Do you have a low power wifi router you would recommend that pairs well with this Starlink Mini? Our application is mountains with fair amount of tree cover. So, we'd set this up in a clearing, perhaps on a tripod, run the cable back to a box with a power station and this router to broadcast back to camp, 30-50 feet or so? thanks
They could sell a ton of these to people who already have terrestrial broadband and don't ordinarily need Starlink, but just want this when traveling or as a backup to their primary internet provider. If they packaged it as basically buy the hardware, then let me buy 100 gigs of data to use whenever I needed it like a pre-paid phone plan, rather than charging a steep monthly fee, they could print money with this product. Basically, anybody working remotely who needs a backup plan to keep their internet up when there is no cell service or local internet available would buy one and stick it in the closet.
I agree! This is how I currently use my V1 dishy already, barely ever need it. I snagged the mini to use while camping this year but secretly hoping they come to their senses and create a better service plan than the current arragement.
I'm thinking about buying one just so I have internet access on the south end of South Padre when I'm watching ILM-5 in August! Cell data reception with 5,000 other people there is basically non-existent.
@@mjrausch Have you tried stopping you mini roam plan yet? It doesn't appear to be configured like the other plans that can be stopped and started easily.
Best video yet on the Starlink Mini! Thanks for showing the accessory Ethernet cable, the info about POE, the info about using an external router, etc.
Starlink is a gamechanger. This is the first time in human history when anyone can get access to the high speed internet with unlimited data literally anywhere. This is huge deal.
That looks like the Ubiquiti PoE+ adapter, not the 24v passive, but can’t know for sure. Either way the first gen dish uses PoE++ so I’d try that - though if the tech sheets don’t mention it, it likely does not support it.
You are wrong. Not all POE is 48V. Poe has levels and different devices, like cameras for instance commonly use 24v and that’s fully POE compliant according to the spec.
@@CWFromDetroit you either don’t know what you’re talking about or you are being a simpleton. I’m r been making and supporting POE cameras for decades. There are a range of passive POE devices that can ask for 24 @1A up to 48v@2A and levels in between. If you can’t read a spec then don’t quote one and not all power injectors and passive devices are equal. Some do better negotiating than others and many devices are just hardwired to require or produce one flavor. If this stuff is new to you, try running an iPad on an old 5V1A usb plug and see how long your screen stays lit. Go sit down, Junior.
Agree with below....You should bot have used the Milwaukee battery (DC) to the Milwaukee Inverter (DC-> AC), then the Starlink A/C Wallwart (AC - > DC) to Starlink DC Barrel Jack. Just wire the battery DIRECTLY to the Dish (with a fuse of course). Much more efficient and less weight to carry.
Maybe he’s worried about the lack of a low voltage cut off to protect the battery from being over-discharged, damaging the cells. The battery will signal the Milwaukee inverter to cut off but the StarLink setup wouldn’t.
Exactly. There is a significant power loss with the inverter even when not powering stuff and then another loss with the Starlink adapter, Straight unregulated DC power will offer the longest run times.
@@emmettturner9452 Milwaukee makes a DC output adapter for the M18 (for their jackets and such) that ostensibly has the requisite low voltage cut-off. I have made my own adapters with third party low voltage cutoffs. What I found in my testing with the mini is that the low voltage threshold of mine is way too high to get maximum capacity out of my battery. But a USB-C PD power bank works for 3+ hours so I'm not too concerned with using my M18 batteries in the long run.
This thing is a serious game changer for boondocking. Been running mine on a 100Ah LifePo4 battery now for ~24 hours and have used roughly 33Ah so far according to my Victron shunt. I've tried to determine if power consumption varied significantly with usage and so far inconclusive. Don't want to burn through my 50GB just yet! LOL. I agree with you that I expect the plan to get better and to offer stand alone in the future. I don't see any need for having two dishes even if the 'big' dish is considerably faster 100mbit is honestly enough for the terrestrial backup and camping use case I think many people have. What I'd like to see is maybe unlimited download while stationary and 50GB when mobile sort of plan. That would be perfect for most people like me I think.
I just bought this product but I'm not already a Starlink member. It is $50/month and the hardware was the same cost you stated. It didn't indicate that I needed to be a member. I understood this is a standalone unit and I don't need anything else, even a previous connection.
Thanks finally someone who ran a wired speed test good video
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I would love if you could compare this to the big antenna. Same spot, running both at the same time to have the least differences as possible. Considering getting the 3rd gen or this Mini whenever it will be released in Europe, considering that they will sell the mini independently instead of an add-on. Objective is to mount on top of my van. If the speed difference and drop outs aren't too discrepant, I'd certainly prefer the mini.
I've been testing mine side by side with a V1 dish. So far, V1 dish IS faster in speed tests, but otherwise the experience has been indistinguishable between the two. As soon as Starlink lets me ditch the V1 dish and let's me just have the one mini I'm doing it.
The difference between them will mostly be artificial. (the plan for the mini is a lower speed tier.)
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@@jfbeam Yeah, they say up to 100Mbps, but have seen few cases that it picked close to 180, 190. Would be cool if could get someone from Central America that have the regular plan with the Mini to test this out. And hopefully they release soon here in Europe
The pillion mount is a top idea. Not seen that before, as is using a drill battery, just depends on the life of one charge and how you would then recharge that battery away from home
we originally bought v3 to use as double duty to replace our at home internet and then take with us camping, but ran into a hang up having wifi cameras at home that wouldn't work if we took the internet with us. this checks every box to correctly solve that issue EXCEPT the data cap ! that's a hang up ill wait a few months to see if that changes. or let me leave the mini at home and toggle my standard dish to roam and I can take that one. but I tried to contact them and they advised that that currently shouldn't work but they didn't see sure either.
