What Kratom Withdrawal Is Like
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Happy to say it but went cold turkey Monday at 4pm after 30-40g a day for 14 months. That night and all of Tuesday was miserable. Wednesday morning woke up and muscle aches were gone leg restlessness was practically gone compared to Tuesday. For anyone wondering, I think you should know if you're scared of the withdrawal pick a few days to suffer through it and never look back. Thanks guys.
I needed to hear this, thank you sir.....I'm going to plan a 4 day trip away from my family and put this shit in the past.
Thanks for sharing. I used Kratom to help get off opiates, which worked amazingly, but now Kratom is messing me up. It’s been 2 months and I’m taking about 60g per day. My plan is to reduce to 30g over 3 days, stay at that for 3 days, then maybe try cold turkey from there. I’m just terrified. But it can’t be as bad as opiate withdrawal, right? I was at 500mg of oxy per day and dropped to 90 per day and it was a living hell.
But your post gives me hope, so I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am free of alcohol & prescription drugs for over 6 years, but I’ve been on approx. 60g a day for several years … I want to be free, but terrified of the process. Been researching opioid detox and that scares me even more. I don’t want to go from one addiction to another. Whenever I research/try “weaning” off, it takes so long and I just don’t have the mental strength … after a few days of attempting, I’m right back to normal usage 50-60g.
@@selenebowman3777 if you want to be free of it. Just go for it. The mental side and making the decision to not take it when you want to or feel you need to is the hardest part. After maybe a day or two that feeling should subside. The first day for me I just felt like I needed to take it. More of a habitual thing not so much a dependency thing. I think that’s what I feared the most. I had it in my head that I needed it when in reality I didn’t. Although it wasn’t pleasant. It is very much bearable. May be uncomfortable but don’t worry about it. Nothing to worry about. Drink a lot of water. Take heavy doses of vitamin c and for me, I took hot showers anytime I felt uncomfortable and that would help me out a lot. Atleast whenever I was home and could. I went for runs. Sweating and heart rates going up helped me out a lot. Eat. Eat. Eat. Drink water. I can’t emphasize that enough. But you got this. Don’t be in your head too much. Find that time to be outside. Don’t lay in bed, get out and walk around. Go throw rocks. Do whatever you gotta do to be outside. After a few days. You will notice that you were more worried than you should’ve been. You got it.
The worst part for me is the mental effects. 1 week off, no more physical symptoms for the most part, but mentally I’m still completely having to force myself to engage and at least spend 5 hours of the day doing any task I can. Just this low feeling where there’s not much joy at all in anything yet. But it’s getting better, first few days I couldn’t get off the couch, so hopefully after week 2 I’ll be a bit closer to my normal mental baseline
EDIT: almost the end of week 3 and I think I’m pretty much back to normal! Definitely feels good to be on the other side of that battle
Yea it's like it stole my sole ur somethin totall anhidonia like no emotions anymore but it only been a week off of phenebutt so far but goin to the gym workin out takin supplements it won't be long ill be back on track just never touching phenebutt again 💪 💯 the damage can be permanent if you go to far with it I'm hearing
@@randypierson6358 yea man I’ve heard phenebut withdrawal is really rough, stay strong man. I take it once a week but I’ve heard it’s no joke so I’ve never pushed it more than that. That’s a tool I can’t break, if you know what I mean.
U give me hope! I’m battling soo hard w Kratom addiction started taking Vietnam Kratom from remarkable herbs definitely took my soul never thought I would become addicted feel like I’m losing the battle cause my body needs it. Just want this to be over I was gonna go CT but that was to much for me I’m trying to wein myself off
You're giving me hope. I have to get off it at some point. Every time I stop I get so sick. Physically and mentally.
Aitana....let me know hoe it's going if you can. I'm struggling too.
For me the shivers, restless legs and arms, diarrhea and extreme depression were what I experienced. I'd high recommend even if it sucks and you can't move like you could before to try and exercise and double your water intake. Take lots of vitamins and magnesium and creatine and vitamin d and c. Sleep when you can and plan ahead for nightime because that's when the withdrawals turn their ugly head the most. Expect not sleeping and don't overdo the caffeine but utilize it for a time when you're very sad. It does boost your mood. Stay strong. No more green sludge
So true about the caffeine and it’s affects after being a kratom user. It really does boost your mood but I come down much harder now and can get very irritated after using it. I mean it’s just caffeine! Stay strong y’all.
Weird I didn’t have any of these, just felt kinda bland
@@Smegma_pirate I think everyone is different I was about 30 grams a day
Indeed this is super hard it's harder than getting off of heroin for me it's like I can only make it for like a couple weeks then I have to drink it it's killing me
@@vnote644 I'm 7 months off the stuff now. Keep on going 💪
It sucks because as you get sober, you start to remember all the reasons you turned to the substance in the first place. It's like your own mind plays mind games with yourself. The hardest part for me is 100% trying to get past the inner dialogue telling me "it's okay to keep using, it's not that bad", or "you've gone a few days without it, you deserve to take a break". Addiction is a psychological disorder and without fixing it at the source, you'll never truly be rid of it. My heart goes out to everyone of you going through this struggle, and I hope your able to find your peace.
The mental side of this is really hard. Getting better tho.
OOOh yea the old yooou neeed a breeeeak you deserve it maan, been too up tight lately reeeelaxx besides yur to hard on ur self anyway your gona die of some stress related illnesses if you keep it up lol 😆 that's me all day
I am REALLY addicted to it! 😔😪
Can't stand the withdrawals! 😫
@@loveistheanswer5924 it really is the worst. There's nothing in the world that can prepare you for the war that is addiction.
@@loveistheanswer5924 to kratom?
I just made the decision to quit this shit. Never thought it was a problem until it was. So thanks for the video. I don’t know what to expect but that few years in that stuff turned me into someone I wasn’t. I wasn’t a bad person, just felt not myself. Day 1 now. I planned on tapering off but I think it’s been a day since I’ve taken it. Which is a success in itself. So wish me luck. You guys in these comments, stick with it.
How is it going???
@@suf2620 it’s going good man. Better than ever. I feel normal, my body building has been more beneficial when it comes to my physique but that may be coincidence. Sleeping much better, getting up at 3:30 every morning and just starting the day. Have had no headaches anymore, no more aches and pains in my joints. It’s been 3 weeks with no kratom. First 3/4 days were tough, but I totally over estimated what it would be like. Don’t get me wrong, it was not fun and I’d like to never go through it again, but it’s doable. Restless leg was gnarly, cold chills all damn day, no sleeping, headaches, felt like I had a bad flu. But vitamin C, magnesium, exercise and sweating and a lot of hot showers made it easier. I’d say by day 7 I had lost most of the withdrawals minus cold chills throughout the day and started getting a little bit more sleep.
@@brandonmontemayor8178 that's awesome to hear for real!!! I'm about to start my own journey so hearing people talk about how they've conquered it makes me hopeful. Good job dude and thanks for sharing. Good luck and keep going!!!
I'm at day 24. We quit around the same time. How are you managing? I still have little energy. That seems to take up to 2 months to come back fully. Done this multiple times now.
Getting my energy back, like you said, took me a couple of months.
20 reds a day. Cold turkey feels like the flu. Aches, no energy, extreme depression. coughing and laying awake all night. Didn’t think I was addicted. Til I quit.
How long were you taking it for?
How long did you withdraw
yea shit is no bueno it took me awhile to realise it. hits the liver pretty hard and drys out the body.
Keep going. You’re almost done
Same! The high dose vitamin C works for 80% of withdrawals.
I started taking Kratom initially 4 1/2 years ago after I got out of the Army for the nootropic and energizing effects, and being it’s legal I made it out to be like taking a cup of coffee. After years of use this is the one drug I struggle to go on without. I get no enjoyment from anything when I’m not on it. It sucks ass. I hope one day I can find happiness without having to stimulate myself with this substance.
@@Tgunnz70 the same goes for me
I wouldn't even say I had strong withdrawal symptoms, just the normal state is just not pleasant, it wasn't before and now that you know how to feel free of fear and have at the same time a lot of motivation and energy to steer your life in the right direction with Kratom. Even less. I always hope I can take a little of the feeling that the drug gives me with me when I'm sober , but that's probably just an illusion
I've just been thinking the same thing, that it was sold like "the cousin of coffee", no biggie. The package I have now has a woman doing yoga on it, talking about wellness
Well , then just quit .
It’s all mental for me. Once you push through a week, you’ll start to be your old self. It’s very similar to opiates. It’s a drug like anything else that def gripped me up too. Best thing to do is just quit and ride out the withdrawal. (Easier said than done)
After awhile you really don't get any good euphoric feelings anymore and then you ask yourself why are you still using kratom and what's the point.
Loner who never wanted to be alone. Kratom helped me feel oK with the loneliness and that something good was around the corner. The older one gets the further away from happiness one finds themselves. Especially when you've always been socially awkward. At 48 and no love life or even a friend. I wonder if only hell exists. God help me
Hope you're well man. Much love from Columbia, SC
Wish you luck man
Hey I'm here to talk. Anytime. I'll always respond.
