So about Trigun's move to CG...
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2022
- Trigun has made an unexpected comeback, although, what was most surprising was the medium used for this reboot. However, what can we expect on the visual side and who is the studio behind it? Well, join me today as we explore all that and more in today's video!
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I will be quite honest here: The characters designs are questionable compared to the original, but in terms of 3D CG animation quality, this looks fantastic imo. I’m amazed by how fluid it is. Studio Orange really knows how to use 3D and making masterpieces like Land of the Lustrous and Beastars. But it’s a shame that, no matter how good it looks, no matter how much they try, some people will hate this just because it’s in 3D.
For the most part i prefer 2D animation over 3D, but the reality is that 3D is just as amazing as 2D. It’s different but unique. If you do it right, you can make wonders. It doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets because we barely have 2D hand drawn animation in theaters. Just because we had Berserk 2016 and Ex-Arm, it doesn’t mean that all 3D anime are like that. People should take a look at the Studio Orange projects to see that 3D can be good to anime if you use it well.
If you know how you can make 3d looks like 2d.
Case and point: Guilty Gear Strive and Into the Spiderverse.
How much you get paid by anime sponsors to shill moving to crappy cgi?
My favorie redesign is Milly Thompson...oh, wait, she was replaced with some dude.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 I don't like it when CGI is so ashamed of being itself that it pretends to be either 2D drawings or real life. My favourite movie of all time is Spy Kids 3D, and I want more CGI which looks like that.
To me the new character design is good… actually I like it more than the original
It’s really the new hair style that gets me. Vash had a good reason to spike his hair and it’s honestly pretty pivotal to his past character
he looks like some soy boy latte drinking woke they/them turd muncher
im fine with cgi stuff, but holy why would you do that to his hair, also his new glasses dont look as good but the hair is main point
Why do 3d models have issues with spiked hair? Is it the number of hairs or just the length also alot of time spiked hair does not move it is the most solid thing you can think of other wise it just falls down defeated by gravity.
Anime hair the defier of gravity. It just says no.
@@loganshaw4527 the guys who made dragon ball fighterz got it right
As long as its studio Orange doing the animation then I have 100% faith this remake will look amazing.
You are right it will be crap
@@nicolasvanced3137 no one asked
@@nicolasvanced3137 no one asked
@@mightycahjo4906 stay mad
@@navhidahmed481 stay mad
I know Studio Orange could do an ok job, it's just that I'm not completely sold on Vash's redesign. They kinda took away his more recognize looks that made him stand out.
I was already dubious because of that but I just learned they dropped Milly!!! For a character named Roberto de Nero ... I’m not even joking, that’s the actual name!!! Think I’ll go to my DVD collection for a nostalgia binge of the original ... MILLY!!! 😭😭😭
his hair is iconic, stupid design choice tbh. not even going to give this a chance even if turns out great.
@@LadyLeomon really fuck this shit then!
no to mention Wolfwood re-design and the fact that they simply removed and replaced Milly.
@@lxdead5585 after checking around apparently “she will be in the series at some point” but the dynamic between her and Wolfwood will be totally absent ... so what is even the point? 😒😒😒
I was a little apprehensive first going into this show, knew nothing about Trigun and was skeptical of 3D but after being shown the ending scene of ep1 and knowing it was the same company that did Beastars I wanted to give it a try and honestly, Orange is doing a fantastic job. The musics super fun, seems they've kept the western/jazzy saxophone/electric vibes of the original but really cranked up.
All the character animation is so smooth, expressive and lively. The scene framing and lighting just hits a soft spot for me especially all the ways they use the reflections in Vash's glasses.
liking the new changes, the world seems a bit more fleshed out and I get the new character portrayals, Meryle seems to have much more initiative in the actual main plot. Wolfwood was a little shocking but I like it, the use of 2D and the music for his backstory was awesome! and I'm curious if they'll have Milly come in at some point or not.
Thanks to Stampede, I just watched the OG Trigun and oh boy has it aged, way too much womanizing, had a really slow start, animations pretty rough aside from little highlight here and there, memorably Vash's arm gun. But seeing how shockingly TINY the animation team was I'm just impressed with how it turned out and all the criticisms aside I can say I really enjoyed it! The last eps where shocking. The portrayal of Vash was was touching. overall I'm glad I watched this series and I'd say the new shows still Trigun and new Vash is still Vash.
After (hopefully season 1) of Trigun Stampede is over I look forward to reading the manga these story's both came from.
I'm just not a fan of the redone designs. I think the original anime ended at a fine point and I also read the last chapter. Enough for me. But it does look very good.
Every design but Vash's is alright for me.
Be honest here it doesnt look very good lol
Right. The 3D characters look flat, no texture. The body and facial animations look good though
Looks bland and cheap knock off.
Too clean and grossly out of character, Vash being the worse offender by looking like a Kingdom Hearts character.
How could they take milly away from us
what?
@@adamm2716 Milly has been replaced by Roberto de Niro. No, I am not joking, that is the characters name.
@@John_Stephens43 well, I have the original on DVD, time for a nostalgia binge!
MILLY!!! 😭😭😭
She'll appear. The creators have stated that Roberto is not her replacement but saying anything further than that would be a spoiler.
@@natashalp6309 “she’ll be in it” ... probably as a one-off Character of the Day near the end to tempt the new Not-Wolfwood! Also her ‘replacement’ is an alcoholic loser ... I thought shitty reboots were supposed to be woke so why aren’t Milly and Meryl bisexual-aromantics girlfriends or something as half-tarded (but still hilarious)???
7:32 might as well have said, "updated for modern audiences" The harbinger of bastardization
This is too true
YES
The author himself wants to try this out.
Vash now looks like a e-Boy with a Tiktok channel!
Honestly I'm more upset they changed his spikey hair and no signs of Milly than cgi animation.
As someone that had spiked hair I was always jealous of Vash. Do you see how long it is and still perfectly spiked even the nonspiked bangs look great.
I watch the ep 1
it ok to remove Milly Thompson she not pretty
Meryl Stryfe is prettier now in CGI and possible Vash love interest in the remake?