This thing seems amazing, especially for something like a temporary cell site backhaul, but I also could imagine it being used on a ship (or perhaps cruise ship, where internet otherwise is way too expensive).
Some mobile car mounts would be cool for these. Especially with glass roofs on a lot of newer cars (picturing it on the inside roof of my model y when out of cell range). Or I guess anyone off-roading or whatever.
This would be great for my work car. Just being able to set a GPS route or make a phone call or send a text message while I'm stopped in an area with no cell service would be a god send. Having 50GB of monthly data usage would be plenty to download anything I might need like updates or pdf manuals while out and about too.
You know you could just have powered the dish directly from the battery without the DC adaptor and likely had way more capacity, I bet it would double its run time.
I don't know what the efficiency specs are for the AC inverter or the AC to DC adapter is but I would guess around 80% for the inverter and 90% for the AC-DC adapter. With these estimates, a 20W power draw from the Starlink equates to ~22W of power from the inverter and ~27.5W from the battery. Powering directly from the battery would give and additional run time of around 38%. When you take into account that the battery discharge vs current draw is not linear, you would probably get closer to 40% run time using the battery directly.
If they made the add on plan 500g-1tb it would be perfect. I'd even be fine throttled down to 50m at the higher data speeds for the same money. I hope they get to that or something better.
If I remember correctly, the satellites bunch at the higher latitudes where they switch back in their elliptical orbits. So, you get better rates/access the more north or south you get from the equator. Also, the more users you have in a regional area, the more bandwidth is shared between the same number of satellites. Wonder if the rates are different in the south or around populated areas.
@@Fatman305 Ah, I would normally say Maxwell Smart's tag line of "Missed it by thatmuch." But in this case, yeah, I really missed it. thank you for letting me kno.
Just installed a current gen starlink system. Your information is incorrect. Current generation starlink has two ethernet ports. You also have to manually point the modern gen 4 system.
Thank you for the video. Great stuff. It be worthwhile to do UDP packet loss tests in the future also, as that would be used by low latency video solutions, like webRTC.
Thank you. that bike has really surprised me, not just in the woods but around town. It's like what I wished my moped COULD have been when I was a kid. Fast and powerful
I think a cool additional solution to the pricing would be to give you free maybe 5-10mb download IF you are already subscribed on a residential plan, because I can see a lot of cases where if you are using this thing you probably wont be using the one at your house anyways, and 5-10 is honestly plenty for most people on the go
I don't have a problem with the plan price. If you're in a position where you need internet anywhere, it's quite reasonable. The startup price is a bit high. Overall, moving in the right direction though.
Fortunately they just added a $150/mo option for it, which is unlimited and you are 100% correct. For those of us who have NO option, this is a game changer.
I just saw that announcement. Those folks are very lucky. I have hope they will sell very few here at these prices and hope that at least the data plan goes up for data allocation
I’m not a Starlink user but have an RV and weighing out the Mini vs. the GEN 3. Have you done any speed tests on the GEN 3 comparing it to the Mini that you can share?
Will it connect if pointing straight up? Even if it has reduced speed, I am interested in this for mounting to my van as I prefer the smaller size and combined router
I just came back from a 260 mile vacation. Used it on top of my jeep top rack and used it in motion (up to 70 mph freeway) using it with my cellphone for Waze, Pandora music and my wife using Facebook on her phone (with some videos.) While parked at the camp site a friend made a video call while we were still streaming music and I used my laptop. Just make sure you securely mount it in place.
Very good review and overview of this product. This is even cheaper than our home Comcast connection (minus the upfront hardware costs) with much better speed. Also, I'm wondering about the reliability. Since I live in SF (earthquake country), it would be good to hear more about reliability.
Question if you are somewhere with no internet service trying to set up star link mini and the star link is not aligned with the satellite, how can you do this if your in a dead zone with no internet and or no cell phone service ? 5:04
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I would be interested in seeing more details on the power draw and at what voltages. The 5521 will directly plug into many power banks. I wonder what kind of stable draw it has on this 12v? What is the voltage cutoff - will it still run at 11.5v? Lower? If you use a USB-C adapter - what kind of draw does it have then? What about at 30, 40, 50 or even 60 volts? I am always wondering about the peak watt usage especially with a USB-C adapter - many USB-C PD ports may only support 45watts - will the mini still work on this? A huge part of the attractiveness of the Mini will be the lower power draw and many folks, like myself, will be curious as to the DC power options, One thing many people forget or dont understand is that even if that little 120v Startlink adapter only uses 1-3 watts, the actual inverter itself will suck a lot of battery power even when not running stuff. You will use far less real world power if you can avoid powering up an inverter entirely and just use straight unregulated DC power when possible. Hence the desire to understand the watt usages are different voltages. I can actually see powering this directly off a very small 12v 10-20ah LiFePO4battery directly to the terminals - no conversion or regulators. I wonder at what voltage the Mini will stop work in this case. Thank you again.
50GB datacap seems shockingly small, but my point of comparison is 5G internet. If you're paying monthly, I would expect a better deal than a dollar per gigabyte. But if they had a pay-as-you-go plan, I could see it as great for occasional or remote use.
I don’t understand. If it runs on 12-60v DC, why the heck wouldn’t you power it directly off the 18v battery? If you are worried about low voltage cut-off then add a BMS.