I think I'll spam in the replies here until you see it, and then attempt to forcibly befriend.
Similar to me. How are you doing now?
Been using kratom for nearly 10 years. Couldnt even really tell what dosages i reached per day.
It helped me work, i enjoyed working with my hands more and stifled most of my temper.
Problem was it made me feel like a zombie with no balls. All my emotions were foggy and it made socializing difficult because i couldnt react to the cues right.
I started tapering in september and as of oct. 9th i decided to cut it all together.
First month i suffered the depression and no energy.
Mentally i feel good. Im awake and alive. The worst is sleeplessness because of the restless leg that travels througout my whole body.
Benedryll, melatonin and muscle relaxers make it exponentially worse. Having to grit my teeth to get through it.
Things that help have been an excercise bike, higher doses of vitamin C ( go with sodium ascorbate C. Easier on your stomach than the abscorbic acid C)
Really the main thing has been a unwavering trust in God.
Oddly enough i only crave it at 3 am when i just want it to sleep.
Im not out of the woods yet but im confident.
Keep your eyes forward guys, much love to you and you can do it for sure. ✌ For victory.
the one thing i seriously hate is how the skin feels like it's interwoven with a scratchy carpet.
I’m on day 3 of CT off of many years of red vein Bali Kratom Started taking it not long after my wife passed away to brain cancer and been as high as 70-80 grams per day and was around 50gpd at the end of December!!!
I don’t know what opioid or any other withdrawal feels like but this shit sucks and I’m taking every supplement suggested to me under the sun!!! Appreciate your videos!!! Told my dad for the first time the other day but I don’t think he understands how deep into this stuff I was!!! Praying I stay off because as much as I feel great on it makes me super lazy and I’m constipated non stop and hate the feeling I was so addicted to this stuff!!! Had to leave work early today from work because I felt off still. Hopefully resting today and tomorrow I’ll be good enough to head back Thursday 🙏🏼
Get some L-theanime 200 mg pills and take it twice a day; also Magnesium GLYCINATE 300-400mg at bedtime, ashwaghanda 470 mg caps twice a day🤘 it will help lots
How is it going are you off? 🙂
I am highly addicted to it! 😪
I’m rooting for ya man I absolutely relate. I’ve been taking green Magda blue magic ( 14 caps morning, then 16 afternoon and 18 at night ) I’m absolutely losing myself and wanna go to a detox place for 7 days then be done. What will I be feeling after 7 days ? Like could I go to work ? Will I gain much more weight and look better after 7 days ?
2 weeks you will have to fight through it. After it's starts to get easier. It took a few months before I went back to full normal. Diff one of the hardest times of my life.
It's basically a opiate withdrawal
I quit a year and a half ago, taking 25-35g a day, extracts here and there, for 3+ years straight.
For the restless legs, I recommend taking very hot baths or showers. First week or two of withdrawl I was waking up at 3am and hopping into the shower.
I'd also use icy hot on my legs, and a heated blanket underneath my body to help relax my muscles.
I do not recommend using other drugs or herbs that build dependency to work through it.
It's best to take it head on.
My worst symptom aside from RLS was extreme anxiety. Antihistamines help. I only took them the very first horrible night, as I was bugging out. From there I had some left my mom gave me to help me, but never took them as I wanted to save them just in case the anxiety became that intense again.
What I had was essentially a double strength benadryl. It was enough to relax slightly to sleep for a couple of hours. (I guess benadryl slows the nervous system?)
I also would drink lots of chamomile tea, no coffee (and I'm a big coffee guy). I'd make double strength cups, and drink it throughout the day.
I recommend trying to take off work for the week if possible. If I didn't have the anxiety that I did, I would have been okay at work, but I was experiencing terrible anxiety for quite a few days.
Everyone has different symptoms.
Aboit a week in I felt much better, but the RLS took about 25 days or so to subside.
My energy didn't come back for a couple of months.
But by the end of the first 2 weeks, I felt so much more like myself it was amazing. I felt "normal". It was a great feeling knowing I had beaten Mt addiction cold turkey, and I never turned back.
hey man i have the same exact symptons now my anxiety started to kick in yesterday it was brutal im also having generalized anxiety disorder and bipolar 2 so for me this is hell again i hope this goes away minutes feels like hours!!!
Anyway to get in contact with you?
I’ve been weaning for a long time. I get through the days alright, but the nights are hell.
Getting off of it is especially tough when you’re a full time single parent and the only source of income. I have to be able to function for the most part of the day, every day - which is why weaning has taken SO long.
But I’m using PTO to take a 4 day weekend and finish the process. Hopefully by Monday the worst of the withdrawals will be done and I’ll be able to work and sleep like a regular person going forward.
Wish me luck!
And how are you doing now?
Yea how u feeling now? ⬆️
My mood wasn't too bad when tapering Kratom, but the aches and pains in my legs seemed to go on forever. I'd stop for two weeks and I'd be in as much pain on day 14 as on day three. Finally, it was wanting to go on holiday abroad that forced me to stop - I wasn't going to carry a bag of Kratom through airport security multiple times. So, I tapered with painkillers, then I tapered the painkillers. Still aching. So I took up a demanding exercise regime, and six months later I'm finally over it. I replaced the aches of Kratom withdrawal with post-workout soreness, and have emerged out of the other side fitter and healthier.
What painkillers helped you?
Great job my friend! I'm on the same journey as you, also wanting to travel and not have to bring kratom with me. I didn't quit cold turkey, it took less and less until I ran out. I realized through this process that my body really needs to stretch, work out and get all the necessary nutrients and I intend to work on those things rather than covering everything up with kratom. Bless
@ghostofme7277 I would recommend ibuprofen for inflammation and pain, paracetamol works a bit also. Good luck
@@ghostofme7277 I started tapering the kratom by using kratom less with the help of co-codamol, then I phased out the kratom and I moved on to just co-codamol. Next, I tapered those with paracetamol and then cut down on that. It was a long process.
The leg pain is no joke
I don’t know why no one is talking about the massive anxiety, cold sweats, no drive, don’t want to be around people .. etc.
Fu
This is my symptoms
I tried to stop cold turkey again yesterday and at 9 am this morning I was buying another bag
It started with cold symptoms
Stuffed nosed
Running nose
Warm cold sweats
My anxiety was so bad this morning around 2 am when I Normally scoop a few grams to get through the night
Yeah
I am using kratom now to avoid the detox
A scary place to be
I stopped drinking alcohol Years ago
However, this crutch has become a dependence
I am going to work on weaning off again
Tips advice support accepted
I am a former cocaine addict as well, I'm 21m. Your videos are so informative and I love your honest and positivity, it helps so much. Also it is very true that addiction robs your of everything. When I started using coke I stopped caring about my friends family, and my own sanity. It's disturbing. Luckly the cravings aren't anything like they were when I quit 2 months ago
Your 2 months in but your still addicted becarful my friend don't relapse
I started using Kratom and used. It hard for over a month. I am currently in day three of the withdrawals. It’s hard thank you for this video. It’s really scary not knowing what to expect.
I'm the 3xact same boat. I went through a kilogram in 5 weeks. Day 3 ct and im.going to make it. How's it going?
The restlessness, twitching and electric feelings in the limbs are the worst. I can deal with it during the day but at night when I try to sleep the insomnia sucks. It's like being a tuning fork and somebody keeps coming up and hitting you with a hammer all night.
Yes day 3 for me and I havnt slept a wink for this reason. I can tolerate everything else but this is hell
That is the worst... I get it in the middle of the night if I don't take a teaspoon before bed
I’ve had the “zaps” all over my body while ON kratom. I only take 4 capsules of green vein a day w prescribed gabapentin (a dose of 2,400mg)-which in and of itself is a problem bc it’s supposed to STOP those zaps. ⚡️ a year ago I was on 80gpd or more of kratom and had to take subs to kick. I wanna say even w subutex and Suboxone prescribed I went thru bloody hell. For weeks. I can handle the body pain and feeling like I have the flu but those zaps are horrific. I think when I took more kratom I had less body zaps. I think I have more now on the lower dose bc my body is withdrawing during the day around the clock. Kratom can be a wonder drug if only taken for a few days or a week maybe but once you cross the 30 day mark you are screwed. I’ve been back on it for a year now. Been trying to quit this shit forever. Thought gaba would help but hell no. Kratom is very similar to tianeptine or Za Za red which is now illegal here in the states. As long as u take it around the clock you don’t feel bad but the minute you slow down or taper or come off forget it. Might as well jump. At this point. I’m so tired of it I could kick myself for ever going back on it. Why I did this to myself I’ll never understand.
Been considering switching to lyrica by my doctor as my gaba use is stupid high. And it has totally quit doing what it was supposed to do. But I’m sick of dependency period. Pills. All of it. Sick of being stuck in this hole of never ending bullshit.
I’ve even gotten klonopin for those zaps and that doesn’t work unless I’m taking over 1mg a night. Fawk this yall. Stay away from it.
SITTING AROUND IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO!!!!!!!
