I'll try anything but, I'm considering the guitar players who influenced me. Take Jimmy Page. He made beautiful music to say the least and always in tune up and down the neck whether it was a Tele or double neck SG or of course a Les Paul. So I'm not good enough to need anything intonated more perfectly than a well intonated standard fretted neck. Having said that, sure I'd love to play it just because it's a guitar neck that sparks my curiosity. Just as I've played 7 string guitars . I've had plenty of fun playing a 6 string with normal frets. I just don't have the need for perfect intonation to such an extent as this one. I feel like the difference is so miniscule to the ear that I wouldn't want to have to tune it in a different way than what I'm used to. It does make for a great conversation starter amongst other guitarist. "lemme check it out, what the...." Right? Outside of that I think I have a bit of a resentment against the company for giving you a bit of a run around enough so that you had to warn your subscribers 🤣 Thanks for showing us that it _plays_ much better than it looks like it should. I thought it would be trickier to play and nobody needs another obstacle right Darrel? The journey presents us with plenty of those to begin with huh man ✌️❤️🎸🎶🙏
I think a side by side comparison with sound samples would be a good idea. I didn't hear you say anything about it playing in tune much better. It seems like that's the whole point of the product. Thanks for all your videos!
If there's a difference I don't know if it would be so much better intonated to bother with the tuning issue anyway. Page, Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmore etc ... they're doing fine and if you played along with those guys and you _were_ better intonated you'd sound off slightly right? It is a nice conversation starter though! I really thought it would present problems in playing. So that was surprising. I know James Taylor tunes differently than most for the same reason but, if I'm in tune on a well intonated guitar I'm good 😂 ✌️❤️🎸🎶🙏
Although I think just intonation sounds better, even-tempered intonation is a lot easier to manufacture (straight frets) so much music is made on even-tempered instruments it SOUNDS in-tune to us.
I thought the same thing. Paul Davids played one of these a while ago and was really surprised by it and thought the sound would take some getting used to. Darrell doesn’t mentions the sound of it at all. Would love to hear a side-by-side.
This video would benefit from a part 2 where you actually show why this even exists. Especially in comparison with a normal guitar: The problematic chords, the fact that sweetened tunings work best in certain areas but can't fix the whole fretboard, and if this true temperament frets actually fix those problems completely.
Totally agree. That should have been the first thing mentioned, i.e. that standard frets are based on equal temperament (just like a piano), but are compromised by things like varying string thickness, wound vs solid string (that's why the G string part of the TT frets are particularly curvy), and stretching of the string as you press down (something Evertune also compensates for). If you've ever wondered why your open E chord sounds great, but open D sounds squirrelly, then you know why True Temperament exists.
since you have to tune some of the open strings slightly off to make it work, it still won't be a perfectly in tune neck unless you never play any open strings.
multi scale guitars must terrify you then. i play a tempered 29-26 scale and its barely noticeable going from regular frets to this. 3 minutes to adjust.
It is a little wild how few people have been exposed to true temperament. I was first exposed to these in high school almost a decade ago, and it has really changed a lot about my perception of musical quality for stringed instruments. It seemed weird, but it makes a lot of logical sense and even more theoretical sense when you think about fretless strings like the violin and cello. The more I listen to you playing, the better I can tell that your intonation is absolutely on point. Ngl, it is really convincing me that I'd prefer true temperament. The chords alone are out of this world just being 100% in tune with no pitch issues. It is so incredibly pleasing to the ear.
it makes sense if you play classical music. It doesn't make sense when you play electric guitar with other electric guitar players who don't have this system. Then you're the only one who sounds off.
These have been around for ~10 years. I have three custom necks that went through the TT treatment (two maple Warmoth and a graphite neck) and they are fantastic.
Did you get yours from the USA company in Texas? How long was your wait? Thanks. I ordered two from Sweden two weeks ago that were supposedly in stock necks, but it's been radio silence since they got my money.
@@thisperfectworld The first one I got from Sweden and it took a long time. The other two were done in Texas. All three were custom necks that I shipped to them, so it was different than stock orders, but nothing was quick. The last one was probably five or six years ago, so nothing recent.
It would seem that a huge potential downside to this would be that anyone you play with would also have to have a true tempered neck, or else they wouldn't be in tune with you. Guitars with straight frets don't have perfect intonation, but we're used to that. What's almost more crucial is that everybody's instrument has the same definition of what any given pitch is.
Yup... if you tried to play twin harmony lines with one of these things, and the other guy was playing on a traditional neck, the "prefect intonation" is gonna clash with the imperfect intonation, and it would get ugly quick, lol
This feels like a perfect collection addition for a player whose true gift is rhythm playing. Take bends out of the equation and this could be amazing.
I've had one of these necks on my Strat for a couple of years. I know it looks like bends might be a problem, but honestly, they're not. It was my one worry when I was deciding whether to buy, but right from the first time I played it, I had no problem at all. I know RUclips doesn't like links in comments, but I do have a video up with lots of bends on it - search for Just a bit of Lady Jay. I recorded that a few weeks after I got the neck.
The bends work just fine, you would think it would cause issues but it really doesn't. The frets are only uneven on a single plane so they still feel smooth and natural when bending. I played a guitar with one of these at a guitar show, it was a blast to play and you can really hear the intonation improvement. The price put it out of reach for me though. It makes sense, they are much harder to manufacture than standard fret necks.
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. Bending is no problem.
Hi Darrell, as usual a very good video to watch! I am a self taught guitar builder (not a luthier) who came across those guys for about 5 or 6 years ago when i needed help with refretting and cleaning up the weldings on a Telecaster guitar that i've won in a pokergame. It's actually a very small operation Luthiers that began as workers on former Paul Guy Guitars. Man those guys are really skilled and innovative but, as it is a very small operation and no factory production of these necks i can surely understand why they take their time to make them as high quality level as possible. And by the way. They did an excellent job on my Telecaster guitar as i expected. I also heard a rumour that Steve Vai is one of their clients but i never got that confirmed but, that made me enough curious to look them up and ask for their help. I was blown away of the skill the luthier had who simply dismounted the neck and the pickguard just to inspect how bad my guitar needed those improvements. They were all the way through very professional and even gave me an estimated price there on the spot plus when i could come back and pick it up. I am too used to traditional necks to be willing to test on of these necks i'm afraid. 54 years with the regular ones on a very large amount of guitars. Cheers! ~Rob Nilsson Musician from Sweden.