I like the remake better than original
@@Paul-ei4qk this is the dumbest comment I'll read in my life.
@@KeaneKamina why?
@@Paul-ei4qk Your insane.😜
The animation is dynamic which is lovely, but I really don't like the new designs at all. Vash looks like a streamer man😭 Whatever, I personally won't watch it as the style ain't my click, but hopefully the show can find a new audience that can appreciate the work.
Edit: Meryl and Wolfwood have me crying man. They butchered my boys. Where is my tall bounty hunter waifu? Why is Meryl dressed for a trip to the mall in the damn desert with all these gun people everywhere? I am crying and shaking rn.
He looks like a descendant of Logan Paul. I like his new design and I think it might changed. Because his hair changed in the manga not in the limited anime. Also his bounty makes much more sense.
@@Aristocratic13 logan paul is trash
@@thoticcusprime9309 I couldn’t agree more. He got his ass kicked in that boxing match lmao
My only question is why do things that get modernized automatically make them look like a Twitter Stan or someone that uses the internet way too much despite the original character looking completely different
Looks at hair styles back then vs now and I think you comment apply there too.
because i’m modern time that’s how younger people look? i don’t get your question man. as time goes on hairstyles and clothing changes so with a reboot they must do that too
@@ivanmartinez498 spiked hair has few advantages over long bangs you can see and if you hair get longer you do not have to pull your own hair out of your mouth when eating.
@@ivanmartinez498 no they mustn't
@@Z-Twinturbo no but it's more appealing to young people like that
My only issues are Milly and there's something weird with the desert sand
Have no fear! Milly WILL be in the series!
The hair, the oversized glasses, and the mystery of his prosthetic arm have all been taken away and he acts like a bitch, compared to acting goofy in the original show.
I can't lie no matter hoe good it will be part of the reason I loved Trigun the gritty and desolate look of everything, will be gone. That coupled with the fact that the designs are very different and they're younger make it a VERY different anime but, I guess that's my problem...
What it’s not your?
Man there would have been so much hype if they stuck to the oc designs.
@@ARealManSpeaking but it's not possible in CGI as he said. So it needed to be changed
I have always thought CG can be really great but what gets me is when things are inconsistent. Characters suddenly becoming CG after being 2D for so long is really jarring if it’s not covered up REALLY well.
I love how, for example, complex machinery can be fully modeled in 3D and then hand drawn characters interact with it but when something suddenly changes it just looks terrible imo.
CG has gotten better across the board in the last 5-10 years though!
Studio that uses CG at it's finest is Ufotable with Demon Slayer and Fate/Stay Night(not include 2006), they're using that nice blend between 2D and 3D during fight scenes while studio that uses CG at it's worst gotta be Gemba with Berserk 2016, what a disaster from a masterpiece manga
the latest example is chainsaw man, but i still watch the show because of the visuals.
There are times when that transition is actually very seemless. The video already mentioned Beastars having 2d animation mixed in without many noticing and that's just because they try to make the style consistent. Making your 2d look 3d is so much easier than making your 3d look 2d which is why this works better for Orange's fully 3d aesthetic.
@@GamerConnoisseurRei I also want to mention Comix Wave Films. Their works, especially those with makoto shinkai have the best cgi in the industry hands down, with backgrounds looking completely hand painted until they start moving in the way CGI does.
It's not the CG thats the issue, it's the character redesigning, they've made vash look like a Justin beiber fanboy
Vash looks like he should be in the cyberpunk series. I am skeptical of any rebootellmake of old properties. Love & Peace
Same I agree.
the CG is far from an issue with it - we're in an age of "acceptable" to "outstanding" cg work with anime that it doesn't even seem like a real talking point anymore.
my issues stem from the fact that In this context "Trigun" is being used for brand recognition and a few character designs and motifs.
everything we see in the promotional material looks like it could have just been it's own thing with obvious callouts to Trigun and it's contemporaries as inspiration.
They want to let modern audiences experience an amazing story with an animation style that's not 20 years out of date, I see nothing wrong with that.
@@FlameHAZE2010 yeah and there’s plenty of modern 2D animation that only uses CGI as part of it yet this is fullblown cgi anime
I’ll take the dated 2D animation over this any day
Thisss
@@FlameHAZE2010
The lauded "modern audience" can already experience this story by watching the original series. I hate this push to remake or reimagine classics for "modern audiences". Apparently they're too shallow to handle anything that isn't 24/7 spectacle.
@@jovenc4508 the same applies to you, just enjoy the original and let new fans and open minded old fans enjoy this one.
I can't help but feel like you're missing what those guys who say "this is why 90's animation is the best" are saying. I loved how gritty Trigun was and how detailed every frame was. There was choppy-ness occasionally but never to the point where it looked super bad. The people who like that old style don't watch it for some prestige hyper fluid animation at every frame and where every drawing bounces across the screen (which has never been anime's strength anyway...), we watch for that super detailed background look, varied textures, incredible color theory, varied artistic styles, interesting lighting choices, and beautiful still frames. When they say, "animation" they're referring to the show itself, not how well it moves (though it still moved damn well a lot). It was something special.
The animation may not have always been as perfect back then as it is now but it was almost always quite good. I feel like you're memeing on that crowd. New anime are just too clean looking and most of the color theory and textural grit from the old style is just completely eradicated. That old style was just so much more lively and authentic, but that's my opinion.
Regarding the new show, I don't hate 3D animation at all, or digital anime. My problem personally with the new show is that 3D just doesn't work for that style of show, and that the show for a supposed reboot just doesn't feel faithful to the source material. 3D often times is a cheap cop-out. Yes it can be expensive, but the main reason why cel anime has disappeared is because its too expensive. 3D often times IS cheaper, especially in comparison. It's more than just some guy with a pencil and paper mind you, its a whole team of trained animators, very expensive paint, stupidly expensive animation cels, etc.
