Put the legendary 7.3 stock up against a stock 6.0 and 6.4. Then put the same trucks up against the similar Chevy/gmc and dodge. And of course, put all against the modern version of all. You could fill out tons of vids doing this. And probably a 1/3 of us at any given time want at least one of those comparisons at any given. Another idea would be to include known weakness/flaws in each and how hard and maybe ballpark it would cost to make each last just as long as the rest….not all out power but from a daily reliable rig to crisscross the country on any given day. Example, that 2k/3k truck could have 5k to 10k put in it and last just as long as the 100k truck and tow/stop almost as good. Again, not from a rolling coal drag race but from the “do the grunt work” point of view.
Same here with a 2001 7.3. Jump in and go. Give me 50,000 to do upgrades and it would tost all those new trucks. I hate def trucks mine has no imitions at all from factory very reliable.
Used to own a ‘96 IDI non turbo, bought for 900$ all she needed were some new fuel lines since she was sitting a while. I could piss, shit, throw McDonald’s grease and radioactive horse semen in that ol girl’s tank and she’d run better than when I filled her up on normal diesel. Duel tanks were amazing too. Sold the truck for 6,000$. Would pay 7,000$ just to have that truck back. Her nickname was “Loyal”.
@AquafalconHD all the 7.3 was like that. Every motor after was junk. With the injection system on the old ones you could almost run straight motor oil and she would run. Lol I actually would filter and delute are old oil from are over the road trucks and pore it in the fuel tank. Why wast 10 gallons of good used oil. Lol
Given the fact that you just can't buy these configurations anymore I'd say its even worth it to invest in major repairs or restoration down the road just to keep them going. My friend's dad also has the manual diesel F250 for his home contracting business with about three dollars and fifty cents on the odo.
What major mechanical maintenance have you had to do recently? I just discovered my reman steering gearbox (installed by previous owner or his mechanic) was missing brass seat inserts where the hoses connect. All this power steering whine and I couldn't pinpoint the cause, leak kept getting worse and worse. O rings were the only thing sealing. And of course my reman autozone A/C conveniently blew after almost exactly 1 year, thanks to the texas heat. Also had a hole in the intercooler so I replaced and decided it was a good time to vent the crankcase into the atmosphere. Lifetime warranty swapped my moog drag link that connects to the pitman arm. Is it me or do the replacement auto parts suck @$$ nowadays? 2000 4x4 SRW with lift and 316k on the odometer, Freedom off road adjustable track bar
No matter how you put it, there is never a good reason to buy a truck for $100k when you can get a 2019 for $53k. They RAPIDLY depreciate and are often less reliable than the older models. It’s legitimately proven
Your not buying a 2019 3500/F350 for 53k Denali/Platinum without a crap ton of miles on it. I love how all the small brains assume you have to buy a Denali to get a 3500, or a Platinum to get a 350. There's brand new diesel 1 tons for 66k-70k
usually newer cars are more reliable, last longer with better fuel economy technology, but something has had happened in these last years; If i've had to get a pickup id buy anythin' from the really old ones to just about 2013
A family of 7.3's here. 1999, 2002 and 2003. All with 250-450K plus trouble free miles. Just regular maintenance. I'd drive any of them cross country in a heartbeat. I use my '03 F350 dually to pull our 11K# camper cross country 6 months months out of the year for the past three years and never have an issue. DP Tuner, BTS transmission, Gear Vendors over/under with 4.3 gears. She holds her own!
@@SpeedGGonzalez you buy too old of a truck. Insurance can be expensive still for what you have. And insurance premiums go up almost every year. Not to mention the parts to fix the older trucks are harder to source new. And shipping rates aren't getting cheaper any time soon.
@@fabianmoye7919 fair point. But if you were to spend, say 30k cash on a good used diesel (LBZ/LLY duramax, 3rd Gen Cummins, early 6.7 Powerstroke in my case), you don’t have a payment that’s 1500+ a month and you can get cheaper insurance. Finding parts on these trucks isn’t exactly difficult. They’re much easier to work on also… This GMC will have a payment around 2k a month if you’re not financing the fuckin thing for 10 years. That’s just to drive it. Full coverage insurance on a 100k vehicle isn’t gonna be cheap. And these new trucks are VERY expensive to fix. So at the end of the day, you would 100% be saving tens of thousands of dollars by purchasing an older truck.
That’s my exact thoughts. You’re paying way more of all these gadgets and stuff. The performance doesn’t really justify the money you’re spending on it, in my own opinion.
@@kithergilliam153 I hear ya, I'm in northern nevada and summer is no joke either..especially at 6700 feet. But then the air condition seats come in handy...lol
Another thing to consider is the cost of basic repairs once the new truck is off warranty. My diesel mechanic discouraged me from upgrading my pristine 97 Ford 7.3L to a newer truck based on the idea of repair costs long term. The older trucks are so simple with fewer things to go wrong and if a $5 vacuum line goes bad it can all be accessed simply by opening the hood. As my mechanic explained, that $5 vacuum line on a newer truck could cost in excess of $2500-3000 as the entire cab has to be removed to access some locations on the newer trucks. From my perspective, the only reason one pays for the new truck is the prestige factor and the ergonomics and comfort of a new truck. New trucks are quiet, smooth, easy to drive, with tons of cubbie spaces for storage and are outfitted with tons of technology. I ended up keeping the old truck and simply did some sound deadening, added a premium sound system with double DIN head unit to provide an update in technology coupled with a back-up camera and few power mods and I am good to go. Still not as smooth and not as quiet but very happy with the 97. Get tons of compliments everywhere I go.
You couldn't give me a new 6.7 Powerstroke...have had to work on SO many, while the old 7.3 had its' problems but they're fixable and for sure will run more miles with less problems than the new versions. 6.0's have lots of issues too...but they're better than the 6.4's and it's like Ford kept changing and making new problems rather than fixing the existing ones. Anything with DEF sucks SO bad....and I've been stranded by Ford 6.7 when a single thermo-couple failed. Far, far too many things in the system that can and will shut you down if and when they fail. Especially for a work truck they're too sensitive and complicated....go for the old trucks and fix them up.
Put a jumper on your a/c pressure switch to keep it on, colder than any other trucks a/c right there. The OBS trucks had the best a/c and the bench seat is the best I think. 08 and up interior is very nice, but 6.4 and 6.7, nah.
For me my job requires me too be on time too work rain or shine and I do constant traveling. My 2023 3.0 duramax 1500 has a 100k mile warranty from the factory and they’ll put me straight into a loaner truck no questions asked if I have an issue .
Yeah I know a diesel mechanic and I’m sure I heard the number incorrectly but he said a new gmc under warranty needed 18k worth of injectors replaced. I’m like I obviously can’t afford a new diesel. Lol
I know I would personally take the old one. To me its really hard to justify the $100k. That and the newer trucks have gotten so big its unreal. Another factor is that if I had a new truck I would be afraid to use it and beat it up. I know I would cry when I saw that first scratch. I like to use my trucks and even though I dont purposefully beat them up, accidents do happen though when working them. My daily is an 86 Dodge D-150 gasser. - Jamie
I’d get the old truck and use the other 98k to by an m5… or even get a used one and buy a trailer and skidsteer/ mini ex. With the 98k savings you could start a business.
@@FishFind3000 You could buy a couple acres and start a clean trailer Parker for $98k. Which could make you 10-15k a month which would give you the $98k back in a year or two and then it’s all profit
@poultryguy12able Based off your 11 acres sure but 2/3 would be significantly less and for $100k it’s very doable your just have more limited resources than I do. I own my own equipment and do the work myself
I have an 02 7.3 Excursion with 357,000 on her. Bought her new off the lot, have kept it maintained and always repaired any issue immediately. I’ve done a lot of proformance upgrades to her over the years as well as replaced all the suspension with F350 Ford factory parts including the 20” king ranch wheels. My buddy’s drive newer trucks and make fun of me for driving an antique. They ask when I’m getting a new one. I tell them it cant be replaced because no one makes anything like it to replace it with. I’ll still be driving mine when there on there 5th new one making upwards of $1000 a month payments. Meanwhile I haven’t had a truck payment in 17 years. Who’s making fun of who when I’m retired at 50 and they’re still working to pay for sh!t. Lol
Die hard GM fan? Why? Do you just hate money? Every Chevy I’ve ever been forced to own is a shitbox, paradoxically the newer they are the worse they are….. Buy a Toyota.
My 7.3 trucks I’ve owned for over 20 yrs are going strong and have never been apart. Not buying a newer one and if I ever have to it will be a Godzilla gas . To much tech in these new diesels. I’m 60 now hopefully finish up in business and I’m done with this buying Trucks. No thanks me these days to be in a small business thanks to democrats and the rhino idiots that go along with them. Fuel prices thanks to the bumbling idiot in the White House is making it tuff.
