i love hearing this kind of history. Made me remember that when i was a little boy i remember hanging out with my dad and ted blocker selling holsters at the Pomona fairgrounds back in the late 90's.
Hi I am Filipino, I always watching Bob Munden and that was a long time before he died I talk with he's daughter, I loveu American cowboy thanks more power to your channel
I knew Arvo Ojala back in the 80's, he was a manufacturers rep later in life and I met him in Salem Oregon. When Ronald Reagan became our President, Arvo had a special double holster rig made for him and had a set of matching Colt Peacemakers in them and went to DC and presented them to the President ... so he told me. His nickname was "The Flying Finn"
Love the history lesson. I shoot USPSA but go watch the western guys sometime on the other range. I find it interesting that Ernie Hill made fast draw holsters and was also influential in the IPSC/USPSA holster designs as was Bianchi and a few others.
Arvo Ojala is a Finnish name but I had not known about him until I saw this video. I had to go look for more information about him immediately and he was a child of Finnish immigrants to USA. Interesting video otherwise as well and it is always funny to see how sports of almost any kind has a problem of the equipment evolving and possibly becoming more important than the skills of the competitors. Also, in other gun sports I have seen this divide rising between those who gamify the system and those who wish to stay closer to the original idea (like the reservist shooting contests in Finland where organizations have been split and new sports born simply because some go the tacticool route use gadgets and and highly modified guns while others split from the original organization to make a new contest with stricter rules so that those who use the bare bones FDF equipment have a chance. Much like the Fast draw contests in USA got a separate traditional leagues.)
Which fast draw style has the most consistent accuracy ? I know it’s an old video which limits a reply let alone an honest answer with some content of proof. The most consistently accurate quick draw style would be the one to learn for practical purposes ,..as in real life situation (hopefully something that you’d never need to use ) it’s like if you want to at least know how to do one quick draw style the most accurate style would be a handy one to learn. I’m genuinely curious ,.. Which quick draw style is the most accurate ?
Hello. When you mention "practical purposes" I assume you mean self defense, and I don't think the single-action pistol with the old holsters is your best choice for that. Our sport is re-creating the Hollywood style of shooting from the movies and TV shows, with some of the organizations using more stringent rules on the guns and holsters being more like were used in the old west of the late 1800s. A fast draw using these styles and equipment wouldn't be what you'd want to use in current situations. Having said that, the most accurate style using the guns and holsters in the sport of fast draw is the one-handed thumbing draw. That was proven in the early 2000s when the sport went to the more historically accurate equipment and farther distances (up to 21' with wax bullets)... everyone went to the thumbing draw since it was more accurate. With the fanning draws (mainly done with the trigger pulled back and the fanning of the hammer cocking the hammer and immediately dropping it to fire the round) there is a slight jerk of the gun when the hammer is fanned, which is fine at the shorter distances, but once you get past about 10-feet it definitely affects the accuracy.
It's fascinating how much influence hollywood westerns had on actual shooting gear. I had heard of some of this, in extremely general terms, but it is awesome to hear the details from someone who was there and lived with it. I do wonder though, about crossdraw, which I've noticed is a comfortable way to carry a sixgun, how historical that was, and if so why it never took off as much in modern shooting?
It's not allowed in Fast Draw because it's extremely hard to do it safely - especially during a fast draw in competition. Most people will end up sweeping themselves, the spectators behind them, or the other shooters on the line next to them with the barrel at some point during the draw if they don't do it exactly right, which would be very bad if their finger touched the trigger accidentally during the draw and fired a round.
In the olden days having the pistol like Robert Duvall in Lonesome Dove would make the pistol more available when sitting down. Speed wasn’t the prerequisite back then since there weren’t any face to face fast draws, except the Ok corral. Accessibility was most important.
My stepdad always that used Alfonso's. I've always had and Alfonso my last one built when he was on Lankershim in North Hollywood. And I will stick with his son fine leather always top quality!
