5 years later of you made this video it is still usefull for me. And by end of the video I learned you made it for the same reason as I. I want to teach my son to fly around with me 🙂 Thanks
Joshua, there are few things more important than this function, yet nobody till now has made it this easy to understand. Thank you, for taking the time to help us all help our friends into the hobby without the significant and lasting mental trauma of .... An "unplanned dynamic disassembly of our model".....
I love the way openTX deals with buddyboxing setup... I fly fixed wing mostly and for my son I have my buddy switch set to a 3 way switch, one is off, 2nd gives him control of the control surfaces and 3rd position sets it to full control... I also have it set so I can hit the sticks a bit to "guide" him when needed... the one thing I miss about my spektrum is the wireless buddybox setup... but that isn't difficult to pull off with the taranis, just wire in a PPM RX module to the buddy box cable and power it with an external lipo... a friend made one in a box that has a switch on the back so he can power it on or off... you can set it up to work with spektrum, frsky, flysky or anything else that has PPM output options... I've been meaning to do it but haven't gotten around to it still... also you may have mentioned it but I missed it... you can use whatever brand tx you want with the taranis as long as you have a cable adapter, in fact I have an old spektrum dx5 and dx4 that are missing the transmitter modules, they use the same mono 3.5mm plug and I use them from time to time.. can find them for $10-15 shipped in this condition and work well as a buddy box (or on a computer sim with a USB cable buddy adapter... not the same quality of feel as a good TX but still a lot better than the toys
I've been using this for a while: 1) There's no point in the override mode, addition mode is better. If trainer doesn't touch the sticks it's the same effect, while allowing you to add input to the student (I find this most useful for teaching coordinated turns, specially adding yaw). 2) You can use this to teach someone on a sim for the fastest fpv fast track (I have a friend doing powerloops on a real quad from 0 experience after 2 1h sessions of student mode on liftoff) 3) This works with the flysky radio that comes with the Wizard (You can build an adapter, search for firmware upgrade adapter it's the same, or use a universal usb simulator dongle without the usb end). 4) With 2 qx7s, this works wireless over Bluetooth! 5) The rf module can be on in the student radio so you can just be a safety net on their new quad. 6) Use this for more than teaching someone new! Let your pilot friends try your quad on their own radio, have them experience crossfire or r9, teach them new tricks...
Thanks Josh I was a instructor for fix-wings for 40 years now and I was hoping that this would work with my Xlite and X9D and teach some neighbors to fly. Thanks for everything
I am so glad to be patreon for you - I just got inspired by this, created a cable from my first flysky i6s and connected it to my T16. Now I can have a training session with my daughter without being afraid the drone would fly away :) Just perfect :D
Thanks JB I'm about to start trying to train some people at a drug rehab to get them into the hobby because that's what saved me. It's a tough mission but I'm going for it my friend. Thank you for all your help these past 7 months. Your the best
Oh my gosh! I spent so long trying to figure out how to do this earlier this summer because there was nothing very good out there explaining it. I even was considering making my own tutorial video about it to put on youtube after I finally figured out what to do. I have been doing it with friends that don't know how to fly and it is an absolute blast! I did NOT know about the global function option so I had just programmed it into each individual model. Thank you so much for making this!
As always Bardwell to the rescue. I was tring to connect a betafpv lite 2(not SE ) with a radiomaster tx12 and it was not working. Apparently the port is a bit different on radiomaster and i had to just remove the cable 1 mm from the port. Thx.
Hello Joshua I want to say thank you for putting these videos up I’ve built my first diy drone using you videos to help me figure out what dose what and why the darn thing wasn’t arming, when ever i look up something drone related your videos were always The top suggested video :-)
My friend want to teach his father with this feature, but I didn't know anything about it. The only thing I knew was that there has to be JB's video about it somewhere :D Thank you very much Mr. Bardwell
This still has the same problem as 20 years ago. If someone wants my help to learn to fly, it will be with their quad, not mine, and also their radio (student) will be the one binded to the quad. Also... 2018... wired connection... Anyways, good video Mr. Bardwell. Very informative as usual. Happy holidays!
No that is not correct. The student radio with the quad can be setup as the instructor and the other radio can be the trainer. All you need to do after setting up is switch radios during training.
As a suggestion, I've created a trainer model on my radios with default settings. In a lot of cases it can be used for Buddy boxing as well as simulators.
I just did this with a pair of qx7s. I used the same trainer cord i used with spectrum radio. It doesnt show a icon on the qx7s but works fine.To get the dual rate and expo from master to slave to match i had to increase multiplier to 3.5 . Remove the prop or brace the plane when doing this. If you go the wrong way with the multiplier the throttle will excell when you hit the trainer switch. As always be prepaired for accidental throttle apply when live testing.
Thanks for the vid. My FW is too old for my X9D so didn't have the global functions in the long-press menu but did a standard function instead. Thanks!
You might add that the Trainer / Master needs to be the TX that the craft is bound to. I do a bit of buddy-box and just have a model on my radio for the Student and we swap radios if we're buddy boxing their craft.
Oh wow the amount of hours I have wasted setting up mixers on various trainee radios instead of just plugging them in and changing the order on mine 🤦🏻♂️ I did learn something today!
Learning to fly FPV is a lot easier than learning LOS. Most time is needed just to learn how to move the controls from all viewpoints around the craft, especially when flying towards you. That's not an issue, if you always have the "pilots" view. If you teach your son how to fly, be prepared to learn from him in a couple of months 😉
Great video. Thanks for posting. That said, what happens when I have two Radiomaster TX16s set up the exact same way, meaning: Dual rates, flight modes, expo, bail out and what not... Does this mean that all the switches (mixes for example) work for the student as well!? I would love for the student radio to have the exact same features as the trainer radio. Thanks.
