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The whole point of building the airport in the sea is to reduce sound from the planes in residential areas. Building it in the Ijselmeer would still be too close to residential areas. Plus, the Ijselmeer is also a fresh water reserve and recreational area. And all that would be lost.
not just recreative the ijselmeer is actually a nature reserve on dome international list
thats also why we can drill for gas there even though there is more natural gas there than in Groningen
also even more important we want to get rid of the fly and decent routes over populated areas
in this way planes can stay up in the air mucht longer regardless of whete the wind blows
IJsselmeer*
@@ToepnToepIJsselmeer*
2:16 don't live near the airport then..
That is something I also do not understand here in the Netherlands. Example: Someone moves to the countryside and his neighbours have had a farm there for more than 50 years, the new residents are bothered by the stench that the farm makes, the judge now decides that the farm may no longer make a stench or in other words they must leave.
What I do not understand is why a newcomer has the right to complain about that while the situation has been like that there for many years.
Same with moving next (~10 km) from an airport and complaining about the noise. Like, you move to a cheapish house due to the airport, and then complain about the noise levels of the planes. If you move to a house next to an airport, you shouldn't be able to go to the court about the noise levels.
I live near Amsterdam Airport. Like 5 km away. I almost hear nothing. People should stop complaining. People in the Netherlands buy a house here in the Red Light District. Than complain about drunks and hookers.
@@DutchGio Well, exactly that. Why are they so stupid and the sad thing is that they are often right in court. As a farmer you should immediately oppose building plans that are close to the farm.
@@flipmanonline Yes, also something that irritates me immensely: people who move to Amsterdam and then suffer from tourism, drug nuisance and prostitution.
Come on, you're in a capital city that is in fact an amusement park.
🎉🎉indeed. Eogenschuld
I'd go for an old skool windmill design (if possible), the blades of the mill being 4 runways, 2 for take-off, 2 for landing and parralel to them runways for taxiing to and from the runways to the body of the mill where the actual departure and arrival halls are located.
EDIT: I SWEAR I commented before Charlie said he would make a windmill too LOL!
It's not happening, period.
This keeps popping up every couple of years.
That's what I thought. It's just funny to see foreigners talk about Dutch plans.
I have lived right next to Schiphol for a long time. It doesn't bother me. I also find it strange when people come to live here and then complain. I think you shouldn't live there then.
Under the current economic situation, I don't think an airport will be built at sea. It is also unnecessary. There is still enough room for additional houses here and if we can limit the number of short-distance flights. Schiphol does not need to grow any further. However, investments should be made in High Speed Rail and more metros. A good starting point should be that you should be able to reach Berlin from Schiphol within 3 hours by High Speed Train. In fact, all European capitals within 1000 km of Schiphol should be reachable by train within 4 hours. That seems to me to be a better and cheaper way to achieve it.
Also EU funding exists for such projects. 1 new line/track already planned to be ready by 2030 and something like 5 after 2030
LOL....The Dutch Republic at 2:55😂😂😂 We're still a Kingdom.
And Schiphol will not be moved to sea.
We used to be the Batavian Republic, couple of hundred years ago.
Apparently it is a plan that's been on the table since 60's. It has last been mentioned in 2019. There has been a lot of pushback from environmentalists and the fact that seawater erodes equipment too fast. So, who knows.... im all for it tbh. Schiphol is too small and because of all the restrictions, smaller airports are popping up all over the country!! Make that make sense.
We are a constitutional monarchy though, and in practice the government that is chosen by the people governs the Netherlands and not the king. So we are not officially a republic, but since the king doesn't really participate in decision making like the parlement does it has become a strech to call the Netherlands a monarchy. Without the king we are a republic, and the king is not governing so the king is only good for international relations and stuff like that.
This has been suggested and shot down due to costs multiple times through the last 40 years, and with increasing freak weather due to global warming etc. i don't see this happening anytime soon.
The Dutch word for lake is 'meer' it is pronounced simular as 'dear' but with a M like Mear.
