I bloody knew you were a filthy meta gamer! Glad to see part two of the tournament and it was a clutch edit to boot. Lovely work as always mate keep it up
Those rolls mate! Good to see the microwave getting a workout. 😏 Don’t mind either way with seige equipment. Don’t enjoy the auto kill, but glad to see this legion being nurfed to bring it back from op
The result of my recent "Monster and Men" tournament, in which a modified Mordor Troll/Ent was added to each army, yielded a kill count of 92 kills by 14 Trolls/Ents in 28 games. It follows that a Troll model that kills more than 3 models in each game delivers an above-average performance. ... Play AoHD the said, it will be fun the said ... and it's gone xD
Haha that is crazy isn't it! I really think that they need a boost, monstrous charge could do it. Its crazy to think that a single man sized model can stop a charging troll.
@@dicedrinksanddadjokes men size .... nasty little hobbit! The victory of the tournament, was an alliance between Lothlórien and the Shire ;-). In the last tournament, I buffed the monsters with magic resistance and an independent hero profile of 1/1/1. At the end of September, I will organze the second age of Monster Men Tournament, where all monsters use the Troll Chieftain profile from Baradur (on the good side, it's an Ent with the same profile). I have also considered buffing the monster with modified 'Relentless Advance,' to facilitate the positioning and movement of the monster, the issue simply lies in its large base. Also have to say that when each army has a monster, it's a strategy to duel monster vs monster to gain as much time as possible to play the scenario.
Alright mate, quick question. The rules state you dont need direct LOS only from a fellow model somewhere on the board, so how do you determine in the ways?
I once took a Mordor war catapult into my buddies fiefdom list. I tried to warn him that he should spread out even though he's a death ball army, maybe go for the side objectives so he wouldn't be so clumped up. But no, he was certain. So turn 1 i shot Imrahil off his horse and killed a small blob of pikeman and he scooped. This here is the heart of the issue with siege engines in Middle earth: familiarity and player perception. I imagine someone will get bodied one time and then get online and be mad about them rather than seeing that there are numerous ways to play around the engines. in fact they demand to be played around. What does your list have that can deal with one? The scenario above was both of our first times experiencing siege engines so yeah getting blown out is kind of expected but i imagine if we had grinded out the siege engine experience for a couple more games we could have found them to be good but manageable
They definitely add an interesting element (and challenge!) to the game. I agree that you just have to find ways to counter them. Can be suuuuper annoying when they one shot your best unit though! 😅
You posted day 2, sweet. Get to see some more of your sweet uruk carnage. Even if it was a grindfest, you still made a very enjoyable video! As for ballistas, while I havent played a huge amount of games I never found them as OP as online says, probably from bad rolls. My worst game with them, they killed a gondor ranger and thats it. As you said, they feel okay but not great. For 130 points you could take a bunch of crossbows or another troll!
Should they be allowed? Sure But you have a better chance of winning without them. Very few people used field artillery in ancient times successfully out on the field. Alexander and Julius Caesar being two that I know of. I don’t think even Hannibal bothered with them. Just about everyone else used them for sieges.
Great video even though it got nerfed and rerolls wont be that effective in turnaments ever again. :D It looks like your berserker shouldn't have died though. You don't need a roll if the model is as tall as the cliff it wanna get down from.
Siege engines are fine for the game, only AoHD is a nasty one and the old Iron Hills one was very nasty. Now with the point nerf for Iron Hills and the latest FAQ for AoHD all is fine. I think the siege engines add a fun chaoticness to the game but you can power game them. Your list could have been waay nastier, replace the troll with crossbows and we got a truely terrible list (could also give all your captains crossbows if you are a truly terrible human being). So al in all the player chooses to make lists that are no fun to play against, no fault lies with the siege engines imo.
Tbf aohd is still the best shooting list. It balances the list with the nerf. Maybe you only take 2 instead of 3 now but imo it is still in the 5 best army lists right now.
I really dont get all the hate seige weapons get in this game. This LL is my main army for mesbg and ppl have given me feels bads for bringing them. This is my favorite army in the game and the balistas are a major part of it. If uber power heros can cleave through most of my army why isnit dumb for me to have a big bow to shoot at yours. The balistas aren' impossible or even overly difficult to deal with. Ive played against plenty of people whove nullified them and others who didnt and still won and im by no means a bad player. I recently played a game post nerf and it made an impact but didnt make bringing them pointless. They made slightly less than their points back in kills. I wish they wouldnt have nerfed them though. In my experience they werent OP.
