How Can We Combat Domestic Violence In Our Communities? | Listen To Black Women

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  • @tm7517
    @tm7517 6 лет назад +19

    In terms of men being abuse victims, it does occur, but my wife and mom volunteer at a safe house for abused women who are on the run from violently abusive men. These women are terrified, left homeless, financially broke, and without family support. These types of safe houses are packed full of women and children fleeing truly life threatening situations.
    That’s not happening on a large scale to abused men. I think we gotta keep the focus on women and children.
    The men get abused too rhetoric is something different than what women abused by men frequently face.

  • @petrina8329
    @petrina8329 6 лет назад +31

    Words hurt and they stick period

  • @theultimatemarriage
    @theultimatemarriage 6 лет назад +30

    Speak up. And please don't shame the victims!! Don't record abuse to gain subscribers, it gives the attention the abusers are seeking.

  • @spacelyman9482
    @spacelyman9482 6 лет назад +44

    OK Madamenoire, this is what I'm talking about. These are topics that actually are important and can change things within our community. Domestic violence happens to both genders and this is something that needs to be addressesd and fixed.

  • @spacelyman9482
    @spacelyman9482 6 лет назад +47

    Another thing that is not talked about is sibling domestic violence between black people. Brothers and sisters sometimes are very violent toward each other and this includes physical abuse and mental abuse. Someone may have to go see a counselor or go to anger management class. Someone may also have to move away just to maintain sanity.

    • @1968dogg
      @1968dogg 4 года назад +1

      Why women worship bad boys???????????????

    • @biancalord488
      @biancalord488 4 года назад

      Lanier H sibling violence

    • @beeaboutabbabusiness8738
      @beeaboutabbabusiness8738 3 года назад +5

      yep my brother is an abuser and controller using psychological abuse and threats to kill . My mother and sister can not see the trees , for the woods the best thing to do was to have no contact with them.NOW i live in a state of clarity and peace.

  • @dkcmusic
    @dkcmusic 6 лет назад +60

    In my experience I have seen so many black women advocate for the abuser rather than an battered black woman. Why do black women( not all) have this deep hate for other black women? Why is it always a competition? With the kelis I saw more black women dragging her than these raggedy Nwords! I just disappointed in us as whole.

    • @bres9977
      @bres9977 6 лет назад +20

      dkcmusic it’s conditioning.

    • @blooeyedtigger3145
      @blooeyedtigger3145 4 года назад +13

      Because of patriarchal conditioning.

    • @foxyboop4164
      @foxyboop4164 2 года назад

      They are male identified

    • @lavetteford9348
      @lavetteford9348 2 года назад

      You are right, they roll their eyes at each other and hate on each. Have the man cause some of us could care less. I stopped dating men....period. Abuse come in many forms. I have been happy since I made the choice to be free.

  • @millicentevans9232
    @millicentevans9232 6 лет назад +14

    Domestic violence is something that needs great help and support and its a horrible thing to happen to black and white people. And other cultures. I want all women to try find some to talk to and try not to hide. That its happening. I lost a lovely friend to domestic violence i was 19 years old when she was telling me and my late mother. What was going on in herrelationship with her childs father regarding other women and when i left for my country of birth she left her childs father moved to a new town. Started to date a new man and this man stabbed her to her death leaving her beautiful daughter behind her mother took her after she lost her beautiful daughter. My late mother came to stay with me and told me the news i was so upset i cried. Because she was a winderful mother and a good friend. I see her face with her lovely smile as i type her story.for god sake stamp out domestic violence it has no place in our society. It leaves behind so much pain rest in peace my dearest friend NORMA ♥️😞😞

  • @mochaCF61
    @mochaCF61 6 лет назад +29

    How to combat this? Outside of carefully observing the men we allow around us, learn self-defense. My mother didn't put up with it off of my fatther; she punched and kicked back before taking the kids and walking out. An ex-boyfriend made the mistake of hitting me once. I cut his face open with a straight right, and then that man was gone, too. Also learn verbal kung-fu to stop the emotional and verbal abuse.

    • @dkcmusic
      @dkcmusic 6 лет назад +3

      This is toxic.

    • @LRamey
      @LRamey 6 лет назад +6

      YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish they had an applause button!!! Split his face right open!! I bet he wont hit anybody else!