Facts
Hey Charlie, for the idea to use the Ijsselmeer. The Markermeer (which is part of the Ijsselmeer) was/is supposed to be a polder. There is even a dam for most of the area for this reason. (you can see it on Google maps) But you know, these days wildlife is a big issue. Today it is a bird breeding ground and what not. Even though we are lacking usable ground for living space and stuff. Weirdly they rather take that ground from our farmers instead. Though I must admit, the Ijsselmeer is used as a freshwater reservoir. This is used for either drink water or to combat the salinization of our agricultural land. Crops don't grow on ground that is too salt. (As far as I understand) It is a weird situation.
To answer your question, if they would polder the Markermeer it would be used to built more houses or farms.
Maybe because farmers have been over subsidized for decades.
You realize we're the second largest agricultural exporting country after the USA? Do you think this is healthy for the country? It's those damn farmers and their pollution which prevent us from building entire new neighborhoods.
Our king doesent have a masters degree in water management but he can fly commercial airliners :)
Never going to happen, sorry. 🤷♂️
Circular runways are already studied in depth and are simply stupid.
zuiderzee/ijsselmeer is used for drinking water. Aalsmeer is a town name
Unfortunately you are given false information. This is not going to happen. Would be nice but it is not going to happen 😢
Antoher real cool video, i'm so glad you keep up doing things you like ^^ I hope life is good to you.
Love the way americans say “dijk” like when that say virgil van dijk 😂
Correction to the reaction: Hong Kong Airport isn't a polder, it is a landfill (all above the surrounding sea).
To be fair this is only a pitch by an enginering firm not an actual plan.
A official recent goverment study stated that building a new airport at sea including connecting rail and road works could could go up to a 1000 BLN euro!
And it will take at least 30-50 years to complete the entire project technicly.
As the facts learned from reclaimed lands projects in Hong Kong (entire airport) Tokio (additional runway for Narita airport) palm and the world project in Dubai it takes up to decade longer then expected that the reclaimed land would settle, stable enough to be built on.
The groundlevel of Hong Kong Airport who was the first mega ground reclamation project sank upto 1 meter.
The crux in this pitch is that the massive lands were Schiphol airport resides on is one of the most valuable pieces of land in Europe.
Schiphol had already a secundary airport (Lelystad) that was upgraded to take the holiday charter and airfreight overflow.
Now the upgrade is finished its not allowed to open for passengers due to several court rulings.
Also Schiphol itself (they fucked up by falsifying lower flight and passenger numbers) also has to decline flight movements up to 20% due to a court ruling.
International airlines are not happy with this so they sew Schiphol at the international commerce trading court for violating the open skies treaty.
Also building a new major airport in one of the bussiest shiping lanes of the world competing with offshore windturbines, oil/gas rigs and fishing grounds would become a legal minefield resulting in decades of courtbattles.
The IJsselmeer lake has just as much chance to be foggy as the Northsea. In fact, it is known to be quite dangerous to sail the IJsselmeer. And the reason why it needs to be 7 miles offshore is that the wind parks reach out up to 3-5 miles offshore. These wind parks start relatively close to the shore.
If they don't do it further away off shore..polution and noice on the coast will be the same. ijsselmeer is to close to people aswell.Sea mist by the way comes from warmer air coming in contact with colder water surface
The only water management the king knows about is playing with his rubber duck in the bathtub.
The "failed" project in Japan refers to the airport of Nagasaki in the Ōmura Bay.
You know there was an issue in the 80's when Schiphol was extended. There were people who lived close to the airport about the noise. Well it seemed the people that were complaining were mostly pilots and stewardessen who lived in a part of Hoofddorp that was just south of Schiphol about 5 miles away. Greetings Roelof from the Netherlands, who also was lvining in Hoofddorp.
9:46 fidgetspinner😂
To be fair, this is a fantasy idea that dates back from ~2012 or so. It will never be executed because it's not feasible, nor has there ever been any serious proposal for a circular airport in the sea.
Charlie, about the distance from the coast, it's not just the airport but also the approach and departure routes for the aircraft and holdings patterns to consider. They should also not be over land. Think about the low flying aircraft and the noise and pollution that they are trying to solve.