The new show just has no reason to exist. I'd rather Trigun not be remade at all then to be like this. A reboot in my opinion is supposed to be faithful to some degree. It's like the first objective of a successful remake. If it's not faithful then why call it Trigun at all? Just make a new show or a spinoff like the new Dragon Ball movie (which I didn't mind being in 3D), not a supposed """reboot""". If nothing else the new style just lacks in soul, it doesn't feel like Trigun at all. Granted the anime was an adaptation of the manga, but even the anime was more faithful to the show than Stampede seems to be.
What I'm sad about regarding old anime, and what many people like me are saying as well, is that that style is just completely gone. I don't hate 3D stuff or digital art, I just hate how analog anime have been wiped off the face of the planet. I think some of the upset fans who are mad at the new one feel the same way, and their hatred toward the new show is partly coming from that. Do keep in mind that in the past 20 years and especially since covid that analog things are increasingly being replaced with digital and online things.
By the way, I'm not calling you wrong. Your opinion is valid, and I understand where you're coming from. But it's kinda unfair to disregard their take as I feel like you're misunderstanding them and writing them off as idiots.
I think that's what you're saying anyway? Sorry that segment at the beginning was kind of confusing.
Is it even still possible to have the same textures that we did in the 90s? Like is the equipment actually able to be used? Also they aren’t referring to animation, but a preference to hand drawn art. Also a problem I find with a lot of old anime is that the colors seem muted. While this works really well for certain shows, others just look dull. Also I hate using soul, as it’s a criticism both not based in reality, and is to show that “your” art is superior. It’s really annoying
Yeah it is obvious that they generally mean how the show looks overall. Love relics though that nitpick was handwavy
@@mysta9526 Agreed, I love this channel so much, all that stuff came out of left field and it kind of seemed like he was dunking on people who prefer that style. It almost sounded like he said that style of anime is inferior (as opposed to purely how it moves as he specified) and it kind of seemed that he thought those people were stupid, but I can't totally tell.
@@thomasffrench3639 I never said it's superior, I merely am stating it makes it feel more authentic. I prefer that look. It's a subjective taste, just like the people who enjoy the digital look.
And no, those textures can't really be duplicated by computers, though we've tried. Can we get those materials and duplicate them though? Probably, if enough people actually wanted cel back instead of flavor of the month digital stuff.
I think bottom line is, I don't hate the new look for anime these days I just hate how the cel look has been wiped off the map all cause "future" or something. No computer can replicate real paint.
I like the faded colors too.
Is that really what a reboot is tho? Western comics/media gets remade/repurposed/repackaged/etc on the daily. But now that a studio in Japan has expressed an interest in doing the same thing with an older property, and it’s suddenly The Worst Thing Ever? Like people don’t love Marvel movies when they do the same exact thing. Nightow himself told the team to watch Marvel movies for this project, lol for this very reason. Isn’t the most important thing for them to be faithful to the original characters and story beats? And not just a panel per panel copy of the source material.
For me the 3D was never the issue. The issue I have is that it looks like they changed so much that it could be its own IP. Trigun is a futuristic a western... not a hipstern... so unless this takes place 100 years after the original (since Vash is like 130 yrs old in the anime) and shows how history has a tendency to repeat itself... I think it should have been its own thing. This does not strike me as Trigun.
Exactly, people remember that one or two fights where the animation was at its peak while forgetting the still shots with the camera panning across or the long scenes where the only things that r moving r the lips
I can appreciate it, but I am sad that the severe tone from the Manga will never reach a broader audience. I understand, it's unlikely to EVER anyways, given how dark and disturbing Trigun: Maximum gets in its later chapters. Not to mention, we're likely never going to get a reprint of Trigun in the future. (Thanks Dark Horse) I'm just sad that the feelings I had reading the manga will never be translated to a new generation of viewers. I'll give it its fair shake and I hope they can pull it off but it feels very cynical to me from the outside looking in. To me, it feels like the characters were designed too much with modern sensibilities in mind. Vash is "pretty" but not pretty like he was originally. He is more of a dreamboat hearththrob that female anime fans will drool over. That's not necessarily a bad change but it bothers me coupled with the redesigns for Rem Saversem and Meryl Strife. That and the seeming exclusion of Milly from the story entirely. (Which is inexcusable, IMO.) Rem, whether intentional or not had a somewhat androgynous build that I always found interesting. A lot of Nightow's designs evoke a different facial shape that I think is very charming. Rem in particular had a strong jaw and broad shoulders. She seemed "strong" and not in the "graceful dainty way" I guess in a way she reminds me a lot of my own mom. She's not straight-up hyper-fem-to-the-max. She had this calm, collected, imposing form that seemed to cut through everything. And for Rem's design in the new series to be basically the quintessential distillation of "tragic, idyllic mom-wife who dies too soon" really rubs me the wrong way. Similarly, Meryl Strife is somehow "cuter" with a rounder face, but WAY less sexy. She was always an exercise in contrasts. Her companion: Millie was another massive woman who towered over everyone and carried a giant gun. She had her own appeal but it was less as pin-up bait the way Meryl was. Meryl is a bigger tragedy in some ways because she was so simple! She just feels bland. Vash and Knives's haircuts as kids are just... annoying. So cyberpunk, so 80's "future" shit. Trigun's aesthetic was better served when it was a "western" first and foremost but now I'm talking in circles.
I don't like how "clean" everything looks. Trigun's world in both the anime and the Manga felt "lived in" and grimy. I don't get that feel from this series. What's especially frustrating about this is that, without a "true to manga" adaptation, the final, and likely only version modern audiences will EVER have contact with is this new one. "Trigun: Stampede" and that's great for all the people who lack that context. But for all the lip service that we consider the original manga to be a "masterpiece" we're leaving it in the dust for something else. And it'd better be good because it's kind of the last hurrah for this franchise at this point. Who's going to go back to Trigun after this? No one. And we'll never get the kind of 2D talent necessary to draw such an environment in the detail needed to make it work.
It's also frustrating because I don't think Trigun's manga is such a lofty horizon that Orange couldn't meet it. I think the reason they didn't adapt it is because it wouldn't sit well with modern audiences to have such blatant evils being portrayed on screen. No doubt the human-paste sequence, Knive's bloody effigy in the center of a small town, and other such horrors will be scrubbed from the story in favor of a more palatable villain. And that's just frustrating to me.
