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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2012
- Bob Boze Bell of True West Magazine introduces a never before seen photo of Wyatt Earp. Or is it?
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My ancestor was John P Clum, editor of Tombstone Epitaph and mayor of Tombstone. I believe he was a Sunday school teacher at this the First Baptist Church of San Dimas California during the '20s. Perhaps Earp came to visit him here from LA. On the current street view of the church, the mountain contours in the background line up.
Ladyrodgers you are very right it was in Colton, California. Photo was taken in front of St Salvador Catholic Church, 7th Street and "L" Street, South Colton. Trees look like Chinese Cherry Trees in the Winter. They grow very well in Colton. The original wooden church in the picture is gone, but replaced with a new one. Thank You. Maj Ben Perez, USAF, Retired, Tucson, Az (Home town: Colton, CA)
Location: 7th Street and "L" Street, South Colton, CA. Saint Salvador Catholic Church. Ben Perez Sr, Tucson, AZ (Hometown: Colton, CA)
John Wayne explained that he would follow Erp all around the set. Wayne admired everything about him, getting down the way he walked, talked, and his whole persona. John utilized it in all his movies, and became successful.
Love anything on Wyatt Earp. Thank you for presenting this photo.
Wow what A great pic of A real old west legend THANK YOU so much for the upload
Wyatt Earp lived around the corner from my great Grandfather in a small house in Los Angeles, Earps Brother became a Police Chief in Colton, California and this picture was taken in Colton around 1909
+Steven McElroy Probably in colton or the San Bernadino area. The Earps had family there and you could get out there from LA easy on the pacific electric red cars.
Yep!
Steven McElroy Is your great grandfathers house still there? I think there is a school where Wyatt's house was in LA.
Hjs last house was a bungalow apt at 4004 w 17th st, west adams district. Some say it was moved nearby when the school was built, but not able to confirm. Supposed to be a plaque on the sidewalk where it was. Several streets there have changed names. Search west adams historical.....
Steven McElroy
I guessed 1902 wow i was close I know he died in like 1920 and looks old here
Wyatt Earp Wyatt Earp
Brave courageous and bold
Long live his name
Long live his glory
And long may his story be told.
Jingle introducing the TV western series "Wyatt Earp" in the 1950's
Anyone else remember it?
Love it! I loved it then, and love it now!
As soon as I viewed this photo I knew it was Wyatt Earp later in life. Fascinating to see a new photo of him even if we’re unsure of the circumstances surrounding it. After all these years we still continue to have a fascination with the man.
@pado joe biden Sure ya didn’t.
Sure I did.
I also seem to have a fascination with Wyatt Earp. I have heard that he was a very tall man and I am guessing he had nerves of steel since there have been reports that during the gunfight at the OK Corral, when bullets were flying, Wyatt Earp was very motionless and still. Wyatt Earp was focused on hitting his target. With most people, if you start shooting at them they would not be motionless and still. So, Wyatt Earp was not the type of man that many people were comfortable threatening. Wyatt Earp was a large man with nerves of steel. Not the type of man anyone would want to disrespect.
I have seen enough photos of Mr. Earp to say this looks completely authentic. I couldn’t speak with any expertise on the background, except that his attire and the absence of leaves on the trees suggests wintertime. By the time of this photo in the mid to late 1920’s paved roads were pretty common. Could the location be on a movie set? He was known to frequent them as a consultant.
Just my guess!
I named my son "Wyatt".....Great photo here ! Thanks for posting it !
He was playing quoits. Like horse shoes but uses discs. An old game.
cowboy101lisa certainly feasible
CB101 That was my first impression.
Wonder what would happen if you beat him. 🔫😰
Quoits uses rings, not discs.
@@watchgoose Not true, often times in the 19th century cast iron discs were used.
When you live and go to the same church most of your growing up days, and are raised in a Catholic Church, especially, San Salvador Church in South Colton, CA. it is pretty hard to forget the church. I do not believe you need a church expert. However, I know where you are coming from. I am sure most Colton residences have old pictures of themselves in front of the church. This was a great place to take your picture in those days. Have a great day .
I too was raised. Catholic. Last Latin alter boy 1964. Long time ago now I’m a old man. Semper fi.
I tried to find this church in old photos of California towns around Vidal. None match, but the general construction, trees, etc. do match. Maybe on the Arizona side. So much has changed in the area, the odds of finding the same construction seem slim.
Benito Perez, So you are a member of the anti-christ catholic church.
Where can I qualify as an official church expert.
RIP!
