Worldwide Tram Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Ever since some geniuses decided to put omnibuses on steel rails in 1807, in the town of Swansea, United Kingdom, we’ve had trams. Although most of us could instantly recognize a tram when we see one, the vehicles themselves, and the systems they run in vary dramatically across the world.
In this video, I'd like to take one tram system from every continent, and rank them in a tier list style fashion.
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Europe
3:33 America
6:18 Asia
8:19 Australia
9:45 Africa
11:17 Antarctica
11:59 Bloopers
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Great job!
Btw the fares in Melbourne aren't per trip, they're for blocks of time with unlimited trips within that time.
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The fares also include concessions for low income groups like pensioners and students. making them more affordable for the people most likely to ride the them.
Same thing for Toronto as well
Cool video. You’re going to confuse Canadians by calling them “American” though.
(North+South) America
Why are cannadians confused with the continent they're in? 😢
@@thorbenbohrer9226Because in English the word American primarily refers to the US. We divide the landmass (the Americas) into two continents. English isn’t Spanish where América is a single continent. In fact, most people in the world divide the landmass into two.
@@Jule_bulePan-American is the term you’re looking for. American by itself is 99.9% of the time referencing the US.
For me, the people in the USA are US-Americans.
Those are confusing the whole world by suggesting that they are the only Americans and the other people living in the continent of America are not.
For me, 'Americans' are the same category as Europeans, Asians and Africans.
Europeans divide into Italians, Romanians, Austrians...
Asians divide into Pakistani, Vietnamese, Japanese,...
Americans divide into Brazilians, Jamaicans, US-Americans,...
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At 10:21, you can see that Addis Ababa has a station named "Coca cola" - was not expecting that.
One of the main issues with Melbourne's network (my hometown) is just how many stops there are. Sometimes stops will be within 100 metres of each other. Work is being done to remove unnecessary stops, but the system is so big that it will take a long time.
didn't even notice that💀
Guess they took that juicy sponsorship money
and about Melbourne, that could help, but in my opinion the biggest help would be grade-separation, or at least trying to limit the amount of times the trams get stuck in traffic
@@TheTramly Melbourne actually did grade-separate an intersection in the city centre in the early 60s with an overpass, but it turned out to be so detrimental to the area that it was demolished in 2005 and replaced with surface-level segregated track. Melbourne's network is a legacy tram system, not a light metro; we have suburban trains around the city for that. The problem with Melbourne isn't the lack of grade separation, it's the lack of priority over other road users. Most traffic light sequences around the city favour cars over trams, and trams often spend a significant amount of time stuck at traffic lights. However, in recent years there have been many examples of tram priority being built, most notably on the 96 on Nicholson Street where virtually the entire road was rebuilt to have dedicated tracks in the middle with platform stops, and at most intersections proper tram priority was implemented, speeding journeys up significantly for a significantly cheaper cost than building tunnels and bridges everywhere.
Few notes for Melbourne: the $5.30 is per 2 hour block, in which you can travel as much as you want anywhere across the network (bus, train, tram). Also within the CBD (where most of the tram traffic occurs) tram travel is entirely free all day every day, due to a free tram zone. Additionally, whilst there is no grade-separation trams almost always have right of way, which is usually indicated on roads by a solid white/yellow line or dashed white/yellow line. Alas they still get stuck in traffic as cars back up and clog the tracks, and some routes are not separated by these road line markings.
Oh, that's cool! I've never heard of such a scheme anywhere else..
it's still a shame that there's no grade-separation in Melbourne, if that was there, I would've put it in S tier
some sections of the 109 and 96 routes run on former heavy rail lines, although there are still level crossings so I don't think that counts as fully grade-separated. part of route 58 also runs on dedicated track through Royal Park, but there are a couple of road intersections where the trams sadly don't get priority and have to stop
Great video! Have you considered starting a second channel in Czech for the Czech audience? Quite a few of your videos are Prague or Czechia-centric and I think Czech folk would definitely find them interesting. For example ur recent video about Prague’s unfinished ring roads or prague’s messed up housing market just to name a few of ur recent great vids as an example.
You might experience a similar effect to what happened with Janek Rubeš’ channels when their later started Kluci z prahy channel really blew up here and is performing much better in viewership than his older original Honest guide channel. You already have ur very well written and researched scripts in english and you’d only have to do the Czech voice over on top, which doesn’t seem like that much extra effort for ur short form video content compared to the potential viewership it could bring you.
I have considered it, however, I don't think I have enough time to make both English and Czech language content at the same time, I sometimes have trouble with releasing these videos on time💀💀💀
I think even just making one really good one in Czech could be great value. Views to be made!
