I kind of think force production may be the primary factor in both sports. Power is the area under the force-distance curve, which you can reform into F*v, but the v component doesn't necessarily mean what people think, and there are different stages to a clean, jerk, and snatch where you have work performed in different ways. What most people mean when they say "rate of force production" comes down to the peak force production over a shorter duration, which is the area under the force-time curve, and that's called impulse, not power. How fast the bar travels after one of the pull phases of an Olympic lift is a product of peak force expressed during the beginning of the pull. To wit, if you have a higher peak force during the second pull phase, then the bar travels faster into the turnover phase, but that velocity requires almost no power to maintain; it's your body that has move under the bar (mobility factor). Whether or not you can stand the snatch up depends on your ability to perform an OHS at that weight, which is just plain force production. The velocity of the bar is only indirectly related to the force production from the second pull, and directly related to acceleration. But once accelerated, the force requirement to keep the bar moving up is low. Do I misunderstand something here? Not asking for laymen explanation of "weightlifting is power training". I don't necessarily agree with that. Running a marathon is high power. Sprinting is low power. I would argue so too is kettlebell sport high power and weightlifting low power. The difference between powerlifting and weightlifting would then be that powerlifting increases total force applied over the entire distance traveled by the bar, whereas weightlifting increases total force in steeper but much shorter interval of time at the outset of the pull phase.
12:32pm EST -- Your guest left out 1 important category of needed specialty for elite level competitive training. Performance--Agilie/Dexterity; my term, IDK what it may be already... called. But, w/Oly. Weightlifting, some CrossFit & 🌎 Strongest Man/Woman competitive events, hg. performance dexterity is key to safety as well as one's ranking-effectiveness.
I have watched a few Attia videos, have yet to come across any mention of Tempo runs. As I understand it he does zone 2, zone 5 and strength work. Is there any place for tempo runs?
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I kind of think force production may be the primary factor in both sports. Power is the area under the force-distance curve, which you can reform into F*v, but the v component doesn't necessarily mean what people think, and there are different stages to a clean, jerk, and snatch where you have work performed in different ways. What most people mean when they say "rate of force production" comes down to the peak force production over a shorter duration, which is the area under the force-time curve, and that's called impulse, not power. How fast the bar travels after one of the pull phases of an Olympic lift is a product of peak force expressed during the beginning of the pull. To wit, if you have a higher peak force during the second pull phase, then the bar travels faster into the turnover phase, but that velocity requires almost no power to maintain; it's your body that has move under the bar (mobility factor). Whether or not you can stand the snatch up depends on your ability to perform an OHS at that weight, which is just plain force production. The velocity of the bar is only indirectly related to the force production from the second pull, and directly related to acceleration. But once accelerated, the force requirement to keep the bar moving up is low. Do I misunderstand something here? Not asking for laymen explanation of "weightlifting is power training". I don't necessarily agree with that. Running a marathon is high power. Sprinting is low power. I would argue so too is kettlebell sport high power and weightlifting low power. The difference between powerlifting and weightlifting would then be that powerlifting increases total force applied over the entire distance traveled by the bar, whereas weightlifting increases total force in steeper but much shorter interval of time at the outset of the pull phase.
12:32pm EST -- Your guest left out 1 important category of needed specialty for elite level competitive training. Performance--Agilie/Dexterity; my term, IDK what it may be already...
called. But, w/Oly. Weightlifting, some CrossFit & 🌎 Strongest Man/Woman competitive events, hg. performance dexterity is key to safety as well as one's ranking-effectiveness.
I have watched a few Attia videos, have yet to come across any mention of Tempo runs. As I understand it he does zone 2, zone 5 and strength work. Is there any place for tempo runs?