He just needed the right reason. The “king” that Asuma would teach Shikamaru about is happening in full swing. Shikamaru is the ONLY hokage that suits this task
I like how this highlights that, since Naruto is out of the picture, the Shinobi have gone back to their old ways, Naruto was the shinning light of the Shinobi world, he made the other Shinobi and nations to try to be better without going against their morals. Now that he's gone they've lost they light and have gone back to the dark past, of konoha exploiting people which lead to dire consequences which lead , the Uchiha genocide, turning rin into the three tails and which lead to the Shinobi world wars. Just to say all these "Shinobi actions" came with a massive repercussions
Arguably this IS Shikamaru not compromising his morals. His mentor was murdered by the physical personification of evil, a man who had killed probably _thousands_ of non-combatants for money. The Shinju aren't nearly as malicious as Hidan but they're significantly more dangerous because they're operating on pure impulse and instinct and you can't really trust that not to suddenly hurt a loved one. A domesticated tiger is still a wild animal.
@kleatise52 Having that level of power and no impulse control and a predator drive makes them more dangerous in my opinion, it's akin to having multiple Buu's roaming around. Ryu even states before team 7+ showed up he was gonna just wander around murdering any Shinobi he saw, just because he could, and Ryu is the weaker of the pair. Hidan is certainly extremely threatening but he's in essence a serial killer and serial killers are predictable.
If anything, this showcases the paper-thin morals of everyone else. The difference between a regular Ten-tails and a Shinju is that the latter is anthropomorphic, that's it. Where it a beast-shaped beast, this would be NO moral quandary. Can you convince them to NOT kill anyone else? Probably. Does that mean giving up on the comrades whose bodies they used to attain that anthropomorphosis? Absolutely. Even if we weren't talking about getting Sasuke back, a major help in the whole world's defenses, it would still be right to take down the Shinju with the least possible casualties.
@@biohazard724 what’s worse, someone that kills everyone they see for religion unless they are an ally or someone that might kill you but might be convinced not to. Lol I mean cmon these characters could never walk up to hidan and try to be friendly.
It may not be "morally" the right decision.......... HOWEVER, "situationally" it's the BEST course of action Shikamaru has taken with the current situation. In my opinion!!
On the surface, yes. But in real time, It’s not. Betrayal has never gotten good results. Especially with enemies as strong as the Shinju and Jura in particular. This plan relies too heavily on mind games. I think Shikamaru knows this plan will fail at some point, but it’s just enough to buy him enough time to think of a counterplan
if sending team 7 would have such a big repurcussion then kashin koji would have warned shikamaru about it beforehand, the fact that he didn't means the chance of it happening is very less
Realistically, in both chess and shogi, you have to make risky moves that appear to jeopardize the game plan. I really hope Kohohamaru finds a better way though
Based on this video, I’d assume the Naruto like character in Konohamaru won’t be able to kill Matsuri while the New Age Sand siblings will kill Ryu + take Thorn Bulb, all with some other troubles that pop up
UNLESS...Shikamru is intentionally playing on Konohomarus feelings by using his genuis intellect to know this is the only way to achieve the desired outcome. I'm just throwing darts at the board, but everytime Shikamaru makes a play, we as the viewer often are mislead by his initial actions only to see the real plan unfold.
I had perceived this move as something even Shikamaru was disgusted with but was goaded into it by Kashin Koji since we see the toad on Shikamaru's shoulder when Konohamaru asked who his source was
you have made my boyfriends christmas eve because i recently made him watch all of naruto and shippuden and he has the most unnecessary beef with Shikamaru 😂 i just sent him a screenshot of this video and his response is literally, “more like shitamaru amirite” and im CACKLING
@@My_Rythm i’ll ask him! 😂 he makes fun of me because i will SCREAM any time someone mentions that FUCKING KABUTO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE I MEAN COME ONNNNN
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Rule number 1 of being a shinobi. LEARN TO SEE THROUGH DECEPTION! JURA has read books about shinobi. He told Ryu things about the Konoha Shinobi. Ryu didn’t say everything Jura told them. Ryu is also playing mind games. That’s why he says “FOR REALS” Shinki as a character has always been on guard and when you think you’ve fooled him. He’s fooled you. Watch his fight with Mitsuki again…
I don't think this would have a negative affect on Jura in the way you think. I think the way this will backfire is that it will work- and Jura will learn more about humanity. We know that he loves to learn about humanity but most of that has been in theory, from books. That's why he was so invested in the interactions of team 10 because he encountered something he couldn't conceive of. And then he learned something. That's exactly what will happen, only this time he'll learn the art of deception and emotional manipulation. Instead of turning him off to humanity it'll make him even more curious. Naruto's way would've been to turn him into a friend and he does that by showing people who he is. Shikamaru is showing Jura a villain, and that's exactly what he's going to end up shaping Jura into. In that way Jura, once he becomes an actual villain, will be the creation of Konoha- ironically like so many other villains that came after Konoha. It falls in line more with the Shinju and Jura being like wild beasts, like children, learning everything for the first time. Children learn infinitely more from watching adults interact, and the things they learn the fastest are the bad things. Once they've done enough learning they begin testing these things out, and eventually it shapes them into the person they become. Guess that means Shikamaru is also being a bad dad lol
13:39 and why does it matter how they get the job done ?? When the big bad of the Story is the entire planet being consumed ???? What are we talking about
Because that's not how Naruto, the show, was written. Like Nick said, this isn't usual for the protagonists, which is why we're made to think if this is the correct way even though the plan is logical on paper.
