These Pilots Broke The Rules and Crashed Their Airbus A330 | Turkish Airlines Flight 726
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2022
- On 3 March 2015, Turkish Airlines Flight 726 departed the runway on landing at Tribhuvan International Airport, Kathmandu, Nepal. The Airbus A330-300 operating the flight, TC-JOC, was severely damaged when its nose gear collapsed, causing damage to the fuselage and both wings. There were 224 passengers and 11 crew members on board. The pilots of the Airbus A330 broke some rules, ending up in a terrible situation.
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These Pilots Broke The Rules and Crashed Their Airbus A330 | Turkish Airlines Flight 726
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Just a small fix, Turkey's capital is Ankara, not Istanbul :) Great video as always!
doesnt matter. both historical and cultural capital. and biggest and most important city.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j historical capital?😂
@@yulaviation3868 historically it's been the capital.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j it matters! Ankara is the official capital since 1923! True, Istanbul is the largest and most important city in Turkey, but not the capital! Claiming that Istanbul is the capital has other connotations!
i was about to write it 🤣🤣
it really disturbed me 🤣🤣
people would never understand us bro
I find it _insane_ that the airline did not listen to its own _internal_ recommendations to reschedule the flights, so they would _never_ arrive in the misty mornings.
It must have cost them _so much_ extra (spare) fuel on _every_ flight, that I'm _really_ surprised no one ran the math...
Also, hilarious how the plane essentially ended up being scrapped - imagine how *inconvenient* it must have been to the passengers and airline to get an empty plane there to come pick them up 😆
As the saying goes: If you think safety is expensive, try an accident.
Such recommendations are typically weighed against other network considerations. The decision, not to do it, is not necessarily ‘insane’. An example of why you would not do it can be that the airplane would return to home base too late to be utilized for another flight by the carrier, later that day. This could possibly be much more expensive than the extra fueal being used in weather related holdings.
Fact of the matter is that it wasn’t the rejection of this recommendation which eventually caused the crash; it was the fact that the pilots violated operating procedures. If they would have gone around, as required, the crash would not have happened then.
And the aircraft was only 4 months old
@@TribusMontibus Well, you can't deny that the rejection of the recommendation to schedule the flights for a bit later wasn't a least a contributing factor. (Though I do understand that there probably were countervailing considerations, as you mentioned. Nonetheless, if the morning fog is a regular occurrence there, the airline probably should've pushed the schedule back a bit, regardless.)
Of course, the pilots are always ultimately responsible for handling the plane and making the decision to land or go around, but they had already gone around once, and a diversion to Delhi would indeed have been a major inconvenience. Also, they had been given some misleading weather info, so all in all, I can understand their point of view.
My question is, didn't the radio altimeter tell them what their altitude was? If the minimum descent altitude is 300 feet, I might be willing to "fudge" a little and go down to 250 or even 200. But apparently they didn't see the runway until they were just 14 feet above it. What the hell? How did _that_ happen?
@@Milesco Oh, I’m not denying that it didn’t contribute to an unfavourable situation.
But, you see, that’s exactly why the rules pertaining to minimum descent altitudes are utterly inflexible; because it’s the last line of defense protecting the lives of passengers and crew. And these guys violated the rules, ‘with a cherry on top’!
What you are suggesting (fudging by 50 or 100 feet) will make every airline pilot cringe. Even fudging it by 1 foot is highly illegal (I don’t mean that figuratively; you are subject to criminal charges if you knowingly and willingly descend below, without the required visual references).
When you reach your MDA and do not have the visual you IMMEDIATELY initiate the go around procedure. No discussion possible. If I’d suggest that I may ever do otherwise I will be grounded immediately, and rightly so.
There is no indication that there was any problem with the airplane’s altimeters (in case of a non-precision approach the pressure altimeter is the reference for the MDA). Judging by the information given here, these guys violated the rules in a way and to an extent that could land them in prison. They should never have been where they were, regardless of scheduling suggestions, weather reports or inconvenience. They were the last line of defense and failed that task.
I find the fact that the plane was turned into a local museum somehow a good in this bad accident.
Thank goodness no one died at least. When I saw they decided to continue on the approach, I'd assumed things would end really badly.
I was in Kathmandu recently. You can actually see the parked A330 from one of the nearby roads right outside the airport. I was wondering how they managed to get such a huge aircraft out there.