Yep, some organizations mandate that a cowboy hat is required, but for most is a recommended option, and most people do wear them. I don't see many leather cowboy hats... the majority are felt, with some staw, and maybe one or two leather ones in the mix.
Well, heres the problem with buscaderos. if there's one, there's more than one. Those had to be made and sold. Just because people weren't fond of pictures back then doesn't mean they weren't around
You can use fanning guns with aluminum barrels in all WFDA Open or Traditional contests (just not Thumbing contests), and I believe some of the OFDA (Ohio) contests.
NO, Alfonso's is now in Burbank, because they got jammed-up in LA for having unwittingly been "in-violation," for having creating a concealment holster that had "somehow" become illegal to-sell, in LA, I believe, for small handguns, or some such crap. So, they moved to Burbank, and they still make nice leather goods, and not just gunbelts.
I can't recommend a specific replica since I haven't bought one or looked at the selection for over 30 years, but they are definitely the best thing to use when learning to spin, or trying new tricks even when you're experienced. Go with the 4 3/4" barrel as it will spin faster and slightly easier to spin in and out of the holster, but if you get a good deal on a 5 1/2 it's not that big a difference.
Not all organizations allow metal in or on the holster (like CFDA, XFDA, WFPG), but for those that do (WFDA for one) there is often metal between the two layers of leather in the holster boot so it won't get blown apart by the very powerful blanks we use during an early ignition. In addition to that there is often a metal insert placed down inside the front of the boot to protect the leather. This helps direct any early shots (blanks or wax bullets) down the holster boot and out the bottom of the boot where there is often a "deflector" guiding the blast away from the leg. These inserts usually have a lip that comes up and over the top edge of the boot, like you can see in this video's thumbnail.
Yes, the rules of the sport changed about a dozen years ago due to safety reasons, and you are now allowed to grip the gun with the finger outside the trigger guard using what's called "Lawman Ready" position. In the old west there were no rules in a gunfighter. If you've seen the movie "Unforgiven" that's a pretty good representation of how things really were. Someone would walk into a bar with a gun already in their hand and shoot the person they were after before they could get a gun out, or kicked open an outhouse door and shotgunned the person in there with their pants down. There was no niceties when it came to killing others in the old west... the duel in the streets is a Hollywood myth. Sure there are reports of one or two duels that sound similar to the Hollywood version of how it went down, but check out this article for an understanding of it www.neatorama.com/2012/06/07/the-truth-about-gunfights-in-the-old-west/
@@fastdraw101 thanks for the info ,I knew they were mostly myths and gun fights were won with having the upper hand on the other man rather than being fair .I just thought it looks better and more skilful with hands off the gun ,but safety comes first of course. I live in Ireland and would love to start this up here .I'd be a quick draw fanatic. Thanks again
Instead of a name look at the gunbelt that Commodore Perry Owens is shown wearing in a cross draw. Its design is to keep the pistol out of the way so he can use his rifle freely. He preferred to use his rifle and historical accounts, including the shoot out at Convict Lake show this. Just like Billy the Kid is thought to have used a pistol, when he actually preferred his "trusty Winchester." In truth most cowboys kept their pistol in the pocket of their chaps or in a "California" slim holster, even Wild Bill Hickok used those holsters in a slanted cross draw and used the cavalry draw, or as most men did in a sash, in cross draw fashion. So if you are really concerned about historical accuracy, then the sport of fast draw has to make some big changes.
There's historical accuracy, but we also have to do it safely. The cross-draw can be done safely by skilled indiividuals, but not easily, and in competition would often end up with the spectators, hand judges, or other competitors being swept with the barrel and possibly being shot. With the pocket or sash option it give the increased chance of hanging up in the material and a shot being fired too early. We need any early shots be be contained and the blast and wax bullet directly safely down-range, and the holster is what does that.
The surname Ojala is pronounced O-ha-la not O-jaw-la. I cringed every time I heard him say that name. Otherwise a very good history lesson. I used to participate in fast draw about 1960 in a parking lot of a shopping center located between Oxnard and Ventura called Venox.
