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They Lied About This Mini PC | Minisforum EM680 Mini PC RYZEN R7 6800U 32GB DDR5 1TB SSD
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2023
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I bought one of these for my wife. The fan went bad within a month and now screeches loudly. I reached out to Minisform and haven't heard back in 2 months. It isn't even a standard size fan, so I can't just replace it. Never had trouble with any other mini pcs before, but yeah, stay away from this one unless you have a very specific size requirement and want to gamble.
That’s the worst part of these kinds of systems using very non standard parts. Fan replacements are a huge pain. You’re pretty much out of luck if a seller on Aliexpress isn’t supplying replacement fans. The fact that this system has two tiny fans means if they fail you’re pretty much SOL.
yeah support is terrible from all these chinese companies stay away
@TayarMeletup99 nope
i have the same SSD fan issue with my unit as well. pretty much a pain in the A$$. otherwise it's a great little machine.
Happy to finally see a honest reviewer in the minipc world. I loved your minipc holiday shopping video. It is the only video on RUclips comparing the pros and cons of the different minipc in each budget. Good luck with your channel. Hope it picks up cause we the consumers need someone on our end too!!
Thanks for addressing this. I didn't expect this to be massively powerful because Notebookcheck had benchmarked it and they didn't give it high game scores, but I didn't understand why.
It actually suits my use case - office work with a bit of WoT - but there's always the temptation to do more.
Good luck in the New Year!
Unfortunately being a tech influencer is easier than being a tech reviewer. Thanks for the honest review!
A very interesting piece at a key moment, for me. I was watching a channel where the best mini pc's of 2023 were featured. This one came up and on the whole, definitely very impressive for how much was packed in to such a small space.
It made me go back and watch the original review, where games were at the fore of the demonstrations, noting that for the processor in the box, the gaming didn't seem to match the expectation especially from having seen reviews of other machines of the same ilk. Aalso not seemingly noted by the reviewer.
And then, half an hour later, I spotted this video and it all made sense.
I do agree that the Minisforum statement was rather weak and meaningless, unless they were to do two things. 1. Send a 100w power supply with all future orders and 2. Offer a 100w power supply to existing customers at cost, therefore offsetting some of the criticisms with at least an earnest offer. I'm sure that vouchers for ocally sourced sites could be sent to help.
Just want to chim in here since I have one myself - exact 32GB variant.
The default BIOS - locked 15W total when both CPU and GPU are in used. Locked 28W total when only CPU is hit. This is pretty strange when I load up Linux and see that when gaming, the damn thing only clock the CPU from 400-1400Mhz. And GPU only take about 8W max. In short, pretty crap for how it is shown on other reviewers.
Turn out running the "special" BIOS make it even more special.
Running a game now the whole packages run up to 28W. Look pretty normal. Until I tested to run a very light 2d games unlocked framerate - it draws like 20W. How the hell so? Turn out the GPU part is locked at 15W MAX, REGARDLESS of the CPU load.
A laptop and an AYN Loki I have both use 6800U. They don't do that. CPU+GPU=TDP set. So 3W CPU + 30W TDP leave 27W for GPU to use. Essentially dynamic allocation of power between the CPU and GPU as long as the max TDP is reach. The EM680 however, just statically split 15W to the GPU part. It's craptastic. CPU always has 0 to max TDP.
The worst part is that on default or special unlocked BIOS, the cpu temp never even pass 75C under gaming load.
Buyer beware. This video drives an important point- if one chooses to spend money based on YT videos, accepting risk is on the person deciding to make the purchase. That is how life works. Great job on your video
Almost bought the damn thing a few months ago, got luckily an ROG Ally instead. Thanks for the honest review!
Really diggin the honest review here, thanks! Was about to pull the trigger on this mini and then saw your video - can't wait for the follow up with the updated bios etc.
We need more opinion videos like this from tech reviewers giving us their honest opinions on hardware just like what you're doing.
Thank you for the information here: The last PC I built for myself I built before my 10yo son was born - a 2500k based system - and it is on its last legs in so many ways so this EM680 looked to be for me ( emulation, office, photo editing ) a pretty good fit, one that I could hook up to our family room TV and enjoy a game with my son on as well every now and then. Looks like I will be ordering a 100W GaN..
Or maybe return it as the EU rep told me after I ordered an EM680 32/1tb off Amazon they are expecting a replacement model any day now. Z1?