Tempered frets are really cool. I've always been bothered by guitars inability to be perfectly in tune with itself. I've developed a different tuning technique that helps me but then I have to avoid certain positions for chords. 1st position D being a big one.
If you have trouble with an open D, try a compensated nut. I don't have the means for a neck like this, but I can buy bone stock and do wonders with a set of files and sand paper.
Remember I sent you a picture of my Strat build with this neck about two or so years ago and said you should do a build on it? And yes, there was quite a delay in receiving it from the company, but it’s worth it. I wish you would have illustrated exactly how it’s in tune all over the neck by playing various open chords high on the neck in different positions to show how all the strings remain in tune against a normal guitar where they aren’t so true. The guitar neck is really designed for complex chords since playing lead on any guitar the intonation isn’t really an issue to the ear for the most part. But I’m glad to see this video of a guitar neck that’s my main ax now because my chord progressions that are played all over the neck are now in tune instead of one or two notes that shade flat.
This is really rather ingenious. I genuinely thought it was a novelty/joke when I first saw it and doubted how it would work even after you explained what it was for. Neat!
@@lyonsson6480 trained people or people with absolute pitch can definitely hear the difference, but for most people, even those with casual training, it's indistinguishable
@@grischad20 "you can definitely hear that the intonation is better than a guitar with straight frets" there was no side by side comparison, no before and after. a comparison between this modified guitar and any other guitar with straight frets from "previous listenings" is completely subjective. and you would be amazed how many "trained" people fail double blind tests in situations like this. this could have been a very good opportunity to compare the same guitar with and without the compensated fretboard, but apparently that wasn't part of the plan.
@@grischad20 Just think about it... the way the frets are moves the sound up/down by the exact amount that you move your tuning by afterwards... so at the end of the day, you've practically done nothing, but made your playing more difficult. I still maintain that this is pure snake oil... until someone shows me a real side-by-side comparison and we can see on the frequency analysis that something actually happened.
The guitar's imperfect intonation has always bothered me. At first, I thought I had rubbish guitars, but when I was able to access professional instruments, I realised no guitar intonates really well.
Wow! Thank you for this introduction and review. The OCD in me would have me attempting to "correct" those frets. It played very well, double stops and all; however, the first downside and breaking point for me would be not knowing how to keep it as perfect as it is now. I could understand this on a carbon fiber neck, which needs no adjustments from weather and time. I would not know where to begin to attempt a fretjob on this neck, and that would be my final breaking point. Thoughts?
Sup Darrell. Ever thought of reviewing Fujigen guitars? They implement circular fretting systems on all their guitars to supposedly help with intonation. Might be worth looking into. Love your content btw!
Great review and you seem like a genuine nice person. I even like how you gave the negative feedback but in a respectful and understanding way (as opposed to the all too familiar rant). Have subscribed in the strength of this review and look forward to seeing more from you.
The first time I saw frets like this was when Steve Vai showed off one of his guitars. It caught my eye because I had never seen frets bent like that before.
Years ago I saw a post on RUclips from Mattias IA Eklundh playing one of these and I was drop-jawed. Steve Vai also has a few posts playing a JEM with them. I've always wanted to try one but they cost so much for just the neck that, if I hate it, it will be one heck of an expensive experiment. Might just need to pull the trigger. Cheers, Darrell.
Save your money... they're more trouble than they're worth. And if you plan on paying in a band with another guitar player, he better have one of these ridiculous things too, otherwise the two of you will NEVER be in tune with each other.
@@notonyourlife7939, I regret to say that what you are claiming is not true. I know from experience. And you can check with eminent players like Matthias Eklundh and Per Nilsson if you don't take my word for it.
I've seen a few other instances of a neck in that style. One had the "bent" frets, and the other had split up frets. I think this design is less likely to wreck bending.
Hi Darrell, didn't you forget the most important aspect of this neck? The difference in tuning/sound compared to a normal neck for intervals and chords?
Kind of side of the subject but I am amazed how rare SS frets are. Like yeah they are bit brighter in tone and more slippery for bending but the main reason I have found out why they are not used isn't that they are harder to work with or they demand bit stronger tools that not every luthier has but that they wear the strings. Lastly I came to this reasoning while taking my quest to find better picks for my use and wandered to the metal pick area and the thing seemed to be "for better control and thin pick you sacrifice your strings". And with both cases I just can't think anything less than, why should you try to save your strings over the frets or the pick when strings basicly are the most consumable part of the guitar? If you are active player you change your strings every now and then, monthly even weekly and at least once a year or two before they start to rust, changing them twice as often because harder frets still feels like no brainer compared to getting fretwork done even once in couple decades.
They're really not that uncommon anymore... even some sub-$1K overseas guitars have stainless frets these days. I've been slowly converting all my guitars to stainless frets. Once you try them, you'll never go back... bending is effortless. Then when you pick up something with regular frets, bending feels like you're dragging the strings across sand paper, lol
If you have both perfect pitch and galloping OCD, then yes. 🤣. Otherwise, no... plus, it's worth noting that it's a huge misconception that stainless frets don't wear at all. They do... just a lot slower than regular frets. But eventually those would need some (probably minor) leveling and re-crowning, and good luck finding anybody to do it for you, lol
@@andrewjackson9417 Those with perfect pitch will notice... because they notice everything, lol... frankly I can't imagine a worse existence, but I digress. There really is no reason for these things...properly set-up traditional necks have worked just fine forever. And unless you're gonna outfit your entire band with these ridiculous things, you'll never play in tune with each other again. 🤣
@@notonyourlife7939 Every time you depress a string you bend it a little, so you pull it out of pitch. It's how the human hand works, so worrying about perfect intonation is ridiculous. BTW, I think we're on the same page here.
