I know this is pedantic lol, but I wanted to give the correct quote. It's "Lucy is a performer forced to fight, and Katniss is a fighter forced to perform".
I'm glad you guys didn't fall into the "Snow was a good dude until Lucy Gray left him" camp. He's an annoying kid from the beginning and he becomes a murderer. She almost helped him become a decent person but he couldn't trust her.
The books make it quite obvious that he's a manipulator and a selfish bastard from the beginning. He even interprets everything his friend does as a way of getting one over him because he can't believe that anyone would be purposefully kind to people and want to help them.
thank you for not going “lucy grey is the reason snow went bad”. snow was always bad, lucy was just the one that made him snap. it’s not the winds fault when a storm knocks a tree over, if the tree was weak then it’s only a matter of time before the tree can no longer keep its self rooted. some trees can withstand hurricane winds, others aren’t as well suited.
It is much more apparent in the book though, because as readers we know what/how he thinks. In the movie, viewers only have his actions to go off, which seem to be decent for the most part.
@51:22 fun fact: in the books, it's speculated that they started picking up the bodies after one of the competitors began cannibalizing the bodies during a Hunger Games
i'm pretty sure they started removing the bodies well before then, titus just got to the bodies SO fast during his games that they had to stun him to retrieve them first
@@cerysbuellersday0ffno this is true, they used to leave the dead bodies in the arena but after a particularly long game where starving tributes began eating the corpses that they started to remove them.
@dovemakes and also dandelions actually have amazing heart health benefits! The yellow flower ones, the green leaves, if u put those in a salad, they're really good and they're legit one of the best things for your heart, even more so than meds
What's so interesting about the prequel is that Snow was 18 there. He became president at the age of 23. It was 5 years after he end of The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. He didn't do that to Tigris entirely, his influence did but he didn't order it. Tigris did the body mods to herself to make her seem more like an untamed wild animal in defiance to her cousin. In the books, it shows just how selfish, paranoid and controlling he is because the books are in his POV so we get to hear his thoughts and feelings. In the books, it also tells us that after he grew with power he removed/erased anything having to do with Lucy Gray and the 10th Hunger Game. He wanted her history and influence completely erased like she never existed, hence why in the Hunger games Katniss is the only female winner from 12. What's hilarious is that he grew up hating 12 and anything to do with it. Almost 64 years later, here comes another little girl from the same district as his ex, defying him like his ex did and overthrowing everything he worked hard for. A lot of what he experienced here played later on. In Catching Fire, The idea of Katniss and Finnick getting tortured by the jabberjays came from the prequel. Snow hearing Sejanus screams sounding out repetitively by the Jabberjays was so traumatizing for him that now he turn it into a torture weapon. Just wanted to share a few things. I glad you guys enjoyed this, there will be a new book & movie coming out in 2025 about Haymitch's backstory which will be exciting because Haymitch survived the 2nd Quarter Quell/the 50th Hunger Games. I look forward to seeing more from you guys!! 💚💚
The reaper made me sob when he put the bodies together & flag on top to send a message, reminded me a lot of katniss with rue "they painted him as aggressive, y'all made him that way" EXACTLY Yalls reaction to snow recording their convo was me even though we all know the type of person snow is, I just wanted to believe he wasnt always that way Billy thinks he's THAT guy... 😬 It's so simple but the " you hear that? It's snow falling" or "snow lands on top" are just sooooo good. I heard they are in the makes of another hunger games movie (haymitches) his was pretty crazy!
I loooove the scene with Reaper. Honestly, I wish they had made this two movies just because I would have loved to see more of the tributes, especially Reaper and Lamina. Would have been great to explore some of these tributes more to make their deaths hurt even more, similarly to how we got attached to Rue. And Reaper and Lamina were the most interesting to me outside of Lucy Gray. If I'm not mistaken, they even strike up some sort of alliance in the book.
lucy didn't become famous in 12 just after the hunger games, she was already an established singer and performer in the seam before going into the games snow banned music when he took power after seeing how powerful it could be. we see the power of music on people in the hospital scene, in the scene where they make dr. gaul take lucy out of the games, music is used to send messages between rebels, and then we even see the peacekeepers and the people of 12 (briefly) get along while enjoying music. snow realized how important and powerful music was, so that's why there's no music in the og hunger games series, snow made sure of it any and all music reminded him of lucy gray and how powerful she was and katniss knowing the old songs is already a sign of rebellion and the "old days" (popular theory is that maude ivory, the blonde singer girl, is katniss' grandma) this is also why snow is PISSED when katniss sings for rue in the first hunger games. she was so objectively defiant without even trying, and music got the people on her side
So glad you guys watched this! I read the book when it came out and you guys are so right in saying he never was good. His inner monologue the entire book was extremely narcissist and possessive over Lucy Gray. When he was crying after Sejanus was hung he was not feeling guilty, he was thinking they were gonna come for HIM next. He is an asshole through and through!
Lucy said without trust, Snow might as well be dead to her…she knew he was lying about the 3rd person. Gave him a chance to come clean and he still lied…he lost her trust, so he lost her. Lucy was smarter than most realized. Fun fact: Not sure if it was ever stated in the original movies, but in the books it mentioned a few times that there was a District 12 female winner once, but sue was never seen again..Lucy pulled the ultimate Houdini
I also told myself “I hope this isn’t a musical!”. The child with Down Syndrome named Wovey Hevensbee maybe an ancestor to Plutarch Heavensbee (Head Game-maker to Katniss). I’d like to think that’s why he joined the rebel cause. Great reaction.
