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Wood Turning - Captive Ring Tool Demonstration
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2012
- A demonstration on how I form and release a wooden ring, for use on projects like goblets and babies rattles, using a captive ring tool. I hope you find it of some use.
Bought a captive ring tool a few months ago and couldn't get it to work, even following the instructions that came with it. They were a bit ambiguous. I discover this demo and suddenly it all makes sense! Also, you're right about the smaller tool.
You can only make very small rings with it. Many thanks Mike, I'm only glad I didn't throw the tool away!
Glad to be of service David, I had the same problems when I first had mine.....nearly turned it it a square end scraper!....lol
Take care and Happy New Year
Mike
i have the 3 peace set and used the 1/2 to make a rattle for my great grandaughter, i thought it was eazy too use . i wish they had a file opption on hear id love to show you a picture, happy turning
you give a good explanation of your work as you do it. as a new turner, you and carl j. are two of my favorites. thanks.
Thanks Wakely. That's very kind of you to say so.
Take care
Mike
Brilliant Mike, I had several questions about this tool and you answered all of them in you video. I will now invest in one and get it sent out to me in Thailand. Many thanks, Chris
My pleasure Chris, let me know how you get on.
Take care
Mike
Mike I have made 3 Irish wedding goblets in my turning career and gave up on then. Your video has given me inspiration to try again thanks
Hi Denis, that is great to hear.
take care
Mike
Thanks Mike. I know its an old video, but have just bought three different sized Robert Sorby Captive ring chisels, at a good price. Did not have a clue how to use them, but you explained it perfectly. Cheers mate.
Glad to be of service Paul 🙂
You really have a gift for explaining things like the captive ring tool. Sorry to hear about your illness and hope it leaves as quickly as it came. I had purchased the smaller ring tool prior to watching your viedo. Wish I'd seen it first. As you said the small one is just to small. Anyway thanks again and best wishes from Salem Oregon.
Great video. Clear, concise description. Thanks Mike.
Thanks Gary much appreciated.
Thank you, I'm glad you found it of some use, the back edge would come into play with a broader "ring", in fact I have made some of these broader rings, and the back edge forms the outside curve, with very light pressure, it's quite effective.
Take care
Mike
Oh yeah, sure, now you show me how to do this AFTER I already tried captive rings on the baby rattle!
Seriously, good job. Can't wait to see the 3 ring goblet. I have a sense that you will get into segmented turning too. Just a hunch, I could be wrong.
Glad your back.
Brett
I got 5 rings cut this afternoon, using the 10mm tool, I was really cooking, then as I was smoothing out the stem with the skew I got a catch. The rings were no longer captive as the foot and the bowl of the goblet were at opposite ends of the shop. Nil desperandum though, I'll give it another go tomorrow. The stem finishing is of interest though. Thanks Mike.
Well done on the five rings Gareth. I have never understood the logic with catches, they never happen in the beginning of a project, always, but always, towards the end.
Thanks for the support mate
Take care
Mike
PS - Let me know how the re run goes :)
I appreciate your video on a specific topic.
Great Job
Alan
Thanks Bill, glad you found it of use. Tell your builder to forget moving, until your new workshop is built.....;)
Take care
Mike
Great video thanks Mike. I'm going to try one of those tools one day! Right now I'm hooked on bowls.
Thank you, they are great for the job they are designed to do.
Take care
Mike
Mike Waldt Mike, after watching this video a second time I decided to pick one of the ring tools up. Going to give it a try in the next few days.
Thanks for the demonstration and also thanks for recommending what size to buy!
Thanks Again
Al
woodentouch Let me know how you get on Al.
Cheers
Mike
I am a very new turner. RUclips is the only form of instruction that I have had. I don't know anyone else who turns wood, so this is the only place I know to get instruction. Personally, I prefer for the person making the video to explain whats happening instead of playing music or just the sound of the tool scraping against the wood. I'll take whatever advice I can get. I appreciate your comments for us newbies. Haven't seen any better videos from totch.
Thanks very much for your video.....You have just sold me to go and purchase a set of these ring tools.Cheers, Mark.