Let’s be real, Konohamaru will not betray Moegi. He’s Narutos student and he’s not heartless. Especially if his enemy isn’t either. I believe he’s gonna pull a talk no jutsu, bc he’s gonna be empathetic towards Matsuri, and convince her to merge back with Moegi bc that’s her true form, and that way, they can always be together (Konohamaru and Matsui) Similar to Roxas and Nomine in KH2
I think in someway Shikamaru’s plans won’t go as stated. But I would rather love it if shikamaru’s does a big brain huge plot twist on everyone. I would like “the plan” to actually fail but shikamaru is like, “I actually planned it to not follow through so I can actually go fwd with the real plan”. I just don’t want him to go out like that and I think it’d be a huge redemption for shikamaru
Also I like Naruto but I do hate that we kinda accepted his bad, illogical characteristics and started to believe his way is the right way. For example, he was willing to bring sasuke back and keep him as a friend, no matter what bad thing sasuke did. Like if sasuke killed so many people, did so much wrong and even at some point wanted to destroy the whole hidden leaf village at some point. I would believe if sasuke was to kill an important character like kakashi Naruto would be high mad/upset but he would still forgive him. If we’re being honest, he kinda technically deserved to died in the story but I get it, kishimoto wanted to leave a message that had a happy ending for the main character. So now when it comes to the shinju’s how else will we get the other characters back? So either they kill the shinjus or they actually befriend the shinjus and they actually don’t get their friends back(which I doubt).
@ sorry let me correct myself. I don’t remember any active kills but based on working for orochimaru (doing what he requests) for those years, cause we know many people died for orochimaru to advance. My main reasons for saying that is cause he had no problem saying he was going to destroy the village, he was willing to kill kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and more. So yeah I don’t remember him actively killing anyone, he’s actually not really good at that task lol (example: orochimaru, itachi, danzo and the previous I mentioned)
Shikamaru is already a better hokage than Naruto. Her recruited Eida, Daemon, and Amado back to the leaf after Code kidnapped Amado. He kept Kawaki in check for the past 3 years, and now a double agent working with Boruto/koji to take down the shinju.
Couldn't orochimaru clone either Sasuke's or sarada's eyes so that she could take them and get EMS using similar principles as what we have for organ cloning
@kleatise52 it would be a very unsatisfying twist but at the same time it's the smartest move to do to give a character EMS and to be fair orochimaru kind of already has been doing that that's kind of the entire point of shin Uchiha
It makes sense to do and they could write around it by making it like you can only clone from a living sample so he couldn't clone like madera's eyes and she has to get EMS at some point or just have her mangekyou not lose their light which could work because they were awoken out of love not hatred or pain meaning her eyes aren't going further and further into the darkness so she wouldn't lose light which would be cool but at the same time kind of lame especially since EMS is a power up. And they are trying to go more sci-fi with it so having the characters make this kind of logical decision would be interesting. Because a lot of them haven't made the most logical choices like Sasuke and Naruto should have done a simple blood transfusion or something so they could awaken rinnegan because why wouldn't they
@@benogle4951 this is just my opinion, I think we should move farther away from cloning or anything like it. Keep it minimal and do it tastefully the hashirama cell was bad enough but now there’s shibai cells and if we literally give sarada an artificial Ems, we’re moving away from a good, grounded story.
@kleatise52 perhaps, but they are trying to go more sci-fi with it, and honestly it's not so much that I want to see it happen but more that it would make a good video
I think the war on Shinju is unavoidable because it's either this cold tactic or finding out that Shikamaru has been working with Boruto behind Jura's back. Also for Boruto to act, Jura needs to be eliminated. I don't agree with this tactic, but Shikamaru is up against the wall for helping Boruto escape the Leaf Village. His title as Hokage is at stake. Also, his decision holds the lives of Konoha in his hands. I know Naruto wouldn't allow this decision, but his gullible attitude led him to be trapped in another dimension with his wife by the person he wanted to save, which was Kawakii. I'm actually excited about the twists and turns for this manga. I can't wait to read it for the new year. I wish for anybody reading this happy holidays and an even better new year. I hope your dreams and wishes come true.
Its easy to see why Naruto and Sasuke couldn't be around. Naruto would have simply talked to the shinju and the arc woiuld be over in one page lmao. Sasuke probably would have also either talked to them, or figured out how to get Naruto back and then talked to them, and the entire arc would be over in a couple chapters.
the moment u had me convinced was when u said, if naruto met a someone who has childlike innocence but was just ridiculously powerful his first instinct would be to a. befriend them and cut them down, or b genuinely befriend them and bring them to their side, Shikamaru messed up! i was thinking he was standin on all ten but i think hes about to have konoha hung up by all ten
The question is, do you just leave Sasuke, Moegi, etc. trapped in trees fr the rest of eternity? The only way to get them out is the shinjus thorn soul bulbs. You have to kill them as far as we know. Just befriending them means those who they replaced Stay in limbo forever. That's the issue.
Something i really like about the shinjus is that they started by killing people and made us believe they were evil and were just monsters, and then we got hit with they are just beast cubs Which asks the question, If you were in a room with a lion cub with limited food"Would you kill a lion cub because it might be a threat when it's grown or take the risk and raise to be your companion which does not guarantee your safety
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I have a question: Do you think the Boruto series would be better if it took place in another universe, where it have elements of the Naruto series, but also a disconnect from the main series? A good example of this is JoJo Steel Ball Run.
IMO, no. A lot of Borutos traction came from the fact that it WAS a continuation of the series. If it was disconnected, it wouldn’t have gotten of the ground until much, much later Edit: I think it would become like a Jax and Daxter type of feel. Like it’s tryna do too many things at once but doesn’t have its own identity to call its own
Nah it wouldn't have done as well, as it wouldn't be a part of the naruto universe. That's like having DBS separate from the original series, if it takes place in another universe then it isn't a part of that previous series.