Why not just get rid of the holster have the shooter pointing gun at target and fire when instructed and measure time from ear to brain to trigger finger. The rules now allow techniques that are so far removed from the good ole original fast draw that it has made a joke out of it
Actually, the "old west" fast draw was a Hollywood invention, and they also used holsters that aren't true to the old west (metal inserts, cut down low in front, etc.). There is really only one or two cases where gunfighters faced off in the middle of the street, and even then they didn't have their hands off their guns. If you ever watched the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven, that was a much more realistic portrayal of how gunfights went in the 1800's... guys sneaking up on you while you're in an outhouse and blasting away with a shotgun, or coming into a saloon with their gun already in their hand and giving you no chance. In competitions prior to the early 2000's you had to have you're hand fully off the gun (it could be very close but not touching), but most organizations changed to hand on the butt of the gun with trigger finger outside the trigger guard for safety reasons. There had been a number of people drop the gun in competition, and a few errant shots go off, so now it's safer. To tell you the truth there isn't really much difference in times with the hands-on or off, and when allowed some people still use the hands-off style because it's what they prefer, and they don't give up much time. Our current style with the hand on the butt of the gun is called "lawman ready", which is the most used "holstered" style in the old west if the gunfighter didn't already have their gun in their hands when they came upon their adversary. I hope that helps explain how our sport works.
He should have mentioned that Hollywood created the showdown for movies to be more dramatic. In actuality, most gunfights were done by shooting the other in the back. Check it out if you don't believe this.
No need to check it out... both Bob and I have done a lot of research on the Old West, and he's written about the Hollywood myths in many shooting and western magazine, and both of us post online quite often when people bring it up. This video was on the evolution of holsters, so we stuck with that.
Hello, Bronco. I wasn't the WFDA president, I just promoted it using my videos and websites. And yes, I'm Canadian, but by coincidence I arrived in Japan today to tour the country again for the next month. こんにちは、ブロンコです。 私は WFDA の会長ではなく、自分のビデオやウェブサイトを使って宣伝しただけです。 はい、私はカナダ人ですが、来月のツアーのために今日、偶然にも日本に来ました。
Wow. I could listen to this mans knowledge for hours.
This old timer has knowledge for days. Good on him
I'd LOVE to spend a day with him!
i love hearing this kind of history. Made me remember that when i was a little boy i remember hanging out with my dad and ted blocker selling holsters at the Pomona fairgrounds back in the late 90's.
This is a great video Howard, thanks for posting it, it was great hearing the history on the holsters and the fast draw!
Awesome video Howard. Thanks for sharing the history with us. I use to buy a lot of my leather from Tandy leather for our gun holsters.
Great video. I knew Arvo and used to visit with him every year when he was in Las Vegas. Great guy!!
Great video! Thank you! So much information to take in at once. I could've listened to Bob talk all day man... Thanks again 👍💥
Good overview. I was involved in fast draw competition in the 1970s, but didn't know much of the history of the sport and how holsters had evolved.
i just started practicing and its more difficult than the average person might think, but it is fun, lots of good , cool, info in this one , thanks !!
Thanks for the history lesson and examples!
Fascinating. Didn't know how this competition evolved.
Very informative. Nice video. Love the old photos. Interesting idea. Thank you
Hi I am Filipino, I always watching Bob Munden and that was a long time before he died I talk with he's daughter, I loveu American cowboy thanks more power to your channel
Info and fast draw development gold, really informative
thanks
Excellent history coverage! Thanks very much for sharing
I knew Arvo Ojala back in the 80's, he was a manufacturers rep later in life and I met him in Salem Oregon. When Ronald Reagan became our President, Arvo had a special double holster rig made for him and had a set of matching Colt Peacemakers in them and went to DC and presented them to the President ... so he told me. His nickname was "The Flying Finn"
Great idea for a series! Thank you.
Love the history lesson. I shoot USPSA but go watch the western guys sometime on the other range. I find it interesting that Ernie Hill made fast draw holsters and was also influential in the IPSC/USPSA holster designs as was Bianchi and a few others.