They break the plane into several parts & moved by cranes.
Great video! Although a slight correction, capital of Turkey is Ankara not Istanbul.
Note: The capital of Turkey is of course Ankara, not Istanbul. Sorry for that!
Yikes! Antalya is a resort city on the Mediterranean shore. The capital is Ankara. Istanbul is the former capital of the Ottoman Empire and is, by far, the largest city in Turkey.
ANKARA! Not Antalya!
As much as it would be nice to see the capitol in beautiful Antalya, it is actually in Ankara.
god. sorry 🙈😄
I really should stop writing comments while doing other things. My bad!
I've been editing for a few decades. The intro is perfectly constructed. I know the feeling when something comes together as intended. Excellent work
Thank you! 😁
"from istanbul, turkeys capital" you wanna fact check that again?
Noticed that too
Yeah, Ankara is the capital 😂
I diverted once, when I didn’t see anything at minimums, but THY cowboys landed on a narrow and short runway at night with tailwind in the wet, using the ILS of a removed parallel runway. Handling agent at diversion airport asked me why I had diverted, referring to Turkish Airlines crew had landed. What can I say more about their safety culture?
Could you translate that for us landlubbers?
@@frequentlycynical642 He tried landing at an airport, but when he reached the minimum safe altitude (for that landing method) he couldn't see the runway and diverted to a different airport. A Turkish Airlines crew threw rules out the window and managed to land just after his abort, endangering their passengers and aircraft as well as people on the ground. He then got a grilling from his eventual destination (alternate) for why he didn't land when the Turkish Airlines plane managed to.
Well, they did break the rules in all possible ways. You should hear alarm bells ring and not try to land with all the negative factors like tailwind, wet, dark, narrow runway, short runway, wrong approach type for the runway - pure luck they didn't have an incident or accident. Unfortunately, like in this video, things sum up to disaster. Airmanship is a way of sensing these risks, but we are all human and prone to failure - some more, some less.@@frequentlycynical642
It could have ended much much worse with a CFIT. See Smolensk air disaster for another case of what happens when pilots are under pressure to land (maybe next video idea?).
good.idea!
Maybe the Katmandu Aviation Museum will be fortunate enough, as time (and bad weather) goes on, to get a few more exhibits this way, hopefully a variety of airplanes other than Airbus A-330.
I'm glad everyone got out safely. Turning the wreckage into a museum of flight sounds like an excellent idea. They can try to make a little money with it instead of calling a total write-off is not a bad idea, either.
There's so many great channels like this out there, and yours is one of them. Thanks for providing this content!
love seeing an upload from you, keep them coming!!
I started binging your videos yesterday and really like your presentation. So glad that this didn't become a fatal CFIT accident. Interesting postscript to the airframe becoming a museum! Thank you for posting.
@Al 38 my apologies for not spelling it out.
Thanks for another informative video Airspace !
It is always more inconvenient to be dead than late.
Your content constantly gets better I have subscribed kudos
Great video as always, keep 'em coming!
Another good video. I enjoy watching these. Thank you number one!
Thanks for another great video👍
You're doing great things with your channel, I really enjoy your essays on these accidents and incidents. I'm an A&P, and your insights have tremendously broadened my horizons regarding the importance of proper maintenance in the constant pursuit of safety. Nice work.
thanks!
The ground suddenly appeared at 14 feet 😳😳😳 Those 2 idiotic pilots deserve to be in jail for a very very long time. I would not trust them with a bicycle let alone a plane full of people 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
How about a video on flying into some of the highest airports in the world. I once flew from sea level and an hour later landed at El Alto International in La Paz Bolivia. I felt and saw the affect on some of the passengers and wondered what affect it might have on the flight crew.
Note that the air pressure in the aircraft is normalized to about 8000 feet during flight, so not that big a difference. But, mountain climbers are advised to condition to higher altitudes for one day per 1000 feet, so give that, passengers are going to feel the effects of remaining at the lower pressure after they land.
You're starting to upload more often! I'm excited to see more content coming out, but you don't have to rush yourself. If you started this channel with interest, and not for commercial purposes, you should enjoy it. Quality over quantity for me. But whatever, this is still a great video.
Agree, prefer quality over quantity too ! These videos from day one are pure quality.
Well, maybe not quite from day 1. There's been a steady improvement in the editing though!