    • @bishoujo97
      @bishoujo97 5 лет назад +1

      Camaro Guy what does that have to do with her comment?

  • @SpecialKRNB
    @SpecialKRNB 5 лет назад +9

    Even if it's minor (it always start minor and it only takes one time) be it and/or emotional, verbal, physical, financial, mental, psychological, intellectual, and sexual abuse.... please walk away.. you deserve better and that goes for both men and women.

  • @anonamous6968
    @anonamous6968 6 лет назад +21

    Do your homework. Make sure you choose a good man. Meet his family. Find out about his past relationships. Make sure he is a responsible, mature, loving, supportive person. If he has a child, make sure he's a really good father. Make sure he has good goals, that he is someone who can commit to a long term relationship. He's had some meaningful long term relationships. He's not a player. Make sure they are not controlling or manipulative. They should be someone you would like as a friend even if there was no romance. Someone whose company you really enjoy. You like their personality and just who they are as a person. Then you are in love with your best friend and you've not gone into it blindly. Do your homework.

    • @anonamous6968
      @anonamous6968 6 лет назад +4

      Antoinette, you're 38 and now you know, but some women never learn this lesson. You still have many years ahead of you. You now know better what to look for and what to avoid. Armed with this knowledge you will choose more wisely. I wish you happiness and love.
      I think it's really important to have this talk about how to go about choosing who to be in a relationship with. You say that you never had this talk with either your mother or father. Can you imagine how much better your choices could have been if your mother (and or father) had said choose a good man and then went on to tell you what qualities you need to look for in a man? What qualities you should stay away from and why. If you had this information before going blindly into relationships with the men you call losers, maybe you would have made better choices. I think this is a conversation all parents should have with their children. Parents should tell their children the quality of character you should look for in a partner. What makes a better choice for a meaningful relationship and what makes a bad choice. It's an incredibly important lesson that can have a remarkable impact on relationships and how successful they are. If you really care about your children then you want them to be happy. Part of that happiness can be from having a successful meaningful long term relationship. And you as a parent can help them, guide them in the right direction by giving some insight into what they should be looking for and what they should be avoiding.

    • @spacelyman9482
      @spacelyman9482 6 лет назад

      I agree with you bro.

    • @anonamous6968
      @anonamous6968 6 лет назад +4

      Ricky
      Well both sides need to do their homework really to make sure they're on the same page and have all the qualities needed to support a long term meaningful relationship.
      But as far as violence goes, there are no statistics to support your claim that "the majority of domestic violence incidents are initiated by females."
      Even if this were true , men have the advantage in strength most of the time and can easily inflict severe damage. The man should try his best to walk away rather than retaliate. Once again because of the difference in strength in general. I'm not condoning violence by anyone, male or female. But of the two the man is the one that more often inflicts the most damage.
      Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, and 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005. In 2007, 2,340 deaths were caused by intimate partner violence-making up 14% of all homicides. 70% of these deaths were females and 30% were males.
      Everyone should do their homework in order to avoid violence and also to give themselves the best chance at a lasting and loving relationship. Violence should not be tolerated or used by anyone in a loving relationship. If you are a victim of violence, you need to get out of that relationship immediately for your own safety. People that use violence against their partners are obviously not good people to be in a relationship with. They are not mature emotionally and what you want is to be with someone that is emotionally mature. If they can not express themselves in an intelligent and thoughtful way, you need to get out of this relationship. Again they are not emotionally mature and this is something that you should be looking for in a partner.

    • @etf42
      @etf42 6 лет назад

      Good, responsible, supportive, mature men are boring. Many women are drawn to abusive men. Of course they will not admit it because they don't want to look bad, but its arousing, unpredictable, exciting, and a better alternative to being bored, pampered and being put on a pedestal for just existing.

    • @Kenneth181
      @Kenneth181 5 лет назад +1

      There is no such thing as being in love with your best friend. You either have to be more than a friend or nothing.

  • @Wanjiro81
    @Wanjiro81 3 года назад +8

    I just found this video. I wish my sister, Shanika, and my cousin, Destini, had seen this. Both were murdered by their boyfriends in 2020.

    • @reneedennis2011
      @reneedennis2011 2 года назад

      I am so sorry 😞.