VERY informative. This guy knows his stuff. Would love to get involved with this for fun.
Great video! Very interesting to learn the history behind fast draw shooting!
Arvo Ojala is a Finnish name but I had not known about him until I saw this video. I had to go look for more information about him immediately and he was a child of Finnish immigrants to USA. Interesting video otherwise as well and it is always funny to see how sports of almost any kind has a problem of the equipment evolving and possibly becoming more important than the skills of the competitors. Also, in other gun sports I have seen this divide rising between those who gamify the system and those who wish to stay closer to the original idea (like the reservist shooting contests in Finland where organizations have been split and new sports born simply because some go the tacticool route use gadgets and and highly modified guns while others split from the original organization to make a new contest with stricter rules so that those who use the bare bones FDF equipment have a chance. Much like the Fast draw contests in USA got a separate traditional leagues.)
Enjoyed this very informative thanks
Which fast draw style has the most consistent accuracy ? I know it’s an old video which limits a reply let alone an honest answer with some content of proof.
The most consistently accurate quick draw style would be the one to learn for practical purposes ,..as in real life situation (hopefully something that you’d never need to use ) it’s like if you want to at least know how to do one quick draw style the most accurate style would be a handy one to learn.
I’m genuinely curious ,..
Which quick draw style is the most accurate ?
Hello. When you mention "practical purposes" I assume you mean self defense, and I don't think the single-action pistol with the old holsters is your best choice for that. Our sport is re-creating the Hollywood style of shooting from the movies and TV shows, with some of the organizations using more stringent rules on the guns and holsters being more like were used in the old west of the late 1800s. A fast draw using these styles and equipment wouldn't be what you'd want to use in current situations. Having said that, the most accurate style using the guns and holsters in the sport of fast draw is the one-handed thumbing draw. That was proven in the early 2000s when the sport went to the more historically accurate equipment and farther distances (up to 21' with wax bullets)... everyone went to the thumbing draw since it was more accurate. With the fanning draws (mainly done with the trigger pulled back and the fanning of the hammer cocking the hammer and immediately dropping it to fire the round) there is a slight jerk of the gun when the hammer is fanned, which is fine at the shorter distances, but once you get past about 10-feet it definitely affects the accuracy.
8:53 Wow, That dude on the left, if he had a slow burn discharge round, he could end up shooting him self in the head.
great video. Thanks !
Very fun and interesting!!
Very very cool
awesome content
I have the last Alfonso holster to be produced before he passed away. It's a plain #4.
Great video, very informative.
It's fascinating how much influence hollywood westerns had on actual shooting gear. I had heard of some of this, in extremely general terms, but it is awesome to hear the details from someone who was there and lived with it. I do wonder though, about crossdraw, which I've noticed is a comfortable way to carry a sixgun, how historical that was, and if so why it never took off as much in modern shooting?
It's not allowed in Fast Draw because it's extremely hard to do it safely - especially during a fast draw in competition. Most people will end up sweeping themselves, the spectators behind them, or the other shooters on the line next to them with the barrel at some point during the draw if they don't do it exactly right, which would be very bad if their finger touched the trigger accidentally during the draw and fired a round.
@@fastdraw101 That makes sense, thank you.
In the olden days having the pistol like Robert Duvall in Lonesome Dove would make the pistol more available when sitting down. Speed wasn’t the prerequisite back then since there weren’t any face to face fast draws, except the Ok corral. Accessibility was most important.
Wow. There is an entire channel dedicated to this?
Thats right your correct exactly youve said.
Great video!
I have a cartridge belt slide from alonzo. and a holster from dee woolem
Great!
Very interesting.
very cool!!
Interesting.
Nice.
is there a particular rule about a bisley style hammer or one like the schofields as opposed to the colts?
That part of Clint Eastwood is false. Up until a certain time on Rawhide, he'd used an Ojala rig, then swapped to Anderson
I cant wait to retire so i can enjoy these things.
where can I get a fanning gun?