I hope I'm wrong. But at this point I'm yelling at a cloud. All the "New Trigun" fans get to have their fun with their "superior and far more dramatically resonant story" congrats.
I agree with you on everything except the last part.
There have been a lot of rather detestable villains doing rather horrid things in modern anime that make Knives' actions look cute in comparison. Anime has changed a lot since the 90's and at the same time, the brutality gets amped up quite a bit. There have also been a lot of series that are more severe in tone.
The point of Knives' is to be the Ultimate Evil. The Cain to Vash's Abel, so to speak. He's not supposed to be lovable, but he has reasons for his hatred and that in a way makes his motives understandable, but not defensible. He wants to make Vash see how awful humans are and ultimately destroy them.
So there's no doubt in my mind that they would include the horrible violence and attempted genocide against humans in this series. They might even amp it up a lot more.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. 💯
As silly as it sounds, when you really think about it, Vash's and Knives' hairstyles in the manga/1999 anime actually carried a lot of meaning.
When Vash and Knives were kids, and Rem acted as their mother, she offered to cut their hair. Vash let her spike it up however she wanted, and he loved it. He keeps his hair the same way as an adult because it reminds him of Rem. It's all he has to remember her after her death.
Knives on the other hand, has a messy, sharp hair cut. He cut it himself, to really cement his individuality. He criticizes Vash for being too "reliant" on Rem.
This design choice to change Vash's hairstyle really bothers me with this context in mind, especially when you realize how much the haircut scene actually built the connection between Rem and Vash and Knives' build up as a villain.
Hopefully this makes sense, I didn't really want to draft an essay for a youtube reply.
@@LunarJaguar makes a lot of sense. I agree 100% !
Yep, I completely agree. I haven't been a fan of trigun for very long, but alot of the character and story changes rub me the wrong way, I just hope it gets better.
I'll never understand how the approach that 'draws' a character once (as a model) then manipulates it is the one that can't have detail.
Well the once is like a full picture book of every possible movement.
How can you not understand it? You just said it, they only draw it once.
@@virtualmartini maybe because 3d models have texture on them all the time lmao
3d videogames and CGI movies don't exist now apparently
@@retrocatalog Thats a bit silly though. Studio Orange has always used complex designs. Padparadscha's hair in HNK was insane. And all their character designs in the rebooted trigun are more complex than the original.
Man .... Trigun was already perfect
for real. Remake bad stuff, not classics.
@@Wabajak13 true..
@@Wabajak13 ughh honestly much of a fanboy can you be? Something being derived from something else doesn't make it bad. =/
Nu-Vash looks like he's about to film a bussing W tiktok video to the sound of bass bosted, vine thud lil yachty
I had no idea a remake was in the works. I just happen to start rewatching sporadically the past few months lol
yep haha, kinda came outta the blue
Stampede ended up flat out looking better than like 90% of anime, designs aside, imo.
I personally don't like the née designs or the new animation. Not a big fan of the move to cg in general. But it's not badly done its just not an aesthetic I enjoy
5:35 the scene from rurouni Kenshin where he says good bye was one of my favorite animated moments in anime so expressive and incredibly detailed
As a kid I loved seeing the animation quality go up for those scenes and really helps to show how important and impactful they are
Yeah. Great Character acting Animation
I think the CG and redesigns look fine. I'm more worried about the direction they will take the story. At first I thought Vash had a new look because this would be a prequel series and the heavy emphasis on the flashback segment really cemented the idea in my mind. I thought it would have been cool to see Vash try to help humanity rebuild itself and if it ended during the July Incident that would have been so impactful, but alas it is a retelling and they got rid of Milly, one of the very few main female characters in the cast and replaced her with a guy who shares a name with an actor. I already can't take Robert De Niro seriously.
I'm fine with a reboot/retelling that has new designs, it doesnt change the original after all. The CG is a bit off putting though. I'm not a big fan of CG in general but this one just strikes me as being a bit too noticeable.
@@shawnrains4047 but ... The whole show is cg...
Like, all of it. That's the studio's style, like with beastars and with land of the lustrous
redesign is shit, shouldn't have change that, wtf they make his hair look like today's generic feminist hairstyle. some pc bullshit here tbh.
WHAT? THEY SERIOUSLY TOOK MILLY OUT OF IT?
WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE NOWADAYS!
No this vash looks like cheap walgreen knock off just traah
It took me about 3 nights to rewatch Trigun the original. And I can't make myself hop to 3d. I went to outlawstar instead lol. The original vash design was like such an iconic look when I was a kid I can't do it
I'd give it a chance. It isn't the same story, though it hits a lot of the same points. And I am loving it as someone who has seen the original at least a dozen times now. Vash feels more real in this one in some ways too. He is still driven by his ideals but he has the feel of someone who has seen some serious horror too. And the CGI animation is friggin stellar. First time I have liked a CGI show. The fights in particular are stellar and Knives is... holy shit man. I can see why they went with CGI for this one.
I watched 98 and stampede back to back
I enjoyed myself so much watching stampede it pushed me to read the manga. Had I only watched 98 I don't think I would have been that much of a fan so reading in the comment section how much people decided Tristamp was a soulless cashgrab kinda hurts. People see 3D and refuse to aknowledge passion, which shows how little they know about the medium. Neither version of the show is perfect by any means, actually some of their problems are opposite to each other (98 is too slow at moments, and stamp doesn't slow down enough) but both were clearly made giving it their all, and now I'm so excited for season 2 I really hope some of the people down here changed their mind
I saw 98 in the early 2000s. It doesn’t hold up today. Stampede was phenomenal. The story music and cg were top tier.
Over time, as I get older and understand the process better, I agree with Yamamuro more about how new shows do too much with the camera
My issue with cg is they constantly rely on moving everything all the time but it doesn't make it good, especially the story. The Pokémon remake movie is a great example how cgi lost the plot compared to the original, even if the original is limited animation.