Wow, I ordered one of these two days ago. Going to put it on a Tele. The site said it was in stock and would arrive in 10-15 days. I'm going to be bummed if it takes 6 months. I have a Strobostomp tuner, which has tuning for these built-in.
If you've never seen these frets before, then you are missing out on Mattias IA Eklundh who has these fitted to most (if not all) of his signature Caparison "Apple Horn" guitars, including the 8 string and as others have mentioned, Steve Vai has done a couple of videos with a True Temperament neck on one of his Ibanez Jem guitars
For those of you who don't get this: This is a guitar neck for people who have "perfect pitch" and hear every little "cent" difference when a note is out of tune in a chord, and it really bothers them This is probably 0.0001% of guitar players, let alone the average person. And if you change string guage, the frets will be wrong... But DO listen to what Mattias IA Eklundh and Steve Vai do with this True Temperament system on their guitars
@@iDominic42 No. It isn't just for people with perfect pitch. I don't have perfect pitch but I've always been irritated how a guitar might sound really sweet on one chord, and less so on another. Now I have a guitar with a TT neck on it, and that irritation is a thing of the past.
Just search for "Mattias IA Eklundh harmonics"who uses True Temperament necks / frets on his guitars and has whole video lessons about using harmonics (and a volume pedal) for whole songs. He is very unconventional, but an absolute master of the technique
Thanks! I want one. As I have a Tele rather than a Strat, I may buy a Squire strat especially to try this on. That is the most unusual neck I have ever seen, apart from the fretboard on my first electric guitar which was a’Futurama 3’ back in the late ‘70s. That had been well used, and was out of shape in many ways, but was my first electric guitar and this somehow reminds me of that guitar. I love electric guitars; they must be the most expressive musical instrument on the planet.
Wow Darell, looks like you’ve inspired my second build. The first one you kick started was your super strat with the darkmoon abalone humbuckers. That guitar I used a shape similar to a PRS. But I’ve been wanting an actual strat for a while now. I guess I’ll be getting in line for my new neck 😂
I sent Darrell a picture of my Strat build with this neck. If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. You might have to buy a new tuner though in order to get the cents per string right, but no biggie.
Steve I was using their necks at one time. I believe he had it on either his Evo or flow Jems but for some reason he's no longer using them. Don't know what his reason was but he was endorsing them. Now Steve seems to be into the scallop necks which I've tried and don't care for.
Equal temperment can sometimes sound wierd to my ear, if power chords aren't super clean they sound off to me, alot of intervals that involve the B string sound off to my ear as well, but this neck sounded SO GOOD. But theres no way i could wait 6 months after paying, I'm too poor to let a company borrow my money for 6 months before I get the product I ordered.
Well, I'm OCD when it comes to tuning, so I would consider this, yes. My issue, and like you said is the odd tuning. Why can't they adjust for that to start with on the frets, since they're already messing with them? That might make me actually buy it, since I am a road musician. I need to quick tune when needed.
As mentioned below, you don't do any sound/temperament comparisons, which is a shame - surely the switch to true temperament is the key reason for buying?
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. If you play your normal neck guitar and often hear how various chords sound slightly out of tune and it bugs you as much as it bugs me, then this neck is for you. If you don't notice it, then it might not matter to have this neck.
For those thinking how it'll sync with other guitarists using traditional fretted guitars, it's a non issue. Listen to dual lead guitar bands like Iron Maiden (that's 3 guitars), amon amarth, Kalmah, etc.. the guitarists are doing their own thing on most of the songs, not always in sync. But it all comes together to create some glorious tunes.
Steve Vai uses True Temperament fretting on a few of his guitar and yes, tuning is second to none over the whole neck. The company is situated in Sweden and it is a small operation.
Like the idea, but would never get along with the frets personally. I like doing crazy bends, like 2, 2 and a half steps, and i feel like these frets would mess with that. Super cool idea tho!
@@martyshwaartz971 Yea, I get such an irk from out of tune chords😭 the fact that chords up and down the fret are still technically out of tune even when the guitar is "in tune" bugs me out so much
Nice video. I have one of those myself and I really love it. Just want to mention that the inventor of this system Anders Thidell past away this fall and his life work and legacy should be worth mentioning. Also I would assume things have been a bit strange around the company due to this lately. Anyway, great review
What makes me kind of laugh is this sort of thing is typical of he times we live in. I have one question, and that is "Why?" OK. Intonation. I doubt anyone other than the person playing it would even care.
Using a wound third (G) string and tuning it a few cents flat goes a long way to making it play more nicely. Also, a heck of a lot cheaper and you can apply it to any guitar.
Exactly! That damn string is a world of hurt. I always use a wound one and that helps, but the TT neck eliminated the problem. If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much.
Been wanting to try out true temperament for a long time. Problem is the only production model I could find was a Strandberg, which is s high price to pay just to try something out. Heard them before and they sound amazing, like a guitar probably always should have had the tech existed when guitars were first invented.
I don't know man! Considering that the strings do stretch and how much we stretch them playing and the fact that they recommend gourmet tuning that would hone the intonation. Also we are not generally marketed intonatable nuts and the intonation on the bridge is yeah! maybe a little short. Are these sidewinder snakes worth the trouble? I thought it sounded bright.
Seems like I can hear lots of the notes being a smidge flatter than usual, which kinda glues chords together better...gives it all a completely different feel. I'm having trouble adjusting one of my guitars lately because the octaves are perfect but the first frets are sharp. The neck you're showing makes perfect sense to me.
Have your neck looked at for a bow, twist, etc. Also check all your frets are leveled and crowned. Should fix your issue if it's truly intonated correctly
@@micemr76 Thanks. I refretted it myself and they're correct, the neck has a slight bow which I'm getting ready to address. I'm wondering if the new nut I installed is too high. I'll check the string clearance at the nut.
The compensated *nut* is to make slight adjustments in the *scale length* to make an even-tempered guitar sound in-tune with itself (get the intervals equal, to the 12th root of 2). It's the same principle used at the bridge to compensate for the string going slightly sharp when they're fretted, because the strings stretch slightly as they are pressed down... the way you compensate for this is to slightly increase the scale length. The point of a just-intonated neck is to move the tuning of the *individual* notes around so they ring with each other. That's why you have to do the "stretch" tuning Darrel talks about towards for it to work.
