the BEV like Teslas, on Temp of Minus 28°C and Keep Room Temp in Vehicles at 25° would cut down the Range of an BEV to 40% or Theoretical Ranges. The rest is history. Cheers,
I think you're right. I don't see ICE going away anytime soon, but, I expect to see a lot more high performance Hybrids on the road, before EV even comes close to taking over, relegating ICE to history. The main market driver will be cost. If EV's are less expensive per mile than combustion, that's when they will gain market penetration. The Hybrid Vs BEV battle will rage on for decades to come. It's all about resource availability.
I am one of the last in this world to embrace an EV. I am from India, and my toyota corolla altis petrol is going as brand new after 136000 kms. My other car, the humble Tata indica, clocked 175000 kms in semi-offroad conditions and still going okay, still getting 24 kms per litter of Sub graded diesel. I just want to live like that for rest of my life!
I think those that pivot towards full electric philosophy in the immediacy are the entitled and wealthy persons... their situational circumstances and worldview enable their adoption feasible. For many people living around the world where survivability is still a struggle, their reality is much different.
For those in stormy areas or places where you might have to evacuate just be sure to carry extra batteries with you when leaving. Or don’t live in those places just wait until climate gets fixed to move back
I don't understand the logic there. Whether you're running on electricity or whether you're running on gasoline, it all depends on how much fuel you have in the car when the disaster strikes. Because you're not going to be able to get gasoline if the electricity is off.
Yes, those Top 5 countries might all have lots of people who own EVs but they are those people's second cars. Their main car or their big car is a diesel usually, set up for 4x4 or at least off the bitumen, camping or driving long distances. It will be a very long time before EV charging stations are found in the bush! I don't much like EVs because I can't charge it in the bush. I still have my first and only 4x4, a 1988 HJ75 cab/chassis (ute). It serves me very well towing quite a large trailer for work and then being more than suitable for weekend 4x4 stuff. I will be one of those who still owns an old veteran or vintage car when I finally give up driving, I guess in about 20yrs time, since I am already 67. So I am glad my favourite car company has my interests at heart. Feels good to be on the right side for a change.
EVs have HIGH pollution pushed out by higher prices and subsidies which are "of course" generated elsewhere. These are deliberately never in the CO2 comparisons.
With CA's recent ruling on diesel truck sales, it can help to boost hydrogen. I think Toyota's more or less on the right track, and I'd love to see hydrogen powering our vehicles and homes in the future.
Yes. And you payed 15 Dollar for 2.2 Pounds h2 to drive 62.x miles? And the other cost such as inspections and repairs? For Toyota is they industry important, not was the customer pays at the end for they products. For me is the EV the future for driving an h2 for Energy for the industry and in the homes.
Hydrogen cars makes no sense...yet. There is no readily available supply of it. You have to make it, which is energy intensive and inefficient when you could just take that same energy and just put it an EV. Until science solves that problem of mass production of Hydrogen, it's not viable.
@@alexander_fromm yeah sure, but what you do after 10-15 years when you must change the battery witch is verry damn expensive sooo, yeahhh good luck with that :)
Hybrid is a good solution now, especially if you take road trips! It is the best balance. The infrastructure is not in place to handle a huge switch to EV -- California is a great example. There is the right tool for the job, so there is not one vehicle that will do the job, (there are many types of hammers depending upon the job you are undertaking).
@@chefgav1 It takes 450,000 miles to break even at $3.30 per gallon. Of course it never breaks even because the battery lasts about 150,000 miles. BTW , my son picked up a Tesla Model 3 that uses $2.70 per 100 miles compared to a Prius at $7.00 .
I recently saw a video of a prototype of an EV that has a range of 900 miles, however it was a three wheeled light test vehicle. I do think Toyota could go electric if and when necessary, but is wisely keeping it close to the vest and waiting for how much buyers show interest in a car that isn't really cost effective or using green energy as electricity uses fossil fuels to be produced, and cobalt is being mined by children in Africa for the batteries, which are prohibitively expensive when replaced.
Yes, I own a dynamic force rav 4 engine, gas engine and my wife and I love it. 4cy Toyota engines are awesome. I own a 2013 Corolla Corolla and a 2019 rav 4 and yes they are awesome vehicles.
Hydrogen cars makes no sense...yet. There is no readily available supply of it. You have to make it, which is energy intensive and inefficient when you could just take that same energy and just put it an EV. Until science solves that problem of mass production of Hydrogen, it's not viable.
I'll say Toyota is making the right move, staying with ICEs as their major power plant rather than jump on the latest BEV trend like all the other car companies. FWIW Toyota does have hydrogen fuel cell cars on the road here in California (I believe Mercedes Benz & Hyundai do too, but in smaller numbers). You can lease one from a local Toyota dealer, and the auto makers, State of California, and a few oil companies(!) have teamed up to develop H2 fueling stations around the state. Toyota's gaining practical experience with H2 vehicles while everyone else just jumps on the battery powered trend and hoping it will be sustainable.
I have only a few family members and friends who had switched to EV's. After 4-5 years of ownership most are likely to go back to ICE vehicles when their EV finally reaches end of life.
Such a great video. Informative and entertaining. Gives me more hope for the future. A company that thinks and makes great products. I love my Lexus, I am so glad I am part of the Toyota family.
I think biggest mistake is in the thinking that electric vehicles are somehow making a difference in climate change and the environment. China built more new coal fired power plants in 1 year than the USA and Europe have total in operation. They also opened more new coal mines in 1 year than the USA has total in operation and the UK closed the last coal mine in operation. While the USA and Europe winds everything down, China and India is ramping up
I feel that Toyota have proven themselves to be a highly conscientious organisation when it comes to looking after their customers. We have a Toyota Corolla Verso for many years and got a recall which said something like: If the vehicle has been traveling uphill in a low gear for more than 10 minutes a warning light might come on!😅
I personally love Mazda vehicles. Even though they have the MX30 EV. I couldn't justify its lack of range and practicality. I went with the CX30. I think Toyota and Mazda have shared a mindset on the EV matter. I love the look and feel of the CX30. It seemed like a great car to me.
In the northern half of Alberta and prairies in the south, towns can be as much as an hour apart or more. When it’s 30 below, EV’s range is drastically reduced. Impractical and dangerous. Freezing to death with a dead battery in the middle of nowhere is the possibility that keeps us moving with gas and diesel.
Maybe stick a charge station in between, like you would a gas station, weird idea right?Maybe we should improve EV's so that they are viable for such trips, weird idea right?
@@Drownedinblood Charging stations every hour is viable if a road is well travelled, but when it's minus 30 or 40 or even colder the range is cut in half, still doubling the cost per mile to operate the vehicle. And in parts of the country where there's NOTHING, and not heavy traffic the charge stations every hour would never get enough use to make pay for themselves. We're stuck on fossil fuels for a while, till battery technology improves.
@@tonyocoffey5175 So by your own account you are a very special niche case and should not effect the rest of the world which live in areas where EV's would be practical from moving to them and having infrastructure built for them. Also...think about getting a railroad..
EVs competes with cellphones, computers, all other gadgets that all run on electricity for, well electricity. Compared to 30 years ago, each person consumes so much more electricity through their gadgets and what not. Renewable electricity is still expensive, and the cost of bolstering electrical grid infrastructure will be a burden on electric bills for the forseeable future. On the other hand, the more people move to evs, the demand for gas will fall, and petroleum infrastructure already exists ubiquitously both up and down stream (extraction - refinement - gas stations). Not only do I think Toyota's decision is well balanced, I think it provides a kind of safety net for the rest of society - not all eggs in the electricity dependent basket.
I think it's not economically viable to entirely pivot to full EV, I would have been shocked if the story was the opposite. I do think Toyota is the one to look out for in terms of who could be the clear number two in the EV field.
Pretty much every major manufacturer is pivoting to full EV, Toyota has backed a loser in hydrogen, and they are so far behind in EVs that they will be lucky to make top 5. Battery tech is advancing in huge leaps in both cost and performance, meaning that soon EVs will be not just cheaper to run but also cheaper to buy. And once that happens, why would you want a new ICE?
@@gibbonsdp You perhaps don't realize it takes about 500,000 ton's of excavated material to get enough rare earth materials for a single EV's battery, this is all done with fossil fuel burning equipment. Not to mention the materials in the battery is hazardous to the environment. The power grid is also largely still powered with fossil fuels which charges these cars. Look into it, Lithium battery powered cars are not as environmentally friendly as you think they are. Battery tech needs to advance a lot further and a lot more friendly to the environment to make it a feasible long term solution. Hydrogen is a viable alternative as Hydrogen is the most abundant thing on earth, its literally contained in every water molecule even. Lithium is a rare earth material which before the EV boom was expected to be depleted worldwide in a couple hundred years.
@@gibbonsdp Behind? They led the way with the Prius in 1997. They were way ahead of the curve. I guarantee if the demand is there, Toyota will lead the way again.
@@ziggywigg Being ahead of the curve is no guarantee of success. In 1997 Tesla hadn't been born. Last year Tesla sold 1.3m BEVs and Toyota sold - 38,000. So yes, Toyota is behind in BEVs. Behind almost every other major manufacturer, and way, way behind Tesla.
@@gibbonsdp Toyota Camry is the best selling car in the US. Toyota dominates the world auto market. If that's behind the curve, then I'm sure they're okay with that honor. Their job is selling cars. By the way, you should look up the inventories of EV's Ford currently has. They can't give them away and the reason TESLA is doing good now is because of their price cuts. Do you honestly believe an average American can afford a TESLA?
EV's and plug in hybrids are great for city short commute driving. I just bought a Rav4 hybrid. It will take at least 3 years for the savings in gas to pay for the added up front expense. Assuming that it lasts at least 10 years it will be a good investment. Since it has a range of almost 600 miles on a tank of gas I can go anywhere. You cannot do that with an EV.
We have a hybrid rav4 too. I have had Toyotas my entire life so over 20 years! Now have a sienna too! Before 2019 I had a 2004 corolla and avalon and the only reason we had to buy new was a house fire blew them up(not the cars fault)! So that's 15 years each of those lasted and ran great! Hopefully the hybrid rav4 is just as good as those!
I personally love the idea of experimenting with an electric car, but I agree: The world will not be ready by 2030. And if I do get an EV, it will probably be a secondary car, because range anxiety is still a thing. And I also prefer to have a choice
I’m not opposed to EVs per se but I find it idiotic to rush into forcing the public to switch when we do not have an energy infrastructure to support these expensive battery operated cars. Huge solar farms and windmills are not going to do the job.
