Desert Storm - Battleship USS Missouri Comes Under Iraqi Anti-Ship Missile Attack
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Thanks to @The Mighty Jingles for sharing his story with us.
With the coalition naval forces pummeling his forces in Kuwait, Saddam launches dangerous anti-ship missile attacks against British hospital ship RFA Argus, and battleship USS Missouri. With Royal Navy and US Navy warships having been sunk and damaged in recent years by the feared Exocet missile, the attacks are very dangerous.
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Many thanks to @The Mighty Jingles for being kind enough to tell us his story
6:06 It was only one saudi F-15 piloted by Capt. Ayed Al-Shamrani that shotdown the two F1s in 30s
here is the recorded radio transmation with AWACs
ruclips.net/video/X44kywWuvgY/видео.html
1) I want to know what was in that message?!?!
2) Can you do the mine hits of the USS Tripoli (LPH-??) and USS Princeton (CG-59) during Desert Storm?
MFW I hear the HMS Brazen mentioned and IMMEDIATELY think of Jingles. Glad he could contribute to this.
Uggg 👎
I heard HMS Brazen and thought Isn't that Jingle's ship? And then I hear "Radio Operator..." and think: "Yep. It's Jingles." =D
Hi, Jingles, btw!
Omg I heard Paul Charlton as was like “I know that name…”
The Old Man has one hell of a story here, and it’s excellently retold.
In my case: "same as Jingles, what a coincidence" 🤣
Old man? Give him a break he was 20 in 1991 so he is only 50. Jesus his mates are going to love this
Ah
I didn't recognize the name, but the way it was told really gets you
Why the emphasis on this guy? But then to hear Jingle's channel name, it put a big, stupid grin on my face wondering "What??"
Typical Jingles tho, fucks up first sentence 🤣🤣
Well that bit about Jingles came out of nowhere
I was like “that’s couldn’t be THE mighty jingles right”
@@TheZonecaptain I was thinking the same thing. When he said that they made a RUclips Channel I was like wait that can't possibly be Jingles right.
@@tbwsarge1707 yeah, he used to tell his navy stories in early episodes of mingles with jingles
That made my mouth drop tbh
He told this story in a very old Mingles with Jingles episode
Fun fact, a common thief stole the computer and briefcase of a British officer containing the plans for the invasion. The thief later returned the items, but kept the money, stating that he was no spy and was just a common thief in a note.
He would be killed if he sold the state secret.
I'm not sure if I should be proud or bothered by him, they could have given the files to the enemy and get a hefty sum of rewards but they chose to return the files. Tho they still keep the money it's better than loosing those files.
What happened to the officer, for being careless?
@Grand Master The punishment for treason in the UK at the time of the Gulf War was death. Don't talk shit if you don't even know that the death penalty is common for treason, especially back then.
Mans like:
Oh shit, uhh... Are these invasion plans?
Well lemme just put'em back.
Fun fact, Jingles was in the Operations Room, waiting patiently in silence and somehow still managed to misidentify the hostile targets, it's a skill!
We knew he had practice but no one could guess it was this much 😂
It was practice for his world of warships commentary
He was trying to win harder :)
He planned all this long since the Gulf War, just for WOWS.😅
trash taliking Jingles never gets old...
I was a Marine Stationed on the Mo when all this happened. Originally when the 1MC announced Starboard side brace for shock they thought there were 9 missiles inbound. 6 turned out to be friendly aircraft without the ID on. We also manned the 5” mount just off the Surrender deck. If you look at pictures you will see our Eagle Globe and Anchor painted between the gun barrels. When all that happened it happened fast and I can remember the Glouster shooting the missile out of the sky and we were all”Gold save the Queen” we owe those boys a beer. Plus when we were Strafed by the CIWS. Some people thought that that Shrapnel would be a cool souvenir until they were informed it was radioactive. Depleted Uranium is pretty dam hard and there is a dent on turret one or two. I can’t remember now. But we’re they hit the superstructure and the steel wasn’t nearly as thick they went through like butter. Sorry I type like crap
That's incredible! I've no doubt the British would take you up on that beer. One of many things we have with our old cousins "across the pond."
Tbh radioactive shrapnel isn't too bad, and hey, a free vasectomy is a free vasectomy
@@gearandalthefirst7027 Meh, what's some radiation between friends?
I was on the USS Saratoga with my squadron VF 103. All this was played over the 1MC of the ship. All we were told was missiles were in bound and to man our stations.
Was that cook who was actually a SEAL on board? Name's Flyback or something like that - if so you had nothing to worry about.
I never would have thought that the mighty jingles was a radio operator on a royal navy ship, thats so cool!
almost passed out XD
Oh, yes, it is a story he's told many times.
same here, didnt expect this :D
Rear Admiral Jingles in the first Cylon war, so cool
He does have a radio voice.
Ok everyone telling The Operations Room to get his facts straight about when he said that Exocets had previously damaged and sunk both USN and RN warships, take a breath already. He was clearly talking in general about the previous incidents of them being both damaged and sunk (during the Falklands War and the USS Stark incident of 1987) and not talking at all about it happening during the Gulf War.
Swift and Bold.
In fact, I was wondering about what war the US lost a ship to exocets. So Stark incident it is.
yeah well people in this comment section are freaking stupid, apparently know everything and cant type proper english for shit
@@termitreter6545 Except Stark didn't sink, was brought home for repairs and returned to service until retired with the rest of the OH Perry Frigates.
@@wesleyworley8982 neither did the HMS Sheffield she was toed and later scuttled and sent to the bottom.
I was in the Combat Engagement Center (CEC) on the Missouri during both incidents. Our CIWS didn't engage because the Iraqi missile hadn't reached the preprogramed firing range, but we did have a solid track. For the USS Jarrett, this was just a first of many incidents with her weapons systems. The issue that complicated things more than any other was that we were in a narrow naval gunfire support track, swept for mines to 80% confidence. Our embarked EOR team was put in the water to destroy floating mines ten times during the early stages of the war.
tripoli and princeton both took mine strikes in this area
Interesting. Thanks for the insight. (10:41 especially)
Thanks for telling your story. It's interesting to hear details of modern naval warfare that doesn't really involve aircraft carriers.
if the missile hit, how much damage do you think the old girl would of gotten?
