Did Wyatt Earp Kill Curly Bill?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- For more than a century, writers have identified the site of Wyatt’s shoot-out with the cowboys as having taken place at Arizona’s Iron Springs. Later writers thought that modern maps had changed the moniker to Mescal Springs, which is actually another spring near Iron. Neither site matches Wyatt’s description of the fight.
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Your narrative, including all the failed attempts but finally nailing down the spot in Cottonwood Springs; makes me feel as if I'd dragged my old bones along with you. Well done, amigo. well done indeed.
Pi
My family lived in Tombstone, so I really enjoy hearing stories about Cochise County. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge.
I was stationed at Ft Huachuca for 2 years in the late 1960's...always fascinated by the Earps. I've spent most of of my life reading about all the characters and politics of Arizona and the Mexican border nearby.
Love this stuff. Super interested in Wyatt Earp
I wouldn’t take Stuart Lake’s telling of Wyatt Earp at face value.
Yes, I agree and I believe I made that clear.
@@bobbell7213 … I was reiterating your opinion
Always enjoy your videos very informative and great to watch thank you !
Thank you for making this happen
Great story. The legend of the Earp's gunfight in Tombstone and Wyatt's vendetta has always fascinated me. It's amazing that 140 years later we can still discover new information about those events.
Me too. Can't get enough of it
Thank you, Bob! It’s good that Wyatt Earp’s story was verified, especially by the people you mentioned. It helps a lot when you describe and show the landscape where historical events occurred. Please continue to post this kind of content.
If you like the landscape then check out the InRangeTV video titled "How Wyatt Earp killed Curly Bill Brocious". They go to the location and do a re-enactment.
"He said, she said, they said." Nobody knows.
I think who killed Johnny Ringo (for certain) is a much bigger mystery than who killed Curly Bill Brocious.
I have been reading about the wild west and Wyatt Earp's tale for awhile. Thanks for this video. My great-grandmother was Texas Jack Vermillion's cousin. I only found that out about ten years ago. It's such an important time in our history!
My dad got me interested in reading True West Magazine. He owned grocery stores from January 1950 on until he retired in the 80’s, and all of the stores had magazine and news stands. I can remember going to see relatives in Tucson, Patagonia and Tombstone in the early 50’s through the my last visit in 2016. But my internet in the stories began when I was about 5 or 6. He would read stories that were published in True West and I would fantasize about being there at the different sights we had visited. By the time I was 7 or 8, I was seeking out the magazine when it was distributed to one of our stores. Now that I’m older, much older, I still enjoy the articles and stories along with Bob’s wonderful artwork. I’ve worn boots and a cowboy hat since I could walk, and started riding horses when I was 2. You see, in addition to my dad owning grocery stores and convenience stores, he was a rancher and we raised cattle to butcher and sell in our meat markets. In 2021 my last Quarter Horse, Cash died at 31 and 1/4 years old. And as I said, I’m getting old myself so now I just sit back and enjoy watching your videos and look forward to seeing each new publication of True West. Thanks for a lifetime of enjoyment, I’ve always felt I was born in the wrong century. God Bless!
If I had been the one who had tried to take my 8 1/2 month pregnant wife on a off road truck excursion to Iron Springs, I'D be the one who was shot dead there. Just sayin'...
Fantastic story! To know that guys like you and other top tier old west historians have done the leg work, and verified these priceless pieces of history with your own eyes is very satisfying for those of us who can’t be there ourselves. Thankyou!
That's good detective work
The important thing is that Earp's physical description of the place matches exactly. After 46 years it's easy to mix terrain names up. And Stuart Lake wrote the book. He may have gotten that Spring"s name detail from someone else when he was final editing. When is the archeology dig with metal detectors?
A very good question
Have you watched the InRangeTV video titled "How Wyatt Earp killed Curly Bill Brocious"? Karl Kasarda goes to the location he believes the gun fight happened and lays out a re-enactment of the events as he believes they happened. It's an interesting video even if you disagree with some of the details as he believes them.
I like that one to
Love this story, thanks Bob for buying True West and keeping this history alive
The best part is Wyatt’s story is verified. All of the details of the terrain were just as he described. Maybe other incidents are more fact than fiction too.
The story is 100% uncorroborated. He was a habitual liar. Bill Curly was not in the area the time he claims.