A diverse powertrain portfolio is what is needed in this changing and fluid market. Going all in is a short sighted strategy without having an escape plan.
The writing is on the wall. Toyota waiting for Japanese innovation to put EV's in their place is like a squirrel waiting for an oak tree to grow so it can have all the acorns. By the time the oak tree grows tall enough to produce the acorns the squirrel will have died of starvation.
You all may be right but I think the answer for a lot of people is the hybrid. No worries at all. I kinda think people view moving to the EV as the natural progression. What's the rush? Being the first on your block? There really can't be any other good reason for it that I can see.
It's early in the EV game, and the natural tendency of the Japanese to study and wait is at play here. Billions are being invested in lithium refining and production, but will that be the ideal electrical storage 5-10-15 years from now? BYD just announced a whole different battery chemistry for a future vehicle. With it's various problems and rare earth material needs, it's hard to imagine lithium is the best we're gonna do. Toyota will lose little in waiting that out before acting.
There are no rare earth minerals in a lithium ion battery. They are in some of the motors of some EV's, but mostly in catalytic converters of ICE vehicles, consumer and other electronics, weapon systems and ammunition, aerospace applications, etc.
I believe if any car company steps 20 years back and manufacture the simpliest car with absolute minimum electronics they will win a huge market for themselves.
Russian Lada Niva - no electronics, no cameras, no ABS, no airbag...
what's the matter with something like the Stanley steamer with modern technology?
@@MichalKaczorowski Yes , I had it and was reasonably happy. Same with Trabant as the simplest, Skoda 120 or Ziguli.
Very similar to what Dacia is doing. they are selling the cheapest ICE vehicle for around £13k. the cheapest EV is the MG4, which starts at £26k, double the price. The poorest and less-well off are being forced out of the market.
@@rok1475 all modern engines are "computer controlled" lol. did you think he meant carburetors? Even carbed motors use CD ignitions and most are digital. Its the injection systems that largely control emissions aka how efficiently they can burn fuel. modern engines are so clean it will make little difference switching to an EV that uses much more fossil fuel to manufacture in the 1st place.
I can say this for myself, I’m not ready for an EV and if it’s for gas mileage, a hybrid makes a lot more sense than an EV
You will Forever be a slave of the Gas Pump,buying gasoline at inflated prices...
@@magallon643 make an EV for $25,000 then.
@@magallon643 energy is energy bud , be it from a drop of liquid or electrons , make no mistake, if and when the time ever comes that EV'S dominate the car market, you will absolutely without any doubt be paying similar costs or more , for a start EV infrastructure has massive cost , secondly, the taxes governments around the world no longer get in petroleum will then have to be made up from ev owners in other ways.
Evs do have some good points, but they also have bad points, they are very heavy , they suck underload , they are still very expensive, they still require masses of rare earth raw materials, and battery technology so far still sucks.
@@1792dt Mark my Words in a few more years cheaper Ev's are gonna be everywhere literally even Baby's are gonna be driving Ev,don't you know how new Technology is when the First Cell phones came out in the 90's the Cost was like $10,000 to buy one and at $45dls a minute,Remember also the first Plama TV at $15,000 dls,you understand where I'm going you see Once the Economy of Scale gets into production every new tech gets cheap,no matter what by the way you can actually buy a brand new Ev right now the 2023 Chevy Bolt Ev just drop on price to $26,000 dls Minus $7500 dls ev incentive comes out to $18,500 dls plus tax license And Fees.
@@mikldude9376 some of your points your are right yea I give you that,I notice you sed they are still expensive and it's true but that's not the Manufacturer Fault,it's the dealer Fault you see those people know once you buy an Ev you're never going back for service for the foreseeable future,since Ev have almost no maintenance and for that reason they are trying to Rob you in the purchase price.
As an all Toyota owner, I now have even more respect for Toyota.
until they get banned
@@hendrxNot happening
@@andresvalentin6924 it's already scheduled in Europe
@@hendrxeuropean legislators are always talking dream fairitales. That's been the norm for the past 40 years. They fix super ambitious and strict goals and then they realise it's not fezabile and start taking their words back. Super annoying
I don't see to many Tundra on the road here in Fredericton. My dad had a Toyota car, one truck that was a 78 Toyota landcruiser with the bumper sticking out a half a foot from the front of the truck. Diesel Toyota SR5 truck in 1980-81.
After 230,000 miles, my 2003 Toyota Tacoma pre-runner 2WD IS STILL GOING STRONG! EVs will never catch up to it.
Are you sure you don't want to get something with 75 miles real life motorway range and a $30k battery replacement every 8 years or so? 🤣
@@DigiDriftZone That also uses brutal mining methods and increases water scarcity?
People said the same thing when the internet came out. “Oh but newspapers are so much better”. When the world changes you have to change along with it
@@jimhalpert0 Poor argument. There is no comparison from the Internet to a vehicle that you physically drive.
@@jimhalpert0 EVs have significant logistical issues, we don't even know if there's enough cobalt to replace the vehicle market by the time EVs are dominant. Add in that COVID has made many countries skeptical of overseas supply chains (period), and EVs have a less certain future than most of their advocates would admit.
They are smart. Not saying they won't make evs, just saying they will make both and let the consumer decide. Either way they win
No they will not win,if you statement has any truth how come Kodak went out of bussines,along with Blockbuster those companies fail to adapt and Fail.
@@magallon643 Kodak and blockbuster lost because the competition was superior. Evs are still very impractical for many use case scenarios. When evs become better, longer range, quicker and more available recharging, better towing, better cold weather performance, then more people will switch. No ev currently made will meet my usage needs.
@@howebrad4601 I own my Ev for over 6 years, can you believe I haven't visited a Gas Station in that long,let me tell you because apparently literally none of those issues you mention are a problem for me as most people also,you may drive 300 miles a day but I'm not Ev's only have less than 20 moving parts compared to 2000,00 of a Gas Car,there's Ev's right know with 400 miles per charge,no maintenance either no more oil changes ever again or spark plugs,Evs don't leave stranded in the Cold there's tons of videos of Teslas working in Minus 35 F° wheater,when we travel at some point you're gonna need to take a brake almost nobody drives 400 Miles without taking a bathroom brake or Coffe brake,so your Stops are made at the Super charger FYI its only less than 20 Minutes with the latest Supercharger,I was like you once by the way I took the plunge years ago and never look back,if a semi ever Totals my car I Will buy a new Electric car again,I don't think I can't get used to paying $5dls per gallon again.
@@howebrad4601 Just buy a diesel generator set and put it in the back of your EV truck.... LoL
@@howebrad4601 My sentiments exactly. I live in the Colorado mountains where we get a lot of snow. Last November I bought a Chevrolet Bolt EUV. The Bolt didn’t work for me, so a month ago I traded the Bolt in for a Subaru Forester that gets me through the snow and I don’t have range anxiety anymore.
From Vancouver Canada, I live in an apartment, strata hired an electrician to look at our underground parking to install chargers for EV. Was told our 20 yr old building wiring cannot handle extra electrical demand. So nobody in our building with 42 units can buy an EV. Currently our building has 1 plug in hybrid and if someone else plug in a pressure washer or something, it will blow a fuse and half the underground lights will go out. Toyota is smart for not going full EV yet. I just bought a 2023 Toyota Corolla LE Hybrid AWD, the perfect car for now.
Jesus. Just ask Chinese construction company to fix that power supply voltage issue so you can live in 21 century 😅
Do you fill up your gas car at your apartment currently? Exactly, you don't and that's the purpose of the charging infrastructure that is being built, but of course that will take some time. Home charging is not the real solution, just a stopgap. It's not reasonable for every home and apartment building to have EV charging. It's a huge mistake by car companies to use home charging as the main selling point of EVs.
That’s a building problem, not a BEV problem. Your reasoning is: I live in a crappy building, therefore I need to buy a crappy car. I don’t recommend reasoning that way…
from CANADA. THE WEATHER. -20 , -40 ICE AND SNOW ROAD ( VERY HARD FOR BATTERY ????)
@@cuongphan2020 Vancouver is not that cold, but we get -25°C in Ontario and it’s fine. Better than with an engine actually, which sometimes fails to start in the cold because… (irony) of the 12V battery! Haha yes the low voltage battery in an EV doesn’t need huge power output like in a gas or diesel vehicle, because there is no engine to start.
Australia’s highest selling vehicle last year was Toyota hilux 4x4 over 20% of sales. They know their market.
THE WORLDS highest selling vehicle this year is the Tesla Model Y.
They don't even sell those where I live in America
@@Mabeylater293 Tesla still are not the solution you have to pay way too much to charge them take way too long to charge then and you have to wait in line an hour if you live in California
That was what was said about the world top seller the Corolla, now the Telsa Model Y is No1 seller.
@@jessed6379 Hi-Lux also top seller in South Africa. Toyota's main reason for good sales is their very good after sales service here. They have no nonsense warranty, unlike other manufacturers that try and get out of warranty repairs. But I think Toyota is going to come close to bankruptcy if they do not switch quickly to EV's.
As a Toyota 4runner owner, this makes me very glad to hear. Toyota has even more of my respect to go a different way. I'd much rather own a Hydrogen powered vehicle down the road. Otherwise, I'm sticking to conventional fuel motor.
well the solution is renewable alcohol to replace gasoline since gasoline is a fossil fuel and that is why it's bad for climate problems ev's are not renewable since fossil fuels still power the mining of the materials for making their battery's simple
@@raven4k998there isn't enough arable land to produce crops for fermentation. These crops need fertilisers which are energy dense chemicals.
I akso have same thought .. I m sticking to my gas car until.. Hydrogen powered car will hit d market
This choice Toytota makes could very well bankrupt them. It's a 100% Nokia moment IMO.
@@Anu_Outdoors you'll be waiting a long time.
I happen to work at a Toyota plant in Canada where we build gas and hybrid models. I believe they are making a great decision. Although they can’t publicly say it because of geopolitics, their leadership knows that the EV narrative, along with its lofty goals, is most likely not achievable
Precisely what is an "EV narrative? Carmakers don't make narratives, they make cars.