Bro has thrown so many theories on how Konoha gets destroyed that by the time it happens he will always be right lol, even a broken clock says the time right twice a day
And another thing , is no one else slightly curious about the other planets that got consumed ? I’d like to imagine that they were more advanced and stronger than the the current planet
yo he was spitting facts about the geniuses in Naruto. I immediately thought about Neji who was another self proclaimed genius and he: 1)was big depressed and jealous because of his clans class system 2) tried the bad guy bit, got folded 3) Kinda ambiguous with his intentions behind what he truly wanted from being a ninja. Did he wanna be better and change his clan? did he just abuse crush hinata for her being a part of the main branch or want to prove he was always better than his clan? did he ever love ten ten? Was his byakugan not activated when he got packed up by a tree? so many questions…😂
I can't believe I JUST NOW realized this... The Shinju are just like Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. The way they are created and share the same likeness and abilities of their Somebodies is incredibly obvious. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional...wow. You think Kishimoto likes KH? 🤣 Now that I realize this...how would Konoha deal with the shinju? Would they truly go the route of "death" like in KH? Or will they actually talk no jutsu them into giving up their cores so that their "somebodies" can return? NOW I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES!
Why would the story only function off good natured decisions? Shikamaru is not doing something underhanded against any ninja, he’s doing it against an alien species that may or may not consume them all eventually. Why are we acting like this is just an evil plan when this is just a plan out of desperation and logic? Nah I really don’t see him being the reason Konoha is destroyed. TBV is just a different story than Naruto was.
the divine trees are literally the 9 tailed beasts. jura loves and respects konoha because naruto befriended the 9 tailed beasts and let them live happy and free
Also each shinju's death/ending will be with them becoming full filled. Masturi will want to return the soul bulb after feeling her love for konohomaru, jura will join with himawari and himiwari will be the 10 tail jinchuriki making her the incarnation of the sage of six paths.
@@NegaHumanX I really want to see Jura develops the love for Konoha and its people and vice versa. Then he took Naruto’s word, “I’m gonna be Hokage.” lol that would be hilarious.😂
Hey Nick and everyone, I was thinking in part one Naruto, Naruto said to Konohamaru there are no shortcuts to becoming the Hokage, and that is what Shikamaru in Two Blue Vortex is doing. 🤯
But isn’t he just doing Kashin Koji’s plan from what he saw in the future? The backfire can’t be on Shikamaru it would have to come from the side from somebody like Kawaki
Merry Christmas to you Nick-don't know if you're gonna read this but still wanted to say thanks and as always love the theories and facts that come up in this channel of yours :)
13:58 To be fair, him giving in to the 9tails is literally what saved him. He just did it to the degree that he almost lost himself. But the actual act? Confirmed got the chakra rods out of him.
The point people are missing is how dumb this plan is. It’s not even a “risky” plan, it’s a death assured plan that’s gonna go completely wrong when it comes to the betrayal part of the plan. Except none of them are likely to die 🤣
Jura could sense the chakra of kurama in himawari from countries away and he doesn't think he'll be able to sense his friends getting killed. Honestly it is a completely stupid plan by a supposed genius. Like surface level it sounds fine but a better plan would be befriend the rest of them and have them help fight against jura then try that underhanded tactic when they r all weak. I'm definitely not a genius and that's 10 times better of a plan 😅
Shikamaru's strategy is based on Kashin Koji's 10 directions. God knows how many times Koji saw multiple different scenarios that ended up horribly. There is a reason why Koji agreed to Shikamaru's strategy. Whether it works or not is another story entirely. But I believe that this route is their best chance in defeating Ryu and Matsuri.
Tbh From an in universe POV, shikamaru's technique is the smartest thing to do at this point, to achieve the specific goals he has and concidering the informations he has. Goal : Eliminate potential threat to the village and retrieve lost Konoha ( and Suna ) shinobis Information : Shinju are naive but too powerfull to be faced straight up, if you destroy them you might be able to save the people in trees Bonus context point : No one around him is powerfull enough to brute force through it ( aka Naruto is "dead", Sasuke is "missing", Kowaki, Daemon and Delta probably wouldn't follow his orders and Boruto is a wanted criminal ) Yeah, using underhanded tactics is more or less the only viable option he still has ( well arguably you could clearly make a point that he could befriend them, and then try to send them to be studied by a great scientific mind ( i.e. Oroshimaru, Kabuto or Amado ), and maybe find a way to revert the process of trapping people in tree without ending the shinju, but that plan involve way too much hazardous statement ( Shinju full cooperation, an actual way to revert it existing in the first place, time, the ability to implement the solution etc ) it just is way less reliable ) So overall, yes this is morally not really cool, but I don't think he can achieve his goals any other way
I never catch your drops this early 😂. Just finished reading the last 12 chapters of Boruto and first 17 of two blue vortex. Read them just so I could watch your content spoiler free since I got through most of your Naruto content 😂
I don't think what Shika is doing is morally wrong, esp from a ninja's POV, but I do believe the author will punish him for it. "No no no, talk no jutsu is the only way". Lame. I might question though, if they can be befriended, why not just stop there and just stay friends? If you can truly bring your enemy over to your side, why bother betraying them for it?
I really love where boruto is heading , its not straight forward like naruto was , there will be alot of twist and turns in future that we wont be able to predict. I just hope it doesnt get rushed and is fully polished series for us
But you forgot the fact that in the end, this may turn out all right because of Kashin Koji's guidance. Unless Koji's ending isn't as jolly as a different, more moral approach to the situation.
