Yamaha Montage vs. MODX - Sound Comparison (Pianos)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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Comparing the piano sounds in the Montage to the sounds in the MODX to see if the same exact patches/performances sound the same in both synths.
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My ears slightly prefer the Montage. My wallet greatly prefers the MoDX.
I feel you!
Kevin K 😂😂😭 I was thinking the same thing
Only for the price
@@SoundsAndGear does modx come with all MOXF8?, thank you in advance
@@arifmuhammad434 I think so but not sure
Great video ! :) Montage sound fuller and dynamic of fsx is better BUT when you have drummer and guitarist with big 100w marshal amp behind you .. you will not hear the difference :) modx is great for live gigs !
Thanks for watching and I agree with everything you said! MODX is a great deal for sure!
Both have exactly the same Sound Engine...where do you hear a difference😂😂😂
@@l.knaturfilm9878 et home on monitors there is no big difference but live.. modx is soo thin Then i tried montage.. much better output and much better eq ..
Well for what it’s worth I use them in live and studio performance. A montage 7 vs my own junior version. There’s not a discernible enough difference to matter at all. For the PP and role I use it for (non-primary) the money saved is best invested elsewhere. Weight is a key consideration on a satellite.
At the time of my post, I'm about 5:30 into the video. I cannot tell that much difference between the two to spend the huge gap in cost for the Montage. I had a Motif ES7 prior to my house fire earlier this year and my entire studio was destroyed. So I've been replacing gear over the last few months and one thing in particular I was looking at was getting a Montage since the Motif was no longer available. But honestly after viewing this video, I think I'm going with a MODX-7. Now I would prefer balanced outs but it's not the crucial for me. As usual, thanks for a REAL LIFE look at these keyboards. You were THOROUGH enough for me!!!
Thanks for watching fam, glad to help, just trying to share the info in the same way I would test by myself (and did lol)
u right man - a slight difference isnt a reason to pay in 3 times more for Montage.
For me as a gigging musician the weight factor is much more important than elusive sound difference which anyway will be lost in most of live sound setups.
yep, that's why they made it
I agree, with a band the audience will never hear the difference between these two. If you play just for personal enjoyment and/or recording, you want the best sound possible, regardless of price.
I closed my eyes and turned away from the screen and only used my ears. I could not tell the difference.
Nice! Thanks for watching.
David Robinson I love your comment so much man...
@@northnyanga7532 Thanks for watching!
Good job on the comparison bro...I feel they are close enough to each other. I’m definitely getting a MODX6...and I’ll run it through some analog outboard to get some extra drive / depth that the PAC might be adding to the Montage. Overall I think the MODX sounds great and almost the same as the Montage. Sometimes it’s hard to tell them apart. Keep up the good work!
I totally agree, with the difference in price you can even get a dedicated outboard unit, as long as someone is ok with the keyed I think they will be fine. I prefer the feel of the keyboard on the Montage personally but it is hard to front on what you get in the MODX package.
i have same idea, to get a MODX and just use a great saturation plugin that can even saturate the sounds richer than in Montage, i think it's the idea :)
Nice!
Yeah it will definitely work. Anything with a quality drive / amp stage will add something positive to the final output of the MODX! Outboard gear with transformers and tubes will sound great no doubt.
that is the way :)
I appreciate your taking the time.
Thanks for watching!
I frequency analyzed your performance with high end Sony headphones and a meter and the difference is so miniscule there really is no difference that the ear can decipher. Maybe the slight difference is that the Montage has after-touch were as the MODX has standard touch when physically hammering the keys. The performance sound play is internal and identical. Fuji apple or mcintosh apple? Thanks great demo!