Thanks for this post, I am going to build a quad for my wife and this will come in very handy when she gets to piloting her quad, ps she will be assisting with the build as well:)
Hi Joshua !! Instead of using the wire between the radios you can recycle a good old D4R2 receiver in the master radio to link them. I know that you had latency to the student radio but I really hate having wire between the ratios.
@@JoshuaBardwell - 1 You bind the slave radio to the D4R2 old school D8 Mode. - 2 Use the ppm pin in the jr module bay to connect the D4R2... 5v and gnd ^^ - 3 use mode master/ CPPM Module in the Master radios... And Voilà ^^ the all your videos is perfectly fine to finish the configurations.
@Go Blynn yes, that's the only issue of this mode, but we preaty much all have old quad's in D16... no ?? And for buddy fly a beginner... on need of crossfire ^^
Hey Josh, did you get him a good “toy grade” quad to learn to fly LOS? That”s what I did and it worked out great. An Eachine E011 is a fun starter quad. Then I bumped them up to a Latrax Alias which helped them with Acro LOS. Both of those quads don’t break easily so crashing is not a big issue. After that it the door to FPV is wide open. Plus they have the benefit of knowing how to fly LOS which can be invaluable. Good luck and remember, he just wants to have fun.
Personally I would do the santa version because you can still flash its board to be acro. Joshua probably has uber amounts of little quads that would be top shelve for the little tyke when that time comes.
Aarons14bugs - Good idea and the Santa can easily hold the AIO camera. I did that on mine but Santa’s a little heavy so a motor upgrade is really helpful. One thing though is that I heard that some versions of that Quad’s FC are no longer flash-able.
@@frankbarajas Yeah I heard the only one that can still be flashed is the santa version. I am all about the Mobula7 now though and don't see myself ever turning back to brushed. I want another one but am going to wait till something really special comes out maybe later this year. I'd like to explore something less than 90mm that can support some HD recording!
Great timing! I have the xlite and nirvana and apparently both claim to be able, both neither deliver. Do you know any tricks to get it working on either radio??
Question, can a student controller be setup to ONLY control throttle? Let them learn to hover while the instructor keeps the quad stationary. I have watched your video twice and it looks like the answer is yes. But I would like your confirmation, great master, before I buy another controller and try this. I learned to fly fixed wing with a buddy box, but I still managed to crash the plane. I believe the reason a buddy box is not used with quadcopters is because the instructor will not be able to react quick enough to divert a crash. However, a buddy box setup would be useful to teach one of the first fundamental skills, hovering.
P. S. - I have a Spectrum wireless buddy box setup but could not figure out how to let the student only control one channel. Hopefully, OpenTX can do this.
Yes, OpenTX can definitely do that. When you create the Special Function to activate trainer mode, there is an optional parameter that allows it to apply to only one channel. If you do not activate the parameter, it applies to all four channels.
a friend and I tried to buddy box a wing and were successful in all but the elevon mixing. Anyone have any tips on this? Thanks for all the stuff learned Joshua
👍👍👍👍👍Great Tutorial!! Question 1: Are expo (for airplanes) automatically transfered to the student radio or the needed to be set up in the student radio , example same number as the teacher radio? Thanks Alex
I believe expo for the student should be set up on the students Transmitter under the model you just created. If you want it to have the same feel as master radio then you can just copy expo numbers and create them on the student Transmitter
HI JOSHUA . . . EDDIE HERE IN THE UK. I'VE JUST WATCHED YOUR EXCELLENT VIDEO ON SETTING UP BUDDY BOX SYSTEM ON TARANIS RADIOS AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO SET FLAPS USE FOR STUDENT PLEASE. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE PLEASE JOSHUA ? BEST REGARDS - EDDIE.
Hi Joshua! I have 2 Horus X10S Express with Edge TX each but it's impossible to connect between them using bluetooth, any clues of what is going on? I have activated bluetooth, 1 radio is in master/bluetooth and the other in slave/bluetooth but when I hit on "Discover" in the master nothing happens :( :(
Mr. Bardwell, I have got a question! Is it possible, to Mix different Brands of remote Radios, as Long they have the OpenTx Software on it? As an example, one Radio is a taranis 9 plus and the other Radio is a Walkera devo 10 or a Radio Link at9 or at10? Best regards
Great instruction JB, especially as my X-Lite arrived today which i intend to buddy up to my X7S. However... it looks like the X-lite can't buddy at the moment, no bluetooth module and only an audio Jack socket. Is that right or am i missing something? I hope the latter of course!
Hi @joshua bardwell I followed the video and set it up as per your instructions. However in my case I am trying to setup a Wing to teach my Grandson how to fly. Also in my case I have 2 XD9's however one of them (Instructor) has a Crossfire module on it since Im running Crossfire on the wing. In my case the channels during the slave cable connection from the Student to Instructor seems to be working however not 100%. The surfaces on the Wing only partially respond to input. I would say maybe 20% compared to a Non Slave scenario. Am I fighting a loosing battle since I have Xfire on the Instructors radio? Im not even sure if its a Crossfire problem or not. The trainer (student) radio assumes a PPM signal however the Xfire is not PPM. Have any magical solutions? :)
I was looking for trainer videos because I want to buy the Xlite to teach my son to fly, great timing. However, if I am not wrong, I think the Xlite doesn’t have a trainer port, can you confirm? There are other options like plugging a receiver in the module bay. You should do a follow up video covering those options (Bluetooth, subs, etc).
I am trying to connect a frsky x9liteS with a radio master zoro. So far cable works only in one direction. I know Zorro uses TRRS jack and X9lite uses TRS. Someone knows the pinout of these 3.5mm jacks ?