Bros talk no jutsu is so good. You don’t even realize that 90% of his videos are just. Irrelevant lore and jabber about the generalized topic or character in the video
konohamaru might pull an Ohgi from Code Geas: try to fake a friendship but ultimately develop feelings for his enemy that screws over his boss. Best case scenerio, Konohamaru talk no jutsu's Matsuri into understanding that her existence is putting his bestie in trouble Funniest would be that both Matsuri and Konohamaru share a kiss (started by Matsuri) and that, somehow, clears a condition for her "devouring" Konohamaru. Then we can move to discovering what the ofther trees really want.
I think shikimaru believes in this plan but remember it was fed to him by koshinkoji. This means that these actions will lead to what he believes is the best outcome which may mean deceiving shikimaru. I think that they won't be able to actually go through with this plan and will end up forming some type of bond with the shinju. The only way to convince them to act friendly long enough for this was to tell them it was to betray them. Maybe they end up siding with team 7 to defeat jura or befriending all of them to team up against the otsutsuki threat. Something boruto himself might not be aware of because it would be too much of a risk to tell him everything
11:00 it’s funny bc you can run a computer and games with just a cpu, I did it by accident for 3 years, just if your cpu is bad you won’t be able to do anything lol
I don't think this is too far out there as a theory. One of the big issues with Narutos peace plan, is that it's him that people listen to due to his strength. Naruto warps the worlds beliefs around his own. But when Naruto is no longer there, the world needs some other way to create peace. Shikamaru has very much always stuck to the old system of thinking, even in Naruto he was a Will of Fire type. Naruto only had two allies with his system of thinking, Tsunade and Gaara. Tsunade is too old and Gaara has suffered the same fate as Sasuke. Without outside factors to destroy that system of thinking, if Naruto were to remain imprisoned forever, everything would again devolve to the village system, or perhaps even the clan system as villages are becoming less important due to technology.
Naruto would be like "Maybe I can convince Jura I am not that tasty and we can live as friends"
I wloud not be surprised if naruto does try to use talk no jutsu on jura
Jura is built to counter talk no jutsu, bro's definitely gonna be a philosophy nerd.
@@BlaireSnorlax now I want to see the debate lol
Not gonna lie Jura seems like a bro fr he really chilln, polite, will turn a blind eye 😂
“Shikamaru would be a great Hokage if he weren’t so lazy” Asuma Sarutobi (Cigarretes got to his brain”
"cigarettes" 😅
Naaaa him and Amado be lighting up loool
@@ninodeyz5799💯💯💯 of course... Why dyu think dey so smart?! 🍃🔥
@@vetodaartist7797 😎😎
He just needed the right reason. The “king” that Asuma would teach Shikamaru about is happening in full swing. Shikamaru is the ONLY hokage that suits this task
I like how this highlights that, since Naruto is out of the picture, the Shinobi have gone back to their old ways, Naruto was the shinning light of the Shinobi world, he made the other Shinobi and nations to try to be better without going against their morals. Now that he's gone they've lost they light and have gone back to the dark past, of konoha exploiting people which lead to dire consequences which lead , the Uchiha genocide, turning rin into the three tails and which lead to the Shinobi world wars. Just to say all these "Shinobi actions" came with a massive repercussions
Facts🔥🔥
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Yet people were hating on naruto cause of the hidden rain thing
And there is a new sun that needs to take his place. But he is currently hidden behind the clouds of confusion…and omnipotence.
Since you put it like that it feels like Naruto was more samurai than a shinobi lmao
Arguably this IS Shikamaru not compromising his morals. His mentor was murdered by the physical personification of evil, a man who had killed probably _thousands_ of non-combatants for money. The Shinju aren't nearly as malicious as Hidan but they're significantly more dangerous because they're operating on pure impulse and instinct and you can't really trust that not to suddenly hurt a loved one. A domesticated tiger is still a wild animal.
Disregarding power level, hidan is more dangerous. Bro was a literal psychopath the others are just more powerful
@kleatise52 Having that level of power and no impulse control and a predator drive makes them more dangerous in my opinion, it's akin to having multiple Buu's roaming around. Ryu even states before team 7+ showed up he was gonna just wander around murdering any Shinobi he saw, just because he could, and Ryu is the weaker of the pair. Hidan is certainly extremely threatening but he's in essence a serial killer and serial killers are predictable.
If anything, this showcases the paper-thin morals of everyone else. The difference between a regular Ten-tails and a Shinju is that the latter is anthropomorphic, that's it. Where it a beast-shaped beast, this would be NO moral quandary. Can you convince them to NOT kill anyone else? Probably. Does that mean giving up on the comrades whose bodies they used to attain that anthropomorphosis? Absolutely. Even if we weren't talking about getting Sasuke back, a major help in the whole world's defenses, it would still be right to take down the Shinju with the least possible casualties.
@@biohazard724 what’s worse, someone that kills everyone they see for religion unless they are an ally or someone that might kill you but might be convinced not to. Lol I mean cmon these characters could never walk up to hidan and try to be friendly.
It may not be "morally" the right decision.......... HOWEVER, "situationally" it's the BEST course of action Shikamaru has taken with the current situation.
In my opinion!!
On the surface, yes. But in real time, It’s not. Betrayal has never gotten good results. Especially with enemies as strong as the Shinju and Jura in particular. This plan relies too heavily on mind games. I think Shikamaru knows this plan will fail at some point, but it’s just enough to buy him enough time to think of a counterplan
if sending team 7 would have such a big repurcussion then kashin koji would have warned shikamaru about it beforehand, the fact that he didn't means the chance of it happening is very less
Realistically, in both chess and shogi, you have to make risky moves that appear to jeopardize the game plan. I really hope Kohohamaru finds a better way though
This is what good character writing looks like.