Thanks for watching, difference is very small, probably more due to the keybed response/interaction than anything.
guys, for all who look for the difference between this synth's..got it from Yamaha's
"MONTAGE features professional balanced outputs with "Pure Analog Circuit" (PAC). PAC improves the quality of signal after being converted to analog from digital for clear harmonic reproduction and even frequency response. The result is an output capable of reproducing MONTAGE's internal content expressively with power and clarity."
so it means pretty much i think to louder the price...reason = max quality of the sound. So if you important in it, then Montage your way, if no or havnt a possibility to get Montage, go for MODX and use some saturation fx's from a top software to get a same or maybe more rich harmonics.
also some more from their forum:
"Yamaha's PAC is more accurate: It doesn't turn down the treble or use a graphic equalizer. The slight jaggedness of the initial conversion (from digital stream to analog waveform) is massaged by their output stage to interpolate any unwanted/unintentional micro splinters of the wave to a smooth wave surface, without simply filtering out signals higher than, say, 5 kHz. So you still retain high frequencies, but without unintended harshness."
so need to add 2k finally) lol
Yeah, I mentioned it in the video, definitely one of the differences between them
Thanks for the comparison. Helps so much bruh.
Thanks for watching!
I decided on my MODX8 over the Montage, because they sound the same, cost much less and weighs much less. I am mostly going to use it for piano sounds and along with it, my Roland VR-09 Combo organ.
Nice! Enjoy!
How about the keybed? Are you like it? It's good for playing piano....? Thanks
The difference I hear is in the "ambiance" or sound fx (like reverb). The Montage sounds a bit cleaner and more realistic. I almost want to say that (strictly in comparison) the MODX has some digital artifacting present.
This seems to be most noticeable as the sound decays / at the tail length of the sound. As others have mentioned this may be due to the quality of DA converters, or some other DSP signal processing component(s).
It's got 8 LFO's, 3 Noise Gates, 4 MIDI outputs, 76 Trombones, and a Toaster.
I'd buy any of them.
Yeah, I know what you mean, you can definitely hear a more "live" or "present" feel to some of the sounds in the tail and overall space reproduced.
LOL, I hear ya!
Thanks for this. Check out the CK series. I have a CK-61 and a Modx6 plus here, the CK samples sound much cleaner, and clearer. The ModX sounds muddy, and bassy by comparison. The ModX has more effects on the stock piano sounds.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for taking the time to level match, so important. Many thanks.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for this video. I really think the Montage is great for studio and the eight sliders make it great for stage. My MODX 8 only has four sliders. Playing live, and having multiple songs, I don't want to push part, and then select or push this and then that. I just want to fade in organ or fade out sax or fade in, etc. The MODX 8 has enough space for me to put a Roland JD-Xi on the right side of the keyboard, (elevated slightly). Also, playing outdoors, I've come across heavy condensation. It jeopardizes my MODX, but if a short happens it would be better on a 2k instrument than a 4k instrument. I also have a Yamaha PSR E463, a student grade keyboard for under $500 that eyes closed, same room, same speakers, sounds like the MODX. To clarify, only certain aspects, like the drums and some of the strings and pads use, if not the same engine, one you can't hear a difference in. I agree with you that having a visual reference help discern the audio signal peaks, strengths and whatnot, but the bottom line is how does it sound.
Thanks for watching!
Montage is clearly a higher fidelity output (as expected at twice as much!). Putting aside the lesser quality keybed of the MODX6/7/8, it'll be simply the DAC's soldered in as mentioned by Yamaha - like with all the pro features of the Montage ... you get what you pay for, right? I've got the MODX6 but use my GEM S3 Turbo 76-key as master (has Poly AT which the MODX range responds too, though not S3's release velocity :/ ). So effectively, I've bought an expensive 'desktop' synth/controller!! :)
Nice! Yeah, there are definitely ways around the keybed, etc. MODX is definitely powerful for what it is.
the audio eng ....facts that’s the best way to capture high quality tones from your keyboard
Well, as with most lower-end synth models they offer the most of the character of the flagship and at stage volume 'who cares'. As long as it resembles its bigger brother it won't drive you crazy and there's so many instruments happening in a full band situation most people just won't care about the difference.