We need the Ijsselmeer for irrigation of our fields and to filter it for drinking water. And to fish our folk from places like Urk and Wieringen get very cranky when they can't fish...It is also the most central place of out country....The pollution of the airfield would poison us all. That is why we need to move the airfield...
It will also lessen the traffic and thus unburden the sites at Charles de Gaulle and Heathrow airport.
We don't want the airport near towns and cities. For various reasons like noise, polution, etc. Plus we don't want to sacrifice nature that is scarce already. So an airport in the north sea is the best option. As well for future planning in regards to housing and stuff.
Another reason it has to be build far from the coast is so called sand travel. Building a project like this will change sea current and there for also where the sea takes and brings sand. Wrong placement could result in the sea eating away on the coast.
@22:42 The goal of moving Schiphol Airport is to remove the pollution (moving it is no real solution) and the noise of constant planes taking of and landing to where it's less invasive for the densely populated Netherlands.
Note that the runways suggested in the more serious options, @01:18, and moreover, @01:20 and @01:23 are parallel to the coast line...
The goal is not to move it to the water. Your options would still be surrounded by urban areas, so...👴🤷♂
For safe airport operations the North Sea is not just a challenge…it is a hostile environment with extreme conditions for weather and birds. Airport operations are about predictability and robustness. Totally unachievable there. Ohh, the contractors can build it, no doubt there. But it will never be a safe place to operate.
This is indeed a jo-jo plan that ops up every 10-20 years. Fact is that area is filled up with huge wind farms now that combined with the shipping routes fills the place.
And the circular runways…planes are not build for centrifugal forces on their gear. This is a noobs wet dream..
Hey I liked your word Airporttologist, I embraced that for a long time, being one for 40+ years at Schiphol…thnxs Charley, good job!
When the houses were build, airoplanes were a rarity. when I was young, in the sixtees, We would point out airoplanes in the sky as they were not seen often. Nobody knw it became such a pest and that Schiphol would grow so much.
a airport at sea was indeed a possebilty, but nothing more than that. in 2020 the Dutch kabinet voted already against it, which means it will never be build.
Imagine you and your family will emigrate to the Netherlands and buy a house somewhere. Then, only a year after you're here they build an airport just on the other side of the road from your house.... You wouldn't like that, I guess. You won't be able to sell your house to anyone, because no-one wants to live so close to an airport. The worth of your house would fall to almost nothing while your mortgage would still be very high. Think about that before you say something like "just don't live so close to the airport".
I live in Amsterdam, and I must say: this sound like somebodies fantasy. The Netherlands and certainly Amsterdam and surroundings is one of the most densely populated and economically used area's in the World. Literally EVERY INCH has an inhabitant, economic use and destination plan. The amount of political upheaval about this plan would be unbelievable. This is not real...
Well, Schiphol is a bit insane for such a large urbanised area. Depending on the wind sometimes, but often planes come down and go up from 4 sides, and all lined up in the air, so every 30 seconds engines are roaring to slow them down or get up. So a normal conversation sitting in your garden isn't posstble in a 30 km radius often because of the noise 24-7. I know the Dutch complain a lot, but when you live there ........... people do get sick because of that actually. And you can't sell your house, for it is worthless by now, nobody wants it. So moving is often not an option.
they themselves chose to live there so they have no rights to complain!!! its just stupidly hilarious that they even have the stinking nerves to complain about the noise when they themselves went to live near schiphol !!!
I used to live close to Schiphol, you can claim 'well just don't live there' but that's BS I was born there and no one is paying you for moving away... also, it's a big commerce attractor so there is more work in close vicinity.
The thing is, it IS possible to live with the noise, IF your house is really well isolated. This is expensive.
Also, still doesn't help in the summer when you can't sit outside.
Our King is not celvernieuwing enough. He studied history
Your first pronunciation of meer was correct Charlie :)
Evidently, this is not a Dutch plan or idea. We ONLY do good idea's, remember?
IJselmeer is a fresh water reserve. In upcoming climate changes we'll need it. And if something to be build there it will be for housing.