@@navy3001 Honnestly, quite a bit of damage but unless the Missouri was really unlucky and the missile hit something really vital like a magasine or created a hole too big at or below the waterline, the old girl would have survived, albeit wounded.
Sees the incoming Mirages, has compromised defenses, sees the defenseless hospital ship, immediately puts themselves between the hospital ship and the hostile forces.
the HMS Brazen certainly lives up her name.
Brazen, v.: to face with defiance or impudence
the british navy has a proud tradition
Well, to be fair, this act of heroism (while very admirable for what it truly is and contains), is basically written up as a procedure somewhere in a boring office room. Still doesn't put anything away from the excitement and worries an actual crew has to act to it, but in the missile age it's only become's different from training when the radar 'blip' comes too close.
Still had a six round launcher and countermeasures. Brazen had a better chance of surviving the attack than Argus did.
Also, Argus isn't actually a hospital ship. Since she's armed, she's classed as a primary casualty receiving ship. Just a side note.
The British have always been the best at naming their ships, going back centuries. Every one has/had some badass name. I wish we did that.
@The_Jaguar_ Knight I know Sheila lol, but she is pre-Christian, and likely comes from paganism. Hilarious name for a boat however LOL.
Iraqi military: Jingles too STRONK, we attack Missouri instead.
Not sure that was a wise choice.
Given how things turned out, surrender was the correct choice.
A milk out nose moment...
I am (old) USN Vet.... your comment is EPIC! ... and I don't even know Jingles!
O7
@@kennethhicks2113 Jingles is awesome; you should definitely check out his videos. If you look at his recent "A Gnome Abroad" videos from the past week or two, he flies around in Microsoft Flight Simulator and recounts tales from his time in the Royal Navy while flying over various ports of call he's visited such as Puerto Rico and the Caribbean isles.
He also has hundreds of World of Tanks and World of Warships videos where he narrates his and other people's games, and he'll often go into the history of the various ships and tanks. I HIGHLY recommend his RUclips channel.
@@justinkashtock333 ROFLMAO! Sry for lang ; )
I just did the same last night and posted a video of me flying the A5 up to Soo Locks and visiting my friend on a camping tour with his wife making FPV drone videos! Ty, I will check him out. Lol, many think it's funny an old man doing these things!
I recalled hearing this on Mingles with Jingles ages back, and when you namedropped the mightiest gnome I was pleasantly surprised. Even more so when his voice kicked in!
What could go wrong?
What episode was that?
ON GOD!!!
anyone remember what episode it was
Ok
"Protocol demands that he hand deliver this message to the ship's operations room." hey! that's the name of the channel!
I've watched too much CinemaSins so as soon as that was said, I responded with, "Roll credits"
@@BGerbs66 You forgot the ping
"So what we're in some kind of *looks at camera* Operations Room?"
@@BGerbs66 : *ding*
You prevented a message of imminent threat from being delivered to the proper officer. Whoops. Whoopsie.
Some corrections on the story - The initial report of the ASM launch was not from an A-6E. It was from an EA-6B Prowler from VAQ-141 off of TR. I was in ECMO 3 (left rear) and saw the launch. We were south of Failaka island between the battle group and the shore in an orbit at perhaps 15K waiting to escort our 2nd strike of the night into Kuwait. We immediately maneuvered to start a SAM evasion but then it became clear the missiles were staying low and you could see the rocket exhaust of both reflecting off it the water. We began jamming on some specific frequencies. The Gloucester's missile launch was clear and it looked very video game like as the intercept occurred. The flash was bright enough to light up the bottom of our jet. We lost sight of the 2nd missile at that point and assume the blast from the intercept put it in the water (or just as likely out went in on it's own). We reported the specific launch site and the A-6's that did bomb in that area were considerably after the event.
Wow thanks!
i was there on the Missouri, and saw the missile flying at us. it was a bit more after of us. almost like it was following us. i was up at the citadel, and heard one of the guys looking at radar talking about something coming at us. i looked aft and saw what looked like a really slow moving sparkler. it didn't seem fast moving at all it was dark, but created quite a bit of light. anyhow, a couple of use began hand cranking closed the hatch, which is like 3 feet thick. and is not something that closes in a couple of seconds. the missile crept closer, and we were hand cranking as fast as possible, the hatch only moved millimeters at a time, so we saw it continuing to come at ass... after only getting that hatch about halfway closed, we saw it get shot down, and it was all over in an instant. there were only a couple of us topside to see the whole thing, i knew it was serious towards the end, as the marines that guard the captain, all piled on top of him with all their protective gear on, he wasn't thrilled about it at all. and he was down on the bridge, which is rather cramped with his chair right there, and crew all around. all in all, it's a day not forgotten, obviously. but things like this is something you don't know the details for, for years. props to the mighty jingles, i probably would have made it through the explosion, inside that thick steel, but not sure to what extent. i did get pictures of it, but i think my shots are in the national archive somewhere.
Thanks for sharing this story
A Dominar of Action indeed!
@@TheCoolCucumber pretty sure there's always a contingent of Marines on any significantly sized ship. Whether there's any in the Bridge relates to war time, I'm certain.
I somehow don't believe this.
@@teddly2277 I dgaf what you believe. It happened. As the ship's photographer I even photographed what was happening.
What’s very nice about these documentaries is that they clearly show the information gap present in a warzone.
It isn’t something that is usually well presented so thanks to the team for this care put in the work
I love these little nuisances with regards to the fog of war. Excellent depiction.
As the saying goes: "Military intelligence is an oxymoron".
yeah, although the better history books do convey this usually better. Just finished up Tully / Parshall's Shattered Sword and currently going through Hornfisher's Neptune's Inferno. It really is 5 minutes of shit hitting the fan, and then hours of trying to safe your ships and man in nerfwrecking uncertainty if the enemy strikes again. And even with the best modern systems around, it is still a system error or miscommunication away from being the same uncertain and unknown situation.
Pressing a button is easy, but it is damn impossible for a human to be able to access what happens the next 90 seconds before hand, so you can only hope they are trained and prepared enough to handle whatever is thrown on them.