That will definitely be the way many people look at it, MODX is a great board!
I think in the studio, recording audio clips, the difference is negligible, but if you are playing on stage or you play very complex recordings live you may want the Montage. Other than that, polyphony would only become an issue if a person tried to midi up 8 channels and play them all back at the same time. I'd just record audio clips into a DAW. And I don't really play the keys, I would just be sending midi into the board like a sound module. (side note: check the master EQ on both boards)
Yeah I hear ya, I've used both in the studio simply recording audio and both get the job done. I do like actually playing on the Montage more, and in isolation you can hear a slight difference on some sounds, but in the mix with other sounds and audio it's not a huge deal at all. I haven't even come close to hitting the polyphony limit, I don't play that many notes at once, I guess if I was sequencing it or had a super stacked sound it could be possible but for the most users the engines are the same.
Great comparison! Just a few thoughts regarding the missing velocity layer. Is it possible that you are just (involuntarily) putting more weight into your strokes on the Montage, because for the MODX you have to reach up? Are the velocity curves set to the same value (normal, soft, ...) on both units? Over the years, I often had problems reaching velocity values over 100 with Yamaha keyboards, when triggering external gear.
Thanks for watching. The keybeds are different and respond differently, I'm not playing any differently on them.The response can be adjusted or it can be played from a different keyboard but that does add to the difference in response overall.
@@SoundsAndGear Thank you, that is very helpful.
I'm switching from Modx6 to Montage 7 because its very hard to play things, especially pianos and Electric Pianos, with any kind of dynamic control on the MODX 6/7 keybeds. Even after changing the velocity settings. If you're more of a synth player it probably won't bother you so much but if the pianos and EPs are important it's more of a serious consideration and I'd say go with a MODX8 or Montage.
@@collinpople1076 Bought a MODX8. Playing piano on it is decent. Had also a Motif XF6 and a MOXF6. The Motif keybed was very good, even piano parts were doable.
The Yamaha Montage is $3,000 so I’m considering just getting either the Yamaha MODX8 or the Roland FA08.
Nice, can't go wrong with either in my opinion
cool vid bro. I am getting Montage 8 delivered tommorow! sadly will only able to play it from wednsday or so onwards, cause I am still waiting for my desk and stand to arrive haha. Can't wait, and the hype is real!!! This is a dream keyboard
Nice man, have fun!
Thanks for the vid brother! The montage has more presence. Sounds more pronounced and upfront. As a standalone instrument with vocals the montage will hit the spot. Though in a mix with other instruments you wouldn't notice the difference between the two. The montage would probably cut through the mix a bit better but other than that... both sound fantastic!
Thanks for watching, yes, both sound great!
But isn't the modx8 kb supposed to be a bit closer to the montage than the smaller versions?
It's weighted if that's what you mean, I haven't used the 88 key version of either one.
@@SoundsAndGear yes, I've heard the modx8 is actually more weighted than the 6,7 etc. But I haven't personally tried them.
@@stellijer Yeah, it's fully weighted, the 6 and 7 are not.
Keybed is for player use / preference. You shouldn't be viewing them on spec like that. Since the application is not the same.
@@ErraticFaith I'm not sure what you mean "viewing them on spec," but my attempt is to get opinions from serious piano players, which keyboards they enjoy playing the most, from the perspective of the feel and response of the keys themselves. In other words, which ones feel and perform most like a real grand piano.
Sound very similar except the Montage has got some more grunt and depth.
Thanks for watching, I agree, but for many this is a really good buy.
Only bcoz of the price
Thank you . There are not many videos about how to get Cubase to play the montage from the piano roll .I listened through presonus studio monitors .Could hear some subtle difference .
Thanks for watching
Bigger difference than I thought there would be, I guess output quality plays a bigger role than I wanted to admit.