I've always felt that Wyatt Earp was a lawman who would just follow a bad guy out of town, and only Wyatt would return.
@@kensanity178 that is the Hollywood created image of him, but keep in mind Wyatt spent about 5 years part-time "lawing". He spent the rest of his adult life as a gambling hustler, saloon and prostitution business, selling fake gold nuggets, fixing boxing matches and participating in vigilante murders. Read Wyatt Earp, a Viginate Life.
Well, that tells you that he was no angel, which is kind of what I meant. He wouldnt have been beyond just doing what he knew had to be done. No science back then, so when there wasnt a witness, there wasn't any evidence.
@@kensanity178 he was basically a 2 bit hustler and liar. Allie Earp, widow of one of the brothers put it best when she was asked in the 30’s about the legends around the Earps - she said it was all Gingerbread.
Were metal detectors used to confirm a gun fight took place?
Great story Bob. I love western history, so please keep them coming.
Your story of finding Cottonwood Springs was so interesting! I’m so glad your friend could find the exact location!
You really bring these stories to life! I’m glad that Wyatt Earp’s account of the gunfight and the true location matched!
The detail of the gunshot holes in his coat, hat, boot and saddle horn were amazing! Thanks so much for your interest in the Old West! Your pregnant wife was so patient and a good sport on the trail to Iron Springs.
I've heard that colonel George Washington rode in front of his troops under fire, to encourage them in the fight. His coat was reported full of bullet holes. It was said he was never even wounded during his lifetime. 😎👍
Bob is a National Treasure! There is nobody who can express the love for the history quite like he can. It is contageous
That sounds right but I thought Stewart Lake wasn't to be taken seriously
He loses me he rambles so much,can never get what he's saying.
Shotguns can be powerful. But no shotgun is powerful enough to almost rip a person in half. That’s Hollywood hype.
I'm a fan of historical research! When you discover the actual place where history was made? You turn the legendary myth into reality! Fantastic Story Bob! Thanks!😎
Thank you for old west story, Bob. I've got a question for the Wyoming frontier lovers, was Tom Horn guilty of the murder of Willie Nickell near Iron Mountain? Second, Frank Hamer was ambushed at a gas station in Sweetwater, TX in 1916, due to Gladys Johnson, Frank's wife, and she was in the car, all during one of the major fights of the Johnson-Sims feud. How did this all begin, and how did it conclude?
I like it. I'm always checking for reality vs fiction in historical movies. Even in fictional movies, I see people firing Desert Eagle semi-autos like BB guns, or throwing 8 bars a gold into a bag and throwing on their back. I'm thinking "Come on, no one can fire a Desert Eagle without kick or lift hundreds of pounds of gold and running off with it." One of my friend's tells me I ruin the movies by noticing and commenting, but it ruins the realism for me.
Been following you since 1977. I moved back to Ohio in '98. But still look for your stories all the time. Thank you.
Thank you Bob for the update. I jad heard the story by someone else who visited Iron Creek and said the Cottonwood were no longer there. Names of areas can easily get messed up.
Great video, it's always very interesting to hear you tell your experiences. Awesome that you guys went to really verify Wyatt story.
In Range did a Y.T. episode: "How Wyatt Earp Murdered Curly Brocious" in December 2015 with archaeological evidence of spent shot, bullets, casings and 4 horse shoes/a spent round withing the 4 horse shoes. Also, Roadrunner Adventure says he did a map study of the site(s) as well: "Wyatt Earp // Curly Bill Site Visited '// Mine Canyon and Iron Spring." This posting is from March 2022. Note that Karl from In Range is an Earp detractor on many levels. All sorta interesting....., argumentative....in that Roadrunner's is mainly passive off-roading with little to no reference to the actual site, events or any examination other than a walk along a wash....
Liberal democrap version of erasing history. A pox on them all.
I love the story. It brings light the true facts, proving the authenticity of the story. Thank you Bob! We can always count on you to get provable facts.
