Greetings, Frank. Was just watching this video, and I figured I'd jump in and confirm something. Hot Start is comprised of 2 developers. Saso (totoritko) is the coding genius. So he made the CL650 come to life with all the wizardry that makes it fly. And myself. I gave the CL650 what it needed to make it look as close to a CL650 as possible. Inside and out. Love the video, by the way.
I was never good at doing my research, which explains why I was never more than an average student. Apologies for not giving you the credit due you, that you earned, in the video. I like to give it to you now. The aircraft looks amazing. I'm sure you've heard that before, but it does. Oops. I meant to say I hate the way the Challenger looks. :-)
@@leadingedgesimulations7695 Great video Frank; and how can two people make a product like this and not cut any corners, and this isn't blowing smoke up your ass; what you've both done is witchcraft, I purchased this addon too by the way and I'm guessing you both made the TBM too? Which I also have. As frank says, the price is incredibly low, I paid £95 British for mine, absolutely fantastic value. Also Frank sorry for using a message sent to you to reply to a dev! This is the first time I've come across your channel but great content friend and you have another subscriber!
@@n1msu Hi James. Apologies, I only just got this notification. (I don't go on this account often). Thank you for the comments, and yes, we made the TBM, also. And an A220 is on the way.
Thank you for the video Mr. White. I must admit that this aircraft is way out there. I have not flown it yet as I need to upgrade my computer (too busy at the moment) but when I do this will be the first aircraft purchased. It looks amazing and credit to the guys for developing it. You have done an amazing and outstanding job. Congratulations! Thank you for the video. regards from Wales
I bought the challenger 650 software, but I can’t seem to get it to work on my computer. I even bought some scenery thinking I needed that. I hope I get it to run because I fly one for real as captain.
Let's figure out what you need to get wheels up. First, let's move the conversation to someplace where we can follow better and get support from the flight sim community. Please create an account at X-Pilot.com (hyphen required) and repost your issue there (I'll provide a full link below). Could you include as much detail as possible to describe your issue? I would suggest that you include the X-Plane log file which can be found wherever X-plane lives (i.g. "C:\X-Plane 12"). The file name is Log.txt. You can upload it in your post. forums.x-pilot.com/forums/forum/272-technical-support/ The Hot Start Challenger 650 has become an unofficial training tool for many real-world CL60 pilots.
The only legitimate reason I hate the challenger 650 by hotstart? It’s not my type of plane. I’ve always been an airliner kind of sim pilot, and I really have no interest flying a corporate/private jet style aircraft. That’s on me, not hotstart. But with all the amazing features they have in this aircraft that make it a realistic and immersive pilot simulator beyond actually flying the plane, it makes me super excited that they are apparently making an A220.
Great video and very true what you say. I’ve been flying nothing else since it came out 12 months ago, when I get in another aircraft whatever it maybe it doesent “do it” for me anymore, I can’t fly anything else I’m afraid and I have them all in XP and FS2020, Flight Factor, Toliss, pmdg, nothing whatsoever comes anywhere near to the Challenger….and what a guy/team they are get to have the knowledge to make something what is completely NUTS!! 👍😀✈️
A flight simulator is, like the name says, a SIMULATOR. I have zero interest in sh!tty arcade planes released almost monthly all over place for the various flight sims that exist (XP, DCS, MSFS, P3D) with half of the systems and functions not functional inside the cockpit, everything dumbed down and simplified in unrealistic ways, only capable to go from A to B with normal operations and NOTHING ELSE possible (not even the circuit breakers simulated, no interesting failures simulated, nothing). One true-to-the-core real study level simulator for 100 Dollar beats five 20$ trash-planes i loose interest in after five minutes when noticing that nothing is really simulated there except a simplified dumbed-down FMC and only 50% of the buttons and functions, and no failures or electrical systems at all. If I wanted simplified dumbed-down aircraft I go to a bridge fold a paper plane and say "psiiiiuuuuuu!" (or launch Ace Combat which has about the same simulation and system depth as a paper plane). Top notch simulator adons like the Fenix Airbus, the DCS F-jets, the Hotstart Challenger is the one and true interesting technical challenge I expect from a true SIMULATOR in 2023 ;) This Challenger is the hottest candidate to fly while waiting for the big Fenix Airbus IAE update.