Toyota is gambling that hydrogen powered vehicles will capture a significant portion of the worldwide car market. But if they are the only major carmaker making hydrogen vehicles then they are bound to fail. There simply won't be enough hydrogen powered cars to support the necessary infrastructure to sustain that as an alternative. There are already more than 20 million EVs on the roads and 1 out every 7 new cars sold is an EV. Most major carmakers have already said that they will stop making gas powered cars in the next 15 years. EVs are the future of personal transportation, there is no doubt of that.
My understanding of EV vehicles is that they are dirtier that gas until about 60k to 65k. Not a game changer at all.
@@damianketcham On what evidence are you basing that conclusion? And how are calculating the "dirtiness" of an EV compared to a car with an internal combustion engine?
If we are talking solely about the environmental effects of driving the 2 types of vehicles, then the EV is undeniably cleaner. According to research from MIT: "Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, the Department of Energy found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO2 equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles." That figure is true for every mile driven. Even if your claim was true, it would mean that the EV is 250% cleaner as most cars are driven at least 200,000 miles before they are junked.
@@stevenweikert7062
Your not factoring in the battery replacement. Your battery will lose efficiency over time and the battery will need to be replaced at the very least once if not twice or more to reach 200,000 miles.
Rare earths don’t come for free and I wonder if MIT factored that in.
Edit: SAE and C&D did a study that showed ICVs meet or exceed efficiency claims EV real world efficiencies fall short by 12.7%.
I’m not trying to promote one over the other but a real world approach needs to be advanced. Not politics . I personally drive a hybrid because a high efficiency seems to be maintained.
@@damianketcham According to Car & Driver: "All EVs sold today include a battery warranty of at least eight years and 100,000 miles. Tesla, for instance, offers an eight-year battery warranty and coverage of between 100,000-150,000 miles depending on the specific model.
This warranty doesn't only cover the complete failure of the battery pack, it also serves as a guarantee against serious degradation.
The U.S. Department of Energy, meanwhile, predicts today's EV batteries * ought to last a good deal past their warranty period, with these packs' service lives clocking in at between 12 and 15 years if used in moderate climates *. Plan on a service life of between 8 and 12 years if your EV is regularly used in more extreme conditions."
The rare earth materials in lithium ion batteries are recyclable. More modern EVs using sodium ion - which will be widely available at the end of 2023- don't need rare earth minerals at all.
“Give people a choice.”
Good idea.
Not if you are Toyota. The future is electric, they are too far behind and it will cost them big time.
Wow you’re amazing. I wish I knew the future.
@@thewatcher5822 your wrong, and that’s ok.
ICE vehicles will be the majority for at least the next 50 years.
Until they can charge in 2 minutes and get 800km range EVs can eat a fat one. Very impractical unless you are wealthy, retired, and don't go far. Hydrogen is the future IF ICE vehicles are replaced.
that's what's happening....and they are making a choice that Toyota isn't going to be happy with.
Governments that attempt to 'Force' the market in one direction or another always miss both the unintended consequences, and fail to grasp that customers want what they want, not what government tells them to want.
"there are no solutions, only trade offs"
Thomas Sowell
Governments can not dictate, but that never stops them from trying. The EV fad is going to go down as one the the biggest WTF were you thinking in world history.
EV's certainly have their place but an entire EV fleet isn't practical. The power grid isn't ready for it, and the roads aren't designed for the extra weight and neither are the bridges. I just saw a video out of China that shows huge fields of EV cars just sitting there rotting, all brand new all just to fill a quota. It was compared to the bicycle rental Ponzi there a few years back. And just for some perspective
In his report titled “Mines, Minerals and Green Energy: A Reality Check”, Mills finds that a lithium electric vehicle battery weighs about 1000 pounds.
Such a battery typically contains about 25 pounds of lithium, 30 pounds of cobalt, 60 pounds of nickel, 110 pounds of graphite, 90 pounds of copper, about 400 pounds of steel, aluminium, and various plastic components.
From these figures and average ore grades, one can estimate the typical quantity of rock that must be extracted from the earth and processed to yield the pure minerals required to produce an electric vehicle battery.
Lithium brines typically contain less than 0.1 percent lithium, meaning some 25,000 pounds of brines to get the 25 pounds of pure lithium. Similarly cobalt ore grades average about 0.1 percent, nearly 30,000 pounds of ore per battery. Nickel ore grades average about 1 percent, thus about 6000 pounds of ore per battery. Graphite ore is typically 10 per cent, thus about 1,000 pounds per battery. Copper at about 0.6 percent in the ore, thus about 25,000 pounds of ore per battery.
In total then, acquiring just these five elements to produce the 1000-pound EV battery requires mining about 90,000 pounds (over 40 tonnes) of ore.
It only gets worse.
When accounting for all the earth moved (i.e. the materials first dug up to get to the ore), one battery requires digging and moving between 200,000 and 1,500,000 pounds (or between 90 and 680 tonnes) of earth per battery.
Note these figures don’t include the vast quantity of materials and chemicals used to process and refine all the various ores.
And we have no idea what what environmental damage is yet to come with millions of batteries piling up in landfills. Guess who's going to pay for that?
Agreed, but someone has to make those choices for us ignorant peons.
@@bobhosler2024 That's what "They" think.
By that logic you would still drive leaded gasoline drive deathtraps, cretin
So... we should be riding horses still.
Government: Power grids are struggling all over the country. Quick, let's try to make everyone use way more electricity!
Every single F-150 redhead has said that and is completely false (atleast for first world nations).
Its the cost of building the vehicle thats the problem.
When you complain about EV's use the real problems of a EV and not "LIThIuM mINe pOLlUTiOn"
And "mOrE pOLutAvE cUz tHE eLEcTrIc gRiD is 999% cOAl"
The problems of the EV is that it doesn't really solve the pollution problem of cars and the road accident deaths across the world and its like those Enviormentally friendly trends that don't actually solve the problem in a worldwide perspective.
The true solution is public transit and biking
Lol, where do you get your data?
Also, any electronic supply problem is easily solvable, while any gasoline distribution problems generate huge disruptions.
EV is the future. You can combat that statement all you like, but Toyota is doing this because of people that will not embrace the future
Electric Vehicles,Bicycle Lanes,& yes even roadway circles that were eliminated
at least in America in the 1950's are back.
Lets see --a constant CRT,Racial Problems,Protests,Dividing People & more.
All just to groom & dub down people & brainwash socialites into a New World
Order, what ever that is.
Basically ruin the world so a few wealthy control everything as China moves
in to rule.
@@miloszivkovichelectrical supply easily fixable?
Solar is cost prohibitive
Hydro is area restricted
Wind is cost and area restricted.
Regardless, you still have to TAX people more who are already struggling to make ends meet with current bills.
Do you know what an average electricity bill will cost here in Texas in a slightly older home needing renovations? Easily can cost $300-700. During summer/winter. While you or I might able to afford that amongst renovations… good luck think others will. EVs are doomed not cause it’s not good tech…. It’s because you all failed to realize you are leaving society behind and are expecting people to just kneel over and buy anything
@@Texarmageddonnot to mention the infrastructure to upgrade from transformers to transmission lines to substation power - as an electrical engineer with power station knowledge the idea of all electric future is a joke - in order for the utilities to make these kinds of upgrades will take many years and billions if not trillions of dollars in cost which they will pass to customers
My first Asian car was a new Toyota CORONA, one of the best cars I ever owned. My brother was so impressed with my Corona, he went out and bought a Toyota Crown. Two of the best cars we ever owned!
I think the Crown, at least in estate version, came with a fridge in the back & that was around 1972.
I am sorry, Toyota Corona? If Toyota is going to make beer 🍺 count me in. 😂
Toyota 🧸 Corolla. ❤❤
Toyota make the best cars in the world.
@@BlueDroneBlues 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Something I never see mentioned is the fact that many drivers in EV-friendly countries won't get an EV because they can't charge them at home; apt's, condo's, etc.
Definitely! A lot of people have on-street parking or park in garages that have no provisions for charging. I rent a basement suite and currently have no ability to charge a vehicle at home. Governments need to make charging services mandatory in all new building construction if they think they're going to have mass adoption in the amount of time they're pushing for.
@Nomen Clature Yep, and I'm guessing it's a pretty large demographic.
Not to mention, the source of electricity used to power these EV's in the first place is mostly through Oil and Coal. Kinda pointless imo.
@@PokeNachos That’s the elephant in the room, for sure.
Henry Ford's wife drove a "Detroit Electric" 110 years ago. Clean,easy, but ultimately impractable. Ford knew it then as Mr. Toyota does now.
Nice to see that some companies still use common sense… Bravo Toyota! 🎉 My next car will now DEFINITELY be a Toyota.
You won’t be disappointed. We have a ‘13 sienna with 230,000 miles. It still runs like a dream. My goal is to hit 400,000
Toyota and Tesla are the only two automotive brands that make any sense. Tesla is playing their game and Toyota is playing there’s. It’s embarrassing to see a Ford motor company chase Tesla.
Just no left wing business pressuring them thats why
I wouldn't touch a tesla with a 10 foot pole.
Had my Corolla for ten years. Not only the best car I've ever had, but one of the best things I've ever had overall. Still rock solid and tight as a drum.
I fully trust toyota in letting the customer decide, the world has gone nuts with these crazy ev targets
Toyota don't even trust themselves nowadays LOL
customer has no right to decide, see.
Check the news right now...we should've been been nuts with EV's a long time ago...
Toyota has been making hybrids for 25 years, but they only make up 10% or so of sales. The customer has decided, they don't want hybrids.
Cars are not the biggest polluters in the world, your little SUV wont make much of a difference to climate change. In fact the EV manufacturing process and battery disposal are way dirtier and more toxic than the combustion engine.
When things dont add up, start subtracting.
I’ve had a lot of cars and trucks in my 66years and now I must say Toyota is by far the best automobile I have owned…
I'm 69 and say the same thing, I have an Avalon now and love it
Agree but o don’t have that many years on me.
That is correct, Toyota statistically has the fewest problems with their cars on the road.
By any chance the toyota is the newest car with the latest technology you own? Its like apple saying, this years iphone is the fastest iphone we have build so far.....
100k miles? That's just the break in period! You can pry my Tundra from my cold dead hands. :)
Imagine what could possibly go wrong when governments want to force the entire world to take a shot into a specific product, not tested on a long-term and funded by them?