I do not believe this is more then a case study. It certainly will never be build and in the Netherlands there is almost never any talk nowadays about this silly plan.
Because dutch don't have enough space. And the space they have ,they need it for grain, corn ect.
Come to our country , then you Will understand how small our country is. We have to be very creative in using the space we have.
I have lived under the most important Schiphol runway route for 5 years... The truth is, after a while you don't really notice it anymore. Same as living next to a railwayline..
It's right next to Amsterdam, the capital. Can't really expect people not to live there lol.
They shouldn't have made it the main hub airport for the entirety of europe. That should have been an airport further from urban areas.
Honestly, any country doing major dredging work would be stupid not to consult the Dutch.
Japans Kansai airport is on an artificial island that is sinking.
I live near the airport. Never heard anything about this plan. And I dont think people here complain that much about the sound. They complain about the amount of flights on a daily base. Not that the sound is the problem. But the polution is just terrible.
You know the funny thing is that it's a small group of people that complain a lot and not always were the complaints just. I worked at air traffic control and there were people that complained about the noise according to the schedule, even when the flight was like cancelled so there couldn't have been an airplane there at that time etc.
I really enjoy your videos about the Netherlands! If you ever need any help with translation or how to pronounce words, I can help you out ^^ Just a dutchie that lives in the best part of the netherlands, brabant.
Yeah, people that came living there were complaining. I said same thing, don't go living there. They don't build it there, because they got their reasons.. I guess. Otherwise they would have done it.
Our government have said they don't see anything in it until atleast 2050.
So it's not happening anytime soon
Extremely stupid idea, who wants to have more time and transit, to get where you want to be ?
I live in the Haarlemmermeer in Hoofddorp,
Is building the erea ful with houses and buildings better for nature than what it is now
If they would tax the kerosene the airplane is using (they still don't) the new airport would pay itself. If therefore planes keep away from Schiphol the problems will solve itself.
The Netherlands is small, airplane noise is the problem that's why they go so far from the coast (I think)
Yeah
Hi Charlie,
You show often videos about the Netherlands and sometimes about Belgium .Are you aware that there are a lot of wolves in the low countries.The last wolves in Belgium were shot by King Leopold I in 1845. Since the EU decided to put the wolves on the list of protected animals the wolves are back not only in countries like Austria and Germany but also in Belgium and The Netherlands. Several hundreds of sheep and also a few pony's and calves have been killed in this two countries. The last weeks there were a few minor incidents involving wolves and children near Urecht. I propose that you watch an item from the BBC news on you tube "Wild wolves return to Belgium after 100 years.
Greetings from Belgium.
We already have lelystad airport in flevoland ready to use
First of all, I don’t think this project is feasible, since we have many economic challenges that will and should get an higher priority.
I would like to add that The Netherlands is nothing like the US. We are the fifth densely populated country of the world (only taking countries into account with more than 1 million inhabitants, so not only 5th in Europe). So if you would move Schiphol, that is now located on land that was claimed from the sea that lies inland, you would make sure you don’t move it to a place it will become another problem in the next decades.
Further more there are very strict regulations where you can and cannot build. For most, if places you pointed out, the government will never give out a permit to build. That is why there is a huge shortage of housing and some people are on a waiting list for about 12 years.
1. 5th densely populated country in the world 2. Huge housing shortage 3. Very strict ruling for building new properties
Those three points make it challenging to build large projects. And since our population is still growing, we have to think about the future. Building outwards, would be the safest bet and frees up land for housing, so I totally understand their thought.
The noise complaints are not as easy as people like to portrait this. Schiphol has grown and wants to grow further, cities grow (towards Schiphol) and when you have a job close by, your friends and family live their and housing prices in Amsterdam are ridiculous high compared to other places where they are still high, due to shortage of houses. So it might not always be that easy to pick up your things and move.
And I also think it could help if houses would get double or triple glass and further proper isolation. Something the government has high on their list.
Cheers, Rick
Just bildt it, now I have herring plans landing at Schiphol. I can something see the number on the tail And Lelystad airport is olso the same distance. Greetings from Bunschoten-Spakenburg,the Netherlands.
they are 100% not doing this, first off its way to expensive, and were trying to root out flying in the netherlands. They keep upping the tax on flying.