Hear here. I've been flying the "dumb down'" aircraft for years, 'cause I didn't know any better (and nothing else was available). Now I do. I really, really, hope that other devs follow Hotstart's lead, and create aircraft that rivals the CL650. At the moment, I waiting on Hotstart's TBM for XP12 and am looking forward to Hotstart's rumored A220. Ditto, on the 1 awesome $100 plane versus 5 crummy $20 planes. Thanks Julia, for your comments.
@@VirtualAviationAviator Hi :) No one ever will rival the Hotstart Challenger, because a developer team trying to do so needs to have engineers who originally build this plane and parts of it´s systems in their team. I have tested the Challenger yesterday for the first time, and the amount of detail is absolute the best of the best! These developers have even added the option to look at watt voltage ampere hertz and whatnot of every single transformer-rectifier unit in that plane (plus a detailed description for interested newbies what every internal part of the airplane does), all the pressures temps and mass flow inside the compressor stages can be looked at, even the air conditioning system, temperature and amount of oil in the oil sumps and oil circuits and temperature of the windows can be checked...... This goes so far beyond everything I think only engineers from Canadair-Bombardier (plus some guys from the maintenance crew) are able to deliver such a level of realism. Because no common computer software developer knows any of these ultra detailed super-interesting technical things ;) not even the pilots...... only electrical engineers do. And that´s why it´s the PERFECT simulated plane, it´s for engineers - who also love to fly.
Best plane I own in my X-Plane library. I bought it at a Buy Here, Pay Here plane dealership. Those $5 a week payments are killing me. You cracked me up with this video and gave me a deep laugh with the humor. I thank you for that.
One more comment now I've watched all of the video; I hate it because I'll never be flying her in real life. I love her because I don't need to be able to fly her in real life.
Greetings. It seems like the thread is still active so thank you for that. Would you recommend any other private jets that are available? Thanks in advance
That's a good question. Obviously, no other biz jet exist that compares to the CL650, yet. I like the default Citation X by LR. I recently purchased the GLF 550 (store.x-plane.org/GLF550--Ultimate-Business-Jet-by-AKD-Studio_p_1655.html) and I am pleasantly surprised. I expected to waste my money, but I actually like the plane, so far. Gulfstream is so anal from what I've heard that developers can't use the term Gulfstream in the title. I don't think the word shows anywhere... but I digress. It might be worth giving it a shot if you really like biz jets. The Citation C560XL (store.x-plane.org/Citation-C-560XL-by-AirSim3D-XP12_p_1719.html) could possibly grow on you. While I think it's a bit over-priced it is a nice airplane.
@@VirtualAviationAviatorI agree, I love the AKD G550 and yes at first it was difficult for me to learn how to fly it but after 2 attempts I got the hang of it and love it
... except for this plane. It really is worth the price. Actually, I don't mind paying for what I get. Some planes aren't worth $20 and some might be worth a lot more. Just depends on what the developer is willing to do. If 98% of a complex aircraft with a complex computer system is modeled 98% correctly, not to mention the other learning aids, then $115 is fair, IMO. Checkout @foxtrotalphaaviation for what this plane and sim model is capable of.
Do you say the same when you purchase software, flight tickets, electronics in the same category and so forth? Id love to see you apply this logic when buying a laptop. "No one laptop should cost more than $500. No one!"
Are you really comparing the physical product or service to digital copy? And yes, I'm agree that this plane is very good. But in comparison to other cool planes it definitely overpriced.@@MrGyngve
@@experimentator131 Please tell me how software has a limit to value where hardware does not! If you claim that virtual planes should not cost more than 80 (USD I assume), you are pretty much saying that regardless of work hours/amount of laborers involved, they are not worth more, and that is a rather strange consumer logic. If someone spends a lot of hard work developing a superb piece of software, they should charge more than mediocre competitors. And as long as people are willing to pay 60-80 bucks for mediocre products, the better ones can justifiably be sold at a higher price.