I'm a lover of history and especially of Earp, Billy the Kid and all of those western gun slingers. Being from Texas I always wondered about Wes Hardin getting the drop on Hicock. Thank you Bob for your investigative history lesson and blessings to your dear wife. Reuben Richardson
I remember hearing several years back about the location of the
Earp brocius cowboy fight being constested although some of the details elude me now i think what i heard and what your saying isthe same location it is said that horse shoes were found with a metal detector and were in such position as to appear as if a horse had died in that spot it was also said that .45 cal. Bullets were found in a hillside nearby its unfortunate that the only remaining history of the wild west is mostly legal documents the history of the men and women of the west is fading away as theyre all gone those that knew them are mostly gone so all we have left is historians who by in large are getting on in age its good we have youtube to help the historians share theyre storys for years to come
Your Awesome! I could listen to you forever. I'm glad I found you on You Tube. I have seen you on the History Channel before.
Thank you so much for the research- that was fantastic knowing the Cabal didn’t hijack another great piece of the West History- great job!
I don't think he killed curly Bill men camped at the spring that were no better or no worse than Wyatt Earp tell a different story this man named Arnold said that Wyatt Earp who is the only one that done any firing which matches the story fought with four men who was the only ones camp at the springs and it currently bill at the time was in Mexico dodging a larceny charge. And the second part may be a fairy tale Arnold said he hit Wyatt Earp several times and that is still vest saved him. A lot of people say that Wyatt Earp would not be able to wear a steel vest but then they forget about killing Jim Miller who wore one and it saved his life twice in a fight with the sheriff. So yeah a man who had a fear of dying definitely wore steel vests. And there's one more story a lot of people said curly Bill was never seen in Arizona again well some of the people in Arizona say that's not true and that he found out about his death at the hands of Wyatt Earp 9 years later I tend to believe the story The Men camped at the spring said there was only for men there none of them were on any warrants and they said there was some local hombre firing at them and they fired back
Loved the story but what was your wife over 8 months pregnant reply when you told her on your trip things didn't match up!
Stories about characters will be embellished as long as they are entertaining. Bil could have seen the writing on the wall. He could have gotten a epiphany. He could have been on Wyatt side the whole time.
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I love to hear him tell it.
Thanks for your great work Bob! You know, I get the feeling, Wyatt Earp was never satisfied in one area too long unless he was making decent money. He seemed to be a wanderer. I get the feeling, he couldn’t wait to get outta Tombstone, AZ. Just from all the ordeals he went through and loosing his brother there, made Wyatt long for greener pastures. Can you imagine, as he aged, just looking at his older photos, I get the feeling, when I look in his eyes, I see a lot of pain and regrets in his past life. Yes, he was stoic in nature and didn’t say much, but he was a human being. Many of nights, I’d imagine he cried thinking about his brother and his past life, the hardships. I see sadness through his eyes of a hard-lived life with sadness. He missed his friend Doc Holiday immensely and longed for the times when he shared a friendship he never really could pen to paper. Doc Holiday was an outcast due to his consumption. But, Doc knew Wyatt truly respected him because Wyatt was a bit of a loner and outcast in his younger days. Something tells me, if you embellished or told tall-tales, you know, BS, Wyatt wouldn’t care for that type of person. If you were honest and easy-going, he would take to you.
An old saying taken from Bible scripture says a righteous man shall not suffer the slings and arrows of those who should rise against him , so In terms of Wyatt E. Not suffering a scratch throughout his life in such treacherous events holds true as he was righteous against the unrighteous
Great video! "In range" did an amazing video on this exact topic
Two things besides the site came out of this; Wyatt was not a liar and you don't mess with Wyatt Earp!
That was Great! I had heard about Wyatt having his gun belt down around his knees before, Amazing!
Always enjoy Bob’s videos 🤠
Bob, I have several of your books which I obtained after visiting Dodge City and Tombstone. As a youngster, I spent a great deal of time at my uncle's hacienda in Old Mammoth, Az, which is where I learned to ride horses. In all the years I have fooled around with horses & cattle, I've never enjoyed riding as much as I did in the Arizona desert! Thanks so much for what you do!
That last message was a fail. What I was trying to convey is that I have followed you for quite some time, and now you have succeeded in archiving all of the True West magazines (which had to be an enormous task), and I appreciate all that you have done with western history. So, I subscribed for both the digital and hard copy of the magazine. I would recommend that anyone who hasn't subscribed should do so. The work that you have done, as well as that you have inspired, is priceless. Thank you for all of that!
It must be fun being you Bob!
Also about 20 years ago I had the honor of dropping in on Marshall Trimble totally unannounced and on the spur (no pun intended) of the moment.