Question about them. Can they only fire in 180° in front of the model, or can they fire 360° around the model. In other words can they only shoot forward? I'm used to current 40k where directional shooting isn't a thing.
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I bloody knew you were a filthy meta gamer! Glad to see part two of the tournament and it was a clutch edit to boot. Lovely work as always mate keep it up
Haha don't hate the player hate the meta!
Great video! Been waiting for this!
Glad you enjoyed! Yeah it was put on the back burner for a while 😅
You are the luckiest man alive with those scatter rolls hahaha
Yeah it was a bit ridiculous, 4 separate rolls of 6 for scatter. Absolutely bonkers!
My only experience was 2 irons hills balista, who danger closed and rolled 1 on scatter quite a lot. I was running 12 cavalry so didnt really mind.
Yikes! Sounds like a scary list to go up against!
@@dicedrinksanddadjokes fear requires me to be good at the game, i charged the cavalry they went chopeynchopey and i lost the game.
@@michaelthurley1651 haha sounds like fun though!
Those Isengard dice at it again! 🤘
Yeah they put in some work! Very handy
DId Mahur use up a might on the deployment roll? If not he could have lived using all 3 of his might on his fate roll
Nah Mauhur only has two might sadly
Those rolls mate! Good to see the microwave getting a workout. 😏
Don’t mind either way with seige equipment. Don’t enjoy the auto kill, but glad to see this legion being nurfed to bring it back from op
Haha I rolled plenty of rubbish as well mate, they just don’t make the final edit!
Great vid!! Cheers!!
Cheers Kenny!
The result of my recent "Monster and Men" tournament, in which a modified Mordor Troll/Ent was added to each army, yielded a kill count of 92 kills by 14 Trolls/Ents in 28 games. It follows that a Troll model that kills more than 3 models in each game delivers an above-average performance. ... Play AoHD the said, it will be fun the said ... and it's gone xD
Haha that is crazy isn't it! I really think that they need a boost, monstrous charge could do it. Its crazy to think that a single man sized model can stop a charging troll.
@@dicedrinksanddadjokes men size .... nasty little hobbit! The victory of the tournament, was an alliance between Lothlórien and the Shire ;-). In the last tournament, I buffed the monsters with magic resistance and an independent hero profile of 1/1/1. At the end of September, I will organze the second age of Monster Men Tournament, where all monsters use the Troll Chieftain profile from Baradur (on the good side, it's an Ent with the same profile). I have also considered buffing the monster with modified 'Relentless Advance,' to facilitate the positioning and movement of the monster, the issue simply lies in its large base. Also have to say that when each army has a monster, it's a strategy to duel monster vs monster to gain as much time as possible to play the scenario.
That sounds like fun, I do enjoy different and narrative variations of the main game.
I’m so happy that your troll is named Pokey. Whenever I play generic ringwraiths I give them names like “pointy,” and “looky.”
Having serious names like that helps them to roll better dice. 🤣
Alright mate, quick question. The rules state you dont need direct LOS only from a fellow model somewhere on the board, so how do you determine in the ways?
Draw an imaginary line between the ballista and the target. If that line intersects anyone or anything than generally it’ll be an in the way.
Ok thanks mate, i think i was getting hung up because i imagine the ballista going into the sky and coming back down if you know what i mean
I once took a Mordor war catapult into my buddies fiefdom list. I tried to warn him that he should spread out even though he's a death ball army, maybe go for the side objectives so he wouldn't be so clumped up. But no, he was certain. So turn 1 i shot Imrahil off his horse and killed a small blob of pikeman and he scooped.
This here is the heart of the issue with siege engines in Middle earth: familiarity and player perception.
I imagine someone will get bodied one time and then get online and be mad about them rather than seeing that there are numerous ways to play around the engines. in fact they demand to be played around. What does your list have that can deal with one?