Thank YOU for watching Mark, they are handy tools to have.
Cheers
Mike
Your video continues to be the go to captive ring video, thank you kind sir! Subbed
Thank you much appreciated.
Thanks Mike. Great video. Just waiting for my ring tool to come in. As always you make it look easy.
+Brian Sinclair
It takes a little practice, but not too much thankfully Brian. Let me know how you get on with it.
Take care
Mike
Excellent video, I was looking for s place to start for a Manufacture of a ring tool and found it here. thanks.... as always very helpful ....
+Cw Hussey
Thank you CW, glad to be of service Sir! :)
Take care
Mike
That was the most helpful video I have seen yet Thanks for posting it
Great video Mike, I really need to get one of these tools.
Take care,
Carl
I have seen captive rings as small as one half inch in diameter and extremely delicate. I have never been able to finish the inside of the ring as smooth as I wanted it.
Mike. What can I say? Many thank's for a excellent video. I am just now getting back into wood turning, So am looking for many idea's and how too's, This has been 1 of the best I have seen. Again many thank's....
Thank you for your kind words, and concern Frank, they are both really appreciated. Like you I found out the hard way, only I got the two of them at the same time, and have only used the small one once!
Take care
Mike
Great video! Thanks Mr. Mike. FYI, I too enjoy a clean shop!
Thank you Meg, I don't clean the corners that often, and there is the odd spiders web in the rafters, but I like to keep the immediate working area as clean as I can ;)
Take care
Mike
I've found that by turning the shaft (on which the rings run) to a smaller diameter, I can use a miniature parting tool to do most of the undercutting because it leaves more room. Then I can finish off using a handled piece of sharpened tool steel ground to a slight 'hook' to get right under the body of the ring to part it off. Not as nice to look at as the captive ring tool, but it gets me by. Thanks for uploading this, Mike.
Regards,
Derek.
Well explained procedure Mike, I'll have to get myself one of those Captive Ring Tools.
when I get my new shop, The start of which has been delayed till July because my builder is moving house.
Take Care
Bill
hi mike, just love your demo`s very informative, you bring a lot of pleasure i`m sure to a lot of begginners, must say do prefer you talking rather than the music
Thanks Gary, appreciate your honesty, I don't use music now at all, wasn't sure which way to go in the beginning :)
Take care
Mike
Thanks Doc. Great idea about the two rings, I'll think about that! Totally agree regarding the speed for forming beads, which I hasten to add, I would normally do :).
Take care.
Mike
Great idea Robbie, I'll do that with the smaller one, and see how it goes. Thanks again
Cheers
Mike
I had no idea this tool existed. Just made my first captive ring using a tiny spindle gouge and a skew.
There are many ways to get the same result :)
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike.. This Video answered many question I had. Very informative....
I checked out the video....mind blowing stuff...great find, thanks for sharing it.
Cheers
Mike
A little bit wordy, but good information! Been thinking of making something but now I can buy one. Love The Sandpaper idea
Great video. Loads of useful info!
Thanks that was very interesting. I will have to invest in the right tool. Thanks again. Brian. From Dover
Brian Gill Thanks Brian, glad you found it of some use.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike , I shall be practicing these with my new captive ring removal tool some time this week in the shed, nice informative video mate ! Cheers for now Bram.
+Brams shed
Hope you get on OK with your new tool Bram, they are a very useful tool for undercutting mushroom caps as well :)
Take care
Mike
+Mike Waldt Thanks Mike, Had a practice go yesterday and it didn't go to badly ,it took a few times to sort of get the knack of it but to be honest I think I should have got the larger of the two models to start off with, however I shall keep practicing and hopefully make the first captive ring goblet soon.........if all go's well ! Cheers for now mate Bram
Thanks Brett, I'm pleased that you enjoyed it. You may well be right regarding the segmented thing, always fancied having a go at it.