He was in his office at Scottsdale Community College (if my memory serves correctly)
I couldn’t have been treated with more warmth and kindness by he and his secretary! He spent over an hour with me telling stories and sharing his vast knowledge of the Earps etc.
I finally had to leave because of other engagements but I had the distinct feeling that Marshall would’ve stayed there for as much time as I wanted. His Western library is amazing as well.
He’s one of the only people I’ve ever met who actually has a copy of Timothy Fattig’s book “Wyatt’s Earp” which I’ve looked for for ever since!
What a true gentleman!
Amazing story!
God! I love western history ❤️
Thank You! 👍
Great video and explanation. I’ve wandered around Cochise County for years. Like you, I want to walk where they walked and see what they saw. Glad you got ahold of Bill Evans.
Stuart Lake: "Iron Springs sounds cooler, Wyatt, let's go with that."
I love these stories - as a geologist who once wandered the West in search of oil and even uranium, I found so many old cabins and read so many tales that seemed far fetched - I marveled at what their story was. And it was only going to Lincoln, White Sands, Three Rivers, and all those place that you understood Garrett, The Kid, Oliver Lee, and all those stories to be fascinating even when you were sure both sides telling a different story were doing so from a different perspective. And it was that way where ever I went - E Utah, Wyoming, SW Colorado, and places nearer my home in Oklahoma... good stuff.
i know the feeling of being at these actual locations. my family moved to Tombstone in 1953/4 i was 8 years old and loved the thought of walking on the same streets as Earp.
Frank are you still in Arizona these days ?
@@dks13827 no left arizona in 1972 havent been back, probably wouldent recognize it now. old guy i once new said its wise to not go home after many years, because the fond memories will be gone. i lived in Tombstone way before it became a restored tourest town. i remember the Bird cage was abandand and boarded up.
Didn’t they find a skeleton or some shells around there that was semi-confirmation or Texas Jacks horse? I thought I remember hearing that somewhere..
Many people do not know that George Washington was also considered bulletproof.
One particular scout had a bead on Washington, during a battle, & because he was known for never missing, was shocked, when Washington did not go down. He too, would have bullet holes in his clothes, but not hit himself.
Devine intervention?
Can you please give the longitude and latitude of this location? You are able to go on Google Maps if need be and do a pin drop, after putting the pin drop you will notice up in your search bar it will show the latitude and longitude of the location.
Very good! I really liked your narrative. It sheds much light on this and really brings it to life; not just s story, but real life events!!
Wait a second, Bob. Where are the photos of the site? Nobody had a camera (or phone). We just have your handsome face telling a story? :)
Love these videos. As a westerner who grew up on all these stories you really do them justice and bring them to life. Would love to see photo's of where the shootout was!
Wyatt did not name the springs where he encountered Curley Bill. He had drawn a crude map of the area.
Loved all this information and great historical content. Appreciate all that you do Bob!!👏👏👏
Someone needs to take a metal detector there to see if they can find any of the shot from the shotguns or any artifacts!
Good stuff. I've always thought it was strange that many people thought Earp would lie about killing, arguably, the most popular of the Cowboy faction. If killing anyone of that crew would get Earp strung up by a Kangaroo Court, it would have been Brocius. If Earp killed Ike Clanton in church, they would have finished the singing before checking for a pulse.
Earp didn't even lie to authorities about killing a punk-thug like Frank Stillwell, he just didn't admit it. Many think the 'Vendetta Posse' went to their graves-technically-as wanted men in Arizona. Lying about killing Bill Brocius to embellish a story containing plenty of derring-do has always hoisted my Conservative eyebrow.
Well done, Bob.
Good points................. Now, if Wyatt really claimed to have killed Ringo..............that seems odd. ( I think Ringo killed Ringo, myself )
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I concur, your Honor. He threatened suicide several times to different people. It does seem quite likely.
I've seen a few recountings of the last week, or ten days of Ringo's life. They vary of course. Though the general scheme remains constant; Ringo had been drunk a week or more at the time of his death .