The scenario above was both of our first times experiencing siege engines so yeah getting blown out is kind of expected but i imagine if we had grinded out the siege engine experience for a couple more games we could have found them to be good but manageable
They definitely add an interesting element (and challenge!) to the game. I agree that you just have to find ways to counter them. Can be suuuuper annoying when they one shot your best unit though! 😅
Well this couldn't have been better timed with the faq lol
Haha yeah I've been sitting on the unedited footage for months and finally thought now is the time 😅
You posted day 2, sweet. Get to see some more of your sweet uruk carnage. Even if it was a grindfest, you still made a very enjoyable video!
As for ballistas, while I havent played a huge amount of games I never found them as OP as online says, probably from bad rolls. My worst game with them, they killed a gondor ranger and thats it. As you said, they feel okay but not great. For 130 points you could take a bunch of crossbows or another troll!
Yeah I've had some shocker games with them. At the end of the day you'll have a hard time if you're rolling bad dice.
Can't believe Zorp wanted to cancel this video!?!
Hahahahaha! Exactly!
Wat do you mean with "cancel this video!?!" Wats wrong with the video? Or wat do i miss
What subject do you teach?
Well that’d be telling. Every time I do a live stream this comes up and turns into a fun guessing game haha!
Hmm … if everyone knows who the assassin is, is he still an assassin?
Haha yeah right! Not very discrete.... "hello I'm here to kill your boy!" 😆
Should they be allowed? Sure
But you have a better chance of winning without them.
Very few people used field artillery in ancient times successfully out on the field. Alexander and Julius Caesar being two that I know of. I don’t think even Hannibal bothered with them. Just about everyone else used them for sieges.
I agree, I think you're actually better off taking more warriors. Urukhai are solid killers and put in the work.
Now I know who to blame...
Haha I'll take that! Of course I did another vlog where I only managed to win a single game with ballistas and that was against Bill the Pony 😆
@@dicedrinksanddadjokes I think that was the first of your videos I ever watched 😂
Haha yes! A classic 🤣
Hello
Why hello there James
Great video even though it got nerfed and rerolls wont be that effective in turnaments ever again. :D
It looks like your berserker shouldn't have died though. You don't need a roll if the model is as tall as the cliff it wanna get down from.
Thanks buddy! Haha yeah I think I felt bad after sniping his leader and was overly cautious about falling rules 😅
Lol.. they aint that bad 😂 it helps when you shoot your own troops with them!
Haha exactly! For every game of rolling great dice with ballistas there’s another game where I kill my own dudes 🤣
Siege engines are fine for the game, only AoHD is a nasty one and the old Iron Hills one was very nasty. Now with the point nerf for Iron Hills and the latest FAQ for AoHD all is fine. I think the siege engines add a fun chaoticness to the game but you can power game them. Your list could have been waay nastier, replace the troll with crossbows and we got a truely terrible list (could also give all your captains crossbows if you are a truly terrible human being). So al in all the player chooses to make lists that are no fun to play against, no fault lies with the siege engines imo.
Thanks man! That’s a very good summary. I agree entirely! The nerf would certainly have changed a couple of these shots haha
@@dicedrinksanddadjokesdisagree. People know it can be power gamed, so half of the responsibility should lie on the balance team.
@@s2korpionic do you think the FAQ has balanced them now?
Tbf aohd is still the best shooting list. It balances the list with the nerf. Maybe you only take 2 instead of 3 now but imo it is still in the 5 best army lists right now.
I really dont get all the hate seige weapons get in this game. This LL is my main army for mesbg and ppl have given me feels bads for bringing them. This is my favorite army in the game and the balistas are a major part of it. If uber power heros can cleave through most of my army why isnit dumb for me to have a big bow to shoot at yours. The balistas aren' impossible or even overly difficult to deal with. Ive played against plenty of people whove nullified them and others who didnt and still won and im by no means a bad player. I recently played a game post nerf and it made an impact but didnt make bringing them pointless. They made slightly less than their points back in kills. I wish they wouldnt have nerfed them though. In my experience they werent OP.
Yeah I know right, I've been absolutely stomped plenty of times despite my ballistas.
Question about them. Can they only fire in 180° in front of the model, or can they fire 360° around the model. In other words can they only shoot forward? I'm used to current 40k where directional shooting isn't a thing.
@@yesmilord2350 I don’t think there is a specific rule saying that you can’t shoot 360 but it does look a little silly.
either your speech is too quiet or the effects are too loud. cant listen to what you say, without the effects hurting my ears.
Thanks for the feedback. Sound is an element I do want to improve on. Cheers