I think the keybed dynamics play a big part also
@@SoundsAndGear Yeah, I think you're right about that.
Thanks for the upload !
Thanks for watching.
Montage sounds are more real than MODX. The aftertouch is too good on the Montage as well of the guitar sounds. Now if you travel a lot, its better the MODX because of the weight. I have the Montage 7 for home and I'm planning on getting a MODX6 for church.
Nice! Thanks for watching!
They sound the same to me unless you are nitpicking. Not worth twice the price unless you must have dual analog outputs. The MoDX is a winner to me.
They are very close for sure, if you're looking for the sounds/engines in smaller and lighter package I think the MODX will work for a lot of people.
@@SoundsAndGear They both have the same sound engine and the same exact sounds.
@@BluesCat1980 There are other differences between them that impact the sound. The point of these videos to to show how close they are.
Would've liked to have seen weighted keybeds in both boards. Makes a difference.
Cool, thanks for watching.
Key bed makes the difference especially pointing out samples
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this vid bro nice set up btw
@@str8upme2 Thanks!
They do sound different now that you point it out. It's like the sample layers are less on the modx . Maybe it was done purposely to set them apart. Maybe it's inferior ssd / ram in the modx . Some people complain the modx cuts out during demo playback.
Yeah there's a slight difference. I think it's a combination of the PAC and keybed. However, I haven't had any issue with drop outs when using the demo/audition feature.
Thank you for the comparison! I'm going to save my pennies and get the Montage. The better sound quality and keyboard are worth waiting for me.
Thanks for watching! They actual keybed definitely feels better imo.
I waited and searched for a used Montage 6. I just missed the sale of one 😩 then I lucked out and won the sale of a used Montage 7! Such a great deal vs a new Modx8
They sound identical to me. If there is a difference, it's very subtle.
Yeah it's a slight difference, more distinguishable in some sounds than it is in others, some sounds you can't even tell at all.
Yes, thanks a lot :)
thanks for watching
thats right, but bad that for this a little difference Yamaha want to get in 3 times more cash.
Yeah, however, the sound isn't the only difference. Build quality, controls, polyphony, audio options, etc. But they always do this, a more portable "budge" version of the flagship. It's cool there are options, this didn't use to be the case. It used to be you either got a Motif, or not. Then the started the scaled back versions for different budgets and gigging. I think it's a good option for the right person.
simultaneous effect number
MODX : 27
montage : 34
natural analog circuit
MODX : X
montage : O
polyphony
MODX : 128 stereo AWM2 + 64 FM-X
montage : 128 stereo AWM2 + 128 FM-X
performances
MODX : approx. 2,000
montage : approx. 2,700
assignable outputs
MODX : X
montage : O
aftertouch
MODX : X
montage : O
DAW remote control
MODX : X
montage : O
USB audio in/out
MODX : 2 returns/10 sends
montage : 6 returns/32 sends
Yep, depends on what is important to the user. Aftertouch is a huge one for some people, others may not care. Remote control may matter to some people where others never use it. I think they did a good job providing a lower tier model with the same type of synth engines and features while not totally gutting the Montage of it's value.
@@SoundsAndGear Yes. In addition, modx seems to be more optimized for live performance, and in terms of cost and weight, but sound quality is similar to montage, which is a powerful advantage.
On the other hand, the control function of multi-part tone, especially the modx or montage, and the problem of managing multi-part tone MIDI channel in DAW is a very serious issue.
- from KOREA (I'm poor at english lol) -
Yeah MODX is definitely aimed at live/gigging usage with it's size and weight.
I feel and kinda hear a very slight difference in Audio between the both. I believe the Montage sounds slightly better because it has more polyphony compare to the MODX!
Same engine, same sound for me.
There's definitely a slight difference, it is more noticeable in some patches than others. I don't know that it specifically has to do with polyphony though as you can see I am not someone that plays a bunch of notes at once hahahaha. It's just a matter of is the slight difference enough for someone to pick the Montage over the MODX?