Take care buddy
Mike
Hi Mike I can remember first time round but that's ok as I got a ring tool from Bedford saw and tools the other month just got me up to speed thanks.have a Merry Christmas and a great New year
That sounds like a good solution Derek, the next one I do, I'll reduce the stem thanks for the advice.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Phil, glad you found it of interest.
Take care
Mike
Thanks Carl, it certainly is a great tool, when mastered properly ( which I haven't yet) I'm sure it will prove invaluable.
Cheers
Mike
Glad you found the video useful Brian, thanks for the tip re the pen captive ring.
Also thanks for the sub too
Take care
Mike
Thanks Alan, glad you liked it.
Cheers
Mike
Found you vid really helpful. Thank you 😊
Glad it was helpful!
I very much appreciate the tips like the size of the tool, creating a proper shoulder approach, and withdrawal of the tool.it is very ear to get a groove on the top of the ring form the back edge of the semicircle tool if not careful. In fact I wonder why the back point of the semicircle isn’t filed down as it doesn’t appear to assist in any cutting and may just be a liability. Thanks for demonstrating care and patience in turning, I definitely need that lesson as well. Cheers.
Hi Louis, a very valid point you make, thank you.
Take care
Mike
Glad you found it of use.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks for the instruction now I will practice
Thanks for watching Graham. Stay safe my friend.
Thanks! I'm happy that you found it helpful.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks. Very helpful.
Hi Duck, glad you found it enjoyable.
Take care
Mike
Mike, I just found this one. Thanks for the plug. I don't think this is on my article on CBN wheels. There are 'cleaning' sticks available for the wheels. They are a much harder version of aluminum oxide than standard grinding wheels. I tried one out on my D Way wheels, and it cleaned off the sludge from my sloppy wet wood I turn. I think it is also handy if you load up your wheel from grinding soft/non hardened steel on them. It did send a lot of dust into the air, and didn't make any difference in how the wheels cut.
robohippy Thanks for the tip Reed, I appreciate it. What I can't work out is how your comment is on this video, and not on my CBN wheel review....the one I gave you the shout out on...lol.
Take care
Mike
Mike Waldt Oops! must have hit the wrong button when finding the CBN wheel clip.... I am fine in the shop, but lost outside the shop... Must have hit an arrow for next or previous clip. I will try to move it over there..... or post again.
robohippy Not a problem mate, don't worry.
Cheers
Mike
PS - I'm glad I'm not the only one that does things like that ;)
Good and excellent advice
Thanks Johann.
thanks Mike this video really helped me use this tool properly.
p.s if you make a wooden pen it looks really nice with a captive ring on the end of it
Nice one Mike! I enjoyed it indeed.
Hi Silva, thanks for watching, I'm afraid that won't be possible.
Take care
Mike
awesome video! Thank you so much and super like it. I did not hit the like button because I do not like the number it creates for total likes. Cant wait to try this thank you so much sir.
Thanks Glen.
Very useful and nicely done! Thank You!
Good stuff Mike. I am going to finish that goblet that's on the lathe now off because I'm sick looking at it but I also want to try another way of using that tool that I've been thinking about. Probably completely wrong but it's worth a try on waste wood. More later.
Best Wishes, Brendan.
Hey Mike, I saw your video in the morning, but then I had to jet--couldn't make a comment right away. I just wanted to say that this is an excellent demo! Great job!
Cheers
Jake
Thanks for your encouraging comment, and support.
Take care
Mike
Gracias por su demostracion e intentre esto pronto,david
My pleasure Andrew
Take care
Mike
I should have watched this video and Brandon's before venturing into mine LOL, Great tutorial Mike.
+Al Furtado (Rebel Turner)
Thank you Al, practice and mistakes I have found are the best way to go, and believe me I still am, and always will make lots of mistakes, and continually practice ;)
Take care my friend
Mike
Wonderful demo Mike.
Thanks Dave
Take care
Mike
Mike I want you to know. I watched your video and went to my shop. I prepared a tool that is similar to the one you are using and cut my granddaughter a rattle. I started with a test piece. The first 2 rings had a catch and gave me a start. The third was a success. Then I made a rattle with 3 rings. Thanks again.