Most quads dont have the bind button accessible so what if... The quad belongs to the student, it is already bound to the student's radio. In this scenario the students requests the help of someone with more experience. is there a way the student's radio is the master and the instructor's radio is the slave ? This would avoid to have to bind to the instructor for the training, then bind again to the student (owner).
I was actually just helping proofread a chapter for a textbook about automation in agriculture. Funnily enough, it was comparing the advantages and disadvantages of different wireless communication protocols between nodes and I thought, "Oh man, this is right up JB's alley". Anyway, the terminology for Master/Slave is kind of in flux now (and we wanted to avoid it since, ya know, agriculture). Several big companies are using Primary/Replica or Master/Replica. Primary/Secondary is a little too ambiguous since it's used in lots of other electronic documentation.
In my opinion text books should use the most common term used, definitely when the term is actually descriptive of the situation and not some arbitrary convention. After all the goal is to teach something in an efficient manner as possible. In this case ppl will spend a few hours googling before they learn that they have been using the wrong term when thy want to trouble shoot or look up something specific.
about one year ago you made a video about the matek f405 and the fchub vtx but in the description are two diffrent flycontroler the matek f405 osd and the f405 std wich one is the right
Wasn't clear on why you were holding the top right trainer mode toggle switch? It looked as though you had to keep hold of it instead of toggling it/hitting it once?
Josh I have a question, the x-lite does non have a trainer jack. It has only a headset jack , sd slot and smart port 3 wire for the receiver programming so buddy box not a possible.
Thanks for the video. Question: if a student has a Taranis and a model, all set to work together, and trainer has a whatever different radio. Is there a way to setup mixing somehow that way? So student has radio link but stays student.
@@JoshuaBardwell Shame really. I feel there might be a way to do that when both TXs are opentx, by setting up a trainer switch on a separate channel and linking it somehow on students radio but it might be not easy...
Is there any way to setup a teacher on an unbound model? It seems the way this is designed means the trainer radio has to bind to the students model to be master with the control switch…Or, the trainer flies the students radio and vice versa
Will this effect your use of the momentary switch for multi stage arming? I feel like it shouldn't since the logical switch is already in the arm state so there would be no change in the arming
The reason why some audio jacks don't work is because some are mono and some are stereo. The jacks that are mono only have 1 ring on the connector tip while stereo has 2 rings on the connector tip.
How about bluetooth trainer video? Maybe just the bluetooth functions in general? I have a qx7s and there's a couple options, one being a slave/master and the other some sort of telemetry function.
I set this up for my son a while ago and I’m only able to arm the quad BEFORE I connect the trainer cord to the instructor unit. This could be because I use SH for sticky arming or because the student Tx is a DX6i. Just a heads up for anyone that can’t arm with the wire connected.
Yes that's correct. When you pull the momentary switch to arm, it passes control to the student, and if his throttle is raised, the quad will refuse to arm. I solve this by telling the student to put his throttle down.
Last year, I gave my 13 year old nephew a basic but complete FPV setup. Box goggles, a bind-n-fly 5" quad, a stack of my old 4S packs, a Taranis, a charger, and a backpack. They flew into town on Christmas Eve, so we gave him his present and sat him right down in front of the sim so we could go flying the next day. I had already set up trainer mode on our radios. I was relieved that I didn't have to take control. He did well enough in 30 minutes in the simulator. I didn't have to stop him from ramming into any cars in the parking lot! My biggest disappointment with trainer mode is that it feels backwards. If I'm the instructor, you're going to be flying my quad. That's not we want. The new pilot wants to fly their quad with their radio. They want to use their X-Lite to fly their FrSky quad. I don't want to have to save the day with their X-Lite, and they don't want to use my X9D+ as the student controller. Good luck with your son! The week our nephew spent here went very well as far as quads go. I was expecting a quad in a tree, or in traffic somewhere, or smashed into something expensive! :)
Just haul a laptop out to the field. Just spend 10 or 20 minutes futzing around copying a model. I don't know about you, but if I'm ever going to do this with anyone again, it needs to be a more efficient process.
Joshua Bardwell Thanks for the reply! Turns out it was my cable, the same cable that worked perfectly between the X9D plus and the QX7 for years. If I pull the cable out of the T16 port a smidge, all is well. Looks like I need to shop for a new cable.
Brian Lynn Thanks for the tip! I’ll try that. I’ve tried three different cables and they will work in the T16 if it sits perfectly in the jack. When it works, it works great. Maybe a spacer will make it work consistently.
You can pretty much remap the channels any way you want but this exact method only works for the four main channels. To do a buddy box channel on an aux channel you can use the "Tr." inputs as a source to a mixer line. But you will need to manually set up the switch that changes control over from the instructor to the student of that makes sense.
@@JoshuaBardwell Yes I have done that before, setting up a switch that controls master/slave control. Ok good to know I can use the 'Tr' as input. Will try today.
I guess as you can't use the trainer mode on the master radio you can select e.g. channel 11 with as a source e.g. TR5. But how to output TR5 on the slave radio? And on what channel should you output it? Guess you cannot just assign e.g. channel 11 with source TR e.g. 5 on the slave radio as well. Or maybe more options pop up once you plug in the slave radio to select as source.