You are right and they make adapters to go from those batteries to terminals: amzn.to/3Lco0Nz I just didn't have one in time for the test, but for long term I totally agree, I got one now.
@@SilverCymbal Be careful, Milwaukee M18 batteries do not have built in low voltage cutoff so you can run the battery flat by using those cheap aftermarket DC adapters. You either need to add your own low voltage protection or ostensibly, the Milwaukee branded DC-DC adapter (49-24-2371, used for their jackets) has the low voltage circuitry built in but I don't have first hand experience with this. But I have run my mini off M18 batteries using my own adapter+LVD and can confirm the voltage is just high enough to work with the OEM Starlink cable where-as 15v and 12v sources are too low voltage.
When you said you were going to run if off a battery, I didn't think that meant putting it through an inverter (18VDC to 110VAC) then plugging in their transformer (110VAC to whatever DC voltage).....when it could be run directly from the battery. It's not efficient and requires additional equipment to power it the way you did. The whole point (I would have thought) would be to run it from a motorbike battery or more likely a car battery for example in a 4WD dual battery setup, that would be making use of the fact it can be run from a DC source, or run if directly from the battery it would last longer.
I use a PoE breakout/splitter for devices around my house. I imagine that using the same thing to power and pass data with the Starlink mini would be just as straight forward. :) I'm not sure that PoE will help for the 'in the field' use case.....but you COULD use PoE if you want. :)
I live in Germany in a flat. I have standard broadband internet. If Starlink offered unlimited download for $30 a month i would definitely consider it as the Internet in German is crap. I think Starlink might be missing a trick here.
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Here in Germany, the price is rumored to be about 175 Euros for the dish alone, however the unlimited plan costs 59 Euros a month, though it's unclear if it will cost the same for the dish. If you live in some sort of valley, this thing may be worth an consideration, otherwise 5G will do the job just fine or perhaps even better.
Very cool! I find it odd that you used two battery sources to power this but in both cases you converted from DC to AC back to DC. Can you explain why? Also, should be cool to just run this directly off of the battery of your E bike
Agreed this bike doesn't a DC port right now. But you can adapt the plugs to run from a DC source directly. This is just what I had on hand but you most certainly could do straight DC for the most runtime possible
One of the previous satellite-dish versions was using up twice as much. So at least they had progressed with making it more energy efficient. But I agree, as a constant power draw it's too much.
Just wondering bc ive been seeing ppl using the og one and modding it for the top of thier vehicle so they can use it while driving. Since this one needs to be aimed, can this one do the same?
Thanks for the review, keeping my eye on these. Tell me more about that bike though! I couldn't quite catch what you called it.. upco? Hubco? Couldn't find anything relevant on either search. Looked cool!
Thank you, the bike is called UBCO Made in New Zealand sold in the US and worldwide. They have street legal and offroad version available here: UBCO Bike: bit.ly/3xww8oS I will be doing a full review soon on it. Absolute game changer for getting around
Very nice and complete video, thank you very much in Starlink Support it is mentioned that Mini is not working with POE "Does Starlink Mini support Power over Ethernet? Power over Ethernet is not supported on Starlink Mini. If you plug in a PoE ethernet cable to your Starlink Mini, you will still need the provided power cable to keep your unit powered." However using one cable to Starlink is important for me. I wonder if it is possible to supply power by POE and before connecting the cable to the dish, use a seperator (adaptor) and connect to the power inlet. I appreciate it if you check that.
You MAY be able use a PoE to DC Power adapter. However, Starlink mini wants a lot of power meaning you’ll need a beefy switch or injector to supply the PoE.
So many questions remain! This portable unit is $30 ON TOP of a standard subscription? The cost - in addition to the $500 equipment cost with the standard subscrption! I thought Starlink was going to offer internet access for those in extreme poverty and rural/off-grid situations. Now I know where the poverty comes from.
A small community can combine resources and buy a Starlink Mini unit and have the $150 unlimited data plan. They can have it in a communal setting for use (like a library.) The internal router can handle over 200 connections at the same time. Sounds like a win win for everyone. Your poverty probably comes from the choices you have made over the years and a lack of problem solving abilities. You don't care about others. For those of us who live in rural settings this is the ONLY reasonable solution available. In a power outage we will still be able to be online and we no longer need a landline which ATT and other companies are trying to divest themselves from providing. You just want one for yourself for free if possible.
Fantastic video ty for doing this. I have silly question so people be kind . could this be used so you could make phone calls from a cell phone ? i men i do wifi calling and this would be wifi right? Im asking as i go away to some remote places in Alaska. Second if i were anchored up could this be used again as a wifi station to make calls?. Im looking to get comms up and running and do not like the cost for hardware and data on traditional sat phones...Yes the star link option is more bulky however the cost and advantages seem to be a better option for me. whats your thoughts?
Yes. We have not cell phone signal where we live in the wooded canyon. We make wifi calls with our cell phone all the time with the Gen 2 starlink antenna. This weekend I finally made my own mount for the mini and took it on a 260 mile round trip. Used it in motion while accessing Waze, streaming Pandora and my wife streaming things off of her Facebook account without a hiccup at 65 mph. While at the camp site my friends logged into the mini and made a video call, I was using my lap top and another friend was watching RUclips 4k videos. No one at other camp sites had cell phone service.