Hi Steve. I see you asked the question on the Facebook Fast Draw group that I created. That's the best place to find one. Good luck with it.
My stepdad always that used Alfonso's. I've always had and Alfonso my last one built when he was on Lankershim in North Hollywood. And I will stick with his son fine leather always top quality!
What about the leather cowboy hats? Without the hat it’s impossible to fastdraw... you gotta have a cowboy hat.
Yep, some organizations mandate that a cowboy hat is required, but for most is a recommended option, and most people do wear them. I don't see many leather cowboy hats... the majority are felt, with some staw, and maybe one or two leather ones in the mix.
Well, heres the problem with buscaderos. if there's one, there's more than one. Those had to be made and sold. Just because people weren't fond of pictures back then doesn't mean they weren't around
Question on fanning guns... where can I shoot a fanning with an aluminum barrel in competition?
You can use fanning guns with aluminum barrels in all WFDA Open or Traditional contests (just not Thumbing contests), and I believe some of the OFDA (Ohio) contests.
should make the title deadeye 101
NO, Alfonso's is now in Burbank, because they got jammed-up in LA for having unwittingly been "in-violation," for having creating a concealment holster that had "somehow" become illegal to-sell, in LA, I believe, for small handguns, or some such crap. So, they moved to Burbank, and they still make nice leather goods, and not just gunbelts.
Thanks for the update. I can't change the video, but I've added the new address in the video's description.
Poxa queria ser assim bom no gatilho
There are lots of people now days that make ojala style holster
So what replica gun would you recommend for a spinner beginner and how long of barrel? Thanks !
I can't recommend a specific replica since I haven't bought one or looked at the selection for over 30 years, but they are definitely the best thing to use when learning to spin, or trying new tricks even when you're experienced. Go with the 4 3/4" barrel as it will spin faster and slightly easier to spin in and out of the holster, but if you get a good deal on a 5 1/2 it's not that big a difference.
@@fastdraw101 I ended up buying a western colt that shoots blanks with a 4.75 barrel. Thanks for getting back to me partner!
@@HOTRODLED is it a real firearm?
Earnie Hill and the twist fan holster look like what Eddie Bravo and 10th planet is to BJJ and MMA 😂
Metal inserts= is that the same as metal inside the lining? I picked up a holster, and a magnet stuck to it.
Not all organizations allow metal in or on the holster (like CFDA, XFDA, WFPG), but for those that do (WFDA for one) there is often metal between the two layers of leather in the holster boot so it won't get blown apart by the very powerful blanks we use during an early ignition. In addition to that there is often a metal insert placed down inside the front of the boot to protect the leather. This helps direct any early shots (blanks or wax bullets) down the holster boot and out the bottom of the boot where there is often a "deflector" guiding the blast away from the leg. These inserts usually have a lip that comes up and over the top edge of the boot, like you can see in this video's thumbnail.
@@fastdraw101 Thank you
Jesus has howard changed
carry holster hori if secure faster up draw angle
I’m watching these just because I’m a fan of Spaghetti westerns😅
Bob knows the fast draw game and does not b.s.
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Are you allowed to grip the gun before you draw ? Don't think that was the case in a old west shot out .
Yes, the rules of the sport changed about a dozen years ago due to safety reasons, and you are now allowed to grip the gun with the finger outside the trigger guard using what's called "Lawman Ready" position. In the old west there were no rules in a gunfighter. If you've seen the movie "Unforgiven" that's a pretty good representation of how things really were. Someone would walk into a bar with a gun already in their hand and shoot the person they were after before they could get a gun out, or kicked open an outhouse door and shotgunned the person in there with their pants down. There was no niceties when it came to killing others in the old west... the duel in the streets is a Hollywood myth. Sure there are reports of one or two duels that sound similar to the Hollywood version of how it went down, but check out this article for an understanding of it www.neatorama.com/2012/06/07/the-truth-about-gunfights-in-the-old-west/
@@fastdraw101 thanks for the info ,I knew they were mostly myths and gun fights were won with having the upper hand on the other man rather than being fair .I just thought it looks better and more skilful with hands off the gun ,but safety comes first of course.