10:10 The funny part is that - it isn't extremely clear which one of them is the Songbird and which one is the Snake. As story progresses, we can see who is singing little pretty lies. 11:20 Roses are edible. The rose marmalade/jam is exquisite, especially inside a powdered donut. The darker variants are more flavourful, though - so she probably didn't get a lot of fun from this. 12:35 Fun fact - this is Wrocław's (Poland) Zoo. The arena they use in this movie is also based on Centenary Hall in that city. Both locations are right next to each other, so you can visit those on a same trip. Which is ironic how well that has worked (the book arena is also extremely similarly described, so either Collins visited it before or it's a giant coincidence). A lot of filming was done in Poland for this movie (and the rest mostly has been done in Germany, especially the Capitol scenes), which I feel like adds a lot of cool aura to it that you probably wouldn't get, if it was done in US or in a studio. The arena specifically - Centenary Hall was made between 1911-1913 and is a huge arena that still has a lot of cool events happening there, from basketball matches to opera. Or in this case - a place for 24 tributes to fight to death (or die to vats of rainbow coloured snakes). 14:55 Mind you - in books this is one of the few Hunger Games that Katniss can't find a recording of. Also next year is when the Mags (old woman from the second, the one who was in district with Finnick) won - keep in mind the shark monsters at the end of the movie... Also as Snow got more in power - more ideas were added, like the whole winner tour. Lucy Gray really got herself the short stick. 15:50 This is futuristic USA that flopped after unknown war. Look at your politics now, there are bad people of all looks and abilities. 16:20 Mind you this is how world always worked, until Germans and colonial powers, really changed the rules. The segregation was more nuanced - more nationality and ethnicity based, sometimes based just on religion or language or monetary status (which you can see to this day in countries not based on colonialism like majority of central, eastern and southern Europe and half of Asia and some countries in Africa). Even during colonial times, the situation of black people didnt necessarily stem from their appearance - but it was a consequence of western countries taking control of the Africa. And then that created the stereotypes and further image that shifted into modern discrimination. Specifically German's pseudoscience on nonexistent races, which then got further twisted by "American Dream" (originally a lot more "white" people were considered second rate people, even in US - it's just more recent discrepancies and simplifications to just basic characteristics like eye shape or skin colour - that gave form to modern discrimination). 45:45 Jessup was also a good kid, who cared for Lucy (he literally got sick because of that) - this is what he would have wanted, if he wasn't already far gone.
Found your channel a while ago because of your Hunger games reactions. For any question you ever had, the books answer every question and explain some more. A new book will be released in the new year in march, and a movie has been announced for it. My favourite franchise is Hungergames ♡ Take care yall
Just finished blazing 💨 Looking forward to this, also, all of the movies are book accurate for the most part, but BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES misses a lot of stuff from the book, my biggest pet peeve is them changing how the 10th hungergames went, it played out very differently in the book and it didn't end when the snakes came into the arena, Lucy gray even uses one of the snakes to kill someone, also in the books Lucy gray accidentally poisons Wovey, instead of Dill so I recommend all hungergames lovers to read the books!
Also yes district twelve is where appalachia would be, so Katniss, Peeta, Haymitch and everyone else in district 12 would've sounded southeren like Lucy Gray Baird.
Yes! I also disliked how the first movie left out the sorta humanising moment of Cato when Clove died. And how glimmers dress during the interviews was see through; if Glimmer had won she’d have become like Finnick and get s3x trafficked by the capital. Also peetas leg being amputated, and what happened in Haymitch’s games/ why he’s an alcoholic (although apparently he’s getting his own book & movie, I just hope they cast it well).
In the end, Snow may have had some sympathetic and humanizing moments shown throughout the film. Ultimately, though he was the film's main protagonist, he was and always will be the villain of the story. ❄
francis lawrence, who directed the hunger games movies, said that he immediately knew he wanted rachel to play lucy gray. rachel (lucy gray) made her acting debut as maria in west side story when she was 17 and is now the main character in a broadway play. she also sang all the songs for this movie live while filming & actually took lessons to get lucy grays appalchian accent right. in the book of this movie we get a lot more insight of how ruthless snow really is in such young age. we also get an insight that snow basically erased the 10th hunger games from existence bc of lucy gray. there is also a theory that maude ivory (lucy grays cousin) is katniss grandmother, hence katniss knowing the songs (like hanging tree) in the book lucy gray also sings „deep in the meadow“ to maude ivory, which is the same song katniss sang to rue in the first hunger games movie. if i remember correctly, the snake that bit corio at the end was confirmed to be not poisonous, which would confirm the theory of her wanting to test if he would proof her right about losing control and going after her and he did. the end of the movie is supposed to be a never answered question. if you listen to „the ballad of lucy gray“ you’ll understand better
45:55 yes, it has a side effect of causing hydrophobic tendencies. not really to the point where you’d jump off a cliff to not get wet, but it does cause hydrophobia!
Snow thought Sejanus would get a slap on the wrist for the recording because his father could bribe people to get his son out of it, and then Dr. Gaul would like Snow's gumption on sending the recording to her and bring him back to the Capital
Yes!!! On the ridiculously tiny chips no 1 mentioned it if you listen you can actually see the scene that the hanging tree is about, the song! When they just arrived there For the 1st time in district 12 we see a man about to be hung and executed they're reading out his crimes the fact that he was alleged to have killed 3 people and a woman in the crowd screams out that he's innocent and he yelled to her to run to run which is exactly what he happens at the song... We also didn't get to see the following day Lucy gray in the field Writing the lyrics for what would eventually become the song katniss uses to help spur a revolution
If Highbottom hadn't treated Coryo like that vs tried to teach him a better way, would things be differently? At least from the film I get "I have so much guilt about the games being created.... but I'm only going to try to stop them in ways that won't threaten my own life".
And just to add this “story” is told by Coriolanus point of view, so we as the viewers don’t even know if this is the truth bc Coriolanus is an unreliable narrator 🤷🏾♀️
So glad y’all watched this. I died laughing the whole time. I love the parallels between the first hunger games, and how they were in the sequel. Great reaction as always.❤❤
I was today years old when I realized that the guy that had beef with Snow's dad wasn't just taking it out on Snow for pettiness but also to prevent him from going to college and becoming his dad...
45:25 YES rabies is referred to as hydrophobia ("fear of water"). this is predominantly because of its symptoms in the later stages of an infection in which the infected person has difficulty swallowing, shows panic when presented with liquids to drink, and cannot quench their thirst. Also rabies is a death sentence, the disease causes death (once infection is established) and there is no cure. (although there is a series of shots you can take once you've been exposed to rabies to prevent the infection from taking hold). I believe that's part of Snow's hidden plea to the girl to kill the guy off coz he is gonna die anyway, and in the book he and the girl had worked together to make a name and keep sponsors coming in for district 12's tributes. so asking her to continue doing the favour even now to keep at least one of their tributes alive (so they can share the fame or name that comes with a winning tribute) instead of wasting Lucy's life for a guy thats about to die.
