@@yoshz5389 What? If you put this thing in a decent case you're taking away intake/exhaust for the system. What if you already have an AIO for the CPU? Now you're adding a gpu AIO, there's going to be no airlflow anywhere and what airflow there is is going to be hot. Not to mention putting a 240 AIO where you had a 360 setup prior- further loss of efficiency.
$1749 is a $150 markup from the $1599 retail (not $250). I think that's actually pretty good for a custom cooler (since most Air ones are $50-100). That's the kind of price increase you would see on a 3080 with an AIO.
If you have 1600$ for GPU then extra 150$ is a nice price for lower noise, also i subjectively think that water cooler one will live longer and healthier than others 4090 variants.
@@dachyvashakmadze1871 eh, since all of these coolers are designed for the maximum power target and you should always cap that power target at like 80%, pretty much all cards should be quiet enough
I'm not going to buy a 4090 because it's just too powerful for my needs (1440p on older games) but if I were it'd be this one. The massive size of the other cards are beyond stupidity and might not even fit in my big ass case without using a riser cable. Manufacturers should really look into this kind of stuff more, makes it a much better option.
Imagine pairing one with one of those asrock aqua boards or any other silver or grey metal covered board. With some original silver non rgb dominator platinum! It would be gorgeous.
i just scored this card on amazon, from amazon, for 1799.99... the scalpers are currently selling it for about $2130+. just got lucky and kept checking it. so excited!
Congrats on the catch. 🥳 Gotta obsessively check prices. Today I got it for that price sold and shipped from Newegg. Only 4090 they had in stock, and it's the one I wanted, and I wasn't even checking, since I gave up months ago! I feel so fortunate! 🥲 Been checking since October and they were scalped to hell by other sellers on Amazon and Newegg.
Have had this card for a few weeks now and I'm in love with it. In the last few months I've had a 3080ti gaming trio (during the height of last years shortage), a 6950xt, and a 5700xt. This card is, hands down, the best card I've ever had.
@@applecrow8 - zero complaints. it's been cranking out 4k, rarely ever jumping over 50/60 degrees - even overclocked. love it. hands down, it's one of the best cards I've ever owned.
The hybrid air/water cooling is a nice solution to the fact that most water blocks use shared cooling for the gpu, vrm and memory and were less efficient than some of the higher end air coolers.
I have it mounted in a Corsair 4000D case as an exhaust (out of the front), with a corsair H115i i7-11700k liquid cooler at the top as intake. I switched my back fan to point forward so all the air flows in the same direction. This smaller card with a big case allowed me to put the side panel on without putting real pressure on the power cable, which is a huge deal it appears! The heat is real, and I am glad it is coming out of the case and not into it! CPU stays at 51, GPU stays at 62 under full game load.
Water cooling definitely seems like it’s gonna be the new norm for GPUs, since you can basically cut a card in half and still have good to even better performance
@@bradcole2015 Around the time that I commented, MSI was having issues with premature clogging of their AIO's. Greg Salazar made a couple of videos explaining the situation, but at this point I'm not sure if any of it is still relevant
I like this one the best out of all the AIB models. The design is lovely and the form factor allows it to fit in more cases assuming you can accommodate the radiator. It even costs less than some of the high end air cooled models (looking at you ROG Strix)
Here am I happy with my 4080, runs super cool, great ray tracing and DLSS, great fps, easy on the electric bill and don't have to worry about the connector burning up. But man the things I would do with a 4090 if I had one.
To be fair, the extra $150 for a $1600 isn't bad given the stock version has such a massive cooler. It looks good, it performs good by the looks of things, and it doesn't take up a million slots. I'd say if you have the money for a 4090 you might as well get this one because it's probably quieter and way smaller than the options. Sadly I don't have an extra kidney to give.
Honestly i just like the respect you show to other techtubers including GN and Steve. Ill never get to play with a 4090 but hey thanks for letting me see another cool design😁
@@felixfollmer3527 it depends on a lot of things dude, don't have an attitude like that. Take my case for an example, I work my ass of with overtime and all I could afford was a 4th gen i7 and a gtx1060 6gig.
It should help quite a bit, I tested 4 x 120mm Noctua NF-12 on a Kingpin 2080 TI AIO cooled 240mm radiator with the card pulling ~400 watts in Furmark. The upgraded push pull fan set-up dropped temps 6C to 8C and was much quieter in games.
@@micb3rd yea i have a bunch of those fans never had one fail yet wish that suprim was actually a 360 or a 280 size tough or maybe even thicker seems like they went with slimmest thing they could find.
I would love to see a comparison of previous generation cards to the new 40 series. Not just like 4080 and 3080 but also 20 and 10 series. The evolution in performance and price would be very interesting I think.
It's great that you can just throw it into a test bench, but it would be nice to see products like this put into a case to see any issues that could arise from that. Two AIOs in a case can be weird.
I’d like to see this up against the waterforce from gigabyte and maybe something custom with a 280 or 360. I’d also like to see it used in a SFF build which strikes me as the perfect use case for a hybrid like this.