A really interesting video, thank you. I grew up in Melbourne and it was a great tram system to ride as a teenaged tram fan in the 1980s. As much as I love the Melbourne tram system, my two weeks in Budapest in 2018 showed me a tram network done right!
I'm glad you liked the video!
Great video! I think the Prague Tram system is really amazing and the wheelchair issue isn't that bad. On most lines (for example 9 or 22), every second tram is operated by a low floor one. One T3, 5 mins later a 15t, another 5 mins later a T3 again etc... I think that's a perfect concept, saves money so the city doesn't have to buy hundreds of new trams and also keeps some nostalgicness to the tram system. Thanks to the high frequency wheelchair users might have to wait only an additional 5 mins for a low floor one which isn't that bad and in the app it shows which trams are wheelchair accessible and which not.
if you are on wheelchair, than go on wheelchair, you don't need tram 😀
Thankfully, the new trams coming next year are all gonna be 100% low floor, so there are gonna be less and less high floor trams
@@TheTramly I will really miss the Tatras tho. Such an iconic thing about Pragues tram system. Hopefully line 23 will still be operated by the historic vehicles
@@TheTramly but that's bad for people who are not disabled, because low floor trams and buses are terrible boneshakers, I don't uses buses because of that, only when I really have to, it's really uncomfortable in new buses because of low floor construction
@@Pidalin Which low-floor trams do you have experience with? In my experience, 15Ts are a little more prone to vibration, but T3s are more bouncy. Neither is really uncomfortable unless the wheels have severe flat spots.
Melbourne’s major shortcoming is the total lack of traffic light priority. This is a bit surprising as the new tramways in Gold Coast, Sydney and Canberra have good priority. Also not mentioned is that there is a maximum daily fare of around $10.00, no matter how many rides are taken. For retired people and children, about $5.
Definitely, transit should have priority over personal cars, just based on the fact that an individual tram or even bus moves WAY more people than cars
@@TheTramly That is exactly right. However in my mind the traffic light programmers in Melbourne have spent over 80 years perfecting the art of delaying trams almost as much as they can, and I can’t see that changing any time soon. In their eyes, the car is king.
I lived in swansea for a while and never knew it had the first tram. Too bad it doesn't exist anymore it would probably get a lot of ridership! Especially for the university. Most cities in the UK decided to remove their trams unfortunately
Yeah.. they tore them out after world War 2
I have to inform that Kolkata in India has a much larger system than Hiroshima, but then it would've been highly likely that you would just put it somewhere between the C, C-, and D tiers as a result of the Kolkata tram network experiencing severe mismanagement from the city's local government. Deferred maintenance has led to much of the system's lines being shut down for an indefinite period.
Oh..
That's unfortunate.. Deferred maintenance is a scourge on transit.. (NYC in like the 80s-90s could relate)
Toronto as of the first of April has gone to a single fare system for all of the greater Toronto area. You didn’t mention that Toronto has a full subway, and that by the end of this year. As I often see the map for the streetcars ends at the Humber loop, but that streetcar goes to the Long branch loop. Toronto has local buses, bus rapid transit, a S barn, U barn, and numerous suburban transit systems feeding into the city. And now all for single fare.
It would be interesting to do several of these for different types of trams.
As this video did not include any of what's called the "modern French tram" type (street running, yet mostly separated with green tracks, low floor trams, and full stoplight priority).
There are many networks of this type to choose from in various countries.
Right now, the busiest is the one in Paris, which has over 400 million rides annually on 14 lines.
Some lines like T3a & T3b have very high ridership similar to a busy metro, with well over 600k daily rides. They are circular lines, so that's expected.
I could cover those in a future video
For Hiroshima, there are no yearly passes, but there are six month passes that cost 44930 yen (about €261.00), so you can double that for a yearly price. There's also a month pass for 8320 yen (€48.33) and a three month pass for 23720 yen (€137.80). These are all prices for adult workers.
Great video, as always.
Every time I see trams with the open sidings in old pictures and videos I always wonder which were the fare evasion rates at the time.
Sometimes I wonder how really developed the fare ticket costs of trams and railways over time with respect to the average salary.
A curious aspect would be also which ticket to pick for the comparison as cities tend to grow and the working class gets progressively pushed out in the suburbs.
I’m not sure also the logical calculation would be on the ticket that crosses more fare areas as politicians tend blatantly to ignore entire neighborhoods until someone else later tackles the transportation gap issue.
Glad that you liked the video!
I don't think many people fare evaded during old times, because trams had their own conductors who checked tickets
maybe someone would catch a ride for a station and hop off before the conductor got to them? I don't know
I only know the swiss tramsystems, and rode in Zurich, Basel, Geneva and Bern, which I ride almost every weekday.