@@wishunter9000my silverado ran for 3 years, no oil changes, no coolant, and a blown headgasket. if it wasn’t for the cracked frame and severe rust it would pass inspection
@@200130769Drove an 04 f250 sold it with 285k miles original trans and motor, probably needed about 2-3k in work through its life outside or oil changes. ran really good too. Had a tuner chip in it did 60 in 4.5 seconds turbo sounded so good
@@robertkurtz7587My 04 f250 would wipe my dads ass in a race in his 18’ f350 single rear wheel 6.7L . Beat a red 01 standard cobra mustang from a 40 roll with a trailer on it full of mowers . It is that fast , even better when you put the 5.9 cummins in them
I'd say it's $100k better if you're hotshotting, and wanna ride in luxury and comfort all day while making money, but just for doing some odd work for yourself, nah
@@XSR1K No car is worth 100k to me i'd rather put that towards a house or land. I love cars but that much money i'd be afraid to take it anywhere or do anything because it is such a massive ammount of money for a object
Cool video. One thing that should be pointed out is having 10 gears vs 5. That in and of itself is a huge advantage when it comes to putting power to the wheels.
LOOK AROUND, There is a reason why so many contractors (my friend's dad), landscapers, and even municipalities STILL hold onto their classic F series diesels to this day. Saw one that looked like the truck in this video today that had a manual transmission, had the bed replaced with a dumper and hauled a landscaping trailer. Cheap to buy, cheap to repair, and they sound pretty mean too. The proof is in the pudding.
@@G7clipsofcDefenitely not. The 7.3 is one of the most proven motors ever built. It's the frugal answer. You don't get rich making monthly payments on a $100,000 truck... you just dont.
@G7clipsofc I have to disagree as well. I own 4 Diesel trucks and yes key word OWN. God bless the man that can go out and pay cash for a 100k truck. I know a few out there and that may be you. I’m a working man in America. In commercial tire sales but I also dig graves on the side and tree work. I have a 2009 6.4 dump truck, 2001 6.0, a 2009 6.4 f250 and a 2015 F250 6.7. All deleted and 6.0 bullet proofed. The big thing is I’m building a 7k square foot house out of pocket myself no contractor. The money one may spend on that truck I chose to put in my house. Having a truck note was the difference and me getting a pool and pool house . Life is all about choices. I live in Tallahassee, Florida I know many people who drive 100k trucks to double wides everyday. Hey love how you want I guess
I'd love to see this with an additional 40k truck as a mid-tier option to see just where the tipping point is. Does a 40k truck perform the exact same as the 100k truck but just doesn't have 20 cameras and leather seats? Then perhaps a bang-for-your-buck analysis to determine if it is actually worth spending another 60k to get to that 100k truck or even if 40k isn't that big of a difference from 2-3.
From what I've seen 40k gets you something around 200k miles these days. I think bottom dollar or new are the best deals currently. You can get a new diesel in the 60k range.
@@bunsguns8222 can confirm, got a 17 F350 DRW in September 2022 w/ 180K miles for 53K after taxes. That price rapidly climbs when you lower the miles on it.
Or a 40k dollar used truck vs a 40k dollar built truck. The used truck could be like a wildcard cause who knows what's done to it. Make sure they are both equally reliable so they can do all the stuff we wanna see.
@@bunsguns8222 38k for 120k miles 45 for around 80-90k that's about what I see in oregon. Now if your a princess of course your gonna get ripped of cause your a yancy.
For the money agree. But if I could get one for free I'll take new. I got a 2002 7.3 with 128k miles for 1800. Sold my 6.7 cummins to keep the ford since I got it so cheap.
@@heathmooneyham5942 While the 7.3 PSDs are really solid, I wouldn't consider them "mechanical". Still needs 120V to drive the injectors, and full computer control. An IDI, though, that's a mechanical 7.3 - Can literally run with 1 wire, and even that could be bypassed if needed.
I have a 7.3..... it sucks little things break, nothing major but enough to keep it on the driveway for a few weeks....costing me money buy the new one if you're using it for a business.
For the trailer drop test, it would be nice to see the Ford with brand new leaf springs as I'm pretty sure those ones were original. Denali had brands making you leave springs so more likely it was going to do a lot better.
Ive got $25k in my 88 F250 7.3 idi supercab long bed 4x4. Has a Gearvendors OD unit on it, 4.10 gears, and bronco bucket seats. New paint, starts up, stops, hauls, pulls, does everything I need it to. I bought a $6k International Loadstar 1600 for heavier towing.
@@joeblow8837 please. I don’t mess with stock diesel trucks to start with, so it doesn’t matter what ford,Chevy or dodge comes out with they are all under powered.
I'd much rather have a 7.3 than any modern truck. My work truck is a '99 f450 with a 12' flatbed dump and. A 2k lb lift gate. I grabbed it with 114k miles from an auction for $12k. I never stress about working it. It's barely broken in at 114k miles ... There's just no chance I'd ever buy a new truck. My daily driver is an '88 landcruiser with a SBC350 swap, and my Sunday driver is a '77 Ford f250 supercab long bed. My bike is an '86 Honda. I don't go by brand. I don't go by features. I go by ease of working on them, aftermarket availability of parts, reliability, practicality, and look.
I own the 3k truck but it's a 2001 V10 crewcab dually but with only 27k Original miles and I can tell you my 0 to 60 is 6 seconds flat unloaded does not loss with 4:30 rear gears. With the upgrades monomax suspension its squat is minimal too. Im saying mint old vs new is a lot closer than you think. I don't own a business and yet I know if I did I would do the same thing but for how I use it shes perfectly fine and a real head turner too.
You would think the new truck is more reliable but she will still leave you stranded. Lots to go wrong. Def heater, nox sensor, ect. Will limp it out and parts availability is erratic.
Our 2019 Chevy 3500 duramax was bought new and probably spent almost as much time in the shop as on the road. Our 05 duramax is still a daily driver and been in the shop very minimal in comparison. New isn’t always better
A 100k truck generates the same income a $3000 truck does for the most part. Obviously you can pull/carry a lot more then the $3000 truck so you can be limited in your tasks, but if you are just towing a 35-50 excavator, a mowing trailer, an enclosed trailer or a dump trailer you really wont need the extra power in the 100k truck. And the obvious is you have a warranty behind you for repairs, so if you can afford the time and money to repair problems that come up in an older truck then thats your best bet. I have 2 6.0 diesel trucks and a 4.6 F250 for landscaping and my high mileage 6.0 typically loses 7-14 days per year in repairs/maintenance. Its expected having over 400k kms.
Used to watch a neighbour drive to work in his F250 for years , always saw him doing oil changes, had the usual patina.He went to trade it in prior to the Covd scenario and was getting offered peanuts for it.I bought it and have never looked back, it owes me nothing they only thing I’ve replaced is a starter, got a second hand one, and a set of used tires off Face Book
I'm leaning towards the old truck simply because one day the warranty will be dropped on the new truck which then isn't going to justify the $100k price tag once things start breaking after warranty you can find parts for the old trucks pretty much in most backyards it's the complete opposite for the new ones
Personally, I certainly can’t afford to trade in a $100k truck every 5 years. Anything I own must be easy to work on in my driveway. My old 7.3 Super Duty has been perfect for my needs
As long as it has a/c and runs good like that one does. $98K is a lot to pay for a warranty that they can really just decide if they want to cover it or not depends on the cost of whatever breaks
He'll never pay 98k. He'll sell way before that. I do the same thing. Just bought a 24' Denali. I might pay 30k tops and she's out the door and someone will have my sloppy seconds
Also you will have to spend 3 hours at the dealership every other month to get your oil change,not because you need it. But because you have to prove you have your car it's maintainance otherwise they will refuse to do repair off that alone.
Just refreshed my 07 with new heads, lifters, push rods, new turbo, injectors, gaskets bottom up and she runs absolutely amazing.ill keep it any day over a 1400 month payment
Exactly. My mechanic is in the process of building me a Stage 1 6.0 Powerstroke all for $10k. I also invested in a Bulletproof Diesel oil cooler, BPD water pump, reman injectors, Edge monitor, SCT tuner, APR studs… so I’m in almost $15k but I’ll have a badass bulletproofed 6.0 for a fraction of the cost of a new truck. Forgot to mention paid about $8k for the truck so do the math but still a lot better than $80k plus for a new truck to me it makes more sense
The new trucks are beautiful. But as far as longevity and costs for repairs you’ll never ever beat that 06. I don’t see these new trucks going 20+ years like the 06 without major money being put into them. If you put 250,000 on one of these new trucks in a four year span I would think for that money it should do it, but mileage and time are two different animals.
@@tyrellames9964 the hell I would, these new “trucks” are computers with wheels I’ll stick with my 88’ power ram it will be on the road long after these things have died.
I bought a '24 3500 AT4 early May and you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. I've had an '01, '06, and '11 Super Duty along with a '16 Ram. I've like each subsequent truck more than the previous. I enjoy the creature comforts, ride quality improvements, and increased power along with the drivability that comes with it. The increased payload capacities with the newer trucks has been nice to have as well.
Im willing to bet they don't hold up as well. The new trucks strive for the most efficiency possible. The main reason old ones are so reliable is the lack of power. Like the 12 valve and the 7.3. a lot harder to break stuff at 200hp.
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871if done correctly an older diesel can reliably hold 500, or for the duramaxes case, about 450, you can make that with a tune easily. However people push their trucks to the max power and sit it at that, have a truck capable of making and handling 800 and only have it make 500 and you’ll be just as reliable if not better
Gotta be going over 10mph I believe for the trailer brakes on the 06 to work. I thought mine was broken and turned the gain all the way up. Got going down the road and nearly got a face full of steering wheel when I hit the brakes 😂
interesting what you said about being stranded on a road trip, because a warranty doesn't really do you any good if the new truck breaks. just means you can't work on it yourself and she's broken til you can get it to a dealer.