Currently waiting for the video to process, but the test of the updated bios will be up soon so you can see how big the uplift is in gaming. For CPU workloads there no difference since it already ran CPU only at its 30W TDP. The gains are very nice all around for gaming tho.
What is the lie exactly? 30W TDP in bios is for combined CPU+GPU. Power usage will vary according to Game. Did you test with furmark?
Excellent review and thank you! I was considering one of these, but not any more!
That Bios Update & Adapter Did Wonders for me as an Early adopter.
but the last thing i need a fix for is that DREADFUL SSD FAN they opted to use.... when there's so much more easy to replace ones on the market.
the pin is different even thou it's a simple 1 inch 5V fan.
the pricing of mini pc is very interessting at the moment, more the differences and changes. Here I've got flooded with offers, reduced plus coupon. I've only wanted a very budget version of a Mini PC, like N100 or N95, which were about 200 Euro. At the end I've got the best deal I've seen in my area with a bit over 200 Euro. 5560U 16gb/512gb. Best deals for 5700U and 5800U were about 310 Euro/330 Euro. And now you can't get a 5560U with the same specs below 330 Euro. (incl. VAT)
Honestly? I thought I was missing out because I chose to custom build a low profile lan box instead of getting a mini pc, but now that I see this, I'm glad I went that route. Everything's in my control, and I can customize it further if needed without putting any of the components at risk
So how did the other reviewers got the MSI Afterburner to show 27-28W TDP while gaming ? Also, if you look at your GPU utilization in the display, it is not at 90%+ for a long time. In the CS2 part f.e, it is mostly at or below 50%, so 15W TDP would not surprise me at that level. Can you load it with a longer running synthetic (Unigine and the like) without FSR and other crutches ?
Somehow you are about the first one I have seen to mention the issue. Most of the EM680 reviews I saw were fairly consistent in the results ...
@@dualpapayas it's a U chip with cTDP of 15 to 28W, default being 15. What do you think happens whem the BIOS is set to AUTO? Also ETA_PRIME always maxes the TDP in all his tests, he even shows it with CPU-Z and stress tests so you can see ...
Thanks alot for this review! There is a real hype for those Mini PCs and alot of shallow reviews. Those are mostly running meaningless benchmarks and a couple of games in best conditions. One of those was the UM690... It had heating problems which you get after playing games 1-2 hours. No one mentions this fact. At least Minisforum is listening to the customer, so they updated it and the UM690S was released. So thanks for the truth about this tiny pc. Now with the updates bios i am afraid about the cooling capacity of this machine as it was not purposed for long gaming sessions at higher TDP. I am looking forward to your next review!
I got a review unit of the em780 version of this. The TDP issue seems to be fully resolved with the newer model containing The 7840u. I absolutely love the new version, but yes. The 6800u version of this PC is hot garbage.
That’s fantastic to hear. It’s a shame the way this model was released was such a disaster.
Hello, thanks for the review! Just bought mine from 3 days ago! Too bad I am only seeing this video now! I have 2 questions: 1- The new BIOS is availble at the time of speaking, I set the TDP to 54W. Is it mandatory to find a 100W power adapter then? 2- I am planing to add an eGPU to this mini-PC for gaming, does that kinda solve this issue?
SIR!!! YOU HAVE A VALID COMPLAINT!!! If Minisforum Sold the PC on the Basis of the Published Statistics, THEN, It must Perform as Such, OUT OF THE BOX!!!
Minisforum Should Have Supplied With The Appropriate PSU and Default Bios Setting.
You Have Been DECIEVED!!!
By Minisforum and Their Associates!!!
I am looking for a compact mini 6800U or better depending on cost. What DO you recommend that has the most power for the cost for light gaming (emulation such as MAME using shaders )? Fast base clock is good for emulation, RAM and storage not an issue, can be small.
Ill buy a mini pc when it comes with at least a 7840u and 7900m xt. I was hoping minisforum was going to do it but according to them (i messaged them on facebook), they were going to make it but they made the xtx instead.
For performance, I’ve found the 780XTX and 790 Pro are the way in this AMD type of packaging. Fair point on the PSU.
Thanks for am honest Review, I was mislead by etaPrime and end up disappointed and having to return the unit, I will be waiting to see the comparison, happy holidays!
funny cause mine works a1 i game like doom eternal ok at low setting and still get (75 -110 ) fps ,not bad for a lower end mini pc .happy with it 😁
I was thinking of hacking one of these up and shoving it into an old broken gamegear, to make sort of a jankdeck :)
I'm one of those who bougth one of this minisforum after seeing the recomendations in the ETA PRIME channel. Good for me that i bougth it on amazon and i've just returned it. Thanks a lot for your honest review, you've got a new subscriber ;)
You buy anything to replace it?