Yep but its sooooo hard to get up and get moving. You literally have to FORCE yourself! If you dont, it will be much worse like you said. Fly landed on my arm and i was ready to kill someone 🤣🤣🤣
@@GhettoToaster85 hopefully this snake won't bite you again bro
@@buknasst4069 i know MANY MANY MANY ppl say this, but i can honestly say its not going to happen, atleast i hope not. I have never had to go through a withdrawal from ANYTHING other than a slight coffee withdrawal. And this is not cool. The energy kratom provided me just isnt worth any of this BS. Its crazy.
@@GhettoToaster85 keep straight , good luck bro
Staying busy is vital. But it also is very uncomfortable. Medical detox is a world of difference. Got some vistorol for anxiety. And requip for the restless legs. And 400 mlg magnesium. Take 2 of those. Two times a day
Just to give some hope... tapering is well worth doing... no need to go cold turkey - just so unnecessary!!
I've literally had 1 rough day - the day I started my 4 week tapering plan. Don't put yourself through pain! Good luck. ❤
I haven’t heard anyone mention this but I found it in a Reddit forum. 5-htp, ashwaganda, and all help tremendously to replenish the neurotransmitters lost during kratom use.
What is ashwaganda ?
I’m on day 2 and feel like absolute dogshit. Came off of a 2 year suboxone addiction and that was absolute hell but is similar to this. I just want to find a community to talk to about it cause I’m going through hell right now.
Same how long does it last?
Your sleep is gonna be messed up for awhile. If you can and don’t have any addiction issues with it I find that a small dose of Xanax helps with that. But it depends on how long you’ve been doing it and how much you were doing daily. I’m starting to feel better but I’m at a bit over 2 weeks now off of it. If you have any specific questions I’m more than happy to help you out.
@@flednanders4601 ... Thanks I caved and started weening myself instead I'm down to twice a day, trust me it's an improvement. I was taking 60 grams a day for the last 5 years.
@@jonwild2547 holy moly dude that’s a lot. I’m back to tapering on it, shits hard. Yeah I would definitely just slow down and eventually quit. I have to function so I need about 5-10 grams about twice a week right now. Max I was doing was 30-40 grams a day.
60 grams a day dude cmon there no reason for that , I've been on suboxone before and that shit was fkn dog shit fkn poison, the withdraws from suboxone were fkn brutal, I've been on tramadol 3 years straight 4 to 6 grams a day feel fkn great, took week off no fkn withdraws at all, 60 fkn grams cmon
On my second day , hour 50, I can say that the aches and pains are very present and I feel super drained. And some pretty intense cravings and irritability but I find that occupying my mind or getting out of the house helps. I haven’t experienced any restless legs yet and I’m praying I don’t. Not nearly as bad as heroine withdrawal but still pretty rough, it feels quite different than heroine withdrawal. Praying for anyone struggling with this
You got this!
I’m so dissociated all day long. I’m on day 2 today & still can’t get out of bed. I feel like I’m out of my body, the dissociation is so bad. On top of that the depression and energy drain is so bad. How is it going now?
It’s a struggle for me . Body pain and restless legs all night .
Thanks heaps for the effort you put into making this kratom video series man, I was an ex morphine addict and recently saw all the hype around kratom, 3 weeks later and I have realised I've taken it everyday. Don't wanna go back to my old ways, your vids helped me realise this could become an issue pretty quickly.
As someone who has chronic pain. Its seriously important NOT to use it daily and be honest with yourself about dependency.
I just got out of a clinic for Kratom abuse (4 weeks). Before I entered, I was using about 50g of Green Maen Da kratom every single day for multiple months and could not go a couple hours without use, without becoming very emotional etc. I was heavily addicted. Total use was about 1,5 years. I expected 3 days of withdrawal symptoms, but It kept going for about 1 to 2 weeks. For a week, I couldnt sleep (2-3 hours a night). At night, the muscles on my back and legs were so incredibly irritated, that I had to turn every 30 seconds, which kept me from sleeping. It was absolutely ridiculous. Also, in this time, I was incredibly cold, and felt very emotional for no reason. After the first week (I got prescribed a medicine to lower my bloodpressure and help with withdrawal symptoms, it seemed to work), I mostly kept having sweaty hands for another 2 weeks or so. I think that's about it, wouldn't recomment it. Kratom is great for people who do not get addicted to it, but if you do, it's not worth it.
Hows it going now a month later
@@scottking9939 hi, thanks for asking. I got accepted into a safe house 2 weeks ago. I sometimes even forget that kratom exists. Lots of stuff to work on still, but I couldn't have gotten rid of it without the clinic. Cheers
@@daano465 bollocks. You can do it on your own. I did, many people did.
We’re you prescribed Clonodine? My primary doctor told me it might help but it lowers blood pressure. 😕
@@2jcward yes, after a week of no sleep, they gave it. It worked.
I’m actually going through a cold turkey this week. I was taking about 5 grams of Kratom platinum extract, and adding a few grams of gold Kratom extract. Things got out of control. I’ve been using it for a year and I’ve literally spent about $10k on Kratom. I lost my psychological balance. Mood swings, anxiety and depression. I’ve tried to decrease the dose, and I’m just unable to.
Thank you for your videos!
It’s is great to see that we’re not alone in this.
Talk to your family, and friends. Let them know what you’re going through. It makes you feel better doing so.
I’m in a fog as I type this; experiencing hot flashes, but my mood isn’t terribly affected. I took a week off to do this, and I hope I can make it.
The massive amounts of vitamin C seems to be working for me.
Please don’t take it in the wrong way but I did numb myself a bit with a spoon of jack Daniel’s. I hate alcohol so there’s no chance I can simply switch from one drug to another.
Make no mistake, Kratom when abused, becomes a highly addictive substance! I’ve had to quit it before and it was hell. For whatever reason, this time around isn’t so bad mentally. Also, You never know how this stuff is gonna hit you. I used to experience chronic constipation with Kratom. I’d only use the bathroom once or twice every nine days with the help of laxative. For a year! 😮
I experience the opposite without Kratom. As you see, we all experience different things, and that’s ok!
I’m 45 and I don’t want to develop something I’ll regret because of Kratom, and that’s why I’m doing this. I’m a productive member of society, whatever that means, but I have struggled with substance abuse in the past. This is absolutely nothing compared to heroin and opiates, but it’s just as expensive and just as devastating if you lose yourself in it. Stay strong, talk to your friends and family, ask for help, do whatever you have to do to feel normal again. It’s worth it!
I’ll stay in touch!
Again, out of several videos I e watched, yours seems to be a legit one. Be well! From a friend in Florida 👋🏻
By the way….. If you’re not on Kratom, and you’re considering trying it. Don’t! Please don’t! You WILL fell like a lottery winner for a while, then you’ll might feel like you just lost it all.
If you’ve experienced withdrawals in your life before, and then after a few years you’re experiencing it again….
You’ll feel like you’re a worthless, helpless individual when in reality, you’re NOT.
I’ve had a few in my life time. 😅
there are videos on you tube from people telling you the cons of Kratom in one video, and in the next, they’re telling you about all the benefits of Kratom you n someone’s life, going as far as representing Kratom companies and advertising. To them…. You’ll find a place in hell with your name on it! I’m gonna stop writing now; as Soon m mentioned, I’m all over the place.
Yo 10 k you got ripped off wow I haven’t even spent a couple grand in 5 years of using.
I don’t get why people say it’s like the flu. I’ve had the flu before and that shir was a cake walk compared to fentanyl withdrawal and suboxone withdrawal.
Really?? I was getting petrified to quit after reading some of these experiences. Dope and subs were a freakin nightmare hope this isn't as bad. Thanks for your help.
@@5thElement347 I was wondering the same thing! I take about 3-5 grams of Kraton every morning for like 3 months. Thinking of stopping but curious how bad the WD's are. Like, is it really as bad as Fent/H?
Is Kratom WD as bad as Fent/H?
@@georgevigil7001 kratom wd are absolutely nothing compared to h or fent or oxycodone. I've personally experienced withdrawal from hard opioids multiple times n i have been using kratom almost daily for about year to control cravings so I can stay sober from hard shit without getting on subs. I probably use between 15-30 grams a day . Kratom withdrawl to me just feels like I got a runny nose that's it🤷. But if you've never experienced real hard opioid withdrawal I'm certain kratom withdrawal feels worse haha
You don’t get addicted to suboxone, I snorted that shit for years, literally candy, too much and ya puke! I could really go for that shit but everything’s probably fentanyl now adays……. Thanks a lot drug dealers, if I can’t trust you who can I trust!
The WITHDRAWALS are HORRIBLE for me! 😫😫😫
They last over a month!
Just a suggestion. If you want to stop any opiate or kratom drug forever, please don’t take suboxone or methedone . These are just legal prescription drugs with similar molecular engineered design that are much harder to come off of. When you start rehab , some may offer this as a taper. Find a place that doesn’t or atleast gives you the option of a three day taper the first three days. Trust me. Just bc the government makes it legal and accessible doesn’t mean it’s good for you. In fact suboxone is synthetic which means it goes into your bones, which makes withdrawals even more difficult and nearly impossible.