I live in Ireland and would love to start this up here .I'd be a quick draw fanatic.
Thanks again
Instead of a name look at the gunbelt that Commodore Perry Owens is shown wearing in a cross draw. Its design is to keep the pistol out of the way so he can use his rifle freely. He preferred to use his rifle and historical accounts, including the shoot out at Convict Lake show this. Just like Billy the Kid is thought to have used a pistol, when he actually preferred his "trusty Winchester."
In truth most cowboys kept their pistol in the pocket of their chaps or in a "California" slim holster, even Wild Bill Hickok used those holsters in a slanted cross draw and used the cavalry draw, or as most men did in a sash, in cross draw fashion.
So if you are really concerned about historical accuracy, then the sport of fast draw has to make some big changes.
There's historical accuracy, but we also have to do it safely. The cross-draw can be done safely by skilled indiividuals, but not easily, and in competition would often end up with the spectators, hand judges, or other competitors being swept with the barrel and possibly being shot. With the pocket or sash option it give the increased chance of hanging up in the material and a shot being fired too early. We need any early shots be be contained and the blast and wax bullet directly safely down-range, and the holster is what does that.
Why do they always look like they are going to break their backs with that weird lean back posture?
The surname Ojala is pronounced O-ha-la not O-jaw-la. I cringed every time I heard him say that name. Otherwise a very good history lesson. I used to participate in fast draw about 1960 in a parking lot of a shopping center located between Oxnard and Ventura called Venox.
Why not just get rid of the holster have the shooter pointing gun at target and fire when instructed and measure time from ear to brain to trigger finger. The rules now allow techniques that are so far removed from the good ole original fast draw that it has made a joke out of it
Actually, the "old west" fast draw was a Hollywood invention, and they also used holsters that aren't true to the old west (metal inserts, cut down low in front, etc.). There is really only one or two cases where gunfighters faced off in the middle of the street, and even then they didn't have their hands off their guns. If you ever watched the Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven, that was a much more realistic portrayal of how gunfights went in the 1800's... guys sneaking up on you while you're in an outhouse and blasting away with a shotgun, or coming into a saloon with their gun already in their hand and giving you no chance. In competitions prior to the early 2000's you had to have you're hand fully off the gun (it could be very close but not touching), but most organizations changed to hand on the butt of the gun with trigger finger outside the trigger guard for safety reasons. There had been a number of people drop the gun in competition, and a few errant shots go off, so now it's safer. To tell you the truth there isn't really much difference in times with the hands-on or off, and when allowed some people still use the hands-off style because it's what they prefer, and they don't give up much time. Our current style with the hand on the butt of the gun is called "lawman ready", which is the most used "holstered" style in the old west if the gunfighter didn't already have their gun in their hands when they came upon their adversary. I hope that helps explain how our sport works.
He should have mentioned that Hollywood created the showdown for movies to be more dramatic. In actuality, most gunfights were done by shooting the other in the back. Check it out if you don't believe this.
No need to check it out... both Bob and I have done a lot of research on the Old West, and he's written about the Hollywood myths in many shooting and western magazine, and both of us post online quite often when people bring it up. This video was on the evolution of holsters, so we stuck with that.
Should only be sport to completely, remove gun from holster
I'm not sure what you mean. The only way to hit the target is to draw the gun out of the holster.
ハワードダービーはWFDAの会長をまだやってるのか？
この人はカナダ人だよ、確か 昔からこのスポーツは
ジジババが多く参加していた、50～60年代に流行った
TVウエスタンの影響を受けてる年代だね bronco
Hello, Bronco. I wasn't the WFDA president, I just promoted it using my videos and websites. And yes, I'm Canadian, but by coincidence I arrived in Japan today to tour the country again for the next month.
こんにちは、ブロンコです。 私は WFDA の会長ではなく、自分のビデオやウェブサイトを使って宣伝しただけです。 はい、私はカナダ人ですが、来月のツアーのために今日、偶然にも日本に来ました。