For the pricing: Bern has a Zone based system. If you pay for the Zone 100 + 101 you can basically ride through the entire city. This would cost 5.20 CHF = 5.38€ and is one hour valid and a day pass for 10.40 CHF = 10.76 € There is also a short distance card for a few stops at 3.00 CHF = 3.10 € . Also to mention is the "Halbtax" where for like 300 CHF a year you can travel every where in Switzerland at a reduced fare. Libero has also a monthly and yearly card which cost 82.00 CHF/mt.= 84.82 € or 738.00 CHF/year = 763.43 €
Cool, I expected Swiss transit to be much more expensive..
As for the Halbtax, we have this, but only for the railways
you can buy something called the IN card, which either gives you a 25%, 50% or 100% discount on train travel, depending on the type you get
I liked your in-depth review and analysis of the Prague tram system, plus your ratings metric. Have subscribes to your channel.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video
You can get an annual pass in Hiroshima for 168,000 yen, although it also covers buses so it's not as fair of a comparison
Hmm.. quite expensive compared to other systems
Great video! Note that Melbourne trams have lower ridership than Hiroshima's measured in millions/kilometer. Also, the Melbourne network does not cover the whole city, which is huge, but mostly the central business district and the inner suburbs.
This video is very good! Just a few small things for Toronto though: we are getting 2 new light rail (basically streetcar) lines, which are both in the suburbs. These are both separated from traffic and could have been a thing to mention with Toronto. Toronto is also trying to separate the trams slowly, such as on King street, where they recently got rid of most car traffic for streetcar right of way.
It's good that Toronto is trying to move into the right direction
@@TheTramly I agree!
2:00 that's a funny comparison because in helsinki a yearly pass is 666€ (not kidding😈) and the average citizen definitely spends more money on alcohol
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wait, what about South America?
i dont’ remember south america really having any big system, I know Medellin has a pretty good one but it is kinda small. Mendoza also has one but its way too small and Brazil has similar systems in northern cities. Cuenca in Ecuador has a nice system but again its a smaller city. I think the most comprehensive one as of now is in Rio de Janeiro
He grouped North and South America as one in this video. But yeah, I would say the cities with the most comprehensive tram systems in South America are: Rio and Santos (a mid sized coastal city in São Paulo State, Brazil)
I combined America into one continent
@@TheTramly Oof. That's going to upset some people.
@@vanaox3690 Buenos Aires had nearly 800km worth of tram lines at one point, and still has the premetro
Why didn't you put Antarctica in the S tier?
Would love to ride the Penguin trams.
Should've put it in S+ tier
where is south american tram?
I combined America into one continent
@@TheTramly Funny thing considering by this logic it would means Europe and Asia system should've be combined into Eurasian tram system. That aside when i think about tram system in South America i got Rio De Janeiro system (with heritage system and light rail one) and Buenos Aires light rail system.
There is not annual pass for Hiroshima or other cities in Japan. There are 1-, 3- and 6-month passes.
Weird.. I would've thought that they'd make such a thing
It would be cool if you made a tier list of vehicles too
I could definitely do that in a future video!
Technically Philippines has trams, albeit Light Rail Vehicles for a metro service. 1st Gen LRT vehicles are a variant of those used on the Charleroi Metro (Pre-Metro) and 1st Gen MRT vehicles are based on the Tatra KT8D5 Tram.
Also, idk if helps in affordability with Toronto Streetcar transfers can be used for 90 mins on buses and on the subway in Toronto, other transit agencies outside toronto, and a discounted fare onto the GO Commuter train network due to recent One Fare Policy of fare integration in the region
The Toronto fare integration is definitely nice, although the affordability still isn't as good as some of the other ones
I am surprised that none of the German Stadtbahn systems are included here. Are they not trams though?
Stadtbahns are more commuter rail/subway in my opinion
I'd say that Straßenbahns are more like actual trams
@@TheTramly I'd like to disagree, because if I recalled correctly, both are Tram, just with differing characteristics. And technically, Stadtbahn is just Rapid tram, yes some of them reach the municipalities surrounding the cities, but they are not commuter rail. Commuter Rail is the S-Bahn and mostly operated by DB (Similar to Commuter Rails operated by CD, I guess). Stadtbahn is more of Tram with dedicated On-Street Right of Way with some sections underground. I'd argue that Straßenbahns are more of similar to the American Streetcar with Mixed Traffic with little to no right of way. Either way, you should probably start exploring Stadtbahn too, as they are still Trams. RUclipsr Reccee Martin (I hope I write his name properly) has explained a bit about Stadtbahn
@@hokanh579 i always thought that S-Bahn is short for Stadtbahn (wikipedia seems to agree). Tram in German is Strassenbahn.