Imagine finding out that its been tested long term! Wow
On the Gullible
@@yesedimagine thinking your doing something for the environment by buying a ev
You mean the Vaccine?? HaHa, same ? ,racing in without enough testing, research
@@yesed dumb person spotted hahaha poor
The problem of EV in Asia is particularly problematic. Thailand recently had a huge influx of Chinese-made EVs. Propelling the country to be the top consumer of EV in ASEAN. However, total sales is still far less than traditional manufacturers like Toyota and Honda. It is the same situation across South East Asia. Issues like battery overheating, extremely expensive battery replacement and virtually none existent charging infrastructure is key. Most customers opt out and go for hybrids or pure ICE. To own an EV, you’d have to be earning quite nicely, which most customers do not. For those customers, value is more important. That’s why Toyota is still not going full EV.
There is NO climate Crisis
Now imagine you can use the aircon without having to leave the engine on. That is priceless in SEA
Hahaha… Overheating batteries, replacing batteries, what rubbish do you read? No charging infrastructure? Last time I looked they had electricity to practically every home and business. Any plug will charge an EV, not to mention adding your own solar and making your own ‘fuel’. Not so easy to drill and refine your own oil…
@@davebway6371 oh boy.... I am in bkk, no charging station anywhere I go in my area and the electricity bill is already high for normal people, let alone when this abyss of energy aka ev will be prevalent - which will never be... especially here in ASEAN where having motorbike is crucial for daily life and those who are not comfortable will use car - all that will be powered by conventional engines, ev is just a fad which only hides its dirtiness in the coal power plant.... it is all just terrible idea pampered by fools
Add cold weather and range as found in North America and it’s a deal breaker.
While EVs have the potential to be more sustainable, it’s important to consider the entire lifecycle of a vehicle and the energy sources used to charge it and produce its batteries. I believe Toyota is taking a responsible approach to our environmental well-being and acknowledging the impact of manufacturing on our planet. In the past, people used to keep their cars for as long as they ran.
Can you define "sustainable" in some way other than by a slogan. I'm not aware of anything in the natural universe that is "sustainable" since all is constantly changing or being outright destroyed. Even the earth and the sun are "unsustainable" the human race and all that live on the planet are all on a short journey. Sustainable sounds more like the idea of a "heaven" where nothing perishes or is consumed, as such I think this word is a religious concept having nothing to do with the real world.
"Sustainability" in the context of the natural world isn't about eternal stasis; rather, it's about striving for systems and practices that allow life to flourish in harmony with the ever-changing and dynamic universe. It's an aspiration to minimize the negative impacts and enhance the regenerative potential of our actions, recognizing that all things change but aiming to ensure that life's journey continues in a more balanced and resilient manner on our planet. While the concept may carry shades of an idealized "heaven," it is fundamentally grounded in our responsibility to steward our world wisely, acknowledging the realities of change and seeking to make them as gentle as possible for the benefit of all life.✌️
@@gilbertocharpentier6391 *RE: " It's an aspiration to minimize the negative impacts and enhance the regenerative potential of our actions, recognizing that all things change but aiming to ensure that life's journey continues in a more balanced and resilient manner on our planet. "*
In other words its an aspiration to "de-governmentize" the planet. Can anyone imagine a more destructive force to harmony and resilience than the iron hammer of government force. One look at the rot and filth in big government controlled cities should confirm this. Government education has wrought only endemic hopelessness, purposeless, despair, drug addiction, and death among the young as well as fragility, intolerance, and ignorance among the survivors.
I agree that everyone should strive to keep their nests clean but there are no "global" remedies to a pleasant life. Government does not know what the world gentle means. In terms of unnatural death they are the leading killers of humanity. One only needs to be blithely ignorant of history to doubt this.
All life on Earth is carbon based; it is one of three of the essential atoms (the others being hydrogen and oxygen) to virtually all life on Earth. The substance called carbon dioxide is the limiting factor here being but a tiny fraction of the other essential ingredients of life. This is why it is vanishingly rare as hungry life devours it. If you love life the very last thing one would try to do (thankfully it can't be done) is "decarbonize" the planet.
EVs sustainable? They are not.
I absolutely agree with Toyota’s agenda - and for all the right reasons - including - staying profitable in a tough industry - my next new car will be a gasoline Toyota Corolla 😅
You have to make a profit to stay in business. And the ONLY car companies that will make a profit on every car in 2023 are Tesla and BYD.
@@brucemcintyre295 - As a consumer - thank you Toyota. / But if I were to invest - Toyota has a long and profitable reputation and stock price appreciation - and that says it all - practicality with no hype !
@@shirleycrosner634 Toyota are doomed to lose market share, and will do well to survive the switch to electric. I wouldn't advise anyone invest in legacy auto at this time.
Synthetic E fuels are on the horizon & could keep ICE vehicles on the road.
better buy it soon....
A large portion of taxes comes from fuel. If ev prevail, what do you think the electricity price will be?
Who cares when you have roof top solar as on many roofs in Australia.
@@nickstevens3139 They will tax lithium used to produce your batteries.
Taxes will switch from excises on fuel to registration, property, city usage, etc.
you tell us!
@@nickstevens3139 There's no way rooftop solar charging can ever be that efficient to replace electrical charging, especially in less sunny places.
Finally a reasonable, balanced and intelligent approach. For what it's worth I hope that I never have to buy an electric car.
Education protects against stupidity. You probably also think that a Blackberry is better than a smartphone. You have to go with the times or go with the times
I will never buy an EV either. They're not practical for driving long distances, rely on an already over-burdened electrical grid, and are too expensive to purchase. There's a reason that automobile manufacturers abandoned EV's in the late 1800's.
I'm not against EV's. If they make sense for your lifestyle - go for it. They just don't work for me.
@@AcidGubba "You have to go with the times or go with the times". LOL! Do you mind if I reuse that one?
Maybe we can all go back to horses or coal-powered engines. I don't ever want to buy one of them new-fangled doohickey's that run on scientific liquid
@@AcidGubba EV cars is like inventing what came before ICE cars. ICE cars are better in every way at being a car. You're misunderstanding technological advancements from making things unnecessarily complicated. We're talking about cars not computers. EVs are inferior at being a car than ICE cars.
My Acura Integra had over 450 000 km on it when I sold it. It was still running great, no burning oil no leaking, solid gearbox. Probably still running.
Sticking with hybrids is by far the smarter decision, as these will be a better fit for most people, both for actual use and comfort with planning drives
Problem is hybrids still have traditional engines in them. People switching to EVs are trying to move away from all the maintenance, oil changes, repairs, etc. when you have a traditional engine.
@@snart You think EV don't break down?
With the exception of an engine most any part on an EV car has a relative on a Gas Engine car that breaks.
Now to through a stick in a few spokes, I work for a company that packages car parts for an American automaker.
Want to know how many steering parts we pack because they wear out or break?
Brake lines? Eight different part numbers at our facility and we are one of 17.
And voting for democrats is by far the smarter decision BC the TV people told me to think like that, I always do as I'm told, BC without them, I wouldn't have and opinion of my own.
@@snart a Prius engine is not typical engine. It’s an Atkinson engine.
@@snart how much do you think a replacement EV battery costs? How long do you think it’ll last?
Toyota is being smart to play the long game. They are diversifying the portfolio of their products but waiting for markets to mature as per their own taste. Hence they are the No 1 car company in the world
I live in Brazil, and owning ANY car here is a life achievement for most people. An EV would be a dumb purchase if it was ever possible. A Corolla sells for over 100k, while the mean income is around 3k before taxes.
Wow - 100k for a Corolla - sorry to hear that.
Electric motorcycles or scooters. There are Chinese city cars that sell for $2000
@@stephenrye6474, I have to clarify that it's 100k in our local currency (BRL), but I believe that the stats I gave you are able to nicely convey the idea. Owning a car (licensing, registration, maintenance) is another sad, sad story!
What about two wheelers is it expensive?
Actually a brand new Corolla goes for 170k+ with average income around that 3k. Its really a life achievement to buy anything here other than food.
As the world transist to EV and other alternatives to fuel powered vehicle, Toyota might have a long term strategy not following hype but looking at the numbers critically. Nice video by the way
The world isn't transitioning to EVs. EVs are luxury for most people.
Interesting look considering.. All the former companies that leep hop an fail.
EV's are essentially fossil fueled vehicles with an additional stage of inefficiency (charging) added. Until the world transitions to very large scale nuclear power electrical generation, EV's will just contribute to the problem.
@@Corvard555 They seem to want to make personal transportation a luxury only for the top riches and politicians, pretty much like in North Korea.
So were just going to ignore the fact that they invested heavily into hydrogen vehicles over the years? "might" really stands out in your sentence and I doubt you have any sources for whatever numbers they're "critically" looking at. They have a large sunk cost into hydrogen and in order to save face they have to make it work.
Not an EV fan, I’m starting to warm to Hybrid, but even that took me 15 + years. All I can say, is I love Toyota and I trust in the products they produce and their business strategy. That is why I drive Toyota’s, own stock in the company, but now it looks like I need to invest/ dabble in Hydrogen stocks as well, lol.
I'm a big EV fan. Have had one for four years. I don't need no stinkin' oil!
@@ldfreitas9437 EV is only clean if there's no oil, gas or coal producing electricity for the grid. Or solar or wind turbines either.
True, Hybrid is still better than EV. EV car manufacture use too many rare earth mineral, not very convincing to meet global demand.
Porsche already produce clean synthetic gasoline in Chile but it's expensive rn
@@UnionPacific1997 what is "clean" synthetic gas?
I own a 2015 Toyota Avalon, very smooth yet powerful. I love that car. Especially since 2015 is considered a good year for the Avalon. I would never ever give up this car for an EV. I plan on keeping my Avalon for 30 years which is not a surprising statement considering Toyota builds the finest vehicles in the world.
And with what power train (Gas, H2, EV) would you buy as a replacement to your Avalon when the time comes..
I love my wind-powered car. Of course the mast and sails mean I can’t drive under bridges, and it takes me ages to get to work on calm days, but the fuel savings!
Use a horse to go to work then you can go under the bridge😂
😊 that's why you add the hamster wheel. 😊 Innovation is key
We fired the sweepers to clean up after the horses decades ago, streets covered in horse poo stank
Have you aquired the complimentary peg-leg and parrot?
@@joeschmoe3665 I did! I also got the free eyepatch and a novelty car horn that goes “Heave to, me hearties!”