I love this man!
Why?
@@ATINKERER
What’s not to love?
Trees were often planted in areas where they wouldn't normally grow. As long as they're watered properly. I live in San diego and I've heard that there weren't any trees at all in this area and people were encouraged to plant trees. Now there are tons of them!
I believe it is taken in San Diego?
@@thomaspowers7827 Earp did live in San Diego. He owned property in the Hillcrest area. I know this area well. There used to be a Wyatt Earp museum downtown in the Gaslamp Quarter. I don’t think it’s there anymore since I couldn’t find it last time I was looking for it.
@@jmseipp I believe he owned about a city block down around Hillcrest. I know he ran a faro parlor here for a while.
Its a stunning photo taken with a good camera wow i`m blown away.
Hands up who wants a print :)
He was not very muscular or tall ..I know that men were usually around 5"2 -5"8 back then but I just expected Wyatt to have been taller and more muscular to match his over-the -top personality..
@@judyholiday653 historic notes about him say he WAS tall, at least 6 ft, you can see he has long legs and arms, torso. Not sure why you surmise he wasn't tall...
@@wbl5649
Because Judy... Is a great stupid idiot.
@@wbl5649 I've read he and his brothers were all about 6 ft and 160 lbs, give or take.
John Wayne worked on the crew that was making Earp’s biography. He said Wyatt Earp was an amazing man, and he wanted to be just like him. Honest and direct. He said he even copied Earp’s style of walking.
Yep, John Wayne’s famous swagger is a copy of how Wyatt Earp walked.
A couple of real American legends.
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In 1925, 18-year John Wayne was yet to be christened. Wyatt Earp would be talking to Marion Morrison who had a pet dog named Duke!
I heard the same story. I got to see Wayne before he died. I stood about 15' away from him when I lived in California. Saw Glenn Ford at the same event. Awesome men.
Bob booze bell , one of the Great Western writers, Doc Holliday book great thanks for signing it
They called him Bob 'Booze' Bell in his college days. Not so much anymore. 😁😄
Looks like Wyatt.....great video, thanks for sharing.
It does look like an aged Wyatt Earp(1920s) posing for a picture while playing quoit.The clothes he is wearing look like they could easily have come from the 1880s, but are in mint condition and are a perfect fit.This would make me think that Earp could possibly be involved in the making of a Western,maybe as an extra.There have long been rumors of Earp being in some Silent films.He was friends with Willam S Hart and Tom Mix.
Brian Wells , John Wayne met him when he first started in pictures. So perhaps you're right.
Brian Wells , as well as the future John Wayne!
I read that John Wayne was so fascinated by Earp that he took on his persona in his movies..So if you want to know how Wyatt talked or acted in real life to some degree then watch John Wayne in action..
He was an advisor for some of the old movies but did not appear in them.
Problem John Wayne portrayed every character the same in every film he made {{ taking that i account i don't think John Wayne was capable to act out different people ... Edwin J Thompson ....... Beverly Hills CA
Thank you for sharing!
The item looks like quiot which is a pitch and toss game popular in the late 19th early 20th century. A number of these rings are pitched at a wooden X frame with pegs sticking up, and points are scored when a ring hitches over a peg. The more central the peg, the higher the point.
I meet a woman that was a young girl in Los Angles and her mother and her were called to identify Earp when he passed away in los angles.
I always found it interesting that the actor John Wayne used Wyatt Earp as his mentor when he was trying to establish himself as a Western lawman character actor. I have heard that Wayne was in his early 20's that Earp was in his late 70's at the time. Wayne spoke to Earp a number of times in the last couple years of his life.
Wayne was a fraud.
@@willoutlaw4971 Why ?
You called an actor a fraud, see the irony there?
That really really looks like him!! I am convinced
Ther item on the ground is called a "Quoit" Quoits s a throwing game similar to horseshoes where you throw a ring made of metal, rope, or leather, aiming at a peg stuck in the ground. the game was very popular in the late 19th and early 20th century in the usa, having been brought over from europe (England). this image was probably made in san Bernardino, Ca Where the Earps had relatives and Wyatt visited often when living in Los Angeles. Probably taken in the teens or twenties as the person seems to be elderly and Wyatt Earp would have been in his sixties and seventies at that time.
Pretty well established, I think, that this is a genuine Wyatt Earp photo, taken in Colton, CA.
Neat!!!! Very interesting.