Nah, new trucks are beyond what they should be priced, I have a 2000 Excursion with the 7.3 powerstroke, newer trucks may be more powerful, but reliability doesn’t compare to mine lol, love my truck
I bought a '99 F350 SD, 4WD, crew cab, long bed, a Warn bumper & winch combo, but a V10...it was sitting for 2.5+ years, past owner died. Bought cheap, replaced a ton of mechanical "Consumable" parts (huge list), serviced everything, stripped it down (glass, bumper, trim, lights, door handles, weather stripping, everything), painted the entire truck, Line-X bed liner, replaced all 5 tires, re-did the headliner, replaced the 7" halogen driving lights with 300W LEDs', replaced the 3" halogen foglights with 3.5" amber LED's, installed a scanner, and put in a head unit with navigation. All-in, my total out-of-pocket? About $20K. It looks good, runs fantastic, and fits my needs- I wish it was a 7.3, but I really can't complain. This truck will be around for years to come, agree with you two 100%. Simple economics
A overview episode of the 6.0 truck with JH recommendation on what to do to the 6.0 to keep it running and reliable. That would be great for anyone looking to purchase one of these. What to look for based on what you guys see at the shop.
I love my 2003 6.0, but I definitely spent more money fixing it than I did buying it. No way I would go to six figures for the little personal stuff I do- I might be a little jealous. Don't leave out the $10,000 old truck! performance is the same, but it makes a big difference when its nice and clean inside and out. I don't see that new truck making it 20-30 years with all the exhaust treatment stuff.
just left Ram looking at a cummings today. Is this a TRUCK channel or not? Yes we like this kinda content! Much love brother, and dont shine down that GMC or feel like u have to explain it to anyone. The hard work you have been putting in this year on this channel alone. Speaks as to why that truck is there, never mind all the hard work we dont see yall doing.
Ford guy here… that GMC is gorgeous! Amazed at the performance and how refined the new trucks are. But I still love my good ol’ 6.0. Keeping her forever.
What about showing how well some minor upgrades to the ford will help overall in towing and braking performance .. Just a thought .. Hope all is well down in FL , coming from NC .. Thanks for all the awesome content guys !!
In my opinion, it’s only a matter of what your budget is. You can always upgrade brakes, add a tuner, fuel injectors, turbo, etc. So, with a few grand in upgrades, you can be well below $100K and have a reliable truck that performs well beyond the new trucks these days without the DEF and DPF, etc.
Bro the newer trucks make close to 1000ft torque and can tow close to 40k. Good luck getting that with a 6.0 along with reliability heated and air conditioning seats and all the other technology. Plus if you own a business it just looks better if your driving a newer truck vs a loud ass older diesel.
@@xaphan8581 First off, I wouldn’t drive. 6.0 Ford by choice. Secondly, You can easily get to 1,000 lb ft of torque with a programmer and maybe fuel injectors. You might need an upgraded turbo depending on which truck you have. However, I believe you can easily obtain the performance of a new truck for way less than $100K
@xaphan8581 I've got less than $10k into a 6.0 and it will dog walk that GMC, and it looks pretty damn nice, as a business owner you might look better with an old truck that looks really nice because it means you take pride and car anyone can go buy a new truck. Maybe they dus it because they trashed the old one in 2 years. But I know a guy who pulls up on a jobsite in a nice older truck takes pride in their shit.
@poultryguy12able Actually, you can build a reliable Cummins by adding a built transmission, head studs, injectors, and an upgraded turbo for way less than $100k. And, yes I have seen new diesel trucks broken down. My son’s friend had a 2022 F250 Diesel that had less than 4K miles on it that broke down. He had it in the shop for repairs at least 4 times so far.
My dad has a 1993 F-250, and it has a custom V8 Diesel turbocharged. He is currently rebuilding the entire truck since he got rammed in the rear end by a van that bent the frame. He had to replace the entire frame, and we are making good progress. We are about ready to put the cab back on, so we should be running in no time!
when your wife asks you to justify a 100 grand purchase so you gotta run outside and shoot a real quick comparison video with a 17 year old parts truck.
It's interesting how the 6.0 was 1.1 second slower in the 1/4mi. But 9.2 seconds slower in the 60mph. I'm willing to bet the vgt actuator arm, unison ring, and vanes are worn making it slow to spool because it majorly came to life on the top end which is normal for a old vgt or reman turbo where they don't replace that stuff. Also did you disable trailer brakes on the gmc? If not since they didn't work on the 6.0 that could make a big change there.
Love the video great work!! My only question is on the braking how did the 6.0 stop that trailer in that short of time without having a trailer brake. That tells me that the gmc needs better brakes lol!! Just wondering if I missed something?
There's no comparison. I don't care for the 6.0 personally, but I'm about to drop $5,000 on an old square body F250 with a 7.3L Powerstroke and a manual transmission. My old 7.3 got stolen and trashed unfortunately. I know a guy with a Power Wagon that has a 5.9L Cummins and a standard. I'd like to see which trucks are still running post apocalypse just to confirm my suspicion, but to tell the truth I already know the answer :)
We love our 2002 F350 crew cab 4X4 SRW long bed. She was an XLT, originally but the interior is slated for an upgrade, she's black and mostly original appearing other than a level up kit, ranch hand, and some aftermarket wheels in the 16.5 flavor. That said, I can and do work on her. Parts are relatively cheap, and I can easily buy a new engine and trans for her. She is of course modified. Not to the point of being unreliable though, 1400EGT is real bad LOL. At about 400HP these days, Turbo and intake upgrade, EGR deleted, turbo back big pipe, cold air induction, swamps stage II double shot injectors, 7 position Hydra chip. She is plenty fast for a 7.3 and does well on fuel, dependent on the current tune. Yeah, we're running cameras front and rear, new paint and theft proofed to the max. My main concern is how bad they are to steal the earlier Fords. I mean I can jack one in about 30 seconds with no security measures. Mine was stolen a while back before I did all the modifications: alarm with kill, all mechanical door locks removed, outside and inside, electric only keyless entry with alarm remote, Lo-jack, and a club as a visual to go along with the alarm LED just to help deter. I did some serious rewiring to it under the dash as well, so hotwiring it would really be a rough day. The hood is also chained and locked shut. That said, if you have an early Ford, especially a nice one secure it up. And your guy is right about his 6.0 I get a lot of compliments on it, often people ask me if I would be willing to sell it. NOPE
I cannot see $100K price difference between the 2 trucks. I would personally take the old truck do a few mods to extract a bit of power, upgrade the brakes also and get a AAA membership incase it breaks down.
My 2015 Duramax has worked perfectly since brand new except the DEF/DPF system. I’ve been left on the side of the road 6 times because of emission systems.
@@FnaAuto It’s not exactly the filter it’s the sensor or sensors that keep going bad. Every year my truck stops working while going down the road. The next time it does that I’m deleting it cause it’s expensive to get it fixed.
I don't know about in the USA but in Canada warranty only covers once it's at the dealership. I had two hardlines blow on fuel rails, back to back. Still had to pay to get trailer towed both times, still had to pay to get truck towed both times. 2600 town bill first time and 3200 the next time. Both repair were under 600. Warranty isn't everything. Truck was completely stock. 2019 F550 at the time 98,000km on it.
I'm still doing 1000 miles a month average with a thirty-year-old Ford IDI nothing about this truck bothers me it sure does seem to bother a lot of people let get behind me⛽️🇺🇸
@@t.s.tractorworkstrickland5828 the engine has never been cracked open since 1993 it don't get any slower I think the new trucks get faster the new ones go so fast they're dangerous if you don't be careful
Heres a real world scenario. New truck: Someone farts in your DEF tank. Engine red lights and shuts off. Engine is perfectly fine but the lobbyists in DC have you by the balls Old truck: B!tch I'm always here for you
They should have honestly used a 7.3 instead of a 6.0, yeah the 7.3 has less horsepower but those 6.0s are dogs..the turbo lag is so terrible. Ive owned both, still own my 03 7.3, the 6.0 used to leave me dead in the water pulling out in front of traffic, waiting for the boost to build up.
Probably not that different. My 2002 7.3 F350 and my 97 7.3 F250HD both averaged 14mpg and my dads new 18 6.7 F350 gets 16-17mpg for being newer and Def,all that fun headache. Also my 5.4 gas got about 14-15 on a good day.
@@mysterysolver514 you really dont have a clue. fuel system problem in a cr truck is a 10k fix. injector fails your engine is trash. how much is a dodge or gm tranny?
Never touched my 6.0. Never had any problems with it. Studded and deleted it at 160k and added a sct tuner then. Replaced oil cooler and glow plugs at the same time and upgraded turbo then too. 225k on the clock now and still zero issues. Maybe it’s the operator driving them or mechanic wrenching on them that makes the ones you owned unreliable… Just saying
A truck is a truck so just buy an old truck and just use it for towing or to carry multiple loads because at the end of the day, you don’t need all that unnecessary technology, all you need is a truck that can do everything for you so don’t waste all your money on a truck with a lot of complicated technology, just spend your money on a truck that is old and reliable
Hey Justin- I haul 10K lb roofing dump trailers with a 2006 f250 with a 6.0 for 6 days a week. (in the AZ heat, and have NEVER had it leave me stranded) One of our crew leaders has a 2022 Duramax 3500 dually, that he has not been able to use for 2 weeks in a row since new without a major breakdown. My truck has 330,000 miles on it, and the worst issue has been replacing brake pads twice. I change oil every 3K miles, and I don;t beat the tar out of it. I forgot, had to change batteries last year. Yes, he'd skunk me in a drag race, but his truck was $138,000... mine $4000. His $700/mo payments are not worth being a little quicker to 60mph (that is when it is driveable). I'll take the power snort all day long, and make a paycheck- while he depends on me to haul his shit around.