By soldering a PPM receiver on your cable (ground&signal) and powering it with a Lipo or your Taranis, you could build a wireless Buddy box. Or you connect a Receiver (SBus) to the pins in the Module Bay (Ground/Power/SBus) and select SBus as Source somewhere in the Trainer menu...I don't know exactly but I googled and tried it some months ago an it worked. Oh and...don't try it, google the pinout first and check the voltage output, don't fry a 5V or 3.3V DSMX Receiver 😵 found it again: www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Taranis-X9D-Wireless-Trainer-Using-SBUS-Rec/
LOL! After doing all the research ourselves to set up a wireless system for our TX16S, Flysky and Spektrum Transmitters we get it all working - THEN find this comment. Talk about re-inventing the wheel. :D But at least it always works. And no sketchy audio plugs/jacks and wires to trip over. ;-)
Someone needs some Starbucks sensitivity training lol. An inanimate object enslaving another inanimate object is wrong. Pencils misspell, silverware makes people fat, and guns kill. Government should take care of you, no need to apply yourself. Oh I forgot that racism and sexism are bad unless your targeting white males. Happy days
Mr Bardwell. I, like many, enjoy watching your content. However I would like to see some Butterflight content as well, rather than everything being Betaflight based. I understand that principally they are very similar but there's not a huge amount of content on YT for Butterflight. It would be nice to see you expand your video base a little further to include this. ( I realise this means more work ) Keep up the good work BTW
Yooo Mr J dude! Thanx again 4 what u do.. Out of curiosity how old is your son? I am asking because i just got my 4yr old daughter a generic quad (eachine E010).. no fpv just yet... she's got great throttle control.. just pitch and roll to go :D
Good guide. Very little info on this on the net. X-Lite has no trainer port. Only way to get X-Lite to work for training is to use a wireless buddy box system (often with an RX in the module bay - like Linker from Aloft hobbies - alofthobbies.com/linker.html ). You can get a Module mount kit for the X-Lite from Bangood ( www.banggood.com/JR-Module-Adapter-For-FrSky-X-LITE-TBS-Crossfire-iRangeX-IRX4-Multiprotocol-JR-Type-TX-p-1376003.html )
I think around 5 to 7 years old is the minimum, although there will always be exceptions. Two things you have to consider are the physical coordination to control the sticks and the mental maturity to fly the quad safely. Each kid is going to be different in this respect.
It's unfortunate that the x-lite doesn't have a trainer port, but I guess when small size is a requirement it means some things get sacrificed. Oh well, I guess I won't be using it for buddy boxing :(
The X-lite has a module Bay so it could work like on the X9D... www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Taranis-X9D-Wireless-Trainer-Using-SBUS-Rec/ ...the pinout of the X-Lite might be different.
@@Jongiblets I think the mod affects the SPort Pin and not the SBus Pin. SBus communication (controlling the model) works with or without the mod - programming the module/telemetry (SPort) needs the mod to work.
5 years later of you made this video it is still usefull for me. And by end of the video I learned you made it for the same reason as I. I want to teach my son to fly around with me 🙂 Thanks
Joshua, there are few things more important than this function, yet nobody till now has made it this easy to understand. Thank you, for taking the time to help us all help our friends into the hobby without the significant and lasting mental trauma of ....
An "unplanned dynamic disassembly of our model".....
I love the way openTX deals with buddyboxing setup... I fly fixed wing mostly and for my son I have my buddy switch set to a 3 way switch, one is off, 2nd gives him control of the control surfaces and 3rd position sets it to full control... I also have it set so I can hit the sticks a bit to "guide" him when needed... the one thing I miss about my spektrum is the wireless buddybox setup... but that isn't difficult to pull off with the taranis, just wire in a PPM RX module to the buddy box cable and power it with an external lipo... a friend made one in a box that has a switch on the back so he can power it on or off... you can set it up to work with spektrum, frsky, flysky or anything else that has PPM output options... I've been meaning to do it but haven't gotten around to it still... also you may have mentioned it but I missed it... you can use whatever brand tx you want with the taranis as long as you have a cable adapter, in fact I have an old spektrum dx5 and dx4 that are missing the transmitter modules, they use the same mono 3.5mm plug and I use them from time to time.. can find them for $10-15 shipped in this condition and work well as a buddy box (or on a computer sim with a USB cable buddy adapter... not the same quality of feel as a good TX but still a lot better than the toys
I've been using this for a while:
1) There's no point in the override mode, addition mode is better. If trainer doesn't touch the sticks it's the same effect, while allowing you to add input to the student (I find this most useful for teaching coordinated turns, specially adding yaw).
2) You can use this to teach someone on a sim for the fastest fpv fast track (I have a friend doing powerloops on a real quad from 0 experience after 2 1h sessions of student mode on liftoff)
3) This works with the flysky radio that comes with the Wizard (You can build an adapter, search for firmware upgrade adapter it's the same, or use a universal usb simulator dongle without the usb end).
4) With 2 qx7s, this works wireless over Bluetooth!
5) The rf module can be on in the student radio so you can just be a safety net on their new quad.
6) Use this for more than teaching someone new! Let your pilot friends try your quad on their own radio, have them experience crossfire or r9, teach them new tricks...
I've been watching your channel for 2 years and this came in very handy since I'll be handing off my old remote to my daughter. Thanks for the help!
Thanks Josh I was a instructor for fix-wings for 40 years now and I was hoping that this would work with my Xlite and X9D and teach some neighbors to fly. Thanks for everything
I am so glad to be patreon for you - I just got inspired by this, created a cable from my first flysky i6s and connected it to my T16. Now I can have a training session with my daughter without being afraid the drone would fly away :) Just perfect :D
Thanks JB I'm about to start trying to train some people at a drug rehab to get them into the hobby because that's what saved me. It's a tough mission but I'm going for it my friend. Thank you for all your help these past 7 months. Your the best
I set this up today to help a friend learn to fly Acro. It worked the first time. Great video with detailed instructions. Awesome thanks Joshua.