I've never been a fan of Toyota, but its strategy outlined here makes more business sense than going all out to pure electrification, especially considering the global market.
As of today, August 11, 2023, Toyota has developed FCEVs and H2O engines, while Chinese and Tesla EVs are facing many challenges. Toyota has once again proven to be the leading automaker in the world, and is widely respected for its innovation and commitment to sustainability.
Nobody EVER said, "all out". Stop lying. Huge difference from even having a toe in the water. I'm hoping Toyota continues with that hydrogen nonsense - it will bring about their bankruptcy and Japan's, that much sooner. Their smugness will be rewarded - in Hell.
The best Cars are old...
New Cars are💩.....
Really hope this works.! As a teenager I heard that HYDROGEN was going to power our future, with no problems - it was just 10 years away. I am now close to 70 years old, and have heard every decade of my life, that HYDROGEN is coming to our help. It might be just a few years away.!?!
It sounds exactly like the never-coming fusion energy.
@@GeorgeChuy The difference here is we just haven't managed to get fusion power to work yet whereas hydrogen power is definitely a thing, it is just not very good.
@@tonyharford4625 well, you score a point.
Same story with EV?
I used a battery-powered riding lawn mower to mow a 4 acre property back in the late-70s. I had to split the process into two days because the charge would run out. When we switched to a gas mower, the process took 4-ish hours total. Which do you think I preferred using? EVs will only gain wide adoption when their price point, longevity, and convenience of daily use are superior to ICE vehicles. The markets will decide😊
Battery tech has come a long way in 50 years.
Good thing we’re no longer living in the late 70s…
@@daydreamer8373 yes, it has. But it's still not a direct, "superior," replacement option for 100s of millions of consumers. Maybe someday, but I don't think it's gonna happen down the lithium, nickel, cobalt route. It'll have to use some other, more easily obtainable with less nasty side effects (e.g. thermal runaway), chemistry.
Still talking about the 1970s😅😅😅😅 wake up 450 km for $6 of electricity in Canada who on Earth would buy a car with a gasoline motor now
@@admireandinspire4525 someone who has to go further than 450 km, and needs to do it as fast as possible without having to worry about the necessary infrastructure 😎 EVs are fine as commuter/errand vehicles. For those of us who live in the middle of "nowhere", they simply are not practical, especially not when the range degrades 20-60% in "cold" weather.
This is why I love Toyota. A company that make sense.
A company with no direction what so ever. We’ll just do everything because “we have no idea what the market is doing”. Either they have a plan and are lying or they are telling the truth and will find themselves behind the times. How exactly does that make sense?
They know a dead horse when they see it. Electric cars are not going to last.
Facts
It is game over for toyota, the electric car and new players Tesla and chinese brands will control the future of the mobility,
EV’s are okay but not the answer and I believe a lot of it is hype, our power grids cannot handle total electric
The big problem with EV is simply electrical supply. Most electrical networks around the world are under strain with the reduction of large coal fired plants, which are being replaced with many smaller gas fired plants - not really a CO2 fix Im afraid. But the networks to your homes were never designed for the heavy loads that _large_ numbers of home ev charging that will be needed. Its a great scam for the electric companies, and watch _everyones_ electric bills get way more expensive as the generation of electricity becomes a bigger and bigger problem.
EVs are not a solve. Coupled with their extremely devastating production pollution, people have been fooled into paying 3x the price of a normal car, for "green" solutions that just arent. I think Toyota is one of the few car companies that is being very sensible about how to tackle the problem, rather than jumping into a solution that has potentially worse ramifications for the planet, they are playing a longer game. Kudos to them.
Well done Toyota. It's a sensible decision.
Yes. We just picked up a new 2023 Prius. Today. 😎It’s way cool and gets 50 MPG
I didn’t want a AV.
Anxiety Vehicle 🤮
Toyota could have worked on an EV ten years ago, and today streets would be full of them and nobody would know who "Tesla" is. instead they wasted tons of money on hydrogen, which is going nowhere because of the intrinsically higher cost.
Select markets are good for EVs but like in the 1900’s Daimler Mercedes realized like Ford Electric cars are good for short distances within a city area . However, the long travel distances required for travel leisure, commercial, military, and or moving transportation will become more reliant on hydrogen fuel cell electric (HFEV ).
If the past is any blueprint, some markets will adopt pure EV, whereas other markets will go with Hydrogen. Price and costs will go down for both and the winner will obviously still be Hydrogen due to its practical applications across all types of transportation systems. Airplanes, boats, and even trains will be zero emissions with Hybrid Hydrogen and the refueling time it takes to go longer distances whereas planes running on EV will be encumbered by battery weight and distances traveled issues with using electric batteries.
Boats on the other hand can run purely on EV but again speed and distance will be outpaced by hydrogen electric Engines. The hydrogen engines output immense power for longer periods and can recharge an electric battery as well.
Oh and Elon Musk is also tinkering with hydrogen as we speak. Elon was against hydrogen due to its costs but like in the 1900’s battery Benz’s gave way to petrol and Diesel engines found on Rolls Royces and Bentleys, soon US, French, and Italian automakers all following gas ICE makers. The technology always driving down costs.
This video is rot. Toyota have EVs and plan to keep developing their range. Website says and I quote: "It's clear, the future of our planet needs an answer today. At Toyota we've made it out mission to find a way to power the future without fossil fuels. We've committed to powering our entire range with zero emissions by 2050 by developing electrified vehicles."
EV's are the "shinny new object" that everyone is clamoring for, but are not the "net zero" answer. Toyota is playing the long game by developing new technology that will be sustainable and affordable for years to come. Once the world wakes up to the EV downsides and astronomical environmental costs, the automakers will beg for Toyota's patents on Hydro.
BS Hydrogen is a waste of electric power. EV is less than half the electric consumption. So unless you can make hydrogen in some magical new way, it will not be for cars.
Bankruptcy is not a good long game.
On another You tube channel, it said China's car market will be 80% EV by 2030 and while China was Toyota's biggest market in 2021, it will be gone from China by 2030. And a hydrogen ICE car? It produces NOx polution and is extremely inefficient compared to battery EVs. EV still need a better battery. The # of times a lithium battery can be charged/recharged is silll very limited.
@@xhames61xtheir Asian , SEA maybe Africa market will handle tht
Most countries are not going to switch and the major manufacturers will still be producing engines for those countries that are not attempting to destroy their own economies.
I own a 6 cylinder 2019 Camry that I intend to drive for another 10 years or more. Hopefully when I need a replacement, Toyota will still offer options other than an EV.
They might, or they might be out of business by then...
Camry is a great hybrid
@@atpcliff or he might be dead by then😅
I drive a 1991 Mercury Colony Park. If I play my cards right it will out live me.
I was 49 yr old when I bought my 2000 Camry LE. I'm 71 and my Toyota is 24 yr old with 97, 200 mi on it.
Toyota is right. EV sales will start to fade in 5 years, because they will not hold up in very cold weather.
My Camry is 20 years old, plays cd’s and cassettes, has knobs, and no touch screen. It’s 6 cylinders let me easily zoom past trucks traveling up long hills. I love it!
My 17 year old Honda Accord V6 does the same.
My 26 year old Buick does the same.
I rented a Tesla in South Florida. It was my first time in an EV. I watched 2 hours of RUclips videos about operation beforehand and was able to start and drive the car. I was overwhelmed by the complexity. I could not enjoy the for the two days I had it. The whole time I was in the car i could watch the charge go down. Charging stations were way out west in Miami. The car told me to turn up the temp on the AC to save on charge. It was 95 degrees outside! Then the car gave me a time out from the auto drive because my hand wasn't on the wheel. What! No way I was taking my hands off the wheel. My daughter later told me I needed to slightly shake the wheel. I think I will put Tesla in a time out...Permanently. Was it fast? Yes. Was it comfortable? No. Was it enjoyable? No. Would I rent one again? No. I think I will stick with the BMW 5 series I usually rent and enjoy the time in the car. I think Toyota may have called this one right this time!
I don't think it's wise to judge an entire class of vehicle based on your experience with a single model from a single manufacturer.
They recommend not parking your EV in the garage because of fires. Why on earth would anyone want to be in a car that can catch fire? We have a Toyota Highlander hybrid. We fill the gas tank once a month. Drove to Las Vegas and back to Southern California on one tank of gas.
It seems Toyota is the only car company that really gets it. The hybrid offers the best of both worlds. And when the solid-state battery comes out. I’m sure you’ll be able to drive a hybrid vehicle for over 100 miles on just electric power but you still have the gas engine. It doesn’t appear that evs are the solution. In my view, I think the hybrid is the answer with a much longer range (solid-state battery)
I wouldn't say no to an EV for a shopping trolley to get bread and milk, but living in Australia we sometimes go further than that. eg. the last trip with the family we loaded the Land Land Cruiser and the fist stop was 934 km or 580 Miles single stint, to my knowledge no EV can do that. And where we ended up power would be in short supply.
Bought an EV last year. We did a trip from Brisbane to Sydney last Christmas that took 22 hours!
Had to stop at Newcastle as we ran out of battery and the charging stations were out of order. Sold it and bought the new deisel landcruiser.
I absolutely agree with Toyota’s decision, I think is the right one, and it will be interesting to see where it goes in the future.
Horse and carriage...THAT is the answer for Toyota...
Lol i would love u yo agree with them when they go backrupt within 2 years and will crash the japanese economy
Toyoto is a failure across the board ... they are losing chinese marketshare so fast itll give u whiplash
I agree with you. People are starting to realize that EVs are not economic and that the manufacture and scrapping of the batteries are an environmental disaster. There will be no all-electric future.
@@MrJadude your spelling and erudite answer have certainly convinced me. Clearly Toyota doesn't know what they're doing.
@@peterww3241 Building an EV, and operating it, use WAY less materials, and emit less carbon than an oil-powered vehicle. EV batteries are already being recycled. New battery tech, including iron-air batteries, and being researched and constructed. New battery tech will make EVs much cheaper and more efficient, than they are today. Tesla is working on the Model 2, which is forecast to cost $25K. The average new auto today costs about $48k.
Toyota is number one in Finland as well. I'm just hoping they will not go the way of overpricing their cars and aiming for the high end market. That would be a huge mistake and kill their market share.
I don't want to get an EV for many of the reasons mentioned on this video and I'm glad to hear my favorite car manufacturer also has a clear head amidst this EV hype.