I have waterforce. It has a lower default clock but you can over clock insanely high. I have mine GPU +185Mhz, memory +1.5Ghz. No issues at all, not even getting hotter. This ends up with GPU always runs over 3Ghz. It has a way bigger copper plate that covers nearly the whole card. Only downside is it doesn't have any RGB.
@@yifeiren8004 "Only downside is it doesn't have any RGB." Thats a big up and not a downside in my book, most gaming hardware has rgb nowadays and its kinda driving me nuts that everything has to glow like a fucking christmastree.
Very nice card! Honestly with the size of air cooled graphics cards, water cooled cards seem better and better since most people don't use AIOs for cpus, and gpus generally use a lot of power.
Wait, most people don’t use AIOs for CPUs? I thought CPU run really hot these days Large air coolers that rivals decent AIOs are rather heavy and stresses the motherboard.
@@kerbodynamicx472 Most people run "gaming" CPUs instead of the top-of-the-line ones and most don't even OC them because unless you're being CPU bound there is really no reason for it, so a good air cooler is all you need to keep the CPU in decent temperature.
@@kerbodynamicx472 They may, stock, but I've managed to make my 5900X run cooler and faster than stock by undervolting (curve on average -25-ish and added just a tiny bit of SoC voltage). Granted, I'm running an AIO now, but an aircooler was sufficient. The benefit is basically lower noise.
I'd love to see a 4090 binning test, get a set of 4090s that would be differently binned (for example the TUF, TUF OC, Strix, and Strix OC) then overclock all of them so we can see how the binning limits manual overclocking and show what you are really getting for the extra few hundred dollars by buying a tier up. I'd expect only the Strix OC has much headroom for overclocking and if you don't get that you should just buy the base model because the in-between models are going to be too expensive for too little.
@@Satarras90 Yeah it's pretty disappointing, it also seems like nVidia are being real jerks and keeping a lot of the good chips to themselves and giving AIBs the dregs which is particularly annoying because in Australia you can't even get a 4090 from nVidia, you have to buy AIB ones.
@@AusSkiller Damn that sucks. Doesn't surprise me though. I want to see shunt voltage mods from Derb8auer the most, that would be interesting to see what's possible/stable.
This is the one card i really want from all the 4090's It is a sweet looking card and it is cheaper then 4-5 of the air cooled cards wich is kinda weird. The card is already such a beast that overclocking is pointless for daily use ( my screen is capped at 120hz anyway)
If you want best price performance, it’s always the best to pick up the cheapest card, the cooling and stuff only change the performance for like 5-8% in the past, and this generation it matters even less with the power and voltage limit. I would say paying 20% more for 3-5% at the top end it’s not worth it but fair.
@@Ryu-z6d Not really that, I just want to see if it actually performs the best, since it technically has the best cooling, to justify that price. These enthusiast grade products never have drastic improvements over the minimum product but little things add up. I want to see if it will like have a 10C difference with some overclocking that pushes the card to the limit, that then produces an advantage over other cards like the Strix or others, that's already interesting enough to see. Regardless of whether or not you will be buying it.
I bought a Evga 1070 ti Hybrid 6 years ago and it has been solid since day 1. When Evga backed out i was hoping another brand would make a hybrid and this is definitely the card I will go for.
Going to miss EVGA GPU's...I've been rockin an EVGA GeForce 1070 super clocked for about as long with no problems whatsoever! I love the hybrid idea for cards.
This is the card to disassemble and try to exotic cool. And/or throw the strix or galax Vbios (which we has the highest power/voltage capabilities) on it to see how it does with more power available. As always, happy to see another video from the team. Thanks guys.
depends on how different this board is than the ASUS or Galax boards. that flashing is very dependent on layout, and seeing how wildly different many of these cards are, id say the chances are slim that those other branded VBIOS' would actually properly flash, rendering an 1800 dollar card bricked.
@@ghomerhust it has multiple bios on the card, it would just be flashing over one of them so that’s not really an issue. Technically it could damage the board if the power phases are significantly worse, but that would be pretty unrealistic. Possible, but not probable
The spec list on the MSI site mentions a 3rd bios, “Extreme Performance (MSI Center)”. The spec shows a higher boost clock. Does anyone know if it affects the max performance much though?
I'd like to see you have a look at gigabyte's waterforce card this time around. it's got a 360mm aio and no on-card fan (which I think means it's got full coverage block?), I'm curious how it performs compared to the others.
This may sound like a stupid question - but why don't they just put the power connector on a different side? On the rear for example or pointed downwards or up? It makes no sense to have to pointed towards the side like they all seem to be doing it. It would just be a matter of running the traces somewhere else or just put a short cable through the cooler fins on the end (where there's no PCB anyway) - and the airflow would keep the cable and plug slightly cooled as well...
Except Gigabyte is a terrible company and I'd never buy anything of value from them, because it's a waste of my time to deal with their uber-crappy RMA service.