I agree. I was addicted to pain killers for about 6 years, taking them 3 times a day. I started out with 5-10mgs 2 times a day, but i quickly built up a tolerance and after a month i had to start taking about 15-20mgs 2 times a day. After another month i was up to 35mgs twice a day. I kept on taking them and ended up at about 60-70mgs 3 times a day. I tried to quit cold turkey, but that proved to be a short lived and very bad idea. I didn't feel any bad effects until about 14 hours after my last dose. The effects were insane. Extreme nausea, shaking, pain everywhere, vomiting, flu symptoms x10, and no chance of any sleep. Work was almost impossible, but never missed a day. I'd go for about 3 days without, but broke down and had to go back on them. I thought i was going to die for real if i had to try with drawling again. I tried quitting them about 5 times, but couldn't see through it. So I thought that going on suboxone alone for a few weeks would be the best way to have less withdrawal symptoms. At first, the subs felt awesome. I almost liked it better then the painkillers, and i only had to take it once a day. I thought i had found the magic way to get off them for good. But i was severely wrong. The withdrawals from the subs were far worse. I couldn't go without them for more then 2 days. So i had to go back on pain killers for over a few months and i was back to doing 60mgs twice a day. So at least it cut my daily use down by around 60mgs. I then read about kratom and experimented with it, and found i needed at least 10gs to feel anything. So i tried quitting opiates for around the 10th time, and was finally able to sleep after tapering my daily opiate intake to about 40-50mgs twice a day. It seemed to work, but had to take at least 10-13gs of kratom 2-3 times a day. I stupidly stayed on kratom for over 3 years now and built up a massive tolerance. I am now up to taking it 3 times per day. About 16gs before work, then about 22gs after i get home, then about 22gs before i try to sleep. I wanted to see how long i could go for before i started feeling anything negative. I can go for about 20 hrs without any before i start feeling the anxiety. I can't make it an entire day before i break down and use it again. So far, the most i can taper my intake is about 16mgs 2 times a day. I feel like my best solution is to continue tapering to as low as i can go and then quit cold turkey.
Update for yall I’m 20 days off Kratom now was taking about 30 grams a day for two years! Very rough 5 days but so much better by day 7 and feeling great now. Went cold turkey. My recommendation is if you are quitting do it over a weekend or time when you don’t have to be at work I was pretty missable for 5 days. Will never take it again. I’m not anti Kratom it was good for me for about 6 months then just got out of control and no impact. Unlike this video I was not constipated very much the opposite, body aches, restlessness, anxiety, and trouble sleeping
Currently tapering from up to 13g/day for a few years. Everyone's telling me it takes a day for the withdrawals to start, but my first symptoms appear while the drug is still wearing off. I wake up every morning in cold sweats with aches. I took today's dose 10 hours ago and I'm already feeling it start. Sucks worse than my heroin withdrawals, but I've done this a hell of a lot longer. Today was 11g, tomorrow 10.5g. We got this boys.
Wait what if I just have the flu
@@tx497 He said it's like the flu. how's it going by the way? I feel like absolute dog shit lmao. 3 years of use and I felt like I was zoning out so hard at work today
@@SomeBotOfficial I tapered wayyy too fast and had to go back to normal use. I got an appointment with some expert for medical assistance tho so fingers crossed.
Yeah the zoning out and brain fog are the worst. It's crazy to have to take a drug to think clearly. Can't wait to be off this shit. Are you quitting CT or tapering?
@@tx497 aww man, well that's good that you're getting help. So I quit cold turkey. For 2 days were fine, but today it hit me like a train. I'm starting to recover a little bit but we'll see how it goes tomorrow for work. Usually I take 14g before I go in and lately I've been just drinking energy drinks to help boost my mood. Don't think I will resort to that cause of all the sugar and don't really wanna crash. It's gonna be tough. But like the dude said, if you can just last 1 week you'll be good. Definitely gonna miss the feeling tho. But it's better to be sober than to depend on anything to function.
@@SomeBotOfficial wishing you the best luck. You're really taking this on expert mode. Remember to drink water because it's easy to forget and get dehydrated from the nonstop sweating. Dehydration headaches are the same feeling as withdrawal headaches so it's easy to spiral on that. Keep us posted man.
oh god im going through it bro, it sucks really bad. I am in severe discomfort and agony
Did you make it out?
How are you now ?
Newer kratom user here. Thank you for this video. I quickly realized that I had a problem when I was without it for a day and could not sleep. I plan on using my weekend to get over the withdrawal. Thank you for your video.
Going through it as we speak. Green. It's a dick punch,but I've kicked subs cold turkey. I thought this snake wouldn't bite as hard. You just have to focus on music ,family and yourself it's a hard balance when you're the one who did to yourself. As they say "embrace the suck" 'cause its gonna. Stay strong and you'll prevail.
Thanks. yeah... embrace it. ok. will do.
How long have you been CT?
@@2nostromo ct??
@@buknasst4069 sorry, cold turkey
@@2nostromo last Thursday I've been taking this stuff to help. It's called CALM it's a powder you put in hot or cold water about twice a day. I guess it helps
I really appreciate this video. I'm currently addicted to an extremely high dose (16.8g of "Bali Gold" once in the morning), I started taking it to deal with a back injury then slowly increased the dose as my body adapted to it. It doesn't make me feel high in any way, but I start getting bad withdrawal symptoms about 6 hours after a missed dose. My plan is to find a medical center in the next few weeks that will allow me to cold turkey this crap, but have to admit absolutely I'm terrified. About 10 years ago I had a strong yet short-lived heroin addiction, decided to go cold turkey, and went through a week of pure hell followed by at least a month of major depression and anxiety. I hear that kratom withdrawal isn't as bad as heroin but from what I've experienced they feel pretty similar. I know this video is a year old so my comment probably wont get much attention, but it does feel good to say all this somewhere public. Still suuuper scared for what's to come though...
Been taking kratom for about 4 years. In the last 1-2 years have been taking around 15-20grams daily. Just quit cold turkey about 5 days ago. It’s not so terribly bad for me but I’m experiencing body aches, brain fog / lethargy, demotivated but worse than all that is the fucked up stomach. Especially today, experiencing diarrhea. Oh well, I’m just kind of over the kratom dependency so will keep pushing through
I was a benzo and opiate addict for years due to medical malpractice. I found kratom and it changed my life. I would much rather have kratom withdrawals than opioids and more so than benzodiazapines for sure. I'm a childhood Cancer survivor so chemo and cranial radiation.kratom has been a blessing to my mental health
So it actually works? Looking at trying it
@@AubreesMama it does but i wouldnt go all in again because you just start dosing more and more often resulting in total dependency
@@AubreesMamaif you don't really really need it I'm warning you do not try it. I myself have been through benzo withdrawal twice both of which had me on the brink of death. As well as opiate withdrawal. I can tell you that Kratom is not benign as everyone would like you to believe. Be careful what voices you're listening to. Good luck
@@AubreesMama yes its like a mild opioid, so be careful with it or else you will end up being dependent on it.
I find no difference in the color of strains. None. All the same. It's called... marketing. Suggestive marketing. Watch out for "fancy, catchy" names of K. Rin from the vendors that give CATCHY names.
My 3rd-day cold turkey, wish me luck. My urge is definately going down now. I`m not gonna take it no more but i`m not against it. It`s god sent for people suffering from opioids and other chronic pain etc. It works wonders for people suffering from anxeities and depression. If someone is shy and introvert this will help a lot. It helped me get thru a rough patch in my life but now I`m ready to face it instead of depending upon it. You guys can use it as long as you are not abusing it.
I took kratom for 13 years 10 times a day. Im on day 4 of quitting and the stomach cramps and diarrhea are shit. Random freezing and then overheating sucks.
Kratom withdrawl for me is just aggitation, fucked stomach and lack of motivation. Problem is that my depression is like that anyway except the stomach so I didn't even know I was withdrawing until my girlfriend said i was acting worse than usual when going through a depressive fase.
Edit: I take Kratom for my back issues and as soon as I quit I realised I was in pain again but because I was unused to it from taking Kratom for a while it felt worse than before, but again I got used to it
Feb,24,2022 was the day i quit kratom. after 5 years and 80gpd at it's highest it was the hardest drug i've ever had to stop. But to those of you who are struggling to quit, just know it does get better and it will eventually go away.
I’ve been taking Kratom extremely heavy for the past 5 or 6 years. I can kill 3 oz in one day. I’m afraid to quit because of how severe my addiction is. Seriously just a few hours without it I’ll get restless legs. I love kratom but I also dislike it so much at the same time.
Did you manage to quit or cut down?
My lord man I hope you kicked that and got on to better days.. 84 grams of the stuff a day is wild to me. Thanks for your comment, made me feel better about taking 20gs a day lol.. and I mean no disrespect but I really thought I had a high tolerance before your comment lol so it helps knowing other people have been down the dark path with me.
