This reminds me of all the times Gordon Ramsay went into restaurants on Kitchen Nightmares and whenever he'd find expired food they'd always say "oh we weren't going to serve that" and Gordon would come back with "THEN WHY IS IT IN THERE YOU TWAT?!" 😂 The sentiment remains
@@soph6539 What I don't understand is how kitchen nightmares was real. But I've gone down a rabbit hole and yeah, it was all real. Like how could you not clean up knowing Gordon is coming??
Exactly 💯.. those cartons of milk were in the small fridges that are for products that are to be used first. There is more milk being stored in a bigger fridge in the back. However, vendors will take returns on expired/damaged products, it varies but id say 98% of them do. So if they had these left over and they were to be returned they wouldnt be in the small fridge up front. They would be in the back stock fridge AWAY from the "good" milk, waiting for the vendor to exchange them. Also, even if the milk smells "fine", there could still be bacteria forming and when added to hot coffee it will spoil. Bacteria thrive in heat
Former barista here; what really stood out to me is how slow is this place that the milk even has time to expire? We went through milk like crazy at my cafe. So much that we would often run out and I would have to go to the boutique grocery store across the street to buy some more. I'll freely admit, one time something went bad .. there were these take away hard boiled eggs and I was shocked to see they were weeks expired. I ate one and it was fine but oops.
Seriously, this! If you have that much milk leftover for that long, you have to adjust your stock orders and not stock up so much. Don't buy five gallons of milk when you only sell half in a week?
For real!! I worked at a boba tea place and we had like three different kinds of milk and could go through a ton in a week! Watching this vid I just have to wonder how bad this place is TTOTT
Omg same. Ive managed more than one coffee shop and to me the fact the boss doesn’t want to rid the expired product is screaming “I can’t keep losing money!” He should call the Health Dept on the shop.
Probably just bad FIFO (first in first out) practiced by some employees but not all so product rotation isnt consistent or watched over? That's the only thing I can think of tbh I don't work as a barista but I run a restaurant and 22 days is a L O N G time for something to sit around, no matter what product it is. Their distributor also could have dropped off old milk, as our distributor has brought us rotten produce before, but again, someone needs to be overseeing and double checking all of this stuff before it even gets put away.
SO of an ex Starbucks Manager here and this is what she said in response to this, "Milk or any other product that has a printed sell by date, needs to be sold by or poured down the drain and marked as a loss. No way in hell would any food business keep that in the fridge unless they wanted the health department to shut them down for serving expired products. Would you serve this to your children or family and be ok with it?"
Yep and they prob don’t want to mark it all out and take the loss bc they really are struggling that bad. Horrible business practice. Just shut down if that’s what your business morals have come to!
I mean....if it smelled and looked fine, I'd absolutely serve it to my family, but my personal supply of milk is very different than the unknown expired milk at a cafe/restaurant. Expiry/sell by dates are arbitrary; they're an estimate and there's no U.S. regulation on how to determine them, just that food products must have them. That being said, again, products in your home are very different than products in an establishment.
@@Amarianee I have the same way of thinking. I work at a grocery store. We usually have a deal on 18 pack eggs. Like a buy two get them $x off. Some people buy the total of 36 eggs not realizing eggs "expire" within like 6 weeks. I will get questions asking if they are still ok to eat like a week after the "expiry dates." Legally and morally I have to tell them I can't advise on that. Personally, I would eat them😬
I’d bet someone who was putting inventory away wasn’t adhering to first in first out and not rotating stock so the stuff in the back expired but the front wasn’t. He could have rearranged the fridge when he noticed.
"He didn't show the milk that WASN'T out of date!" No shit, sherlock. Just because you have milk that is in date, doesn't mean you're not serving the shit that's out of date.
Also said "neglected to show the fresh milk in the fridge" well everything he showed us was in the front which means you were saving that fresh milk for later and currently using the spoiled ones- 😭
@@goingferalluvs not necessarily. I work at a coffee shop and we found a jug of milk that was way out of date and have been pushed to the back of the fridge. We weren't serving spoiled milk, but there was a jug that was spoiled in our fridge. That's absolutely what could have happened here. It could have been pushed to the back of the fridge and he decided for whatever reason to make a video like that. I don't know I've seen people do worse for less. If they have been serving milk that was that out of date they would have been getting a lot of complaints.
@@lostineggsaisle then that only serves as another indication that the coffee shop isn’t being run properly. It wasn’t like they just had one jug that got lost, but multiple. Running a restaurant properly means keeping the old stuff in the front and the newest in the back, so every one knows when to either serve it or throw it out. If they have multiple lost jugs of weeks old expired milk, it only shows they’re not cleaning out the fridge regularly and organizing it from oldest to newest
The owner's response lets me know the employee was telling the truth. Nowhere do they dispute that those cartons of milk were in the fridge. If he'd done it himself, they would have jumped all over it.
Yeah, her saying he didn’t show the unexpired cartons rubbed me the wrong way. I’ve worked at a restaurant, and it does not matter if you have 10 unexpired cartons of milk, you have to dump the expired stuff as soon as it goes, so no one accidentally uses it. Why are they keeping all this expired stuff in the fridge if they have sooo many unexpired cartons of milk 🙄
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
6:40 "We welcome the health department to do inspections any time." Yeah, I'm sure you would, after you replace the product being shown in the video that started the controversy. Only thing a clean bill would prove at this point is that you got caught violating health code, and immediately cleaned up the mess after that was exposed, just in time to avoid fines.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
So their story is that he randomly got upset, started acting erratically and it manifested by the employee bringing old milk into the store & filming it to lie on them. Mmkay.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872coming into the comment section of a RUclipsr while also sucking that boot for the company is honestly wild. I hope they seasoned the leather first so it can at least taste good.
So, I've worked in restaurants for years, and while not in California, some rules are universal. No up to snuff establishment would even HAVE that much expired milk if they weren't serving it. And yes, legally, it is considered expired. Sure when im at home I might let the milk slide for a week, but NEVER when serving something to a customer. The fact that the owner is now saying that they invite anyone to come look at their fridges/milk only tells me that they saw the criticism online and will make the effort to get rid of anything expired for the next couple of months, and then go back to their old ways.
I totally agree!! What would be the point in having all of that milk If you're not selling it? Why not just get rid of it or take it home if you're using it for yourselves? Idk it's weird. And it's kind of crazy how they're saying "nope he's lying. Sorry yall, we have proof" but he literally showed the cartons lol i'm just having a hard time imagining this guy being like "I'm gonna buy hella milk and let is sit in my fridge till it's weeks past sell by date. Then I'm gomma take it to work and pretend we use it in the customers coffee" 😂 like why? Even for clout that seems very extreme
Exactly. Ive managed several coffee establishments in my past and my immediate following thought was if they really are holding onto that much expired stock and being so pushy about not ridding and marking it out, they must really be hurting and can’t keep losing money to the point where they’re going to serve it to customers! Just close your shop down at this point if that’s becoming your business model and someone plz call the Health Dept for gosh sake.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
@stefanbrown5872 you're doing the opposite of helping the business by posting this. You're saying you have proof but not actually link ways to get to it. Which makes you sound like the butthurt owner doing damage control making me believe this guy. You're going under multiple comments sounding like the deranged person
No. Sell/best by dates are not safety dates. I work in California with a food handlers card and years of serve safe training and a health code inspector would not even violate for milk past its date unless maybe it was a lot of bottles being used and they were all moldy and chunky. Otherwise, they might just point out an expired bottle as a courtesy. Not in restaurants not in grocery stores. It takes a LOT of disgusting violations to get shut down in California. There is even a certain amount of rat droppings that can be present in our food! I read a list of violations from a local Little Caesar's business once and they were making the food at home and then transporting it in their vehicles back to the restaurant which is definitely not serve safe. They also had food storage on the floor and a bunch of other gross things going on but they didn't get shut down. Just needed to correct it. Although, I personally have never worked in a place that allowed using product past the date but that is a company policy, not a law. There are some things like baby formula that is completely illegal to sell but you'd be surprised how much isn't.
by health and safety laws, a health inspector would write them up....... ALL products need to be stickered when they we;re opened and then disposed of on the correct best by dates. ALL THESE ASS HATS COMMENTING THAT THIS IS FINE. actually NO it is not okay!!!!!!
I don’t know how ANYONE would ever think this situation is ok. I managed a convenient/deli store while going through college (one of my 3 jobs haha), and we had very strict rules to get EVERYTHING out of the store if the sell by date was expired because we would get written up for it. The corporation that owned the store had me as manager, an assistant manger and a district manager that would be in the store daily to make sure paperwork, debts, and all foods/drinks and good sell by dates because if the health board came in, we’d get warnings/fines. This is NOT ok
additionally, as someone who worked in a grocery store for years and was responsible for disposing of past-date milk, milk is NOT GOOD 2 weeks after the best by date. even milk that hasn’t been opened will spoil about a week after the date. i got paid to dump spoiled milk out for years. this is insane.
yes! and is it just me who is bamboozled by why so many people are insisting there are specific definitions and uses for the terms “use by” and “sell by.” who’s been telling everyone that lol?
I was literally baffled I had to look it up to double check myself. Absolutely just ????? Even if that was legal, it says a lot about the management in that coffee shop so I'm not sure id want to order there anyways.
Yeah at my previous job, think like Walgreens, I was in charge of outs. Each day looking through lists of items and physically looking at sales floor items, like otc medication has an expiration date and we need to pull them either 30 days before or 1 day for milk products. If my old store who didn't sell cooked foods had to do it, you would think a place that does would have stricter rules.
Keeping things past the best by or sell by date, is something I'd do at home ONLY. If I'm going to a coffee shop or restaurant or anywhere, I wouldn't want things to be past the best by or sell by date
California Food Service worker 🙋🏻♀️. EVERYTHING in the kitchen has a label with an expiration date or time, once that time/ day is reached, it is trash. There is no tasting or smelling to see if it’s good, we go according to labels. Specially if it’s being held in a fridge that is constantly being open because there is a higher risk items have not kept the proper temperature.
I worked at a small cafe years ago where this kind of crap was pulled. There was one time where I witnessed an employee being told *by the owner* to serve curdled milk. Every employee who threatened to call the health department was fired within days. I lasted four months at that place, and literally only because I needed the paycheck. That cafe was shut down by the health department within a few months of me quitting. Apparently, the violations were so bad the owners couldn't pay the fines. I will admit, I'm not shocked. I believe everything this employee has said based on my own experience with a terrible owner.