I’ve been looking for a comment on this, but Snow has beef with Billy Taupe because he’s partially the reason why she got reaped for the hunger games in the first place. They didn’t explain it super well, but the mayors daughter fixed the reaping so Lucy Gray would get killed in the games and she could have Billy all to herself. Hence the “sing your way out of this one Lucy Gray.” If you listen to the lyrics during her performance with the guitar right before the games, she explains the situation. ALSO Lucy wrote the hanging tree song about that situation where the jabberjays were screaming that guys last words. There’s a line where she says “Are you coming to the tree where dead men called out for his love to flee.” They depicted that in that scene. He was screaming for her to run. Even bigger reason why that song and Katniss would’ve haunted Snow in the future. Because people didn’t know that song like that, I’d imagine only the Covey did.
I don't think Snow meant for Sejanus to get executed. He assumed his dad would buy him out of the situation. Explains reason for Snow crying because it wasn't his intention.
Guys, i JUST finished your mockingjay part 2 this morning and thought "i hope they watch a ballad of songbirds and snakes, but they probably won't watch it because it's about Snow." And here I am, coming inside from smoking a bowl and I SEE THIS!
I know people get mad at Coryo for snitching on Sejanus but I would have told on his dumba$$ too. He is willingly putting Snow's life on the line on the dumbest plan possible simply because he knows he can fall on his parents money. Sejanus is a spoiled brat who thinks he's being helpful when most of the time he is just making things worse.
I’d been waiting for this reaction video since the Mockingjay Part 2 one dropped… and it did not disappoint. I’m glad y’all saw through Snow from the beginning; so many people felt some sympathy for him at the beginning. I hope y’all will do a reaction video when Sunrise of the Reaping comes out… but not until 2026. That one will be Haymitch’s story.
a couple things to note. ill just type them out as i watch. you noticed how lucy kept on refering to the guards as boys...its coz of her relationship with and service to them (with her singing as youll observe later on with Snow in d district), so there is a kind of respect they have for her.
Theres a theory me and others who watched this have that i think honestly might be true. We never see Lucy Gray again. Snow becomes president and wipes the record of Lucy Gray’s hunger games, which is why everyone thinks Haymitch is the first winner from 12. So where did Lucy Gray go? Well, theres a theory that Lucy Gray ended up running to 13 and discovering it as it was just beginning to be built. Theres a theory that Lucy Gray is President Coins mother, and Lucy Gray died or took on a different name before Coin became the leader of the revolution. Thats why Coin hated Snow so bad, not just because of what he was doing to the districts, but also because of what her mom, Lucy Gray, told her he did to her. Now, Coin immediately realized why Snow hated Katniss, because Coin too believed Katniss to be just like her mother. That builds so much upon why coin wanted Snow dead so badly and we she wanted Katniss to be the one to do it. Because she wanted Snow to pay for what he did to her mother by having him die by the one person who reminds him of her. I personally believe this theory because if you look it up theres more in depth explanations, and because it really add to why Coin became what she did and how her anger toward Snow, on her mothers behalf, was the reason she became such a bad person and why Katniss killed her. She was obsessed with revenge and it got her killed.
You boys might not be super familiar with it but there are a lot of species of flowers that are edible and if that's all you have in the area to eat they might have that as a major food source cuz this girly is not a hunter like katniss and it was probably a joke about the dandelions but actually they are a type of flower that's very edible wildflower I've seen videos on RUclips of this little Asian girl who who calls everybody my love and she basically made a better and pan-fried a bunch of them
Venomous means it bites you and you die poisonous means you bite it and you die injection versus ingestion that can be very very important in The hunger games
I know you guys didn't confuse Autism with Down Syndrome!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 I just love watching your videos, learning English with you guys is so fun, I can't get enough of "golly" 🤌🏻 The movie version paints a way more sympathetic portrait of Snow, in the book he is absolutely disgusted by anything or anyone "district" including Sejanus believing they're all "savages". Even Lucy Gray is not "district" in his mind because she's Covey. He is hateful through and through in the book, we miss that part in the movie because it's mostly inner monologue but this man gets mad at BUGS in the meadow, he could NEVER not live in the Capitol. Also fun popular theory, Katniss's father was known for his incredible singing voice (even the birds would fall silent and listen to him), so he may be related to the Covey! Every copy of the 10th Hunger Games was destroyed, so no one is supposed to remember Lucy Gray by Katniss's Games, but as we see, her songs were still passed on in 12. Imagine the look on Snow's face watching the "runt girl" from district 12 singing Lucy Gray's songs and making them anthems of the Rebellion 🤭 anyways thanks for the great content as always!!
Wove being in this is still one of my favourite things. Putting a little girl with Down Syndrome into a gladiator death match is just nasty. And I really think they handled her character well - her (and the other kids) disability weren't played up but left to be subtler tells of both the state of life in the districts as well as the mentality of the capitol.
@@oq1106 I agree and I think the actress that plays Wovey was phenomenal in her heart breaking delivery of "can we go home now?" I know it's impossible to translate everything to screen but I wish they made us more sympathetic towards all the other tributes though :/
the thing with lucy as ive seen other people's comments is that, we dont know if she died or not. and thats one of the things i presume torments SNOW cos he ALWAYS removes "loose ends" thats why he killed Dean Casca and thats what he would do to remain president for that long.
Lucky flickerem the game host is the ancestor of Ceaser flickermen host of Katniss games Also the lake they swam in is the lake Katniss and Prim learned to swim and the meadow with the tree is the same one at the end of the hunger games here she and petaa were with their kids
actually lucretius "lucky' flickerman and the host in the original hunger games movies, ceaser flickerman, are related lol. thats why it seems like hes a "refernce" to him.
Would highly recommend reading the book cuz the game was much different than what they did in the movie (i.e. how the tributes died & the order of their deaths besides brandy & marcus)
also not saying SNOW is innocent in any way BUT He sent that bird because he thought that Sejanus's dad may buy the boy's way out again. ( im glad u guys got it on the head with this comment "he only thinks of himself and his own good" he is quite narcisstic, selfish and PROUDDDDD) and if you read the books, you'll see how immoral he reasons. anyways that's on top of the fact that he never liked Sejanus, hated him, his family and how his family (a district family) became rich whilst Snow's lost everything from the war. Bro kept his enemy closer.
The Lavina girl that's too high, its coz thats her skill if i recall correctly from the books. her district in good with some sort of climbing and that's why she climbed easily (u noted that the holes on the pillar were perfect for her feet, na its just supposed to be her ability). was a bit dissapointed with the pillar coz from d books, my perception of the pillar was a lot more complex and a lot more taller in length.