Its not fun to suffer from burnout, it's just that you may completely lose interest and never come back to it. Never rush anything
this did not reduce content quality IMHO
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 What you hear is an opinion, not the truth. What you see is a perspective, not the truth
I respect your opinion, but different people are more sensitive to different amounts of changes.
@@DsYkX true... there are many things I would notice and many things I do not... I like how the content is done, but he is kind of the second tier of favorite channels for me, he was there, and he remains there (favorite styles in the genre would be someone like "Mini Air Crash Investigation" "mentour pilot" or Brick-immortar for wider (usually industrial accident) investigations...)
»I’m gonna try some sketchy shit, dooh-dah, dooh-dah
Hope I’ll get away with it, on the dooh-dah-day…«
@@Al-ih1en No, it’s supposed to be the captain humming to himself…
Ok, everyone jumped on Airspace for mistaking Turkey's capital, so I'll jump in here. It's "all the dooh-dah day," not "on the dooh-dah day."
😁😁
@@MrEsMysteriesMagicks »Sadly you’re mistaken. This is my version, changed to better fit the occasion«, the Captain said, while he kept humming and looking for some runway...
Why were there no radar altitude callouts?
You'd think that with those you won't suddenly find yourself 5 meters off the ground unexpectedly
There were...
@WAUZZZ81ZDA
The is one video with all the call outs in this video
ruclips.net/video/2PL7p2rwi-w/видео.html
Some--NonStandart approches in mountain terrai (for example in paro-bhutan) require you to Ignore or turn of the "GPWS" since it will warn you about low altitude but you are flying intentionally low
@@animalm4st3r Turning off GPWS does not disable the radio altimeter. They received the callouts.
@@AirspaceVideos That's not what the video said.
What a great job of almost exactly recreating this incident in MSFS 2020.
The Human Factors that influenced the wrong decision by the Pilots to violate the Minima Rule was covered in a passing manner in the video.
Coupled with the "insinuating" title to the video, it paints a wrong picture about Why Pilots break rules.
Not just Pilots, why does anyone break a cardinal rule and end up sweating in front of an investigating team?
People break rules, mostly not because they are criminally oriented people hell bent on a murder-suicide, but because of complex human factors like fatigue induced get-there-itis, impulsivity, misplaced-motivation etc, coupled with commercial pressures that hang forever over them. We must have a "Root-Cause attitude" when we analyse accidents like these.
Or else, we'll be condemned to a world where there will be no new accidents, only new occupants in the cockpit.
Keep at it Airspace👍. Lets keep the discussion on too..
I always look forward to your new videos
Thanks
@7:02 : So you're in Katmandu having crashed and have ended up on soft ground with broken nose gear and therefore the plane is at a awkward angle. Can mobile stairs cope with all of that? I mean they don't exactly come with tractor wheels do they?
Thank God everyone survived 🙏 despite the human errors.
So they crash landed and took....TEN MINUTES to start the evacuation?? It should've taken 10 SECONDS!
I hope you enjoy making videos on a330 accidents, I definitely don't enjoy watching them any less, now that I know you fly them!
I am sooo glad to have found your channel, green dot aviation and a few other recent youtube channels🙂👍🏼
Chris🤠 your presentations are so crisp yet informative.. without the gaudy/flashy youtubey intro-outros.
Hope for you to get some Audible, CuriosityStream, Brilliant type sponsors.
And obviously direct participation if you devide to launch some merchandise, publish some ebooks or say.. have a Patreon acccount.
Great production this😊👍🏼
Wish you had added more of your critical analysis or thoughts, if any.
BUT (having said that) i appreciate and understand you keeping it objective and a factual representation.
Oh and yes.. as someone from India.. Nepal may not be as 'myaterious' really😄
Thank you so much :) Comes time, come sponsors I'm sure. And I do have a Patreon 😉
Awesome opening 🙏🙌
İstanbul is NOT Turkey's capital. It's Ankara.
ye I was about to comment that
Twas the capitol of the world at one time, RIP Constantinople.
Miraclulously safe landing on a very unsafe approach, but also a terrible decision to continue landing in the first place.
Your presentations are interesting. The incidents chosen provide insight into unique issues.
In your Q&A video you said you are considering to even take courses to improve your speech and pronounciation in english. As you said yourself, you are fluent but definitely have an accent.