Lol I bet if you played that guitar live at a gig , that would probably screw somebody's head up at the club that is drunk ......Even as I was looking at the frets sober as can be I felt like i had double vision....LOL
Darrell from a ( senior player prospective ) with arthritis really putting on the big hurt in my left hand finger knuckles and wrist joints. Making it difficult to apply the correct pressure across the neck for most cords types, could you see these crooked frets actually helping old people with crooked fingers with pain filled joints able to make guitar music easier for us. Something for you to think about and maybe making another video with that line of thought input, very good video , thanks.
As you have to alter the tuning slightly, I'm surprised that there isn't a compensated nut? Otherwise you have all your frets perfectly intonated, but not your open strings, which seems a bit self-defeating...?
Your shipping experience was better than mine! I ordered the Yamaha Pacifica 612 (same model you demo’d) in March 2021 but didn’t get it until May 2022! Fortunately, I didn’t have to pay the shop until it arrived
Since the neck is made to provide correct tuning you should demonstrate whether that is truly the case. Show us the tuning on several several strings and frets.
Idk about that with fender making a roasted Maple neck with stainless steel frets at $329 I got one off of the Sweetwater and put it on one of my strats and it plays and sounds so amazing
I know these fretwork from the Caparison signature Applehorn 8 string guitar for Mattias IA Ecklundh. This signature guitar is awesome, it has this true temperament frets and a tremolo system... But it is very expensive. If you don't know Mattias IA Ecklundh, check out his RUclips channel, a little bit crazy but I like him. Caparison has also other great guitars on their website, but only the Applehorn has the true temperament frets. The only thing that I don't like so much, is that I have to adjust all tunings for every single string, including the adjustment of the the bridge section...
I'm curious if you had to completely reset the intonation at the bridge. I would think it would adjust to a more straight across pattern there since it looks like the frets are taking the bulk of the load.
Just intonation is getting the intervals BETWEEN notes right so chords sound in-tune. The intonation adjustment at the bridge has an effect, but is not the same thing.
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Would you guys ever rock a neck like this? Let me know!
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I'd definetly try
I’d try this
Nah. Pretty much lost me at the tuning differentials. Other than that, it's cool!
I can't believe you don't know temperament frets.
I'll try anything but, I'm considering the guitar players who influenced me. Take Jimmy Page. He made beautiful music to say the least and always in tune up and down the neck whether it was a Tele or double neck SG or of course a Les Paul.
So I'm not good enough to need anything intonated more perfectly than a well intonated standard fretted neck.
Having said that, sure I'd love to play it just because it's a guitar neck that sparks my curiosity. Just as I've played 7 string guitars . I've had plenty of fun playing a 6 string with normal frets. I just don't have the need for perfect intonation to such an extent as this one. I feel like the difference is so miniscule to the ear that I wouldn't want to have to tune it in a different way than what I'm used to.
It does make for a great conversation starter amongst other guitarist. "lemme check it out, what the...." Right?
Outside of that I think I have a bit of a resentment against the company for giving you a bit of a run around enough so that you had to warn your subscribers 🤣
Thanks for showing us that it _plays_ much better than it looks like it should. I thought it would be trickier to play and nobody needs another obstacle right Darrel? The journey presents us with plenty of those to begin with huh man ✌️❤️🎸🎶🙏
I think a side by side comparison with sound samples would be a good idea. I didn't hear you say anything about it playing in tune much better. It seems like that's the whole point of the product. Thanks for all your videos!
If there's a difference I don't know if it would be so much better intonated to bother with the tuning issue anyway.
Page, Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmore etc ... they're doing fine and if you played along with those guys and you _were_ better intonated you'd sound off slightly right?
It is a nice conversation starter though!
I really thought it would present problems in playing. So that was surprising.
I know James Taylor tunes differently than most for the same reason but, if I'm in tune on a well intonated guitar I'm good 😂
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Although I think just intonation sounds better, even-tempered intonation is a lot easier to manufacture (straight frets) so much music is made on even-tempered instruments it SOUNDS in-tune to us.
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I thought the same thing. Paul Davids played one of these a while ago and was really surprised by it and thought the sound would take some getting used to. Darrell doesn’t mentions the sound of it at all. Would love to hear a side-by-side.
Could you not hear it yourself?
This video would benefit from a part 2 where you actually show why this even exists. Especially in comparison with a normal guitar: The problematic chords, the fact that sweetened tunings work best in certain areas but can't fix the whole fretboard, and if this true temperament frets actually fix those problems completely.
Totally agree. That should have been the first thing mentioned, i.e. that standard frets are based on equal temperament (just like a piano), but are compromised by things like varying string thickness, wound vs solid string (that's why the G string part of the TT frets are particularly curvy), and stretching of the string as you press down (something Evertune also compensates for). If you've ever wondered why your open E chord sounds great, but open D sounds squirrelly, then you know why True Temperament exists.
Imagine the bends 🤣. It'll sound like autotune
Edit; I guess not 😔
since you have to tune some of the open strings slightly off to make it work, it still won't be a perfectly in tune neck unless you never play any open strings.
multi scale guitars must terrify you then. i play a tempered 29-26 scale and its barely noticeable going from regular frets to this. 3 minutes to adjust.
@@kiyanharchegani2588 yeah? really? uh huh
It is a little wild how few people have been exposed to true temperament. I was first exposed to these in high school almost a decade ago, and it has really changed a lot about my perception of musical quality for stringed instruments. It seemed weird, but it makes a lot of logical sense and even more theoretical sense when you think about fretless strings like the violin and cello.
The more I listen to you playing, the better I can tell that your intonation is absolutely on point. Ngl, it is really convincing me that I'd prefer true temperament. The chords alone are out of this world just being 100% in tune with no pitch issues. It is so incredibly pleasing to the ear.
Ikr, there nothing new, and everyone here is freaking out
it makes sense if you play classical music. It doesn't make sense when you play electric guitar with other electric guitar players who don't have this system. Then you're the only one who sounds off.