Hi Bob Boze Bell..., "Yes.., I ( agree ).., it does look like Wyatt Earp ! !" In front of the San Salvador Church in South Colton, California. "Wayne Earp" was known to visit South Colton, California, in later years and during his advisor to western movies in Los Angeles ( Hollywood ) and other movie sets... Great photo ! ! Mike in Montana :)
Yes I do well remember that jingle
The ring he is looking at looks very much like one used in a game called "quoits".
It was a game played in taverns in north east england . Originally it was a greek game brought to England by the romans.
Great find. As s fan and amateur I believe it is Wyatt Earp and Cotton Ca is sound as well. But I don't think he's looking at the round object. He maybe just outside waiting for something, perhaps a ride into LA.
Thanks for sharing the post and pic.
Wyatt Earp grew up in my hometown of Pella, Iowa. His younger brothers were born there and his sister is buried in Oakwood Cemetery.
Love the old photo. !
More men like him are needed today, wouldn't be tolerated by most, unfortunately.
Well, he would take care of them. I would help him !!!
@@dks13827 so would I. Where are all of the cowboys we need some more to take out the anitifas that caused these riots in the most recent days they need to be hung from a rope and made example out of!!!!!!! No mercy. They all need to fucking die.
@@ingodwetrust225 really, buddy??
@@fortunatoofamontillado1059 I ain't ur Buddy. And if you don't agree with my perspective that is YOUR RIGHT. THIS IS AMERICA AFTER ALL. freedom to think for yourself. 😉freedom to feel. And if you don't like what I had to say well unfortunately I don't give a dam.😂
@@fortunatoofamontillado1059
Yes. Really.
My first thought was this was on a Hollywood film set. I believe he worked as an Old West consultant during the silent movie Era.
I love the word pimp. It says so much about a man. Only in America would Earp and JFK ever be considered heroes. From Wiki, "Earp was at different times in his life a city policeman, county sheriff, a teamster, buffalo hunter, bouncer, saloon-keeper, gambler, brothel owner, pimp, miner, and a boxing referee. Earp spent his early life in Iowa."
Could be horseshoe from a horse that has round hooves. (LOL!) Keep on doing a great job of keeping the old west alive!
The photo could have been taken in Colton, California, where his family lived.
True west magazine when published out of Stillwater Oklahoma was my favorite reading in the 1980s.
Interesting ... Stillwater in the 1980's.
My Mexican great grandfather was his Sheriff's Deputy in Riverside CA.
These are Legends around the entire World.
I just visited Doc's grave a coiuple of weeks ago. If you can find Glenwood Springs, everyone in town can tell you where Doc is buried. YOu have to walk about a mile up a steep dirt trail on the side of a big hill. It felt good to pay my respects and Glenwood Springs is a beautiful small town in Colorado
I'd always heard they either lost where his grave was buried in Colorado, or Major Holliday had him moved back to Griffin, Georgia.
At the gravesite it says his body was buried in an unmarked grave at the cemetery to discourage treasure hunters.
I was told by a family friend that a relative was sent to claim Doc's body and to bring it back to Georgia by rail. where he is resting next to or close to his mothers grave..
@@judyholiday653 I read that exact thing last week when i was researching.
@@larrys-monkey-farmllpee7370 Larry,
I have read and watched a few RUclips videos concerning J.H. Holliday's, supposed, transfer back to Griffin, Georgia.
As a funeral professional for over 36 years, not to mention, growing up in the business, hearing stories of burials from many decades ago...I, frankly, doubt that Doc's body was ever relocated. Though, the embalming process was used during the Civil War, literally, in tents on the battlefield, it was very crude, at best. It hadn't been that many years from when Doc passed. Remember, the modern embalming process is NOT to preserve the body for long term...its to present the body in the best, possible, presentation and to eliminate any, potential bacteria or viruses that may remain on the body after death, that could be contracted by the family or those attending the viewing.
Another words, the process is not like that of the ancient Egyptians.
With that said, Doc was, most likely, buried in the ground for several weeks or longer, prior to his family, attempting to bring him back to Georgia. The deterioration of his tissues and internal organs would have created a horrendous odor (gas), not to mention, his features would have failed quickly.
Frankly, I would not have wanted to have been the individuals hired to bring his body back, even by train in an unsealed pine box. It would have been, tremendously, unpleasant for ALL involved, trust me.
It's my belief, only based upon my knowledge from the above facts that, Doc's family may have wanted the public to not know, exactly, where J.H. was interred, so grave robbers nor Western nostalgics, if you will, would be, less likely, to seek him out for, disrespectful purposes.
Again...just must opinion.