Polyphony has nothing to do with sound quality..
@@helsinkioslo836 correct
@@SoundsAndGear The MODX doesn't have aftertouch. Also Montage uses 24 bit samples. MODX uses 16 bit 44khz samples. Possibly those things could affect the sound slightly.
Thank you fam!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for. Watched this video and my questions were answered. I was at guitar center an hour later. Got the 7
Nice, thanks for watching!
Modx sounds good!
Yes, it does!
@@SoundsAndGear But Montage sounds better!!!
I agree!
@@SoundsAndGear I have MOTIF XF and MOXF and the distance between them is shorter....
Cool! Yeah I had the Moxf for a while too.
Montage just sounds warmer to me and more true to the sound you choose if that makes sense.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks cuz! Very helpful 😀
Thanks for watching!
Sorry but I see that you stopped the Audition not the same time, so when you test the sound, the position of the Super Knob are not the same, so that the sound of course different. But the video is very good, thanks anyway!
Thanks for watching.
Montage in this mix is louder. Because of this it's little bit not correct compatible. But anyway sound of montage is richer.
I already addressed this, it's not just volume, but thanks for watching!
Thank you for this. I have the dilemma that they do have different costs but ultimately, they don't break too quickly so it makes sense for me to save up for the cost difference and get the Montage as it will he further enhanced by my hardware and after touch is a great added tool for creative and natural play. It is all inspirational so I will enjoy playing and creating. The Montage 6 vs modx8 for me so.. montage it is....
I hear ya! Wonderful instrument indeed!
They sound too identical that you can barely tell a difference if there is any. Montage on a couple presents sound like it has a bit more reverb or is ssssslightly richer in sound. But if you have those sounds going in a mix your not going to tell the difference. With the Price, you can't go wrong with the MODX.
Thanks for checking, it's close for sure, really depends on what you're looking for and how you plan to use it.
I think becouse the modx does not have after touch and that might b making the little difference , id probably get the modx for the price difference
Yeah, I'm wondering how much the keyboard dynamics play a part. I noticed a slight difference when I first played it, and once I put them side by side you can hear it for sure. I don't know if it is all down to the keybed though some articulations seem to be missing when playing the MODX keybed vs the Montage.
This is a very important to watch before spending money on these keyboards.
Thanks for watching!
They obviously sound different but I dont know if its because of settings...
thanks for watching
The montage of course is more warmer in certain areas! I’m a board player, but I have the montage but I’m going to get a MODX8 for travel! The only difference is the build and weight!
Nice! Good move, MODX definitely much lighter!
he Montage and the MODX have same exact sound engine in them.
Yep, but the hardware is different. Different keyboards, output circuitry. There's also differences with fx, polyphony, etc. People are very interested to see if those differences are easily noticeable between the two in terms of sound, in relation to the price difference between them. MODX is a winner for a lot of people.
the different between the plastic vs metal☺️
Hahahaha
У Montage просто есть "Чувствительность к Дожатию", вот и динамика клавиш чувствуется больше. Вот теперь интересно сравнить клавиши у P515 и Montage
Thanks for watching
think it is not a matter of "which sounds better" but which one do you like more, there is not better, but something you like more... both sound perfect :)
yep
I have used cheap apple headphones to listen to this video. But even so I can tell the difference. I like very much my MODX6 and it sounds great for me. I only have been noticed that is almost imposible to reach velocity from 125 to 127. I figured it out by programming a piano library for MONTAGE / MODX. This little velocity issue it makes MODX sound weaker than the MONTAGE in this video, IMHO. Because it seems that at high velocity is where pianos and some synths open up a lot, and have greater depth and strength.
Thanks for watching
Definitely a difference. I have the modx6 and hated it after feeling the keys. Did not sound like the modx8 which I played at the store. Has to be something with the keybed because after playing the modx6 through my kawai mp7 via midi it sounded like I wanted to hear it. The heavy keys help and I imagine the keybed on the montage is much better.