Don’t worry. That’s why they have Lexus
I think Toyota is smart to proceed cautiously into evs. The whole story is not out on battery vehicles.
I can tell you battery life never gets better after buying a brand new unit. Expect to replace EV packs every 7-10 years and like for tesla costs close to $20,000. I know hybrid cars and have seen EV batteries not last that long. When people boast about how good their tesla is I laugh because aren't most brand new cars great the first 6 months???
I've said it for years hydrogen fuel cars are better options than EV
Still loving my 2005 Prius. 45-50 mpg is just fine with me. (And yes, I have replaced the battery once). Been across country and all around. Keep your electrics, Big Guy.
How much did it cost to buy a new hybrid battery?
@@commonsense5709I doubt he replaced the battery yet - I have priced some out though and it is less than $1500 which is almost as much as a set of tires these days
My friend works for Toyota dealership and said the hybrid battery usually cost $8000-$10,000.
Put it this way: on one hand the politicians of the world think EV is the future while, on the other hand, the people who run the most successful car maker think otherwise.
one of them make laws the other do not.
This is like saying politicians think that we should go carbon neutral while the multi billion dollar oil companies do not. I’m not really for EVs (I think we should just build robust public transportation) but companies only dictate what’s good for their wallet not what’s good for people
this is one person from one manufacturer - then you turn in into a straw man argument.
So the four people in the thread, where you from and what's the emissions on brand new vehicles in your country I'm euro 6 the cleanest that's on the market
If Trump declared cars to be socialism and horses to be American, Republicans would buy horses and Toyota would be happy to sell them to you. Corporations don't follow the science or technology, they simply follow the demand, even if it's driven by ignorance.
I own an EV (almost 8 years now). But I neither love nor hate them. They serve a purpose, and in the right situation, they can be quite economical, but they are definitely not for everyone. I didn't buy mine to save the planet, I bought it to save money, and it has, and it continues to do so. But ONLY because it works for my situation.
WELL SAID!!
It doesn't really save the world if theres Genocide in the DRC where the Lithium is mined to operate this ev weird thing, kids as young as 5 years are forced to mine colbat and Lithium for the western government with a propaganda of save the the world global warming a hoax
I’m glad to hear you say that I’ll be buying another Toyota when I wear this one out!! they’re the best!!
Toyota has their head on straight and aren’t blinded by hype and nonsense. Lithium based transportation technology is not the way to go and I won’t accept it.
Akio is the smart guy in the room.
Toyota is a global company that sells a lot of vehicles in areas with little infrastructure at all, much less EV charging. They also tend to be very conservative. EVs will still comprise the majority of vehicles sold after 2040 and Toyota will end up shifting most of their production line in this direction over time.
Totally agree, I wouldn't have an EV
btw, how much to replace the battery?
@@bruceellenburg429 Who knows? EV batteries usually only fail at the very beginning or very end of a cars lifespan. Those at the beginning are covered by warranty and the end of lifespan case isn't really occurring yet, because EV's haven't reached this stage yet. And then almost all defective EV batteries are being repaired rather than replaced.
Lmao😂😂😂😂 dinosaur 🦕
No not at all
I'd love an electric vehicle, but I can't ignore that rare minerals are called rare for a reason, there's a political and enviromental cost too. I'm not sure EV is sustainable.
The other day while having work done my ICE car, I asked the shop manager if he had ever replaced the battery on an electric car....he said yes he had, on a hybrid Toyota Prius. I asked him how much did it cost the owner. He said $8,000.00. Your honor, I rest my case.
Is that good?
@@kevinfernandez9999 Do you think it is?
I think that is good. EV batteries generally last five to ten years and usually cost 50% of the price of the car when new. I won't be buying EV anytime soon.
@@paulparoma it could be if you plan to use your car for the next 10 years
@@kevinfernandez9999 I have a 2005 normal car. I can't imagine spending $8000 to keep it going for the next 10 years. I would have to replace both the engine and transmission for that kind of money.
I had always assumed my next vehicle would have been an EV. But as I learned more about them, my misgivings increased: the various battery technology issues, including being beholden to China for rare earth minerals, the range and charging limitations (or additional costs), catching fire if exposed to high water, the cost, etc. I felt that Toyota’s hydrogen vehicle was a better way to achieve clean vehicles, but their refueling options were even less compelling than batteries.
So in the end, I “split the difference” and went hybrid, hoping that by the time I make my next vehicle purchase, the drawbacks with current non-ICE vehicles will have been addressed in at least one of the current or future technologies so that buying one doesn’t seem so prone to buyer’s remorse.
of course the oil industry propaganda machine is out there in full form!
Be part of them or be part of a solution.
Sadly, producing hydrogen without using immense amounts of electricity is very difficult, as yet!
@@ErikssonTord_2it's also not very energy efficient being used either. Same energy efficiency as gas, and way more expensive. It's not a good alternative
actually australia mines more rare earth minerals than china...
@@mottthehoople693 the have neodymium?
got link?
I think the real problem is that governments in most developed countries bet on EVs. I am not sure if it is a good decision.
Got a better idea?
@@jamesvandamme7786 yes, gasoline.
@@thekinarbo So, pump shit out of the ground that's been there a million years, and burn it.
Prices of cars rised by 50% in last years in Europe. It will not make people driving younger cars in general. Hybrid car's fuel consumption is about 65-70% of ICE only. Ban in 2035 is like forcing engines revolution. Latest EURO 7 norm would kill small cars A, B-size. It's madness. We need another 5 years for tech development to make EV, H2 etc. affordable plus law which protects small ICE cars till 2040.
@@jamesvandamme7786 there is no climate crisis.
Put me in the "won't buy one until every last ICE vehicle has been confiscated and crushed" category. Same for my lawn mower, trimmer, etc. I'll use electric hand tools (drill, saw, etc) because those don't require vast amounts of energy like cars and mowers do. Battery power is fine for low energy applications, which does not include cars.
Also put me in the "hydrogen is better" camp. Hydrogen engines don't require lots of rare earth minerals. Minerals that aren't abundant enough to supply the entire planet's requirements if all vehicles were electric. Hydrogen is basically a battery. Electricity is used to generate Hydrogen from water, and Hydrogen engines generate water when running. Zero emissions, zero rare earth metals.
I think that history has shown that whatever Toyota's strategy is, it's the right one.
I for 1 DEFINITELY ADMIRE Toyota for taking this stance… personally I’m not ready for the e-v actually I’m tied of hearing about them …. I’ve never warmed up to foreign car makers but this could put me behind the wheel of a Toyota Crown
EV's will fail and it's going to take down some auto makers. The infrastructure required may never be put in place.
@@yaimavol sure you can, just like you laid down fuel pumps, now you lay down chargers
I think that EV's have a place in the various markets, especially for local delivery fleets, Taxi Cabs, and some other possibilities. But I am not sold on them for personal use. I understand the pluses, but there are more negatives than most people realize. Then there is the cost of buying one. The up front cost seems outrageous and beyond insane. Personally, I can't justify it.
There aren‘t any negatives…
@@mb7392 Long charge time, cold weather rendering chargers useless and might destory battery life, Minerals mostly owned by China & Mining them is possibly worse than fossil fuels for now and the foreseeable future.
Why are we betting all on EVs when they are still in there potential electric napalm phase? Without a massive charger and green power plant building frenzy you're just passing tailpipe emissions to the old fossil anyways, just at a massive markup to you the responsible consumer.
@@mb7392 they cost up to twice as much, the batteries degrade rapidly, they devalue more rapidly the batteries weigh sixty times as much as petrol by energy storage, they take far longer to charge, they increase the amount of electricity production. They weigh far more.
Those cars must run all day. They cannot. They have to charge. Such PRIVATE companies have ditched them.
@@michaelfasher bullshit
Plug in hybrid options are far more practical, reliable and economical. As others rush to build as many EVs as quickly as possible, Toyota won’t get hurt by soaring lithium prices.
Consumers won’t be burned by infrastructure challenges which are still massive even in leading markets.
Then there is the question of what EV technology and also hydrogen technology will look like in 10-25 years.
They’re positioned brilliantly for sustained growth.
hydrogen is a horriable idea and I hope all companies stay away from it
I have driven Toyota or Lexus for 40 years and will do so in future too. My current Prius allows me to cover over 1000 kilometres, about 650 miles without having to refuel. Most evs allow you 200 to 300 miles at the most. That just makes no sense. Unfortunately the EU where I live plans to ban all fossile fuel cars by 2035.
I hate this ev hype.
It is also still a financial question. A decent EV in Australia is still over $60k.
What's your gas vs hydro bill like?overtime the saving on gas would be significant, plus they are fast.
The next vehicle I buy will most likely be a used Prius but I plan to keep and drive my 2010 6 speed manual TRD Offroad Tacoma for many many years to come.
you like russian fascists - so buy oil products
There are six Prius cars in my circle of friends and none of us would own anything else.
Well done Toyota. Here in the UK you can sense the palpable insecurity around whether we will be ready by 2030 to abandon the ICE? Hybrid [as a minimum] has always been the sensible interim step
Toyota is probably making the right call. The tech isn't there yet for battery power, and there are other techs also being developed. I think an important challenge is to think of it from a supply chain point of view and make choices that allow an unhindered flow of materials into production.
the real reason is toyota unable to get the ev patents because they are slow in ev, and then giving all kind of fake excuse to paint a good image on them
@@foreverl6751 If they couldn't get the EV Patendts, then why was there already a fully EV created by them? Watch the whole video. The majority of the world does not want EV, that's why Toyota is sells more than the next competitor by a huge margin.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq you do not know how patent works, Toyota needs to pay the fee to the patent owner before building any ev, and the ev trend data is growing every year despite of your hate. Please study more before making any ignorant comments 😂
@@foreverl6751 There is no patent when their vehicles are different dummy. That's what why they have a groups that only deals with designs and patents in their company. Study up your end before commenting dummy. It's like saying Popeyes chicken have to pay KFC patent fees just because they started their fried chicken business before them. How stupid are you?
The problem here might be totalitarian governments banning Toyota from their countries.