@@KP-by4eu It really doesn't make much sense at all. None of the great classical and jazz guitarists ever needed this and I figure I don't either.
Its very interesting. I wonder how it will sound together with another guitar that is in standard intonation. And how it will sound with voice!
These have been around for ~10 years. I have three custom necks that went through the TT treatment (two maple Warmoth and a graphite neck) and they are fantastic.
Yup, even remember the company who came up with these walking into our guitar shop introducing it.
Was quite the interesting play session gotta say.
Do you notice a difference when playing with other instruments without this factor! I'm guessing not!
Did you get yours from the USA company in Texas? How long was your wait? Thanks. I ordered two from Sweden two weeks ago that were supposedly in stock necks, but it's been radio silence since they got my money.
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The first one I got from Sweden and it took a long time. The other two were done in Texas.
All three were custom necks that I shipped to them, so it was different than stock orders, but nothing was quick. The last one was probably five or six years ago, so nothing recent.
It would seem that a huge potential downside to this would be that anyone you play with would also have to have a true tempered neck, or else they wouldn't be in tune with you. Guitars with straight frets don't have perfect intonation, but we're used to that. What's almost more crucial is that everybody's instrument has the same definition of what any given pitch is.
There are keyboards that can be switched to just intonation, but it's still pretty rare. ;)
Yup... if you tried to play twin harmony lines with one of these things, and the other guy was playing on a traditional neck, the "prefect intonation" is gonna clash with the imperfect intonation, and it would get ugly quick, lol
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It’s ugly looks like an elementary art class made it😂
This came out over a decade ago.
Thanks, I hate it. This is an acid flashback. Somebody built the guitar that my kid drew. My scoliosis is cured.
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Lol check out if drawings by children were real...so disturbing
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Appreciate the honesty dude, most would’ve just said how great it was and fail to mention the buying experience, good man
This feels like a perfect collection addition for a player whose true gift is rhythm playing. Take bends out of the equation and this could be amazing.
I've had one of these necks on my Strat for a couple of years. I know it looks like bends might be a problem, but honestly, they're not. It was my one worry when I was deciding whether to buy, but right from the first time I played it, I had no problem at all.
I know RUclips doesn't like links in comments, but I do have a video up with lots of bends on it - search for Just a bit of Lady Jay. I recorded that a few weeks after I got the neck.
The bends work just fine, you would think it would cause issues but it really doesn't. The frets are only uneven on a single plane so they still feel smooth and natural when bending. I played a guitar with one of these at a guitar show, it was a blast to play and you can really hear the intonation improvement. The price put it out of reach for me though. It makes sense, they are much harder to manufacture than standard fret necks.
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. Bending is no problem.
Hi Darrell, as usual a very good video to watch! I am a self taught guitar builder (not a luthier) who came across those guys for about 5 or 6 years ago when i needed help with refretting and cleaning up the weldings on a Telecaster guitar that i've won in a pokergame. It's actually a very small operation Luthiers that began as workers on former Paul Guy Guitars. Man those guys are really skilled and innovative but, as it is a very small operation and no factory production of these necks i can surely understand why they take their time to make them as high quality level as possible. And by the way. They did an excellent job on my Telecaster guitar as i expected. I also heard a rumour that Steve Vai is one of their clients but i never got that confirmed but, that made me enough curious to look them up and ask for their help. I was blown away of the skill the luthier had who simply dismounted the neck and the pickguard just to inspect how bad my guitar needed those improvements. They were all the way through very professional and even gave me an estimated price there on the spot plus when i could come back and pick it up.
I am too used to traditional necks to be willing to test on of these necks i'm afraid. 54 years with the regular ones on a very large amount of guitars. Cheers! ~Rob Nilsson Musician from Sweden.
Tempered frets are really cool. I've always been bothered by guitars inability to be perfectly in tune with itself. I've developed a different tuning technique that helps me but then I have to avoid certain positions for chords. 1st position D being a big one.
If you have trouble with an open D, try a compensated nut. I don't have the means for a neck like this, but I can buy bone stock and do wonders with a set of files and sand paper.
Remember I sent you a picture of my Strat build with this neck about two or so years ago and said you should do a build on it? And yes, there was quite a delay in receiving it from the company, but it’s worth it.
I wish you would have illustrated exactly how it’s in tune all over the neck by playing various open chords high on the neck in different positions to show how all the strings remain in tune against a normal guitar where they aren’t so true.
The guitar neck is really designed for complex chords since playing lead on any guitar the intonation isn’t really an issue to the ear for the most part. But I’m glad to see this video of a guitar neck that’s my main ax now because my chord progressions that are played all over the neck are now in tune instead of one or two notes that shade flat.
What was your delay? Did they also refuse to give you any updates after you paid?
This is really rather ingenious. I genuinely thought it was a novelty/joke when I first saw it and doubted how it would work even after you explained what it was for. Neat!
Wow. You can definitely hear that the intonation is better than a guitar with straight frets. Surprisingly cool. Thanks Darrell!
sarcasm much?
Are you serious?
@@lyonsson6480 trained people or people with absolute pitch can definitely hear the difference, but for most people, even those with casual training, it's indistinguishable
@@grischad20 "you can definitely hear that the intonation is better than a guitar with straight frets" there was no side by side comparison, no before and after. a comparison between this modified guitar and any other guitar with straight frets from "previous listenings" is completely subjective. and you would be amazed how many "trained" people fail double blind tests in situations like this. this could have been a very good opportunity to compare the same guitar with and without the compensated fretboard, but apparently that wasn't part of the plan.
@@grischad20 Just think about it... the way the frets are moves the sound up/down by the exact amount that you move your tuning by afterwards... so at the end of the day, you've practically done nothing, but made your playing more difficult. I still maintain that this is pure snake oil... until someone shows me a real side-by-side comparison and we can see on the frequency analysis that something actually happened.
Its still amazing to me how the greatest players inspire on just regular guitars...I'll be happy when I can play phenomenal on a regular guitar...
Really cool. Seems like a solution to a problem no one had, tho..especially if it needs to be tuned differently.