In a couple of years, it won’t matter how many times it took you to get sober,
You’ll just be grateful you didn’t give up
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I get crippling anxiety and depression when I quit. The weird thing is, I'm not sure if that's the result of withdrawl, or just how I normally feel and I have to learn how to get used to it/deal with it. I was a carpenter for 5 years and worked in a shop 5 years prior to that.. I've been taking kratom daily for 8 of those years to deal with back pain and depression. I went to school and got a degree and now have an office job, so the back pain isn't a concern anymore.. I can barely get 12 hours before I give in.. I've used recreational drugs for the last 10 years, but never faced any addiction towards anything besides kratom.. It's shitty because people are very judgemental when i explain my addiction to kratom..
I'm from the UK I'm 38 and I hadn't even heard of kratom until a few days ago. Suffer with depression and anxiety and suicidal thoughts. Was considering ordering some of this. Thank you guys for your transparency after reading your stories about your addiction and how many of you are trapped taking upwards of 40g a day iv completely changed my mind. Hope you guys are doing well ❤
Don't touch it.. seriously. I started it five years ago and it's a goddamn nightmare to get off of. For me, the depression and lack of energy is so bad that I had to slow my taper. I'm glad that I'm taking so much less than I used to, but I don't think I can get off of it without ruining my life/losing my job, etc.
Kratom is a fine tool. The problem arises when people are taking more than 1 tablespoon, and taking it Everyday. No stimulating drug is meant to be taken everyday
I was only taking one tablespoon and I still had intense withdrawals coming off it.
@@kraftyhandz well then you haven’t really withdrawn from any other drug because kratom is quite mild…. Very mild.
Ones perspective is of course subjective, but, I don’t know if I would call a lack of kratom withdrawal. More a frustration.
@@dnbjedi you’re right. I haven’t tried any hard opiates but since my body knows not of those extreme withdrawals, it was still terrible to go through it with Kratom. I had no bar to compare it to to begin with so it’s the only intensity I’ve ever known coming off a substance that is physically addictive. The mental addiction was part of it but the restless legs it caused, the flu like symptoms, the depression, feeling like your skin is trying to jump out of its body, diarrhea, etc. is something I’ve never felt from other substances I’ve indulged in like weed, coke, alcohol, mushrooms, etc. and you’re right, it is very much so subjective. I guess what I have a problem with was not knowing the repercussions of the drug before taking it and how it could grab yuh, and how accessible it is at head shops making it seem like it’s nothing. But I understand, it was my fault for not doing the research and not scoping out the boundaries before or during while using.
Happy to hear other people out there I quit last night it’s starting to hit me now wish me luck guys
I've used kratom daily (10-15 gram/day average) the last three years to ease my complex regional pain syndrome (considered to be the most painful chronic pain condition. It sucks). While it has certainly helped with pain management, at the same time it's also screwed up my GI system (major bloating) as well as affected how I look. When I'm on it, the skin on my face is dull, dry, and tired looking, and I have dark circles under my eyes. Also, it causes bloating in my face. All this despite having a consistent skincare routine and rarely eating processed foods.
I've been cold turkey for three days and can already tell a difference in my skin. The bags/dark circles under my eyes are slowly going away, skin looks more hydrated, etc. However, I'm definitely feeling the withdrawal symptoms; not so much physically, but psychologically. All I can think of is how much I want to take a dose to feel "normal" again. I'm agitated, restless, and have virtually zero motivation to do anything.
I'll add more to my original comment once a week has passed, but I'm motivated to keep going. Many thanks for your video.
Hang in there! You always have those thoughts of taking it again to feel normal. I did it for 2.5 years and quit cold turkey. It was awful for me but you’ll feel normal again after a week or two! And you won’t need expensive kratom to feel normal and dull at the same time :)
Whats happening now bro?
They got through and didn't remeber to post because it wasn't that bad in the end, I suppose.
@@starduster7 Crap, forgot to post an update. Going on week three of no kratom and things are only getting better. The facial bloating is completely gone, as are my dark undereye circles. Skin overall just feels so much better and more hydrated.
All the GI symptoms are gone as well, have lost nearly 11 lbs. since stopping. Cognitively, my mind feels clearer and my energy levels are where they should be. It hasn't been easy; on numerous occasions I wanted to walk to my nearest kratom shop and continue the cycle, but I haven't.
One random thing that's helped is eating sunflowers seeds and spitting out the shells as I'm working on my laptop. I almost always drank kratom while doing this, kind of like when I used chewing tobacco in the past. I had to find something to take care of that oral fixation/habit, and so far it's worked wonders.
Appreciate your comment!
@@1stMarDiv4341 fascinating and I appreciate your comment! I take the same dosage as you and I'm at like 10 Gpd right now. I notice the dark circles as well. Thanks for the update
Into my 3rd week after high dosages every day. 30+G’s. For the most part my joints have stopped aching after week 1, sleep is still pretty messed up, the best thing for that has been sitting down in the hot shower or bath. Depression has kicked in over the past couple of days, I don’t feel creative, I don’t want to do simple tasks, work drags (12 hours of sales). Quitting Kratom is no-where near the mental schizophrenia I faced in Nicotine but this round hit different. Thanks for videos like this, and remember one day at a time. Always. It’s a pleasure to feel again.
I take a bit more than you and am also in sales! It really has helped over the years but now im getting older and i dont drink enough water, i just havent been thinking during my work day. Lately its beating my ass. Im getting off it
@@sagerdood Sales has always been the justification for my stimulant use! Kratom also severely dehydrates, even when I drank it water all day. It’s a tough one because of how productive and sharp it makes you feel. Just think about how you were before Kratom, perfectly fine right? Same
@@ChrisMortall yes exactly!!
@ChrisMortall in fact, way better, its had my temper high, ive done some stupid shit out of anger from this shit.
Thanks that really helps. How long did it take you? I've tried tapering twice now. I get too impatient and end up crashing into a big mess of mind traps. 3rd time lucky right. screw luck. I'll do it this time
Thank you for your help in all you do we appreciate you. Have you experienced depersonalization? I had a horrific mushroom experience a year ago and don't feel like myself... You give me hope..
I had dpdr for ~3 years. I isolated myself, that is probably the normal reaction for most, but I can see now when I'm fully cured how that just enables and grows the dpdr. Honestly I was very close to commit suicide because I thought it was going to last forever. But full recovery is very possible my friend. If you are mostly isolated and spend a lot of time behind a screen, you really have to quit that and start integrate to the world. Start small, go for regular walks, go to a cafe and sit down for a while. Slowly minimize the time spent behind a screen. Yes it's very hard, very anxious and painful, but behind that pain there is growth. It will take time. My mantra was, "don't be afraid". When my inner voice would say that I can't do this and that because of my dpdr, I'd talk back and say I'm not afraid. When I was partially recovered and get relapse, I made a point (internally) on how I didn't care and said so what, meaning I wasn't scared of having it back. I'm fully cured now since 6y back. Sorry for the long rant, I just really want to help ppl who have this shit, I know how lost I was those years ago
10 days cold turkey after 3 years of using 8-10 grams daily. I had some rough moments the first 5 days but it wasn't bad for me. I only used it to stimulate me like a cup of coffee. I know with heavier use people report the symptoms get much worse when withdrawals. I don't have a mental withdrawal my mind feels undisturbed. When I got off the heavy shit like oxy, it gave me long haul pycosis.
Update I've been off Kratom for 32 days. Everythings normal other than my energy levels, I just rely on coffee now instead of Kratom. I've felt urges to take it here or there but haven't caved in to my subconscious bickering. For the most part I still view Kratom as an 🌿 herb which is a thousand times safer than the long term side effects brought on from most pharmaceuticals. So I can see my self using it in the future but not for three years straight. I believe my use in the future will be centered around balance and leaving Kratom for spiritual moments or for ritual I can do every so often to kick back and enjoy well deserved rest and relaxation after a hard day's work.
@@jerryporter5638 I'm very happy for you that you're doing well. Just wanted to thank you for sharing your experience. I use about the same amt as you and honestly was scared to stop as I have heard one horror story after horror story, about how bad it is. So any advice you have is appreciated🌹
@@5thElement347 Have adequate time to rest, have ample amounts of healthy food. Use coffee once or twice a day like a nice kratom serving just to have some mental alertness and to combat some of the withdrawal symptoms. Take baths Epson salt preferably. Watch good shows and do your best to move around a little. force yourself to get some sun and fresh air a few times a day..drink lots and lots of water, juice, and nutritional shakes. Stay hydrated and juice will be your best friend to spike your blood sugar levels and to release some endorphins. If you can make it past the first 4-6 days it's mostly the mental cravings the ongo for weeks. It's hard breaking habits but for me coffee was a crutch, and would have been for more difficult to continue my daily routines without it
@jerry my experiences with kratom exactly- same numbers and everything
i think most people are not like you.. taking max 10 grams for 3 years and not raising the dosage seems impossible to me... i was starting with less than 8 g per day and after 6 months up to 30 grams... then after unsuccessfull tapering went cold turkey, willing to kill myself 2 weeks off work, then slowly feeling normal again after 1 month...