As long as it's under the bumper to bumper warranty then it's worth a damn, anything beyond that good luck!! They find anyway they can to weasel out of doing anything.
@@JHDieseland4X4 i think he meant that after the warranty expires, the repair bills on these new computers on 4 wheels will cost most than an entire 20 year old truck
Had the tranny on my 97 F350 Powerstroke rebuilt two years ago by a reputable shop. When I picked it up, we discussed new trucks. He said they were garbage and were failing regularly. I couldn't imagine owning one once the warranty expires.
Alot of the speed advantage comes from the new 10spd transmissions making the engines more efficient. As far as the squat once loaded, we're talking worn springs over new springs. My 07 F250 4x4 has little to no squat with a loaded 20ft car trailer. I wanted a new truck but I can't justify the price of a newer truck when my 07 does everything I need it to and throw at it its just not as pretty
They dont exist.. all these channels are frauds.. no one will part with a dually as long as its running. And they rather leave it to rot in a field than waste time selling it for 2k
I sold my 2004 F150 8 years ago for $12,000. Bought a 97 F350 Powerstroke for $3000, a 58 John Deere Bulldozer, a 10 ton trailer and still had $1000 for tires and brakes. A truck is a tool - Period.
I bought a 2006 6.0 LS3 chevy 4wd with a plow for $800 and a 2002 ford f450 7.3 diesel for $2000 both needed brakes and beds which i just put Wood flatbeds since i got a mill. Together they cost about $3700.
@@MJ_Landscapesfrom where? Facebook marketplace or something. Shit man I work on tractor diesel motors and want a used diesel pickup but can’t find a good place to buy them. Everything is so expensive.
I have had newer trucks I am back in a 04 6.0l and to be honest I love it, no monthly payment being able to work on it, parts are cheaper. If you get a loaded truck in that year 05-07 they are still nice and have heated seats you can get a nice radio and back up camera for 5-600. The new ones a defiantly more capable but really are they 85k more capable. One other thing to mention is that technically with the new trucks being so much more capable depending on truck/trailer combo you need a cdl. For me the old truck works but I like turning a wrench here you guys said it perfect, if you got the coin too blow it will give your business a good look pulling up but if things slow down especially with the economy being how it is you have that payment as over head. Regardless theses truck prices are insane used or new
I just came across your video and it is so cool to see the shop I trust to work on my truck on RUclips. I really like the comparison. I have a 2004 foot-350 dually with the 6.0 built with every upgrade I could stuff under the hood and still am not even close to the price of a new one. I do not make a living with mine but I do need to haul rock and logs in the mountains from time to time when I travel to Tennessee so would I like the power and reliability of a new GMC, sure but I would not want to truck payment. I’ll keep my old 6.0 and keep it repaired and maintained. Thanks for the video it did answer the main questions. If anyone has read this far please know, I work on my truck and do nearly all the repairs when needed. But when I do need service, these guys are the only people I trust to work on my 6.0.
Around here it’s used truck 300k miles, 2 accidents, bent frame. $20k O.B.O don’t lowball I know what I have. A overpriced POS that’s what you have smh
What do you guys wanna see compete? Crazy to see the difference the diesel
Market has made in the last few years!!
Might as well go grab Cleetus new tow pig and go apples to apples, not old busted joint and the new hotness 🤣
Lets see a top tier gas vs top tier diesel vs current top tier electric truck
@@ryanc8188it’s in the works!!
@JHDieseland4X4 let's go! Gmc got it all day!! Cleet don't want that smoke! 😆
Put the legendary 7.3 stock up against a stock 6.0 and 6.4. Then put the same trucks up against the similar Chevy/gmc and dodge. And of course, put all against the modern version of all. You could fill out tons of vids doing this. And probably a 1/3 of us at any given time want at least one of those comparisons at any given.
Another idea would be to include known weakness/flaws in each and how hard and maybe ballpark it would cost to make each last just as long as the rest….not all out power but from a daily reliable rig to crisscross the country on any given day. Example, that 2k/3k truck could have 5k to 10k put in it and last just as long as the 100k truck and tow/stop almost as good. Again, not from a rolling coal drag race but from the “do the grunt work” point of view.
Have had a 1999 F250 7.3 manual for years, still my daily driver. At 307K miles, I’d still trust it across country.
Same here with a 2001 7.3. Jump in and go. Give me 50,000 to do upgrades and it would tost all those new trucks. I hate def trucks mine has no imitions at all from factory very reliable.
Used to own a ‘96 IDI non turbo, bought for 900$ all she needed were some new fuel lines since she was sitting a while. I could piss, shit, throw McDonald’s grease and radioactive horse semen in that ol girl’s tank and she’d run better than when I filled her up on normal diesel. Duel tanks were amazing too. Sold the truck for 6,000$. Would pay 7,000$ just to have that truck back. Her nickname was “Loyal”.
@AquafalconHD all the 7.3 was like that. Every motor after was junk. With the injection system on the old ones you could almost run straight motor oil and she would run. Lol I actually would filter and delute are old oil from are over the road trucks and pore it in the fuel tank. Why wast 10 gallons of good used oil. Lol
Given the fact that you just can't buy these configurations anymore I'd say its even worth it to invest in major repairs or restoration down the road just to keep them going. My friend's dad also has the manual diesel F250 for his home contracting business with about three dollars and fifty cents on the odo.
What major mechanical maintenance have you had to do recently? I just discovered my reman steering gearbox (installed by previous owner or his mechanic) was missing brass seat inserts where the hoses connect. All this power steering whine and I couldn't pinpoint the cause, leak kept getting worse and worse. O rings were the only thing sealing. And of course my reman autozone A/C conveniently blew after almost exactly 1 year, thanks to the texas heat. Also had a hole in the intercooler so I replaced and decided it was a good time to vent the crankcase into the atmosphere. Lifetime warranty swapped my moog drag link that connects to the pitman arm. Is it me or do the replacement auto parts suck @$$ nowadays? 2000 4x4 SRW with lift and 316k on the odometer, Freedom off road adjustable track bar
Love to see what a 3000 dollar truck does in comparison with 97000 in upgrades. Would be a fun build and test.
Or even just 10k in upgrades
Yes this should definitely be a challenge, see how many of the features you can get on the 2k truck for cheap
I want to see this. Maybe not 97k upgrades but definitely built
Are you paying for it?
Was just gonna type that. Put 50k in that truck half as much as new one and send it to the moon lol
No matter how you put it, there is never a good reason to buy a truck for $100k when you can get a 2019 for $53k. They RAPIDLY depreciate and are often less reliable than the older models. It’s legitimately proven
Your not buying a 2019 3500/F350 for 53k Denali/Platinum without a crap ton of miles on it. I love how all the small brains assume you have to buy a Denali to get a 3500, or a Platinum to get a 350. There's brand new diesel 1 tons for 66k-70k
@@GhostlyGhille All fleet sales. White XL's for Ford, white LS's for Chevrolet. GM doesn't cater to fleet, as Chevrolet is the fleet brand.
@@GhostlyGhille is right. Just picked up a 2024 2500 duramax custom for 67 out the door.
@leptivieux1 it is what it is in this market. I need something reliable for work, but I don’t need the tv screen in my wood dash for an extra $18k
usually newer cars are more reliable, last longer with better fuel economy technology, but something has had happened in these last years; If i've had to get a pickup id buy anythin' from the really old ones to just about 2013
A family of 7.3's here. 1999, 2002 and 2003. All with 250-450K plus trouble free miles. Just regular maintenance. I'd drive any of them cross country in a heartbeat. I use my '03 F350 dually to pull our 11K# camper cross country 6 months months out of the year for the past three years and never have an issue. DP Tuner, BTS transmission, Gear Vendors over/under with 4.3 gears. She holds her own!
I need an 8ft dually bed, know where I can get one?
The market today is forcing me to consider building a older truck vs being in crazy debt on a new one. I enjoy not having a payment
Do it, get a budget of 20k
Start with a 5k truck and upgrade it 15k , keep it forever ,don't look back.
Don't do that. Its expensive no matter what you do its called inflation.
@@fabianmoye7919lmao what
@@SpeedGGonzalez you buy too old of a truck. Insurance can be expensive still for what you have. And insurance premiums go up almost every year. Not to mention the parts to fix the older trucks are harder to source new. And shipping rates aren't getting cheaper any time soon.
@@fabianmoye7919 fair point. But if you were to spend, say 30k cash on a good used diesel (LBZ/LLY duramax, 3rd Gen Cummins, early 6.7 Powerstroke in my case), you don’t have a payment that’s 1500+ a month and you can get cheaper insurance. Finding parts on these trucks isn’t exactly difficult. They’re much easier to work on also… This GMC will have a payment around 2k a month if you’re not financing the fuckin thing for 10 years. That’s just to drive it. Full coverage insurance on a 100k vehicle isn’t gonna be cheap. And these new trucks are VERY expensive to fix. So at the end of the day, you would 100% be saving tens of thousands of dollars by purchasing an older truck.