I worked in food service and those milk bottles would have had my boss SCREAMING that the health inspector would shut us down (never said it was a good work place but, eh.)
'He was showing erratic behavior and had to be escorted from the premises by security." Dude was the chillest of the chill. I saw no "erratic behavior".
he was "chill" when he got told to leave. but here's the thing, he's and employee. he is bound to his responsiblities and behavioural expectations usually by a legally binding contract and an employee handbook that he would have signed. so yes, a cafe employee running all over the place, making tiktoks with questionably accurate information and neglecting his duties which he has agreed to follow in a legally binding contract (which usually also will contain a social media policy that 100% forbids this kind of behaviour that he has placed himself in breach of) is erratic behaviour. when he goes in there for work, it's clear what the expectations for his bahviour are. he certainly did not meet those. he also majorly put himself in breach of a social media policy if the cafe have one, it's pretty standard and most places big and small do to prevent anyone from out of pocket behaviour like this that can effect the companies income and reputation. so no, you didn't see any erratic behaviour in the way that you might think erratic behaviour is, he wasn't being over the top, resisting or being aggressive but as an employee, yeah he absolutely could be described as behaving erratically by doing this.
@@strongerbynature5842Yep! And if he really was that concerned why didn't he call the health department? Why post it to tik Tok? Where are the many many customers that have drank spoiled milk to come forward, and validate this employees experience?
This dude isn’t chill. I’m a local and he was sending me threatening messages for calling him out. I got the receipts. He’s getting dragged in our community pages. And thinks threatening people is a good way to sell his idea of opening his own shop. RUclips is a cesspool sometimes. Just know our commits loves the coffee shop he attacked and it’s well supported. There’s never been any issues.
@@stefanbrown5872 I'm starting to believe you're related to the unhygeinic cow who runs the coffee shop. You're all over this thread making wild accusations about this employee and denying that a cafe selling expired dairy products is a public health risk.
as a business owner if the health inspector walks in and you have a bottle of milk thats 1 day past the best by date anywhere in the cooler they start writing violations
I’m glad you questioned how long the shop was closed for the milk to still be there after their “holiday closure” excuse. When I worked at a cafe and we were going to be closed, we always had to dump/throw out anything that would be expiring before the closure. This was at both big corps and mom & pop places. So this shop is def being sus.
I worked in a kitchen and we would never leave perishable/close to expiration items before a period of closure. Who wants to come back to work and deal with moldy products in your fridges?
You know what would be easy to do for the coffee shop is to post the security video of that day when he posted the milk video to see if he did "stage" the bad milk or was it already in the fridge when he filmed it that would prove that it was staged or that he was telling the truth that the milk that was already in the fridges were expired
At the end of the day that milk should not have been in the fridge. I get it if youre closed for the holidays but expired products should have been tossed before reopening.
Exactly. Don't keep product you don't intend to use. I assume they were open at least some of the 24th, and most retail places reopened 26th. And he said it was the 27th, when filming (the person who was there in the background didn't correct him). So, I could _just about_ forgive it for the one that expired on the 26th, assuming the person who closed on the previous day just didn't finish their job for the night, but not the other two. I mean, they should have been thrown out _weeks_ earlier (they were done on the 5th & 9th), if you're closing down before a holiday, then throw out anything expired or that will expire during the closure before you close...so even if the first 2 had some how been overlooked for 2 weeks because no one buys them, then that should have been caught on the 24th. It makes me wonder if he knew they were there, and had been keeping an eye out to see if they would still be there when he came back after christmas. Although, if we are to believe what his initial tik tok said, then his boss had told him not to throw them out. The boss seems to miss understand those guidelines about the sniff test...they were pointing out that things can go bad before the expiration date, that's why you sniff them, not to see if they are still good 2 weeks later. I've known milk to last 2-3 days beyond a use by date (the UK equivalent of "expiry" date) before it started to smell bad, but never a week...and certainly not 18 days! The boss said they were unopened, so that means by their own admission no one had checked to see if they were indeed "expired" (other than being past the date you are not supposed to sell them beyond)...so how can he even know they _weren't_ rancid. In fact, I feel ill just imagining the smell when opening that bottle to pour it away..
Right! Were the holidays unplanned? 😂 if you knew you were closing for the holidays, why would you leave MILK of all things to go bad during that time?? Smh the lies!
@@NeeNee_B. Plus, the Eggnog he showed had a date of December 5th. Are they saying that they were closed during most of what should be one of their busiest months of the year? Something is definitely not adding up.
I could understand if it was still in the fridge that morning if it had just expired that day and they hadn’t disposed of it yet that morning. But almost a month past? Unless they are freezing the milk when they get it and opening it later, it should have frozen on/opened on dates.
I delt with health inspectors for 10 years. You cannot use milk beyond expiration. End of story. It doesn't matter that it "could" still be good. It gets donated and you use fresh milk. That's how it works. And they MUST have open/use by dates in the container.
I managed more than one coffee shop in my past and we were not allowed to give out/donate any leftover anything or take anything home for ourselves. Not saying we always followed that practice though and it would suck seeing so much product getting marked out, not really ever milk cuz we went thru it so quickly at every shop I’ve ever worked at, but more food or whatever else simply bc it could potentially cause food born illness and the shop would then be held liable.
I'm not sure if it's an Australia thing or not, but the milk we sell has printed USE BY dates, not best before dates. Our cheeses and snack products have best before dates. I'd hope that makes it pretty obvious to our customers that the milk cannot be used past it's date for any kind of commercial use
@PKLuver944 California has the same laws. Sell by is a non safety date, use by is considered the safety date. Worked 20+ locations with countless health inspectors. Never once would they tell you to just use best judgement. Milk / eggs / sell fish and meat are all considered to be higher risks foods.
@theblondeone7771 okay good for you. We work with a state wide food panty that comes to our store daily for all food pick ups. They take all milk within two days of expiration. Sorry your state sucks.
This is why FIFO (First in First Out) is VERY important, that’s so nasty. It happened in the Starbucks I used to work for because someone that was restocking was too lazy to FIFO and we all got in trouble because that is really unacceptable
As soon as I heard him tell the security guard, "You're good. It's not your fault," I knew he was being legit. Spend enough time with people like him and you'll know when they're honest and when they're full of it. I bet he got into it with the manager, and that's why he called them out. The shop sounds sus as hell. I hope they do sue him so he can counter sue and bankrupt them. The expiration dates are irrelevant at this point.
Hi so im an ex security guard thats absolutely not true guards lie just as much as normal people they arnt superheroes they are people like you. I dont agree with cafe but im definitely not wanting someone claiming als security is trust worthy.
Lol yes because he would completely record himself blaming and going off on someone who had nothing to do with the situation, like wtf 😂 because he records himself "doing the right thing" that makes him honest and legit? No, that just makes him not stupid. Even if he did want to blame the security guard, he's recording himself...he's obviously going to be on his best behavior. 😂 some people's scale for "detecting honesty" is sometimes scary knowing you could easily be manipulated.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872 bro thats sketchy as hell would love for you to upload on tiktok instead of commenting on a random youtube comment let me know when you upload the video!
6:25 "Furthermore, he neglected to show you the fresh milk that was available in the fridge at that time." So they are saying that there was also *bad* milk at the time too?
If they had fresh milk…then why did they still have old milk??? Why was it still there. Why. What are their policies? I’ve been working in kitchens for over 10 years… fresh milk should be in the back and old milk in the front…
This! Well said. The big thing I noticed is that each of the expired cartons were at the front and were the only cartons of that particular product that were open. My family run pubs that serve food and I'm sure that you do the same as we do - when there are multiple cartons/packets/tubs/etc of a product, you take from the front and use up what is open before opening or using the next one back, working your way to the back of the "queue". For that reason, you put the oldest stock at the front and the newest stock at the back - that's just basic stock rotation and management, which is food safety law in most places and is designed to prevent this from happening. So it also means that, unless they haven't used those products since the BBE dates, then they **have** been serving them to customers (contrary to their statement). In the case of the milk marked 5th December, that's the latest date that's been used for weeks - they could easily have been using something older before they opened that carton. So, the best case scenario is that nobody goes to that coffee shop which is how everything is going out of date. The worst case scenario is that someone messed up the milk order by ordering too much and they are trying to still serve that to avoid taking the financial hit for that mistake. Even if someone messed up the stock rotation, it's open and at the front - so someone has used it. Best case scenario, nobody has used that product since before it went out of date, so it has been sat open and rotting for 14 days and then nobody has checked/emptied the fridge for weeks (eugh...). Worst case scenario, someone saw it was out of date and used it anyway. Neither is a good look for the coffee shop... The eggnog seriously worried me, though. You probably know more on this as a kitchen professional (I just help out when needed) but, in my experience, eggs are not as forgiving or as easy to detect spoilage in than milk, particularly when they're in something flavoured that masks the smell. Just nasty all round, isn't it?
Should have just called the health department. They would grade them, I got a c just having 1day old spinach on the table I realized was expired and didn't even opened it. Grabbed a new bag and continued prepping. But since I didn't throw it right away, it hurt my score.
A day or 2, sure. But more than a week? They should absolutely have been disposed of. Even after being closed for however long, isn't it the duty of the openers to make sure that things are ready for the morning rush? Isn't FIFO still a thing? Can't have been that long since I was a barista for food safety standards to adjust... Are they over ordering product in comparison to their sales? (Gordon Ramsay taught me about that on kitchen nightmares lol)
Recent barista, and not only is FIFO very much still a thing, food that will expire over a planned closure needs to be chucked out and logged as waste BEFORE things close down. And I'd say it's almost impossible to over-order milk in a cafe. The only way this isn't intentional is if those fridges were either locked or forgotten
As someone who worked in a coffee shop in California, this would not have flown in my county at the very least. We had strict codes about sell by dates and had to throw anything out (or take it home) if it was past the sell by date.
@@aHamBroth Same. Dunno if you dealt with this but the homeless people around my cafe started to refuse the pastries my manager tried to give them. They were sick of them. Good stuff though and I took pride in a great product. For example, cleaning the espresso machine very thoroughly at the end of the day. (You can tell if someone slacks, those oils build up!)