Oh my gosh! I spent so long trying to figure out how to do this earlier this summer because there was nothing very good out there explaining it. I even was considering making my own tutorial video about it to put on youtube after I finally figured out what to do. I have been doing it with friends that don't know how to fly and it is an absolute blast! I did NOT know about the global function option so I had just programmed it into each individual model. Thank you so much for making this!
As always Bardwell to the rescue. I was tring to connect a betafpv lite 2(not SE ) with a radiomaster tx12 and it was not working. Apparently the port is a bit different on radiomaster and i had to just remove the cable 1 mm from the port. Thx.
Hello Joshua I want to say thank you for putting these videos up I’ve built my first diy drone using you videos to help me figure out what dose what and why the darn thing wasn’t arming, when ever i look up something drone related your videos were always The top suggested video :-)
My friend want to teach his father with this feature, but I didn't know anything about it. The only thing I knew was that there has to be JB's video about it somewhere :D
Thank you very much Mr. Bardwell
The best video on the Internet for setting this up!
Thanks a bunch. Easy to understand. My reference video in the future.
Joshua, the QX7s has the wireless buddy box feature. Would be great to see an addendum on this video for that feature. Awesome video!
+1 - I'm about to try and set up a Horus to QX7 bluetooth... would have been nice to have some JB help ahead of time!
hey bardwell can we see the moment that ur son takes his first quad?
Just set this up on my spare controller for my grandkids! Thanks for covering every point required!
This still has the same problem as 20 years ago. If someone wants my help to learn to fly, it will be with their quad, not mine, and also their radio (student) will be the one binded to the quad. Also... 2018... wired connection...
Anyways, good video Mr. Bardwell. Very informative as usual. Happy holidays!
No that is not correct. The student radio with the quad can be setup as the instructor and the other radio can be the trainer. All you need to do after setting up is switch radios during training.
I love the fact that you can do this with ANY make of TX as the student box and the student and master can have separate dual rates and Expo.
As a suggestion, I've created a trainer model on my radios with default settings. In a lot of cases it can be used for Buddy boxing as well as simulators.
Love that you wore the Columbus Multi-rotor Club shirt in this video, thanks for the support!
Woot! Represent!
I just did this with a pair of qx7s. I used the same trainer cord i used with spectrum radio. It doesnt show a icon on the qx7s but works fine.To get the dual rate and expo from master to slave to match i had to increase multiplier to 3.5 . Remove the prop or brace the plane when doing this. If you go the wrong way with the multiplier the throttle will excell when you hit the trainer switch. As always be prepaired for accidental throttle apply when live testing.
Thanks for the vid. My FW is too old for my X9D so didn't have the global functions in the long-press menu but did a standard function instead. Thanks!
You might add that the Trainer / Master needs to be the TX that the craft is bound to. I do a bit of buddy-box and just have a model on my radio for the Student and we swap radios if we're buddy boxing their craft.
Oh wow the amount of hours I have wasted setting up mixers on various trainee radios instead of just plugging them in and changing the order on mine 🤦🏻♂️ I did learn something today!
Learning to fly FPV is a lot easier than learning LOS.
Most time is needed just to learn how to move the controls from all viewpoints around the craft, especially when flying towards you. That's not an issue, if you always have the "pilots" view.
If you teach your son how to fly, be prepared to learn from him in a couple of months 😉
Thanks bardwell! This is still relevant and useful!
Great video. Thanks for posting. That said, what happens when I have two Radiomaster TX16s set up the exact same way, meaning: Dual rates, flight modes, expo, bail out and what not... Does this mean that all the switches (mixes for example) work for the student as well!? I would love for the student radio to have the exact same features as the trainer radio. Thanks.
Ha, two weeks too late for me. I did still learn something tho, I used special function tho so I'll set it up as global function. Thanks Joshua!
Great video. Just what I needed.
Appreciate you man. This helped me set up my radio so I can help teach my kids how to fly. Thank you much!
Im new to frsky this was Very helpful thank you
Lmao, what you said about your kid is exactly where I am with my kid and why I'm watching this video!
Thanks for this post, I am going to build a quad for my wife and this will come in very handy when she gets to piloting her quad, ps she will be assisting with the build as well:)
Spektrum has had wireless buddy box system for years now, no cables needed :)
Joshua will you adopt me and teach me how to fly ? Geez, what a lucky kid.
Very helpful. Thank you. Greetings from Russia!
Great video, very clear for this old fella. Thankyou.
Ha i used to think you waffled on.. but not any more! keep up the great work!
Thankyou Josh,this is gonna be helpful in the future!🖒
Great guid josh. When I get one of these, I know know how to buddy box. Thank you
Thanks Joshua. I was curious about how that worked.
Hi Joshua !! Instead of using the wire between the radios you can recycle a good old D4R2 receiver in the master radio to link them. I know that you had latency to the student radio but I really hate having wire between the ratios.
That's pretty clever. Since the D4R2 outputs PPM you can feed it straight into the trainer port right?
@@JoshuaBardwell No, I use the JR module bay to connect the D4R2 inside the radio, I have the idea when I saw these: alofthobbies.com/linker.html
@@JoshuaBardwell
- 1 You bind the slave radio to the D4R2 old school D8 Mode.
- 2 Use the ppm pin in the jr module bay to connect the D4R2... 5v and gnd ^^
- 3 use mode master/ CPPM Module in the Master radios...
And Voilà ^^ the all your videos is perfectly fine to finish the configurations.
@@brianlynn6154 I now have one installed directly inside the radio with an additional switch to power it on ^^
@Go Blynn yes, that's the only issue of this mode, but we preaty much all have old quad's in D16... no ?? And for buddy fly a beginner... on need of crossfire ^^
Hey Josh, did you get him a good “toy grade” quad to learn to fly LOS? That”s what I did and it worked out great. An Eachine E011 is a fun starter quad. Then I bumped them up to a Latrax Alias which helped them with Acro LOS. Both of those quads don’t break easily so crashing is not a big issue. After that it the door to FPV is wide open. Plus they have the benefit of knowing how to fly LOS which can be invaluable. Good luck and remember, he just wants to have fun.