@@ChicagoPaul2020 Im thinking on buying an ally right now. It's 649e in my country. It can also be used in desktop mode.
Wow! Great video i have a em680 in my amazon cart but with this better buy a beelink ser 6 max...
So, should we lobby them for a free upgrade to a 100W PSU?
Or ask for a free EM780 (coming out in a few days) upgrade?
Well I see some product that do some switching around. But there high chance it random or lottery chips. But it good people will know and review and check if worth buying the mini pc. Someone time number does not matter as long it stable.
yeah these mini pcs are a trap, i bought one for my nephew just early this year and it broke on him 15 days later, it didnt last a month and the only thing that he was doing was playing roblox.
yeah there are many shills that will try to entice you to buy crap and arent honest about the crap they are selling. they get money from all these companies and in some cases free products too
Thanks for the video/info. Does the EM780 have the same problem (with stock power adapter)? Thanks
not sure, I would need to get one in for testing. I doubt Minisforum is gonna wanna send a review sample to me after these videos 😅
@@EVOTech1 🫢😂
Got Um790pro fan got super bad after one week of light use ... Trying to find out the solution,no support from Minisforum , btw noticed a huge flaw with the desighn . The way that thing is build makes it unuseable in some cases becuse of positioning of Bluetoth and WiFi antenas if your router is on the wrong side of this mini PC your internet speed wil go close to zero mb/s , same thing with BT i got my minisforum fixed to the wall behind TV and im getting range of aprox 2m , honestly for that money huge disapointment , I do not recomend minisforum to anybody ...
FINALLY someone who tells the TRUTH. ...... SUBSCRIBED!
Honest question: Why would someone buy such a tiny PC and expect it to be a good gaming computer?
Thx for ure Reviews
Gonna be honest that right now for a Mini-PC I think their XTX is the best buy for gamers because of the 780 plus the Occulink port and the price barebones.
A lot (most?) of channels that review them seem to have got them for free which would subconsciously make the reviewers more forgiving of shortcomings.
then it isn't reviews but merely just ads... ETA prime is bad with that and doesn't compare the various models either... they are all "wonderful" according to him... only useful to see what is new/upcoming but don't rely on him for real reviews...
Which brands do you recommend?
I think a blanket recommendation for a brand is not a good move. Pretty much every company will have good products and bad products. In general, all Beelink systems I’ve tried have been solid without any issues. I have had also good luck with GMKtec. I wouldn’t even say Minisforum is bad as I love the UM780 XTX, but their UN1245 and EM680 were big letdowns.
@@EVOTech1 Yeah my problem is why Beelink won't post BIOS updates on their website. Kind of leaves a big question mark in my mind as why people say you have to reach out to them directly. Something seems up with that as any mainstream manufacturer has no problem sharing their updates.
Yeah I have seen them claim on their forums that they don't want customers bricking their systems. I actually messaged them about getting a bios update for the SER7 since i ran into an issue that will be mentioned in the upcoming video. They emailed me a link to the bios download on gdrive, with some instructions on how to update it. It was a very convoluted way of updating it since i had to format a USB drive with a specific name and put the files into it in a specific way then try to boot off it. it brings up a very generic AMI bios update screen and it runs through the flashing process. Very odd all around. I don't think it's anything malicious but it seems like since they just use the generic AMI made BIOS screens, they probably dont have any UI based Flashing tool like other more established brands. They just use the very generic and basic AMI flashing utility that would probably freak out most normal users. I imagine they don't want to pay for a custom bios UI, they dont want to deal with customers somehow messing up the flashing process and bricking their systems then having to warranty them, AND they don't want to set up an automatic verification system where you need input your SN number and product ID to get the proper file link. It's still very annoying having to go through customer support just to get a bios file. if you need a fix, you have to wait potentially days for a response to get a bios made 4 months ago that fixed the issue but you had no way of getting it without the CS Rep. If Beelink goes under, all we can rely on is users backup these bios files to share with others. it's insanely dumb.
@@EVOTech1 You are making me wish Framework made a AMD mini-PC for those who don't want a laptop screen and then we can have a proper parts infrastructure underway.