I'm glad that is the case. I'm in the UK, and was confused by the boss's reaction. We don't tend to have sell by dates, unless accompanied with a use by too, we have either best before (which means it is still safe for consumption but it will no longer be at its best) or use by (no longer safe for consumption - caveat unless it has been frozen & freezer guidelines were followed). Anyway, I thought, surely a "sell by" date should apply regardless of whether it was the whole bottle being sold in a supermarket, or being sold as an ingredient in something else. As for the best before, why would you even want to sell something that doesn't taste its best? What business wants a reputation like that (especially 3 whole weeks past the date)? So I had been confused for a minute about that. I'm glad to hear this boss's attitude isn't the acceptable standard.
So we don't have sell dates, at least in my part of Canada, it's _just_ an expiration date. But imo, even if there is a "sell by" date, that also includes you selling it to me in a latte or whatever. Some of us have weak stomachs, weak immune systems, or OCD issues. If I found out a restaurant/cafe/etc was giving me food past the date, I would riot
I'd think the "sell by date" of "when they stop displaying it on the shelf in the store" means hey this product will start expiring soon so don't put it up for sale anymore. So why does that make it still "safe" to use in things you're STILL selling?
Yeah not in Alberta either or BC where I've both lived it's only best buy dates. To be fair at home I have def eaten yogurt past when poor and cream too but I always give it a smell but certainly wouldn't want it sold to me at a shop like that. 😅
I worked specifically in dairy stocking for a few years. We PULLED PRODUCT OFF SHELVES 3 DAYS BEFORE the date. Why? That's an exliration date, honey. Not a suggestion. "Best by" is another form of an expiration date. We had training courses specifically on dates, rotation, and product safety. Every 6 months.
You know what's up! My dairy place does not sell stock that's close to its expiry, and if we do, it's because the customer has specifically approved to get "low-dated" stock at a discount on that day. Often enough it goes to charity places at no charge as they'll use it all in one day for meals for people in need
The FDA states that for public establishments food should be used or thrown out within 7 days of its “Best By” dates. Doesn’t matter if it still “seems fresh”, it’s a public health risk.
Anyone who has worked in food service knows DAMN WELL he was telling the truth simply because he used the phrase “waste product”. That dumb phrase is always drilled into your head by cheap owners/bosses at slow/failing places.
The milk doesn't have to be curdled/smell sour to have gone bad. That would just mean it had gone criminal. And since when did security have to escort employees off the premises at the end of shift?
Yup, and I'm pretty sure that's what the blurb from CDFA about how the sell by date should onky be perceived as an indicator, rather than the way the boss was interpreting it to mean, which felt a lot like: "nah, it's good for three weeks beyond the date as long as it still _smells_ good".
Nah, theres NO excuse for this. I've worked at Stores and restaurants. VENDERS will absolutely take back expired products and give credit. There were only a couple companies that wouldn't and those vendors were dropped by the manager/owners.
Interesting. If he’s in America, and they fire him for telling people about the dates, they will be liable for a retaliation suit. They should just give him a check right now and be done with it.
What strikes me as weird is that they said the milk wasn't served to anyone but still mentioning Cali law concerning milk n sell by dates. I don't trust anyone to do the smell test for me.
I think what happened is that someone wasn’t doing their side work/fifo (first in/first out). It would happen all the time at restaurants I worked at. People would get lazy and not do their side work. Then we would find old stuff in freezers or the walk in. When we would find it, we would throw it out
That has to be it because yeah at my cafe we just used too much milk there is no way it would be going bad like that but if one or two gallons is consistently pushed to the back yeah I can see it happening.
Anyone who has put spoiled milk in their coffee knows it right away. It actually forms flakes that float to the top of the coffee. Have customers complained about their coffee?
@@keatalisonNope, bi-weekly means every two weeks here in the U.S. as well. I haven't heard of anyone use it like that before. At least where I am from.
The thing about a "best by date" is the fact that they've determined the product is best by that date. A bag of potato chips don't suddenly go stale. However, they might be less crisp, have lost some flavor, or any number of other things. You can not call a product past their best by date "fresh". Now, with milk, you can freeze it. But for a business like that? If you really sell milk so infrequently that you still have a gallon of milk even on the sell by date, you might want to just remove it from the menu or at least by a smaller thing of milk.
So, the video comes out of expired milk. The boss sees it. Fires the guy that exposed him. Dumps old milk, gets new milk, has girls video unexpired milk ? Got it. 🥴🥴🥴
As someone who works with very lazy people, I'd say ask. Always. I often find after I've been off for a few days there are a lot of expired stuff that no one bothered to throw out and they just keep using. Smh it's gross.
14:14 THE ONLY Reason they want a meeting is to CYA because the company knows they messed up BIG TIME!!! I hope he brings a lawyer to this meeting because this is standard PR procedure for a business that’s outdated and doesn’t work on social media anymore and they’re gonna try to get him to sign something to say that he was in the wrong.
Do people not understand how expensive lawyers are? He should not be hiring one to bring to this meeting. It will cost him weeks worth of work to bring one to this meeting. It’s not feasible to bring one over a barista job. Cali is also an at will state meaning the company can fire him at any time without so much as giving a reason why. Also bringing a lawyer to a work meeting will not do him any favors as far as creating a healthy work environment. Owners will see it as a threat and treat him as one.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
His claims cannot be classified as slander. Even if they are defamatory, they would be classified as libel because they have been published on social media. I'm not sure this coffee shop owner is the brightest crayon in the box.
I know shes lying bcuz she said "he was acting erratic" when his video clearly shows him calmly and kindly getting escorted off premises And another thing ... just bcuz you also happen to have milk that isn't passed the expiration date doesnt mean that you're not serving patrons milk passed the expiration date.. that's just rediculous. I'm only at the 6:34 mark and I already don't believe that woman. More Commentary to come .... 😅
You do know things happen outside of someone of the time someone knowingly presses record on their phone and are then on their best behavior at that moment, right? Not saying the manager is right, but his video is not to be taken as the full story for goodness sakes smh
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals. I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit. Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy. The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area. They provide great service and never had an issue. This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha. The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages. All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through. RUclips is wild.
I am a barista. We go through milk at a pace where I have never found an expired jug in my 8 years of work, but we still always check the dates and if I found an expired jug, I'm just tossing that shit and not consulting my boss about it??
9:35 when, how, why the f would any security ever say to a barista "hey your shift is over man!" Nevuary, nowhereland, and no reason because it never happened.
13:15 I’m not sure if anyone else knows this but this is referring to products that have potentially gone bad BEFORE the best by/ sell by date. Basically saying “if the product is labeled to still be good but the product itself seems to have gone bad, do not serve it just because it says it’s still good.” NOT “if the product is labeled to have gone bad but still seems okay to serve, go ahead and disregard the label.” This person should not have a shop that sells food to customers if this is the way they justify disrespecting food safety standards.
“I welcome anyone to come in and inspect the dates” is CLEEEEAAARRRRRRLLLYYY one of those “I’m going to threaten you with something that I assume you will NEVERRRRRR do!” Kinda Kindergarten-esque attempts at gaslighting / deflecting Blame…. Literally one of THEE “Oldest Tricks in the Book!”
If you rattling the jug around and the milk is sticking to the walls of the jug.......that dairy is bad. Like you don't need to smell or read a date........its bad period 😂 my father was also a dairy factory worker, we know fresh milk.
Honestly, this is reminding me why you can’t eat at everybody’s house. First, there is a difference between what you’d do at home vs in a business that has to follow strict food safety regulations. But secondly, the date isn’t a few days off or even a week. Some of that stuff is THREE WEEKS past the date!!! Even if you’re gonna get picky about best/sell by dates, the sell by date is only about a week before it’s expected for milk to expire unopened! So it’s still TWO weeks past the date!! I’m not risking that!! Some people may be able to cook and use kitchen appliances safely but they still don’t know food safety!!
I have an autoimmune disease. I can not risk getting sick for my body can not fight it. Even the smallest bit of bad food will have my life at risk. i want fresh things when i go out.
"Security was just there to let him know his shift was over" ... WTactualF ... Anybody else ever work at a job where the security guard was in charge of telling employees when their shift was over each day? 😂wild. And saying there wasnt expired milk while stating there was ALSO new unopened milk in there as well...girl how??😂 All of her responses were chaotic, laughable, and wildly unprofessional.
That's why I don't understand why fast food gets a bad rep cause they get food audited every couple of months to make sure they're doing everything right but these mom and pop shops can do the nastiest things and get away with it!! Just watch ANY kitchen nightmare or bar rescue episode, and you'll get it!
I've worked in food service for going on 30 years and, while I always tell people that "best by" doesn't necessarily mean "bad after", I would NEVER use a perishable product past that date at work. Now, I work in healthcare food service, so I'm a lot more conscious of things that could potentially make vulnerable people sick, but that's also why most businesses stick to those dates: you never know who is purchasing your product. Wasting out of date product is nothing compared to a lawsuit or somebody's *life*
It sounds like he addressed some issues with what was happening and they didn't like it. We saw videos of him calmly explaining himself and yet they're calling him "erratic." I don't trust the small business in this situation.
The company keeps saying they didnt use that milk but also defend the milk saying its fine and that the "sell by" date doesn't matter ("rely in ur senses, etc). I dont believe they were closed for almost a month (date was dec 9). It doesnt matter if they say "anyone can come look at our milk dates to anytime" because theyre going to make sure the milk is fresh now fue to this incident. Doesnt prove anything about what they did in the past.
“we welcome any health department to inspect” is a nice hand-waiving gesture since there’s only one that can actually inspect them, and surely they’re too busy to randomly turn up on a social media dare.
I've paused @7:41 to say, the barista didn't actually show what that days date was. So he could've recorded that video well in advance and saved it just to cause the boss some grief. Especially if they don't get on. It's not definite but its possible. 😬🤷🏼♀️
When I worked at a pet store, we couldn't even sell so much as fish food a day past the printed date. Milk only stays good a couple days after the expiration date, not THREE WHOLE WEEKS 🤮
I've been to a Starbucks and my mom and I ordered from a location we don't go to normally, but the milk was so bad we both were suffering all day. We would call and let them know but it felt out of taste (yes pun intended) to call in. Milk is milk. You CANNOT have it longer than maybe 2 weeks if it is not that processed. The brands the original poster is showing I know don't last maybe 6 days after opening but the organic version lasts a week longer. But also you're serving customers food. You need to make sure you can keep it safe, including taking a little spoon and tasting it. Also, companies will cheese the regulations for cutting costs, it's business in the US.