@@justinkashtock333 Another oxymoron is "honest politician/lawyer" though I'm just saying random things for the sake of being a gremlin.
Jingles moment
I still find it hilariously disturbing that the RN suffered years of "Incoming radio message! We sunk an enemy carrier!" reports from the radio officer. When you actually accidentally hit a tugboat.
@@benbaselet2026 🤣🤣🤣 that gave me a good laugh
The real Jingles moment here is him appearing in a video sponsored by WOWS one week after quitting the WOWS CC program and saying he wanted nothing more to do with the company, hahaha!
#924.
British shoot down a missile to protect a US fleet. Americans celebrate by firing 500 rounds of CWIS into the air, almost causing a blue on blue. Most patriotic thing I've ever seen, for the UK and US. lol.
brothers
Actually it was the UK commiting the blue on blue
@@JustMe-gn6yf err no it wasn't
@@selfco8142 actually had to rewatch and I stand corrected.
@UCkR34uAcfStkdC_0gd5K7Ug Nope it was the US frigate USS Jarrett watch the video again
I was a CIWS tech for over 20 years. I am not only qualified on every iteration of the weapon system, but I also trained others on them. While I am familiar with the story of weapon system firing on the Missouri, the incident was caused by incompetent leadership aboard the Jarret. On an Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigate, the CIWS is located aft and has about 270 degree engagement arc. While in formation sailing, it is the responsibility of the officers to maintain correct navigation with respect to these firing arcs. Every detection system for any weapon system onboard any US ship has the ability to be easily programmed with a no-engage sector within their firing arcs. This is especially critical while ships are in formation. This was a massive screw-up of the officers not the weapon system. Here's why. 1) CIWS can only engage things that are incoming at a particular speed. Specifics can be added to specific engagement sectors to engage targets with specific criteria, but only incoming targets. It is odd that CIWS engaged the chaff. It must have detected chaff briefly inbound at a certain speed, which meant the engagement speed was set too low or even worse erroneously picked up on an outbound radar signature from the Missouri itself, which should have been blanked out the very first day the two ships joined together for formation. These types of things are established via battle orders prior to entering a potential hostile area. How the officers told the techs (aka battle orders) to setup the engagement protocols was amateurish. Had a senior enlisted fire controlman (FC) been consulted on the battle orders, such things like this would have never happened. It took an FC to realize what the officers ordered was wrong to correct the problem and minimize the damage. Take notice that there was no mention of any officer getting reprimanded or fired for being incompetent and nearly costing lives. 2) There clearly was no no-engage sector programmed or at least not programmed correctly. If the Jarret had changed positions in the formation rendering the no-engage sector obsolete, the sector could have been re-programmed in seconds. This is one the reasons why every station, including CIWS, is manned during battle stations and training is so critical. So such things can be done quickly as the situation arises.
US naval officers are often arrogant and ignorant at the same time. Almost every major incident that the US navy has ever had whether it was in combat or other incident is due to this arrogance and associated ignorance. There is a huge social rift between the enlisted and officer ranks in the US Navy. There is a prevailing attitude that enlisted are lowly, foolish peasants who exist to do the bidding of their master officers. When in fact, the enlisted are the ones who diligently train to maintain and operate the very ship and systems the officers command. Most officers, even the commanding officers, are aboard for only 18 months, while a standard tour for enlisted is twice that. As an E-6 during my eighth year in the navy, the ship I was on, there were 50% more officers than E-6s. We E-6s had more collective education, (yes college degrees), and experience (years in the navy and operating aboard a ship) than the collective education and experience of the officers. The span of this difference increased as my career increased. In the days of sail and even 50 years ago, officers presiding over enlisted made sense. Today, the manner in which officers are chosen and the divide between officers and enlisted is obsolete, remnant of the days of educated lords over their uneducated worker surfs. Naval leadership is very broken. Stories like this, to the USS Fitzgerald collision in 2017, to the most recent USS Connecticut incident are testaments to this.
Briz KT, Perfect comment, well expressed. Thanks for keeping the facts alive.
Some people say the biggest difference between the Army and Navy is one is land one is sea. That is not the case. The biggest difference is in fact the relationship between officers and enlisted.
In the Army a brand new officer learns from an E7 or a senior E6 platoon sergeant. They learn the officer side from the company commander but they learn how to lead a platoon in combat from the guy with 15 years of experience.
Then they move on to a company command position (O3) at some point after around 4 or so years where they are working closely with an E8.
There is still a stark difference in the officers and the enlisted but it's mitigated because of development happening from the outset.
Good butter bars listen to their platoon sergeants. Bad ones get shit on by their company and battalion commanders for not learning from their enlisted.
The difference is the idea that it's a leadership team with the officer having the final say, rather than it being a different class
In the Navy your class divide is seen by the fact officers have their own mess and are served by enlisted. It's pathetic tbh. Sailors are highly trained and highly educated. You're not just some illiterate man doing a bunch of menial labor tasks like rowing or managing the sail lines.
@@cin806 One only has to look at the absurd, just insane amount of accidents and incidents the U.S. Navy has had in the last few years or decade. The 7th Fleet especially. My lord the entire officer corp over there is corrupt and elite.
Well said!!!
This is unfortunately 100% true
I knew Jingles was in the Royal Navy, and I've heard bits and pieces of numerous stories of his time in the navy, but I didn't know he was in the last military operation that had active serving battleships. It's almost 100% certain he seen both Missouri and Wisconsin and also seen their beautiful display during Desert Storm.
Fun Fact:
During the Korean War, the USS Wisconsin came under fire from a North Korean 152mm battery and responded by firing a full broadside to silence the North Korean battery. On of the destroyers escorting the battleship responded in Morse code, "Temper, temper."
thanks for the fun fact
If I remember correctly, the North Korean battery did nothing more than dent the armor of a 5 inch gun and the Wisconsin responded with nearly 25,000lbs of high explosives, completely obliterating the battery. Gotta be one of the biggest over reactions ever.
@@testaklese biggest *under reactions 🤣
Yeah..."Find the biggest one and punch him really hard!" ..dosen't always work out real well.
@@sparklight5317 Well, it's that "Really Hard" part that is really hard.