One version has Ike Clanton and Ringo flush with the proceeds of a land swindle at the outset of the bender-something over two-thousand dollars apiece in their pockets. That's near sixty-thousand today. That kind of money in a cow-thief's pocket wasn't unheard of. Tom McClaury had between three, and four thousand on him when he died in Tombstone. Two things seemed constant about Ringo; one, he would drink until he was flat-broke, two, he was a terrible gambler who never seemed to either, win, or quit while he was ahead. Mathematicians say that's two sides of the same coin. The listing of his apparel at the time of his death had Ringo looking like anything but a habitually drunken cow thief. That gives credence to the idea Ringo started the binge with enough money that it was possible for him to appear 'well-turned-out'. It also provided ample funds to get drunk enough, long enough, despite his usual heavy losses, such that, if it crossed Ringo's mind to blow his brains out, it would likely seem like a good idea.
Having said all that, one thing still gives me pause. A man I categorize somewhere between the cowardly Billy Claiborne and the gutless Johnny Behan, quite likely was the last man to see Ringo alive. Other than whomever killed him. That man was Deputy Sherriff, Billy Breckinridge. In the heat of a mid-July Arizona day, on what was likely Ringo's last day, Breckinridge met Johnny on the road not far from where he died. Ringo offered his bottle to Breckinridge. Billy dutifully turned the bottle up and the whiskey was too hot to drink. How Billy handled that escapes me. But it was notoriously dangerous to refuse to drink with Ringo.
Billy would have noticed several things at this meeting. First, Ringo was 'dressed to the nines', second, word would have gotten around; Ringo had been drinking hard for days, and spending like he'd hit the 'mother lode', three, Ringo was still drinking, that meant he still had money, four, he would likely be passed out like a light by dark. What did the feckless deputy do with this information?
As a Behan deputy, though perhaps not a bosom-buddy, Ringo would have thought of Breckinridge as a distant ally. Billy would know Ringo's likelihood, if not his stated plan for the day. Anyone with half-a-brain could see the Cochise County Cowboys' career-plan was at its nadir. Another fallen brick from the wall between Ringo's world and the next? Many think so. Even members of the Cowboy faction considered Ringo to be the proverbial 'wolf with a barbed-wire tail who didn't care where he dragged it'. If Kurt Russel's Earp was believable, and Kilmer's portrait of 'Doc' was 'loose but permissible', Michael Biehn's capture of the real Johnny Ringo's persona, and world-view was spot-on, maybe Oscar-worthy.
Now, if Breckenridge found the man dead-drunk and defenseless, or soon to be, with a pocketful of money; would he take the gangster out? No. Billy didn't have the guts. But he knew people who, for the right money, would pluck spokes from Granny's wheel-chair, show her the new stairs, and give her a shove. Breckenridge had the imagination to concoct a plan that enlisted Curly Bill's aid to collect taxes from the Cowboys who held land in the county. So, yeah; Breckenridge would be quite capable of hatching a simple scheme to lay Ringo low. Did he do that? Without Clara Brown's able reportage from deep in the bowels of a Galeyville, or Charelston saloon, we don't have a dependable resource. Now, you know what I know, and some things I only suspect. Take it from there, 13827. Just how did 'the cow eat the cabbage'? Keep me in the loop.
'Careful out there,...swivel...six...and all that---Kenny
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Great stories (and facts) so well told sir. Thanks for this, very interesting accounts.
good one. My Uncle was one of the owners that owned the Diamond Springs Hotel and Bar, historical site in Diamond between Hangtown and El Dorado in Calif. Black Bart ran in these areas
back in the day and My Grandfather was the parade gereral in charge of the festivities for Placerville western days. I spent my summer and winter school vacations up there. I'm 83 now, was 9 back then.
Thanks James, hope you are doing well.....
Hey Bob! InRangeTV mentions this story and also says that some bullets were found as well as four horseshoes with bent nails (meaning they were on the horse when lost). Was that y’all who conducted that dig?
U.S. Marshall’s service absolved Earp from any blame for these killings,continued to employ him, and refused efforts by the authorities in Arizona territory to extradite him.
The U,S marshals had issued warrants for all male member of the Clansy family and their employees at the request of the government of Mexico. President Chester Arthur ordered the marshalls to take the Clancys dead or alive.” The reason was that the Mexicam ambassador had threatened that the Mexican army to invade Arizona and take the Clancys prisoner or kill them themselves. According to the Mexicans, the Clancy’s had murdered a number of people in Mexico, including a wealthy and well-connceted rancher, and had stole large herds of cattle from Mexican ranchers. So Prersident Arthur, who had created the U.S. Marshall’s service a short time earlier, gove the marshalls strict instruction to capture or if they resisted arrest kill the clancythe Clancys and their employees, in order to deny the Mexicans any pretext for an invasion.