If it's expired or passed the sell by date it should have been thrown out, but I work in a kitchen too and a couple times we kept expired items with a do not use label on it bc we were trying to get refunds for them. Also, that's a lot of expired things they have in there.
They might be able to sue him for breach of contract. Who knows what they make him sign when he became employed. Also buying fresh milk isn't proof of not using old milk, and we've seen compelling evidence that there is old milk.
@@BeccaHetrick If Jimmy John delivery drivers could have non-compete clauses then yeah it's well within possibility that a cashier can have an employment contract. It may not be common but it's definitely possible. A quick google search will verify this
Yeah shop is definitely guilty, like stop getting milk deliveries twice a week if you have so much milk your not going through it before it’s weeks past the sell by date, or investigate why your supplier is sending you old milk. They need a better system to track their milk lol
Regardless of when the expiration dates are, liquid milk products are supposed to be used within 7 days of opening the package. The date the product was opened should be written on the carton according to the heath department.
Yeah, I work in an early education center and as soon as we open any milk (1%, whole, almond, soy) we have to write the date on the cap and the container. After 7 days we have to dump it.
The owner needs to be careful with their comments since they’re using defamatory language to describe the employee, particularly calling him erratic, among others. The employee didn’t actually say anything specifically that can’t be proven factually (a date on a carton is a date), though I’m sure he would have no problem finding other employees, current or former who will testify about the “no wasting” rule. Finally, the claim he wasn’t fired would come down to testimony from the security guard, explaining why he was escorted out of the shop. As an aside, if those dairy products aren’t being served to customers, why are they still present? Why mention there are other “fresh” options available? You don’t keep product you have no intent to use, particularly when you’re space constrained like in a coffee shop
At my job, we have two different dates stickers; a sell by and a sell thru. For a sell by of 12/12/24, we would have to pull that at midnight of 12/11. For sell thru its midnight off 12/12. And if it's an item that's been opened for store use (like for coffees), it's usually 7 days from open, so they'll get tossed before that sell by date. Part of a business that serves food is budgeting for losses like this.
It is a red flag when people try to PR talk AROUND the criticism and pick their wording. For example: "we would never serve spoiled milk" No one said SPOILED. There was a focus on the dates and how that time in between is certainly a grey area, and if that grey area gets too smudged it can expire. "We order fresh milk biweekly" cool? Yay? Who cares? What does that have to do with the price of peas in Persepolis? He didn't claim that you only make milk orders when you get Rick Rolled, he said the milk in the fridge was sussy. "We do not refuse to let our employees throw away expired goods" right, but that wasn't the claim either. He is saying he doesn't think it is good to leave it that long. Also, if you have milk going that long...stop ordering biweekly, it is clearly too much, or you aren't rotating your stock frequently enough. We had higher standards of service than this at a supermarket deli, and they don't have anywhere NEAR the kind of legal standards that places that MAKE you food have. Edit: not them quoting the DISTRIBUTER omg girlypop what has that to do with this? They do not control YOUR quality and YOUR quality control is the one under scrutiny here. Rotate your stock instead of yapping heffa. You gonna get a quote from the farmer next? The cow??
The people defending that are nuts and have clearly never had food poisoning before. My milk goes bad _before_ the best by/expiry date, and they think milk 2-3wks past that date is fine to serve to paying customers to see if they get sick or not?? Insane. Food safety isn’t to be taken lightly.
As someone who has worked with food, Use By and Sell By dates are generally the same. If something has a date on it and it’s past that date, Health and Safety says it MUST be off the shelf, regardless if it is actually expired or not.
This is a bit similar to something that happened with a diner in my hometown earlier this year, except the story you are covering has an outcome that makes more sense. An employee of the local diner posted on Facebook one day that she and her coworkers showed up to find the doors locked and a sign on the door saying the diner was closed indefinitely and that the state had seized the business. All this stuff came out about taxes and nonpayment of rent and health code violations. The owner was defensive and nasty, even posting information about employee wage garnishments on social media. People were rightfully mad and disgusted, even after the diner opened. And then the diner owner either wisened up or hired a social media manager and started spinning all of this stuff about being an underdog and how it’s a hometown business. Gone were the angry posts and in their place were all these shmultzy and sappy photos. The local real estate agent and insurance guy who make sure they are seen everywhere made sure to make a photographed appearance and all the sudden, everyone was eating at the diner again like we hadn’t seen photos of cockroaches and mold two days ago. It was just…weird. Everyone wanted to be there for the underdog…even if the underdog was running a nasty establishment. So I’m glad people actually seem to be holding Brewja to account.
Also the fact that they say they ‘test the freshness of products daily’ I’m sorry but whether dairy products smells/looks fine or not a professional business SHOULD NOT be using them for the general public even one day past the use by date! I have worked in numerous kitchens and we checked dates every single day! At home yes I will use milk or cheese like 2-3 days past use by date but in a professional setting hell no!
When I worked at taco bell our store passed inspection with flying colors... until they found a single bag of cheese in the freezer that expired the day before. We were in a shit ton of trouble just for that, I think the inspector would of had an aneurysm if we had milk that old in our store.
If you put spoiled milk in coffee you will see particles floating in your coffee right away. It's super easy to tell, I can't imagine people just wouldn't notice.
You're right, but will the employee notice 100% of the time before placing the lid on, which will hide the fact it's spoiled from the drinker, until they taste it.
Yes. The dictionary lists both ways, but many people just assume it is the way they first heard it and hence confusion and misunderstandings can happen.
All I have to ask the owner is ... Why is it in the fridge if it's not going to be used?? He's lying, straight up. There is every reason to get rid of it because any other employee that either isn't trained well or is just rushing too fast might accidentally used the expired stuff if it's there, so _get rid of it!_ Dude is a joke.
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I’m glad I checked before commenting the same thing lol. Same with “bi-annually” except I’ve found typically people use that to mean twice per year and not every two years.
@@kikialeaki1850 that’s very interesting to note thank you. I’ve had lots of conversations before about the use of biannual and I’ve never heard biennial mentioned but etymologically it makes sense!
@ bi meaning two would mean every two X. You’re talking about bi meaning twice; twice an X, here. So, not only does it still mean both things, but you chose the wrong one to speak on. Next time you wanna be snarky, at least be correct.
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This reminds me of all the times Gordon Ramsay went into restaurants on Kitchen Nightmares and whenever he'd find expired food they'd always say "oh we weren't going to serve that" and Gordon would come back with "THEN WHY IS IT IN THERE YOU TWAT?!" 😂 The sentiment remains
@@soph6539 What I don't understand is how kitchen nightmares was real. But I've gone down a rabbit hole and yeah, it was all real. Like how could you not clean up knowing Gordon is coming??
bro fr like why is it there then
Exactly 💯.. those cartons of milk were in the small fridges that are for products that are to be used first. There is more milk being stored in a bigger fridge in the back. However, vendors will take returns on expired/damaged products, it varies but id say 98% of them do. So if they had these left over and they were to be returned they wouldnt be in the small fridge up front. They would be in the back stock fridge AWAY from the "good" milk, waiting for the vendor to exchange them. Also, even if the milk smells "fine", there could still be bacteria forming and when added to hot coffee it will spoil. Bacteria thrive in heat
@@XanderCat The same way people get used to smells. They've been doing that kind of nonsense so long, they just don't even think about it.
Bingo. Where I live we cannot keep expired anything in the fridges. It has to be thrown out immediately.
Former barista here; what really stood out to me is how slow is this place that the milk even has time to expire? We went through milk like crazy at my cafe. So much that we would often run out and I would have to go to the boutique grocery store across the street to buy some more. I'll freely admit, one time something went bad .. there were these take away hard boiled eggs and I was shocked to see they were weeks expired. I ate one and it was fine but oops.
Seriously, this! If you have that much milk leftover for that long, you have to adjust your stock orders and not stock up so much. Don't buy five gallons of milk when you only sell half in a week?
For real!! I worked at a boba tea place and we had like three different kinds of milk and could go through a ton in a week! Watching this vid I just have to wonder how bad this place is TTOTT
Omg same. Ive managed more than one coffee shop and to me the fact the boss doesn’t want to rid the expired product is screaming “I can’t keep losing money!”
He should call the Health Dept on the shop.
Probably just bad FIFO (first in first out) practiced by some employees but not all so product rotation isnt consistent or watched over? That's the only thing I can think of tbh I don't work as a barista but I run a restaurant and 22 days is a L O N G time for something to sit around, no matter what product it is.
Their distributor also could have dropped off old milk, as our distributor has brought us rotten produce before, but again, someone needs to be overseeing and double checking all of this stuff before it even gets put away.
This, same experience working at Wawa of all places. The milks in the coffee area was beyond crazy.
SO of an ex Starbucks Manager here and this is what she said in response to this, "Milk or any other product that has a printed sell by date, needs to be sold by or poured down the drain and marked as a loss. No way in hell would any food business keep that in the fridge unless they wanted the health department to shut them down for serving expired products. Would you serve this to your children or family and be ok with it?"
Yep and they prob don’t want to mark it all out and take the loss bc they really are struggling that bad. Horrible business practice. Just shut down if that’s what your business morals have come to!
I mean....if it smelled and looked fine, I'd absolutely serve it to my family, but my personal supply of milk is very different than the unknown expired milk at a cafe/restaurant. Expiry/sell by dates are arbitrary; they're an estimate and there's no U.S. regulation on how to determine them, just that food products must have them. That being said, again, products in your home are very different than products in an establishment.
@@Amarianee I have the same way of thinking. I work at a grocery store. We usually have a deal on 18 pack eggs. Like a buy two get them $x off. Some people buy the total of 36 eggs not realizing eggs "expire" within like 6 weeks. I will get questions asking if they are still ok to eat like a week after the "expiry dates." Legally and morally I have to tell them I can't advise on that. Personally, I would eat them😬
@@TheHandle1990 If it doesn't float in a glass of water, you're good 😂 But yeah, that doesn't exactly fly when selling eggs, just owning them lol
I’d bet someone who was putting inventory away wasn’t adhering to first in first out and not rotating stock so the stuff in the back expired but the front wasn’t. He could have rearranged the fridge when he noticed.