A big thank you to our British allies. Well done lads.
Yup, bet a nice bottle of something was sent over the next day
You are always welcome ❤
@@Ocker3 Sure as shit hope so.
Since US ships are "supposed" to be dry, would be interesting to know just where a bottle would come from.
@@spikespa5208 It's just a British expression of thanks and tradition, like a father being given a cigar on the birth of a child, even if he doesn't smoke Spike's Pa.
All the hairs on my arm stood up when you said, "Paul Charlton", knowing who that was. Excellent collaboration.
That was my reaction too. “Wait a minute, is that Jingles?!” Pretty cool story.
Wait, isn't he the CEO of a salt mining company?
@@ferallion3546 u iui
Detection of threat, classified as a actual threat, targeted, engaged and destroyed the threat...all in 89 seconds, including fly-out time of the Sea Dart missile. Well done boys, God Save the Queen. That's being on your toes!
Cant say the same over the Moskva
Your trash Sea darts couldn’t stop the Argentine Airforce.
@@tetraxis3011 lol ok jesus
I was in turret 2 USS Missouri, I remember that day as it was yesterday.. Somethings last in your heart and mind forever. There was rumors of were the rounds landed from the USS Jarrett, but I can say we are blessed no one was hurt. A special thanks for sharing this it brought a new light into what I was experiencing.
My shipmate colleague was on Missouri when Jarrett opened fired on the chaff!!!
I never knew until we were docked in Pearl Harbor and decided to go to USS Missouri; and we got in for free because he was crew. He was explaining the holes inside the ship!! We were able to get inside in areas inaccessible at that time, because the museum volunteers got wind of my colleague’s presence and followed him around taking lots of notes of his time aboard the Missouri during the Gulf War.
I’m very happy to report that he’s still around, and he’s happily retired in the Philippines with his wife just living out his days near the beach. It was an honor working with you Rick, and we do miss you haha.
"living out his days near a beach"
What a nice epilogue, really wholesome
Coincidently, I’m the EW operator who fired the chaff and the IR decoys from the CIC of the Missouri.
@@yisunshin7245 I was in Turret 3 when you guys did that. Once GQ was cleared, I exited the turret only to hear "Secure from flooding!" That's when I learned of the Jarrett shooting us. One of the CIWS rounds pinged off Turret 3 as well, leaving a gouge. My understanding on the actual encounter with Gloucester was that the guys on the countermeasures console were hiding under the table when they heard "missile inbound, brace for shock" and the Gloucester shot the missile down.
This ship took a beating in more ways than one during the Gulf War. Oil in the boilers and sea chests, firing circuit damaged on Gun 3 in Turret 1 or 2, which I had to repair while the breach was open, friendly fire, etc....BEST ship that I ever served on.
@@Rhaumar rest assured, there was no one hiding anywhere. If you’ve ever been to the CIC, then you know there’s no place to hide or no tables even close the the EW station nor the harpoon or tomahawk stations.
One point of note though, EWC(SW) D. Look him up in the cruise book - you’ll know right who he is did panic and was calling for air support over the EW net while I was trying to call out to the other units concerning the radar attributes so they could identify the missile and kill it.
After all of the surface group mounts lit up their radars, it simply overwhelmed the SLQ-32 due to side lobes and reflective energy coming from bearings that confused the SLQ-32. We moved to manual mode and were listening to the radar from the missiles so we could determine if it had locked on or entered terminal flight mode. We needed to get the missiles radar attributes out to the other ships so they could get the bearing from which we were tracking the missiles in the event that there were also friendly aircraft coming over. That area was a safe return corridor for returning aircraft after bombing, ECM, and CAP missions.
I do agree…..the Missouri was the greatest ship that I’d served on as well. I loved her and was a member of the crew for nearly 5 years. You can find me in the OW Division of the cruise book. EW2(SW) D……..
I hope that you’ve had a great life after you left her shipmate.
@@yisunshin7245 you can find me in E division, EM3 Z
USS Jarrett: BRRRRRRRR
USS Missouri: Bro, there's NO FULL AUTO!
In the building
@@_crescentmoon_wt *battlegroup
DAYUM
thank you
OK
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Simple history
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@@zaviertamarapa4714 Nah, cant stand the cartoony stuff. This is clean cut.
#353.
HMS Gloucester extensively recorded the Silkworm engagement, including actual Ops Room footage. A VHS video was created which the ships captain was to present and narrate at a Commanders Conference at the America Naval Base (ASU SWA) in Bahrain. As a LT, I was just there to flesh out the badly-out numbered RN contingent! The start time came and went, and after 20 minutes the august gathering of Admiral's, Commodore's and numerous full Captain's was getting restless. Finally, the facilitator came out and announced that VHS tape was in a UK PAL format, but the conference room's video player only supported the US NTSC format! So moving on to the next item on the agenda ....
I knew Jingles was a Navy man, never thought I'd see him appear in a war doc though. Epic!
"Radio operator 2nd class Paul Charlton..."
nearly fell off my chair there
Me too!
Nearly choked on my lunch!
I remember hearing Jingles telling that story. Glad to see the story be animated and brought to life.
"our job was to put ourselves in the way". the bottom freaking line. gotta have Studs to do the hard jobs. and that includes Studettes. thanks to all of you.
Yep, callous as it sounds, the destroyers are there to protect the capital ships by whatever means necessary, up to and including acting as ablative armour.
That's heroism
@@DeliveryMcGee Yep. Practically every video on this channel involving naval warfare supports the conclusion that captaining a destroyer is a job for crazy people.
the number of frigate/destroyer escorts/destroyers(and a few cruisers) that should have sunk under the weight of their crews own balls is insane
that some of them managed to limp home after proving said weight is even scarier
The Falklands was Testomy of that. Ships forming a picket line taking hits to save Cruise ship and Any assets in Falkland Sound. Twas a sad day for the R.N. lost a buddy down there and another on Hermes had PTSD on return due to seeing injured from both sided and dealing with bodies of those killed. Then the worry of an Exocet attack.
We Will Remember them.
Ex RN Submariner.