@@dyonkers1 MAXOAK Portable Laptop Charger while using it away from the vehicle for more than 60 feet. My jeep has a cigarette lighter type connection port in the rear and I plug into that with a WOTOBEUS 120W USB C Car Charger Adapter. Both cost a little more than $30.
I kind of understand why the mini dish has data cap. If they're offer unlimited data on $30 plan, it'll severely impact their bigger dish and more expensive monthly plan
Is 50 GiG low when compared to other suppliers like Verizon T-Mobile overall would you say its fair deal? I'm on the fence between just using my cell phone provider or going with starlink mini (non roam)
Also whether the adapter was passive or active, usually the smaller Ubiquiti poe injectors like the one shown are passive 24V while the active ones are a bit bigger and are 48V and actually do poe negotiation. I've burned an ethernet port with the passive injector because it just sends 24V without negotiating but I think it's usually safe if you accidentally plug in a 24V passive into a 48V active device - I forget if its the same pinout but it usually just won't power on and you'll have to grumble and dig around for the real PoE 48V injector.
his adapter was likely poe+/at, but if the device is regularly drawing 50+w from AC then you would need a poe++/802.3bt system. PoE+/at is only good for 25w usable power, PoE++/bt is good for 50w. Although I highly doubt this device supports poe++ in the first place.
@@jrchurchman13 Actually you can see the label on the PoE injector in the video if you pause at 2:01 - it definitely says 24V, which is the passive injector. I have multiple Ubiquiti passive and active injectors and none of the active 48V injectors are even that slim. Passive PoE isn't part of the 802.3 PoE standards, which runs at 48V.
If this is not pointed at the satellites correctly can you still get a decent signal? I was thinking of mounting this to the back of my semi truck but I wouldn't be able to climb up to it every time to adjust it.
I have used it on top of my vehicle while in motion (0ver 65 mph) with my wife watching videos on her cell phone. I rarely have a problem. While driving through narrow canyons I have had only a 45 second blackout of signal a couple of times. Not an issue on freeways unless there is a tunnel through a mountain.
Wow, getting smaller. Looking forward to Tesla Phones that can become like Starlink nodes to do decentralized Internet. The next generation of the Internet. :)
Musk says they are not building a Tesla phone. You will be able to use your current phone for texting this year. Next year it will be phone and internet data available. They have already made a video call with a regular cell phone directly to satellite in a test.
I think the POE works but we have to find out which POE standard it's using. For example some POE uses 24 volts some use 18 volts some use 54 volts that's probably why when you plugged it in it didn't work because the voltage you used is not correct.
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Do you have a low power wifi router you would recommend that pairs well with this Starlink Mini? Our application is mountains with fair amount of tree cover. So, we'd set this up in a clearing, perhaps on a tripod, run the cable back to a box with a power station and this router to broadcast back to camp, 30-50 feet or so? thanks
At 1:42 wait woot?! Once you plug in an ethernet cable you can't unplug it easily?! Wow, engineering fudges this up. lol
They could sell a ton of these to people who already have terrestrial broadband and don't ordinarily need Starlink, but just want this when traveling or as a backup to their primary internet provider. If they packaged it as basically buy the hardware, then let me buy 100 gigs of data to use whenever I needed it like a pre-paid phone plan, rather than charging a steep monthly fee, they could print money with this product. Basically, anybody working remotely who needs a backup plan to keep their internet up when there is no cell service or local internet available would buy one and stick it in the closet.
I agree! This is how I currently use my V1 dishy already, barely ever need it. I snagged the mini to use while camping this year but secretly hoping they come to their senses and create a better service plan than the current arragement.
I'm thinking about buying one just so I have internet access on the south end of South Padre when I'm watching ILM-5 in August! Cell data reception with 5,000 other people there is basically non-existent.
You can start and stop the service pretty easily, which is how I plan to use it.
@@mjrausch Have you tried stopping you mini roam plan yet? It doesn't appear to be configured like the other plans that can be stopped and started easily.
They ARE printing money with it right now. But I expect once they feel they have saturated the regular service they would add exactly this.
Best video yet on the Starlink Mini!
Thanks for showing the accessory Ethernet cable, the info about POE, the info about using an external router, etc.
Starlink is a gamechanger. This is the first time in human history when anyone can get access to the high speed internet with unlimited data literally anywhere. This is huge deal.
That POE injector you tried is NOT a standard POE injector. That's a 24v Ubiquiti unit.
Standard POE is 48v (+/-) and may well do the job.
That looks like the Ubiquiti PoE+ adapter, not the 24v passive, but can’t know for sure.
Either way the first gen dish uses PoE++ so I’d try that - though if the tech sheets don’t mention it, it likely does not support it.
You are wrong. Not all POE is 48V. Poe has levels and different devices, like cameras for instance commonly use 24v and that’s fully POE compliant according to the spec.
@@pchris6662 802.3(af) specifies that PoE is 350MaH at 48VDC.
You are correct, to be sure I repeated the same test after the video with a standard POE++ switch and the dish did not power up from it
@@CWFromDetroit you either don’t know what you’re talking about or you are being a simpleton. I’m r been making and supporting POE cameras for decades. There are a range of passive POE devices that can ask for 24 @1A up to 48v@2A and levels in between. If you can’t read a spec then don’t quote one and not all power injectors and passive devices are equal. Some do better negotiating than others and many devices are just hardwired to require or produce one flavor. If this stuff is new to you, try running an iPad on an old 5V1A usb plug and see how long your screen stays lit. Go sit down, Junior.