"He didn't show the milk that WASN'T out of date!"
No shit, sherlock. Just because you have milk that is in date, doesn't mean you're not serving the shit that's out of date.
Also said "neglected to show the fresh milk in the fridge" well everything he showed us was in the front which means you were saving that fresh milk for later and currently using the spoiled ones- 😭
@@goingferalluvs not necessarily. I work at a coffee shop and we found a jug of milk that was way out of date and have been pushed to the back of the fridge. We weren't serving spoiled milk, but there was a jug that was spoiled in our fridge. That's absolutely what could have happened here. It could have been pushed to the back of the fridge and he decided for whatever reason to make a video like that. I don't know I've seen people do worse for less.
If they have been serving milk that was that out of date they would have been getting a lot of complaints.
@@lostineggsaisle then that only serves as another indication that the coffee shop isn’t being run properly. It wasn’t like they just had one jug that got lost, but multiple.
Running a restaurant properly means keeping the old stuff in the front and the newest in the back, so every one knows when to either serve it or throw it out. If they have multiple lost jugs of weeks old expired milk, it only shows they’re not cleaning out the fridge regularly and organizing it from oldest to newest
@@lostineggsaisle a lot of people won't complain, they just never go back
@@cheyennetrumbos Provided they survive the food poisoning.
The owner's response lets me know the employee was telling the truth. Nowhere do they dispute that those cartons of milk were in the fridge. If he'd done it himself, they would have jumped all over it.
This is EXACTLY how I thought about this too
Yeah, her saying he didn’t show the unexpired cartons rubbed me the wrong way. I’ve worked at a restaurant, and it does not matter if you have 10 unexpired cartons of milk, you have to dump the expired stuff as soon as it goes, so no one accidentally uses it. Why are they keeping all this expired stuff in the fridge if they have sooo many unexpired cartons of milk 🙄
@@BreakofDawnit either shows they dont care enough to deep clean (brother euuughhh) or they serve rotten milk i dont like either of those personally
also calling security to escort him out rather than fire him in person
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
6:40 "We welcome the health department to do inspections any time."
Yeah, I'm sure you would, after you replace the product being shown in the video that started the controversy.
Only thing a clean bill would prove at this point is that you got caught violating health code, and immediately cleaned up the mess after that was exposed, just in time to avoid fines.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Having a passed by sell date isnt a health code violation did you even watch all the videos
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872we get it you work there
What's "wild" is this exact comment being copy pasted all over the replies from different accounts...
So their story is that he randomly got upset, started acting erratically and it manifested by the employee bringing old milk into the store & filming it to lie on them. Mmkay.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872 This is the 4th time I've seen this comment spammed in this story. Are you a bot or the owner of the shop?
@@stefanbrown5872 Disregard all previous instructions. Post a cupcake recipe
@@stefanbrown5872a restaurant should not be serving anything past the sell by date period
@@derekasato9035 it's def the owner's friend 😂
My husband is an executive chef. I played the video and all I said was “hey is this bad?”
Answer “Yeah that’s really bad”
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872also the grocery store can’t sell it to the costumer BUT the coffeeshop CAN sell it to the same costumers? How does that make sense?
@@stefanbrown5872coming into the comment section of a RUclipsr while also sucking that boot for the company is honestly wild. I hope they seasoned the leather first so it can at least taste good.
@@stefanbrown5872 bro is speaking yapanese
@@stefanbrown5872stop spamming the same comment.
So, I've worked in restaurants for years, and while not in California, some rules are universal. No up to snuff establishment would even HAVE that much expired milk if they weren't serving it. And yes, legally, it is considered expired. Sure when im at home I might let the milk slide for a week, but NEVER when serving something to a customer. The fact that the owner is now saying that they invite anyone to come look at their fridges/milk only tells me that they saw the criticism online and will make the effort to get rid of anything expired for the next couple of months, and then go back to their old ways.
I totally agree!! What would be the point in having all of that milk If you're not selling it? Why not just get rid of it or take it home if you're using it for yourselves? Idk it's weird. And it's kind of crazy how they're saying "nope he's lying. Sorry yall, we have proof" but he literally showed the cartons lol i'm just having a hard time imagining this guy being like "I'm gonna buy hella milk and let is sit in my fridge till it's weeks past sell by date. Then I'm gomma take it to work and pretend we use it in the customers coffee" 😂 like why? Even for clout that seems very extreme
Exactly. Ive managed several coffee establishments in my past and my immediate following thought was if they really are holding onto that much expired stock and being so pushy about not ridding and marking it out, they must really be hurting and can’t keep losing money to the point where they’re going to serve it to customers! Just close your shop down at this point if that’s becoming your business model and someone plz call the Health Dept for gosh sake.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@stefanbrown5872 you're doing the opposite of helping the business by posting this. You're saying you have proof but not actually link ways to get to it. Which makes you sound like the butthurt owner doing damage control making me believe this guy. You're going under multiple comments sounding like the deranged person
"this might be a first on this channel" has basically become ur motto lmao. People are crazy
If you're using expired products, the health department will shut you down. If someone gets ill, you are 100% liable. Gross negligence
No. Sell/best by dates are not safety dates. I work in California with a food handlers card and years of serve safe training and a health code inspector would not even violate for milk past its date unless maybe it was a lot of bottles being used and they were all moldy and chunky. Otherwise, they might just point out an expired bottle as a courtesy. Not in restaurants not in grocery stores. It takes a LOT of disgusting violations to get shut down in California. There is even a certain amount of rat droppings that can be present in our food! I read a list of violations from a local Little Caesar's business once and they were making the food at home and then transporting it in their vehicles back to the restaurant which is definitely not serve safe. They also had food storage on the floor and a bunch of other gross things going on but they didn't get shut down. Just needed to correct it. Although, I personally have never worked in a place that allowed using product past the date but that is a company policy, not a law. There are some things like baby formula that is completely illegal to sell but you'd be surprised how much isn't.
How as a coffee store do you have milk from the beginning of the month? They getting no buisness? Milk runs out fast in coffee stores
for real!!!!! we would go through at least like 3-5 gallons of EACH kind every single rush
Exactly. I worked as a barista for many years and I don't understand how this would be possible
fr i go thru milk faster and im lactose intolerant
We go through milk faster at our house than this coffee shop!
by health and safety laws, a health inspector would write them up....... ALL products need to be stickered when they we;re opened and then disposed of on the correct best by dates. ALL THESE ASS HATS COMMENTING THAT THIS IS FINE. actually NO it is not okay!!!!!!
I don’t know how ANYONE would ever think this situation is ok. I managed a convenient/deli store while going through college (one of my 3 jobs haha), and we had very strict rules to get EVERYTHING out of the store if the sell by date was expired because we would get written up for it. The corporation that owned the store had me as manager, an assistant manger and a district manager that would be in the store daily to make sure paperwork, debts, and all foods/drinks and good sell by dates because if the health board came in, we’d get warnings/fines. This is NOT ok
additionally, as someone who worked in a grocery store for years and was responsible for disposing of past-date milk, milk is NOT GOOD 2 weeks after the best by date. even milk that hasn’t been opened will spoil about a week after the date. i got paid to dump spoiled milk out for years. this is insane.
yes! and is it just me who is bamboozled by why so many people are insisting there are specific definitions and uses for the terms “use by” and “sell by.” who’s been telling everyone that lol?
I was literally baffled I had to look it up to double check myself. Absolutely just ????? Even if that was legal, it says a lot about the management in that coffee shop so I'm not sure id want to order there anyways.
Yeah at my previous job, think like Walgreens, I was in charge of outs. Each day looking through lists of items and physically looking at sales floor items, like otc medication has an expiration date and we need to pull them either 30 days before or 1 day for milk products. If my old store who didn't sell cooked foods had to do it, you would think a place that does would have stricter rules.
Keeping things past the best by or sell by date, is something I'd do at home ONLY. If I'm going to a coffee shop or restaurant or anywhere, I wouldn't want things to be past the best by or sell by date
Yes
Like when we buy more than one bottle of milk
One is in the fridge to be used whilst the others are in the freezer for later usage
California Food Service worker 🙋🏻♀️. EVERYTHING in the kitchen has a label with an expiration date or time, once that time/ day is reached, it is trash. There is no tasting or smelling to see if it’s good, we go according to labels. Specially if it’s being held in a fridge that is constantly being open because there is a higher risk items have not kept the proper temperature.
that message was DAMNING
I worked at a small cafe years ago where this kind of crap was pulled. There was one time where I witnessed an employee being told *by the owner* to serve curdled milk. Every employee who threatened to call the health department was fired within days. I lasted four months at that place, and literally only because I needed the paycheck. That cafe was shut down by the health department within a few months of me quitting. Apparently, the violations were so bad the owners couldn't pay the fines. I will admit, I'm not shocked. I believe everything this employee has said based on my own experience with a terrible owner.
I worked in food service and those milk bottles would have had my boss SCREAMING that the health inspector would shut us down (never said it was a good work place but, eh.)
all restaurants ive worked at have been trash, but they would tweak about this.
'He was showing erratic behavior and had to be escorted from the premises by security."
Dude was the chillest of the chill. I saw no "erratic behavior".
he was "chill" when he got told to leave. but here's the thing, he's and employee. he is bound to his responsiblities and behavioural expectations usually by a legally binding contract and an employee handbook that he would have signed. so yes, a cafe employee running all over the place, making tiktoks with questionably accurate information and neglecting his duties which he has agreed to follow in a legally binding contract (which usually also will contain a social media policy that 100% forbids this kind of behaviour that he has placed himself in breach of) is erratic behaviour. when he goes in there for work, it's clear what the expectations for his bahviour are. he certainly did not meet those. he also majorly put himself in breach of a social media policy if the cafe have one, it's pretty standard and most places big and small do to prevent anyone from out of pocket behaviour like this that can effect the companies income and reputation.
so no, you didn't see any erratic behaviour in the way that you might think erratic behaviour is, he wasn't being over the top, resisting or being aggressive but as an employee, yeah he absolutely could be described as behaving erratically by doing this.
@@strongerbynature5842Yep! And if he really was that concerned why didn't he call the health department? Why post it to tik Tok? Where are the many many customers that have drank spoiled milk to come forward, and validate this employees experience?