@@DominiqueVocat You are quoting wikipedia partially. The article states "The name S-Bahn derives from Schnellbahn (lit. rapid train), Stadtbahn (lit. city train) or Stadtschnellbahn (lit. rapid city train)." However, as far as I am aware, the term S-Bahn in Germany didn't get very far from Commuter Trains which are operated by Deutsche Bahn (the national operator). This is even evident when you read the whole article on Wikipedia where the article gives example in the form of DB-operated S-Bahn networks. S-Bahn works more like your average Commuter train, while Stadtbahn is an evolution of trams meeting the need for segregation from road traffic to maintain timeliness. There is a reason why I wrote it as Stadtbahn to differentiate from DB's S-Bahn which share rail with Intercity Trains. In terms of regulation, S-Bahn is governed by German intercity rail regulation, while Stadtbahn is governed by BOStrab.
Not a bad list. Some interesting facts I didn't know, such as Swansea having the first tram and Hiroshima trams running 3 days after the bomb and some of the units still going. I mean....wow! My only comment about Toronto's trams are they're nice, but SO slow. As for Europe, you mentioned St. Petersburg and Budapest, but I'm not sure why you picked Prague as the "best"? You didn't explain your choice other than revealing your personal bias, in that you live there. lol. Were you using any objective measures to create this list? The accessibility issues seem quite large compared to other systems. What about Paris for example? That often gets cited as one of the best systems in Europe these days (even if it's not the biggest). Then there's Amsterdam, which I personally rate quite highly.
Yes, there's the matter of personal bias, since I live here and can actually record them in real life, however, I'd still rate them as one of the best tram systems in Europe
I think you forgot the light rail in Mauritius on the africa section
Even before starting the main video you made a sequel hook
im sorry but your film isn't as good as it could be. Europe-i think Prague but you must have some choice system like passenger per year , longest system or somthing because you have a lot interesting system in Europe, your Prague yes, bruxels , ile de france system , katowice conurbation , berlin or many other city for example in German . America- why you wasn't remember that,america is a two conitents . Africa-adis Ababa it was not bad but you have biggest system for example in Aleksandra or Casablanca .
This comment is not witch bad intentions just to improve your content . This is just my opinion.I will support you in your development.
Thank you for your feedback!
If I ever make a sequel to this video, I'll keep it in mind
Nice
nice!
Hey, you missed South America
how can u not include vienna…
Praha je hezké mesto
Souhlasím!
Hope Prag gets rid of that shitty old trams as soon as possible
They're charming, in a way, but I agree, we should probably move towards newer, more modern models
I can hear a czech accent this is biased
Is the video biased, in a way?
Yes, I'd say so
However, even with the bias, I still think Prague's tram system is world-class
@@TheTramly naah man* just jokin
cmon pragues rolling stock is pure shit. few trams with ac, no will to upgrade non-ac 15t. t3, 14t cant possibly be S tier lol. compared to skoda trams in bratislava vehicles here are really bad
It is definitely S-tier. The AC doesn't matter all that much, there's only like 2.5months per year that AC is needed. T3's that are getting refurbished are getting AC, and the new trams coming will replace a lot of T3's I'd imagine. The S-tier comes mainly from the extensive network that is reliable, has very few delays and trams coming every few minutes. Bratislava might have newer vehicles, but the network isn't nearly as extensive (the trams STILL don't connect Petržalka to the city), the trams don't run as frequently and Bratislava can be more expensive, especially because there's no yearly ticket - each ride has to be paid.
Can't believe melbourne is lower than Prague
@@max2themax yeah there is only 2.5 months of hot weather, but the amazing 14t and 15t trams are getting unbearably hot even in milder temperatures, thanks to their amazingly stupid design. Refurbished T3s are NOT getting AC. they are getting AC for the driver. only 16% of pragues tram rolling stock has AC lol
yeah the network is extensive (even though i could argue its too extensive, you really dont need trains in every street), but the rolling stock is bad, so it should make sense, that S tier should be reserved for some city that has both perfect, right?
trams ofc do connect petrzalka - the top part - to the city :), frequency is actually getting better, and of course there is a yearly ticket, what are you talking about? im not saying prague system is bad, or talking about the system at all. my main concern is the rolling stock. in Ba its something like 80% AC and i actually enjoy paying for it since i know i will travel in great trams. im sure there are other cities with AC in trams, BA is just an example of city having much more rolling stock with AC compared to "Stier" prague. Prague is not S tier, there is a lot of room for improvement, and im tired about everyone ignoring the reality.
@@andrew7955The guy is Czech. Bias is bias.
I mean, yes, there is bias, however, I think the trams getting stuck in traffic in Melbourne, which happens only very rarely in Prague, is a huge downside for Melbourne
no way i'm early
První teda i mean first
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