2:56 so does that make Konoha roughly tree level
Below tree level
@Smnsnsnsn oof
Have you seen hashirama? His wood was amazing
@@Avada_ontop crazy statement😭
@Avada_ontop pause
Based on this video, I’d assume the Naruto like character in Konohamaru won’t be able to kill Matsuri while the New Age Sand siblings will kill Ryu + take Thorn Bulb, all with some other troubles that pop up
“This universe really is a drag.” -Shikamaru
*Universe explodes*
Shikamaru is clearly universal in power
😂😂😂😂 that’s hilarious
@@bigyoshi5170 you guys are hilarious 😂
UNLESS...Shikamru is intentionally playing on Konohomarus feelings by using his genuis intellect to know this is the only way to achieve the desired outcome.
I'm just throwing darts at the board, but everytime Shikamaru makes a play, we as the viewer often are mislead by his initial actions only to see the real plan unfold.
I had perceived this move as something even Shikamaru was disgusted with but was goaded into it by Kashin Koji since we see the toad on Shikamaru's shoulder when Konohamaru asked who his source was
you have made my boyfriends christmas eve because i recently made him watch all of naruto and shippuden and he has the most unnecessary beef with Shikamaru 😂 i just sent him a screenshot of this video and his response is literally, “more like shitamaru amirite” and im CACKLING
I love this 😂😂😂😂
@@caseydanielllle now I wonder who he likes the most in Naruto 😂
@@My_Rythm i’ll ask him! 😂 he makes fun of me because i will SCREAM any time someone mentions that FUCKING KABUTO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE I MEAN COME ONNNNN
What the fuck did he do wrong before this?😭
@@My_Rythmprobably Danzo
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Ah yes, the one flaw in Shikamaru's plan
He isn't aware hes a fictional character in a story with an agenda
Rule number 1 of being a shinobi.
LEARN TO SEE THROUGH DECEPTION!
JURA has read books about shinobi. He told Ryu things about the Konoha Shinobi. Ryu didn’t say everything Jura told them. Ryu is also playing mind games. That’s why he says “FOR REALS” Shinki as a character has always been on guard and when you think you’ve fooled him. He’s fooled you. Watch his fight with Mitsuki again…
Matsuri: *gets betrayed*
Matsuri: “You know who isn’t human… PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!”
@@jerviasjohnson700 oof. That cuts deep. Especially if that’s said to Shikamaru
Elfen Lied reference
You forget that the divine trees are using the chakra for hostages to come into being
I don't think this would have a negative affect on Jura in the way you think. I think the way this will backfire is that it will work- and Jura will learn more about humanity. We know that he loves to learn about humanity but most of that has been in theory, from books. That's why he was so invested in the interactions of team 10 because he encountered something he couldn't conceive of. And then he learned something. That's exactly what will happen, only this time he'll learn the art of deception and emotional manipulation. Instead of turning him off to humanity it'll make him even more curious.
Naruto's way would've been to turn him into a friend and he does that by showing people who he is. Shikamaru is showing Jura a villain, and that's exactly what he's going to end up shaping Jura into. In that way Jura, once he becomes an actual villain, will be the creation of Konoha- ironically like so many other villains that came after Konoha.
It falls in line more with the Shinju and Jura being like wild beasts, like children, learning everything for the first time. Children learn infinitely more from watching adults interact, and the things they learn the fastest are the bad things. Once they've done enough learning they begin testing these things out, and eventually it shapes them into the person they become. Guess that means Shikamaru is also being a bad dad lol
13:39 and why does it matter how they get the job done ?? When the big bad of the Story is the entire planet being consumed ???? What are we talking about
Exactly
Facts
Because that's not how Naruto, the show, was written. Like Nick said, this isn't usual for the protagonists, which is why we're made to think if this is the correct way even though the plan is logical on paper.
@@asrieldreemurr7577 nick be yapping I honestly do not take him seriously.
@@lamar9616 then why are you even here?
Let’s be real, Konohamaru will not betray Moegi. He’s Narutos student and he’s not heartless. Especially if his enemy isn’t either. I believe he’s gonna pull a talk no jutsu, bc he’s gonna be empathetic towards Matsuri, and convince her to merge back with Moegi bc that’s her true form, and that way, they can always be together (Konohamaru and Matsui)
Similar to Roxas and Nomine in KH2
Let the man cook!! 🫡
I think in someway Shikamaru’s plans won’t go as stated. But I would rather love it if shikamaru’s does a big brain huge plot twist on everyone. I would like “the plan” to actually fail but shikamaru is like, “I actually planned it to not follow through so I can actually go fwd with the real plan”. I just don’t want him to go out like that and I think it’d be a huge redemption for shikamaru
Also I like Naruto but I do hate that we kinda accepted his bad, illogical characteristics and started to believe his way is the right way. For example, he was willing to bring sasuke back and keep him as a friend, no matter what bad thing sasuke did. Like if sasuke killed so many people, did so much wrong and even at some point wanted to destroy the whole hidden leaf village at some point. I would believe if sasuke was to kill an important character like kakashi Naruto would be high mad/upset but he would still forgive him. If we’re being honest, he kinda technically deserved to died in the story but I get it, kishimoto wanted to leave a message that had a happy ending for the main character.
So now when it comes to the shinju’s how else will we get the other characters back? So either they kill the shinjus or they actually befriend the shinjus and they actually don’t get their friends back(which I doubt).
@@KenKashi7who did sasuke kill?