Yeah, I wonder how it sounds via MIDI and if some of those dynamics show up better. Thanks for watching!
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Leaning heavy on buying a used modx.. Tired of the latency problems in my Ableton rig when using synth plugins.. Modx seems the the most realistic sounds ive heard in the newest workstation..(again I would just be using it as a sound module).
What's ur thoughts on the acoustic audio packs? I'm hopingbwithese packs I can add more realistic Rhodes/ep sounds etc.. Curious in ur take
Yeah I feel you! I'm a huge fan of the workstation, just straight forward and no fuss. I'm not sure what packs you're referring to?
Been looking at there stuff all morning , apparently they collared with austicaudio for the montage and modx
@@DDaniels3000 Do you mean Acousticsamples?
@@SoundsAndGear my bad , I’m horrible with the typos.. but yea that’s the company.. curious if they are good ext
@@DDaniels3000 Yeah, I've used them for years, they have some dope libraries.
Same engine, different output stages (converters and circuit topology, components, power supply for output stage) - just like 2 different soundcards or mic preamps (the cheaper is less 3D and less deep, less warm). I suspect the Montage upsamples (SRC) the audio data before output (and therefore accepts rates up to 192kHz while the MODX does not). Could be the FM engine works internally at a higher sampling rate then the outputs of the MODX supports and is not correctly filtered before the output stage (as you can hear aliasing in some other comparison video Montage vs MODX at min 1.30 - FM high register).
Thanks for watching!
I’m drooling over le Montage. I’m into digital synths
Cool, thanks for watching!
If there was a montage label was over the top keyboard they would sound identical. Take the sticker off they would sound different
Definitely close enough for most. I can hear slight differences in person, only with certain sounds, nothing huge if you're just looking for that sound engine. I prefer the actual build of the Montage personally, but I wouldn't be mad if I had the MODX, it's great!
Hi guyz, I do play Indian classicals with more usage of modulation joystick. I am aware that I can use external joystick as midi... Can I use external joystick for inbuilt sounds ???
Check with Roland
I can hear the flagship Montage is best. But it’s minimal how much better it is towards the MODX.
I agree, for most it will not be an issue at all.
Motif Es, Motif Xs, Motif Xf, Modx ou Montage ?🤔
Thanks for watching
Ok, everything else being equal as well... so how about testing them with a "neutral" controller (weighted or semi weighted or even both). In fact you could trigger the Montage from the MODX and visa versa to compare them. I would have to think that the price differential would account for a lot of difference in actual keyboard the triggering, although I could be wrong. If so this difference in the keyboard quality itself would skew any comparison. Balanced vs unbalanced outputs can be mostly equalized as you did in the first comparison. In a live situation or even a studio mix, I can't believe the difference would be significantly discernable but I am curios now, based on your concluding observations. I'm thinking about one of these myself for my setup.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, that's not something I would do (play both from another keyboard) as my point was to compare how they each sounded based on what comes with each. I definitely think the keybed plays a part in the response, I'm sure you can get better interaction from a higher quality keybed with the MODX in terms of responsiveness, but I think for live use, or even studio use, if it is mainly the sound engine you're after many will enjoy the MODX. It's not an exact 1 to 1 experience and having both next to each other I could hear slight differences in certain areas but it is still a powerful piece in my opinion. Best advice I can give is if you have a chance to play one for yourself do it. If not, most places have a 30 day return policy for you to test it out as well.
Thanks for responding. I understand.
No problem!
Do u need a lap top for these keys or just monitor speakers
You just need speakers to hook them up to
BTW does the MODX synth action keyboard feel real cheap?
It's not the best in my opinion, very light action, I have midi controllers (Komplete Kontrol) that have better keybeds.