The airport in Japan, keeps sinking in the sea. That's why it's unsuccesful.
I don't think it's a good idea. I live in Flevoland, and there are quit a lot of people who call Flevoland home. And it's right next door to the Ijsselmeer. So we would have lots of noise and enviormentall polution
There is airport in Lelystad.
What was the release date of this video? It feels like it was 01-04-....
Willem-Alexander der Nederlanden our King did specialise in water managment look on Wikipedia.
yeah that would be better a mill tulp are not realy from the dutch the grow them but the come from Turkey.
Tulips originate from Turkey and were only introduced in the Netherlands in the sixteenth century.
Japan has too many earthquakes, that's all... And about build it 12 km's into the sea is purely for the noise. Everybody thinks about ppl travelling, but Schiphol also does huge amounts of cargo-flights and airplane maintenance visible on any map of the area. The IJsselmeer, or rather the Markermeer they are naming wrong there is also largely a nature-reserve and on route of many many migrating birds. Connecting an off-shore airport to Amsterdam would be madness thou, the city is barely reachable during rush hour already and getting in (or out ) is horrid as we speak. p.s. Not only Amsterdam has a housing problem, it's a almost nationwide problem, and evil voices say the housing market likes it coz it keep house prizes higher then they are actually worth...
I doubt this will actually materialize with all the new regulations.
Dutch make dreams come true. And one day we make dokkerland too
My money is on "circeld" being a dutch misspelled version of circled
never heard of it but why build a new pier for 1,393 mln. EUR at schiphol to be opened in 2027 when there will be a new airport in the sea.
Why not build an airport in the Ijsselmeer?
Simple we already did it and its called Lelystad airport.
It was allowcated by politics to be upgraded and function as the major overflow airport for Schiphol.
This regional aerodrome was upgraded to a full modern airport so it could receive the most commen types of passenger aircraft.
Due to court rullings the permits to open and use of the airport was revoked and it became a white elephant airport. Only the original aerodrome flights permits are allowed to operate further.
So we have the absurd situation, were a non operational airport who operates as an aerodrome needs to be fully staffed due to international aviation laws and there is a serious shortage of staff at operational airports 🤦♂
Never underestimate politicians they are masters in FUBAR everything!
Living in De Randstad of The Netherlands; look at the map and draw a line between Amsterdam, Utrecht and Rotterdam: that's Randstad; the place in The Netherlands with the highest density of people of The Netherlands!) we always live more or less next to Schiphol or another local airport and so we will have to deal with the nasty consequences of Noise and Emission pollution. Over 60 Million passengers go through Schiphol airport every year, now how many take-offs and touch downs does it take for those 60 Million passengers to go through Schiphol airport? So the further away from where people live, the better it is and since The Netherlands is one of the highest dense countries cramped 18 Million people on such a small piece of land and the vast majority of all Dutch people live in the Randstad area so taking the entire Schiphol airport offshore as far away as possible from the mainland; the better it is.
And to answer 20kilovolt; there were cities all over De Randstad way sooner then the Schiphol airport was. So neither of us choose to go live next to an airport, we already lived here from generation to generation for ages and only 100 years ago; more or less, the green airfield was opened to the public after a few years being a military airfield. after WW2 the popularity grew exponentially in to a permanent air pollution (emission) and noise pollution problem it is now.
je vergeet den haag, den bosch, nijmegen, arnhem en amersfoort.
'rand' in randstad is een 'rand om het groene hart' en het plan is om de ruimte van die cirkel om het groene hart vol te bouwen totdat al die steden elkaar raken... tenminste, 35 jaar geleden was dat wat me verteld werd door de mensen die die plannen gemaakt hebben.
@@dawatcherz ehm, ok in de driehoek Amsterdam-Utrecht-Rotterdam liggen onder andere Haarlem, Leiden en ook Den Haag.