I also feel old school dragon ball understood better boarding than the new action shows, dbs included. The camera played a role in story telling and didn't need to have the camera fly around to just show off the skill of the animators. It becomes a muddled mess. I feel I can see that with the new Trigun: looks spiffy but lost what made it great. Sure action scenes are cool but if it just has the flashiest and most skilled freelancers doing their thing but it doesn't have story telling!!
I feel the same way. While I did enjoy DBS: Super Hero to an extent the constant need for there to always be something moving and the over all spectacle kind of got annoying after a while. Every scene had to be some dynamic shot. Character movements had to be overly dramaticized. It made no sense.
@@jovenc4508 yup. Action without reason is void of quality.
Without moving the camera everything would look stiff and robotic.
@@MladenMijatov I think good story boarding goes way beyond moving everything all the time. A great example of good action in film are with Jackie Chan movies. Notice his movies are all wide shots and establishing shots so you can see everything. Little camera movement. Chan even spoke on this and how it is more beneficial to the viewer.
@@derock4art608 That's the same point I was trying to make. They are using movement and shaky camera to hide the fact animation looks janky.
It doesnt look bad it just doesnt look like trigun it looks more like cyberpunk. It also looks like they're making more changes in the show that I dont think will go over well with many OG fans
My problem isn't the art medium. I'm concerned about the story. That, and I'm not the keenest on the new designs, but that's just subjective.
Dude is like cake! I love aaall vash!! The anime,manga, movie,re!! All so awesome!!!
that milt kahl pencil test of roger putting his coat on is my favorite piece of animation ever; i like it better than even its colored and composited final version. anytime i see folks include it my heart sings
Mmm even if CG is a Master piece i just don't like it for anime, idk it just takes something out of the medium. Btw, this is just my humble opinion as a fan, you don't need to agree and you can think CG is amazing. That's just what i feel about CG animation, not disrespecting the hard work, love and passion that the people that work on CG do.
I don’t think it’s fair for us westerners to limit anime to simply 2D art considering how CG was first utilized by Japan in animation before the west ever did it. Like Akira and Char’s Counterattack were both released in 1988 and use CG. What western animators where using CG at that time?
@@thomasffrench3639
The problem isn't the use of CG, bit never using it in shows where it would apply well, and using them in shows where it ends up taking something away.
Look at Berserk, even if the CG there was at this level, it would have never done well. Berserk is a dark fantasy show, set in medieval Europe, drawn in an artistic almost 14th century relief carving way.
A show like that will ALWAYS look off in CGI, it will feel too lifeless for it. Berserk was best done in the 90s style where backgrounds and scenes where handprints, not just 2d.
Look at Dorohedoro, a Dark Death metal inspired world filled with Gore, Guts and Grit. Every line in its manga is scratchy and stainy looking, because it emphasises the dirt and darkness of this world.
Dorohedoro had awesome CG, and it did well, but it didn't get to the level of fame it should have had. The world looked far too, clean, too sterile and too perfect....the CG ended up clashing with the visual style of the work.
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The you see Land of the Lustrous. Perfect Imortal non human Lifeforms, fighting an invasion of celestial beings in an ideally but empty world. The CG fit here properly, the otherness of the characters is perfectly expressed here, their strange dirty movement being encapsulated by the medium. The moon peoples perfection was also enhanced by their perfectly still models.
Look at Gantz, a group of people sent to a strange futuristic hellscaoe and forced to fight eldritch monstrosities. One of the best movies and CGI I've ever seen. The CGI enhances everything from the paradoxical sterilisation of the city, to the disgusting creepiness of the monsters.
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The Problem isn't cgI is bad, but that for some reason people want to force it where its never going to work.
Look at this new Trigun. Did they need CG? Nope. Was it cheaper? NOPE. Was it easier to implement? *HELL NO.* Did it aid in some tense and hard to animate environmental scenes? Most of those didn't even exist in the source material.
Did you have to redesign the character? Nope. Did you have to cut out a fan favourite character? Nope.
You see where people are going with the dislike of this?
My biggest issue with the remake isnt the fact that is cg (even tho thats not ideal) but the fact that they CUT MILLIE, and also vash's new design, BUT THEY CUT MILLIE AND IM NOT HAPPPY FAM
ngl i thought vashes drip was one of my favorite parts of the anime and i’m not a huge fan on the new look but if they respect the og material i’ll watch it all the same
Most replayed is at 4:51 (at time of writing) where that ping made everyone check their pc lol
bro he had no right making me think i was in a discord call😭
i just want to know why they replaced milly with a grizzled old man
First 3 episodes are out and it's amazing! Studio Orange outdid themselves in the action.
I'm not concerned with how it looks thankfully. The removal of Milly on the other hand and making them reporters. And making the new guy a smoker while changing Wolfwood's cig to a lollipop. I'll save my final judgements for when, you know, it comes out
Vaush's character design kills it for me. If they couldn't recreate Mad House's look for him, what's the point?
In anime you see a lot CG phobia, which while i get cause of something like Berserk, recently there has been a lot of passion and effort put into it and that has to be appreciated, although personally i like the original a bit more thanks to its godly art direction😊
Good vid, like always
They made it look like an arcsys game
It just doesnt look too great sometimes. Traditional animation definitely has benefits and cgi is seriously lacking
@@anonymousbiscuit9114 They have a great idea but a pretty lackluster execution.
@@anonymousbiscuit9114 So why not blend the two together, best of both worlds after all.
@@joshjo9405 a lot of anime already do that. Like chainsaw man, fullmetal alchemist, golden kamuy, etc. Some do it well, while others make the cgi stick out like a sore thumb.
Don't know if anyone point this out but it seems like a character is missing🤔
A tall lady that seems to carry a grappling gun.
One thing people, need to understand about orange. They are not afraid to change how their characters look over time. The model we see in this trailer is unlikely to be the same one at the end of the show. Sure, the model might not look gritty and swav right now. But I would be sure as the show moves on things will change. Don't be to quick to judge just from a trailer, wait for the show, who knows, it might fit just right.