This is incredible. So amazing we are living in the future of global connectivity
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Agree with below....You should bot have used the Milwaukee battery (DC) to the Milwaukee Inverter (DC-> AC), then the Starlink A/C Wallwart (AC - > DC) to Starlink DC Barrel Jack. Just wire the battery DIRECTLY to the Dish (with a fuse of course). Much more efficient and less weight to carry.
Maybe he’s worried about the lack of a low voltage cut off to protect the battery from being over-discharged, damaging the cells. The battery will signal the Milwaukee inverter to cut off but the StarLink setup wouldn’t.
Exactly. There is a significant power loss with the inverter even when not powering stuff and then another loss with the Starlink adapter, Straight unregulated DC power will offer the longest run times.
@@emmettturner9452 , I'm pretty sure all these batteries have the low voltage cut-off built in on the internal board (part of the BMS).
@@emmettturner9452 Milwaukee makes a DC output adapter for the M18 (for their jackets and such) that ostensibly has the requisite low voltage cut-off. I have made my own adapters with third party low voltage cutoffs.
What I found in my testing with the mini is that the low voltage threshold of mine is way too high to get maximum capacity out of my battery.
But a USB-C PD power bank works for 3+ hours so I'm not too concerned with using my M18 batteries in the long run.
@@douglasmontgomery6315 Milwaukee batteries do not have low voltage cut of built in.
This thing is a serious game changer for boondocking. Been running mine on a 100Ah LifePo4 battery now for ~24 hours and have used roughly 33Ah so far according to my Victron shunt. I've tried to determine if power consumption varied significantly with usage and so far inconclusive. Don't want to burn through my 50GB just yet! LOL.
I agree with you that I expect the plan to get better and to offer stand alone in the future. I don't see any need for having two dishes even if the 'big' dish is considerably faster 100mbit is honestly enough for the terrestrial backup and camping use case I think many people have. What I'd like to see is maybe unlimited download while stationary and 50GB when mobile sort of plan. That would be perfect for most people like me I think.
I like your style, straight to the point without any fluff or rambling and well shot supporting clips, keep it up!
I just bought this product but I'm not already a Starlink member. It is $50/month and the hardware was the same cost you stated. It didn't indicate that I needed to be a member. I understood this is a standalone unit and I don't need anything else, even a previous connection.
They just dropped the price to $299 so get a credit if you paid $599
Your channel is an absolute gold mine. Your plumbing videos are amazing. Everything else is just a bonus. ❤️
Thanks finally someone who ran a wired speed test good video
I would love if you could compare this to the big antenna. Same spot, running both at the same time to have the least differences as possible.
Considering getting the 3rd gen or this Mini whenever it will be released in Europe, considering that they will sell the mini independently instead of an add-on.
Objective is to mount on top of my van. If the speed difference and drop outs aren't too discrepant, I'd certainly prefer the mini.
I've been testing mine side by side with a V1 dish. So far, V1 dish IS faster in speed tests, but otherwise the experience has been indistinguishable between the two. As soon as Starlink lets me ditch the V1 dish and let's me just have the one mini I'm doing it.
The difference between them will mostly be artificial. (the plan for the mini is a lower speed tier.)
@@jfbeam Yeah, they say up to 100Mbps, but have seen few cases that it picked close to 180, 190.
Would be cool if could get someone from Central America that have the regular plan with the Mini to test this out.
And hopefully they release soon here in Europe
20-50W using two adapters to your inverter. Use a meter in between the battery and the dish and you'll get an accurate reading.
The pillion mount is a top idea. Not seen that before, as is using a drill battery, just depends on the life of one charge and how you would then recharge that battery away from home
we originally bought v3 to use as double duty to replace our at home internet and then take with us camping, but ran into a hang up having wifi cameras at home that wouldn't work if we took the internet with us. this checks every box to correctly solve that issue EXCEPT the data cap ! that's a hang up ill wait a few months to see if that changes. or let me leave the mini at home and toggle my standard dish to roam and I can take that one. but I tried to contact them and they advised that that currently shouldn't work but they didn't see sure either.
Correction: Starlink v3 Router has two ethernet ports built in, unlike v2 which requires the accessory you speak of.
Good point!
This thing seems amazing, especially for something like a temporary cell site backhaul, but I also could imagine it being used on a ship (or perhaps cruise ship, where internet otherwise is way too expensive).
Some mobile car mounts would be cool for these. Especially with glass roofs on a lot of newer cars (picturing it on the inside roof of my model y when out of cell range). Or I guess anyone off-roading or whatever.
clicking heads while at the peak of mount everest has now become possible
This would be great for my work car. Just being able to set a GPS route or make a phone call or send a text message while I'm stopped in an area with no cell service would be a god send. Having 50GB of monthly data usage would be plenty to download anything I might need like updates or pdf manuals while out and about too.
You know you could just have powered the dish directly from the battery without the DC adaptor and likely had way more capacity, I bet it would double its run time.
DC to AC just to make it DC again... wasteful, but not "double".
I don't know what the efficiency specs are for the AC inverter or the AC to DC adapter is but I would guess around 80% for the inverter and 90% for the AC-DC adapter.
With these estimates, a 20W power draw from the Starlink equates to ~22W of power from the inverter and ~27.5W from the battery.
Powering directly from the battery would give and additional run time of around 38%.
When you take into account that the battery discharge vs current draw is not linear, you would probably get closer to 40% run time using the battery directly.
I received mine last Friday. It is just as easy to connect as you showed.
If they made the add on plan 500g-1tb it would be perfect. I'd even be fine throttled down to 50m at the higher data speeds for the same money. I hope they get to that or something better.