The key to coming off of creative everybody is literally dosing only one time a day. The half-life is very short and the whole dose is completely out of you in 1.6 days. So if you dose every day or every day and a half and keep it under 6 g the withdrawals will be almost non-existent. You will just want more kratom but you won't be like dying and you can function and go to the gym and go to work no problem
Um no ridiculous comment everyone I know including me had pretty bad withdrawal especially GI restless legs and no sleep! Go to the gym !!! Are you fuckin nuts because you need a swift kick in em
No one is here watching this video because they took kratom 3 times and took 3 capsules
@@banditthesiberian8156 I beg to differ. Ive been using kratom for over a year (3-4 grams and rarely 5 grams a day/once a day). Im on my third day and have withdrawal, doable but still feel it. I appreciate the good scientific facts that he stated as well. This comment is very useful and can help others.
@@banditthesiberian8156 he's referring to a taper schedule..as in don't take 5 one gram servings a day. Take one dose today and one dose the next as you continue to lower the does. The half like won't catch up with you in a compound manner it will be daily out of your system.
I'm on day two of withdrawal right now... I'm going to try to tough it out but if I fall I am going to try your method.
It just sucks because I took a month off of work which is not an easy thing to pull off so I absolutely must quit during this time period.
I'll keep you posted.
I.M.H.O. Not tapering is a big mistake! Why maximize your suffering? Figure out a tapering schedule & stick to it! It took a while getting addicted too kratom. Nothing wrong with taking a bit of time to get off of kratom!! Stay strong..
Thank you! Ridiculous to tell people to stop cold turkey from some of these crazy high doses!
Dude I’m going through it I was taking Kratom for a year straight & tried to do CT my brain literally shut down not I’m tryna taper it’s sooo hard cause my body is addicted 😫 never saw this coming when I started Kratom it fckn sucks soo bad
@@Lovergiirl48 taper slowly. Decrease the amount by 1 gram a day. Let your body down easy. I'll be rooting for you
I withdrew just like opiates pretty hardcore and i’ve been thru the hard drugs withdrawals my entire life. worst withdrawal is subutex.
@@GM-7777 that's rough. So sorry. Everyone is different.
I look at kratom as a good stepping stone to get you off the streets. Unlike street drugs you can function on kratom, it’s great for working actually. It masks the withdrawals of the street drugs you were on and if you try to take an opiate while on kratom you don’t really feel the effects. It gets you a job and a place to live. A year or two later pick the week, and get off with the help of a doctor. It’s not that bad with gabapentin. Also, I recommend vivitrol, it’s like the final step and you’ll be free for the first time.
24hrs down from heavy use for 4 years. Things aren’t terrible but not great. Wish me luck!
I tapered super slow for a long time and still got the insomnia and restless legs and such. It's opioid enough to have withdrawal like an opioid .. it sucked. Don't take something that works that well and not expect that it's gonna be addictive
I found that Imodium (loperamide) helps tremendously with a lot of the stomach related withdrawal symptoms. I got some generic liquid loperamide for a few bucks and it's cut my withdrawals in half IMO. Wish I knew about it earlier. Still can't sleep well but it's not that bad. I also feel very overly emotional while withdrawing from Kratom. I will start to cry when a song plays or while watching a movie... my emotions are coming back
How much loperamide were you taking a day? When after your last dose of Kratom did you take them? I am taking a lot of vitamine c that makes my stomach works even more than the withdrawals itself...
If you want zero discomfort getting off kratom it's a precision lowering of doses so slightly, for instance 3 table spoons in morning you lower to 2.75 for 1 week, week 2 lowering to 2.50 for 1 week and etc. At night you take a hot bath with a cbd salt ball that you toss in the tub ,the salt ball combination with cbd is for legs withdrawal. Also you will incorporate sleepy time tea with kava kava right before bed. At your bed side for waking up you will have motrin or a over the counter pain killer. I use this method and it works being it's so slow the lowering your body doesn't feel it
this is for people that don`t know WHAT CHRONIC PAIN IS ! ok ! chronic means FOREVER or until you die ! then you are relieved of pain ! but as long as you breathe it HURTS and there is no pharma pain meds anymore , so kratom is all we have ,I won`t be WITHDRAWING until I DIE !
Currently going through a 16 year green strain withdrawal cold turkey. The taper did not work. I am getting the shivers.. the sweats, really bad RLS, this night no 4 of no sleep. Runny nose and sneezing. I will beat this…I do t have a choice. I came to a country where there is no hope of getting any. All I can do is hike and jog away the shitty feelings.
Yep, going for a walk is very helpful even though you dont feel like it. How are you doing now?
How are you now??
Finally someone talking about the flu, because that always was the biggest issue for me. What really worked was just lowering the dose and yes I felt the flu, but was so much lighter
For me, Kratom withdrawals causes a bit of soreness in my lower body, particularly in the hip and upper leg area. It is very similar to other opioid withdrawals I used to experience when I was a heroin and pain pill addict for 15 years, except the opioid withdrawals would effect my body all over especially my back, and would be far more intense than kratom.
Luckily I can say that here in about a week and a half(july 2nd 2023), I could celebrate my seventh year clean from heroin and pain pill addiction, and in 2023 even though I am using Kratom, I have only been using it for two years, but it is for a combination of wonderful mental health benefits as well as helping me with nerve pain in my lower back since I do have spinal cord and nerve problems and arthritis to deal with and it helps with all of these. And given the fact that I had to deal with reoccurring withdrawals for 15 years that were far more intense, these Kratom withdrawals seem very Petty to me and the benefits far outweigh that one downside(minor withdrawls). Although I do feel bad for some people that I have seen on RUclips that have experienced a lot of discomfort from the withdrawals from kratom. It seems like some people are really effected pretty bad from it.
and you really believe what you are saying
@@Elijah8890 what is it about what I said that is hard to believe? I shared my thoughts about it and yes, of course I believe what I said, that's why I said it. But I'm seriously curious, what did I say that you find hard to believe?
time of consume and the amount that is consumed will affect you as much bad as all the others telling their horror stories they’ve experienced with kratom and it’s intense withdrawals. Even if it’s a plant it remains a drug. The leaves contain a chemical called mitragynine, which works like opioids such as morphine and you’ll need more and more over time to achieve the same effect. This will increase your risk of addiction and pretty bad affection it is pure hell when trying to quit after many years of kratom use on a regular basis. the withdrawals of kratom are more intense than Oxycodone. So believe it or not, kratom is a hard drug and will be illegal soon. It’s nice you gave up on heroin unfortunately you just switched to a similar drug which is not less dangerous. Lots of people getting hocked up on it seeing it’s harmless greenish looking outer not knowing the dangerous inside of the plant. If you try to get high and experimenting with Mitragynine which mediating the opioid receptors then better stop. It can make you a full blown drug addict again and you’ll notice only if it’s already too late.
@@Elijah8890 I agree. But i think that taking it for a short time after quitting opiates to help with sleep isn't a bad idea. You just need to keep taking less and less till you can quit both for good.
Kratom withdrawal is like being burned alive in the fires of hell while demons ejaculate fire ants all over your face for a week straight with no break and no sleep.
Sounds like heroin withdrawals or opioid pills. It’s the worst feeling I’ve ever been through .. it actually scares me to feel like that. Time goes by so slowly !!!
@@MisterCritchJust don't quit.
Damn you must of been abusing the shit out of it to get that 😂
@@blazeit505wow so edgy 🙄
Requip was a lifesaver when it came to restless legs. I never knew how terrible it was. I was so tired, I hadn't slept in days, but even if you're able to fall asleep, is impossible because your legs and arms are constantly flailing.
I have been suffering 2 failed lower back surgeries over the last 30 years after being injured in the Navy. I was taking 3 parachutes of 3 scoops ea of green kratom every day for years. As I write this, I am in the middle of my 2nd week quitting. 1st noticeable thing was my anus emptied out over several days. Then cold chills and now, even after sleep every night I wake up exhausted every day. You are right that it isn't as bad as the heavier drugs, but it is still a huge bummer to go through. Good luck to all that have to endure this, but it can be endured. Just be like a rusty fishhook and hang in there! (Old saying fm my grandfather). Be good to one another.
2 Weeks??? Damn Im on my first day and it sucks ‼️
@@jonwild2547 Almost at a month and I'm still not 100%. After years of everyday consumption, it takes me right at a month to feel better from discontinuing use. I do miss the fiber it provided though. Same time, every day like clockwork. :0)
TAPER!
How are you doing now? Can we get an update?
My question to you is, since you've decided to stop kratom, how are you managing your pain from the failed back surgeries?
battling soo hard w Kratom addiction started taking Vietnam Kratom from remarkable herbs this shit took my fuckin soul!!!!! never thought I would become addicted feel like I’m losing the battle cause my body needs it & everytime I don’t have it my body & mind starts trippin I was gonna go CT but that was to much for me so I’m trying to wein myself off say a prayer for me please I just wanna go back to normal. I now understand addiction 💔
Quitting kratom is easier if you go running instead of just suffering sitting still
Getting off Kratom I sent hard. Staying off Kratom is the most difficult part. My mind keeps creating excuses for using it again. I'm 32 days off Kratom and the longer it goes the stronger my urge gets to just take a serving.