Earlier, before Earp had begun his campaign against the Clancy's the sheriff of the Mexican district adjoining Earp’s jurisdiction had come to Tombstone to meet with Earp. He showed Earp extensive evidence of the murders and thefts that the Clancys had committed in Mexico, and made Earp swear that he would either arrange their extradition to Mexico or bring them to justice in the UNited States. He also told Earp that the Mexican government would pay a large reward to whoever brought the Clancys to justice. That gave Earp yet another reason to either arrest tor kill the Clancys. I don’t know whether Earp ever received the award.
Thus the motives behind his vengeance ride” was not primarily to avenge the shooting of his two brothers, although must have contributed to his motivation. His primary motive was to please President Arthur and the U.S. Marshall’s Service by preventing a possible second Mexican war.
Some years later, after the controversy over the events in Tombstone, the Federal government rewarded Earp with a highly paid job as a postal inspector in San Franciso. A position that he held for many years, and that helped Earp to make up the financial losses he had suffered from in earlier years. The U.S. Federal government never did arrest Earp or extradite him to Arizona, despite the pleas of the both the territorial, county and municipal governments in Arizona that he be extradicted and tried for murder. Before he was hired as a postal inspector, Earp worked as a" lawman “ in numerous towns and cities throughout the West, other than Arizona. The Federal government never made any effort to prevent his being hired by any of these municapal jurisdictions.
The preponderence of evidence clears Earp of any criminal wrongdoing, and indicates that Earp was an honest law enforcement officer and a man of good moral character. He was not the vindictive murderer as his enemies in his lifetime and some historians in recent times describe him.
Wyatt Earp DID NOT kill Curly Bill, He just straightened him out.
Ninguno de los dos era más rápido,desenfundando la pistola que johnny Ringo,entre los dos : Doc y Wayatt,lo emboscaron,en unos matorrales,mientras que Doc,lo conversaba,Wayatt,le disparo,y lo mato,descuidado,fue una "Trampa" ellos lo habían planeado. ?
The History of the West owes a lot to men like you Bob.🔫🤠👍
Wow that story is amazing. I'm from Silver city New Mexico. I have extended family in Deming and Santa Fe. And Albuquerque.
Look up my great great Grandfather. George O Perrault. Look at the artifacts in the Silver city museum.
It's funny I'm watching the movie James Garner version of these incidents.
Bob, was Curly Bill's grave ever found? That would be good video to do
No because he wasn’t killed
I to throughly enjoy physically being where history was made. I have been to Gettysburg, Fort Sumter, Little Bighorn, Deadwood, Lead Colorado, Fort Griffin Texas, Dallas Book depositery, Pearl harbor and others. They are all enlightening.
Who woulda thunk you might find Cottonwood trees in a place called......
Oh, never mind....🤣
I am commenting per your request good sir! Great example of Wyatt's life, as the truth is there if look. Or 'sand' like you said... Wyatt may not have always been in the right but he wasn't always wrong?!?! LMAO 🤣
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I LOVE this stuff!!!! I'm going to tell you a story you just might.like. I work with a young woke, gay girl who has maybe 3 drops of Native American blood. She is SUCH a victim and of course knows everything about Native Americans.(End of the Trail sums it up) I was talking to another woman in the office about all the things Geronimo did; teach school, farming, celebrity, selling his autograph and the buttons off his clothes and eventually dying a wealthy. Miss Woke butted in, red in the face and IN MY FACE she said, "I don't know what your source is but I DO KNOW Geronimo would NEVER have ridden in Roosevelt's parade!! And she swept out of the office, all her sails
flying.So I logged onto her computer and gave her a new wallpaper. In large letters it says across the top Smithsonian Institute. You know the picture of course. And I put a little post it note that said Geronimo, with a little arrow pointing at his head. I haven't seen this unpleasant girl since, probably best for both of us.
"Molasses on a cow chip". Heh, heh.
I'd love to see any photographs of the site if they were available.
I think of how close you came to altering the long held belief, in error. And, how all of that would have played out.