If I remember correctly, the satellites bunch at the higher latitudes where they switch back in their elliptical orbits. So, you get better rates/access the more north or south you get from the equator. Also, the more users you have in a regional area, the more bandwidth is shared between the same number of satellites.
Wonder if the rates are different in the south or around populated areas.
I'm in NY State. It is $120 per month.
@@bikenyHe meant up/down speeds...
@@Fatman305 Ah, I would normally say Maxwell Smart's tag line of "Missed it by thatmuch." But in this case, yeah, I really missed it. thank you for letting me kno.
Just installed a current gen starlink system. Your information is incorrect. Current generation starlink has two ethernet ports. You also have to manually point the modern gen 4 system.
Thank you for the video. Great stuff.
It be worthwhile to do UDP packet loss tests in the future also, as that would be used by low latency video solutions, like webRTC.
Great video, Chris! That bike looks really awesome, btw.
Thank you. that bike has really surprised me, not just in the woods but around town. It's like what I wished my moped COULD have been when I was a kid. Fast and powerful
I think a cool additional solution to the pricing would be to give you free maybe 5-10mb download IF you are already subscribed on a residential plan, because I can see a lot of cases where if you are using this thing you probably wont be using the one at your house anyways, and 5-10 is honestly plenty for most people on the go
5-10 Mbps?
Did you try the DC port to power it on your EcoFlow? I’d assume the power consumption would be a little less but not sure how much.
Great point! I also want to know this answer
The man with ALL the toys!
I don't have a problem with the plan price. If you're in a position where you need internet anywhere, it's quite reasonable. The startup price is a bit high.
Overall, moving in the right direction though.
Fortunately they just added a $150/mo option for it, which is unlimited and you are 100% correct. For those of us who have NO option, this is a game changer.
The mini goes for $200 in Colombia and the monthly plan has unlimited data for $35 a month.
I just saw that announcement. Those folks are very lucky. I have hope they will sell very few here at these prices and hope that at least the data plan goes up for data allocation
$200 for the Mini, but increased to $55 from $45 here in Panama. Gen 2 is $380 and no sign of the new dish.
I’m not a Starlink user but have an RV and weighing out the Mini vs. the GEN 3. Have you done any speed tests on the GEN 3 comparing it to the Mini that you can share?
Will it connect if pointing straight up? Even if it has reduced speed, I am interested in this for mounting to my van as I prefer the smaller size and combined router
yes it does, there are some videos out there showcasing it in a car working. But it does sometime give a warning not to use while driving for now.
I just came back from a 260 mile vacation. Used it on top of my jeep top rack and used it in motion (up to 70 mph freeway) using it with my cellphone for Waze, Pandora music and my wife using Facebook on her phone (with some videos.) While parked at the camp site a friend made a video call while we were still streaming music and I used my laptop. Just make sure you securely mount it in place.
Very good review and overview of this product. This is even cheaper than our home Comcast connection (minus the upfront hardware costs) with much better speed. Also, I'm wondering about the reliability. Since I live in SF (earthquake country), it would be good to hear more about reliability.
Would love to have this as a back up for
My current internet provider
Question if you are somewhere with no internet service trying to set up star link mini and the star link is not aligned with the satellite, how can you do this if your in a dead zone with no internet and or no cell phone service ? 5:04
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I would be interested in seeing more details on the power draw and at what voltages. The 5521 will directly plug into many power banks. I wonder what kind of stable draw it has on this 12v? What is the voltage cutoff - will it still run at 11.5v? Lower? If you use a USB-C adapter - what kind of draw does it have then? What about at 30, 40, 50 or even 60 volts? I am always wondering about the peak watt usage especially with a USB-C adapter - many USB-C PD ports may only support 45watts - will the mini still work on this? A huge part of the attractiveness of the Mini will be the lower power draw and many folks, like myself, will be curious as to the DC power options, One thing many people forget or dont understand is that even if that little 120v Startlink adapter only uses 1-3 watts, the actual inverter itself will suck a lot of battery power even when not running stuff. You will use far less real world power if you can avoid powering up an inverter entirely and just use straight unregulated DC power when possible. Hence the desire to understand the watt usages are different voltages. I can actually see powering this directly off a very small 12v 10-20ah LiFePO4battery directly to the terminals - no conversion or regulators. I wonder at what voltage the Mini will stop work in this case. Thank you again.
So if you were off grid would you have to constantly adjust the position? 🤔
50GB datacap seems shockingly small, but my point of comparison is 5G internet.
If you're paying monthly, I would expect a better deal than a dollar per gigabyte.
But if they had a pay-as-you-go plan, I could see it as great for occasional or remote use.
I don’t understand. If it runs on 12-60v DC, why the heck wouldn’t you power it directly off the 18v battery? If you are worried about low voltage cut-off then add a BMS.
You are right and they make adapters to go from those batteries to terminals: amzn.to/3Lco0Nz I just didn't have one in time for the test, but for long term I totally agree, I got one now.
@@SilverCymbal Be careful, Milwaukee M18 batteries do not have built in low voltage cutoff so you can run the battery flat by using those cheap aftermarket DC adapters. You either need to add your own low voltage protection or ostensibly, the Milwaukee branded DC-DC adapter (49-24-2371, used for their jackets) has the low voltage circuitry built in but I don't have first hand experience with this.
But I have run my mini off M18 batteries using my own adapter+LVD and can confirm the voltage is just high enough to work with the OEM Starlink cable where-as 15v and 12v sources are too low voltage.