@@MrGyngve We're speaking here about a virtual addon to the flight sim, not other software or hardware. And a price of more than 80 bucks is a fair price for such kind of products. Compared to other excellent products (not mediocre, but really great ones), I'm not taking this number just out of my head. And it's my opinion after all. You don't need to agree.
Challenger 650 Captain. Yes, I use this. $120 for this is like giving it away for free. It is amazing. However, my Intel i5 9600K 3.7GHz and Invidia 2070 runs it OK, but I have to dial down the settings to keep decent frame rates compared to other add on planes.
I get the frame rate issue. Hopefully, the sim will get better optimization so that 20FPS becomes the absolute minimum on most modern PC systems. Thanks for commenting, @texasgunfyter.
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Greetings, Frank. Was just watching this video, and I figured I'd jump in and confirm something. Hot Start is comprised of 2 developers. Saso (totoritko) is the coding genius. So he made the CL650 come to life with all the wizardry that makes it fly. And myself. I gave the CL650 what it needed to make it look as close to a CL650 as possible. Inside and out. Love the video, by the way.
I was never good at doing my research, which explains why I was never more than an average student. Apologies for not giving you the credit due you, that you earned, in the video. I like to give it to you now.
The aircraft looks amazing. I'm sure you've heard that before, but it does. Oops. I meant to say I hate the way the Challenger looks. :-)
@@VirtualAviationAviator No apologies necessary. Just keep making us smile by making more of your funny and goofy videos. All the best!
@@leadingedgesimulations7695 Great video Frank; and how can two people make a product like this and not cut any corners, and this isn't blowing smoke up your ass; what you've both done is witchcraft, I purchased this addon too by the way and I'm guessing you both made the TBM too? Which I also have.
As frank says, the price is incredibly low, I paid £95 British for mine, absolutely fantastic value. Also Frank sorry for using a message sent to you to reply to a dev! This is the first time I've come across your channel but great content friend and you have another subscriber!
@@n1msu Hi James. Apologies, I only just got this notification. (I don't go on this account often). Thank you for the comments, and yes, we made the TBM, also. And an A220 is on the way.
I am hoping they update their TBM for XP12. Still patiently waiting!!
Me too. They are working on it. Occasionally, I'll see an update on their Discord channel.
Thank you for the video Mr. White. I must admit that this aircraft is way out there. I have not flown it yet as I need to upgrade my computer (too busy at the moment) but when I do this will be the first aircraft purchased. It looks amazing and credit to the guys for developing it. You have done an amazing and outstanding job. Congratulations! Thank you for the video. regards from Wales
Thank you for the kind words, GHL. Once you upgrade your PC, and jump into the cockpit of this aircraft, you'll love it.
FInally an aircraft that takes longer to get going than a DCS plane... Love it. Shared cockpit experience too... Great video, great AC.
Thanks for commenting. I can hardly keep up with the procedures flying commercial and GA aircraft. I can't imagine flying military jets in DCS.
simulate=emulate. Exactly THE word I was thinking just before you said it in your review. All the best Frank.
Thanks for your commenting, James.
Heck I’d say it’s more realistic than the actual real world version 😉👍
hahaha... Sho, yo right!
I bought the challenger 650 software, but I can’t seem to get it to work on my computer. I even bought some scenery thinking I needed that. I hope I get it to run because I fly one for real as captain.
Let's figure out what you need to get wheels up. First, let's move the conversation to someplace where we can follow better and get support from the flight sim community. Please create an account at X-Pilot.com (hyphen required) and repost your issue there (I'll provide a full link below). Could you include as much detail as possible to describe your issue? I would suggest that you include the X-Plane log file which can be found wherever X-plane lives (i.g. "C:\X-Plane 12"). The file name is Log.txt. You can upload it in your post. forums.x-pilot.com/forums/forum/272-technical-support/
The Hot Start Challenger 650 has become an unofficial training tool for many real-world CL60 pilots.