@@SoundsAndGear I've been learning piano for about a year on a Roland FP-30 digital piano. Thinking I may want to get a synth. Seems like MODX keyboards are a great value for the quality of the sounds and two engines that you get. And I love the Yamaha FM sounds. The fully weighted keyboard on the MODX8 is attractive, but I think it still does not have aftertouch. I read, the MODX can have aftertouch if used with a controller with aftertouch. So not sure what I want to do?
Yeah, it will respond to aftertouch, it just doesn't have it built into it's own keybed .
@@SoundsAndGear Not sure if it's already been suggested, but have you tried using the Montage as a controller for the MODX?
@@acoustic61 I didn't try it, that would have been a great test actually! I've already sent them both back to Yamaha though.
Do you lug the Montage around?
No, I'm not a live player/musician so for me it is only home studio use
They sound different. If the samples are exactly the same, then the difference must be due to higher quality analog stage in the Montage. In my experience, higher quality DACs usually bring out more of the ambience and this is what I am hearing in your video. Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
Wouldn't the the "Pure Analog Circuit (PAC)" that the Montage has sweeten the sound if using the regular outputs ? thanks for the demo S&G
Thanks for watching! Yeah, that's part of the reason for the comparison, to see if there's a noticeable difference.
@@SoundsAndGear Thanks !!! I wasn't sure if you were using USB audio which is probably identical on both , I prefer the analogue outs for a bit of warmth and you can clearly hear some extra body with the Montage when using these !
Yeah, I'm not hooking this up to my computer for recording so no need for the USB for me really. I've only used it with the iPad.
Yo SoundsAndGear I've been watching your Vida for a while they do help me choose my equipment also the comments help me too. Thank you
Thanks for your support fam, I appreciate you!
try to set audio output in 48k, 96k, 192kHz and try to play complicated performance, see the difference ?
MODX can only to 44.1 via USB, that's another difference, the audio options available.
I MEAN, IF THE MONTAGE IN SET OF 96, 192 KHZ AND YOU PLAY COMPLEX TONES WITH VARIOUS FILTERS YOU WILL HEAR A DIFFERENT SOUND QUALITY WITH THE MODX. I KNOW THE MODX JUST HAVE 44 KHZ
I was agreeing with you in terms of audio quality options.
Awesome comparison. After watching this I’m definitely keeping my equipment (listed below) and not buying either of these
Kawai MP10
Yamaha DX7S
Yamaha MX61
Roland MKS-20
Korg 01RW
Korg N1
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How's the MODX 88 for a primary AP board?
I haven't used the 88 key version so I'm not sure.
MODX6 , Kurzweil PCK6, MOXF6, or NORD Electro D6 ??? Need to pull the trigger today , and have no chance to get my hands on none of them , please help me decide , anybody ???
I'd say all are very different, I've used both the Moxf and Modx personally, both have great sounds, modx has the newer sound engine, Moxf is a full workstation with a full sequencer. Kurzweil is always nice and it's actually a full workstation as well. Nord is super dope but limited to specific types of sounds, however, those sounds are great. That's really a touch decision mostly based on what exactly you're looking for.
The montage gives more clarity and cleanest. Which is 3000$ but not a huge difference in sound, I hear it though. I would by the cheaper cause it's less than half the price and close to the montage sound.
I hear ya! That's why I did these videos, for many the MODX is just fine!
Well, the Montage sounds better.. But modx is good enough for live gigs as it is at an affordable range for us not so rich musicians..
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S90 VS ModX ? Cual es mejor?
never used an s90
@@SoundsAndGear ok I'm understand
No piano engine on both (no string resonance)
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they are the same but i don't if keypad is also
Keybed definitely different
I wish it was a blind test
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My ears no hear different and due the price the best option is modx.
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To my ears, I like the MODX.
It sounds warmer.
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Like others have said, the difference in sound quality, when you can hear it, which is minimal when you can to my ears at least, doesn't justify the difference in price.