@ sorry let me correct myself. I don’t remember any active kills but based on working for orochimaru (doing what he requests) for those years, cause we know many people died for orochimaru to advance. My main reasons for saying that is cause he had no problem saying he was going to destroy the village, he was willing to kill kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and more. So yeah I don’t remember him actively killing anyone, he’s actually not really good at that task lol (example: orochimaru, itachi, danzo and the previous I mentioned)
@ oh okay I see I remember he actually didn’t kill anyone which is why Orochimaru called him soft or weak
Shikamaru Naru??? 😂😂Nara 😂😂😂
Shikamaru is already a better hokage than Naruto. Her recruited Eida, Daemon, and Amado back to the leaf after Code kidnapped Amado. He kept Kawaki in check for the past 3 years, and now a double agent working with Boruto/koji to take down the shinju.
Did u not listen to what this video said?
@ I did and I disagree, I think Kawaki is the reason for the leaf village destruction.
"It's not like she's trying to unhinge her jaw to fit him in there"
Me "Aaayyyooooo!"
Couldn't orochimaru clone either Sasuke's or sarada's eyes so that she could take them and get EMS using similar principles as what we have for organ cloning
The moment we clone eyes I’m never watching this show again ngl
@kleatise52 it would be a very unsatisfying twist but at the same time it's the smartest move to do to give a character EMS and to be fair orochimaru kind of already has been doing that that's kind of the entire point of shin Uchiha
It makes sense to do and they could write around it by making it like you can only clone from a living sample so he couldn't clone like madera's eyes and she has to get EMS at some point or just have her mangekyou not lose their light which could work because they were awoken out of love not hatred or pain meaning her eyes aren't going further and further into the darkness so she wouldn't lose light which would be cool but at the same time kind of lame especially since EMS is a power up. And they are trying to go more sci-fi with it so having the characters make this kind of logical decision would be interesting. Because a lot of them haven't made the most logical choices like Sasuke and Naruto should have done a simple blood transfusion or something so they could awaken rinnegan because why wouldn't they
@@benogle4951 this is just my opinion, I think we should move farther away from cloning or anything like it. Keep it minimal and do it tastefully the hashirama cell was bad enough but now there’s shibai cells and if we literally give sarada an artificial Ems, we’re moving away from a good, grounded story.
@kleatise52 perhaps, but they are trying to go more sci-fi with it, and honestly it's not so much that I want to see it happen but more that it would make a good video
I think the war on Shinju is unavoidable because it's either this cold tactic or finding out that Shikamaru has been working with Boruto behind Jura's back. Also for Boruto to act, Jura needs to be eliminated. I don't agree with this tactic, but Shikamaru is up against the wall for helping Boruto escape the Leaf Village. His title as Hokage is at stake. Also, his decision holds the lives of Konoha in his hands. I know Naruto wouldn't allow this decision, but his gullible attitude led him to be trapped in another dimension with his wife by the person he wanted to save, which was Kawakii. I'm actually excited about the twists and turns for this manga. I can't wait to read it for the new year. I wish for anybody reading this happy holidays and an even better new year. I hope your dreams and wishes come true.
I love the heavy influence of Swagkage's latest video in Nick's arguments here !
Question: do you think it's Chikamaru's plan or Kashin Koji's !?
kojis.
chess metaphor on nchammer Christmas Eve drop is crazy
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3:03 main content
21:58 closing
A women’s love can turn to supreme hate.. and that’s what about to happen
Sasuke is just as intelligent and has sometimes proven to be even more intelligent than shikamaru
Shikamaru is in his Tobirama era! He is truly the Shadow Hokage! 👑🦌
Tobirama was smart and could fight
@@kd-rq6tland invent his own shit , an had all the 8 bijus on a whim before selling them to other villages for money 🐐
“She’s not trying to unhinge her jaw to fit him in” hmmm you sure about that😂
Bro no please.... As much as I wish for it to happen.,... I have to deal with the fact this show is made for children😅😅😅😅
In real life you have to do things like this in a war
Its easy to see why Naruto and Sasuke couldn't be around. Naruto would have simply talked to the shinju and the arc woiuld be over in one page lmao. Sasuke probably would have also either talked to them, or figured out how to get Naruto back and then talked to them, and the entire arc would be over in a couple chapters.
the moment u had me convinced was when u said, if naruto met a someone who has childlike innocence but was just ridiculously powerful his first instinct would be to a. befriend them and cut them down, or b genuinely befriend them and bring them to their side, Shikamaru messed up! i was thinking he was standin on all ten but i think hes about to have konoha hung up by all ten
The question is, do you just leave Sasuke, Moegi, etc. trapped in trees fr the rest of eternity? The only way to get them out is the shinjus thorn soul bulbs. You have to kill them as far as we know. Just befriending them means those who they replaced Stay in limbo forever. That's the issue.
Can you do a short on the Pros and Cons of being a Shinobi
Too much for a short, that’s a whole vid and I’m here for it!
Pros you get paid cons it’s dangerous pros you get fame con target on your back idk Breh just think
Pro - Cool jutsu
CONS - Dying before 25
I feel like that's super straight forward
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I believe "Consume" is being misinterpreted, it doesn't necessarily mean "eating" it could mean knowledge.
Something i really like about the shinjus is that they started by killing people and made us believe they were evil and were just monsters, and then we got hit with they are just beast cubs
Which asks the question, If you were in a room with a lion cub with limited food"Would you kill a lion cub because it might be a threat when it's grown or take the risk and raise to be your companion which does not guarantee your safety
OIHHHHHH MAAAN! YOU ARE COOOOOKIN WITH THIS ONE MY FRIEND!!! Merry Christmas Eve and Thank you soooo much for another banger of a video! Love Ya Bro happy holidays to you and yours...
I have a question: Do you think the Boruto series would be better if it took place in another universe, where it have elements of the Naruto series, but also a disconnect from the main series? A good example of this is JoJo Steel Ball Run.
yes, it would've been better received, like alternate universe or timeline.