This is extremely well done. Because of the overall success, both in success and swiftness, it has been far too easy for people to forget (or to understand) how large, how complex, and how dangerous Operation Desert Storm actually was. Your work here is essential to keeping the guides of reality and context of this conflict in place to prevent the historical record from becoming mythologized. Thanks for the good work.
The only serious danger to allied forces was friendly fire.
That’s a incredible story. After all this time mother Britain still looks after her wayward, most cocky and arrogant and wreckless child. Thanks mama, much love.
Very cool to hear the story of a sailor actually witnessing this event. I think a distance scale (as in a bar showing a km, mile etc. proportionate to scale) on the screen would be awesome, as distances especially at sea between ships are hard to perceive. Awesome video as always.
89 seconds.
Not km. The Mo is not a Canadian ship.
@@Frankie5Angels150 Since when is metric Canadian? Outside of Liberia, Myanmar, and the great ol' US of A, the other 7.4 billion people on Earth (95%) use metric.
@@Sky_Guy Leave him, he's just being a "muh freedum" moron.
The fact that that the US NAVY damaged more US ships then the Iraqis says a lot about this war…
And damaged more Abrams... and Bradley's.... basically the u.s millitary was going against Iraq and the u.s air force lmaooo
@@cjaystevens1828 We have met the enemy, and he is us.
@@michaelmichael4132 that’s the problem with being number one, you end up competing with yourself
@@cjaystevens1828 And a few Challengers too
@@cjaystevens1828 British: “Wait we are friendly!”
A-10: “Haha 30mm go brrrrrr”
89 seconds from detection to interception...that's some fine seamanship Gloucester!
The background music is very fitting to the topic at hand, and I hadn't noticed this until the engagement was over, but it succeeds extraordinarily well at keeping the tension palpable *without* being annoying or noticably present. It's just a very well thought out music pairing that throughly elevates your videos to a higher standard! Well done, thank you very much for these gloriously epic videos of yours! 👍😊
Missouri: *Deploys Chaff to throw off potential anti-ship missile*
Jarrett's Ciws: *OH BOY A MISSLE TO SHOOT DOWN*
CIWS sometimes has a mind of it's own and it isn't good. The first version saw movement on the bridge, tried to break it's firing arc locks to SHOOT the bridge of it's own ship. Yeah!
Jarrett's Ciws: I have no missile and I must *BRRT*
@@exexpat11lmao
Jingles need to be commended.
He went “All the way!”
I knew Jingles was in the Royal Navy, but I didn't know he was so close to some action in the Gulf. Thank you for you very detailed videos. Keep it up.
I was a young Royal Navy Radio Operator aboard RFA Argus. There were actually THREE Mirage aircraft, each armed with two Exocet. Two were splashed by a SINGLE Saudi F15 and the third escaped. I seem to recall Exocet was actually launched but didn't lock onto its target. Certainly a tense time. I remember shouting "Die you f@(£ers" when they were splashed, such was the sense of relief
The CIWS was not confused by the chaff and the reason why CWIS was not engaged is because the AN/SQL-32 was able to decoy the missile onto the chaff using a combination of RGPO and the missile being forced from Home on Jam (HOJ) to acquire mode and there by locking onto the chaff. Same technique used to defeat the Exocet export addition. The French uses dual 14G frequencies to prevent the HOJ to acquire switch we exploited which is immune to it.
As for the CIWS and Chaff issues. During 1992 deployment of the USS Antietam (CG-54) I was onboard as Electronic Warfare Technician and proved with NavSeaSys that the placement of the CIWS and SQL-32(V3) with active jamming or just having the SQL-32 in active mode but not jamming and launching chaff would cause the CIWS to open fire on the departing chaff round. CIWS never tracked or engaged the departing Chaff as long as there was no jamming. This was increased if we launched the rocket assisted chaff. Hence the movement of the SQL-32(v)3 aft on the Ticonderoga class cruisers 1993 and later
That was an interesting night. I was flying a Sea King and was vectored down the bearing line towards the incoming aircraft. My mission was ASMD... to launch a chaff cloud between the fighters and the battle group to spoof the Exocets. Before I could get there the USS Caron launched MK 36 Chaff Mortars into the bearing line in front of us and we flew right through the mortar explosions. Luckily the ice shields deflected the chaff so the engines did not ingest all that metal and flame out. I've always wanted to shake the hand of that Saudi F-15 pilot!
Still waiting for Mogadishu pt.2 I'm so excited for it.
Looks like im not the only one waiting
For real
Obviously I know what you mean its just weird to read something like this
Yeeeeep
Same
My dad was on his first deployment in the RFA on Argus during the gulf war. Can’t thank the guys on the Brazen enough for looking after them.
But the Saudi aircrafts are the one who saved them
Holy crap ive been a fan of The Mighty jingles for ten years and I’ve never known this. This crossover was mind blowing. Amazing work!!
The attack of the F-1's was quite a bit more exciting from my perspective. The F-1s were initially detected on takeoff, however it was not clear what they were. Not noted in the narrative here, their takeoff was timed concurrent with a flight of F-18's headed inbound to another target somewhere in Iraq. In addition to the F-1's, two Iraqi Mig-23's launched and joined them, escorting them to the coast, where they broke off to RTB. This caused confusion onboard the US AWACS as to the type, number, and IFF of the threat. The mention that they danced right down the line of division of responsibility is quite correct. At the time the F-1's initially cleared the coast and went feet wet, there was a two ship of F-14's on defensive Combat Air Patrol over the northern Gulf, reaching the east end of their orbit track. As REDCROWN, the Navy control has not received the message that the F-1's were not returning US strikers, and the AWACS was still classifying them as "unknown" because of the questions of type and number, the F-14's were not alerted, and many of us watched in astonishment as they casually turned back to the East, away from the F-1s. The actual target of the F-1's was never clear, but from the time they went feet wet, their RWR gear was likely screaming at them, as they were being lit up by USMC IHawk batteries on the Saudi Coast. who held fire, due mainly to the IFF confusion, not wanting to create a friendly fire incident. With the F-18s that had gone by earlier, and the F-14's obliviousy heading out of the area, the only thing left was a flight of 4 Saudi F-15's in the "Goalie CAP" position guarding the Saudi Capitol of Riyadh. When AWACS directed the Saudi flight into the fight, only two actually headed towards the threat. The joke afterwards was that the other two heard to voice of Allah direct them to fly elsewhere. As the 2 F-15's approached the coast, and the WEZ (weapons engagement zone), the F-1's did attempt to threat react - and were probably way too distracted to employ their Harpoons. They were locked up by so many shooters at that point that their RWR gear was probably screaming at them.I have seen 'official accounts' that when the lead Saudi was authorized to take they shot, he calmly pickled off the appropriate ordinance, and successfully engaged the targets. As I recall it happening in real time, he was given clearance to fire, acknowledged, and the next call I recall from him was "Winchester", indicating he was out of ammo (i.e. launched everything he had). Either way, two f-1's were splashed, with no launch attempts made before they were shot down.