I held off buying the Montage, as it seemed too expensive for what it offered. I don't think I would be disappointed with the MODX. That said, I would buy the MODX8, as I prefer a weighted keyboard, and I've read a few reviews that say the Montage keyboard is better, but if the difference in the keyboards is as minimal as the difference in the sounds, then I don't see the point of buying the Montage over the MODX.
I really like the MODX. I think I might be buying one soon, and this video has helped a lot. I'll have to give it a test, as I'm getting itchy fingers thinking about it.
Cool. I haven't used the 88 key versions, but I will say the 61 key versions differ quite a bit in the keybed. I definitely prefer the keyed on the Montage. MODX is a great synth though, definitely get in a store and try it out if you can, especially the 88 to see how you like the keys.
Both great but there is a reason why Montage is double of the price.
Thanks for watching. What do you think the reason for double the price is?
Sound identical listening on my iPad.
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I fell more strength on montage!
But modx is nice!
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O montage tem um som um pouco mais definido e pesado que o MODX. A yamaha nunca expõe totalmente as configs de sua tecnologia. Diz usar o mesmo motor, mas no final o resultado é diferente. Percebe-se isso nas linhas de 88 teclas. Geralmente tem o som melhor que as 61 e 76 da mesma série.
Definitely a difference in the keybed and how it interacts with the sound engine
They have the same sound engines.
thanks for letting me know...
Sorry, but on the CFX preset , the Super Knob is not at the same level. We clearly hear the electric piano on the MODX and not on the Montage. So, you have to be fair.
Because with that keyboards , you just move the Super knob from one iota, and the sound is TOTALLY different.
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for me, i have used those keyboards and they sound the same
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Yeah the better the Key bed the more expressive the sounds are my nord which is not weighted sounds more expressive when I midi it through my Kronos, which is weighted. Also when playing soft synth sounds using a cheap controller makes your sounds not sound as good because the key bed sucks. Overall I think they both sound good. Kronos is better than both though lol
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Jwalk Entertainment That’s your opinion I think the Montage is waaaay better than the Kronos
Both have exactly the same Sound Engine...where do you hear a difference😂😂😂
Have you played them both? I'm not the only one that can hear the difference. LOL. Rather it's significant enough to warrant the price difference, that's another story.
For me it sounds basically the same….
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I am surprised that these companies still make these keyboards. The age of Plugins will knock them out completely in the near future :-)
I don't think so. Instruments will always have a place, people have been saying that for years.
@@SoundsAndGear Classical instruments of course will be there forever,,I am talking digital ones. Plugins are really getting insane in their capabilities.
@@qasion Plugins are awesome for sure, but keyboards, synths, etc will not be replaced. Not everyone wants to use a computer/software, some like to use both as well. There's room for it all in my opinion!
@@SoundsAndGear Roger that my friend.
Have you seen any Pro Studio only use Plugins to make big hits?
It's have the same sounds inside.
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The Montage is slightly better in my opinion.
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They are really the same keyboard the only difference is the feel and polyphony and buttons
Thanks for watching. Pretty close, not the same, but close enough for most people.
What would be the solution to get a balanced output through the MODX6
You can't change the output itself, they didn't put balanced outputs on it so even if you use balanced cables it's still not a balanced output.
@@SoundsAndGear thank you 😀
Would that make a big difference on the sound output?
Depends on what you have it hooked up to, you may notice less noise using balanced cables with non balanced output, but it isn't the same a default balanced output. For most setups it may not even matter though, again, just depends on what type of system you're hooking up to.
ima former church musician who trynna debate witch one I played on the modx + and the montage before I can't debate I want something that I can carry around with out being heavy I was looking at the modx 71
If you want something that isn't heavy definitely modx over montage.
@@SoundsAndGear so would the 71 key be better
@@Tybrazzy_ Really depends on your preference.
nah they don't sound identical. However, for the price it's a great buy
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