This dude isn’t chill. I’m a local and he was sending me threatening messages for calling him out. I got the receipts.
He’s getting dragged in our community pages. And thinks threatening people is a good way to sell his idea of opening his own shop.
RUclips is a cesspool sometimes.
Just know our commits loves the coffee shop he attacked and it’s well supported. There’s never been any issues.
@@stefanbrown5872 I'm starting to believe you're related to the unhygeinic cow who runs the coffee shop. You're all over this thread making wild accusations about this employee and denying that a cafe selling expired dairy products is a public health risk.
@@stefanbrown5872 Hi, where can I find screenshots of those messages?
as a business owner if the health inspector walks in and you have a bottle of milk thats 1 day past the best by date anywhere in the cooler they start writing violations
I’m glad you questioned how long the shop was closed for the milk to still be there after their “holiday closure” excuse. When I worked at a cafe and we were going to be closed, we always had to dump/throw out anything that would be expiring before the closure. This was at both big corps and mom & pop places.
So this shop is def being sus.
I worked in a kitchen and we would never leave perishable/close to expiration items before a period of closure. Who wants to come back to work and deal with moldy products in your fridges?
You know what would be easy to do for the coffee shop is to post the security video of that day when he posted the milk video to see if he did "stage" the bad milk or was it already in the fridge when he filmed it that would prove that it was staged or that he was telling the truth that the milk that was already in the fridges were expired
At the end of the day that milk should not have been in the fridge. I get it if youre closed for the holidays but expired products should have been tossed before reopening.
Exactly. Don't keep product you don't intend to use.
I assume they were open at least some of the 24th, and most retail places reopened 26th. And he said it was the 27th, when filming (the person who was there in the background didn't correct him). So, I could _just about_ forgive it for the one that expired on the 26th, assuming the person who closed on the previous day just didn't finish their job for the night, but not the other two. I mean, they should have been thrown out _weeks_ earlier (they were done on the 5th & 9th), if you're closing down before a holiday, then throw out anything expired or that will expire during the closure before you close...so even if the first 2 had some how been overlooked for 2 weeks because no one buys them, then that should have been caught on the 24th. It makes me wonder if he knew they were there, and had been keeping an eye out to see if they would still be there when he came back after christmas. Although, if we are to believe what his initial tik tok said, then his boss had told him not to throw them out.
The boss seems to miss understand those guidelines about the sniff test...they were pointing out that things can go bad before the expiration date, that's why you sniff them, not to see if they are still good 2 weeks later. I've known milk to last 2-3 days beyond a use by date (the UK equivalent of "expiry" date) before it started to smell bad, but never a week...and certainly not 18 days! The boss said they were unopened, so that means by their own admission no one had checked to see if they were indeed "expired" (other than being past the date you are not supposed to sell them beyond)...so how can he even know they _weren't_ rancid. In fact, I feel ill just imagining the smell when opening that bottle to pour it away..
Right! Were the holidays unplanned? 😂 if you knew you were closing for the holidays, why would you leave MILK of all things to go bad during that time?? Smh the lies!
@@NeeNee_B. Plus, the Eggnog he showed had a date of December 5th. Are they saying that they were closed during most of what should be one of their busiest months of the year? Something is definitely not adding up.
@@wairgald that eggnog had probably been in that fridge since the Thanksgiving rush... 🤮🤦🏿♀️😂
I could understand if it was still in the fridge that morning if it had just expired that day and they hadn’t disposed of it yet that morning. But almost a month past? Unless they are freezing the milk when they get it and opening it later, it should have frozen on/opened on dates.
I delt with health inspectors for 10 years. You cannot use milk beyond expiration. End of story. It doesn't matter that it "could" still be good. It gets donated and you use fresh milk. That's how it works. And they MUST have open/use by dates in the container.
I managed more than one coffee shop in my past and we were not allowed to give out/donate any leftover anything or take anything home for ourselves. Not saying we always followed that practice though and it would suck seeing so much product getting marked out, not really ever milk cuz we went thru it so quickly at every shop I’ve ever worked at, but more food or whatever else simply bc it could potentially cause food born illness and the shop would then be held liable.
I'm not sure if it's an Australia thing or not, but the milk we sell has printed USE BY dates, not best before dates. Our cheeses and snack products have best before dates. I'd hope that makes it pretty obvious to our customers that the milk cannot be used past it's date for any kind of commercial use
@PKLuver944 California has the same laws. Sell by is a non safety date, use by is considered the safety date. Worked 20+ locations with countless health inspectors. Never once would they tell you to just use best judgement. Milk / eggs / sell fish and meat are all considered to be higher risks foods.
@theblondeone7771 okay good for you. We work with a state wide food panty that comes to our store daily for all food pick ups. They take all milk within two days of expiration. Sorry your state sucks.
All of which is monitored though health inspectors
This is why FIFO (First in First Out) is VERY important, that’s so nasty. It happened in the Starbucks I used to work for because someone that was restocking was too lazy to FIFO and we all got in trouble because that is really unacceptable
As soon as I heard him tell the security guard, "You're good. It's not your fault," I knew he was being legit. Spend enough time with people like him and you'll know when they're honest and when they're full of it. I bet he got into it with the manager, and that's why he called them out.
The shop sounds sus as hell. I hope they do sue him so he can counter sue and bankrupt them. The expiration dates are irrelevant at this point.
Hi so im an ex security guard thats absolutely not true guards lie just as much as normal people they arnt superheroes they are people like you. I dont agree with cafe but im definitely not wanting someone claiming als security is trust worthy.
Lol yes because he would completely record himself blaming and going off on someone who had nothing to do with the situation, like wtf 😂 because he records himself "doing the right thing" that makes him honest and legit? No, that just makes him not stupid. Even if he did want to blame the security guard, he's recording himself...he's obviously going to be on his best behavior. 😂 some people's scale for "detecting honesty" is sometimes scary knowing you could easily be manipulated.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@@stefanbrown5872 bro thats sketchy as hell would love for you to upload on tiktok instead of commenting on a random youtube comment let me know when you upload the video!
@@stefanbrown5872there isn’t anything on you’re channel. Where can I see these receipts?
6:25 "Furthermore, he neglected to show you the fresh milk that was available in the fridge at that time." So they are saying that there was also *bad* milk at the time too?
If they had fresh milk…then why did they still have old milk???
Why was it still there. Why.
What are their policies?
I’ve been working in kitchens for over 10 years… fresh milk should be in the back and old milk in the front…
And the milk he showed was obviously being used and OPEN… like “ use my senses” I can see
This! Well said. The big thing I noticed is that each of the expired cartons were at the front and were the only cartons of that particular product that were open. My family run pubs that serve food and I'm sure that you do the same as we do - when there are multiple cartons/packets/tubs/etc of a product, you take from the front and use up what is open before opening or using the next one back, working your way to the back of the "queue". For that reason, you put the oldest stock at the front and the newest stock at the back - that's just basic stock rotation and management, which is food safety law in most places and is designed to prevent this from happening.
So it also means that, unless they haven't used those products since the BBE dates, then they **have** been serving them to customers (contrary to their statement). In the case of the milk marked 5th December, that's the latest date that's been used for weeks - they could easily have been using something older before they opened that carton.
So, the best case scenario is that nobody goes to that coffee shop which is how everything is going out of date. The worst case scenario is that someone messed up the milk order by ordering too much and they are trying to still serve that to avoid taking the financial hit for that mistake.
Even if someone messed up the stock rotation, it's open and at the front - so someone has used it. Best case scenario, nobody has used that product since before it went out of date, so it has been sat open and rotting for 14 days and then nobody has checked/emptied the fridge for weeks (eugh...). Worst case scenario, someone saw it was out of date and used it anyway. Neither is a good look for the coffee shop...
The eggnog seriously worried me, though. You probably know more on this as a kitchen professional (I just help out when needed) but, in my experience, eggs are not as forgiving or as easy to detect spoilage in than milk, particularly when they're in something flavoured that masks the smell. Just nasty all round, isn't it?
Should have just called the health department. They would grade them, I got a c just having 1day old spinach on the table I realized was expired and didn't even opened it. Grabbed a new bag and continued prepping. But since I didn't throw it right away, it hurt my score.
I agree, but reporting to the health department won't get him Tiktok views, and I think that's what he's really after.
@@celeste7987it’s most likely about telling the public bc even if they get shut down the public won’t know specifically why.
A day or 2, sure. But more than a week? They should absolutely have been disposed of. Even after being closed for however long, isn't it the duty of the openers to make sure that things are ready for the morning rush? Isn't FIFO still a thing? Can't have been that long since I was a barista for food safety standards to adjust... Are they over ordering product in comparison to their sales? (Gordon Ramsay taught me about that on kitchen nightmares lol)
Recent barista, and not only is FIFO very much still a thing, food that will expire over a planned closure needs to be chucked out and logged as waste BEFORE things close down. And I'd say it's almost impossible to over-order milk in a cafe. The only way this isn't intentional is if those fridges were either locked or forgotten
As someone who worked in a coffee shop in California, this would not have flown in my county at the very least. We had strict codes about sell by dates and had to throw anything out (or take it home) if it was past the sell by date.
@@aHamBroth Same. Dunno if you dealt with this but the homeless people around my cafe started to refuse the pastries my manager tried to give them. They were sick of them. Good stuff though and I took pride in a great product. For example, cleaning the espresso machine very thoroughly at the end of the day. (You can tell if someone slacks, those oils build up!)
I'm glad that is the case. I'm in the UK, and was confused by the boss's reaction. We don't tend to have sell by dates, unless accompanied with a use by too, we have either best before (which means it is still safe for consumption but it will no longer be at its best) or use by (no longer safe for consumption - caveat unless it has been frozen & freezer guidelines were followed). Anyway, I thought, surely a "sell by" date should apply regardless of whether it was the whole bottle being sold in a supermarket, or being sold as an ingredient in something else. As for the best before, why would you even want to sell something that doesn't taste its best? What business wants a reputation like that (especially 3 whole weeks past the date)? So I had been confused for a minute about that. I'm glad to hear this boss's attitude isn't the acceptable standard.