Addison the word you're looking for when somebody has the one eye of a different color than the other that is a heterochromia apparently a lot of actors have it but it's kind of subtle so it's not super noticeable like the shade of brown or blue or green or whatever but in some people it's a completely different color on the other side like one side is Brown and the other is blue or you know blue and green or green and brown something like that it's much more common in pets than in people like for instance in Huskies it's very very common for them to have at least one blue eye the other one might be blue it might be brown but it's uncommon and other breeds but in cats it's typically like no Brown it's typically blue and one eye Green in the other
Yeah, it's funny when they say 'back then' because this is not the past, it's still the future, they just use retro aesthetics which I guess makes sense to go back to old vibes when you're rebuilding a society
Theory that you can find on super Carlin Brothers there's actually several theories about who Lucy Baird is related to in the modern hunger games there are some people who think she grew up to be coin I don't buy that for a second there are other people who think she might have been the paternal grandmother of katniss I prefer the theory that her covey member maude Ivory was katniss's grandmother
Perhaps not likeable by the end, but understandable. Please watch Attack on Titan for a similar us v them thoughtful story. In SUB please 😅 no matter what anyone says it's very well done & overall most reactors miss a lot not listening in their native language. Plus subtitles can "spoil" important moments a few seconds ahead when for those that watched it live week to week we had to stop & dark "WHAT? WHAT DID WE HEAR?" or worse THEY MISSED IT because it was so quick - but that's what makes it just a great show, the amount of info either slowly given or suddenly massively dumped on you.
Oh honey you guys are not prepared for what the games used to be and the fact that snow was the one who made them really what they are now and I have news if you haven't already heard there is another book coming out in between this prequel and the original series it's going to be when haymitch won you boys have no idea what you're in for I would recommend having the tissue box on hand but considering you already watched it I just hope you guys probably paused and went to get tissues
Bro people saying things about the singing, it's fu, like, katniss mom fall in love with katniss dad because of his singing, katniss sings too though, birds have a really important part in the story, and what does a Bird do? And games are TV show, what better way to entertain and make ppl like you than singing
As a both a sista and a sister in Christ, I am saddened and ashamed of your reaction to the black female character's natural hair. You made fun of her. Her silver fro was beautiful. How can you make fun of our hair when that is the way God made us. Y'all need to be careful of your tongues and how you think on the inside. You need to search your hearts. There was never the jokes for the Naath light skinned young lady on GOT. I doubt you will respond. I am disappointed. Do better. I watch your content and I sub. I am reconsidering. I doubt you will reply. I hope you do
yeah but I figure that's a different problem. And given all the fun performances in this (I really, really love Gall, Dinklage is doing good too), I wouldn't let the snow white thing influence my opinion on this movie. Which I feel like get a little underrated because of the part 3 pacing.
Problematic, because she said the romance wasn’t going to be the main plot line and that it’s an outdated movie (which it is), or because she was scared of the movie as a kid? The double standards y’all have is crazy, because no one cares that Harrison ford hates Star Wars, or twilight guy hates twilight. Rachel was speaking facts imo.
@@totalknightmare yeah exactly! People find it funny when it comes to them literally hating franchises that made them more successful, but Rachel saying something that’s actually very tame is an issue.
I sat down, BLUNT IN HAND, said to myself, “I got nothing to watch tonight.” Refreshed it once, HERE IT ISSSSS!!!!
Gotta dislike those "nothing to watch" days. If you haven't seen it yet, watch "From" it's good. It's a tv series.
@@natasha73176 everybody has been recommending this show. Is it scary or suspenseful?
I caught a random stray from this mann.... because why are we doing the SAME EXACT thing 😂
Almost the same here! I made my dinner and sat down to eat thinking "I really wish I had a good reaction video to watch right now" and there it was 😂
rachel ziegler said “katniss was a survivor forced to perform, lucy grey is a performer forced to survive.” and i love that. it’s incredibly true
I love that! When Rachel said that, it totally clicked and made sense
I know this is pedantic lol, but I wanted to give the correct quote. It's "Lucy is a performer forced to fight, and Katniss is a fighter forced to perform".
@@lunacouer i am nothing if not dyslexic so that tracks 😂
@lunacouer that's it! I knew it wasn't quite right but I started questioning myself
@ no it’s just a me problem 😂 i didn’t have the exact quote in front of me just off the top of my head!
I'm glad you guys didn't fall into the "Snow was a good dude until Lucy Gray left him" camp. He's an annoying kid from the beginning and he becomes a murderer. She almost helped him become a decent person but he couldn't trust her.
The books make it quite obvious that he's a manipulator and a selfish bastard from the beginning. He even interprets everything his friend does as a way of getting one over him because he can't believe that anyone would be purposefully kind to people and want to help them.
thank you for not going “lucy grey is the reason snow went bad”. snow was always bad, lucy was just the one that made him snap. it’s not the winds fault when a storm knocks a tree over, if the tree was weak then it’s only a matter of time before the tree can no longer keep its self rooted. some trees can withstand hurricane winds, others aren’t as well suited.
This is way too beautiful for a RUclips comment. 😂
@ apparently i was feeling very poetic 😂
It is much more apparent in the book though, because as readers we know what/how he thinks. In the movie, viewers only have his actions to go off, which seem to be decent for the most part.
Not u spitting bars
@51:22 fun fact: in the books, it's speculated that they started picking up the bodies after one of the competitors began cannibalizing the bodies during a Hunger Games
i'm pretty sure they started removing the bodies well before then, titus just got to the bodies SO fast during his games that they had to stun him to retrieve them first
@@cerysbuellersday0ffno this is true, they used to leave the dead bodies in the arena but after a particularly long game where starving tributes began eating the corpses that they started to remove them.
"Eating roses, what did she feed you dandelions too?" Well, yes! That's a huge recurring symbol in the books lol
@dovemakes and also dandelions actually have amazing heart health benefits! The yellow flower ones, the green leaves, if u put those in a salad, they're really good and they're legit one of the best things for your heart, even more so than meds
What's so interesting about the prequel is that Snow was 18 there. He became president at the age of 23. It was 5 years after he end of The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. He didn't do that to Tigris entirely, his influence did but he didn't order it. Tigris did the body mods to herself to make her seem more like an untamed wild animal in defiance to her cousin. In the books, it shows just how selfish, paranoid and controlling he is because the books are in his POV so we get to hear his thoughts and feelings. In the books, it also tells us that after he grew with power he removed/erased anything having to do with Lucy Gray and the 10th Hunger Game. He wanted her history and influence completely erased like she never existed, hence why in the Hunger games Katniss is the only female winner from 12.