Dave Bardin my pleasure Dave, glad you managed to get the hang of it. great job, and well done Sir :)
Take care
Mike
Well done thanks again ........
Thanks for the input Deadly.
Cheers
Mike
Thank you very much for this video! I've been thinking about getting myself one of those tools, so now I know that I want to chose the larger one. I've been doing a couple with my skew but for me the skew is still kinda scary .. hehe .. well just a point from watching your video it doesn't seem to matter much about the "back edge" of the tool doesn't get used any way so all you really need is that front hook .. not sure that made sense .. hmm.. well thanks for sharing .. and have a good one
Hi Dana, in short it's down to personal preference, when I do rings I eyeball the proportions, and if it works for me, it's OK! With the method of forming captive rings, again I'm afraid my advice is use what you feel does the job. My first attempts I used the long point of a skew chisel, i'm not sure if the bead forming tool will undercut the ring adequately, but if it does, it should be fine.
Take care
Mike
My pleasure, thanks for watching. Glad to hear that your returning to turning...moan moan ;).
Take care
Mike
Hey there! Great video, very helpful! Any chance you could list the tools you used and their sizes? I'm having some trouble finding one of them.
Thanks Haylee they are Crown captive ring tools.
thanks for the video.
is it possible with the captive ring tool to simultaneously turn a bead on the inside rather than just a flat? i was hoping this, but it doesn't look like it.
Unfortunately I've never managed to get out round underneath without sanding.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Richard
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Thor
Take care
Mike
Hi Jeff, and welcome to our crazy world mate. I appreciate your comments and support, and if ever I can help, just PM me.
Take care, and enjoy you new pass time
Mike
Mike, great video, I'm a newbie and made a rattle for a co-worker without the captive ring tool, what a pain. The idea about putting sand paper on the center spindle and moving the ring around it is brilliant, I had a hell of a time hand sanding the center. What brand tool did you use? I'm looking at purchasing, but I see a lot of left or right hand tools, but not both like yours. Thanks again for this great video!
Thanks Glenn, the tool is made by Crown, and I got it from Axminster Tools here in the UK. Here's the link :
www.axminster.co.uk/crown-captive-ring-tools
Cheers
Mike
Glad you liked it. The wood was a waste bit of branch I had lying around, no idea what it was I'm afraid :(.
Cheers
Mike
Not rude at all Thor, I contracted Bells Palsy about 9 weeks ago (2013), which is a partial paralysis, it is on the mend now though.
Take care
Mike
Neat video thanks! Just wondering as to the wood species? It looks very similar to a peice that I had from one of those umbrella type garden trees… never figured out what it was actually called. Thanks, Jamie
Hi Mike, thanks again for replying your appreciation.I was wondering if you could give me some tips on making Russian Dolls.I am waiting for my set of ring chisels to arrive from Germany, so I cant do the goblet with rings on it yet.....Hence, why I thought about having ago with the dolls.Look forward to your reply.Cheers again, Mark
+Mark Stephenson
Hi Mark...never done one mate...but I thin there are a coos of good videos on the process. Sorry I can't be of any help.
Cheers
Mike
I like to explain things for the new turners, ah well can't please everyone.
Take care
Mike
Mike, 2 questions, what size do you shoot for when doing your captive rings? 3/8 of a inch ? for your standard size goblets. And what do you think of using bead forming tool for the captive rings. Thanks in advance for your response.
Hi, where is this tool from please? think I might have missed it. I found a Robert sorby one but it’s different to the one you used. Thanks
Hi Simon, the tool I use in this video is made by Crown Tools.
I'm wondering if you could explain why there is a second edge on your captive ring tool? From your video it seems to just be in the way. Why wouldn't the tool just be a hounds tooth? I'm just starting turning and am no pro. Thanks
I don't quite understand the question Mac ... sorry.
You cut your captive ring with the edge farthest from your hand. I was wondering why the edge closer to your hand is maintained? Could you remove it and open the space so one tool could work on any size ring? Sorry for not being clear previously. Thanks
To get the inside of the rings smooth is a real pain, it just takes time to get it right. I have only managed two projects that I was really happy with the result. Unfortunately I find the only way that I can achieve a good result, is to finish off the sanding by hand! Not something I enjoy at all.