    • @foxyboop4164
      @foxyboop4164 2 года назад +1

      What!!!?!??? Christ, that is incredibly sad 😔 My God! So sorry for your loss. BW aren't supposed to look out for themselves, but we should march, cry, and mule, for BM? Not!!

    • @Sigma_Sage13
      @Sigma_Sage13 2 года назад

      My condolences & I declare the bastards pay beyond a prison sentence.

  • @meadowsol11
    @meadowsol11 6 лет назад +7

    Such an insightful video. Great conversation.

  • @eccentricsoul08
    @eccentricsoul08 4 года назад +5

    Thank you! This was an insightful and much needed conversation.

  • @jacquelineellis7136
    @jacquelineellis7136 2 года назад +3

    Leave the dust and dump the loyalty

  • @reflections4me
    @reflections4me 6 лет назад +6

    They laugh at me... my own black sisters. When I came out to tell people about what is going on they put me aside, threaded me like I have some kind of sickness, they all protect him, I am dying. Sometimes they tell me pray, this man abuses me he isolated me , calls me the most horrible names. They don’t believe me, he is very charming, helpful to everyone, when he comes home he is a completely different person. He does everything that is abusive, everything that you can think of that is abusive he does. I am alone, I am starting to lose hope. Victim shaming from people around us. I most of them they don’t even know me because he isolates me , so because he abuses me so much when he brings me around people I start to trust and I tend to speak up, but they don’t believe me, because he already smear my name to everyone, now I just gave up, kind off because deep inside of me there is still a hope, that someone, somewhere will come help me, rescue me from this bondage. He uses every tactic in the world, every trick in the book I have seen him doing it, still people don’t ask him questions because he is a hero.

    • @soulbakin
      @soulbakin 6 лет назад +3

      honesty why havent u left. God help those who help themselves so if u cant help urself out ur situation....

    • @sergeantwilliams8185
      @sergeantwilliams8185 6 лет назад +5

      Purplekush How is this encouraging to this person? Try having a little compassion.

    • @soulbakin
      @soulbakin 6 лет назад +1

      @@sergeantwilliams8185 all i did was say how God help those who help themselves. ive seen her situation all to many times from first hand experience. if u cant help yourself out your situation dont expect someone to take that first step for u until its years later and u cant get back life u done lost. call it lack of compassion all u want .... its still the truth

    • @bres9977
      @bres9977 6 лет назад +3

      Call 1-800-799-SAFE. It’s the National Domestic Violence Hotline, open 24/7. They offer a lot of resources and will do their best to help you get away from this situation. I’m sorry to hear about what’s happening to you. Know that you are not alone and that there are people out there who truly care.

    • @melodieperkins7080
      @melodieperkins7080 5 лет назад +3

      I understand, batters are very manipulative. One day, you will escape. Make a plan and be prepared to run

  • @anthonymulindwa4353
    @anthonymulindwa4353 4 года назад +5

    This is by now a global problem (certainly a big issue in Africa where I am). A lot has been said and done to enhance rights - especially of women - in a bid to deal with the problem. However, I think that far less attention is being paid to character formation (the lack of which is at the center of the proliferation in violence we see today) at virtually all the critical levels of society : family, school, workplace etc... it seems apparent to me that without a minimum of character (solid virtue), one simply doesn’t have the means to run a truly healthy relationship and will easily slide into violence especially when challenges (which are sure to arise) show up. I recommend a return to basics in this area especially at the family level

  • @tm7517
    @tm7517 6 лет назад +5

    I have not watched the video yet. I will.
    So this post is just based on thoughts that came to me from seeing the title of the video
    The question remains, what does skin color have to do with anything? I don’t know that the causes of domestic violence in black American households are different from other American families.
    I think we ask this question as a way to say what are black Americans collectively going to do to address this issue, but of course black Americans are Americans, and the way human beings have organized to correct or address collective problems that impact millions of individuals spread across large amounts of land is through local, state, and federal governments. Government has the money and the resources and reach to attempt to address these kinds of huge problems.
    We need to not forget this.
    Domestic abuse is a societal wide issue and it’s existence is a public policy failure not a black racial failure.
    What frequently happens in these types of discussions about so called black community problems like domestic violence it that the problem is understood to be an internal black racial failure that every other group addresses much better than black people and they address the problem through their communities(not government) and that we don’t.
    The pretend that private citizens volunteering their personal time and money can correct or even impact a huge problem that touches the lives of 10’s of millions of people spread throughout the US is fiction.
    If we rely on individual programs or individual groups to address societal wide problems we get inadequate resources devoted to that problem.
    Then when the “solution” of the black community policing itself and ending domestic violence inevitably proves inadequate to the task, people throw their hands up and basically call black people degenerates who don’t care about abused women and children because we haven’t or won’t solve this issue.
    This way of thinking further dehumanizes and cuts bw and black children off from government services because everyone believes this is an internal black racial problem that black people must fix and not use our government to address.