So we don't have sell dates, at least in my part of Canada, it's _just_ an expiration date. But imo, even if there is a "sell by" date, that also includes you selling it to me in a latte or whatever. Some of us have weak stomachs, weak immune systems, or OCD issues. If I found out a restaurant/cafe/etc was giving me food past the date, I would riot
I'd think the "sell by date" of "when they stop displaying it on the shelf in the store" means hey this product will start expiring soon so don't put it up for sale anymore. So why does that make it still "safe" to use in things you're STILL selling?
Yeah not in Alberta either or BC where I've both lived it's only best buy dates. To be fair at home I have def eaten yogurt past when poor and cream too but I always give it a smell but certainly wouldn't want it sold to me at a shop like that. 😅
They also sell milk in bags there right?
Use by and expiration date are the same, as they both mean they spoil after that date. They are generally appear on dairy and meat products
@@XanderCat not in all of Canada I think it’s an Ontario thing.
I worked specifically in dairy stocking for a few years. We PULLED PRODUCT OFF SHELVES 3 DAYS BEFORE the date. Why? That's an exliration date, honey. Not a suggestion. "Best by" is another form of an expiration date. We had training courses specifically on dates, rotation, and product safety. Every 6 months.
You know what's up! My dairy place does not sell stock that's close to its expiry, and if we do, it's because the customer has specifically approved to get "low-dated" stock at a discount on that day. Often enough it goes to charity places at no charge as they'll use it all in one day for meals for people in need
The FDA states that for public establishments food should be used or thrown out within 7 days of its “Best By” dates. Doesn’t matter if it still “seems fresh”, it’s a public health risk.
Anyone who has worked in food service knows DAMN WELL he was telling the truth simply because he used the phrase “waste product”. That dumb phrase is always drilled into your head by cheap owners/bosses at slow/failing places.
The milk doesn't have to be curdled/smell sour to have gone bad. That would just mean it had gone criminal. And since when did security have to escort employees off the premises at the end of shift?
When your shift abruptly ends due to pissing off the manager😄
Literally just poured out milk on the 28th and the sell by date was today. 😅 It can go bad even before the sell by date.
Yup, and I'm pretty sure that's what the blurb from CDFA about how the sell by date should onky be perceived as an indicator, rather than the way the boss was interpreting it to mean, which felt a lot like: "nah, it's good for three weeks beyond the date as long as it still _smells_ good".
Nah, theres NO excuse for this.
I've worked at Stores and restaurants. VENDERS will absolutely take back expired products and give credit. There were only a couple companies that wouldn't and those vendors were dropped by the manager/owners.
Interesting. If he’s in America, and they fire him for telling people about the dates, they will be liable for a retaliation suit. They should just give him a check right now and be done with it.
Depends which state he’s in too
@@erinmarieee23 he's in CA which has strict employee laws
Yup, that's why they haven't fired him yet and want him to come in for a "staff meeting".
I wonder if he signed an NDA that stated to not use his phone to expose company information hmmm
@ Right! I think he’s in California. If he’s in Montana, he’s all good. 😂
What strikes me as weird is that they said the milk wasn't served to anyone but still mentioning Cali law concerning milk n sell by dates. I don't trust anyone to do the smell test for me.
I think what happened is that someone wasn’t doing their side work/fifo (first in/first out). It would happen all the time at restaurants I worked at. People would get lazy and not do their side work. Then we would find old stuff in freezers or the walk in. When we would find it, we would throw it out
That has to be it because yeah at my cafe we just used too much milk there is no way it would be going bad like that but if one or two gallons is consistently pushed to the back yeah I can see it happening.
That makes sense but not with his caption of not wasting things
Doesn't matter, manager/owner are still on the hook
He said explicitly the owner said no waste. So that’s clearly not what happened
@@kikialeaki1850 and I don’t believe him.
Anyone who has put spoiled milk in their coffee knows it right away. It actually forms flakes that float to the top of the coffee. Have customers complained about their coffee?
That's my thing.. I would be much more concerned if customers were coming out talking about getting spoiled milk in their coffee.
I agree
Bi-weekly is an ambiguous phrase and can mean twice a week (i.e consistent with the other statement) or every two weeks.
Oh that makes sense! I have never heard it be used for twice a week before so was a little confused
I wonder if that's in the US..because in the UK it means every two weeks
@@keatalisonNope, bi-weekly means every two weeks here in the U.S. as well. I haven't heard of anyone use it like that before. At least where I am from.
Yeah I had to double check the dictionary. I know the only time I've used bi-weekly was when describing how we got paid at a job.
It 100 percent can mean either twice a week or every other week
The owner is in TROUBLE
And from their reaction, the guy was telling the truth 💪😂
The thing about a "best by date" is the fact that they've determined the product is best by that date. A bag of potato chips don't suddenly go stale. However, they might be less crisp, have lost some flavor, or any number of other things. You can not call a product past their best by date "fresh". Now, with milk, you can freeze it. But for a business like that? If you really sell milk so infrequently that you still have a gallon of milk even on the sell by date, you might want to just remove it from the menu or at least by a smaller thing of milk.
So, the video comes out of expired milk. The boss sees it. Fires the guy that exposed him. Dumps old milk, gets new milk, has girls video unexpired milk ? Got it. 🥴🥴🥴
As someone who works with very lazy people, I'd say ask. Always. I often find after I've been off for a few days there are a lot of expired stuff that no one bothered to throw out and they just keep using. Smh it's gross.
14:14 THE ONLY Reason they want a meeting is to CYA because the company knows they messed up BIG TIME!!! I hope he brings a lawyer to this meeting because this is standard PR procedure for a business that’s outdated and doesn’t work on social media anymore and they’re gonna try to get him to sign something to say that he was in the wrong.
Do people not understand how expensive lawyers are? He should not be hiring one to bring to this meeting. It will cost him weeks worth of work to bring one to this meeting. It’s not feasible to bring one over a barista job. Cali is also an at will state meaning the company can fire him at any time without so much as giving a reason why.
Also bringing a lawyer to a work meeting will not do him any favors as far as creating a healthy work environment. Owners will see it as a threat and treat him as one.
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
@ this is clearly the owner on a sock puppet account spamming the comments
His claims cannot be classified as slander. Even if they are defamatory, they would be classified as libel because they have been published on social media. I'm not sure this coffee shop owner is the brightest crayon in the box.
She truly isn’t
The best defense for a libel suit is that it's the truth
and it obviously is the truth
They’re not, they’re spamming this comment section claiming to be a random local as if this gave them credibility on the spoiled milk lmao
13:32 That excerpt is for home consumers not for businesses. A business has a higher standard for products than what you have in your home.
I know shes lying bcuz she said "he was acting erratic" when his video clearly shows him calmly and kindly getting escorted off premises
And another thing ... just bcuz you also happen to have milk that isn't passed the expiration date doesnt mean that you're not serving patrons milk passed the expiration date..
that's just rediculous. I'm only at the 6:34 mark and I already don't believe that woman.
More Commentary to come ....
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You do know things happen outside of someone of the time someone knowingly presses record on their phone and are then on their best behavior at that moment, right? Not saying the manager is right, but his video is not to be taken as the full story for goodness sakes smh
It’s amazing RUclipsrs pick this up and don’t actually talk to locals.
I’m from San Lorenzo. This is around the corner from my place. The employee is getting dragged in the community pages because we know he’s full of shit.
Sell by date isn’t the expiration…. How anyone doesn’t understand that is crazy.
The coffee shop is well loved and respected in the area.
They provide great service and never had an issue.
This employee literally was threatening people and messaging people for calling him out. He literally tried to say he’s starting his own brand of coffee shop while shitting on brewha.
The dude is unstable and wants attention for his project he’ll never get off the ground. Want proof? We got the receipts for all his bs in our community pages. And my inbox from him sending me threatening messages.
All these clowns commenting about something they don’t know through.
RUclips is wild.
Many of these comments worked for coffee shops or restaurants?? So I think you’re full of shit
@ same spam comment, it’s the owners sock puppet
I am a barista. We go through milk at a pace where I have never found an expired jug in my 8 years of work, but we still always check the dates and if I found an expired jug, I'm just tossing that shit and not consulting my boss about it??
Thats when you call the health inspector and let them sweat it out. Why risk getting sued by uploading your grievances on tikkity tok?
Ive worked at places that always had a warning before the health inspector comes
9:35 when, how, why the f would any security ever say to a barista "hey your shift is over man!"
Nevuary, nowhereland, and no reason because it never happened.
13:15 I’m not sure if anyone else knows this but this is referring to products that have potentially gone bad BEFORE the best by/ sell by date. Basically saying “if the product is labeled to still be good but the product itself seems to have gone bad, do not serve it just because it says it’s still good.” NOT “if the product is labeled to have gone bad but still seems okay to serve, go ahead and disregard the label.” This person should not have a shop that sells food to customers if this is the way they justify disrespecting food safety standards.
“I welcome anyone to come in and inspect the dates” is CLEEEEAAARRRRRRLLLYYY one of those “I’m going to threaten you with something that I assume you will NEVERRRRRR do!” Kinda Kindergarten-esque attempts at gaslighting / deflecting Blame….
Literally one of THEE “Oldest Tricks in the Book!”
7:48 I imagine he said you can check now because now all the milk in there is fresh unlike when the video was made
Wouldn’t that be HIS job to toss the milk if he knows it’s bad? Or are they telling them not to toss it? Lots of questions!
the caption said they wouldn't let him waste product implying that they won't let him toss it.
As someone with OCD and crippling fear of food contamination, this would ruin me.
If you rattling the jug around and the milk is sticking to the walls of the jug.......that dairy is bad. Like you don't need to smell or read a date........its bad period 😂 my father was also a dairy factory worker, we know fresh milk.
You are supposed to take it out when the best by date is up. That's a health concern.
Honestly, this is reminding me why you can’t eat at everybody’s house. First, there is a difference between what you’d do at home vs in a business that has to follow strict food safety regulations. But secondly, the date isn’t a few days off or even a week. Some of that stuff is THREE WEEKS past the date!!! Even if you’re gonna get picky about best/sell by dates, the sell by date is only about a week before it’s expected for milk to expire unopened! So it’s still TWO weeks past the date!! I’m not risking that!! Some people may be able to cook and use kitchen appliances safely but they still don’t know food safety!!
I have an autoimmune disease. I can not risk getting sick for my body can not fight it. Even the smallest bit of bad food will have my life at risk. i want fresh things when i go out.