What's hilarious is that he grew up hating 12 and anything to do with it. Almost 64 years later, here comes another little girl from the same district as his ex, defying him like his ex did and overthrowing everything he worked hard for. A lot of what he experienced here played later on. In Catching Fire, The idea of Katniss and Finnick getting tortured by the jabberjays came from the prequel. Snow hearing Sejanus screams sounding out repetitively by the Jabberjays was so traumatizing for him that now he turn it into a torture weapon.
Just wanted to share a few things. I glad you guys enjoyed this, there will be a new book & movie coming out in 2025 about Haymitch's backstory which will be exciting because Haymitch survived the 2nd Quarter Quell/the 50th Hunger Games. I look forward to seeing more from you guys!! 💚💚
The rebel battle song being the song his old girl created I know Snow was going crazy when heard them sing it.
The reaper made me sob when he put the bodies together & flag on top to send a message, reminded me a lot of katniss with rue
"they painted him as aggressive, y'all made him that way" EXACTLY
Yalls reaction to snow recording their convo was me even though we all know the type of person snow is, I just wanted to believe he wasnt always that way
Billy thinks he's THAT guy... 😬
It's so simple but the " you hear that? It's snow falling" or "snow lands on top" are just sooooo good.
I heard they are in the makes of another hunger games movie (haymitches) his was pretty crazy!
I loooove the scene with Reaper. Honestly, I wish they had made this two movies just because I would have loved to see more of the tributes, especially Reaper and Lamina. Would have been great to explore some of these tributes more to make their deaths hurt even more, similarly to how we got attached to Rue. And Reaper and Lamina were the most interesting to me outside of Lucy Gray. If I'm not mistaken, they even strike up some sort of alliance in the book.
That got me too. I remember I cried at that part in theaters. I didn't expect the movie to move me this way. Such a beautiful and heartfelt scene.
lucy didn't become famous in 12 just after the hunger games, she was already an established singer and performer in the seam before going into the games
snow banned music when he took power after seeing how powerful it could be. we see the power of music on people in the hospital scene, in the scene where they make dr. gaul take lucy out of the games, music is used to send messages between rebels, and then we even see the peacekeepers and the people of 12 (briefly) get along while enjoying music.
snow realized how important and powerful music was, so that's why there's no music in the og hunger games series, snow made sure of it
any and all music reminded him of lucy gray and how powerful she was
and katniss knowing the old songs is already a sign of rebellion and the "old days" (popular theory is that maude ivory, the blonde singer girl, is katniss' grandma)
this is also why snow is PISSED when katniss sings for rue in the first hunger games. she was so objectively defiant without even trying, and music got the people on her side
lmao "like using the chandelier to cover your ears" bro I'm weak!!!
So glad you guys watched this! I read the book when it came out and you guys are so right in saying he never was good. His inner monologue the entire book was extremely narcissist and possessive over Lucy Gray. When he was crying after Sejanus was hung he was not feeling guilty, he was thinking they were gonna come for HIM next. He is an asshole through and through!
I wouldn't have cried over Sejanus either. He was dumb through and through
the lead female is an artist/actor outside of this movie. She's been on broadway and she's playing Snow White in the upcoming live action
Lucy said without trust, Snow might as well be dead to her…she knew he was lying about the 3rd person. Gave him a chance to come clean and he still lied…he lost her trust, so he lost her. Lucy was smarter than most realized.
Fun fact: Not sure if it was ever stated in the original movies, but in the books it mentioned a few times that there was a District 12 female winner once, but sue was never seen again..Lucy pulled the ultimate Houdini
I saw this somewhere and it makes so much sense
Katniss was a fighter forced to perform and Lucy was a performer forced to fight
I also told myself “I hope this isn’t a musical!”. The child with Down Syndrome named Wovey Hevensbee maybe an ancestor to Plutarch Heavensbee (Head Game-maker to Katniss). I’d like to think that’s why he joined the rebel cause. Great reaction.
Lol Wovey isn't a Heavensbee wdym what is this headcanon 😂😂
one of the student's was a Heavensbee, not Wovey
10:10 The funny part is that - it isn't extremely clear which one of them is the Songbird and which one is the Snake. As story progresses, we can see who is singing little pretty lies.
11:20 Roses are edible. The rose marmalade/jam is exquisite, especially inside a powdered donut. The darker variants are more flavourful, though - so she probably didn't get a lot of fun from this.
12:35 Fun fact - this is Wrocław's (Poland) Zoo. The arena they use in this movie is also based on Centenary Hall in that city. Both locations are right next to each other, so you can visit those on a same trip. Which is ironic how well that has worked (the book arena is also extremely similarly described, so either Collins visited it before or it's a giant coincidence).
A lot of filming was done in Poland for this movie (and the rest mostly has been done in Germany, especially the Capitol scenes), which I feel like adds a lot of cool aura to it that you probably wouldn't get, if it was done in US or in a studio.
The arena specifically - Centenary Hall was made between 1911-1913 and is a huge arena that still has a lot of cool events happening there, from basketball matches to opera. Or in this case - a place for 24 tributes to fight to death (or die to vats of rainbow coloured snakes).
14:55 Mind you - in books this is one of the few Hunger Games that Katniss can't find a recording of. Also next year is when the Mags (old woman from the second, the one who was in district with Finnick) won - keep in mind the shark monsters at the end of the movie... Also as Snow got more in power - more ideas were added, like the whole winner tour. Lucy Gray really got herself the short stick.
15:50 This is futuristic USA that flopped after unknown war. Look at your politics now, there are bad people of all looks and abilities.
16:20 Mind you this is how world always worked, until Germans and colonial powers, really changed the rules. The segregation was more nuanced - more nationality and ethnicity based, sometimes based just on religion or language or monetary status (which you can see to this day in countries not based on colonialism like majority of central, eastern and southern Europe and half of Asia and some countries in Africa).
Even during colonial times, the situation of black people didnt necessarily stem from their appearance - but it was a consequence of western countries taking control of the Africa. And then that created the stereotypes and further image that shifted into modern discrimination. Specifically German's pseudoscience on nonexistent races, which then got further twisted by "American Dream" (originally a lot more "white" people were considered second rate people, even in US - it's just more recent discrepancies and simplifications to just basic characteristics like eye shape or skin colour - that gave form to modern discrimination).