  • @trishasmith3286
    @trishasmith3286 6 лет назад +15

    Nagging can be abusive too

  • @Realtalknewyorkwithjanique
    @Realtalknewyorkwithjanique 2 года назад +1

    They beat you to cut you down! They don’t want you to be confident!

  • @amc3964
    @amc3964 2 года назад +1

    Women need to report it!! Boys need strong, healthy men to support them and guide them and LOVE them. We ALL need it. Chinese immigrants are most successful because of the strength of the FAMILy unit; HELP each other!!!!!! All about the family unit!!!!!!! Be good to each other!!!!!!!

  • @jamescox9080
    @jamescox9080 2 года назад +1

    Raise to protect black men really

  • @abir1125
    @abir1125 8 месяцев назад

    Keying a car, murder, picking those men, keeping marriage together, suffering in silence, outside social circles, and violence

  • @marioshort6574
    @marioshort6574 Год назад +1

    I hope your being fair because bw definitely are abusive to bm do it’s not one sided some men snap they only show bm but that’s definitely not the truth in our community

  • @RasOrderCmdrJudah
    @RasOrderCmdrJudah 6 лет назад +1

    Africa Miranda is the only one on this show with any sense, ever.

  • @etf42
    @etf42 6 лет назад +3

    Many women are drawn to abusive men. Of course they will not admit it because they don't want to look bad, but its arousing, unpredictable, exciting, and a better alternative to being bored, pampered and being put on a pedestal for just existing.

  • @siyabongaskhosana7782
    @siyabongaskhosana7782 4 года назад +1

    I'm pretty sure Donald Glover said that joke.

  • @prette222
    @prette222 2 года назад +2

    Black women need to arm up and educate themselves on what their rights are. Save up and move out of predominately black neighborhoods, and divest from any and all toxic friends and family.

    • @prette222
      @prette222 2 года назад

      @Spongebob Squarepants maya huh?

  • @trishasmith3286
    @trishasmith3286 6 лет назад +4

    Why did they not talk Cosby or R. Kelly's wife?

  • @Kim67749
    @Kim67749 6 лет назад +3

    Even your current first lady or previous ones can experience this. Sad

  • @denisestampley116
    @denisestampley116 6 лет назад +11

    This should have included advise from a professional psychologist & professional tips on how to leave a violent situation. Way too much generalization from the women on the panel.

  • @loveishere8434
    @loveishere8434 5 лет назад +1

    3:57 not true martin lawrence did crazy and deranged.....lol

  • @charlesgrissom4065
    @charlesgrissom4065 5 лет назад +2

    Don't put up with it, if take someone putting up with it's your problem. I'm not bashing anyone but no matter what your reason makes you a fool.

  • @melvinhhcp3615
    @melvinhhcp3615 6 лет назад +17

    Choose the right man. End of story... 💯

    • @bres9977
      @bres9977 6 лет назад +26

      Melvin HHCP Abusers don’t “show themselves” at the very beginning of a relationship. It is most often a GRADUAL progression to violence. That is why the Cycle of Violence diagram was created: to help people who don’t understand to understand the steps.