Everybody got pretty lucky that day, except for the Iraqis, who were basically sent on a suicide mission.
The CIWS reactions are typical when panicked sailors put the Phalanx into Full AUTO Mode, it will target any radar return traveling towards the ship with extreme prejudice, including friendly chaff and even chaff from it's own ship! Proper protocol is to input gimble/arc sweep limits outboard towards the incoming threat vector or Semi AUTO Mode where the sailor has to confirm the target and grant the Phalanx permission to fire.
So AAW manual then. Phalanx primary mode is AAW Auto, to limit the human error of being slow. Agreed that firing sectors should be placed, however, blue on blue is a US favourite.
@@Dan-ru2pz Friendly fire is as old as war itself. No one is innocent.
@@benn454 older than the US itself. But if it were a sport, the US would be top of the table....
@@Dan-ru2pz Whatever you say, Nigel.
So cool that you had an actual eyewitness interview in this video. Splendid work as always!
I was the EW Operator on the Missouri who fired he chaff and IR decoys. It’s an accurate representation of events. With only a couple of details missing that provides even more context to the story…..
We were all traveling in a corridor that the minesweepers had just de-mined. We were at a very slow pace (just enough to maintain steerage) because we were both attacking targets and pretending to be an invasion force much larger than we were.
When the missiles launched, we recommended course and speed corrections and fired decoys. Because 2 of our escorts were maneuvering to defend the surface group, we couldn’t speed up. Due to being in such a narrow operating area (de-mining hadn’t been completed yet), we couldn’t fully turn to take maximum advantage of the chaff as a decoy.
In the second incident, the Jarrett Fire Control Technicians did not establish a no shoot zone for their CIWS system so that it wouldn’t shoot into the surface group.
Suddenly, a wild gnome overlord appears!
Yes!
HMS Gloucester would later be nicknamed “The Fighting G” for this and other actions in the First Gulf War - an homage to the previous HMS Gloucester, which had won 5 Battle Honours in less than a year during WWII
Just found this excellent video. I was on Gloucester when this happened. We were in defence watches at the time, 6 on, 6 off. I was a killick stoker (mechanic) at the time and i knew something was happening when they started the two olympus gas turbines as up to that point we had been going very slowly on one tyne engine. This was followed very quickly by two very loud roars as the missiles were fired and the action stations alarm sounded. I was told that the first sea dart hit the target and the second one hit the bits that were left.
I also remember the first incident in the video with the two jets coming inbound, Gloucester had picked them up on radar and was tracking them, we went to action stations and i remember being quite concerned as we knew they had exocet which i believe had a much longer range than our sea dart so in theory they could have fired them off and turned around before we could fire back. Very relieved when they were shot down as they got close.
I knew Paul served on a RN ship in the Gulf War, but I had no idea he witnessed such an important moment like that. I certainly didn't expect the name drop in this video.
Imagine using the entirety of your armed forces against a portion of your enemy and the best you can manage is to slightly inconvenience them, I remember jingles sharing this story years ago on a mingles with jingles but only now do I realise the sheer hopelessness of trying to fight the coalition with 2nd rate equipment and a 3rd rate army.
I hope Americans at least once would experience it on their own. US army have never fought the same level enemy as them, even germans where totally outnumbered in Europe
@@TheCossack1552 Why should they? There is no fairness in war, the smartest thing to do is to always be at a higher level then your enemy. You minimize casualties and maximize results.
They weren't even trying in those 2 conflict.
@xirsamohtx Vietnam yes. But Afghanistan is different. For one, the US never managed to conquer Vietnam. They did in fact, conquer Afghanistan. The problem with Afghanistan was holding it
@xirsamohtx casualty wise the US definitely lost less than the enemies in both of those examples. I don't think anyone knew what the goal was though lol
I knew jingles served on a ship but never knew he had a story as cool as this
that he overheard a conversation in a room? i mean its cool but is it that cool?
@@john9040 ruclips.net/user/shortsBmc9NFfhx74?feature=share
Missouri: sends out chaff pods
Jarrett: Finally! Something to shoot! BRRRRRRRRR
Jarrett: so anyway i started blasting
@@JoshuaC923 It's all fun and games until you get a couple 16"/50 shells flying your way.
@@DickCheneyXX Or just chase the Jarrett around for an hour. Mo had speed and firepower on the pip-squeak.
@JZ's Best Friend aiming for the chaff, not the ship.
CIWS is not designed to be safe. It's designed to be effective and automatic.
It's probably had more friendly fire incidents than actual missile shootdowns, but that's more because people aren't in the habit of firing missiles at warships these days.
You have quickly become my favorite channel on RUclips. The historical information you provide along with the visuals are absolutely fantastic. Thank you!
So very cool to hear the British guy giving the account of the operation. When I hear the beautiful British names for there war ships it practically brings tears to my eye`s. These illustrious names represent the pinnacle of over five hundred years of Britain`s great navy. Thank you from your prodigal sons the USA.
We've had some fantastic names like HMS conquerer, HMS illustrious and HMS Dreadnought.
We've also had some questionable ones like HMS Beaver and HMS Cockchafer.
@@Oli-Johnson Thank you, yes some less inspiring names but the Beaver is named after a very good Admiral I think ? I know when I heard the name mentioned and I made a mental note of it being an unusual name and said unusual name that achieved some valent efforts. And because of what they did achieve completely warrents the good name of the name beaver. We can definately assume they used and abused that prodigious name in a unknowing ignorence of the sailors, Foremast Jacks! Kevin from sunny Mexico.