I'd love an aircraft with HotStart's quality but with steam gauges.
I think the upcoming Black Square Beechcraft Dukes for MSFS will scratch that itch.
The only legitimate reason I hate the challenger 650 by hotstart? It’s not my type of plane. I’ve always been an airliner kind of sim pilot, and I really have no interest flying a corporate/private jet style aircraft. That’s on me, not hotstart. But with all the amazing features they have in this aircraft that make it a realistic and immersive pilot simulator beyond actually flying the plane, it makes me super excited that they are apparently making an A220.
Yuo. The A220 oughta be awesome.
Frank do you have Pilot2atc if did you have any issues?Thanks Dave
I have Pilot2Atc. I haven't used it in a couple years.
Great video and very true what you say. I’ve been flying nothing else since it came out 12 months ago, when I get in another aircraft whatever it maybe it doesent “do it” for me anymore, I can’t fly anything else I’m afraid and I have them all in XP and FS2020, Flight Factor, Toliss, pmdg, nothing whatsoever comes anywhere near to the Challenger….and what a guy/team they are get to have the knowledge to make something what is completely NUTS!! 👍😀✈️
I know exactly what you mean about other aircraft. While I still fly them, and will continue to do so, they don't quite "do it" for me either.
A flight simulator is, like the name says, a SIMULATOR. I have zero interest in sh!tty arcade planes released almost monthly all over place for the various flight sims that exist (XP, DCS, MSFS, P3D) with half of the systems and functions not functional inside the cockpit, everything dumbed down and simplified in unrealistic ways, only capable to go from A to B with normal operations and NOTHING ELSE possible (not even the circuit breakers simulated, no interesting failures simulated, nothing). One true-to-the-core real study level simulator for 100 Dollar beats five 20$ trash-planes i loose interest in after five minutes when noticing that nothing is really simulated there except a simplified dumbed-down FMC and only 50% of the buttons and functions, and no failures or electrical systems at all.
If I wanted simplified dumbed-down aircraft I go to a bridge fold a paper plane and say "psiiiiuuuuuu!" (or launch Ace Combat which has about the same simulation and system depth as a paper plane). Top notch simulator adons like the Fenix Airbus, the DCS F-jets, the Hotstart Challenger is the one and true interesting technical challenge I expect from a true SIMULATOR in 2023 ;)
This Challenger is the hottest candidate to fly while waiting for the big Fenix Airbus IAE update.
Hear here. I've been flying the "dumb down'" aircraft for years, 'cause I didn't know any better (and nothing else was available). Now I do. I really, really, hope that other devs follow Hotstart's lead, and create aircraft that rivals the CL650. At the moment, I waiting on Hotstart's TBM for XP12 and am looking forward to Hotstart's rumored A220. Ditto, on the 1 awesome $100 plane versus 5 crummy $20 planes.
Thanks Julia, for your comments.
@@VirtualAviationAviator Hi :) No one ever will rival the Hotstart Challenger, because a developer team trying to do so needs to have engineers who originally build this plane and parts of it´s systems in their team. I have tested the Challenger yesterday for the first time, and the amount of detail is absolute the best of the best! These developers have even added the option to look at watt voltage ampere hertz and whatnot of every single transformer-rectifier unit in that plane (plus a detailed description for interested newbies what every internal part of the airplane does), all the pressures temps and mass flow inside the compressor stages can be looked at, even the air conditioning system, temperature and amount of oil in the oil sumps and oil circuits and temperature of the windows can be checked...... This goes so far beyond everything I think only engineers from Canadair-Bombardier (plus some guys from the maintenance crew) are able to deliver such a level of realism.
Because no common computer software developer knows any of these ultra detailed super-interesting technical things ;) not even the pilots...... only electrical engineers do. And that´s why it´s the PERFECT simulated plane, it´s for engineers - who also love to fly.