I often wonder how the Earps, Curly Bill, Doc Holliday, Johnny Ringo, etc, would react if they somehow discovered that the gunfight at the OK Corral and subsequent events would be studied, analyzed, dissected, depicted in endless paintings, written about in numerous books, made into tv shows, documentaries, RUclips videos and several Hollywood movies for over the 120+ years since it happened.. (Of course, after someone explained to them what television, documentaries, movies and RUclips were.)
F..in' A!! I too love to walk through history. I'm originally from Jacksonville Beach and visited St Augustine... never get enough. Then moved to Sierra Vista and discovered the "Old West!" Already addicted to history Cochise County just increased my desire for more. Thanks to actually Tombstone natives, I've learned much and I too prefer truth to fiction even if it's not flattering. That's why history is greatly fascinating!! Again, I love too put events into a setting perspective to better understand and I found this to be true here in Cochise County. I too have found artifacts from the prehistoric to mining era just by looking in and around my sister's home! Note: Cochise County was actually "Cachise," Apache Chief, but the AZ state recorder thought Cochise is better than Cachise, so it is now. Love the True West Mag!
This was a very interesting story. Have you tried to find artifacts?
Thank for sharing.
Rod King
Fresno, CA
PS: My son lives in Sierra Vista
I love that era in time when Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday were good buddies, just shooting up them damn Cowboys! *"I'm your Huckleberry."*
Sir thank you I love western history so much! My claim to fame if you can call it. Was a good friend of mine and I went to hole in the wall near Kaycee Wyoming about a year after Robert Redford visited it. Went in on horseback with the owns of the land. Had Redford's book the out law trail with the pictures in knew it was the right place. LoL I was in heaven!!
I heard all the hate for Wyatt Earp started because of a boxing match he officiated. Is that true.
That’s what gives it credibility... his gun belt loosen and slipped down to his knee caps and kept him from straddling his horse... it’s not a very self flattering portrayal of oneself, especially the most celebrated western hero of the west. Rather it’s an autobiographical account of the reality of killing someone in a gun fight ... things can go south quickly, and it shows his humility to recount a humiliating reality of war. You could lose your britches and horse in a gun fight if your gun belt comes loose.
Brother, thank you for your excellent video. And as I listened to your story unfold, I was thinking about those hombres camping around those springs after there crimes.. gambling and drinking and I thought, yep? If I were you and your pals I would borrow some metal detectors and go looking for some buried history, around those springs. Bullet casings, buried gold? Who, knows? But those springs were used by everyone who must drink water, for centuries! I envy you, guys. j
Has anyone taken metal detectors into the area and conducted a proper survey, like they did at the Little Bighorn?
Cottenwood Springs is a far piece west of Iron Springs just off highway 93 on the West side between Wikieup and Wickenburg. What was the Curly Bill Gang doing way up there?
Hey Bob. If it was possible to step through a doorway and find yourself in 1880 Tombstone, Az as a 35 year old man yourself, and you could spend a total of 3 years there and on the day before the end of the third year you could return back to your normal life would you do it? I certainly would. Give me a thumbs up if you would. Take care, Mike.
It seems to me that Frank McLaury, and to a lesser extent Tom, were the actual catalysts for the events on October 26, which happens to be my own birthday.. Wyatt and Ike were on/off conversent with one another, and Ike did not join in the gunfight, despite the threats and harsh language exchanges. Someone should make a new movie placing the McLaurys at the villainous center.
Very good...I am very interested in the old west anything I can learn...so this was good. A very interestingg time in the westward movement of America...the old west. Watching Gunsmoke as I write this. Bruce
You shouldn't love k away from your camera while talking . You lose credibility in telling your story. TKS
With all the movies like Tombstone, Young Guns hyping up and dramatizing the events (and making some completely just for the movie), I think the more you look for the real story and what really happened, the more disappointing it is, because your view of it is formed from the books and movies you like and reality is much more blah and boring. I remember hearing how the real Billy the Kid was a more of a rat/informant than anything else.
Wow! Love the Wyatt Earp story!! All I know is the movie Tombstone 😅! I wan Wyatt to be the he hero, but I’m still watching this!!
When I visited Custer Battlefield I got the strangest feeling. Same feeling I got a t Gettysburg. Very strange.