@@Oli-Johnson Dont forget HMS Fish and chips and HMS cor blimey Guvnor
Granddad was filming the event the day the Japanese surrendered aboard the Missouri.
Although an aviator, he had been in reconnaissance throughout the theater and had all the cameras!
He survived WWI and WWII retired in 55
Missouri: Disperse chaff
CIWS: .. and I took it personnaly.
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I’m picturing the CIWS like one of those times R2D2 goes apeshit in Star Wars: “RRRrrreeEEEEee!!!!”
@@infidel1993 I mean, US sailors DO call them "Angry R2D2s" for a reason...
CIWS: Hang on, I got this... 😂
@@BewareofTarps Wait...they do that?
If you are interested in more Navy stories I suggest you have a look at Sub Briefs submarine operations during the Cold War. I think it will give you a opportunity to do your first submarine animation.
I just want to say you are my absolute favorite channel for war history with the specifics you go into with these specific battles or days of incidents/operations (like Desert Storm). Especially with your videos on naval combat. I would love to see some videos involving naval combat from you (especially of WW2 battles, even if the naval combat side is just bombarding shores or supporting ground troops on the island hopping campaign of the pacific). I’d find even more interesting a video of the civil war battle Monitor vs. Merrimack battle (the first battle of ironclad ships, leading to the modern metal ship design era). Keep up the amazing work!!!
They feared those huge 16" guns on the Mighty Mo. They could be sitting out in the middle of the desert far from anywhere and shit would just fall out of the sky at any time. Those 9-16" guns could fire a 2,700 Lb shell at a target over 20 miles away. (Accuracy even included allowing for the rotation of the Earth.)
And allowing for wind, temperature, humidity, air density etc. With drone spotting, ranging shots weren't always needed. Surprise!
Still a strategically viable weapons system. Over half the world's population of nearly any given country lives within range of those guns.
If you look into Project HARP, they used the Mk7 gun to send saboted projectiles into space. Forget railguns, a 100 caliber 16" gun with modern superalloyed barrels and chemical propellants can deliver intercontinental bombardment.
Imagine serving up a fire mission from the middle of the pacific into the persian gulf with the equivalent of a 155mm round.
they used the WW2 firing computer I believe all the way to retirement too, radar got upgraded but I don't think they ever swapped out the mechanical gunnery computer. If it aint broke and still shoots straight. I wouldnt be shocked if it got more accurate over time as radar improved able to feed it more accurate target range and speed.
although 20 miles range is short in modern warfare.
Wow excellent as always!!!
As with others am anxiously awaiting the second Mogadishu chapter!
Gotta love a good battleship especially the USS Missouri
3x older than 90% of people working on her and the enemies she's leveling haha.
Too bad they became obsolete. Imagine if they really were as powerful as people thought back in the early 1900s. Maybe we'd have battleships that could accurately shoot salvos from the other side of the world like ICBMs lol
@@Mega-P71 so what you're saying... pull a USS Texas?
@@Mega-P71 Cruise missiles are nuclear capable. The Iowa class ships had cruise missiles on board. That made them the most powerful ships in the fleet at that time. Yes they were very old. However, those battleships were made to take hits from 2 to 3000 pound shells. I'm very certain the Missouri would've took one or two exocet missile hits like a champ.
@@black10872 Trust me I know they're still powerful especially for bombarding coastlines but they are impractical for what they were designed for. Pretty much food for submarines and missiles
Well done production on an often overlooked aspect of the Gulf War, I both enjoyed it and learned something. Shout out to The Mighty Jingles!
Very fine details. 11:14 Hopefully the alert sailor received some recognition for taking the initiative.
I absolutely adore your modern conflict analysis, I need more of them.
I mean, sure the WW2 ones are really good as well, but as the child of someone who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom, I've always been obsessed with modern military conflicts, so your videos about them are greatly appreciated.
I was thinking "HMS Brazen... That's where Jingles was, right?". Great video!
Cheers to Jingles. Never thought this bit would've surfaced on this channel
My best friend at school was a chap called Andrew Wilcocks who was the son of the then Commander Philip Wilcocks on HMS Gloucester. On the ship’s return from the Gulf they were granted a family and friends open day (apologies for the terminology) and sail out round the Isle of Wight. I ended up at the helm for about 20 minutes whilst the ship navigated the island very closely supervised by the Coxwain. Best day of my life.
Gave a "Thumbs Up" for hearing The Mighty Jingles' voice alone. I was in Riyadh just west of the main ARAMCO oil refinery serving in a Charlie Battery 3rd Battalion, 43 Air Defense Artillery Regiment (11th ADA Brigade) (See "A Report from Charlie Battery" posted in Popular Mechanics Magazine MAR 1991) a Patriot Missile Battery out of Fort Bliss, Texas. We were breathing the smoke plume from from the burning oil wells from Iraq and Kuwait that was blowing South and some what Westerly at the time. Still having breathing and health issues to date.
Thank you, HMS Gloucester! Born and raised in Missouri - just an old battleship but she's kinda special to us.
Cheers mates to our cousins across the pond 🇬🇧!!! From Milwaukee Wisconsin 🇺🇸🍺!
The tension must've been something knowing those Mirages were coming before being suddenly taken out by the Saudi F-15s. The eagles swooped for the scorpions.
Sort of a "cavalry to the rescue, just in the nick of time" moment.
@@VosperCDN Must be hilarious if LOTR's Helm's Deep moment edited into the video
Thank you for protecting our Battleship Britain!
I had the pleasure of listening to Captain Lee Kaise , commanding officer of the Missouri, describe these events to me. The facts were consistent but Lee made it much more interesting.
It's so cool that you either managed to find and come into contact with Paul or that you two already knew (of) each other! Very nice video going into some lesser known details of the Gulf War!
USS Jarrett: "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrttttt....."
USS Missouri: "WTF, bro?!?!?"
Imagine standing on the bridge of Big Mo and a watching that waterhose of tracers spraying your boat down...I'd be pissed.
@@joshuamitcham1519 , agreed. Even for USN personnel that'd be considered rude...bordering on a party foul!