Toto is a Modern day Einstein
Yup.🙂
Best plane I own in my X-Plane library. I bought it at a Buy Here, Pay Here plane dealership. Those $5 a week payments are killing me. You cracked me up with this video and gave me a deep laugh with the humor. I thank you for that.
Buy Here, Pay Here plane dealership... I know, right? Hopefully, you'll get it paid off in a few years.
One more comment now I've watched all of the video; I hate it because I'll never be flying her in real life. I love her because I don't need to be able to fly her in real life.
Thanks for commenting.
Already for the three fueling panels I would pay 1400 $ haha
hahaha... Thanks for commenting.
Greetings. It seems like the thread is still active so thank you for that. Would you recommend any other private jets that are available?
Thanks in advance
That's a good question. Obviously, no other biz jet exist that compares to the CL650, yet. I like the default Citation X by LR. I recently purchased the GLF 550 (store.x-plane.org/GLF550--Ultimate-Business-Jet-by-AKD-Studio_p_1655.html) and I am pleasantly surprised. I expected to waste my money, but I actually like the plane, so far. Gulfstream is so anal from what I've heard that developers can't use the term Gulfstream in the title. I don't think the word shows anywhere... but I digress. It might be worth giving it a shot if you really like biz jets. The Citation C560XL (store.x-plane.org/Citation-C-560XL-by-AirSim3D-XP12_p_1719.html) could possibly grow on you. While I think it's a bit over-priced it is a nice airplane.
@@VirtualAviationAviatorI agree, I love the AKD G550 and yes at first it was difficult for me to learn how to fly it but after 2 attempts I got the hang of it and love it
This video and comments made by employees? Lol, stop smoking dope dude.
You've gotten some saliva going
Huh?
@@VirtualAviationAviator it sounds like you got much saliva haha
@@hephep22314what a disrespectful comment. You could've just you know, not...
No one virtual plane should cost more than $80. No one!
... except for this plane. It really is worth the price. Actually, I don't mind paying for what I get. Some planes aren't worth $20 and some might be worth a lot more. Just depends on what the developer is willing to do. If 98% of a complex aircraft with a complex computer system is modeled 98% correctly, not to mention the other learning aids, then $115 is fair, IMO. Checkout @foxtrotalphaaviation for what this plane and sim model is capable of.
Do you say the same when you purchase software, flight tickets, electronics in the same category and so forth? Id love to see you apply this logic when buying a laptop. "No one laptop should cost more than $500. No one!"
Are you really comparing the physical product or service to digital copy? And yes, I'm agree that this plane is very good. But in comparison to other cool planes it definitely overpriced.@@MrGyngve
@@experimentator131 Please tell me how software has a limit to value where hardware does not!
If you claim that virtual planes should not cost more than 80 (USD I assume), you are pretty much saying that regardless of work hours/amount of laborers involved, they are not worth more, and that is a rather strange consumer logic.
If someone spends a lot of hard work developing a superb piece of software, they should charge more than mediocre competitors. And as long as people are willing to pay 60-80 bucks for mediocre products, the better ones can justifiably be sold at a higher price.
@@MrGyngve We're speaking here about a virtual addon to the flight sim, not other software or hardware. And a price of more than 80 bucks is a fair price for such kind of products. Compared to other excellent products (not mediocre, but really great ones), I'm not taking this number just out of my head. And it's my opinion after all. You don't need to agree.
Such BS
I know, right?
Hi Frank, why do you talk about something, you absolutely know nothing about and you don't understand?
You lower your credit (if you have any).
What is it that you think I know nothing about or don't understand?
Challenger 650 Captain. Yes, I use this. $120 for this is like giving it away for free. It is amazing. However, my Intel i5 9600K 3.7GHz and Invidia 2070 runs it OK, but I have to dial down the settings to keep decent frame rates compared to other add on planes.
I get the frame rate issue. Hopefully, the sim will get better optimization so that 20FPS becomes the absolute minimum on most modern PC systems.
Thanks for commenting, @texasgunfyter.