The guitar's imperfect intonation has always bothered me. At first, I thought I had rubbish guitars, but when I was able to access professional instruments, I realised no guitar intonates really well.
This sounds like a more accurate representation of how sound actually flows from instrument to ear
Lol, you won a flying guitar..... flies right into your head. Pow....lol
What a load of BS.
Probably already answered but, ... you forgot to show us the intonation/set-up at the bridge. Excellent info., merci.
Does it do what it is supposed to do for intonation?
Now have this plus the scalloped neck
They are out there
Let's give our boy Darrell some likes to recoup for that insanely high price for that neck. Thank you for the honest info.
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What a scammer like you who couldn't even spell guitar correctly lol
Licensed Fender replacement necks around $350. These necks $600-650. Not comparable in price IMO.
@@uncleremus64 who said they were comparable?
@@216trixie Uh, Darrell @ 2:39
Wow! Thank you for this introduction and review. The OCD in me would have me attempting to "correct" those frets. It played very well, double stops and all; however, the first downside and breaking point for me would be not knowing how to keep it as perfect as it is now. I could understand this on a carbon fiber neck, which needs no adjustments from weather and time. I would not know where to begin to attempt a fretjob on this neck, and that would be my final breaking point. Thoughts?
Sup Darrell. Ever thought of reviewing Fujigen guitars? They implement circular fretting systems on all their guitars to supposedly help with intonation. Might be worth looking into.
Love your content btw!
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Great review and you seem like a genuine nice person. I even like how you gave the negative feedback but in a respectful and understanding way (as opposed to the all too familiar rant). Have subscribed in the strength of this review and look forward to seeing more from you.
The first time I saw frets like this was when Steve Vai showed off one of his guitars. It caught my eye because I had never seen frets bent like that before.
Wasn't ia Eklund from freak kitchen one of the first who used this type of frets?
this is a really great system i've got one 10 years ago tune perfectly easy to play love it🥰
Years ago I saw a post on RUclips from Mattias IA Eklundh playing one of these and I was drop-jawed. Steve Vai also has a few posts playing a JEM with them. I've always wanted to try one but they cost so much for just the neck that, if I hate it, it will be one heck of an expensive experiment. Might just need to pull the trigger. Cheers, Darrell.
Save your money... they're more trouble than they're worth. And if you plan on paying in a band with another guitar player, he better have one of these ridiculous things too, otherwise the two of you will NEVER be in tune with each other.
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@@notonyourlife7939, I regret to say that what you are claiming is not true. I know from experience. And you can check with eminent players like Matthias Eklundh and Per Nilsson if you don't take my word for it.
@@frodeleirvik Per won't take my calls.
I've seen a few other instances of a neck in that style. One had the "bent" frets, and the other had split up frets. I think this design is less likely to wreck bending.
Hi Darrell, didn't you forget the most important aspect of this neck? The difference in tuning/sound compared to a normal neck for intervals and chords?
Yeah, he didn't demonstrate the differences. Maybe another time he will.
Reminds me of those crazy micro tonal necks. Have you done a video on those yet?
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I miss the intro where he throws the acoustic guitar on the roof of the snow covered shed and then trips and faceplants on his way back inside.
Kind of side of the subject but I am amazed how rare SS frets are. Like yeah they are bit brighter in tone and more slippery for bending but the main reason I have found out why they are not used isn't that they are harder to work with or they demand bit stronger tools that not every luthier has but that they wear the strings. Lastly I came to this reasoning while taking my quest to find better picks for my use and wandered to the metal pick area and the thing seemed to be "for better control and thin pick you sacrifice your strings". And with both cases I just can't think anything less than, why should you try to save your strings over the frets or the pick when strings basicly are the most consumable part of the guitar?
If you are active player you change your strings every now and then, monthly even weekly and at least once a year or two before they start to rust, changing them twice as often because harder frets still feels like no brainer compared to getting fretwork done even once in couple decades.
Stainless frets don’t have dimples in them a year later
They're really not that uncommon anymore... even some sub-$1K overseas guitars have stainless frets these days. I've been slowly converting all my guitars to stainless frets. Once you try them, you'll never go back... bending is effortless. Then when you pick up something with regular frets, bending feels like you're dragging the strings across sand paper, lol
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Who knew that a perfect intonation would be such a...jagged experience.
My question is: is there really any advantage to this over a good regular neck?
If you have both perfect pitch and galloping OCD, then yes. 🤣. Otherwise, no... plus, it's worth noting that it's a huge misconception that stainless frets don't wear at all. They do... just a lot slower than regular frets. But eventually those would need some (probably minor) leveling and re-crowning, and good luck finding anybody to do it for you, lol
@@notonyourlife7939 To be honest I'm not convinced it does anything.
@@andrewjackson9417 Those with perfect pitch will notice... because they notice everything, lol... frankly I can't imagine a worse existence, but I digress. There really is no reason for these things...properly set-up traditional necks have worked just fine forever. And unless you're gonna outfit your entire band with these ridiculous things, you'll never play in tune with each other again. 🤣
@@notonyourlife7939 Every time you depress a string you bend it a little, so you pull it out of pitch. It's how the human hand works, so worrying about perfect intonation is ridiculous. BTW, I think we're on the same page here.
@@andrewjackson9417 Oh absolutely... this thing is silly.🤣👍
Wow, I ordered one of these two days ago. Going to put it on a Tele. The site said it was in stock and would arrive in 10-15 days. I'm going to be bummed if it takes 6 months. I have a Strobostomp tuner, which has tuning for these built-in.
If you put that thing on a Tele, you'll never be allowed to set foot in Nashville...🤣
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Did I miss you saying the intonation was better or not?
If you've never seen these frets before, then you are missing out on Mattias IA Eklundh who has these fitted to most (if not all) of his signature Caparison "Apple Horn" guitars, including the 8 string
and as others have mentioned, Steve Vai has done a couple of videos with a True Temperament neck on one of his Ibanez Jem guitars
For those of you who don't get this:
This is a guitar neck for people who have "perfect pitch" and hear every little "cent" difference when a note is out of tune in a chord, and it really bothers them
This is probably 0.0001% of guitar players, let alone the average person.