I'd really like to see the performance in bypass mode to see if the built-in routing is causing some of the bottleneck.
When you said you were going to run if off a battery, I didn't think that meant putting it through an inverter (18VDC to 110VAC) then plugging in their transformer (110VAC to whatever DC voltage).....when it could be run directly from the battery. It's not efficient and requires additional equipment to power it the way you did. The whole point (I would have thought) would be to run it from a motorbike battery or more likely a car battery for example in a 4WD dual battery setup, that would be making use of the fact it can be run from a DC source, or run if directly from the battery it would last longer.
I use a PoE breakout/splitter for devices around my house. I imagine that using the same thing to power and pass data with the Starlink mini would be just as straight forward. :) I'm not sure that PoE will help for the 'in the field' use case.....but you COULD use PoE if you want. :)
What is the Ethernet cable? Please provide a link. Thanks
the old very expense and large satellite internet domes (used by luxury yachts) that are huge and cumbersome are probably finished.
Wow, it's a game changer!✌️
Agreed, hopefully they bring the prices down to make it really something everyone could take anywhere.
You can get a ram mount that is 3M adhesive. I use it on my car dash and it’s awesome. That way you won’t need to drill a hole in the mount.
can you ever take the adhesive off without damaging the dash?
Those are great for lighter stuff. It won;t hold the dish, there is more stress due to the weight and it sitting at an angle.
Will these work on vacation anywhere, or only supported countries?
Can you bring this to another country and able to access internet? Or in the cruise?
When will you be posting your pool installation video?
I live in Germany in a flat. I have standard broadband internet. If Starlink offered unlimited download for $30 a month i would definitely consider it as the Internet in German is crap. I think Starlink might be missing a trick here.
Here in Germany, the price is rumored to be about 175 Euros for the dish alone, however the unlimited plan costs 59 Euros a month, though it's unclear if it will cost the same for the dish. If you live in some sort of valley, this thing may be worth an consideration, otherwise 5G will do the job just fine or perhaps even better.
Very cool! I find it odd that you used two battery sources to power this but in both cases you converted from DC to AC back to DC. Can you explain why? Also, should be cool to just run this directly off of the battery of your E bike
Agreed this bike doesn't a DC port right now. But you can adapt the plugs to run from a DC source directly. This is just what I had on hand but you most certainly could do straight DC for the most runtime possible
40-50 W is a big number.
One of the previous satellite-dish versions was using up twice as much. So at least they had progressed with making it more energy efficient. But I agree, as a constant power draw it's too much.
Ha, you are wearing your January blizzard outfit!!🤣😂
Very true, see for 3 months a year its normal
The ability to power it off a small portable solar panel would be nice, all plug n play.
I wonder how long it would last if you powered it directly off of the DC of the battery.
Thanks for the video. Now I'm certain I need new glasses, I was trying to guess if that can said infernal taste or urinal taste.
How many ah does your Milwaukee have? 18 Volts and how many Ah?
6 hours runtime, correct?
Wow, well designed.
Just wondering bc ive been seeing ppl using the og one and modding it for the top of thier vehicle so they can use it while driving. Since this one needs to be aimed, can this one do the same?
You need to use a small camera pan/tilt camera mount with an appropriate adapter to align the Starlink ‘dish’.
My only beef with it, is the very low data cap.
But can you combine multiple of them to increase download speed ?
If it's registered in the US, can you take it to europe or asia? Thanks!
Thanks for the review, keeping my eye on these. Tell me more about that bike though! I couldn't quite catch what you called it.. upco? Hubco? Couldn't find anything relevant on either search. Looked cool!
Thank you, the bike is called UBCO Made in New Zealand sold in the US and worldwide. They have street legal and offroad version available here: UBCO Bike: bit.ly/3xww8oS I will be doing a full review soon on it. Absolute game changer for getting around
@@SilverCymbal looks awesome! I've been holding out for an electric alternative to my TW200, this looks promising. Looking forward to your review!
Good info. This must be just off the press as there isn't even any information on this in Starlink's website.
How would this work I'm s situation where my phone doesn't get service indoors
where did you get the starlink mini? i couldn’t find on their website
Very nice and complete video, thank you very much
in Starlink Support it is mentioned that Mini is not working with POE
"Does Starlink Mini support Power over Ethernet?
Power over Ethernet is not supported on Starlink Mini. If you plug in a PoE ethernet cable to your Starlink Mini, you will still need the provided power cable to keep your unit powered."
However using one cable to Starlink is important for me. I wonder if it is possible to supply power by POE and before connecting the cable to the dish, use a seperator (adaptor) and connect to the power inlet. I appreciate it if you check that.
Is he your personal Google? The answer you seek is a few keystrokes away.
@@wogfun Are you his lawyer?
You MAY be able use a PoE to DC Power adapter. However, Starlink mini wants a lot of power meaning you’ll need a beefy switch or injector to supply the PoE.
@@Constabruity We can use the adaptor provided with Mini, can't we?
can i put this on my airplane then livestream my flight across country ?
That bike looks cool! - what kind of range do you get on that bike?
My only beef is the data cap. It’s a deal killer for me. My wife streams 30GB a month easy
What?? I use 8 or 9 GB per day ...
Which t-slot bolt did you use? Love that setup. Thks.
Never mind! I see it comes with the kit.
So many questions remain! This portable unit is $30 ON TOP of a standard subscription? The cost - in addition to the $500 equipment cost with the standard subscrption! I thought Starlink was going to offer internet access for those in extreme poverty and rural/off-grid situations. Now I know where the poverty comes from.