"Security was just there to let him know his shift was over" ... WTactualF ... Anybody else ever work at a job where the security guard was in charge of telling employees when their shift was over each day? 😂wild. And saying there wasnt expired milk while stating there was ALSO new unopened milk in there as well...girl how??😂 All of her responses were chaotic, laughable, and wildly unprofessional.
That's why I don't understand why fast food gets a bad rep cause they get food audited every couple of months to make sure they're doing everything right but these mom and pop shops can do the nastiest things and get away with it!! Just watch ANY kitchen nightmare or bar rescue episode, and you'll get it!
“Bi-weekly” means both “once every two weeks” and “twice a week”. Gotta love the English language…
I've worked in food service for going on 30 years and, while I always tell people that "best by" doesn't necessarily mean "bad after", I would NEVER use a perishable product past that date at work. Now, I work in healthcare food service, so I'm a lot more conscious of things that could potentially make vulnerable people sick, but that's also why most businesses stick to those dates: you never know who is purchasing your product. Wasting out of date product is nothing compared to a lawsuit or somebody's *life*
"The security guard let him know his shift was over for the day."
Press X to Doubt
the only way i can think of a cafe having so much expired milk is 1. over-ordering 2. people arent rotating them properly
It sounds like he addressed some issues with what was happening and they didn't like it. We saw videos of him calmly explaining himself and yet they're calling him "erratic." I don't trust the small business in this situation.
The company keeps saying they didnt use that milk but also defend the milk saying its fine and that the "sell by" date doesn't matter ("rely in ur senses, etc). I dont believe they were closed for almost a month (date was dec 9). It doesnt matter if they say "anyone can come look at our milk dates to anytime" because theyre going to make sure the milk is fresh now fue to this incident. Doesnt prove anything about what they did in the past.
“we welcome any health department to inspect” is a nice hand-waiving gesture since there’s only one that can actually inspect them, and surely they’re too busy to randomly turn up on a social media dare.
I've paused @7:41 to say, the barista didn't actually show what that days date was. So he could've recorded that video well in advance and saved it just to cause the boss some grief. Especially if they don't get on. It's not definite but its possible. 😬🤷🏼♀️
When I worked at a pet store, we couldn't even sell so much as fish food a day past the printed date. Milk only stays good a couple days after the expiration date, not THREE WHOLE WEEKS 🤮
I've been to a Starbucks and my mom and I ordered from a location we don't go to normally, but the milk was so bad we both were suffering all day. We would call and let them know but it felt out of taste (yes pun intended) to call in.
Milk is milk. You CANNOT have it longer than maybe 2 weeks if it is not that processed. The brands the original poster is showing I know don't last maybe 6 days after opening but the organic version lasts a week longer.
But also you're serving customers food. You need to make sure you can keep it safe, including taking a little spoon and tasting it. Also, companies will cheese the regulations for cutting costs, it's business in the US.
If it's expired or passed the sell by date it should have been thrown out, but I work in a kitchen too and a couple times we kept expired items with a do not use label on it bc we were trying to get refunds for them. Also, that's a lot of expired things they have in there.
6:17 erratic behaviour😂😂😂
When business owners respond like this instantly know they're full of shit. Like you do a professional response, not a tiktok lip sync yikes.
They might be able to sue him for breach of contract. Who knows what they make him sign when he became employed. Also buying fresh milk isn't proof of not using old milk, and we've seen compelling evidence that there is old milk.
You think cashiers have employment contracts?! Oh, you're so cute!!
ORGANIC milk stays fresh 3 times longer than regular milk....
@@BeccaHetrick for 20+ days though?
@@BeccaHetrick If Jimmy John delivery drivers could have non-compete clauses then yeah it's well within possibility that a cashier can have an employment contract. It may not be common but it's definitely possible. A quick google search will verify this
@@BeccaHetrick I was a barista in college and we did. It also included some NDA- type of document regarding the recipes
Yeah shop is definitely guilty, like stop getting milk deliveries twice a week if you have so much milk your not going through it before it’s weeks past the sell by date, or investigate why your supplier is sending you old milk. They need a better system to track their milk lol
Regardless of when the expiration dates are, liquid milk products are supposed to be used within 7 days of opening the package. The date the product was opened should be written on the carton according to the heath department.
Yeah, I work in an early education center and as soon as we open any milk (1%, whole, almond, soy) we have to write the date on the cap and the container. After 7 days we have to dump it.
As someone who's accidentally made my chai lattes with expired milk, just the chance of the milk or cream being expired seems unprofessional.
The owner needs to be careful with their comments since they’re using defamatory language to describe the employee, particularly calling him erratic, among others. The employee didn’t actually say anything specifically that can’t be proven factually (a date on a carton is a date), though I’m sure he would have no problem finding other employees, current or former who will testify about the “no wasting” rule. Finally, the claim he wasn’t fired would come down to testimony from the security guard, explaining why he was escorted out of the shop. As an aside, if those dairy products aren’t being served to customers, why are they still present? Why mention there are other “fresh” options available? You don’t keep product you have no intent to use, particularly when you’re space constrained like in a coffee shop
At my job, we have two different dates stickers; a sell by and a sell thru. For a sell by of 12/12/24, we would have to pull that at midnight of 12/11. For sell thru its midnight off 12/12. And if it's an item that's been opened for store use (like for coffees), it's usually 7 days from open, so they'll get tossed before that sell by date. Part of a business that serves food is budgeting for losses like this.
Brewja/Bruja Coffee is brilliant marketing
It is a red flag when people try to PR talk AROUND the criticism and pick their wording.
For example: "we would never serve spoiled milk"
No one said SPOILED. There was a focus on the dates and how that time in between is certainly a grey area, and if that grey area gets too smudged it can expire.
"We order fresh milk biweekly" cool? Yay? Who cares? What does that have to do with the price of peas in Persepolis? He didn't claim that you only make milk orders when you get Rick Rolled, he said the milk in the fridge was sussy.
"We do not refuse to let our employees throw away expired goods" right, but that wasn't the claim either. He is saying he doesn't think it is good to leave it that long.
Also, if you have milk going that long...stop ordering biweekly, it is clearly too much, or you aren't rotating your stock frequently enough. We had higher standards of service than this at a supermarket deli, and they don't have anywhere NEAR the kind of legal standards that places that MAKE you food have.
Edit: not them quoting the DISTRIBUTER omg girlypop what has that to do with this? They do not control YOUR quality and YOUR quality control is the one under scrutiny here. Rotate your stock instead of yapping heffa. You gonna get a quote from the farmer next? The cow??
The people defending that are nuts and have clearly never had food poisoning before. My milk goes bad _before_ the best by/expiry date, and they think milk 2-3wks past that date is fine to serve to paying customers to see if they get sick or not?? Insane. Food safety isn’t to be taken lightly.
As someone who has worked with food, Use By and Sell By dates are generally the same. If something has a date on it and it’s past that date, Health and Safety says it MUST be off the shelf, regardless if it is actually expired or not.
This is a bit similar to something that happened with a diner in my hometown earlier this year, except the story you are covering has an outcome that makes more sense.
An employee of the local diner posted on Facebook one day that she and her coworkers showed up to find the doors locked and a sign on the door saying the diner was closed indefinitely and that the state had seized the business. All this stuff came out about taxes and nonpayment of rent and health code violations. The owner was defensive and nasty, even posting information about employee wage garnishments on social media. People were rightfully mad and disgusted, even after the diner opened.
And then the diner owner either wisened up or hired a social media manager and started spinning all of this stuff about being an underdog and how it’s a hometown business. Gone were the angry posts and in their place were all these shmultzy and sappy photos. The local real estate agent and insurance guy who make sure they are seen everywhere made sure to make a photographed appearance and all the sudden, everyone was eating at the diner again like we hadn’t seen photos of cockroaches and mold two days ago. It was just…weird. Everyone wanted to be there for the underdog…even if the underdog was running a nasty establishment. So I’m glad people actually seem to be holding Brewja to account.
Everyone knows to throw away milk right way if it out of date and you definitely throw it away before you close for the holidays
Why do they have SO MUCH MILK?
It looks like a retaliatory/ wrongful termination suit!
Also the fact that they say they ‘test the freshness of products daily’ I’m sorry but whether dairy products smells/looks fine or not a professional business SHOULD NOT be using them for the general public even one day past the use by date! I have worked in numerous kitchens and we checked dates every single day! At home yes I will use milk or cheese like 2-3 days past use by date but in a professional setting hell no!
When I worked at taco bell our store passed inspection with flying colors... until they found a single bag of cheese in the freezer that expired the day before. We were in a shit ton of trouble just for that, I think the inspector would of had an aneurysm if we had milk that old in our store.
If you put spoiled milk in coffee you will see particles floating in your coffee right away. It's super easy to tell, I can't imagine people just wouldn't notice.
You're right, but will the employee notice 100% of the time before placing the lid on, which will hide the fact it's spoiled from the drinker, until they taste it.
Just a note, biweekly can mean twice a week OR once every two weeks. Bi monthly for example, can be once every two months OR twice a month.
Yes. The dictionary lists both ways, but many people just assume it is the way they first heard it and hence confusion and misunderstandings can happen.
All I have to ask the owner is ... Why is it in the fridge if it's not going to be used?? He's lying, straight up.
There is every reason to get rid of it because any other employee that either isn't trained well or is just rushing too fast might accidentally used the expired stuff if it's there, so _get rid of it!_ Dude is a joke.
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For those who dont know "bi-weekly" can mean either every two weeks or twice a week, though it's typically used for every two weeks
I’m glad I checked before commenting the same thing lol. Same with “bi-annually” except I’ve found typically people use that to mean twice per year and not every two years.
@@Lucina.. biannually actually does mean twice a year, and only twice a year. Biennially means every two years. Biweekly and bimonthly are ambiguous.
Bimonthly is twice per month. Biweekly is twice per week. Don’t we know that “bi” means “TWO” by now? 🙄
@@kikialeaki1850 that’s very interesting to note thank you. I’ve had lots of conversations before about the use of biannual and I’ve never heard biennial mentioned but etymologically it makes sense!
@ bi meaning two would mean every two X. You’re talking about bi meaning twice; twice an X, here. So, not only does it still mean both things, but you chose the wrong one to speak on. Next time you wanna be snarky, at least be correct.
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