For 50x as much money, the results weren’t 50x better 😎
That’s my exact thoughts. You’re paying way more of all these gadgets and stuff. The performance doesn’t really justify the money you’re spending on it, in my own opinion.
@kithergilliam153 yeah...but my heated steering wheel and headed seats. Started by remote sure is nice when it's time to go to work and it's-10.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 you’re spending money on other stuff that really is for comfort not for performance. It’s all about preferences too.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 since I’m in Texas we never get -10 but we do get 115 weather. It’s bad.
@@kithergilliam153 I hear ya, I'm in northern nevada and summer is no joke either..especially at 6700 feet. But then the air condition seats come in handy...lol
Another thing to consider is the cost of basic repairs once the new truck is off warranty. My diesel mechanic discouraged me from upgrading my pristine 97 Ford 7.3L to a newer truck based on the idea of repair costs long term. The older trucks are so simple with fewer things to go wrong and if a $5 vacuum line goes bad it can all be accessed simply by opening the hood. As my mechanic explained, that $5 vacuum line on a newer truck could cost in excess of $2500-3000 as the entire cab has to be removed to access some locations on the newer trucks. From my perspective, the only reason one pays for the new truck is the prestige factor and the ergonomics and comfort of a new truck. New trucks are quiet, smooth, easy to drive, with tons of cubbie spaces for storage and are outfitted with tons of technology. I ended up keeping the old truck and simply did some sound deadening, added a premium sound system with double DIN head unit to provide an update in technology coupled with a back-up camera and few power mods and I am good to go. Still not as smooth and not as quiet but very happy with the 97. Get tons of compliments everywhere I go.
You couldn't give me a new 6.7 Powerstroke...have had to work on SO many, while the old 7.3 had its' problems but they're fixable and for sure will run more miles with less problems than the new versions. 6.0's have lots of issues too...but they're better than the 6.4's and it's like Ford kept changing and making new problems rather than fixing the existing ones.
Anything with DEF sucks SO bad....and I've been stranded by Ford 6.7 when a single thermo-couple failed. Far, far too many things in the system that can and will shut you down if and when they fail. Especially for a work truck they're too sensitive and complicated....go for the old trucks and fix them up.
Put a jumper on your a/c pressure switch to keep it on, colder than any other trucks a/c right there. The OBS trucks had the best a/c and the bench seat is the best I think. 08 and up interior is very nice, but 6.4 and 6.7, nah.
For me my job requires me too be on time too work rain or shine and I do constant traveling. My 2023 3.0 duramax 1500 has a 100k mile warranty from the factory and they’ll put me straight into a loaner truck no questions asked if I have an issue .
I have same truck, but not pristine. I absolutely love it.
Yeah I know a diesel mechanic and I’m sure I heard the number incorrectly but he said a new gmc under warranty needed 18k worth of injectors replaced. I’m like I obviously can’t afford a new diesel. Lol
I know I would personally take the old one. To me its really hard to justify the $100k. That and the newer trucks have gotten so big its unreal. Another factor is that if I had a new truck I would be afraid to use it and beat it up. I know I would cry when I saw that first scratch. I like to use my trucks and even though I dont purposefully beat them up, accidents do happen though when working them. My daily is an 86 Dodge D-150 gasser. - Jamie
I’d get the old truck and use the other 98k to by an m5… or even get a used one and buy a trailer and skidsteer/ mini ex. With the 98k savings you could start a business.
@@FishFind3000 You could buy a couple acres and start a clean trailer Parker for $98k. Which could make you 10-15k a month which would give you the $98k back in a year or two and then it’s all profit
I’m a clumsy mf sometimes my truck is all scratched up that’s why I’ll never buy anything past like 2012
@poultryguy12able Based off your 11 acres sure but 2/3 would be significantly less and for $100k it’s very doable your just have more limited resources than I do. I own my own equipment and do the work myself
I have an 02 7.3 Excursion with 357,000 on her. Bought her new off the lot, have kept it maintained and always repaired any issue immediately. I’ve done a lot of proformance upgrades to her over the years as well as replaced all the suspension with F350 Ford factory parts including the 20” king ranch wheels. My buddy’s drive newer trucks and make fun of me for driving an antique. They ask when I’m getting a new one. I tell them it cant be replaced because no one makes anything like it to replace it with. I’ll still be driving mine when there on there 5th new one making upwards of $1000 a month payments. Meanwhile I haven’t had a truck payment in 17 years. Who’s making fun of who when I’m retired at 50 and they’re still working to pay for sh!t. Lol
Hell yeah!! Smart man!
I miss my 2005 excursion. My gas guzzler, mine was a V10 gasoline engine, XLT.
This shows they are both worth $2000
I'm a die hard GM fan. However I completely agree with your opinions in the comparison. And yes the old Ford stood her ground and got the job done.
Die hard GM fan? Why? Do you just hate money? Every Chevy I’ve ever been forced to own is a shitbox, paradoxically the newer they are the worse they are…..
Buy a Toyota.
@@wishunter9000I don't know why people spend 10x what a repair cost would be on a new shitbox
My 7.3 trucks I’ve owned for over 20 yrs are going strong and have never been apart. Not buying a newer one and if I ever have to it will be a Godzilla gas . To much tech in these new diesels. I’m 60 now hopefully finish up in business and I’m done with this buying Trucks. No thanks me these days to be in a small business thanks to democrats and the rhino idiots that go along with them. Fuel prices thanks to the bumbling idiot in the White House is making it tuff.
@@wishunter9000my silverado ran for 3 years, no oil changes, no coolant, and a blown headgasket. if it wasn’t for the cracked frame and severe rust it would pass inspection
You should be embarrased to admit that GM builds absolute garbage
It's interesting to see an older truck and how it stacks up against the newer diesel but gotta say the ol 6.0 didn't do to bad.
The 6.0 is one of the worst diesel engines ever made lmao
@@200130769Drove an 04 f250 sold it with 285k miles original trans and motor, probably needed about 2-3k in work through its life outside or oil changes. ran really good too. Had a tuner chip in it did 60 in 4.5 seconds turbo sounded so good
@@robertkurtz7587My 04 f250 would wipe my dads ass in a race in his 18’ f350 single rear wheel 6.7L . Beat a red 01 standard cobra mustang from a 40 roll with a trailer on it full of mowers . It is that fast , even better when you put the 5.9 cummins in them
Is it better? Yes, is it 100k better? You won't ever convince me it is....
Could you imagine when everything starts to break on it especially the electronics.
I'd say it's $100k better if you're hotshotting, and wanna ride in luxury and comfort all day while making money, but just for doing some odd work for yourself, nah
No 4x4 is worth over 100k unless it’s a Landcruiser
@@XSR1K No car is worth 100k to me i'd rather put that towards a house or land.
I love cars but that much money i'd be afraid to take it anywhere or do anything because it is such a massive ammount of money for a object
@@nou8257I’d also rather put that much money towards a house or land.. (cruiser)
Cool video. One thing that should be pointed out is having 10 gears vs 5. That in and of itself is a huge advantage when it comes to putting power to the wheels.
LOOK AROUND, There is a reason why so many contractors (my friend's dad), landscapers, and even municipalities STILL hold onto their classic F series diesels to this day. Saw one that looked like the truck in this video today that had a manual transmission, had the bed replaced with a dumper and hauled a landscaping trailer. Cheap to buy, cheap to repair, and they sound pretty mean too. The proof is in the pudding.
I drive a 2001 f250 with a manual transmission and a 7.3 diesel . Ill keep
That truck until the wheels fall off . Great truck , no payments
Haha fr
Broke person answer
Same here! 03 f250 7.3l
@@G7clipsofcDefenitely not. The 7.3 is one of the most proven motors ever built. It's the frugal answer. You don't get rich making monthly payments on a $100,000 truck... you just dont.
@G7clipsofc I have to disagree as well. I own 4 Diesel trucks and yes key word OWN. God bless the man that can go out and pay cash for a 100k truck. I know a few out there and that may be you. I’m a working man in America. In commercial tire sales but I also dig graves on the side and tree work. I have a 2009 6.4 dump truck, 2001 6.0, a 2009 6.4 f250 and a 2015 F250 6.7. All deleted and 6.0 bullet proofed. The big thing is I’m building a 7k square foot house out of pocket myself no contractor. The money one may spend on that truck I chose to put in my house. Having a truck note was the difference and me getting a pool and pool house . Life is all about choices. I live in Tallahassee, Florida I know many people who drive 100k trucks to double wides everyday. Hey love how you want I guess
I'd love to see this with an additional 40k truck as a mid-tier option to see just where the tipping point is. Does a 40k truck perform the exact same as the 100k truck but just doesn't have 20 cameras and leather seats? Then perhaps a bang-for-your-buck analysis to determine if it is actually worth spending another 60k to get to that 100k truck or even if 40k isn't that big of a difference from 2-3.
From what I've seen 40k gets you something around 200k miles these days. I think bottom dollar or new are the best deals currently. You can get a new diesel in the 60k range.
@@bunsguns8222 can confirm, got a 17 F350 DRW in September 2022 w/ 180K miles for 53K after taxes. That price rapidly climbs when you lower the miles on it.