    • @melvinhhcp3615
      @melvinhhcp3615 6 лет назад +3

      @@bres9977 Abusers show themselves. Most of you women don't pay attention because either too infatuated with money, looks, or dick. I've counseled several women before. The situations & end results are all the same. The logical answer is to take your time & choose better BEFORE you get in bed. 💯💯💯

    • @littlewn9280
      @littlewn9280 5 лет назад +4

      @Antoinette Sloan in most cases, we make the mistake of letting ourselves be picked in the first place , instead of going out and doing the picking ourselves,, we wait to be approached only to find out they are psycho in the end.....if we ladies did the approaching first, maybe things would turn out different..😶

    • @nicywailey157
      @nicywailey157 5 лет назад +4

      This is an ignorant comment. For those of you agreeing, please read into Sociopaths & Narcissism. An abuser doesn’t show their true colours until it’s too late. I also think your comments are disrespectful af to the victims of domestic abuse, that type of abuse runs deep.

    • @spacelyman9482
      @spacelyman9482 5 лет назад +1

      @@littlewn9280 Sweetheart, this is exactly how the game should be. A woman should go out and pursue whichever man she want to avoid this problem. Your definently on the money.

  • @Oldpangolin
    @Oldpangolin 6 лет назад +6

    Let's also talk about black women going off and hooking dudes. Ive seen it more than ive seen women getting hit. Why is the topic of domestic violence onesided. Also with the Nas and Kelis thing they both are calling each other our. Do we only believe he hit her?

    • @spacelyman9482
      @spacelyman9482 6 лет назад +1

      I know some girls who be beating the heck out of their brothers. The media doesn't talk about how women abuse the hell out men also.

  • @hezakyacalmwind3297
    @hezakyacalmwind3297 6 лет назад +6

    so what about the "Pimps & the Hoes" ???... if she dont have the money then what???...is the Pimp just suppose to let it go & say its okay??

    • @soulbakin
      @soulbakin 6 лет назад +3

      why are u comparing pimps to regular men with jobs? u lost already...

    • @hezakyacalmwind3297
      @hezakyacalmwind3297 6 лет назад

      Purplekush
      nope you lost..cause this dont have shit to do with men & real jobs...the subject is abuse..

    • @hezakyacalmwind3297
      @hezakyacalmwind3297 6 лет назад

      Tia
      if you assume that's how the real world works

    • @soulbakin
      @soulbakin 6 лет назад +2

      @@hezakyacalmwind3297 lmao ok i see u bout as dumb as a pile of bricks so u keep thinking the way u do sweetheart ✌🏽

    • @hezakyacalmwind3297
      @hezakyacalmwind3297 6 лет назад

      Purplekush
      baby welcome to the real world sweetheart...I'm 38years old..trust me some niggas dont give a fuck about kicking your teeth out your mouth..... So let's talk about it

  • @devincognito8932
    @devincognito8932 6 лет назад +2

    Can someone explain how women sacrifice their livelihood to defend men? I've never heard that one before.

    • @devincognito8932
      @devincognito8932 5 лет назад

      @Raymond Robinson I mean, men go to war to defend women and children.

  • @invisiblerevolution
    @invisiblerevolution 6 лет назад +1

    I ❤Black women!
    *But STOP IT.......*
    Sisters ain't gettin their ass beat, because they have such profound loyalty to;
    COMMUNITY
    CULTURE
    and
    RACE
    *That's a FALSE narrative!*
    Ps. Y'all got to stop quoting Feminista Jones.

    • @invisiblerevolution
      @invisiblerevolution 6 лет назад

      Like ya on an EGO TRIP, it sounds good.....
      "Black Women are supremely loyal; to RACE CULTURE and COMMUNITY."
      *But y'all know that ain't why, sisters stay in abusive relationships.*

  • @DjTIMEJD
    @DjTIMEJD 4 года назад +3

    Domestic violence in the Black community is bi-directional. It's not one-sided.

  • @hypend1205
    @hypend1205 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for trying to bash African men. Unfortunately it did not work.

  • @cerromeceo
    @cerromeceo 6 лет назад

    Where's Jessie Woo at ? Since she love hood niggas and they can be good niggas in her mind

  • @chelseabrooke49
    @chelseabrooke49 6 лет назад +2

    Too many generalized statements and opinions. If you’re going to tell a story about domestic violence to resonate with the audience keep it real, so we can connect to experience. I was in a domestic violence relationship and if I ever speak about my situation to help someone I’m going to be 100% open about my experience. Are y’all friends or do y’all really know each other’s? Y’all seem closed off, and not connected.

  • @sgm4545
    @sgm4545 2 года назад

    Where is the support for man being the victim?