Cheers and take care.
Mike
Mike
Hi Mike, appreciating your video's from the NL here. I'm working toward picking up wood turning as a hobby and your videos, along with Yuval's, have contributed to my theoretical knowledge most.
Concerning the ring, I'm not sure how round you'd get it with this tool, but when the rings are used with a goblet, for example, would it perhaps not be easier (or rather, would it be doable) to leave the standing bit of wood that will become the ring alone, and trim down to stem width first, and then use a gouge to round off the edges, including the inside ones, until you part the wood? The rest of the stem could then be trimmed with the ring moved aside without the need for a specific tool?
Keep up the awesome work,
Looking forward to more educational video's,
Kind regards,
RJT
+Terah
Hi, and thanks for your kind words, and support. This is just one method, and there are several others which are just as effective. The best way to find what suits you, when you start to turn, is experiment, and discover the way you feel happiest with. part of the enjoyment is trying different methods, in my opinion :)
Take care, and thanks for watching and commenting.
Mike
Great! Thanks for sharing!:)
+PolishWoodturner
A pleasure, and thank you for watching.
Take care
Mike
fyi the round part of the ring tool is too make your ring round all around inside and "out"
Thanks for your input Greg must appreciated.
Thanks Brendon. I look forward to finding out what your trying, and hope its successful.
I assume its got nothing to do with the 2016 Olympics....LOL.
Take care
Mike
ok thanks, appreciate it.
Very good video on use of a captive ring tool, was it really six years ago?
Thanks
James
Thanks James ... doesn't time fly mate!
Cheers
Mike
Gotta get on of those tools. I just hope the make them small enough for me. My spinning tops are rarely bigger than 1" *g*
So, after i saw your video i got hooked and went in search for more and found a turning video of a goblet with 22 rings. Wow!
I don't know how to link to other videos here, so just search for "gabzzzro2006 The Lord of the Rings" and it should be the first.
Hi Mike, any directions on how to DIY this tool? Good job there and nice catch at 7:30 :-)
Hi Zara, there are videos on making them from Allen Keys/Wrenches, and yes that catch caught me by surprise ... as they always do ;)
Take care
Mike
Thanks Robbie! TEN DAYS...you better get your arse in gear and finish mate, or it'll get welded to the headstock!!!...lol
Cheers
Mike
What speed do you use the tool at
Hi Dave, around 1000rpm is fine, sliwer if you prefer.
Hi Mike Nice demo, just a question.
Why both edges need to be sharpen if you are using only the top one.
Thanks
Hi Ricardo, you need both edges honed equally, as you use both, because you go in from the left, and the right. Thanks for the question.
Take care
Mike
Thanks Mike but in your demo you did not use both you just turn the tool and use the same edge, the top one both side of the tool. correct ?
I think that if there are 3 sizes of that tool, the turner should make room with the parting tool and then form the ring with the whole edge from tip to heel, without the spindle gauge.
Please do not take this in a wrong way I just want to make this thing clear for You, Me and all the others.
Thanks.Ricardo.
Ricardo Tisnes Ah I see what you mean now, I misunderstood you my friend, my apologies.
Ricardo Tisnes I think your right Ricardo, to be honest I have not used the tool since that video was made, nearly two years ago, as I have been trying to learn so many other things. I will employ your suggestion, which I'm sure will work, and let you know what kind of results I get. It will be a little while though. I really appreciate your input, that is the reason for all my videos, to encourage others to start turning, and also to pass on their suggestions and ideas.
I for one would never be offended by a constructive idea, or criticism.
Thanks again for taking the time to comment.
Take care
Mike
I was thinking model motorcycle tires.
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I would like to see the video in Portuguese (Brazil) will be that it would be possible, thanks
Mike, who makes that tool ? Thanks
martkt10
It's made by Crown Tools Mart.
Cheers
Mike