No I'd hate if that happens
IMO, no. A lot of Borutos traction came from the fact that it WAS a continuation of the series. If it was disconnected, it wouldn’t have gotten of the ground until much, much later
Edit: I think it would become like a Jax and Daxter type of feel. Like it’s tryna do too many things at once but doesn’t have its own identity to call its own
I honestly think this could've been a good move. Boruto is basically a rehash of Naruto with different but similar concepts so yeah.
Nah it wouldn't have done as well, as it wouldn't be a part of the naruto universe. That's like having DBS separate from the original series, if it takes place in another universe then it isn't a part of that previous series.
Bro has thrown so many theories on how Konoha gets destroyed that by the time it happens he will always be right lol, even a broken clock says the time right twice a day
And another thing , is no one else slightly curious about the other planets that got consumed ? I’d like to imagine that they were more advanced and stronger than the the current planet
yo he was spitting facts about the geniuses in Naruto. I immediately thought about Neji who was another self proclaimed genius and he:
1)was big depressed and jealous because of his clans class system
2) tried the bad guy bit, got folded
3) Kinda ambiguous with his intentions behind what he truly wanted from being a ninja. Did he wanna be better and change his clan? did he just abuse crush hinata for her being a part of the main branch or want to prove he was always better than his clan? did he ever love ten ten? Was his byakugan not activated when he got packed up by a tree?
so many questions…😂
And shikamaru isn’t sentient, hes not making any choices
I can't believe I JUST NOW realized this...
The Shinju are just like Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. The way they are created and share the same likeness and abilities of their Somebodies is incredibly obvious.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional...wow. You think Kishimoto likes KH? 🤣
Now that I realize this...how would Konoha deal with the shinju? Would they truly go the route of "death" like in KH? Or will they actually talk no jutsu them into giving up their cores so that their "somebodies" can return?
NOW I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES!
The thing is we are judging it from a reader's pov while they are just characters who thinks that they are the main characters .
Why would the story only function off good natured decisions? Shikamaru is not doing something underhanded against any ninja, he’s doing it against an alien species that may or may not consume them all eventually. Why are we acting like this is just an evil plan when this is just a plan out of desperation and logic? Nah I really don’t see him being the reason Konoha is destroyed. TBV is just a different story than Naruto was.
This might be the best and most coherent video youve ever made.
The shinju narrative has some really high potential to be something special
Are we forgetting that Kashin Koji was the one who told Shikamaru to send team 7 to the Hidden Sand?
the divine trees are literally the 9 tailed beasts. jura loves and respects konoha because naruto befriended the 9 tailed beasts and let them live happy and free
Also each shinju's death/ending will be with them becoming full filled. Masturi will want to return the soul bulb after feeling her love for konohomaru, jura will join with himawari and himiwari will be the 10 tail jinchuriki making her the incarnation of the sage of six paths.
2:27 you know what else is massive???
Your mom
@pepsiblue in my heart yes, on this earth she’s no longer with us, merry Christmas may you find all the blessings you deserve💕
so wholesome happy holidays!
LOOOOOOOOOOW TAAAPPER FADE
You smoked this one sir 🤝
*Choked
Be funny if the Bug Shinju goes on a crazy character arc and ends up as the next Hokage. (stupid, but funny)
Funnier if it’s Jura.
@madarasoun3018 Jura beats Naruto in a full-on election campaign.
@@NegaHumanX I really want to see Jura develops the love for Konoha and its people and vice versa. Then he took Naruto’s word, “I’m gonna be Hokage.” lol that would be hilarious.😂
Hey Nick and everyone, I was thinking in part one Naruto, Naruto said to Konohamaru there are no shortcuts to becoming the Hokage, and that is what Shikamaru in Two Blue Vortex is doing. 🤯
Hes literally doing everything in his power to not be hokage for as long as possible, thats not a shortcut
@shadow-faye oh nvm
But isn’t he just doing Kashin Koji’s plan from what he saw in the future? The backfire can’t be on Shikamaru it would have to come from the side from somebody like Kawaki
They are ninjas . deception is their bread and butter
I actually wanna understand how anyone feels sorry for these shinju. Please enlighten me on what im missing
Kogi is the real reason for the shortcut. He told Shikamaru to send those ninja and gave him enough intelligence to formulate the plan.
W video man!
What orher plan could Shikamaru had came up with? 🤔🤔 If the only other plan was talk no jutsu, I hope Shikamaru plan is sucessful. 😂😂
Great video
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“Shikamaru Naru” is a crazy slip up to ignore 😂😂😂 BECAUSE we know that you know
And that’s false jura does not want them to just go and consume people . He wants to then to go explore and find themselves
Merry Christmas to you Nick-don't know if you're gonna read this but still wanted to say thanks and as always love the theories and facts that come up in this channel of yours :)
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To be fair, him giving in to the 9tails is literally what saved him. He just did it to the degree that he almost lost himself.
But the actual act? Confirmed got the chakra rods out of him.
The point people are missing is how dumb this plan is. It’s not even a “risky” plan, it’s a death assured plan that’s gonna go completely wrong when it comes to the betrayal part of the plan. Except none of them are likely to die 🤣
Jura could sense the chakra of kurama in himawari from countries away and he doesn't think he'll be able to sense his friends getting killed. Honestly it is a completely stupid plan by a supposed genius. Like surface level it sounds fine but a better plan would be befriend the rest of them and have them help fight against jura then try that underhanded tactic when they r all weak. I'm definitely not a genius and that's 10 times better of a plan 😅
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Shikamaru Naru 😂 hell yeah.