I disagree that tapering off kratom is a bad idea. Worked very well for me
To be on the safer side, the best advice you can give someone who wants to quit something without professional help is to taper. If you taper, wds will be minimal. I have been successfully taking kratom for over 6 yrs. It's been a lifesaver for my chronic pain, since Drs refuse to treat patients anymore. As with anything, kratom also needs to be respected and used in moderation. It's not near as dangerous as alcohol, tobacco or even sugar tho.
More addicting than alcohol but not as destructive to the body
Bad for liver
@@billfisher8647 says who? My liver and kidneys are still functioning beautifully. I also take 2 medications that are bad for my liver and have to get blood tests every 3 months to make sure those meds aren't killing my liver, but Dr still hands out those meds every month. If u get enough people to take something, yes, there will be some who get side effects from it. Doesn't mean it's dangerous for everyone
You said you were taking 4 capsules a day, what was the most?
I have been taking 3-4 g per day for the last few months for pain management. I don't want to get addicted, that is the last thing I need right now.
People who bash people that are going through kratom withdrawal are ignorant. Kratom has tons of chemicals that we don’t even know about. In my humble opinion, the psychological withdrawal symptoms with kratom are worse than opiates.
Had a 150mg+ oxy a day addiction that I went to treatment for in 2018. Got out and did well for a while, slipped up and did oxy a few times. Used kratom to keep the cravings away. Used it heavily for 6 years. Started getting stomach issues (gastritis) out of no where which I am almost certain is from taking kratom daily at some points 30-40g a day. Over the past month i tapered down, today im at 7g a day. I have no choice but to quit because, i dont want these stomach issues to become chronic. Currently white knuckling it until my next dose. Cant sleep, no motivation, depressed. But when I force myself to get up and go outside it always makes me feel better without fail.
Its worse mentally for me . Insomnia hurts
Restless legs were the only reasons I failed cold turkey 25 times. All the other symptoms, even if they were bad I could handle. Not the damn legs tho!
I haaaate my legs being so sore. Currently shitting my brains out while my legs are going crazy.
I hate the mental side of withdrawals. Even RL are bearable better than this depression.
Same here, except I get restless arms. It's a terrible crawling feeling deep in my arms that kicks in at night. Misery making. It's by far the worst part of opiate withdrawal.
@@AR-do2ob mine is absolutely debilitating and scary anxiety…
Yeah, sucks a d... Tried cold turkey twice after 8 years of the world's heaviest use including extract shots. The damn wrestless arms and legs are a killer. Can't even sleep it off with that going on. I have about 15 supps on order and will try round 3 in about a week.
Apparently you have this shit real bad. I've been doing kratom for the last 2 years and to tell you the truth is a hell of a lot of it. I am weaning myself and it seems to work just fine. It's not like cocaine or anything else I've ever experienced. Hit me back on this if you know something I don't but I'm not having any of these symptoms. Good luck with everything bro
I never have restless legs when I'm withdrawing, for me it's my back strangely. It's a weird sensation in my entire back and I can't stop moving and twisting around, it's awful
its both my legs and my back, litereally couldnt sleep for an entire week (2-4 hours a night at max). that sht was hell, but made it through. Had to go to a clinic for it though.
This is the second time I’m getting off of this stuff, the first time I quit for four months 2 years ago. But then something happened between my gf and I that sent me to a dark place and I got back on it. I quit cold Turkey 2 years ago but this time I’m trying to taper off but still feeling pretty rough withdrawal symptoms because of the amount I’d be taking the last two years. But I’m glad I told her and if there’s anyone out there that is keeping their addiction secret take this as a sign to tell your significant other or spouse or loved ones. It’s not worth keeping it in and it burdening your life
Day three, since i took any. The first two days sucked. I was taking about 30 to 50 grams a day for about 4 years. Would take it everywhere i would go. Just dont like the feeling of being a slave to anything. Tried to quit a few other times, but it had me by the balls. I recently started taking testosterone shots and definitely have helped me with energy. I think Kratom is a good thing for people. It helped me with my drinking, but enough is enough for me.
36rs?
@@Rizzbulla 3 to 5 years
@@Rizzbulla fixed it 😁. Was zoned out at the time.
@@bighern1794
Ah ok lol
I had to use opiates to quit drinking. It was the only thing i found that gave me a big enough buzz to not think about drinking. They worked great at first, but then after a few years, i was addicted to them. I then used kratom for 3 years to get off the opiates, and now i'm trying to quit them. Moral of the story, never quit;)
I got introduced to kratom a little over a month ago and I started easily doing over 50gs a week. Got to the point where I didn’t feel like I wanted to go to work unless I had 10gs in my system 30 mins before work and I noticed I was only shitting once a week. 4 days without it now and restless legs/arms is definitely one of my biggest withdrawal symptoms. Besides caffeine, for the first time in a long time I feel stone sober. I even cut out the booze. This is the first week without it so I literally have to force myself to get up and do the work. I feel soooooo drained. I feel like I have an extra 50lbs just dragging me down. Keep it up guys!
How long did it take for you to be okay
@@alisayeh2236 about a week ish for the restless legs to stop. that’s why I started taking 150g gummies. lol.
3 years of kratom use. it's intense on day 3.
Hang in there. It is intense but if u have never experience long term big pharma opiate withdrawl, kratom is a cake walk. I've been through both and kratom for over 5.5 years at over 60 grams a day. Did slow taper. Wasn't fun by no means broken sleep n lethargic mainly but gravy compared to the pharma
I've been taking it for over 10 years now and have been using it daily for the past 5-6 years. I've settled into a routine of consuming about 2kg per month. I don't really measure the dosage either. Basically, I take a heaping tablespoon and drink it with warm tap water. Naturally, I would experience withdrawal symptoms if I stopped. I don't drink alcohol or use other drugs.
Regarding hair loss, I've read about it but haven't experienced any negative effects myself, being in my mid-30s now. It actually fits quite well into my daily life. I'm quite successful in my career, and paying over 5k € per year for it is not an issue for me. But yes, I am slowly starting to consider how I can reduce or completely stop using it. I don't even know what it feels like to be without it.
I drink about 3 ozs of powder a day, it's dehydrating my body so bad, my limbs fall asleep at night and go numb easily, I had a seizure at work last week because of it, I'm scared 😨
Taper down. Use at least 500mg magnesium a day.. drink lots of water. Pedialyte
I feel you bro. About the Constant thinking of K. That's gonna drive me nuts when I decide to quit. I do about 28 GPD. 4 doses per day. 6 g each. I don't feel a bad guy saying anymore. I don't know why I take this stuff. It makes me very nervous, intolerant of people, angry, and mean! Really, really mean! Everything bothers me! I play tennis in the morning and you should see me when I lose. It was very unbelievable! What a mess I am!! A certified jerk! Sore loser. Very embarrassing.
I had a seizure too ! Randomly & my camera caught it all! I wasn’t breathing ! I am done with that ! I’m scared to have another episode ! Good thing I wasn’t driving with my toddler !!!!
@@Kelsonspodcast you believe it was kratom induced? I just had a second seizure it was later at night after taking high doses thru the day was yours similar circumstances? Hope you're ok and good luck getting rid of this shitty habit I know my journey has just begun but I've kicked worse so I'm ready to fucking crush this and move on.
@@jordanemede hey ! Yes I do believe . I also never found my proper dose for my weight. When people find their perfect dose , it’s safer. But it’s been two weeks and I’m starting to feel better without it. I went to my doctor to get on some anxiety medicine . You should ask your doctor to get you on something to help ease you off of natural tea powders. There’s something to help take the edge off !
That's interesting that the strains withdraws differed. I learned something new. Ty
So heavy user here I'm 22 I've been using for 3 years 9mg extract shots about 6 a day I've had 2 back surgery so used it for pain at first but got out of hand and I'm on day 6 man those first 5 days days were hell for Mr my mind was all over and physical I got lucky I mainly got crazy restless body I could not stop moving and sleep was either all on or off I would sleep most of day 1-3 4-5 I was wide awake day 6 I feel much better my back pain Is very much back so been working out and stretching to help
I slept maybe 8 hours over the course of 4-5 days when I quit. Withdrawals were so bad for me. Hang in there!
@Flying Turtle thanks been doing good just I used it for pain I've had back surgeries so far so good just worried about when pain kicks in but I got it
@@drricemice2046 how are you doing now bro?? Hopefully that shit is in the rear view. I'm working on my taper schedule and planning to get off altogether after I just had my second seizure seemingly kratom induced.
@Jordan Emede nah man it's not has bad i went cold turkey for about 6 months and then got into a bad wreck so the already there back pain got worse and I couldn't really fight it and so I started using but I'm better now so none as of now but tbh my state want to make it illegal and I hope they do
@@drricemice2046 thanks for responding bro I appreciate it. I wouldn't be mad if mi made it illegal at this point I've got enough to taper off and I will never touch it again. Stay strong brother 💪 fuckratom
The saying it is like fighting the flu when you stop taking it and start experiencing withdrawals is nail on the head.