Personally I would do the santa version because you can still flash its board to be acro. Joshua probably has uber amounts of little quads that would be top shelve for the little tyke when that time comes.
Aarons14bugs - Good idea and the Santa can easily hold the AIO camera. I did that on mine but Santa’s a little heavy so a motor upgrade is really helpful. One thing though is that I heard that some versions of that Quad’s FC are no longer flash-able.
@@frankbarajas Yeah I heard the only one that can still be flashed is the santa version. I am all about the Mobula7 now though and don't see myself ever turning back to brushed.
I want another one but am going to wait till something really special comes out maybe later this year. I'd like to explore something less than 90mm that can support some HD recording!
@@Aarons14bugs - Me too! Mobula for the win!
Great timing! I have the xlite and nirvana and apparently both claim to be able, both neither deliver. Do you know any tricks to get it working on either radio??
hi joshua
i have a x9d plus se 2019 and i am trying to get a x8r to bind , could you do a video on how to do this
Jamie
Question, can a student controller be setup to ONLY control throttle? Let them learn to hover while the instructor keeps the quad stationary. I have watched your video twice and it looks like the answer is yes. But I would like your confirmation, great master, before I buy another controller and try this. I learned to fly fixed wing with a buddy box, but I still managed to crash the plane. I believe the reason a buddy box is not used with quadcopters is because the instructor will not be able to react quick enough to divert a crash. However, a buddy box setup would be useful to teach one of the first fundamental skills, hovering.
P. S. - I have a Spectrum wireless buddy box setup but could not figure out how to let the student only control one channel. Hopefully, OpenTX can do this.
Yes, OpenTX can definitely do that. When you create the Special Function to activate trainer mode, there is an optional parameter that allows it to apply to only one channel. If you do not activate the parameter, it applies to all four channels.
This is very helpful. Thank you.
Many thanks to the good explanation
a friend and I tried to buddy box a wing and were successful in all but the elevon mixing. Anyone have any tips on this? Thanks for all the stuff learned Joshua
Is there a possibilityty to connect openTX radio and Deviatoion Radio?
👍👍👍👍👍Great Tutorial!!
Question 1: Are expo (for airplanes) automatically transfered to the student radio or the needed to be set up in the student radio , example same number as the teacher radio?
Thanks
Alex
I believe expo for the student should be set up on the students Transmitter under the model you just created. If you want it to have the same feel as master radio then you can just copy expo numbers and create them on the student Transmitter
@@Moonsauc3 thanks!!
HI JOSHUA . . . EDDIE HERE IN THE UK. I'VE JUST WATCHED YOUR EXCELLENT VIDEO ON SETTING UP BUDDY BOX SYSTEM ON TARANIS RADIOS AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO SET FLAPS USE FOR STUDENT PLEASE. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE PLEASE JOSHUA ? BEST REGARDS - EDDIE.
Hi Joshua! I have 2 Horus X10S Express with Edge TX each but it's impossible to connect between them using bluetooth, any clues of what is going on? I have activated bluetooth, 1 radio is in master/bluetooth and the other in slave/bluetooth but when I hit on "Discover" in the master nothing happens :( :(
Mr. Bardwell, I have got a question!
Is it possible, to Mix different Brands of remote Radios, as Long they have the OpenTx Software on it? As an example, one Radio is a taranis 9 plus and the other Radio is a Walkera devo 10 or a Radio Link at9 or at10?
Best regards
Yes! Never let me down.. Joshua
Great instruction JB, especially as my X-Lite arrived today which i intend to buddy up to my X7S. However... it looks like the X-lite can't buddy at the moment, no bluetooth module and only an audio Jack socket. Is that right or am i missing something? I hope the latter of course!
You are correct. X-Lite can't buddy box.
how about a link to purchase a mono cable that is known to work...
ciao Is it possible to connect via buddybox trainer or wt01 tx mode 1 with tx mode 2?
Hi @joshua bardwell I followed the video and set it up as per your instructions. However in my case I am trying to setup a Wing to teach my Grandson how to fly. Also in my case I have 2 XD9's however one of them (Instructor) has a Crossfire module on it since Im running Crossfire on the wing. In my case the channels during the slave cable connection from the Student to Instructor seems to be working however not 100%. The surfaces on the Wing only partially respond to input. I would say maybe 20% compared to a Non Slave scenario. Am I fighting a loosing battle since I have Xfire on the Instructors radio? Im not even sure if its a Crossfire problem or not. The trainer (student) radio assumes a PPM signal however the Xfire is not PPM. Have any magical solutions? :)
I was looking for trainer videos because I want to buy the Xlite to teach my son to fly, great timing. However, if I am not wrong, I think the Xlite doesn’t have a trainer port, can you confirm? There are other options like plugging a receiver in the module bay. You should do a follow up video covering those options (Bluetooth, subs, etc).
X-lite does not have a trainer port, you are correct.
I am trying to connect a frsky x9liteS with a radio master zoro. So far cable works only in one direction. I know Zorro uses TRRS jack and X9lite uses TRS. Someone knows the pinout of these 3.5mm jacks ?
Woot! Ask and you shall receive. Thanks "buddy"!
Great tutorial Joshua!!
Most quads dont have the bind button accessible so what if...
The quad belongs to the student, it is already bound to the student's radio.
In this scenario the students requests the help of someone with more experience.
is there a way the student's radio is the master and the instructor's radio is the slave ?