Stampeed had no right being as good as it was. The animation was so good during action scenes
kind of have mixed feeling about this, I've been waiting for new trigun movie for so long and I'm glad they made another one, it shame that they have to redesign the character, giving vash a mullet instead of his iconic hair is like making a soup without a salt 😥😥
yeah they made them look like girls, they even whitewash Meryl, why change how she looks and her skin color, if a studio can't bring the original feel of a manga then it is just a failed production
Personally, I really like the remake. It shows a lot of love and care, the animators clearly cared about this series.
I was actually surprised when I gave it a shot yesterday. It's actually really good.
The first episode is free on RUclips now to watch. I like it and the new designs. Their expressions drawn are fantastic.
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@@thoticcusprime9309 💀
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i love how the most rewinded section of the video is a discord vc disconect sound
I think with the anime out and over for now we can all come together and say: Vash is still Vash, regardless of his redesign. I like how the show pulled more stuff from the manga and did a great job mirroring 90s anime's expressiveness in a more modern way. I think both the original anime and the 3D versions are excellent, both as stand alone works and as reference points of study.
Alright, I watched the first episode of the anime and came back to say. As someone who’s favorite anime is trigun I think trigun stampede captured the original trigun in every single thought that they possibly could. The animation is strange to get used to at first however, maryl has some adorable facial expressions. The most important part is Vash is fucking VASH he feels absolutely hopeless, until everyone else is in danger then he absolutely saves the day in only a way vash could. The people working on the show absolutely love it from what I can see and even have and after credit homage to the original show. I’d say so far it’s a masterpiece I might be overhyped, but we will see.
you watched it? the 1st episode already released?? man...i just saw the trailer today....
not a masterpiece omegaLUL
You’re a down bad b**** replying to a 2 month old comment bruh 🤣🤣 it’s still a good show and tells the story much better than the original show. Hope your legs don’t break when you fall off your high horse there chief.
3-d animation is technically cheaper to work with than 2-d. Even with the exhorbitant cost for 3-d software like Maya, once a character is rigged it's very easy to work with and saves a lot of time. I actually went to college for animation and worked with software like Maya. Once I learned it, it was actually possible to animate a whole 30 seconds worth of animation in 2 days if the characters are properly rigged. And also, all character models and background assets are reusable, which also saves time and energy. For 2-d, just 30 seconds worth of animation is going to take 2-3 weeks of time depending on how quickly someone can draw. Backgrounds may have to be redrawn over and over from several different angles when in CG all that has to be adjusted is the 3-d camera. In other words, the time that's saved is worth the price of the software and paying employees a higher wage. It's an investment that pays off really quickly.
As someone who produces animation in the US and Japan, I can tell you first hand CG is definitely more expensive than 2D. There is so much overhead and specialization (hair, fur, cloth simulations, rigging, modeling, fx, etc). Every asset needs to be built and accounted for. I also went to college for animation too :) I think one of the challenges with 2D is that is so hard to find available and skilled animators at the level of quality that people desire. Making the animation in 3D requires less drawing skills, but does require animation and timing skills. Being able to draw animation or paint a background is far less complicated, requiring less people. The 2D animation system, developed over decades is a very well organized and effecient machine. Sadly, wages are very low in Japan and people are often overworked.
@@justinleach9344 That's intriguing, because technically wouldn't the time saved from everything being rigged save money in the long run? I can understand that if it's made for an expensive movie that may not get a sequel, it would more than likely be more expensive than 2-d. But for something like an animated series , the initial investment for building and rigging everything should save time in the long run. Less time that would have been used for drawing poses, frames, backgrounds, etc. That should save the company money from having to pay a monthly salary to their employees, which should create a much faster retun on investment. Since a computer is literally handling all the inbetweens, even with some specialist being needed, the time and money saved should equate to less expenses and more growth in a short amount of time.
I can deal with the design of Vash in this
BUT
Why did they change Wolfwood into a nonsmoker and then add Roberto who does smoke?
I'm also not crazy about his new design but so far I can deal with everyone else's change in design except his, it just doesn't feel like it fits
I think it might be to match the outward appearance of Vash and how he looks a lot more youthful now, but it just doesn't really register in my mind that this is supposed to be the same character, that is as long as you didn't see him with his giant cross gun
Dude, wtf happend to badass Meryl who walked around in a coat full of guns? She's a generic female insert now.
One of the first anime's I ever watched was Trigun so it holds a very special place in my heart. So to hear it coming back I honestly don't care too much about it being CGI I'm just excited to see this lovable moron shouting "LOVE AND PEACE!" while crossing his fingers together once more.
The remake is actually good. people sleeping on this. I say this as a long time fan of the original and the manga.
For me CG feels strange because I didn't experience it enough. It looks choppy even if it isn't. My simple brain just work in a different speed. As result of that it comes as a little lifeless no matter how much the lighting and details are tweaked...
Probably bc of motion blur. It tends to not have it, so you literally dont see the movement flow
As much as I understand anime fan's aversion to CG anime if we completely stop animators from using the tool we will never get it to the quality that it potentially has. Unlike other fields, animation does not have a lot of time for practice runs due to the nature of the medium being time consuming and tedious so the only time animators can experiment with new technologies is with actually using it at an approved for air production. Sometimes this will end up with certain technologies being bad for a while because artists will be beginners at it, ergo anime fan's bias towards cgi due to past experience.
CG, however, is a very powerful tool, just look at Pixar and Into the Spiderverse bringing out its full potential. If there is any studio out there who works with CGI because they have a passion for the medium it is studio Orange. Their portfolio should be enough to prove that they have what it takes to make a cgi anime look amazing.
Hell no, they could`ve make such a great adaptation with Orange skills but.... this character design... it just kills all the vibe. Why?
I'm personally much more concerned about the soundtrack. so far what we've heard from the trailers is so generic compared to Tsuneo Imahori's genius score in the original
I'ma be real I think the new trigun CG goes hard. I dig it alot
Lmaoooooo gutter trash
Now that the first episode is out, thr CG is actually really good
Just watched the first episode. Still sad that they changed Milly for a drunk old man but honestly... it is... quite good. I initially really disliked Vash's new hair, but now I understand how time consuming it'd be to animate his spiky hairdo. (Still miss his amazing coat tho)
Vash's and Meryl's voices are awesome and the animation is great too. I'm glad I went into it with zero expectations since I'm pleasantly surprised. Tho yes, only the first episode. Won't get too excited yet lol.