A small community can combine resources and buy a Starlink Mini unit and have the $150 unlimited data plan. They can have it in a communal setting for use (like a library.) The internal router can handle over 200 connections at the same time. Sounds like a win win for everyone. Your poverty probably comes from the choices you have made over the years and a lack of problem solving abilities. You don't care about others. For those of us who live in rural settings this is the ONLY reasonable solution available. In a power outage we will still be able to be online and we no longer need a landline which ATT and other companies are trying to divest themselves from providing. You just want one for yourself for free if possible.
Does this work at all indoors?
If they give unlimited data this product will change the world.
It will also slow everyone down to a crawl 😊
Could you try with a wifi 7 router if you have one please
Fantastic video ty for doing this. I have silly question so people be kind . could this be used so you could make phone calls from a cell phone ? i men i do wifi calling and this would be wifi right? Im asking as i go away to some remote places in Alaska. Second if i were anchored up could this be used again as a wifi station to make calls?. Im looking to get comms up and running and do not like the cost for hardware and data on traditional sat phones...Yes the star link option is more bulky however the cost and advantages seem to be a better option for me. whats your thoughts?
Yes. We have not cell phone signal where we live in the wooded canyon. We make wifi calls with our cell phone all the time with the Gen 2 starlink antenna. This weekend I finally made my own mount for the mini and took it on a 260 mile round trip. Used it in motion while accessing Waze, streaming Pandora and my wife streaming things off of her Facebook account without a hiccup at 65 mph. While at the camp site my friends logged into the mini and made a video call, I was using my lap top and another friend was watching RUclips 4k videos. No one at other camp sites had cell phone service.
@@BigStickism ty very much i just got my mini and am very excited. what are you using to power it?
@@dyonkers1 MAXOAK Portable Laptop Charger while using it away from the vehicle for more than 60 feet. My jeep has a cigarette lighter type connection port in the rear and I plug into that with a WOTOBEUS 120W USB C Car Charger Adapter. Both cost a little more than $30.
Gajab dimaak sir Ji 😊😊
I kind of understand why the mini dish has data cap. If they're offer unlimited data on $30 plan, it'll severely impact their bigger dish and more expensive monthly plan
Is 50 GiG low when compared to other suppliers like Verizon T-Mobile overall would you say its fair deal? I'm on the fence between just using my cell phone provider or going with starlink mini (non roam)
You can opt into more data at one dollar gig at a time. If you live where cable or fiber is available then by all means go with them.
I wanted to g et one of these before my world wide trip. But, now Starlink removed world wide roam, it's now only regional roam :(
Hello, just wondering, was your adaptor PoE or PoE+ (802.3at)? Thanks!
Also whether the adapter was passive or active, usually the smaller Ubiquiti poe injectors like the one shown are passive 24V while the active ones are a bit bigger and are 48V and actually do poe negotiation. I've burned an ethernet port with the passive injector because it just sends 24V without negotiating but I think it's usually safe if you accidentally plug in a 24V passive into a 48V active device - I forget if its the same pinout but it usually just won't power on and you'll have to grumble and dig around for the real PoE 48V injector.
his adapter was likely poe+/at, but if the device is regularly drawing 50+w from AC then you would need a poe++/802.3bt system. PoE+/at is only good for 25w usable power, PoE++/bt is good for 50w. Although I highly doubt this device supports poe++ in the first place.
@@jrchurchman13 Actually you can see the label on the PoE injector in the video if you pause at 2:01 - it definitely says 24V, which is the passive injector. I have multiple Ubiquiti passive and active injectors and none of the active 48V injectors are even that slim. Passive PoE isn't part of the 802.3 PoE standards, which runs at 48V.
Great video ! Thank you
If this is not pointed at the satellites correctly can you still get a decent signal? I was thinking of mounting this to the back of my semi truck but I wouldn't be able to climb up to it every time to adjust it.
I have used it on top of my vehicle while in motion (0ver 65 mph) with my wife watching videos on her cell phone. I rarely have a problem. While driving through narrow canyons I have had only a 45 second blackout of signal a couple of times. Not an issue on freeways unless there is a tunnel through a mountain.
That POE injector from Unifi is probably not standard POE. Even though it may be 48V, most Unifi POE injectors are passive,
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Wow, getting smaller. Looking forward to Tesla Phones that can become like Starlink nodes to do decentralized Internet. The next generation of the Internet. :)
Musk says they are not building a Tesla phone. You will be able to use your current phone for texting this year. Next year it will be phone and internet data available. They have already made a video call with a regular cell phone directly to satellite in a test.
They should build solar inside, that would cool
Just what we need. Elon to own the internet.
Not available in Canada?
👍👍 great review
Can it be powered by a car cigeratte lighter?
Yes.
I would have jumped on this if made available to me, but the 50GB data cap isn't going to cut it for me and my work.
I think the POE works but we have to find out which POE standard it's using. For example some POE uses 24 volts some use 18 volts some use 54 volts that's probably why when you plugged it in it didn't work because the voltage you used is not correct.
All 802 standard PoE is 48VDC. There are the various non-standard systems (eg. Ubiquiti), but Starlink will never use one of those.
@@jfbeam That's my point I think they use non-standard charges like ubiquiti
Sometimes warm...
Oh come on. You tout the dc capabilities and bait the drill battery, then use a inverter.
Well done that was a good video thank you
Was your POE adapter POE+?