45:45 Jessup was also a good kid, who cared for Lucy (he literally got sick because of that) - this is what he would have wanted, if he wasn't already far gone.
12:41 "This brother had a hood name, a Willy Wonka name... and a onlyfans name!" 😂😂😂
Which is which tho?
Lucky the hood name, Lucretius willy wonka (cuz what kinda name LOL) and Flickerman is OF (for obvious reasons LMAO)
@reveluv11 Lucretius is ancient Roman but lol
i’m so happy rn u don’t understand how much i’ve wanted this 🥳🥳🥳
Found your channel a while ago because of your Hunger games reactions. For any question you ever had, the books answer every question and explain some more. A new book will be released in the new year in march, and a movie has been announced for it. My favourite franchise is Hungergames ♡ Take care yall
Just finished blazing 💨 Looking forward to this, also, all of the movies are book accurate for the most part, but BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES misses a lot of stuff from the book, my biggest pet peeve is them changing how the 10th hungergames went, it played out very differently in the book and it didn't end when the snakes came into the arena, Lucy gray even uses one of the snakes to kill someone, also in the books Lucy gray accidentally poisons Wovey, instead of Dill so I recommend all hungergames lovers to read the books!
Also yes district twelve is where appalachia would be, so Katniss, Peeta, Haymitch and everyone else in district 12 would've sounded southeren like Lucy Gray Baird.
Yes! I also disliked how the first movie left out the sorta humanising moment of Cato when Clove died. And how glimmers dress during the interviews was see through; if Glimmer had won she’d have become like Finnick and get s3x trafficked by the capital. Also peetas leg being amputated, and what happened in Haymitch’s games/ why he’s an alcoholic (although apparently he’s getting his own book & movie, I just hope they cast it well).
In the end, Snow may have had some sympathetic and humanizing moments shown throughout the film. Ultimately, though he was the film's main protagonist, he was and always will be the villain of the story. ❄
I adore how timely your uploads are with my meals hah
francis lawrence, who directed the hunger games movies, said that he immediately knew he wanted rachel to play lucy gray.
rachel (lucy gray) made her acting debut as maria in west side story when she was 17 and is now the main character in a broadway play.
she also sang all the songs for this movie live while filming & actually took lessons to get lucy grays appalchian accent right.
in the book of this movie we get a lot more insight of how ruthless snow really is in such young age.
we also get an insight that snow basically erased the 10th hunger games from existence bc of lucy gray.
there is also a theory that maude ivory (lucy grays cousin) is katniss grandmother, hence katniss knowing the songs (like hanging tree)
in the book lucy gray also sings „deep in the meadow“ to maude ivory, which is the same song katniss sang to rue in the first hunger games movie.
if i remember correctly, the snake that bit corio at the end was confirmed to be not poisonous, which would confirm the theory of her wanting to test if he would proof her right about losing control and going after her and he did.
the end of the movie is supposed to be a never answered question. if you listen to „the ballad of lucy gray“ you’ll understand better
Thank god for yall sat down to hit my bong and here yall are with one of my favorite movies WWWWW👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
45:55 yes, it has a side effect of causing hydrophobic tendencies. not really to the point where you’d jump off a cliff to not get wet, but it does cause hydrophobia!
YESSS LET'S GOOO I've been waiting for this one!!
Snow thought Sejanus would get a slap on the wrist for the recording because his father could bribe people to get his son out of it, and then Dr. Gaul would like Snow's gumption on sending the recording to her and bring him back to the Capital
Yes!!!
On the ridiculously tiny chips no 1 mentioned it if you listen you can actually see the scene that the hanging tree is about, the song! When they just arrived there For the 1st time in district 12 we see a man about to be hung and executed they're reading out his crimes the fact that he was alleged to have killed 3 people and a woman in the crowd screams out that he's innocent and he yelled to her to run to run which is exactly what he happens at the song... We also didn't get to see the following day Lucy gray in the field Writing the lyrics for what would eventually become the song katniss uses to help spur a revolution
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!!!
If Highbottom hadn't treated Coryo like that vs tried to teach him a better way, would things be differently? At least from the film I get "I have so much guilt about the games being created.... but I'm only going to try to stop them in ways that won't threaten my own life".
Yep. This story plays with nature vs nurture very well.
And just to add this “story” is told by Coriolanus point of view, so we as the viewers don’t even know if this is the truth bc Coriolanus is an unreliable narrator 🤷🏾♀️
OH MY GOSH FINALLYYYY
Been waiting for a reaction to this!! This movie is great!!
So glad y’all watched this. I died laughing the whole time. I love the parallels between the first hunger games, and how they were in the sequel. Great reaction as always.❤❤
it was always under the surface but Snow didn't "turn" like that because he was rejected
I was today years old when I realized that the guy that had beef with Snow's dad wasn't just taking it out on Snow for pettiness but also to prevent him from going to college and becoming his dad...
45:49 min. Yes, u show water to someone with suspected rabies. They are afraid and that's when you need to take them to the hospital.
1:17 “oh my goodness what do he got”😂😂
Guess I'll watch this while waiting on GOT. I loved this movie too.
hype!!! been patiently waiting for this moment for a minute, so excited to watch when i get off work
"like she using you? "like she using the chandeliers to cover up your head" LMFAOOO
45:25 YES rabies is referred to as hydrophobia ("fear of water"). this is predominantly because of its symptoms in the later stages of an infection in which the infected person has difficulty swallowing, shows panic when presented with liquids to drink, and cannot quench their thirst. Also rabies is a death sentence, the disease causes death (once infection is established) and there is no cure. (although there is a series of shots you can take once you've been exposed to rabies to prevent the infection from taking hold). I believe that's part of Snow's hidden plea to the girl to kill the guy off coz he is gonna die anyway, and in the book he and the girl had worked together to make a name and keep sponsors coming in for district 12's tributes. so asking her to continue doing the favour even now to keep at least one of their tributes alive (so they can share the fame or name that comes with a winning tribute) instead of wasting Lucy's life for a guy thats about to die.
Not y’all forgetting to edit “Tuberculosis on legs”. 😂 poor Dill was going through it.