Please do not. Your tone of voice and a slight accent are so pleasant to listen to and at least I think an integral part of your channel's (and your own) personality and charm. Don't change it, embrace it. You are literally my bed time storyteller. Also from another non-native, arguably with a slightly less of an accent, i'm repeatedly blown away by your vocabularity and use of words. Especially and once again in this video.
Hands down my favourite aviation channel. Keep it up! 10/10 would subscribe again.
awww thanks!
Your precise pronunciation of the vast majority of English words and measured speaking cadence is far better than in colloquial native English which makes your narrative much easier to understand.
Seconded
I agree! You're voice and accent is wonderful. It gives the channel an extra depth, and I just *love* it.
@@AirspaceVideos
I studied English at university, and could probably help you take the 'worst' edges off - free of charge!
(although not time/effort, obviously)
What's your primary language?
(that'll help me figure out which phonemes you might struggle with)
Pilots who value convenience over safety worry me... so much recklessness.
So glad that everyone made it out alive and that the plane, itself, ended up being put to good use in the end. That's a happy ending if I ever heard one.
Thank you, very interesting :)
Just a small correction. Istanbul is not the capital city of Turkey. Ankara is.
Is it not possible for aircraft to have infra red cameras so that they can see through fog? Whether it would be safe to use it to land is another question but at least it would enable them to see the runway lights or even some special high temperature markers that runways could have besides the lights.
Yes that's possible, but rare. Some business jets have that - airliners do not, for whatever reason!
Even if they did it would still likely be required to go around at the minimum descent altitude so it wouldn’t be worth it anyway
I want to add one more thing that played a huge role in this accident is the fatigue. This flight takes of before midnight, arriving at 6 am, flown by only 2 pilots, without a relief pilot. Imaging holding for that long, then doing a go around and another hold. Since this was a huge burden on the crew, that is why they were just so keen on getting the aircraft on the ground. In addition, if they performed another go-around, and they decided to divert, for another 1.5 flight, this would have been too much for this crew. Which is again why their decision making was skewed.
Another info for you, both of these pilots were fired few months after the accident.
I can’t help wondering if they’d be able to get precision approaches by placing some ils gear on the other side of the mountains as well, and combine the two sets of equipment into a single composite image. Although I guess if that was feasible, it’d already be done. Edit: yeah; I can imagine this being problematic in other ways now that you mention the differences involved.
when aviation rules bend, they break.. part of why im scared of flying..
Not necessarily - there are _many_ redundancies.
But pilot error does seem too common in certain airlines...
Pick a reputable airline with a good safety track record. There is no reason to be scared-but then that's the problem with irrational fears, they just *_are._*
@@MrNicoJac there is no statistics supporting such thing, more the opposite.
Regards from Nepal!
Great video. Yet i need to make a small correction. Ankara is the capital of Turkey not Istanbul
That music sounds a bit like the TK airline music they play onboard!
“I’m going to Katmandu, if I ever get out of here I’m going to Katmandu…”
Now nepal has another international airport which is in the flat land not surrounded by hills and mountains. The pilot can divert plane from kathmandu international airport during the bad weather condition to avoid accident.
I would love to visit Kathmandu, but I think I'll take the pony.
While It is true that aviation has become a lot safer, mistakes continue to be made. This case reminded me of the Malaysia A330 that took off from Brisbane with all the pitot covers...
And it was the BUSS that helped the crew fly without reliable airspeed
Hahaha as a Nepali calling Nepal mysterious was funny af
Kathmandu isn't a good airport to bend the rules.
I'm not sure if anyone else has pointed this out yet, but the capital of Turkey is Ankara, not Istanbul.
So anyone injured or killed? How many?
Isn’t illegal to start the approach if the reported weather is below the minimum ceiling or visibility?
You can fly the approach but you shouldn’t go lower than 1000’ above the airport if the visibility is below minimums
This is a case of the blind leading the deaf.
The only silver line is that no one died during this flight.
I am not gonna subscribe or click like because someone told me to, if people aint subbing you or clicking likes enough, its because they do not like your content enough, its simple as that, shovelling a burger down everyone throat and ask them to leave favourable reviews aint exactly a good business model.
Istanbul is the major city but not the capital anymore 😭😭😭
Can you do Metrojet flight 9268 in next video?
I can put it on the list
Istanbul is not Turkey's capital. Nice video btw
if that plane that returned to the gate had not, it would have been directly in flight 726th path... I hate to think, but things would not have ended so benignly....