This would avoid to have to bind to the instructor for the training, then bind again to the student (owner).
You could set that up manually using the Trainer inputs in yhe Mixer screen. It would require every student's. Radio to be set up that way.
I was actually just helping proofread a chapter for a textbook about automation in agriculture. Funnily enough, it was comparing the advantages and disadvantages of different wireless communication protocols between nodes and I thought, "Oh man, this is right up JB's alley".
Anyway, the terminology for Master/Slave is kind of in flux now (and we wanted to avoid it since, ya know, agriculture). Several big companies are using Primary/Replica or Master/Replica. Primary/Secondary is a little too ambiguous since it's used in lots of other electronic documentation.
In my opinion text books should use the most common term used, definitely when the term is actually descriptive of the situation and not some arbitrary convention. After all the goal is to teach something in an efficient manner as possible. In this case ppl will spend a few hours googling before they learn that they have been using the wrong term when thy want to trouble shoot or look up something specific.
about one year ago you made a video about the matek f405 and the fchub vtx but in the description are two diffrent flycontroler the matek f405 osd and the f405 std wich one is the right
The F405 OSD is end of life. The STD is probably the one you want.
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you
Wasn't clear on why you were holding the top right trainer mode toggle switch? It looked as though you had to keep hold of it instead of toggling it/hitting it once?
Correct.
Josh I have a question, the x-lite does non have a trainer jack. It has only a headset jack , sd slot and smart port 3 wire for the receiver programming so buddy box not a possible.
Yes I htink you are correct.
Good job,how i can do trainer mod with x-lite?i cant find nothing
Thanks for the video. Question: if a student has a Taranis and a model, all set to work together, and trainer has a whatever different radio. Is there a way to setup mixing somehow that way? So student has radio link but stays student.
Unfortunately no. That would make a lot of sense but that's not how buddy box works. The instructor's radio always has the bind.
@@JoshuaBardwell Shame really. I feel there might be a way to do that when both TXs are opentx, by setting up a trainer switch on a separate channel and linking it somehow on students radio but it might be not easy...
Is there any way to setup a teacher on an unbound model? It seems the way this is designed means the trainer radio has to bind to the students model to be master with the control switch…Or, the trainer flies the students radio and vice versa
Will this effect your use of the momentary switch for multi stage arming? I feel like it shouldn't since the logical switch is already in the arm state so there would be no change in the arming
I have to have the student zero their throttle or the quad will refuse to arm when I pull the switch.
The reason why some audio jacks don't work is because some are mono and some are stereo. The jacks that are mono only have 1 ring on the connector tip while stereo has 2 rings on the connector tip.
Can you do this with all brands of radio with Open Tx. e.g Nirvana to Qx7?
I would expect so.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks JB your tutorials are always great and easy to follow. Especially for us new guys. :)
How about bluetooth trainer video? Maybe just the bluetooth functions in general? I have a qx7s and there's a couple options, one being a slave/master and the other some sort of telemetry function.
Joshua! You were using this momentary switch for safe arming. Have You changed this setting?
No it's still used for arming. You can do both.
I set this up for my son a while ago and I’m only able to arm the quad BEFORE I connect the trainer cord to the instructor unit. This could be because I use SH for sticky arming or because the student Tx is a DX6i. Just a heads up for anyone that can’t arm with the wire connected.
Yes that's correct. When you pull the momentary switch to arm, it passes control to the student, and if his throttle is raised, the quad will refuse to arm. I solve this by telling the student to put his throttle down.
Great explanation, Joshua!👍 Happy new year btw as well 🍾 Has someone ever tried to use buddy func. between a Taranis and a DX9?
STephanM did you ever try this?
Last year, I gave my 13 year old nephew a basic but complete FPV setup. Box goggles, a bind-n-fly 5" quad, a stack of my old 4S packs, a Taranis, a charger, and a backpack. They flew into town on Christmas Eve, so we gave him his present and sat him right down in front of the sim so we could go flying the next day. I had already set up trainer mode on our radios.
I was relieved that I didn't have to take control. He did well enough in 30 minutes in the simulator. I didn't have to stop him from ramming into any cars in the parking lot!
My biggest disappointment with trainer mode is that it feels backwards. If I'm the instructor, you're going to be flying my quad. That's not we want. The new pilot wants to fly their quad with their radio. They want to use their X-Lite to fly their FrSky quad. I don't want to have to save the day with their X-Lite, and they don't want to use my X9D+ as the student controller.
Good luck with your son! The week our nephew spent here went very well as far as quads go. I was expecting a quad in a tree, or in traffic somewhere, or smashed into something expensive! :)
Just copy the model from the student to your radio with companion and then you can use your radio as the master.
Just haul a laptop out to the field. Just spend 10 or 20 minutes futzing around copying a model. I don't know about you, but if I'm ever going to do this with anyone again, it needs to be a more efficient process.
primary-secondary works well too :)
great vid josh ,I am on mode 4 and my friend on mode 2 can we do this on the 2 different modes
I would love to know how to connect the Jumper T16 Pro-(Master) to the Taranis X9D plus-(Slave). Is it even possible?
It works exactly the same. Jumper has a buddy box port.
Joshua Bardwell Thanks for the reply! Turns out it was my cable, the same cable that worked perfectly between the X9D plus and the QX7 for years. If I pull the cable out of the T16 port a smidge, all is well. Looks like I need to shop for a new cable.
Brian Lynn Thanks for the tip! I’ll try that. I’ve tried three different cables and they will work in the T16 if it sits perfectly in the jack. When it works, it works great. Maybe a spacer will make it work consistently.
Just a quick question: can I map the throttle of the buddy radio to an aux channel of the pilot radio in open tx? Or only TAER channels?