I’ve been looking for a comment on this, but Snow has beef with Billy Taupe because he’s partially the reason why she got reaped for the hunger games in the first place. They didn’t explain it super well, but the mayors daughter fixed the reaping so Lucy Gray would get killed in the games and she could have Billy all to herself. Hence the “sing your way out of this one Lucy Gray.”
If you listen to the lyrics during her performance with the guitar right before the games, she explains the situation.
ALSO Lucy wrote the hanging tree song about that situation where the jabberjays were screaming that guys last words. There’s a line where she says “Are you coming to the tree where dead men called out for his love to flee.”
They depicted that in that scene. He was screaming for her to run.
Even bigger reason why that song and Katniss would’ve haunted Snow in the future. Because people didn’t know that song like that, I’d imagine only the Covey did.
I don't think Snow meant for Sejanus to get executed. He assumed his dad would buy him out of the situation. Explains reason for Snow crying because it wasn't his intention.
Oh yes yes yes this is gonna be fun!
45:30 That's pretty smart about sending Lucy water once it's determined Jessup has rabies. Those afflicted have a strong aversion to it.
Guys, i JUST finished your mockingjay part 2 this morning and thought "i hope they watch a ballad of songbirds and snakes, but they probably won't watch it because it's about Snow." And here I am, coming inside from smoking a bowl and I SEE THIS!
Been waiting for yall to watch this
Lucky flickerman is I believe the dad or possibly granddad of Caesar flickerman but yeah his real name lucretius yeah that is a mouthful
Yall took toooooo long to react to this! Lmaoo. Also, baby girl has Down Syndrome, but she was my favorite
I know people get mad at Coryo for snitching on Sejanus but I would have told on his dumba$$ too. He is willingly putting Snow's life on the line on the dumbest plan possible simply because he knows he can fall on his parents money. Sejanus is a spoiled brat who thinks he's being helpful when most of the time he is just making things worse.
EVERYBODY SHUT UP MY SHOW IS ON
I’d been waiting for this reaction video since the Mockingjay Part 2 one dropped… and it did not disappoint. I’m glad y’all saw through Snow from the beginning; so many people felt some sympathy for him at the beginning. I hope y’all will do a reaction video when Sunrise of the Reaping comes out… but not until 2026. That one will be Haymitch’s story.
a couple things to note. ill just type them out as i watch. you noticed how lucy kept on refering to the guards as boys...its coz of her relationship with and service to them (with her singing as youll observe later on with Snow in d district), so there is a kind of respect they have for her.
I love u guysss!!!
The actress who plays Lucy is of Colombian & Polish Ancestry.
Yall keep saying back then…. This is the future. That’s why the technology is so advanced.
there's a very compelling theory that Maude Ivory (Lucy Gray's cousin) is Katniss's grandmother
“A hood name, a Wonka name, and a Onlyfans name” I had to hit like and follow
Katness was a fighter force to preform
Lucy was a performer force to fight
yesss been waiting for this!
LETSSS GOOO FINALLY YALL WATCHED THIS IN LOVE ✨🫶🏼🙂↕️🙏🏽thank youuuuuu haha 🗣️✨🙏🏽
the outro song lol>>>
Theres a theory me and others who watched this have that i think honestly might be true. We never see Lucy Gray again. Snow becomes president and wipes the record of Lucy Gray’s hunger games, which is why everyone thinks Haymitch is the first winner from 12. So where did Lucy Gray go? Well, theres a theory that Lucy Gray ended up running to 13 and discovering it as it was just beginning to be built. Theres a theory that Lucy Gray is President Coins mother, and Lucy Gray died or took on a different name before Coin became the leader of the revolution. Thats why Coin hated Snow so bad, not just because of what he was doing to the districts, but also because of what her mom, Lucy Gray, told her he did to her. Now, Coin immediately realized why Snow hated Katniss, because Coin too believed Katniss to be just like her mother. That builds so much upon why coin wanted Snow dead so badly and we she wanted Katniss to be the one to do it. Because she wanted Snow to pay for what he did to her mother by having him die by the one person who reminds him of her. I personally believe this theory because if you look it up theres more in depth explanations, and because it really add to why Coin became what she did and how her anger toward Snow, on her mothers behalf, was the reason she became such a bad person and why Katniss killed her. She was obsessed with revenge and it got her killed.
1:02:50 this is still in the future yall we are waaaay older than snow😭😭
You boys might not be super familiar with it but there are a lot of species of flowers that are edible and if that's all you have in the area to eat they might have that as a major food source cuz this girly is not a hunter like katniss and it was probably a joke about the dandelions but actually they are a type of flower that's very edible wildflower I've seen videos on RUclips of this little Asian girl who who calls everybody my love and she basically made a better and pan-fried a bunch of them
Venomous means it bites you and you die poisonous means you bite it and you die injection versus ingestion that can be very very important in The hunger games
I know you guys didn't confuse Autism with Down Syndrome!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 I just love watching your videos, learning English with you guys is so fun, I can't get enough of "golly" 🤌🏻
The movie version paints a way more sympathetic portrait of Snow, in the book he is absolutely disgusted by anything or anyone "district" including Sejanus believing they're all "savages". Even Lucy Gray is not "district" in his mind because she's Covey. He is hateful through and through in the book, we miss that part in the movie because it's mostly inner monologue but this man gets mad at BUGS in the meadow, he could NEVER not live in the Capitol. Also fun popular theory, Katniss's father was known for his incredible singing voice (even the birds would fall silent and listen to him), so he may be related to the Covey!
Every copy of the 10th Hunger Games was destroyed, so no one is supposed to remember Lucy Gray by Katniss's Games, but as we see, her songs were still passed on in 12. Imagine the look on Snow's face watching the "runt girl" from district 12 singing Lucy Gray's songs and making them anthems of the Rebellion 🤭
anyways thanks for the great content as always!!
Wove being in this is still one of my favourite things. Putting a little girl with Down Syndrome into a gladiator death match is just nasty. And I really think they handled her character well - her (and the other kids) disability weren't played up but left to be subtler tells of both the state of life in the districts as well as the mentality of the capitol.
@@oq1106 I agree and I think the actress that plays Wovey was phenomenal in her heart breaking delivery of "can we go home now?" I know it's impossible to translate everything to screen but I wish they made us more sympathetic towards all the other tributes though :/
the thing with lucy as ive seen other people's comments is that, we dont know if she died or not. and thats one of the things i presume torments SNOW cos he ALWAYS removes "loose ends" thats why he killed Dean Casca and thats what he would do to remain president for that long.