Maar Arnhem en Nijmegen behoren niet tot de Randstad en Den Bosch al helemaal niet. Over Amersfoort kunnen we het nog hebben. Men heeft 35 jaar geleden dus de verkeerde informatie verschaft.
could be a possibility in the IJsselmeer
There are no plans to move Schiphol
It goes for everything, if you want it done right.. let the dutch do it... But don't involve the dutch government ever.. 😂😂
Also connected by hyperloop, how elon 2018 😂
These airplanes are antic ...they are 75 year's the same...
Aalsmeer is a city not a lake.
I do not think any of these will be build. Schiphol today loses money, the only profit they make is out of property development around the airport. You cannot do that easy at sea.....
i heard that were not really making less money but that they were putting funds into other projects, reserving that money. and that this is why the amount at the bottom of the balance sheet is lower than it was a while ago.
it makes sense to me because it's not like the air traffic has dropped significantly, except ofcourse during the lockdowns.
do you know why it would be making a loss now? did taxes go up? maybe the co2 tax?
Isn't Kansai Airport sinking ? Bad example to compare since it sank 38 feet since it was inaugurated ... Not only that , it's floating away from the mainland further each year ! Proof of concept for a new Dutch airport ? Don't make me laugh.
I love you, but I do not want a Schiphol in my backyard since the town I live in lies happily and above all; peacefully at the Ijsselmeer. Plus it's a nice recreational era and important for fishing and agriculture. I'm pretty sure all the other Ijsselmeer towns wouldn't want this either, so don't give those bureaucrats in Den-Haag any ideas🤗.
Dear Sir, it is very disadvantageous if you constantly pause to tell your thoughts while you do not yet know why, while the IJsselmeer is not suitable for it, it is namely the largest freshwater lake and therefore a drinking water supply. Then also the fact that Schiphol is not in Amsterdam but in Aalmeer. The 12 km from the coast is namely there so that it cannot be seen from the mainland, we do not want any more horizon pollution, the windmills do that too much.
If you want to watch the video without interruptions, you can always look for the original video. This is a reaction channel. It would be weird watching a guy just watching an entire video, right?
@@anouk6644 if you try to explain things okay, but it must be correct and if not, check it first I also added facts, you do not respond to that. Kind regards J. Bonte
It's pronounced skiphol sch as in school.
meer is pronounced just like the english mere in merely
the ijsselmeer is not that easy and can be very spooky in bad weather plus i think the envirement activist are against it because of the fish and a lot of places around the lake and it s very swallow water with a storm it s crazy there, it s like schiphol with al the places surround so that is not a good idea i guess and it s used by a lot of jachtpeople who sail there in the hollidays, i also thiink that is protected area
but the king is a airline pilot 😀
NOW PLANES BUT TRAINS !!!!!!!!!!!
This looks to me like a april 1 joke!!!
This is not in the planning
Aalsmeer is a city
2:55 Dutch Republic??
I am Dutch, this is BS
No the want to have it not anymore in a close to populated area
are you still in the US ?? 2 years ago you sayed you wanna to move to netherlands so what is going on whit that ????
I do want to, but we can't all have what we want... Life issues and family/finances keep me stuck for now but I don't plan on being in the USA forever, I Will move to Europe one day... Maybe not soon but it's something to look forward to and dream about, even if it's not an option right now
This narrator can also be heard on some youtube channel narrating scify stories irritating voice wether it is a real voice or A.I
This will never happen
He is not clever enough
The current King is a funny story. As a teenager he started to study at the prestigious Leiden University and then suddenly disappeared to an obscure university in the UK to finish his “study”.
His theses is still under embargo 😂😂
The Ijsselmeer is the biggest source of drinking water in The Netherlands That is the problem no airport there. We have Lelystad Airport ass an extention on Schiphol airport, not gonna happen, deu too Politics and environment issus. We ar an in and Export nation we need Rotterdam seaport and Schiphol for that .Politics want too make Schiphol smaller not bigger anymore, new gouverment new plans I hope!
You are right, people are going to live naar the airport and then complain about the noise.
Schiphol has been there for over 100 years, long before any of these complainers where born. What's next? Complaining about seawater on the beach?
for get it ,with der milieu burdensome airport