@@XVa-uj8m this would be a dream come true. I wish at least one mini PC manufacturer would commit to support and parts availability the same way Valve has done with the steam deck. The fact that you can go onto iFixit and get any replacement part for the deck means systems are gonna be usable well into the future. The fact that replacement parts are available outside of Valve means that even if valve shuts down, the parts are still floating around somewhere, not just sitting in a valve wearhouse waiting to be scrapped. I’m still skeptical about the long term of framework but goddamn do I want them to succeed. If they can start branching out into mini PCs I’d be a day one supporter (as long as the product is actually good, of course)
Do they have a 780M version?
This is true, it has lots of bad reviews already. I have UM460 and it was not stable in Linux, thats why I was concerned in the first place
noticed some fancy and prime youtubers spreading lies due to sponsoring arrangements with funny companies. They just look like QVC Channel models sellers 😂😅
Great infos! Than you!
I have this unit too and it's been very problematic.... I was hoping to sell my HAdes Canyon NUC when I got this, but I daren't as; this unit is so..twitchy. I bought the GPD G1 eGPU to use with it, and a certain channel (a..PRIME channel lets say) showed the pairing working fine with the EM680 being powered by the eGPU..well nope, the 680 clicks off before it gets to the desktop as the eGPU now doesn't supply enough power due to bios updates of the 680..even when i reverted back. I really want the 780 XTX so I can use Occulink with the eGPU, but I'm abit scared of buying another minisforum at this point...
Its a 200 work station idk why ppl trippin
Mini, like something small.
Seems like the reviews I saw were for the 7800, not the 6800.
There’s no version of the Mercury series with a 7000 series. You might be thinking of the UM780 XTX which has a 7840HS but that’s an entirely different product line.
Outstanding sir ty
the pc is inviable how much did you buy it ?
I paid 424 on Amazon for the 32GB RAM 1TB storage version
I am BEYOND GLAD that I found this video because I'm shopping for a mini PC to replace my office/light gaming desktop and this PC was on my 'finalist' list. I can not imagine a company passing the blame like this. It kind of makes me worry about the overall customer service I might get from Minisforum.
I love minisforum product line! I own a HX99G. I dont play games because its above my computer skills. I mainly use it for tv and streaming from youtube. I basically turned my bedroom tv into a full size computer screen! 😁
You could have spent 200 for the same result but each to their own lol
why buy a much more expensive mini pc with discrete graphics when an APU based model could do everything you need when you don't game? odd...
A happy owner here.
Yes Minisforum kinda lied but they also kinda didn't. The EM680 from the start was designed to be a 15w TDP PC but all the advertisment says otherwise. The 2.17 bios update was probably released to keep owners happy even though the bios update isn't designed/suitable for the PC.
If you did a little research like myself before purchasing, this would have already been known.
I didn't buy the EM680 to game on because I already had all the information needed to know it wouldn't game. It's an excellent mini PC that's helped keep my electricity bill down and that is why I brought it.
It's 2023 people, if you bought this and didn't know what I know, who's fault is that really when the information is readily available
I am referring mostly to the content creators that would modify the stock TDP settings using 3rd party software without really explaining to people the 15W TDP issue with gaming. Keep in mind, the default TDP out of the box is 30W according to the bios. in the release message for 2.17, they even specify that the system behaves normally in CPU only tasks, which is why Cinebench runs at 30W perfectly fine. it's mixed loads that would cause the 15W hard limit. This isn't really explained anywhere. and what do you consider readily available? No where on minisforum's website or amazon listings doe it say that the system will hardlock to 15W when it's gaming. If you dont end up going on random forums or on Reddit, you wouldn't know. I feel like we should expect more from companies than to just wait for the first wave of customers to essentially QA test this stuff. Especially when many of the RUclipsrs covering this system ran it out of spec and did not disclose the out of box issues to their audience.
@@EVOTech1 There is your problem, relying on "content creators" The clue is in the name. They are creators of content and that's all. If you take what they say as gospel, that's your problem.
The dumb ones here are all those people that do not understand power, heat disposition and tiny fans!
I own one and the heat is pretty low suggesting there is room for more power. Why are you so confident?
Yo yo YO..yo
ETA Prime is by far the worst pc "reviewer" on RUclips, and 2nd place isn't even close. Heck, Minisforum even has his videos on their website. In my opinion, ETA Prime is the biggest tech scammer on RUclips.
No SD card slot? Minisforum is certainly a bad company.
Imagine my surprise when I purchased an Acer Nitro Gaming Laptop thats maxed at 70 watts because the GPU causes the CPU to throttle.