Or a 40k dollar used truck vs a 40k dollar built truck. The used truck could be like a wildcard cause who knows what's done to it. Make sure they are both equally reliable so they can do all the stuff we wanna see.
@@bunsguns8222 38k for 120k miles 45 for around 80-90k that's about what I see in oregon. Now if your a princess of course your gonna get ripped of cause your a yancy.
I’ll take the reliability of an old mechanical 7.3 all day over a new truck
Hilarious
For the money agree. But if I could get one for free I'll take new. I got a 2002 7.3 with 128k miles for 1800. Sold my 6.7 cummins to keep the ford since I got it so cheap.
@@heathmooneyham5942 While the 7.3 PSDs are really solid, I wouldn't consider them "mechanical". Still needs 120V to drive the injectors, and full computer control. An IDI, though, that's a mechanical 7.3 - Can literally run with 1 wire, and even that could be bypassed if needed.
@@MacRobbSimpson I love them ol'shit box IDI's.
I have a 7.3..... it sucks little things break, nothing major but enough to keep it on the driveway for a few weeks....costing me money buy the new one if you're using it for a business.
For the trailer drop test, it would be nice to see the Ford with brand new leaf springs as I'm pretty sure those ones were original. Denali had brands making you leave springs so more likely it was going to do a lot better.
Ive got $25k in my 88 F250 7.3 idi supercab long bed 4x4. Has a Gearvendors OD unit on it, 4.10 gears, and bronco bucket seats. New paint, starts up, stops, hauls, pulls, does everything I need it to. I bought a $6k International Loadstar 1600 for heavier towing.
Great video! I really appreciate the fairness and the amount of context you put into explaining the differences. Felt very fair and unbiased.
I’m a Chevy guy, but the old ford didn’t do to bad.
Same
The 6.7 would make you cry.
@@joeblow8837 please. I don’t mess with stock diesel trucks to start with, so it doesn’t matter what ford,Chevy or dodge comes out with they are all under powered.
Under powdered okay Internet though guy@@David-i2u7s
Me too
The brake test would have been pretty much equal if the trailer brakes would have worked on the old one.
Plus brand new brakes
That’s exactly what I came to say
I'd much rather have a 7.3 than any modern truck. My work truck is a '99 f450 with a 12' flatbed dump and. A 2k lb lift gate. I grabbed it with 114k miles from an auction for $12k. I never stress about working it. It's barely broken in at 114k miles ... There's just no chance I'd ever buy a new truck. My daily driver is an '88 landcruiser with a SBC350 swap, and my Sunday driver is a '77 Ford f250 supercab long bed. My bike is an '86 Honda. I don't go by brand. I don't go by features. I go by ease of working on them, aftermarket availability of parts, reliability, practicality, and look.
I own the 3k truck but it's a 2001 V10 crewcab dually but with only 27k Original miles and I can tell you my 0 to 60 is 6 seconds flat unloaded does not loss with 4:30 rear gears. With the upgrades monomax suspension its squat is minimal too. Im saying mint old vs new is a lot closer than you think. I don't own a business and yet I know if I did I would do the same thing but for how I use it shes perfectly fine and a real head turner too.
You would think the new truck is more reliable but she will still leave you stranded. Lots to go wrong. Def heater, nox sensor, ect. Will limp it out and parts availability is erratic.
Would still be the sexiest god damn truck on the side of the road... everyone will still know you have a massive, fat wallet 😊
To his credit he talks about it in terms of having the dealership foot the bill of repairs.
Our 2019 Chevy 3500 duramax was bought new and probably spent almost as much time in the shop as on the road. Our 05 duramax is still a daily driver and been in the shop very minimal in comparison. New isn’t always better
@@danielalfredocastro8365the dealership ain’t footin the bill, and neither is the manufacturer, he pre paid for the repairs with the down payment lol
Wonder how the new one will be once it gets the Fords age?
The thing is what ever floats your boat. If you want a Ford or a Duramax or a Cummins it doesn’t matter, your money, your time, your truck.
Besides that Ford did a whole advertising / commercial series supporting trannys, grooming and pedo stuff ..
I wish more people understood this.
We all still like to razz the next guy though.
Exactly and I personally like all 3 brands
You'd be damn hard pressed to find a 06 duelie 1 ton for 2k!
I agree. Most working diesels are a min. of $8-10k.
You can if it's got that 6.0 powerstroke diesel
@@Read1Timothy2nah. People have figured out there good trucks that just need some upgrades so they’re starting to rise in cost.
no such prices found here. More often 25k and more for a diesel duallie.
you havent looked. find one with 300k plus miles and the price drops significantly.
A 100k truck generates the same income a $3000 truck does for the most part. Obviously you can pull/carry a lot more then the $3000 truck so you can be limited in your tasks, but if you are just towing a 35-50 excavator, a mowing trailer, an enclosed trailer or a dump trailer you really wont need the extra power in the 100k truck. And the obvious is you have a warranty behind you for repairs, so if you can afford the time and money to repair problems that come up in an older truck then thats your best bet. I have 2 6.0 diesel trucks and a 4.6 F250 for landscaping and my high mileage 6.0 typically loses 7-14 days per year in repairs/maintenance. Its expected having over 400k kms.
Used to watch a neighbour drive to work in his F250 for years , always saw him doing oil changes, had the usual patina.He went to trade it in prior to the Covd scenario and was getting offered peanuts for it.I bought it and have never looked back, it owes me nothing they only thing I’ve replaced is a starter, got a second hand one, and a set of used tires off Face Book
Let’s see what the gmc does after 20 years and a couple hundred thousand miles? For a couple of seconds I’ll put the 100k in my pocket. 😎🇺🇸
6.0 Powerstroke is shit gonna cost 20-30k in repairs to fix them the L5P is a solid platform definitely be cheaper to own for 20 years.
So what your saying is you can’t afford a new truck?
@@xaphan8581 nope just not dumb enough to spend 100k on a pickup
@@rodfatherschopshop6004 yeah I’m sure
@@xaphan8581 I hope you feel good about yourself because someone else thinks spending that kind of money for a truck is a waste. Whatever man
I love the new truck! Ask Taylor Ray about how his warranty worked for his new truck though!
Warranty did cover it , just took a few days . Which is completely normal, no warranty covers taking your trailer home or a rental truck .
I'm leaning towards the old truck simply because one day the warranty will be dropped on the new truck which then isn't going to justify the $100k price tag once things start breaking after warranty you can find parts for the old trucks pretty much in most backyards it's the complete opposite for the new ones
Right 👍
Had a 2004 f350 6.0 for years! 305k miles when I traded her in. Miss her so much. Now I drive 2014 LML duramax. Love her even more!
Lml???? how’s that motor holding up for hauling
@AdrianFlores-b6f solid. Deleted 2 years ago
@@dannyvseventeen hell yeah I’m looking into a dally to haul my 2 car trailer
Personally, I certainly can’t afford to trade in a $100k truck every 5 years. Anything I own must be easy to work on in my driveway. My old 7.3 Super Duty has been perfect for my needs
7.3 engine is the only old engine that’s worth buying. The rest are trash
As long as it has a/c and runs good like that one does. $98K is a lot to pay for a warranty that they can really just decide if they want to cover it or not depends on the cost of whatever breaks
Not to mention the recalls
He'll never pay 98k. He'll sell way before that. I do the same thing. Just bought a 24' Denali. I might pay 30k tops and she's out the door and someone will have my sloppy seconds
Also you will have to spend 3 hours at the dealership every other month to get your oil change,not because you need it. But because you have to prove you have your car it's maintainance otherwise they will refuse to do repair off that alone.
Just refreshed my 07 with new heads, lifters, push rods, new turbo, injectors, gaskets bottom up and she runs absolutely amazing.ill keep it any day over a 1400 month payment
How much did that cost ya??
Exactly. My mechanic is in the process of building me a Stage 1 6.0 Powerstroke all for $10k. I also invested in a Bulletproof Diesel oil cooler, BPD water pump, reman injectors, Edge monitor, SCT tuner, APR studs… so I’m in almost $15k but I’ll have a badass bulletproofed 6.0 for a fraction of the cost of a new truck. Forgot to mention paid about $8k for the truck so do the math but still a lot better than $80k plus for a new truck to me it makes more sense
Way better than having to take out a second mortgage for a six-figure truck
@@Natd0gsefyes because these trucks are only offered at 100k fully optioned. They by no means sell low or medium trim truck for less money...
@@GhostlyGhille even with the lower and or midtier options there still 60,000
The new trucks are beautiful. But as far as longevity and costs for repairs you’ll never ever beat that 06. I don’t see these new trucks going 20+ years like the 06 without major money being put into them. If you put 250,000 on one of these new trucks in a four year span I would think for that money it should do it, but mileage and time are two different animals.
I can’t believe people are buying $100,000 trucks🤣
R.I.P.😂
You would if you could
@@tyrellames9964 the hell I would, these new “trucks” are computers with wheels I’ll stick with my 88’ power ram it will be on the road long after these things have died.
I bought a '24 3500 AT4 early May and you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. I've had an '01, '06, and '11 Super Duty along with a '16 Ram. I've like each subsequent truck more than the previous. I enjoy the creature comforts, ride quality improvements, and increased power along with the drivability that comes with it. The increased payload capacities with the newer trucks has been nice to have as well.