And, without exhuming both graves (current family's permission), we may never know the truth?
By the way...either cemetery would have records, even an unmarked grave, as to where his body was placed. But they were, either paid funds to NOT provide this information or it was agreed by city officials at the time, that it was best to keep it a secret keeping, said characters that I mentioned above, away from the, actual, grave.
"Pitching Quoits", a civil war illustration of soldiers on break by Winslow Homer I believe.
Yes my granddad, (born 1886) taught me to play quoits when was a kid in the 1950's, it's a quoits ring, quoits then were played for money, usually on a flat, clear piece of ground, usually in close proximity to a bar, and most people used old horse shoes cos they couldn't afford to have quoits rings made,, some quoits rings were generations old and family heirlooms.,
I have played Quoit you can but it almost everywhere these days..However, the one thing I am positive of is that is not Henry Antrim in that photo..It just doesn't make sense nor does it add up to the events that he would be dealing with during his short lifespan..
thanks for posting this. Can this photo be viewed online?
Yes he has done many things on the old west, for years, he is very good.
Cool... i'm from San Bernardino. All these years and I haven't stopped to check out the Earp house which still stands. I know Morgan is burried in Colton to.
I’ve seen that photo before. It’s in one of the books I have in my mini library on Wyatt et al.
He's playing quoits.
it looks like he is being posed for the picture, and the photographer probably placed the ring there as a place for him to have a focal point. just my thoughts.
This photo is in parker az we still have that church and earp .ca is Accross the river from us. Which was owned by Wyatt he was known to hang out here locally and ride his horse Accross the railroad bridge.
very nice
That does look like him.
I believe it is him. I also believe he did return to Tombstone, and based on his very quiet and calm persona, he did so without telling anyone. I bet he just wanted to go back and see it one more time in the 1920s as he was growing older, and after a while, quietly left the town that changed his life forever for the last time...... I would have loved to stand in front of that old man and shake his hand, and tell him thank you for the sacrifice you and your brothers made fighting evil, dangerous, violent men. Thank you sir for standing up to the gangs of outlaws that most were afraid to....you suffered and struggled most of your life, and now may you rest in peace.
AlexD this dude was a liar who said he killed Johnny Ringo.
AlexD maybe but tombston was not a town at that time. I believe it is a movie set.
J Calhoun actually he did say that. He said he shot him from 75 yardsaway with a lucky shot.
OH! Please stop with the hero worship. It's sickening. He was a horse thief that his father made it so he could escape.
72 up no more no
How Cool 😎!...
Wyatt Earp died in Los Angeles, in his house at 4004 W. 17th St. There is a Catholic Church located within easy walking distance at 4112 W. Washington Blvd. It is St. Paul's and the original building was built in 1917. I'm trying to find a photo of the original building. That could certainly be a hubcap he's looking at.
I think, the piece on the ground is an O. Because this letter had a great meaning for Mr. Earp. T(o)mbstone, D(o)c Holiday, Ring(o), Mo)rgan and so on. So he looked at the O and know, that he was the only one who knows the Truth.
Right! Also prOvenance, yOutube, bOb, bOOgers, etc...
So you think, he was looking at an O.
most preposterous thing i have ever heard my good man. You are quite mad.
San Diego near old town. Thars not a church but a school which is gone now.
For me a true legend of Far west ! From Italy
Bob, have you seen the movie The Half-Breed(1916).The director claimed Wyatt was an extra ,but no one seems to be able to find anyone remotely resembling him. Well, I think I have and it's well worth a look if you get the opportunity.
I've always loved the Old West and the Earps, Doc Holliday...imagine my pleasant surprise when doing my genealogy a few years ago I discovered Wyatt was a 4th cousin of mine..
Mine, too. 4th cousin, 3 times removed. My grandfather had told me of the relationship but I could not remember. My mother did the family tree of both sides and found the connection before she died. Greetings, Cousin!
@@jamesearp6396 Hi James! Yes he is my 4th , 3x removed as well...coming down from the Joshua Earp line..
I was born March 19.. im the same height and have a short fuse..really.mabee reincarnated..loll
@@stevenwaring1111 theres always that one asshole
@@wbl5649Alot of wannabees we are all related hopefully not to you.
That is a beauty ring of a car headlight
Wyatt lived until the 1920s, which is super amazing! So that could be south Carolina!
I know that director John Ford spoke with Wyatt Earp and he described the OK corral shoot out in detail for the upcoming movie about the OK corral.
You could look at old photos of the church to see if they match or if there is a record that the building has been altered.