I'd take 5 days of the worst flu I've ever had over one day of kratom withdrawal ANY DAY !! Withdrawal and having the flu are NOTHING alike. The only thing they have in common for me is I'm just sick.
@@rudyferrellthat’s your opinion. I was simply commenting on what he said in the video at 3:58
I’ve had the flu so bad before I was shitting, puking, pissing, and sweating all at the same time. Maybe everyone reacts differently, or maybe you’re taking some hard shit.
@cannabowl no offense intended, I'm just tired of hearing withdrawal compared to the flu when they're nothing alike to me. Nothing at all actually. Maybe other people experience the flu different than I do, I don't know .
This was such a well done video 👍
I'm going cold turkey for the 2nd time. Was taking about 13 to 14 grams twice a day for a bout a year each time. Tried tapering but it's too slow and difficult to commit to, I'm kind of an all or nothing type person so I tend to jump in the deep end and tough it out. I've also been through severe opiate withdrawal several times, once due to recreational pain killer use, the others were from major surgeries and I will say, while kratom withdrawl sucks pretty bad it's similar in symptoms but a piece of cake in comparison. Took me about 10 days to feel back to normal from kratom with a bit of low energy and motivation, was over the worse part in about 5 to 7 days. I'm on day 5 right now and making it through a full work day is rough but doable with a couple redbulls. Pain killers were a lot tougher to come off of and took quite a bit longer. I was basically bedridden for about 2-3 weeks from that. Anyway, just sharing my experience. If you manage to kick it after using it regularly just be sure you're able to only take it once a week or so if you decide to try it again. I made the regrettable mistake of daily use after intending to take it rarely a second time so just don't make that mistake and you shouldn't have to suffer the same consequences again. Hope that helps anyone struggling with this. Don't be afraid to quit, it's a bitch but easily doable, especially if you have a long weekend or vacation from work to start with.
In the exact same boat. I took it 5ish years ago for about a year. I’m not quite sure which came first, but at a certain point I started feeling pains, aches that wouldn’t go away. Got checked by the doctor, heart, X-rays… they all said I was good and it was likely the kratom. But I swear whatever I was feeling felt real and lasted for about a month (during that time I had quit completely.) looking back, it makes perfect sense.
Was off for about 2-3 years. Things got bad at the end of covid, family stuff, and I was very down and it seemed like a safer way to get through whatever I was feeling than drinking. Had to take something though because I was at rock bottommm. I’d planned on using it just to get through that. A year and a half later, I am once again entirely dependent. Honestly haven’t even tracked my doses, simply would take a scoop every time I felt I needed more (If I had to estimate, probably about 15g a day since the 100g normally last a little less than a week.)
Been trying to taper off the last few days… but it’s brutal. All I can do is lay in bed, and even then I feel restless, anxious, headache, appetite gone. Hot flashes… and what someone else in the comments said about the mental aspect of withdrawal: you start to feel all the emotions you were feeling when you started taking it. I just drove to the gym and had to drive back home to take some because I felt so horrible. Anyway… I’m not against kratom, I see it’s benefits, it does boost my mood (hardly anymore,) would help me feel at ease. But being a slave to anything isn’t fun… and I want to save my money, and it doesn’t help. I also vape (which also needs to go) and smoke the zaza and I just no longer like the idea of being reliant on so many substances, even if they’re “safer” ones. Good luck though man…
On opiates for 15 years, 100 mg a day, weened myself off over 2 months while I had a large pill supply in front of me. It's been 4 years now. NEVER looking back.
The 1st time I experienced Kratom withdrawals was from Kratom from an USA vendor. I would usually purchase my kratom directly from an Indonesian vendor and when I would take breaks using their product, I didn't experience any withdrawals, I would just wish I had something to help with my normal anxiety. Anyway, I should've known I would have issues with the USA product because even though I would sleep well after using the Red, my urine would would be a bit orange. Then, I noticed I would stutter and kinda space out on what what I what I was trying to say. Maybe I was taking too much. Needless to say I won't use that vendor again.
I noticed the same things in my opinion it’s the alkaloid content I’m getting off of Kratom today and I’m just going to live in the gym
I had to stop because i was hospitalized for a racing heart beat. Could have died, heart still flutters even now and that was 6 months ago. I'm on my 5th day quitting cold turkey... sucks, restless legs, no sleep, NO energy, but it's getting better like everyone is saying. I'm just glad it didn't kill me.
Man, 8 a day is a ton!!! I take 1 tablet and it is awesome. I take the white, 4 days a week, no weekends or vacation etc.. I use it to focus while practicing guitar. I will say, I can’t speak to wanting to off set depression, or getting off drugs, but taking less than one gram per day for me, has been great. If that changes, I’ll surely post again
You think 8 a day is a ton? I know people trying to get off 40-50g a day. I wish I had 8 a day🤦♂️
8/day is roughly 6 grams, which is considered a “low dose” on the Kratom dosage scale. However if you feel good taking only 1 gram that’s great, no need for any more.
If you’re taking a tablet and not a capsule you’re most likely taking concentrated mitragynine and 7-hydroxymytragynine, which are the psychoactive ingredients in Kratom. Basically it means that you are taking a much more concentrated dose. The powder form is pure ground Kratom leaves which contain plant matter and mitragynine and 7.
8 a day is nothing. Thats a baby dose. I take 40g a day and stopped cold turkey.
@@ironknightgaming5706 ain’t no way you were taking 40 grams a day. That’s wild
@@chipmonk477 I take up to 15 grams in a single dose! I can not believe you guys are taking such miniscule doses and feeling anything. I have severe anxiety and depression and use kratom to function normally. On my most recent tolerance break i stopped cold turkey on 40gpd it felt like i was withdrawling from a street drug or something. I have stopped cold turkey many times on smaller doses of less than 10 a day and it is barely noticeable. Does it suck? Yes. But its nowhere near what you will get at higher daily doses above 30gpd. that's where kratom will really bite you in the ass if you miss a single dose or run out even a little early. Decided to take a tolerance break because my tolerance was now impeding on my daily existence. The withdrawls peak at day 3 and will last about a week then you will experience low mood for several weeks afterward. High doses is nothing to play with. under 15g a day does not trigger withdrawls from what i have seen if he was on 40gpd he wouldn't be able to leave his house.
Man people are blowing the kratom withdrawal thing a bit far. I was a 45-65 gpd user and quit after a two week taper. Guys, the trick to this is clonidine. You are going to feel a bit poopy the first three days but the clonidine will save your butt. I ate probably 500 calories the first day. The second was a little better, but the third and fourth were where the withdrawals really broke. The only thing left that I can't seem to shake after weeks of not touching it is the sneezing and stuffy nose. The sneezing is very powerful and man it comes on fast and hard. Then it's just gone for several hours and then bang, sneezing again. Other than that I feel good. Good luck
Hey where can I get the clonidine , please lmk
Its no better then smack. Its a lie do not touch the crap
Didnt know i was addicted until last week i ran out of my kratom. So i went online to order some more and while waiting ,I thought i was sick my body aches , cold sweat night and day and this was day 3 without my routine. Day 5 my order came and i took some and all the bad feelings gone .
Since then i started to decrease my dosage and iam willing to quit . I hope i can make it. Thank you for sharing. Good luck to all of ud trying to quit.
I'm at 24 hours... gonna stick with it this time. I want off the merry go round.
I'm trying to quit now. I take the liquid shots. I was taking 4 shots a day, sometimes 5 when stress was bad. I'm on 2 shots now. Im feeling achy, my sleep is fitful. I'm constantly thinking about it. My mood is low. I'm afraid of going to one one shot, scared out of my mind when I'm no longer on it. Kratom has made me feel zero anxiety, changed my outlook to a more positive one, gave me energy. I dont remember how to do life without it,.
Kratom is a godsend for anxiety and depression, but ive chosen to stop it. Its a waste of money and it just becomes a vicious cycle, especially when tolerance is so high.
I never had a single withdrawal from kratom. I take it
For 3-6 months at a time and I usually take 2-4 months off. Not a single thing changed except maybe I had an extra cup of coffee.
How much kratom would you take per day tho?
To anyone struggling to get off the "sludge", I have some tips for you.
1. Don't sit on your couch and try to suffer through. Stay busy, and accomplish tasks. Working out can give you a dopamine hit that can be of great relief.
2. If you need medicinal help to get through, Kava and ashwaghanda are 2 things that both help with anxiety.
Anyway that's how I got through the withdrawls a few months ago. Hang tough and remember each day of suffering is a day closer to freedom.
Are you still doing okay?
I just went through Kratom poisoning this weekend. Got a bad batch I guess. Not sure. Worse weekend of my life
What brand do you use? I believe you it's it's I'm asking. To stear clear
What brand?
@@edodukic7545 not sure. I threw the bottle away. I got it from my local smoke shop. It had a green label. I think I wanna say KRAVE but again not sure. Sorry
@@lesliehall675 I got very sick from very low doses of green maeng da but white maeng da has allways been good
@@lesliehall675 I had kratom poisoning from krave also last week. Something is up with that brand. Other brands never do that to me.