I just don't understand why they had to remove all the details that made Vash look so awesome.
Why does he have a single piece hoodie with a zipper instead of a buttoned leather coat separating into multiple sections? Why no belts on the undersuit? Why are his glasses not small? Why do does the sides of his hair need to be a different color?
Also the plot reveal at the start? It feels cheesy, I can't get behind the character designs and apparent story changes.
I understand both of you. What was a mystery in the og anime was revealed in the first episode.. I dont know. For us, who already know, it may be not too wild. But maybe there are people who haven't watched it and Stampede is their first... It kinda takes something away. The original anime was goofy with certain seriousness until it slowly revealed bits and pieces and turned darker and darker and kept you wondering and now... Served on a siver platter?
Also what did you think about the second episode? I found it quite...bad? Suddenly you ought to feel sympathy for the Nebraskas? They celebrated in the end like in a cheesy disney movie as if nothing bad happened? Wtf. I don't know how to feel exactly but I really did not like that change at all.
Also the exposition about Knives feels weird.
I just hope they don't fuck up Wolfwood and Legato too much.
@@JuveliaL. Its out? I didn't see they new episode yet. I'll let you know what I think when I watch it.
@@JuveliaL. I feel like its toned down. Maybe just me but it feels like its made for a younger audience. Im sure Gofsef will be fine next episode. I did like it more than first episode, not that is saying much.
I have never watched trigun and most of the cg here looks okay but I hop that any cg animes that come out in the future handle their cg like chainsaw man
The difference though is that chainsaw man is still primarily 2d and trigun is primarily 3d. Not saying that chainsaw man is bad but they are using cgi in different ways. In chainsaw man it is to “cut corners” in animation and in trigun, it is an aesthetic choice.
I do enjoy chainsaw man and I am heavily looking forward to trigun.
not gonna lie is very good thought, its better than most of the anime ofc lmao
Looks stunning
They could have just simplified the hair design in cg like they did in the anime instead of giving him a modern eboy cut...
I personally think it looks incredible. You can feel whatever you want about the designs themselves but you can't deny the animation as a whole is very fluid and expressive, as expected from Orange.
It could be Pixar quality, but as soon as you turn one of the most iconic character designs of 90s anime into a E-Boy tiktok star you've lost me. the designs are "topical" not timeless.
All flash, no grit.
3d is ok, but changing the hair styles and removing character is unacceptable. this vash looks like a feminist.
I don't care if it's CGI. It's done by studio Orange, It's beautiful and I love it!
at 4:52 That call disconnect made me think I was still in a call without realizing it-
I was a big fan of the original anime and later the manga. The thing that will throw it for me is the voice acting. I sincerely hope the main cast will return!!
Great video... The channel is underrated.
thanks :)
Massively
I'm late to the party but I'll say I have no issue with the anime being CGI. I have issue with the overall art design. The designs look like generic J-RPG fantasy and not the Futuristic Old West meets the 90's meets Heavy Metal magazine the way the original did. Think about Vash's design he's wearing a duster that is clearly a civil war era uniform coat and is wearing glasses eerily similar to Mickey Knox in "Natural Born Killers" his designs screams desperado, killer, gun slinger, and the goofy visual gags and Vash's kind/pacifist nature goes against the very design of the character which is why Vash is so fun. What is the design here for Vash in the remake, besides Kirito with gun in red with Cyberpunk 2077 hair and glasses.
Having only seen what's in this video, I have a problem with the shading on the models. It's hard to describe exactly what feels wrong, but I think it is that all of the characters are very "pastel" and smooth, while the backgrounds are more crunchy and look like they have texture. Like, looking at them in the car at 5:07 the characters and the background look like they are from two different shows.
like it's not that the cg work or the models are bad, it just doesn't look like it belongs in the world the backgrounds are showing.
Always stayed up to watch the original on toonami back in the early 2000's. Bummer about the changes but I get it. They would have had to have a whole team just for his hair if they tried to use the original design. As long as the story is still old west wackiness with weird sci-fi science, it will be fine. Cause that is what really drew me into the series in the first place. The mix of new and old worked so well. Maybe we will get new Lore as well? The manga covered everything pretty well, but some new explanations on how things work would be cool.
I saw LotL & it EASILY became a fav(I eventually read the manga which is like a top 5 for me now). Beastars in terms of purely production is even better in a lot of ways. For me I'll always go for 2D over 3DCG but if it's Orange I don't got anythin to worry bout even as someone used to the OG Trigun anime. Tho this means I gotta wait for a LotL s2 EVEN LONGER AGHAGHGAGAHAGHAAHAAGAGHGAGHHAGAHHAGGHHHHHHH
Watched the first episode and I'm absolutely stunned by how gorgeous it looks. Never watched the original but might watch the old one as I watch the new one
The discord call sound at 4:52 really threw me off lol
Okay why are we all focusing on the CGI and not on the fact that they got rid of Milly?!? I mean . . . WHY?
Vash gets his signature spikey hair in Trigun fun maximum. It could mean that studio orange is starting before the original anime and Vash getting his signature hairdo will be a major plot point.
Doesn’t seem so since you see characters and fights that happen further into the manga. This seems to be anime original or “reimagining”
God I'm so sorry but 3D will keep me from watching a anime. RIP the new Trigun for me, one of the biggest reasons I watch anime is because of amazing hand drawn ART. CG just feels soulless to me, even Disney CG movies don't hit as hard as their old 2D movies.
First I've heard of a trigun remake, hope it goes well.
Wouldve enjoyed this if they gave this to Trigger Studio
I haven't seen the original trigun, i have watched the first 2 episodes of this, the animation is honestly stellar, super fluid and expressive characters with a unique artstyle, and the story intrigues me so far, idk maybe it ruined the original or something but i enjoy the show.