You can pretty much remap the channels any way you want but this exact method only works for the four main channels. To do a buddy box channel on an aux channel you can use the "Tr." inputs as a source to a mixer line. But you will need to manually set up the switch that changes control over from the instructor to the student of that makes sense.
@@JoshuaBardwell Ok, thx for that lead. Guess I will need some digging in the open tx manual :).
@@JoshuaBardwell Yes I have done that before, setting up a switch that controls master/slave control.
Ok good to know I can use the 'Tr' as input. Will try today.
I guess as you can't use the trainer mode on the master radio you can select e.g. channel 11 with as a source e.g. TR5. But how to output TR5 on the slave radio? And on what channel should you output it?
Guess you cannot just assign e.g. channel 11 with source TR e.g. 5 on the slave radio as well. Or maybe more options pop up once you plug in the slave radio to select as source.
@@JoshuaBardwell We figured it out. Tr indeed and then trainer function always ON and some trainer setting to 'sticks.'
By soldering a PPM receiver on your cable (ground&signal) and powering it with a Lipo or your Taranis, you could build a wireless Buddy box. Or you connect a Receiver (SBus) to the pins in the Module Bay (Ground/Power/SBus) and select SBus as Source somewhere in the Trainer menu...I don't know exactly but I googled and tried it some months ago an it worked. Oh and...don't try it, google the pinout first and check the voltage output, don't fry a 5V or 3.3V DSMX Receiver 😵
found it again:
www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Taranis-X9D-Wireless-Trainer-Using-SBUS-Rec/
LOL! After doing all the research ourselves to set up a wireless system for our TX16S, Flysky and Spektrum Transmitters we get it all working - THEN find this comment. Talk about re-inventing the wheel. :D
But at least it always works. And no sketchy audio plugs/jacks and wires to trip over. ;-)
PC police have infiltrated our hobby ? That's never good...
Great tutorial on the subject from the master himself. Thanks Joshua.
Hahahaha not very sensitive dude!
Someone needs some Starbucks sensitivity training lol. An inanimate object enslaving another inanimate object is wrong. Pencils misspell, silverware makes people fat, and guns kill. Government should take care of you, no need to apply yourself. Oh I forgot that racism and sexism are bad unless your targeting white males. Happy days
Do you can use different taranis TX models?
Yes.
Thanks, mega excellent job!😉
Mr Bardwell. I, like many, enjoy watching your content. However I would like to see some Butterflight content as well, rather than everything being Betaflight based. I understand that principally they are very similar but there's not a huge amount of content on YT for Butterflight. It would be nice to see you expand your video base a little further to include this. ( I realise this means more work ) Keep up the good work BTW
Here's a 1 hour 40 minute livestream that I did with the Helio guys PID tuning a quad on butterflight.
ruclips.net/video/oX2RCyVnq6s/видео.html
That's pretty interesting!
Yooo Mr J dude! Thanx again 4 what u do..
Out of curiosity how old is your son? I am asking because i just got my 4yr old daughter a generic quad (eachine E010).. no fpv just yet... she's got great throttle control.. just pitch and roll to go :D
He's seven.
Aha! Something that works great and easily on Spektrum......and wireless:-)
Like that? www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Taranis-X9D-Wireless-Trainer-Using-SBUS-Rec/
thank you for bring up spektrum. I have instructed few people on my T-Rex 550
How to connect the fpv goggles video , please
I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you elaborate?
You need to make sure the cable you use is a stereo cable and bot mono cable!🤔
Can this be done wirelessly
Yes, but you need the right hardware for it.
@@JoshuaBardwell whens that video coming
But work with x lite?
No. X-lite doesn't have buddybox functionality.
@@JoshuaBardwell u are the best m8 i see all your video , thx for all
Good guide. Very little info on this on the net.
X-Lite has no trainer port. Only way to get X-Lite to work for training is to use a wireless buddy box system (often with an RX in the module bay - like Linker from Aloft hobbies - alofthobbies.com/linker.html ). You can get a Module mount kit for the X-Lite from Bangood ( www.banggood.com/JR-Module-Adapter-For-FrSky-X-LITE-TBS-Crossfire-iRangeX-IRX4-Multiprotocol-JR-Type-TX-p-1376003.html )
Trying to get my kids into the hobby is a challenge. How old is your boy? What age is too young?
I think around 5 to 7 years old is the minimum, although there will always be exceptions. Two things you have to consider are the physical coordination to control the sticks and the mental maturity to fly the quad safely. Each kid is going to be different in this respect.
@@JoshuaBardwell haha, my baby is 12 right now. it's hard to get my boy into the hobby. I'm battling video games I guess.
@@NicksMind21 interesting quads won that battle for me. But i am into robotics and always liked flying games so might not be/been the average kid.
When they know Left and Right is when they're old enough.
It's unfortunate that the x-lite doesn't have a trainer port, but I guess when small size is a requirement it means some things get sacrificed. Oh well, I guess I won't be using it for buddy boxing :(
The X-lite has a module Bay so it could work like on the X9D...
www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Taranis-X9D-Wireless-Trainer-Using-SBUS-Rec/
...the pinout of the X-Lite might be different.
@@Haeaeaeaeae I guess that's true, but I've done the internal crossfire mod so I'll never get to find out.
@@Jongiblets I think the mod affects the SPort Pin and not the SBus Pin. SBus communication (controlling the model) works with or without the mod - programming the module/telemetry (SPort) needs the mod to work.
Very interesting
I'm almost 100 percent certain that the Xlite can't be used unfortunately. The jack is for audio only according to the manual. Bummer!
I do think you're right. It doesn't have a trainer port.
yup! you have to add bluetooth module to make work.👎