This photo I bet is at outdoor studio set in Hollywood! As he have high friends in the silent movie era.
It's a Quoit, a rope ring that you throw over a spike about 5 - 10 yards away. A very popular game in the old days. I used to play it when I was a kid!
How do you pronounce that word, if you don't mind please. Is it "qwoyt"?
Do a John Wesley Hardin clip he was my fav I remember he died August 26th for some reason I can remember that
The backdrop looks like a movie set.
one of my ancestors (my great great great grandfather's cousin) is wyatt earp!
wow good story.
Does anyone know if that thing in the street has ever been identified?
When I first saw this photo a few years ago, I looked at a bunch of cars from that era and none have a hubcap similar to that thing. Very few cars of that era even had hubcaps. I have looked at old stoves, heating & cooking, thinking it was maybe a fitting or something. Anyways, I put a fair effort into trying to figure out what that thing is but no luck. I was just wondering if anyone has identified what it is or where the photo was taken.
It is a metal ring that was used in a throwing game similar to horse shoes. I think horse shoes became more popular because you didn’t have to buy them- everyone had old horse shoes laying around.
Wyatt Earp is a legend!
I wonder if that could be Colton, CA. I know that Virgil had a home there And I believe his parents lived in Agua Mansa, which is nearby.
Yes, without question Earp.
Looks like a headlight ring. There used to be chrome rings that held in headlights.
I think it is a movie set from a John Wayne movie. He frequently went to see the film in production and gave tips to John.
That's the round thing Xena threw LOL!
Pretty sure that's in Pella, Iowa. One of his boyhood homes. The church is still there, just down from where he/his family lived.
Can you name the church you believe it is , thanks.
That's him alright. i'd put my money on it.
he lived and was born in Pella Iowa!
Yes, that's probably Wyatt. But looking at it, it could also easily be the actor Will Wright (miserly old Ben Weaver on The Andy Griffith Show)
If this is Earp, and I tend to believe it is, it matches the physical condition Earp was in late in life. People don't realize the physical labor involved in working a 'hard scrabble' mine in the 1920s as Earp did. Nor, is much said about the fact, Earp was living hand-to-mouth in his later years. He had little choice but to work. This picture is of a man, though advanced in years, is in quite good condition. You may recall the photo of Earp, hatless, in his shirtsleeves, standing beside the Colorado River, gazing across to the Arizona side, (see the photo in Allen Barra's book on the Earp Legend.) Earp made small sums of money as tech advisor on William Hart, and Tom Mix movies. But he was hardly a Hollywood big-shot. This picture 'concurs' with what we know of Earp's appearance at this time in his life.
Having said those things, I think, visually, the photo passes the 'sniff test'. However, like everyone, I would like to see the provenance.
But, take my opinion 'with a grain of salt'. I thought the 'circle' on the ground was an old fashioned lawn-sprinkler.
Keep up the good work, Bob.
its a quoit, its a game, you throw it over or near a peg.
Or horse shoes
Maybe he did return to tombstone. The circle on the ground makes me wonder if it wasn't a marker for where the fight took place?
i'm a 28 year old guy from germany and after watching a western (i don't know which) some years ago, i did some wikipedia research. then i found out about josephine earp. her family-name is the same as mine and after seeing a side-portrait-photograph of her i was chilled because it looked like one of me. i guess i'm related to her :D sadly i have no historical background to it or any family trees.
You're full o'shit.
Cheers!
What if it's a Stage set? Wyatt worked as an adviser in early Hollywood..and somehow avoided getting caught on film (a peculiar mystery to me, how that oversight happened)
Wyatt Earp is in more western magazines than anyone!
Consider if this photo has anything to do with around the times "John Wayne knew Wyatt Earp".
It is Wyatt Earp and it’s in Nome, Alaska.
I have seen this pic of Earp b4. He is on a movie set. Forgot which one.
The buildings in the background are probably from Studio movie location he was probably Consulting on.
Probably somewhere in rural Los Angeles County.
Bob, check out photos of Colton, California in 1920. It shows a church that resembles the one in your photo. Colton is not in the desert of California.
he's looking at a weight used to hold horses in place while hitched to a buckboard... thumbs up from Lake George, NY
this picture of him was taken on a western movie set as some people know they used his knowledge of the west to make a lot of movies god bless
The photo looks familiar but it could be like another shot I've seen of him in the same pose and facing the same way. I agree, it's not Tombstone. Might be Flagstaff but I don't know that he ever was there again after Tombstone.