Lmao
I was not expecting this but I'm so happy it's here
I watched that anime on netflix via wii
Loved the video and just finished Stampede. For everyone worried about his hair being different and Milly not being present, this is a prequel to the manga and 90s anime.
my only gripe with cg is that characters no matter how you animate it just dont feel alive in a lot of scenes, in this video alone i noticed a couple scenes that have me worried. but overall the action part looks great.
it's seriously weird how they think that in a story about a gunman in a wasteland planet, they gave Vash new design a very stylish modern look, it literally kills his character in so many ways
After watching a couple of episodes of the new show I can certainly appreciate the hard work Studio Orange did for it, but sadly, it's not the Vash I grew up with. He's not goofy enough. What makes Vash truly remarkable to me as a distinct protagonist is how Looney Tunes'ish he is with his expressions that are borderline ridiculous, but sets him apart from other "badass gunslingers". I can definitely understand that from a technical level it would be challenging to deform the 3D models in a way to give him truly absurd expressions, but the lack of that fails to deliver what made Vash truly memorable for me. I'm not a huge fan of his new design either, looks a bit generic. The animation and action scenes look TOP NOTCH, though. Can't complain there.
Spike Head! Thats important design for Vash. And please the gun design was jarring for me, because in the Manga anda Remake Manga, the gritty and raw power of gunpowders made was and is still the lives and vibes for this manga!
Compare to the redesign of the gun (Vash's White Underbarrel Revolver is so iconic that if you dont use it then it is not your everyday Vash) and Wolfwood Crossgun with laser (it is just yuck to this point).
I know I love another take in Trigun manga to anime or other platform made it gain more fanbase and we the early fans can smile to meet the old friend Vash, but please dont alienate the Early Fanbase to made this acceptable in terms of new marketing.
Another take of mine is Trigun is based on Dark and Spiritual thought of us Human to create and play God, so despite the fun and engaging action, I really hope the true massage aren't lost. 🙏
So has anyone realized that trigun has had horrible action scenes in the past but in cg we can see vash as he is meant to be. That's got me excited. Even the author of the Manga wasn't so good with action segments. I mean vash is meant to be able to move fast enough to DODGE BULLETS he will be able to do that in cg.
That’s about as shallow of a take as I’ve ever seen.
@@KirbyOnCronic a take based on research and the beliefe that any new trigun is good? Because i love the material unconditionally? That's shallow?
@@BrosBGaming you still loved it, even with the action scenes you call horrible.
They shouldn't have changed the character models so much, Vash looks like a middle school emo kid. And hell they even got rid of a whole character with Millie. And the music is run of the mill modern anime music. Void completely of the character and vibe of the OG. Just my opinion though!
i have a feeling Millie will be in the new show in some form, she just might not have been shown in the trailers. if shes not ill be super disappointed
one thing to understand about the cost of running a business that focuses on art is that alot of people think that they dont have to buy the art supplies every week- two weeks depending on how much they do, how many errors they need to fix or redo, and how many artist are working at one time is that it isnt true that is one of the upkeep costs it adds up and gets expensive fast but having to buy a set of computers (Which you will be doing regardless otherwise how will you get it made digital so it can be on tv etc?) and the program which helps with the animation might sound expensive to someone who doesnt know anything about it but stop and think unless you mess up and get the subscription for those things (not recommended) its normally just one upfront cost, depending on what it is the "Business" license of it could say cost $1000-$3000 (Which for what it is is kinda cheap at the $1000 mark) and that is a one time purchase and now you have paid one amount for anywhere between 4-12 if not more people to now use the program and now they can make corrections as many times as needed and further edits all without needing to buy more paper, pencils, color items, erasers, etc. So yes doing the digital work like that is cheaper as far as supplies goes and not adding in if people are paid more for knowing the program or not. That is completely different as that isnt a supply cost.
Also love the bit in the bottom left at 0:09 about the British discord🤣
The CG seems fine to me, I'm interested about the new looks for the characters, and I'd love to see Trigun's VERY 90's humour spiced up-- but I am RATHER UPSET that they REPLACED MILLIE! Not only is she AWESOME, but also she's TOP TIER example of positive femininity in anime... not a sentence you get to say every day.
Like, the fact that she was a very strong, wise, and determined career woman who was also nurturing and in-touch with her feelings, and that she had a couple of flaws (naivete and gluttony) which are divorced from her gender because her female senior officer lacked them, AND that those flaws are echoed in the male main protag! She also is able to fall in love without being subservient.
She's still a static character, but ya' don't need an arc to be well-written.
I think I miss the 90 and 00s anime era because there are no shortcuts in drawing and animating it.
6:06 Man who needs pencil and paper to animate is in fact more expensive. Because 1) competent traditional animation is a rarer skill-set than competent 3D animation and takes longer to master, and 2) he takes longer to animate the same length clip.
So it's harder (=more expensive) to find staff for a big traditionally animated project, co-ordinating the production of hand-drawn art is difficult logistically (=more expensive), and it takes more man-hours to produce each episode (=more expensive).
I can't believe they'd get rid of his classic glasses in favor of something more generic looking..
It's like remakes want to take away what made things unique, while trying to maintain that uniqueness but in a new way.. that hardly ever works.
Hopefully I'll be wrong about Trigun, as the original holds a very close place to my heart.. as someone who grew up with his own share of troubles, the original helped me to navigate those difficult times while teaching me valuable lessons.
They HAVE to do it justice, as I believe that the themes and character's perspectives would help a lot of people today as it helped me then.. who knows, might even remind people of their good nature.
I noticed you used a clip of Dr. Eggman/Robotnik disguised as Sonic jumping on top of a few cars from Sonic: Man of the Year in this video. Would it be possible for you to talk about the animation of Sonic CD Intro & Ending since Toei Animation made it or the opening of Sonic Riders since the animation studios that worked on that opening also worked on Attack On Titans someday?
i've considered it since it's been requested before but i''ve got some other topics i want to hit on atm
@@forgottenrelics1197 Okay. I'll be waiting for the day it comes