  • @prtckthomas3442
    @prtckthomas3442 2 года назад +2

    no accountability from these women. Like no part of this conversation highlighted how domestic violence affects the men and how many of them are victims. But you claim you want to help the community but not the community as a whole only the part of the community you care about. This channel is shameful

    • @DjTIMEJD
      @DjTIMEJD 2 года назад +1

      I concur, friend. Domestic Violence is bi-directional in the Black community.

  • @respectknuckles428
    @respectknuckles428 6 лет назад +5

    Date white men

    • @newsandpopculture
      @newsandpopculture 6 лет назад +6

      white men do it too

    • @glennsmith6071
      @glennsmith6071 5 лет назад +1

      @*kyla* strawberry yes protect that white man. You still wont get shit from him lmao.

    • @blueraven8738
      @blueraven8738 5 лет назад

      White men are no better.

  • @tenpin2387
    @tenpin2387 3 года назад

    Stop watching black women fighting in series on tv

  • @45nolo
    @45nolo 6 лет назад +3

    You saw how lame the 30 sec they gave to the recognized male victims of dom violence? 🤣 if ever doubted is a "crime" only when women is the victim, heres your proof. 👍🏽

  • @rockfresh5359
    @rockfresh5359 3 года назад +3

    Bw can watch they mouth and stop challenging men

    • @rockfresh5359
      @rockfresh5359 3 года назад

      @Melanin Doll and BW are so perfect lol 👸🏿🤔

  • @kookmodeedeepinto2264
    @kookmodeedeepinto2264 6 лет назад +2

    Women, put this in the right context! All the examples you put up are not women of DV. Your show is not " keeping it 100" Talk about real facts , not some bogus facts that I'm sure you guys didn't cross reference. A lot of women, especially black women- You guys don't know when to shut up and walk away. I don't condone DV but , you have to educate your HEART as well as your Mind!

  • @mikehuly4208
    @mikehuly4208 4 года назад +1

    good, go get you a white zaddy.

  • @DjTIMEJD
    @DjTIMEJD 4 года назад +3

    LMAO at "protecting" our men.

    • @DjTIMEJD
      @DjTIMEJD 3 года назад +1

      @Melanin Doll We been at “WAR” since the first Europeans step on our land.

  • @3rdgenwarvet747
    @3rdgenwarvet747 6 лет назад +6

    Ladies, isn't there assistance for battered women? If so, leaving a bad situation should not be a difficult decision.

    • @dkcmusic
      @dkcmusic 6 лет назад +16

      3rdGenWarVet this is a insensitive and ignorant comment. Please educate yourself on this subject.

    • @sergeantwilliams8185
      @sergeantwilliams8185 6 лет назад +15

      If you think it’s that easy to leave an abusive relationship, think again. People who leave are more than likely to be killed for trying to get out. It’s easier to say leave when you’ve never been through it yourself. Have some empathy and read up on the subject before you say stuff like this.

    • @JOBLESSGENTLEMANSJOURNEY
      @JOBLESSGENTLEMANSJOURNEY 6 лет назад +2

      Karen Williams so I guess your not as strong and independent as you black women say..your more like children that cant make the simplest decisions.

    • @3rdgenwarvet747
      @3rdgenwarvet747 6 лет назад +1

      Didn't want to be insensitive...but, I posed a question first. If a woman has a resource, I feel she should use it for her own safety. I have no idea what an individual woman is going thru, but I feel, if the resources are there for her to escape, use them.

    • @teebaidoo6198
      @teebaidoo6198 6 лет назад +6

      The most dangerous and life threatening action in a abusive relationship is leaving it could end the persons life thats trying leave so please think before you talk about what you dont know🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

  • @kareemb.muhammad1471
    @kareemb.muhammad1471 4 года назад +1

    Are you against women who lie about domestic violence with proof?
    Just curious

  • @1968dogg
    @1968dogg 5 лет назад

    Black females are so strong and independent. Whats the problem?

    • @prette222
      @prette222 2 года назад

      Black males are so effeminate and incompetent so what’s the problem? You snitch on yourselves every time.

    • @jesusmcphuck6510
      @jesusmcphuck6510 Год назад +1

      Them and their bellicose, confrontational attitudes. I know, I know blame the bros. But really, sistas are doing it TO themselves!