I’d like to see how a older truck with similar power as new holds up against the new one. I will volunteer my truck lol
Im willing to bet they don't hold up as well. The new trucks strive for the most efficiency possible. The main reason old ones are so reliable is the lack of power. Like the 12 valve and the 7.3. a lot harder to break stuff at 200hp.
This is where my brain went as well. My ‘96 7.3 and my ‘06 6 leaker will blow the doors off of that stock 6 leaker.
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871There are shit tons of 7.3’s with big injectors, turbos, and Hpops making 350-500 reliable hp.
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871if done correctly an older diesel can reliably hold 500, or for the duramaxes case, about 450, you can make that with a tune easily. However people push their trucks to the max power and sit it at that, have a truck capable of making and handling 800 and only have it make 500 and you’ll be just as reliable if not better
@@boudrauxmnxsty6871 yet the new truck gets 9 mpg while towing lmao. sure its probably better than the old truck but that is far from efficient
Gotta be going over 10mph I believe for the trailer brakes on the 06 to work. I thought mine was broken and turned the gain all the way up. Got going down the road and nearly got a face full of steering wheel when I hit the brakes 😂
interesting what you said about being stranded on a road trip, because a warranty doesn't really do you any good if the new truck breaks. just means you can't work on it yourself and she's broken til you can get it to a dealer.
Nah, new trucks are beyond what they should be priced, I have a 2000 Excursion with the 7.3 powerstroke, newer trucks may be more powerful, but reliability doesn’t compare to mine lol, love my truck
I bought a '99 F350 SD, 4WD, crew cab, long bed, a Warn bumper & winch combo, but a V10...it was sitting for 2.5+ years, past owner died. Bought cheap, replaced a ton of mechanical "Consumable" parts (huge list), serviced everything, stripped it down (glass, bumper, trim, lights, door handles, weather stripping, everything), painted the entire truck, Line-X bed liner, replaced all 5 tires, re-did the headliner, replaced the 7" halogen driving lights with 300W LEDs', replaced the 3" halogen foglights with 3.5" amber LED's, installed a scanner, and put in a head unit with navigation. All-in, my total out-of-pocket? About $20K. It looks good, runs fantastic, and fits my needs- I wish it was a 7.3, but I really can't complain. This truck will be around for years to come, agree with you two 100%. Simple economics
Amazing how well those ford XL interiors hold up.
those year super duties are damn good built trucks
A overview episode of the 6.0 truck with JH recommendation on what to do to the 6.0 to keep it running and reliable. That would be great for anyone looking to purchase one of these. What to look for based on what you guys see at the shop.
I have a 2020 5500 duramax and my 2016 f350 tows circles around that thing.
Perfect Tests, really informative. Would love to see this test with an older duramax and 12 valve vs the 100k truck
Totally
I love my 2003 6.0, but I definitely spent more money fixing it than I did buying it. No way I would go to six figures for the little personal stuff I do- I might be a little jealous. Don't leave out the $10,000 old truck! performance is the same, but it makes a big difference when its nice and clean inside and out. I don't see that new truck making it 20-30 years with all the exhaust treatment stuff.
just left Ram looking at a cummings today. Is this a TRUCK channel or not? Yes we like this kinda content! Much love brother, and dont shine down that GMC or feel like u have to explain it to anyone. The hard work you have been putting in this year on this channel alone. Speaks as to why that truck is there, never mind all the hard work we dont see yall doing.
Theres no g in cummins
I would love to get my hands on a Ram or 2 and do a comparison!! Im gonna try!!
Cummings 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That there is like one of them powder strokes
89 Cummings for life
Ford guy here… that GMC is gorgeous! Amazed at the performance and how refined the new trucks are. But I still love my good ol’ 6.0. Keeping her forever.
That 100000 plus truck won't beat the longevity of the 7.3.
What about showing how well some minor upgrades to the ford will help overall in towing and braking performance .. Just a thought .. Hope all is well down in FL , coming from NC .. Thanks for all the awesome content guys !!
In my opinion, it’s only a matter of what your budget is. You can always upgrade brakes, add a tuner, fuel injectors, turbo, etc. So, with a few grand in upgrades, you can be well below $100K and have a reliable truck that performs well beyond the new trucks these days without the DEF and DPF, etc.
Bro the newer trucks make close to 1000ft torque and can tow close to 40k. Good luck getting that with a 6.0 along with reliability heated and air conditioning seats and all the other technology. Plus if you own a business it just looks better if your driving a newer truck vs a loud ass older diesel.
@@xaphan8581 First off, I wouldn’t drive. 6.0 Ford by choice. Secondly, You can easily get to 1,000 lb ft of torque with a programmer and maybe fuel injectors. You might need an upgraded turbo depending on which truck you have. However, I believe you can easily obtain the performance of a new truck for way less than $100K
@xaphan8581 I've got less than $10k into a 6.0 and it will dog walk that GMC, and it looks pretty damn nice, as a business owner you might look better with an old truck that looks really nice because it means you take pride and car anyone can go buy a new truck. Maybe they dus it because they trashed the old one in 2 years. But I know a guy who pulls up on a jobsite in a nice older truck takes pride in their shit.
@fiddynutz68 yeah your missing the point. Also spending 10k on a 6.0 sounds like a worthy investment lmao. I’m sure to take your words seriously
@poultryguy12able Actually, you can build a reliable Cummins by adding a built transmission, head studs, injectors, and an upgraded turbo for way less than $100k. And, yes I have seen new diesel trucks broken down. My son’s friend had a 2022 F250 Diesel that had less than 4K miles on it that broke down. He had it in the shop for repairs at least 4 times so far.
JH really stepping it up! Love having Justin on the channel full time!
My dad has a 1993 F-250, and it has a custom V8 Diesel turbocharged. He is currently rebuilding the entire truck since he got rammed in the rear end by a van that bent the frame. He had to replace the entire frame, and we are making good progress. We are about ready to put the cab back on, so we should be running in no time!
Did you say the trailer brakes on the Ford wasn't working?
The braking doesn't seem far.
when your wife asks you to justify a 100 grand purchase so you gotta run outside and shoot a real quick comparison video with a 17 year old parts truck.
LOL
It's interesting how the 6.0 was 1.1 second slower in the 1/4mi. But 9.2 seconds slower in the 60mph. I'm willing to bet the vgt actuator arm, unison ring, and vanes are worn making it slow to spool because it majorly came to life on the top end which is normal for a old vgt or reman turbo where they don't replace that stuff. Also did you disable trailer brakes on the gmc? If not since they didn't work on the 6.0 that could make a big change there.
Love the video great work!! My only question is on the braking how did the 6.0 stop that trailer in that short of time without having a trailer brake. That tells me that the gmc needs better brakes lol!! Just wondering if I missed something?
Yeah I noticed that too trailer brakes where broken as stated in the vid. And the 6.0 wasn't in tow/haul like the GMC was.
There's no comparison. I don't care for the 6.0 personally, but I'm about to drop $5,000 on an old square body F250 with a 7.3L Powerstroke and a manual transmission. My old 7.3 got stolen and trashed unfortunately. I know a guy with a Power Wagon that has a 5.9L Cummins and a standard. I'd like to see which trucks are still running post apocalypse just to confirm my suspicion, but to tell the truth I already know the answer :)
We love our 2002 F350 crew cab 4X4 SRW long bed. She was an XLT, originally but the interior is slated for an upgrade, she's black and mostly original appearing other than a level up kit, ranch hand, and some aftermarket wheels in the 16.5 flavor. That said, I can and do work on her. Parts are relatively cheap, and I can easily buy a new engine and trans for her. She is of course modified. Not to the point of being unreliable though, 1400EGT is real bad LOL. At about 400HP these days, Turbo and intake upgrade, EGR deleted, turbo back big pipe, cold air induction, swamps stage II double shot injectors, 7 position Hydra chip. She is plenty fast for a 7.3 and does well on fuel, dependent on the current tune. Yeah, we're running cameras front and rear, new paint and theft proofed to the max. My main concern is how bad they are to steal the earlier Fords. I mean I can jack one in about 30 seconds with no security measures. Mine was stolen a while back before I did all the modifications: alarm with kill, all mechanical door locks removed, outside and inside, electric only keyless entry with alarm remote, Lo-jack, and a club as a visual to go along with the alarm LED just to help deter. I did some serious rewiring to it under the dash as well, so hotwiring it would really be a rough day. The hood is also chained and locked shut. That said, if you have an early Ford, especially a nice one secure it up. And your guy is right about his 6.0 I get a lot of compliments on it, often people ask me if I would be willing to sell it. NOPE
I cannot see $100K price difference between the 2 trucks. I would personally take the old truck do a few mods to extract a bit of power, upgrade the brakes also and get a AAA membership incase it breaks down.
Love to know where you found a decent and running 6.0 PSD dually for that cheap
exactly! that's the real story
My 2015 Duramax has worked perfectly since brand new except the DEF/DPF system. I’ve been left on the side of the road 6 times because of emission systems.
What’s going on with it? I got a 2008 and it just has the DPF system. Those damn filters are not cheap either
@@FnaAuto It’s not exactly the filter it’s the sensor or sensors that keep going bad. Every year my truck stops working while going down the road. The next time it does that I’m deleting it cause it’s expensive to get it fixed.
I got a 11' with everything tuned out. Best thing for it.