I think Toyota will continue to dip their toes into both EV and Hydrogen, and continue to refine all their ICE vehicles into Hybrids with incredible gas mileage of 45+ MPG. Ice vehicles will be with us well into the 2050’s, as will the Gas Stations that fill them. Over 20 million cars have been produced in the first three months of 2023 in the world, with ICE being 90+ percent of them. It is very common for Toyota’s to clock 250 thousand miles on the odometer before being “retired/scrapped”, and the average car is raking up 12,000 miles per year, therefor a Toyota ICE or Hybrid bought today, or even up to 2030 will still require a “vintage” gas station to fill with petrol well into the 2050/2060’s! Gas Stations as we know them will be around well into the 2100’s. They will just slowly convert to bi or tri fuel dispensaries, Petrol/Charging stations/Hydrogen, and remember, all autos need service, which many stations provide.
We are another generation of battery evolution away (Lithium Ion is not long term) from cells that provide the proper distance, or ability to withstand cold weather and high heat. Aluminum/Silicon looks promising as it overcomes the negatives of Lithium Ion, and our planet has lots of Aluminum and Silicon deposits, so extremely cheap to produce. Tesla is one step away from disruption, though i cannot prognosticate by whom.
One last point, and that is Electron’s. You know it as electricity which in most power-plants worldwide run on natural gas to produce said electricity. Depending on the region or country, small percents are from nuclear reactors (which are quickly falling out of favor, Switzerland is closing ALL of their reactors, zero US reactors have been built in the USA in the last quarter century and elsewhere in the third world are non existent) Coal plants, Hydroelectric, Wind Turbines, Solar plants and Methane plants where our old garbage dumps are. Natural gas is the number one fuel to create electrons by a far margin as it is the cleanest most available fuel. Nuclear is number two, very efficient but volatile, and dangerous (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukishama come to mind) and the problem of where and how to store spent fuel rods (remember Yucca Mountain). Oil and coal together produce 50% of all Electrons on earth😢.
Green energy is a joke at best in regards to percentage of electron creation, Solar cells are too inefficient, and Wind farms are too expensive per watt hour.
Remember this as you complain about how long your Tesla takes to charge. You are still causing climate change!
Till i am dead and long gone, i will just turtle around in my recent Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, and not give an ear to the Media Analists decrying about the “race to end ICE or the world will fall apart” nonsense! And I will do it at 42 MPG!
So I am not worried about Toyota in the long term, my 2 cents…
In Europe over 20% of electricity comes from renewables
@@dirk2518 the other 80% coal.
not common at all ..all a PR myth
[Oil and coal together produce 50% of all Electrons on earth😢.] The World is now at about 85% on Fossil Fuels Generations of Electric Powers.
China the most Polluted Nation with 85% on Coals and Heavy Oils Electric Powers
USA ─ 71-75% on Fossil Fuels ─ depending on what kind of Weather that Generated Wind Turbine and Solar Energy, like California, this Winter/Spring with lot of Snow the Generations reduced substantially; and besides, California only generated 69% of Cali Electric Powers, Imported 31% and also depending on how those others States that Cali imported ─ how the Weather will make up the Percentage of Fossil Fuel vs. other Sources.
Canada is 80% on Fossil Fuels
Someone told us about Euro Zone, we/I don't know of hand the Percentages.
Asia, mostly small land-parcel Countries, short Highways ─ not like China, USA or Canada and Australia. Asians can afford to buy short-range BEV but the Cost is out of their Touches.
No comment on South/Latin Americas.
And the Notion that BEV are Neutral or Net Zero Emission is a tale and Web of Lies from Elon-gates. To Mine all Metals needed for Manufacturing 🔋 🔋 required/require Petroleum (Oil & Gas); the extra-waste of Weights on the BEV's ─ average about 1000 lbs. heavier than an ICE. There the extra pollutions' that BEV produce. Manufacturing BEV now is about 140% polluted than an ICE ─ Metals Chassis (that is not including 🔋 🔋). When there will be even 25% BEV out of 100% (70% ICE and others) ─ An exponential Curve of Electric Powers Needed for Charging those 25% BEV, Electrical Grids will face more Powers Losses ─ More High-Voltage Powerlines will be needed; it is not a Simple Arithmetic Function of Supplied Powers but rather a Logarithmic Function.
To other Point from you, Nuclear power ⚛ ⚛ Fission Reactions are dangerous, Fukushima was a case of exceptional incidence; the Diesel-powered Generator Built to cool down the Over-core of ⚛ ⚛ Chambers were designed with no vision of Tsunami Flooding that Flooded the Diesel Generator. The Japanese has fixed the Problem but could not regain Confidence in public about Atomic Powers.
Fusion ⚛ ⚛ Reaction might be at the high of "know-how" Technology that can be used to generated Huge "uncontrolled" heat for Separations of Seawater into Hydrogen, Oxygen for Hospitals and Table-Salt for Cooking or other Industrial Uses.
About Hydrogen Cells, Canada, Quebec Province and Manitoba have plenty of Hydro-electric Powers that could be used for both LNG and Hydrogen Cells Manufacturing's. In cold climate Zones like Canada and Alaska, the mileage on ICE is not reduced, in some cases, due to Coldness, the Engines are cooler and the Thermostats of special Designs by Toyota that bring heats to Vehicles' Chambers have been very effective. On the other hand, when the BEV like Teslas, on Temp of Minus 28°C and Keep Room Temp in Vehicles at 25° would cut down the Range of an BEV to 40% or Theoretical Ranges.
The rest is history.
Cheers,
I think you're right. I don't see ICE going away anytime soon, but, I expect to see a lot more high performance Hybrids on the road, before EV even comes close to taking over, relegating ICE to history. The main market driver will be cost. If EV's are less expensive per mile than combustion, that's when they will gain market penetration. The Hybrid Vs BEV battle will rage on for decades to come. It's all about resource availability.
I am one of the last in this world to embrace an EV. I am from India, and my toyota corolla altis petrol is going as brand new after 136000 kms. My other car, the humble Tata indica, clocked 175000 kms in semi-offroad conditions and still going okay, still getting 24 kms per litter of Sub graded diesel. I just want to live like that for rest of my life!
And you can still add that many miles to a EV car. They’re not as unreliable as you think and in my case has been less maintenance than a petrol car
I think those that pivot towards full electric philosophy in the immediacy are the entitled and wealthy persons... their situational circumstances and worldview enable their adoption feasible. For many people living around the world where survivability is still a struggle, their reality is much different.
Yes, and they are the people telling us how to live while they vacation using private jets.
Worldview Uber Alles. Even if I were rich I think I would pass on driving around in a white phosphorus grenade.
@@23chnge millions of people are just struggling to survive and cannot afford a vehicle of any kind.
For those in stormy areas or places where you might have to evacuate just be sure to carry extra batteries with you when leaving. Or don’t live in those places just wait until climate gets fixed to move back
Actual science. 💪🙂
Until the climate gets fixed???? hahaha we're screwed
There is nothing to fix except the climate scare agenda.
🤣🤣🤣 yeah N be ready for massive explosions of your lithium crap
I don't understand the logic there. Whether you're running on electricity or whether you're running on gasoline, it all depends on how much fuel you have in the car when the disaster strikes. Because you're not going to be able to get gasoline if the electricity is off.
Here in Australia we can't get a Camry hybrid delivered under 14 months.
Yes, those Top 5 countries might all have lots of people who own EVs but they are those people's second cars. Their main car or their big car is a diesel usually, set up for 4x4 or at least off the bitumen, camping or driving long distances. It will be a very long time before EV charging stations are found in the bush!
I don't much like EVs because I can't charge it in the bush. I still have my first and only 4x4, a 1988 HJ75 cab/chassis (ute). It serves me very well towing quite a large trailer for work and then being more than suitable for weekend 4x4 stuff. I will be one of those who still owns an old veteran or vintage car when I finally give up driving, I guess in about 20yrs time, since I am already 67. So I am glad my favourite car company has my interests at heart. Feels good to be on the right side for a change.
Not many people have 2nd cars and if they do it’s a cheap and cheerful car, not an expensive turbo diesel or 4WD.
Media is lying (as always). I'm with the great Toyota. EVs still crap, they need to get better not only in design
EVs have HIGH pollution pushed out by higher prices and subsidies which are "of course" generated elsewhere. These are deliberately never in the CO2 comparisons.
With CA's recent ruling on diesel truck sales, it can help to boost hydrogen. I think Toyota's more or less on the right track, and I'd love to see hydrogen powering our vehicles and homes in the future.
Yes. And you payed 15 Dollar for 2.2 Pounds h2 to drive 62.x miles? And the other cost such as inspections and repairs? For Toyota is they industry important, not was the customer pays at the end for they products. For me is the EV the future for driving an h2 for Energy for the industry and in the homes.
Hydrogen cars makes no sense...yet. There is no readily available supply of it. You have to make it, which is energy intensive and inefficient when you could just take that same energy and just put it an EV. Until science solves that problem of mass production of Hydrogen, it's not viable.
@@alexander_fromm yeah sure, but what you do after 10-15 years when you must change the battery witch is verry damn expensive sooo, yeahhh good luck with that :)
@@deuxalex562 Ohhh. There no problem. The battery comes for the next 15 or 20 years as battery in my house or caprort for loading the new ev. ;-)
unless the hydrogen is created using renewables, its as bad as using petrol or diesel.
Hybrid is a good solution now, especially if you take road trips! It is the best balance. The infrastructure is not in place to handle a huge switch to EV -- California is a great example. There is the right tool for the job, so there is not one vehicle that will do the job, (there are many types of hammers depending upon the job you are undertaking).
Except legacy makers can’t get there act together to supply.some Toyota hybrids are a 3 year waiting list here in Australia
@@chefgav1 Hydrogen is a hoax designed to keep selling ice vehicles . It takes 4 units of energy to deliver 1 unit.
Hybrids are for people that are bad at math . Total suckers bet.
@@jasavak what’s this bad math you are referring too?
@@chefgav1 It takes 450,000 miles to break even at $3.30 per gallon. Of course it never breaks even because the battery lasts about 150,000 miles. BTW , my son picked up a Tesla Model 3 that uses $2.70 per 100 miles compared to a Prius at $7.00 .
The US should have pushed the Hybrid powertrain route FIRST, then transition to pure EV slowly.
I recently saw a video of a prototype of an EV that has a range of 900 miles, however it was a three wheeled light test vehicle. I do think Toyota could go electric if and when necessary, but is wisely keeping it close to the vest and waiting for how much buyers show interest in a car that isn't really cost effective or using green energy as electricity uses fossil fuels to be produced, and cobalt is being mined by children in Africa for the batteries, which are prohibitively expensive when replaced.