Btw, probably not, but in my mind that single "minor injury" was a clipping round the head the Pilot in Command got from the company representative....
why to Delhi, there are plenty of airports closer for a refuel
I wonder what happened to that cabin crew who made the comment
Istanbul is a major city but it is not Turkey's captiable, that is Ankara.
Ankara is turkeys capital not Istanbul. Istanbul is just a major city
Istanbul is not Turkey's capital, that's Ankara.
I’ve always wondered what disciplinary actions are taken against pilots when its found they are at fault of all these crashes/major incidents. That is, if they dont die crashing the plane.
I wonder if they didn't evacuate right away because they were busy coming up with a story.
A go around was the call, human error is the cause.
For me it really calls into question the quality of our navigation aids. On the one hand, we have consumer GPS that can lead someone down a freaking walking path... But... why isn't that same quality given to aircraft? One would think that if a smartphone can know its location, direction, and orientation, that an aircraft could have a much more reliable fix on its location than it seems current systems have. But... if a better system existed, the airline industry + Air safety councils around the world would have vetted them. Should we really trust GPS systems for all of this up-and-coming garbage like "self-driving" cars and trucks and shit? I mean, if we can't trust airline-grade GPS enough to override INS, et cetera... then should GPS-based cars ever be trusted?
My doubt grows daily.
Because your phone doesn’t use GPS only. It also uses Bluetooth, cell tower triangulation and distance from wifi hotspots. Ever wonder why you sometimes get a warning saying location will be more accurate if wifi is turned on?
Also that phone that is guiding you down a walking path using directions is assuming you’re walking down that path even if the data says you’re 2 metres off the path. It just won’t suddenly shift you because it’s programmed that you’ll be on the road or path
Self driving cars won’t use GPS only. They need to know which lane to be in so they will examine the white painted lines. Hence why some Tesla’s have crashed because the paint marking is faded and the camera can’t see it so it just strays off and the driver isn’t paying attention
Time to put cameras in the cockpit putting cameras in cockpit makes sense you don't know what there doing especially are passengers where the one put are life at risk
Turkey 's capital...Istanbul:)))))
Turkish capital is Ankara btw not Istanbul
FYI, Istanbul isn't Turkey's capital. It's Ankara. Istanbul is their largest and most popolous city😉
Istanbul Turkeys capital?????
Istanbul is NOT Turkey’s capital. Ankara IS Turkey’s capital.
They're lucky it wasn't a lot worse!
My like of the video changes it from 665 to 666 >:)
Istanbul is *not* the capital of Turkey. Precision approach, please.
damn
Don't bust the minima kids.
Istambul is not a capital of Turkey. Ancara is…
Airport opened at 6 AM? I usually used to fly out of my local airport about 5 AM. Often landed at 2 AM or 3 AM.
It's Kathmandu. I doubt there's a lot going on there to justify early flights.
@@etherealrose2139 Hi Ethereal. You make a good point. But Katmandu must be an important airport for the region isn't it.. I guess it not an alternate site for many or any flights.
I think, in addition to less demand and being in the city, the hazards at night or morning doesn't permit traffic either...
@@Hartono25277 Hello Hartano. This is true. Some very busy airports are restricted by being near the centre of major cities. E.g. Heathrow London say. I bet that Anchorage, USA goes around the clock.
Aren’t you currently flying the A330, Airspace?
yes!
@@AirspaceVideos How is it?
lovely! Technology isn't the newest, but that doesn't matter. Handle's well, I like the cockpit and the engine sound - nothing that's not to like!
@@AirspaceVideos so not flying the NEO version then
yes exactly. The airline I fly for is maybe gonna get the A350, if rumours are true. That'd be amazing.
Capital of Turkey ist Ankara not Instabul.
Turkey’s capital is Ankara, not İstanbul.
Did the Pilots loose their jobs?
Is Kathmandu the only word Germans pronounce "th" as "the", as opposed to "tea" like "neaderTall" etc?
First time here. Forgive me if you're not German. Just thought it was interesting.
Istanbul is NOT the capital of Turkey, fyi
why would you say istanbul is turkey's capital if you do not know it for sure? just giving that wrong information makes the entire video questionable.
Turkeys capital is not Istanbul
Getthereitis induced accident 😖✈️💸
Playing poker with other people’s lives