@@geraldlake8978 planning on doing the same
I don't know about in the USA but in Canada warranty only covers once it's at the dealership. I had two hardlines blow on fuel rails, back to back. Still had to pay to get trailer towed both times, still had to pay to get truck towed both times. 2600 town bill first time and 3200 the next time. Both repair were under 600. Warranty isn't everything. Truck was completely stock. 2019 F550 at the time 98,000km on it.
Those 6.0 never last long but with a few modifications, they are pretty quick. Great video.
Throw tuner with good tune on it. Bet you the 6.0 performs very closely
Thats a hell of a lot of truck for $2000... Especially with that many miles on it
2,000$ for diesel truck is impossible to find
4,000$ gas is the min
more for diesel
yeah, no matter the condition, if it runs, $2000 is a steal, this one was worth 6-8K for sure
@@TheGamingChad.And no rust too. That truck would go for good money up here in upstate NY
I stopped by the local dealership and was shocked at the price. They have 3 2024 3500HD. In stock. All over 120k. $. Crazy nice trucks but wow
That’s called greed.
Imagine buying a truck you plan to put 500k miles on, but being too concerned to buy it with 50-100k miles already on the clock for a 60-70% savings.
I live in Canada with 1.89 a liter . I'll take a yaris thank you
The New truck has a ton of safety features built into it! The old truck is a work beast!
Bro doesn’t like being safe 💀💀💀
I'm still doing 1000 miles a month average with a thirty-year-old Ford IDI nothing about this truck bothers me it sure does seem to bother a lot of people let get behind me⛽️🇺🇸
Good truck
@@t.s.tractorworkstrickland5828 the engine has never been cracked open since 1993 it don't get any slower I think the new trucks get faster the new ones go so fast they're dangerous if you don't be careful
I wish I could find a diesel truck in Florida for 3k
Heres a real world scenario.
New truck: Someone farts in your DEF tank. Engine red lights and shuts off. Engine is perfectly fine but the lobbyists in DC have you by the balls
Old truck: B!tch I'm always here for you
They should have honestly used a 7.3 instead of a 6.0, yeah the 7.3 has less horsepower but those 6.0s are dogs..the turbo lag is so terrible. Ive owned both, still own my 03 7.3, the 6.0 used to leave me dead in the water pulling out in front of traffic, waiting for the boost to build up.
Great video! I’d like to see an mpg comparison from the two. Full emission controlled vs basic
Probably not that different. My 2002 7.3 F350 and my 97 7.3 F250HD both averaged 14mpg and my dads new 18 6.7 F350 gets 16-17mpg for being newer and Def,all that fun headache. Also my 5.4 gas got about 14-15 on a good day.
Squat test on a old n used suspension vs brand new? Little bit of a reach there haha
I’d be real curious to see what the 6.0 with a tow program would do.
Id rather spend 30k for a nice example of a 7.3 diesel ford from the early 90’s, looks great and will never break.
Let's not forget, you're paying $5600 to replace a tail light on a 2018 F150 limited.
Nice comparison but for less than half you can make the 6.0 perform as well and be more reliable. Something to be said about no dpf and def.
6.0 is not reliable its probably the worst engine known to man so thats probablu why its cheap
@@mysterysolver514youve apparently never met a 6.4 or any emissions equiped truck. 6.7 cummins injectors are 12k for a new set from dodge.
@@1hdoilfielddad244 6.4 is garbage as well ford really is a shit show. thing is with emissions you can delete and have a great engine
@@mysterysolver514 you really dont have a clue. fuel system problem in a cr truck is a 10k fix. injector fails your engine is trash. how much is a dodge or gm tranny?
Never touched my 6.0. Never had any problems with it. Studded and deleted it at 160k and added a sct tuner then. Replaced oil cooler and glow plugs at the same time and upgraded turbo then too. 225k on the clock now and still zero issues. Maybe it’s the operator driving them or mechanic wrenching on them that makes the ones you owned unreliable… Just saying
can’t help but root for the 6 blow 😂
I got a 7.3 Powerstroke for $4500 and I'm sure that truck will just keep going
Junk
I agree.
I got one for 2500. I have yet to find a deal I would've taken over it. I'll admit I lowballed the guy, but he accepted so I feel good about it.
A truck is a truck so just buy an old truck and just use it for towing or to carry multiple loads because at the end of the day, you don’t need all that unnecessary technology, all you need is a truck that can do everything for you so don’t waste all your money on a truck with a lot of complicated technology, just spend your money on a truck that is old and reliable
I would love it if you made a video comparing all new super duty and RAM dually trucks! 🙏🏻
You should make that old 6.0 a sleeper with a bigger turbo 😂
He blows them all up lol. We will see
Hey Justin-
I haul 10K lb roofing dump trailers with a 2006 f250 with a 6.0 for 6 days a week. (in the AZ heat, and have NEVER had it leave me stranded) One of our crew leaders has a 2022 Duramax 3500 dually, that he has not been able to use for 2 weeks in a row since new without a major breakdown. My truck has 330,000 miles on it, and the worst issue has been replacing brake pads twice. I change oil every 3K miles, and I don;t beat the tar out of it. I forgot, had to change batteries last year. Yes, he'd skunk me in a drag race, but his truck was $138,000... mine $4000. His $700/mo payments are not worth being a little quicker to 60mph (that is when it is driveable). I'll take the power snort all day long, and make a paycheck- while he depends on me to haul his shit around.
Truck payment easily double that
138k??? He must of bought a SEMA truck. Unless he put a shit ton of money down no way his payment 700.
As long as it's under the bumper to bumper warranty then it's worth a damn, anything beyond that good luck!! They find anyway they can to weasel out of doing anything.
I’ve always had good luck with the 5 year/100,000 Mile warranty on the duramax drivetrain
@@JHDieseland4X4 i think he meant that after the warranty expires, the repair bills on these new computers on 4 wheels will cost most than an entire 20 year old truck
@@JHDieseland4X4yes but you're JH 😉
Had the tranny on my 97 F350 Powerstroke rebuilt two years ago by a reputable shop. When I picked it up, we discussed new trucks. He said they were garbage and were failing regularly. I couldn't imagine owning one once the warranty expires.
Definitely can't find a older super duty for a 2k now days... everyone wants arm and leg for high mileage trucks
They are 10-30k where I live. Still a few cream puffs around but getting harder to find
Alot of the speed advantage comes from the new 10spd transmissions making the engines more efficient. As far as the squat once loaded, we're talking worn springs over new springs. My 07 F250 4x4 has little to no squat with a loaded 20ft car trailer. I wanted a new truck but I can't justify the price of a newer truck when my 07 does everything I need it to and throw at it its just not as pretty
I would like to see what it would take to make a $2,000 truck and make it somewhat comparable to a $100,000 truck.
Bout 20,000$
Wow! The cheapest dully of this age I can find in my area is $20K. I would love to find a $2K pickup to fix for a few thousand.
They dont exist.. all these channels are frauds.. no one will part with a dually as long as its running. And they rather leave it to rot in a field than waste time selling it for 2k
I sold my 2004 F150 8 years ago for $12,000. Bought a 97 F350 Powerstroke for $3000, a 58 John Deere Bulldozer, a 10 ton trailer and still had $1000 for tires and brakes. A truck is a tool - Period.
No such thing as a 2k diesel
I bought a 2006 6.0 LS3 chevy 4wd with a plow for $800 and a 2002 ford f450 7.3 diesel for $2000 both needed brakes and beds which i just put Wood flatbeds since i got a mill. Together they cost about $3700.
Preach.
@@MJ_Landscapesfrom where? Facebook marketplace or something. Shit man I work on tractor diesel motors and want a used diesel pickup but can’t find a good place to buy them. Everything is so expensive.
@@F34R_ sometimes Marketplace but i also know how to get people to sell for a low price
A lil glow plug, a lil turbo , a lil ball joints, tie rod, shocks, egr, trans, oil changes, good ducking luck
I have had newer trucks I am back in a 04 6.0l and to be honest I love it, no monthly payment being able to work on it, parts are cheaper. If you get a loaded truck in that year 05-07 they are still nice and have heated seats you can get a nice radio and back up camera for 5-600. The new ones a defiantly more capable but really are they 85k more capable. One other thing to mention is that technically with the new trucks being so much more capable depending on truck/trailer combo you need a cdl. For me the old truck works but I like turning a wrench here you guys said it perfect, if you got the coin too blow it will give your business a good look pulling up but if things slow down especially with the economy being how it is you have that payment as over head. Regardless theses truck prices are insane used or new
I just came across your video and it is so cool to see the shop I trust to work on my truck on RUclips. I really like the comparison. I have a 2004 foot-350 dually with the 6.0 built with every upgrade I could stuff under the hood and still am not even close to the price of a new one. I do not make a living with mine but I do need to haul rock and logs in the mountains from time to time when I travel to Tennessee so would I like the power and reliability of a new GMC, sure but I would not want to truck payment. I’ll keep my old 6.0 and keep it repaired and maintained. Thanks for the video it did answer the main questions. If anyone has read this far please know, I work on my truck and do nearly all the repairs when needed. But when I do need service, these guys are the only people I trust to work on my 6.0.
Where TF are these $2k diesels being sold?
Marketplace all day.
Any online car marketplace like Autotrader for example.
Fr
Autotrader I seen some, obviously need work but still drivable according to seller
Around here it’s used truck 300k miles, 2 accidents, bent frame. $20k O.B.O don’t lowball I know what I have.
A overpriced POS that’s what you have smh