Yes, I own a dynamic force rav 4 engine, gas engine and my wife and I love it. 4cy Toyota engines are awesome. I own a 2013 Corolla Corolla and a 2019 rav 4 and yes they are awesome vehicles.
and much lighter than any comparable EV. The world forget's about all the dead weight EV haul around.
I'm delighted to hear that, good move TOYOTA, I'm Canadian and I don't believe in electric vehicles for many reasons, hydrogen is the way to go for. 😀
Please answer me, where can I fill up the tanks in my hydrogen car?
@@joeeng727 Garden hose in a few years.
Thanks Stephane / I’m Canadian too 🇨🇦 - fully agree 👍
Hydrogen has very low energy density - it's a bear to store lots of joules in a small volume.
Hydrogen cars makes no sense...yet. There is no readily available supply of it. You have to make it, which is energy intensive and inefficient when you could just take that same energy and just put it an EV. Until science solves that problem of mass production of Hydrogen, it's not viable.
I'll say Toyota is making the right move, staying with ICEs as their major power plant rather than jump on the latest BEV trend like all the other car companies. FWIW Toyota does have hydrogen fuel cell cars on the road here in California (I believe Mercedes Benz & Hyundai do too, but in smaller numbers). You can lease one from a local Toyota dealer, and the auto makers, State of California, and a few oil companies(!) have teamed up to develop H2 fueling stations around the state. Toyota's gaining practical experience with H2 vehicles while everyone else just jumps on the battery powered trend and hoping it will be sustainable.
You’re simply wrong, in fact the number of hydrogen fueling stations in Calif. has DEcreaseD.
I have only a few family members and friends who had switched to EV's. After 4-5 years of ownership most are likely to go back to ICE vehicles when their EV finally reaches end of life.
Such a great video. Informative and entertaining. Gives me more hope for the future. A company that thinks and makes great products. I love my Lexus, I am so glad I am part of the Toyota family.
This is why Toyota is HUGE ! They follow proven success
,and carefully study trends
you like russian fascists - so buy oil products
I operate my business in very remote locations with no way to recharge. My diesel 4x4 has 450k on it still running strong.
I think biggest mistake is in the thinking that electric vehicles are somehow making a difference in climate change and the environment. China built more new coal fired power plants in 1 year than the USA and Europe have total in operation. They also opened more new coal mines in 1 year than the USA has total in operation and the UK closed the last coal mine in operation. While the USA and Europe winds everything down, China and India is ramping up
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. This expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced
I think the recall was a good thing, it means they are willing to fix the issue.
They’ve sent me a paint recall letter for a 13 year old Prius!
I feel that Toyota have proven themselves to be a highly conscientious organisation when it comes to looking after their customers. We have a Toyota Corolla Verso for many years and got a recall which said something like:
If the vehicle has been traveling uphill in a low gear for more than 10 minutes a warning light might come on!😅
I personally love Mazda vehicles. Even though they have the MX30 EV. I couldn't justify its lack of range and practicality. I went with the CX30. I think Toyota and Mazda have shared a mindset on the EV matter. I love the look and feel of the CX30. It seemed like a great car to me.
In the northern half of Alberta and prairies in the south, towns can be as much as an hour apart or more. When it’s 30 below, EV’s range is drastically reduced. Impractical and dangerous. Freezing to death with a dead battery in the middle of nowhere is the possibility that keeps us moving with gas and diesel.
Maybe stick a charge station in between, like you would a gas station, weird idea right?Maybe we should improve EV's so that they are viable for such trips, weird idea right?
@@Drownedinblood Charging stations every hour is viable if a road is well travelled, but when it's minus 30 or 40 or even colder the range is cut in half, still doubling the cost per mile to operate the vehicle. And in parts of the country where there's NOTHING, and not heavy traffic the charge stations every hour would never get enough use to make pay for themselves. We're stuck on fossil fuels for a while, till battery technology improves.
@@tonyocoffey5175 So by your own account you are a very special niche case and should not effect the rest of the world which live in areas where EV's would be practical from moving to them and having infrastructure built for them.
Also...think about getting a railroad..
@@Drownedinblood Or maybe just stick to current ICE technology which has no problems coping with these issues.
Clearly you have never had a block heater before
EVs competes with cellphones, computers, all other gadgets that all run on electricity for, well electricity. Compared to 30 years ago, each person consumes so much more electricity through their gadgets and what not. Renewable electricity is still expensive, and the cost of bolstering electrical grid infrastructure will be a burden on electric bills for the forseeable future. On the other hand, the more people move to evs, the demand for gas will fall, and petroleum infrastructure already exists ubiquitously both up and down stream (extraction - refinement - gas stations).
Not only do I think Toyota's decision is well balanced, I think it provides a kind of safety net for the rest of society - not all eggs in the electricity dependent basket.
I think it's not economically viable to entirely pivot to full EV, I would have been shocked if the story was the opposite. I do think Toyota is the one to look out for in terms of who could be the clear number two in the EV field.
Pretty much every major manufacturer is pivoting to full EV, Toyota has backed a loser in hydrogen, and they are so far behind in EVs that they will be lucky to make top 5. Battery tech is advancing in huge leaps in both cost and performance, meaning that soon EVs will be not just cheaper to run but also cheaper to buy. And once that happens, why would you want a new ICE?
@@gibbonsdp You perhaps don't realize it takes about 500,000 ton's of excavated material to get enough rare earth materials for a single EV's battery, this is all done with fossil fuel burning equipment. Not to mention the materials in the battery is hazardous to the environment. The power grid is also largely still powered with fossil fuels which charges these cars.
Look into it, Lithium battery powered cars are not as environmentally friendly as you think they are. Battery tech needs to advance a lot further and a lot more friendly to the environment to make it a feasible long term solution.
Hydrogen is a viable alternative as Hydrogen is the most abundant thing on earth, its literally contained in every water molecule even. Lithium is a rare earth material which before the EV boom was expected to be depleted worldwide in a couple hundred years.
@@gibbonsdp Behind? They led the way with the Prius in 1997. They were way ahead of the curve. I guarantee if the demand is there, Toyota will lead the way again.
@@ziggywigg Being ahead of the curve is no guarantee of success. In 1997 Tesla hadn't been born. Last year Tesla sold 1.3m BEVs and Toyota sold - 38,000. So yes, Toyota is behind in BEVs. Behind almost every other major manufacturer, and way, way behind Tesla.
@@gibbonsdp Toyota Camry is the best selling car in the US. Toyota dominates the world auto market. If that's behind the curve, then I'm sure they're okay with that honor. Their job is selling cars.
By the way, you should look up the inventories of EV's Ford currently has. They can't give them away and the reason TESLA is doing good now is because of their price cuts. Do you honestly believe an average American can afford a TESLA?
EV's and plug in hybrids are great for city short commute driving. I just bought a Rav4 hybrid. It will take at least 3 years for the savings in gas to pay for the added up front expense. Assuming that it lasts at least 10 years it will be a good investment. Since it has a range of almost 600 miles on a tank of gas I can go anywhere. You cannot do that with an EV.
We have a hybrid rav4 too. I have had Toyotas my entire life so over 20 years! Now have a sienna too! Before 2019 I had a 2004 corolla and avalon and the only reason we had to buy new was a house fire blew them up(not the cars fault)! So that's 15 years each of those lasted and ran great! Hopefully the hybrid rav4 is just as good as those!
Mad respect for Toyota 🫡
Toyota are doomed to lose massive market share. They are too far behind the EV future.
@@thewatcher5822 Hilarious 🤡☝️. We just picked up a new 2023 Prius. It’s way cool and gets 50 MPG
I didn’t want a AV.
Anxiety Vehicle 🤮
Toyota (and Honda) are great companies that are unable to respond to a changing world. This is going to be really bad for the Japanese economy.
Mad respect for what exactly? EV and AI are taking over
@@thewatcher5822 Just too much botting to push out the global EV propaganda to everyone's throat.
I personally love the idea of experimenting with an electric car, but I agree: The world will not be ready by 2030. And if I do get an EV, it will probably be a secondary car, because range anxiety is still a thing. And I also prefer to have a choice
We'll have bigger problems in 2030 then imaginary cars.
I’m not opposed to EVs per se but I find it idiotic to rush into forcing the public to switch when we do not have an energy infrastructure to support these expensive battery operated cars. Huge solar farms and windmills are not going to do the job.
A diverse powertrain portfolio is what is needed in this changing and fluid market. Going all in is a short sighted strategy without having an escape plan.
The writing is on the wall. Toyota waiting for Japanese innovation to put EV's in their place is like a squirrel waiting for an oak tree to grow so it can have all the acorns. By the time the oak tree grows tall enough to produce the acorns the squirrel will have died of starvation.
yup - Toyota is being short-sighted again
You all may be right but I think the answer for a lot of people is the hybrid. No worries at all. I kinda think people view moving to the EV as the natural progression. What's the rush? Being the first on your block? There really can't be any other good reason for it that I can see.
@@alext8828 okay - you cant see it. Does not mean others cant see it like you cant see it.
Twice as much to build, still emits CO2, twice the failure points, maintenance for both ICE and EV systems.
This has me liking Toyota more than before.
You're not a car enthusiast. Toyota only makes boring family haulers and will never make a true sports car, supercar, or hypercar.
@@akiranatsume3501 Perfect! Exactly what I look for.
They already made many true sports cars. A 2000gt sold for 2.53 Million and that car was legendary.
Yes. We just picked up a new 2023 Prius. Today. 😎It’s way cool and gets 50 MPG
I didn’t want a AV.
Anxiety Vehicle 🤮
@@akiranatsume3501 8=====D
It's early in the EV game, and the natural tendency of the Japanese to study and wait is at play here. Billions are being invested in lithium refining and production, but will that be the ideal electrical storage 5-10-15 years from now? BYD just announced a whole different battery chemistry for a future vehicle. With it's various problems and rare earth material needs, it's hard to imagine lithium is the best we're gonna do. Toyota will lose little in waiting that out before acting.
There are no rare earth minerals in a lithium ion battery. They are in some of the motors of some EV's, but mostly in catalytic converters of ICE vehicles, consumer and other electronics, weapon systems and ammunition, aerospace applications, etc.
There are still a lot of ignorant people who still think that they are environmental friendly by driving a EV.