Next movies should be Dune part 1 and part 2!!!!!
16:03 because it’s not about race or representation, it’s about class and your high or low in society. Those in power against everyone else.
46:00 in later stages of rabies people can definitely grow a fear/phobia of water, it’s just an effect of the virus
Lucky flickerem the game host is the ancestor of Ceaser flickermen host of Katniss games
Also the lake they swam in is the lake Katniss and Prim learned to swim and the meadow with the tree is the same one at the end of the hunger games here she and petaa were with their kids
actually lucretius "lucky' flickerman and the host in the original hunger games movies, ceaser flickerman, are related lol. thats why it seems like hes a "refernce" to him.
1:22:10 It's literally the first time I see this actor die on screen
Yeah, people with rabies become scared of water. Even if they try to drink it, they'll choke on it. It's interesting and sad at the same time.
That's awful😢. Do you know if they're able to drink other things and it won't affect them? Milk, juice, soda, the sort?
@@shordiepjm No :( Same reaction.
PLSSSS DO ARCANE
Would highly recommend reading the book cuz the game was much different than what they did in the movie (i.e. how the tributes died & the order of their deaths besides brandy & marcus)
is this a mandela effect or something because i swear i saw a video of yall reacting to this 😭
I thought the same thing when I saw the noti 😂😂
Great reaction
also not saying SNOW is innocent in any way BUT He sent that bird because he thought that Sejanus's dad may buy the boy's way out again. ( im glad u guys got it on the head with this comment "he only thinks of himself and his own good" he is quite narcisstic, selfish and PROUDDDDD) and if you read the books, you'll see how immoral he reasons. anyways that's on top of the fact that he never liked Sejanus, hated him, his family and how his family (a district family) became rich whilst Snow's lost everything from the war. Bro kept his enemy closer.
WE ARE SO BACK
The Lavina girl that's too high, its coz thats her skill if i recall correctly from the books. her district in good with some sort of climbing and that's why she climbed easily (u noted that the holes on the pillar were perfect for her feet, na its just supposed to be her ability). was a bit dissapointed with the pillar coz from d books, my perception of the pillar was a lot more complex and a lot more taller in length.
Addison the word you're looking for when somebody has the one eye of a different color than the other that is a heterochromia apparently a lot of actors have it but it's kind of subtle so it's not super noticeable like the shade of brown or blue or green or whatever but in some people it's a completely different color on the other side like one side is Brown and the other is blue or you know blue and green or green and brown something like that it's much more common in pets than in people like for instance in Huskies it's very very common for them to have at least one blue eye the other one might be blue it might be brown but it's uncommon and other breeds but in cats it's typically like no Brown it's typically blue and one eye Green in the other
Wasn’t this movie still set in a version of our world’s future?
Yeah, it's funny when they say 'back then' because this is not the past, it's still the future, they just use retro aesthetics which I guess makes sense to go back to old vibes when you're rebuilding a society
@ I was paying attention to the fashion when watching this movie! It’s so crazy how much it changed when it seemed relatively normal before.
I'm not gonna give up 😂 1:05:23
Theory that you can find on super Carlin Brothers there's actually several theories about who Lucy Baird is related to in the modern hunger games there are some people who think she grew up to be coin I don't buy that for a second there are other people who think she might have been the paternal grandmother of katniss I prefer the theory that her covey member maude Ivory was katniss's grandmother
District 12 is technically in Appalachia so everyone from 12 should technically have a little accent
But its well into our future
Need to see season 7 wrap up GOT.
Szn 6 finale coming out tonight!
Perhaps not likeable by the end, but understandable. Please watch Attack on Titan for a similar us v them thoughtful story. In SUB please 😅 no matter what anyone says it's very well done & overall most reactors miss a lot not listening in their native language. Plus subtitles can "spoil" important moments a few seconds ahead when for those that watched it live week to week we had to stop & dark "WHAT? WHAT DID WE HEAR?" or worse THEY MISSED IT because it was so quick - but that's what makes it just a great show, the amount of info either slowly given or suddenly massively dumped on you.
Killable cap! 😂
I've never seen this one. Let's go! 🎉
Oh this is when the left was ruining all films.
Oh honey you guys are not prepared for what the games used to be and the fact that snow was the one who made them really what they are now and I have news if you haven't already heard there is another book coming out in between this prequel and the original series it's going to be when haymitch won you boys have no idea what you're in for I would recommend having the tissue box on hand but considering you already watched it I just hope you guys probably paused and went to get tissues
Bro people saying things about the singing, it's fu, like, katniss mom fall in love with katniss dad because of his singing, katniss sings too though, birds have a really important part in the story, and what does a Bird do? And games are TV show, what better way to entertain and make ppl like you than singing
Can you react to arcane
I actually have a few episode reactions up already on this channel. I’ll be adding more soon!
-Adison
It's become painfully obvious y'all never watched Old Yeller 😢
lol why you say that??
-Adison
@edn I'm not gonna spoil anything but if you saw it you wouldn't have been asking some of the questions you asked about Jessup
what do you mean you hate musicals? 😥
As a both a sista and a sister in Christ, I am saddened and ashamed of your reaction to the black female character's natural hair. You made fun of her. Her silver fro was beautiful. How can you make fun of our hair when that is the way God made us. Y'all need to be careful of your tongues and how you think on the inside. You need to search your hearts. There was never the jokes for the Naath light skinned young lady on GOT. I doubt you will respond. I am disappointed. Do better. I watch your content and I sub. I am reconsidering. I doubt you will reply. I hope you do
Shes also snow white and has been really problematic for Disney lol
yeah but I figure that's a different problem. And given all the fun performances in this (I really, really love Gall, Dinklage is doing good too), I wouldn't let the snow white thing influence my opinion on this movie. Which I feel like get a little underrated because of the part 3 pacing.
Problematic by calling Snow White lame (which she is)
Problematic, because she said the romance wasn’t going to be the main plot line and that it’s an outdated movie (which it is), or because she was scared of the movie as a kid? The double standards y’all have is crazy, because no one cares that Harrison ford hates Star Wars, or twilight guy hates twilight. Rachel was speaking facts imo.
@@cece2499 right. robert pattison regretting his twilight performance doesnt effect my enjoyment of him in any way LMFAO
@@totalknightmare yeah exactly! People find it funny when it comes to them literally hating franchises that made them more successful, but Rachel saying something that’s actually very tame is an issue.