@@joshuamitcham1519 When we took the hits, secondary battery saw the flashes and requested permission to fire. The CO knew the tactical situation well enough to know it had to be Jarrett, otherwise things might have turned out differently. Even 30 seconds of fire from six 5"/38s equates to 45 projectiles, and with radar directed fire at two miles, she would have gone down.
@@wesleyworley8982 I'm surprised your CO didn't message:
"Nice try bitchez, we measure our bores in inches, not millimeters!"
Appreciate you having Jingles along. Cheers.
First I've heard of these engagements...just goes to show that the two arguably, best naval forces on Earth, the US Navy and Royal Navy, were squared away and did what they do...in just a few minutes. This is totally my opinion and not a slight toward any other forces that made up the Coalition. One could argue that keeping such a wide array of forces in order, and doing what was intended for the duration of Desert Shield, and Desert Storm, was a top-notch effort by the military leadership of every country involved. And also, one of the best efforts ever put forth in the history of warfare. A fine example of ass-kickery.
No matter how people spin it, even though the US had no right to invade iraq, the war was an overall net positive. A slim net positive.
Saddam was a fucking degenerate, and needed to be put down.
Dude used WMD's against his own civillians, and had too much of an ego to announce his Nuclear program to be shutting down after US sanctions.
Dude did everything he could to get the US to falseley attack Iraq. Its honestly sad, because Iraq genuinely did have WMD's, but were shut down afterwards, to which that info didnt reach Bush for some reason.
Now I understand why Jingles is so called, "Mighty." Very Cool.
One thing I feel very privileged to have achieved was to have done ships tours of both the HMS Gloucester in 1997 and USS Missouri in 2004.
Did you ever meet GM1 Wes Hancock on the Mo?
I never thought The Mighty Jingles once served part of the Royal Navy. I remembered that I used to watch his World of Warships gameplay.
He used to have a lot of his stories on older Mingles with Jingles, though I don't recall much he detailed about the Persian Gulf War
Never knew Mighty Jingles was navy
He has mentioned it quite a few times especially recently in his Microsoft Flight Sim Videos
Never thought the Rear Adrmiral Jingles who frequently refers to all kind of navy shenanigans... yeah. Impossible to know that, surely :-)
@@tbwsarge1707 he mentions it many many times
Yep, Royal Navy; specialisation:- Skimmer Puke!!
Awesome content again!
Stormin Norman was old school,he knew how to conduct war with extreme prejudice.
That's leadership.
I was serving aboard the Mo at that time. I remember this day very well. "Missile inbound all hands brace for impact!!!" Also quite surprised to hear about The Mighty Jingles.
Interesting story. We helped destroy silkworm and Exocet missiles in southern iraq after the ground war. They were daisy chained on a beach and blown up. I never knew any were fired. We also discovered an ADA site north of Kuwait City with massive craters which imploded former Kuwaiti bunkers which housed Iraqis. I guessed 16inch craters. At gulf war parade I encountered Missouri officers and asked if they fired on a complex like that and they confirmed it. I’m grateful no ships were hit!
While Jingles was out in the Gulf almost getting shot at, I was standing watch on a berthing barge while my ship got a bunch of rusty pipes cut out and replaced after a fairly uneventful 6 month west pac deployment.
Iraqi Missles: We will sink the USS Missouri!
USS Missouri: Are the you the Yamato? No? Then get out of my sight, you worms.
@Advait Kolhatkar Yamato will take down in 1vs1 every battleship she faces. Best armor and best gun from ww2.
@@Malossianoplus
Still sank like a little bitch to carrier based propellor aircraft dropping unguided bombs on it
@@Kakarot64. most if not all ships of that era would have met the same fate when you send several carrier groups of bombers after 1 underequipped surface taskforce.
@@Malossianoplus Actually there have been many computer simulations done of a Iowa class versus Yamato class, and the Iowa always wins. The advantages of speed, maneuverability, and better fire control allows the Iowas to control the range, and gives them a longer effective range than the Yamatos. Postwar testing of guns, ammunition, and armor also demonstrated that at any given range the Iowas had equal to superior penetration due to the quality of the steel. The Yamatos were big, but the Iowas were the pinnacle of Battleship development.
I don't know if the missiles would've been able to do more than give it a bloody nose. Modern anti-ship missiles aren't designed to penetrate battleship armour because nobody makes ships like that anymore.
loved the whole history but it floored me when you suddenly mentioned The Mighty Jingles.
USS STARK (FFG-31), an O.H.Perry Class frigate (our smallest blue-water combatant) was struck by two Exocet missiles, both port side, while sailing in the Persian Gulf. She was heavily damaged, but was repaired and sailed again. That’s a finely-made little ship. 🇺🇸⚓️
Us ships are well made. And they survive s lot where your like .. how .. uss laffey was hit by multiple bombs and kamakazies kn ww2 and ... is now a museum ship
Excellent collaboration, fan of both channels. Never knew that about the Mr. Jingles. Awesome bit of history.
As HMS Brazen entered the video and put herself between the threat and Argus, I thought to myself: wait a minute, this sounds familiar... I remembered Jingles talking about this once, so cool to have him contribute to this video personally!
I knew Jingles was a radio operator. But didn't know he was involved with the invasion of Iraq. Awesome!
Amazing performance by Sea Dart, considering it was designed for high level interception and never really as an anti-missile system.
Good point 👍
Even better considering that this was the first Missile on missile engagement.
Surprising and impressive considering its mixed performance in the Falklands
Thank you for this fascinating and informative video. The narration was concise and informative, without too much techno-babble and matched the simple yet elegant graphics perfectly.
For anyone who was unaware, it was on the Missouri that the U.S. received the formal surrender of the Japanese marking the end of W.W. 2.
To keep the Jingles theme going.. "Actually Operations Room, I do not believe that an Exocet 'sunk' a USN ship. 😁" And I look forward viewing each of your videos. 👍
Disclaimer: That was mostly sarcasm, if you fallow Jingles he gets post that start, "Actually Jingles..." and has been a point of comedy on this channel.
I said sunk and damaged Royal Navy and US navy warships respectively :(
@@TheOperationsRoom I know, it was a Jingles thing.