And if you change string guage, the frets will be wrong...
But DO listen to what Mattias IA Eklundh and Steve Vai do with this True Temperament system on their guitars
@@iDominic42 No. It isn't just for people with perfect pitch. I don't have perfect pitch but I've always been irritated how a guitar might sound really sweet on one chord, and less so on another. Now I have a guitar with a TT neck on it, and that irritation is a thing of the past.
WOuld be nice to see a side by side comparison through a tuner
Man the g string is a freak. He really does do his own thing. What a pervy guy.
Question Darrell, how do the frets work with harmonics? Thanks for your videos.
Ahh, excellent question! Curious now too.
Just search for "Mattias IA Eklundh harmonics"who uses True Temperament necks / frets on his guitars and has whole video lessons about using harmonics (and a volume pedal) for whole songs. He is very unconventional, but an absolute master of the technique
Thanks! I want one.
As I have a Tele rather than a Strat, I may buy a Squire strat especially to try this on.
That is the most unusual neck I have ever seen, apart from the fretboard on my first electric guitar which was a’Futurama 3’ back in the late ‘70s. That had been well used, and was out of shape in many ways, but was my first electric guitar and this somehow reminds me of that guitar.
I love electric guitars; they must be the most expressive musical instrument on the planet.
Wow Darell, looks like you’ve inspired my second build. The first one you kick started was your super strat with the darkmoon abalone humbuckers. That guitar I used a shape similar to a PRS. But I’ve been wanting an actual strat for a while now. I guess I’ll be getting in line for my new neck 😂
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I sent Darrell a picture of my Strat build with this neck. If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. You might have to buy a new tuner though in order to get the cents per string right, but no biggie.
Steve I was using their necks at one time. I believe he had it on either his Evo or flow Jems but for some reason he's no longer using them. Don't know what his reason was but he was endorsing them. Now Steve seems to be into the scallop necks which I've tried and don't care for.
Watching you play those wonky frets hypnotized me. Now I think I'm a chicken.
"Marge, I'm a chicken!"
@@LazyCat010 I know, I know
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Your frets are melted!! How can this have perfect intonation? Have they never heard of alternative tuning?
I’m more surprised you’ve never seen the true temperament neck prior more than anything
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These necks have been around for decades.
I'd love to see you combine this with the EverTune bridge!!!! :)
You are so nice even when you are critiquing. Good for you Darrell!
I would love to see a video about what you need to setup your guitar to a Pc and accessories, software etc.
Hard to judge the tuning with the strings settling in. Head to head with straight frets might be a good comparison.
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Equal temperment can sometimes sound wierd to my ear, if power chords aren't super clean they sound off to me, alot of intervals that involve the B string sound off to my ear as well, but this neck sounded SO GOOD. But theres no way i could wait 6 months after paying, I'm too poor to let a company borrow my money for 6 months before I get the product I ordered.
Whoa! I need to chill with the ‘shrooms. That neck is moving around like its alive. Help.
Dysfunction has never sounded more beautiful.
It would be a nightmare to crown those frets.
Definitely ain't using a file!
SS frets make this neck possible!
You don’t crown regular SS frets.
@@Hickalum But imagine trying to crown them.
Well, I'm OCD when it comes to tuning, so I would consider this, yes. My issue, and like you said is the odd tuning. Why can't they adjust for that to start with on the frets, since they're already messing with them? That might make me actually buy it, since I am a road musician. I need to quick tune when needed.
Potential downside: you can’t use alternate tunings. You’d need another neck set for Open D, Open G, etc.
You can use alt tunings. The company provides a whole series of how to tune the strings for different tunings.
As mentioned below, you don't do any sound/temperament comparisons, which is a shame - surely the switch to true temperament is the key reason for buying?
Would love to hear the difference in intonation compared to the normal neck! (Is it worth it?)
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. If you play your normal neck guitar and often hear how various chords sound slightly out of tune and it bugs you as much as it bugs me, then this neck is for you. If you don't notice it, then it might not matter to have this neck.
@@johnmark7777 Well said
Good of you to mention the buying process, honest reviews are very important nowadays. 🍻
For those thinking how it'll sync with other guitarists using traditional fretted guitars, it's a non issue.
Listen to dual lead guitar bands like Iron Maiden (that's 3 guitars), amon amarth, Kalmah, etc.. the guitarists are doing their own thing on most of the songs, not always in sync. But it all comes together to create some glorious tunes.
I wouldn't be able to get my head around the funky tuning. Thanks for the vid.
It’s standard tuning…
Fair review. Thanks. Prolly gonna sick with my stock neck so I can blame my imperfections on the straight frets.
You should have held this for April 1st! We would never have believed it was real!!!
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Steve Vai uses True Temperament fretting on a few of his guitar and yes, tuning is second to none over the whole neck.
The company is situated in Sweden and it is a small operation.
The tuning would probably drive me a little crazy, especially on the fly.
Google has been reading my mind again, and telling RUclips. Added to a playlist to watch later.
Like the idea, but would never get along with the frets personally. I like doing crazy bends, like 2, 2 and a half steps, and i feel like these frets would mess with that. Super cool idea tho!
I think the fact he never played a nice slow full tone bend tells the story.
Imagine these with an evertune for rhythm work though, I’m sure the keys would appreciate it!
@@martyshwaartz971 Yea, I get such an irk from out of tune chords😭 the fact that chords up and down the fret are still technically out of tune even when the guitar is "in tune" bugs me out so much
They actually don’t! Check out Mattias Eklundh from Freak Kitchen, he almost exclusively plays these and does absolutely crazy bends.
@@RajorshiBhattacharyya, exactly! I just don't get it why people are so caught up in the "they don't bend" when they have never ever tried it.
Guitars gone crazzy and girls gone wild.
Nice video. I have one of those myself and I really love it. Just want to mention that the inventor of this system Anders Thidell past away this fall and his life work and legacy should be worth mentioning. Also I would assume things have been a bit strange around the company due to this lately. Anyway, great review
I have one and I love it, too.