Shikamaru's strategy is based on Kashin Koji's 10 directions. God knows how many times Koji saw multiple different scenarios that ended up horribly. There is a reason why Koji agreed to Shikamaru's strategy. Whether it works or not is another story entirely. But I believe that this route is their best chance in defeating Ryu and Matsuri.
My thing is, they don’t wanna piss off Jura, but killing a Shinju is going to piss him off ain’t it? 😅
They don't want him to attack regular citizens for no reason, but theres reason for this and it isn't about citizens
Idk Nick, the way she looks at Konohamaru she might unhinge that jaw 😂
Tbh From an in universe POV, shikamaru's technique is the smartest thing to do at this point, to achieve the specific goals he has and concidering the informations he has.
Goal : Eliminate potential threat to the village and retrieve lost Konoha ( and Suna ) shinobis
Information : Shinju are naive but too powerfull to be faced straight up, if you destroy them you might be able to save the people in trees
Bonus context point : No one around him is powerfull enough to brute force through it ( aka Naruto is "dead", Sasuke is "missing", Kowaki, Daemon and Delta probably wouldn't follow his orders and Boruto is a wanted criminal )
Yeah, using underhanded tactics is more or less the only viable option he still has
( well arguably you could clearly make a point that he could befriend them, and then try to send them to be studied by a great scientific mind ( i.e. Oroshimaru, Kabuto or Amado ), and maybe find a way to revert the process of trapping people in tree without ending the shinju, but that plan involve way too much hazardous statement ( Shinju full cooperation, an actual way to revert it existing in the first place, time, the ability to implement the solution etc ) it just is way less reliable )
So overall, yes this is morally not really cool, but I don't think he can achieve his goals any other way
A Shinju gonna have the will of fire and a little leaf silhouette in the background.
6:57 bruv the chibaku tensei drains her chakra and when team 7 sealed her her body literally reverted back to the 10 tails and blew up….she’s dead
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Fake fan. His last name is Nara. Not Naru. And you call yourself a Naruto geek?
Holding a pen makes u look even more professional lol
I never catch your drops this early 😂. Just finished reading the last 12 chapters of Boruto and first 17 of two blue vortex. Read them just so I could watch your content spoiler free since I got through most of your Naruto content 😂
The next issue will be named, The revival of Talk no jutsu
Compliments to the chef. I wonder if the flash forward scene happens before Team 7 returns from the Wind.
Merry Christmas to you and your family :3
I don't think what Shika is doing is morally wrong, esp from a ninja's POV, but I do believe the author will punish him for it. "No no no, talk no jutsu is the only way". Lame. I might question though, if they can be befriended, why not just stop there and just stay friends? If you can truly bring your enemy over to your side, why bother betraying them for it?
Shikamaru doing some black ops shit is just what we need. Hopfully then anbu can have a decent showing
I really love where boruto is heading , its not straight forward like naruto was , there will be alot of twist and turns in future that we wont be able to predict. I just hope it doesnt get rushed and is fully polished series for us
Bro shika is going to nuke the whole fire country 😂
I honestly feel bad for the Shinju RN, but I guess that’s his nindo 😂
Maybe the heap of rubble that was Konoha, that Boruto and Kawaki were battling on top of in the beginning, was the result of this decision right here?
Keep up the amazing work and videos Nick
But you forgot the fact that in the end, this may turn out all right because of Kashin Koji's guidance. Unless Koji's ending isn't as jolly as a different, more moral approach to the situation.
Bros talk no jutsu is so good. You don’t even realize that 90% of his videos are just. Irrelevant lore and jabber about the generalized topic or character in the video
konohamaru might pull an Ohgi from Code Geas: try to fake a friendship but ultimately develop feelings for his enemy that screws over his boss.
Best case scenerio, Konohamaru talk no jutsu's Matsuri into understanding that her existence is putting his bestie in trouble
Funniest would be that both Matsuri and Konohamaru share a kiss (started by Matsuri) and that, somehow, clears a condition for her "devouring" Konohamaru. Then we can move to discovering what the ofther trees really want.
I think shikimaru believes in this plan but remember it was fed to him by koshinkoji. This means that these actions will lead to what he believes is the best outcome which may mean deceiving shikimaru. I think that they won't be able to actually go through with this plan and will end up forming some type of bond with the shinju. The only way to convince them to act friendly long enough for this was to tell them it was to betray them. Maybe they end up siding with team 7 to defeat jura or befriending all of them to team up against the otsutsuki threat. Something boruto himself might not be aware of because it would be too much of a risk to tell him everything
it sounds like to me you're making Jura out to be a op version of Orochimaru on crack
Merry christmas from kangaroo land! Even though we are a day ahead you can say its party time somewhere !🎉
11:00 it’s funny bc you can run a computer and games with just a cpu, I did it by accident for 3 years, just if your cpu is bad you won’t be able to do anything lol
All those brains and Shikamaru never learned Talk no Jutsu
I don't think this is too far out there as a theory. One of the big issues with Narutos peace plan, is that it's him that people listen to due to his strength. Naruto warps the worlds beliefs around his own. But when Naruto is no longer there, the world needs some other way to create peace. Shikamaru has very much always stuck to the old system of thinking, even in Naruto he was a Will of Fire type. Naruto only had two allies with his system of thinking, Tsunade and Gaara. Tsunade is too old and Gaara has suffered the same fate as Sasuke. Without outside factors to destroy that system of thinking, if Naruto were to remain imprisoned forever, everything would again devolve to the village system, or perhaps even the clan system as villages are becoming less important due to technology.
He really is the worst. Shikamaru can only rely on underhanded manipulation because he has no strength to take the front lines
Thumbnail out here like tobirama didn't exist