Did you buy that out of Portland Oregon? I know the guys who started that company and have many hours playing on that design
What makes me kind of laugh is this sort of thing is typical of he times we live in.
I have one question, and that is "Why?"
OK. Intonation. I doubt anyone other than the person playing it would even care.
Yeah... this is definitely in the "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category. 🤣👍
Yeah I'd definitely give it a go. Maybe to get that "G" string to play nice with the other strings.
Using a wound third (G) string and tuning it a few cents flat goes a long way to making it play more nicely. Also, a heck of a lot cheaper and you can apply it to any guitar.
Exactly! That damn string is a world of hurt. I always use a wound one and that helps, but the TT neck eliminated the problem. If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much.
Been wanting to try out true temperament for a long time. Problem is the only production model I could find was a Strandberg, which is s high price to pay just to try something out.
Heard them before and they sound amazing, like a guitar probably always should have had the tech existed when guitars were first invented.
I don't know man! Considering that the strings do stretch and how much we stretch them playing and the fact that they recommend gourmet tuning that would hone the intonation. Also we are not generally marketed intonatable nuts and the intonation on the bridge is yeah! maybe a little short. Are these sidewinder snakes worth the trouble? I thought it sounded bright.
Looks like my fret work
Seems like I can hear lots of the notes being a smidge flatter than usual, which kinda glues chords together better...gives it all a completely different feel. I'm having trouble adjusting one of my guitars lately because the octaves are perfect but the first frets are sharp. The neck you're showing makes perfect sense to me.
Have your neck looked at for a bow, twist, etc. Also check all your frets are leveled and crowned. Should fix your issue if it's truly intonated correctly
@@micemr76 Thanks. I refretted it myself and they're correct, the neck has a slight bow which I'm getting ready to address. I'm wondering if the new nut I installed is too high. I'll check the string clearance at the nut.
@@zen7349 I learned something new! Thanks.
@@choimdachoim9491 if your first few frets play out of tune, then the nut slots are cut too high.
@@216trixie thanks. I was surprised last night to see how much nut-files cost.
Now just add an Evertune and you have a guitar that is perfectly in tune all the time.
but how do you scallop it?
They should have had a zero fret of the same or a compensated nut
Good point. He needs to swap out that plain graphtech.
The compensated *nut* is to make slight adjustments in the *scale length* to make an even-tempered guitar sound in-tune with itself (get the intervals equal, to the 12th root of 2). It's the same principle used at the bridge to compensate for the string going slightly sharp when they're fretted, because the strings stretch slightly as they are pressed down... the way you compensate for this is to slightly increase the scale length.
The point of a just-intonated neck is to move the tuning of the *individual* notes around so they ring with each other. That's why you have to do the "stretch" tuning Darrel talks about towards for it to work.
6:54 not sure if that’s because of the string still stretching as you mentioned but it sounded out of tune.
Lol I bet if you played that guitar live at a gig , that would probably screw somebody's head up at the club that is drunk ......Even as I was looking at the frets sober as can be I felt like i had double vision....LOL
Hey Darrell, great channel! I'm a big fan. Greeting from Santiago de Chile.
These true temperament neck are super awesome, but I can imagine fretwork to be an absolute NIGHTMARE.
thankfully theyre stainless steel and not nickel
6 months?! Lucky!
My Jem is coming in next week after ordering it in May 2021.
$650 (USD) is more than most of my guitars. But I do like the idea of them.
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Did you check the intonation with a strobe tuner ?
Taking your money and waiting 6 months for a neck without a notice beforehand is a deal breaker for me.
I thought the exact same thing.
Exactly. And Darrell had the most polite rant about it that I have ever heard!
Darrell from a ( senior player prospective ) with arthritis really putting on the big hurt in my left hand finger knuckles and wrist joints. Making it difficult to apply the correct pressure across the neck for most cords types, could you see these crooked frets actually helping old people with crooked fingers with pain filled joints able to make guitar music easier for us. Something for you to think about and maybe making another video with that line of thought input, very good video , thanks.
Have you ever tried fanned frets? The theory is that it allows you to have a more natural wrist position. I've never tried them but it makes sense.
As you have to alter the tuning slightly, I'm surprised that there isn't a compensated nut? Otherwise you have all your frets perfectly intonated, but not your open strings, which seems a bit self-defeating...?
it probably took the extra 5 months to level and polish those wonky frets. That would be tedious.
Your shipping experience was better than mine! I ordered the Yamaha Pacifica 612 (same model you demo’d) in March 2021 but didn’t get it until May 2022! Fortunately, I didn’t have to pay the shop until it arrived
Since the neck is made to provide correct tuning you should demonstrate whether that is truly the case. Show us the tuning on several several strings and frets.
that's the weirdest thing I have ever seen with regards to guitar fretwork 😄 Thanks for sharing Bro!
Idk about that with fender making a roasted Maple neck with stainless steel frets at $329 I got one off of the Sweetwater and put it on one of my strats and it plays and sounds so amazing
Thats so cool It gets me a little Dizzy watching you play with those crooked frets,LOLL!
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I know these fretwork from the Caparison signature Applehorn 8 string guitar for Mattias IA Ecklundh. This signature guitar is awesome, it has this true temperament frets and a tremolo system... But it is very expensive. If you don't know Mattias IA Ecklundh, check out his RUclips channel, a little bit crazy but I like him. Caparison has also other great guitars on their website, but only the Applehorn has the true temperament frets. The only thing that I don't like so much, is that I have to adjust all tunings for every single string, including the adjustment of the the bridge section...
Don't you need to have a compensated nut too for the open string chords?
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I knew I would find your video the moment I started to look up these necks!
I'm curious if you had to completely reset the intonation at the bridge. I would think it would adjust to a more straight across pattern there since it looks like the frets are taking the bulk of the load.
Intonation is only taken on a full octave range. The frets don't really matter. It's the length of the string.
Just intonation is getting the intervals BETWEEN notes right so chords sound in-tune. The intonation adjustment at the bridge has an effect, but is not the same thing.
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Any neck change always requires redoing the intonation.
intonation is stunning