I have a question: is it possible to liquid-cool a radiator that is a heat-sink for another liquid cooled CPU/GPU (i.e. have 2 liquid cooling in series)? Have you ever tried that? If so, what were the results?
Perhaps the 530w power limit is a budget allowed for fans & pump out of the 600w total, if they possibly don't get factored into the reported power measurement. Either way, this seems one of the few ways a partner card can differentiate from the FE. Even if its not for the most halo of performance, but at least build configuration.
I'd consider the point of this sound rather than overclocking. Especially if they added that silent mode with a dedicated switch. MSI is smart to add reasonable limits to this considering the power connector issues cropping up. For people that want one of these halo tier cards this one looks like the smartest design IMO.
As someone who had one AIO fail, I would be way too nervous to get one of these. Unless the Manufacturer says they'll have replacements for 10 years it's a hell no from me.
Yep, Got 2 AIOs failing. Each after ~4+ years. That's ok with me, change the AIO. But what do you do when it's glued to a 2k+ card ? Throw the whole card ? That sounds dumb to me.
Apparently the R9 Fury X had defective AIO.... I am using once every day since 2016, not sure if I got lucky, or the issue is not as bad as it seems. I do however think after owning that this long that AIO is kinda unnecesarry and heatsinks look better
Same here. My EVGA 980ti Hybrid served me well for years, but the pump died in the middle of the GPU price explosion. I couldn't find a replacement pump so an otherwise functional graphics card became e-waste. I'll stick with air-cooled from now on.
Is it worth the price? I think Jay said it best at the very end. "You could build an entire system for the price of this card...". I feel this is a perfect response for the entire Nvidia lineup, so far. Hopefully, the more reasonable cards are coming. Until then, I'm completely happy with my 6700xt.
The question isn't whether it's worth the price, it's whether you want or require to performance it provides. If you're happy with 1080p gaming without Ray tracing, then don't get the card, but if you want to experience the best of the best of graphics then this card may be worth it. It's definitely worth the price when 2 overclocked 3090tis have only a 4.8% boost in performance versus 1 overclocked 4090 on the benchmark. Even if the 3090ti dropped to 50% of its release price, you're still looking at $2000 versus $1600 on a 4090 for 5% improvement.
@@ryanthompson3737 Oh, certainly, if you want to have the bleeding edge of ray tracing and 4K, there is currently nothing that can even get close. It beats the best of the last generation so bad it is embarrassing. That said, for the cost of this card, I run high settings on Cyberpunk and pull 70 FPS with no ray tracing at 1440. My entire rig is less than the cost of the card. Case, RAM..everything. The tech is amazing. In my case, though, not worth the upfront cost, the increased power bill, nor the heat.
@@theplayerofus319 That wasn't my point. My point is that a 6700xt CAN'T do max settings on every game at 4k with ray tracing enabled. Hell, this card, on some games, also can't do that. If you tried running it on cyberpunk, you'd be looking at 30-40fps in the intense areas unless you enabled DLSS. Point is that it's definitely worth it if you want the best that modern graphics has to offer, or if you just want to upgrade from a 60hz to a 120hz monitor without hurting graphic quality.
that is easily the nicest looking 4090, I find the others to be blocky and very boring (other than the Zotac ship looking one, I actually love how that card looks)
Agreed. I'm a big fan of both the 30 and 40 series Suprim cards as well as Zotac's 40 series offerings. For the Suprims, I'm just a sucker for brushed metal. I love the look of it. As far as Zotac goes, I think their cards prove that you can have interesting, out-of-the box design that isn't cheap and chintzy. They look funky but make it work. It seems like the other AIBs heard complaints about cards being too "gamer-y" and tried running in the exact opposite direction, except there's still plenty of that "gamer-y" nonsense on their 40 series cards but now the coolers just look like bricks.
It's the nicest looking GPU I've ever seen!! That design is simple yet also with some edges so it's not getting boring and with the brushed gun metal it's just gorgeous. I want more of PC parts looking like this. Imagine case in such a simple but noble design? Why did PC components never get noble and stayed like childish, awful and cheap plastic piles of crap?
Id be curious to see a vid on case ambient temps. With these new power draws, does it still make sense to put an aio on front as an intake? Dumping gpu heat into the case might be worth a revisit.
From the reviews I've seen, that radiator puts out a crazy amount of heat. Dumping 450+W of heat into your case isn't a great idea. I'm interested to see how the temps on this card would do with it mounted as an exhaust with a 13900k water-cooled as an intake, even though I'd never buy a 13900k. That would still be up to 300W of heat pushed into the case. You'd have to choose between a hot CPU or hot GPU.
@@zues287 I have it mounted in a Corsair 4000D case as an exhaust (out of the front), with a H115i i7-11700k liquid cooler at the top as intake. I switched my back fan to point forward so all the air flows in the same direction. This smaller card with a big case allowed me to put the side panel on without putting real pressure on the power cable, which is a huge deal it appears! The heat is real, and I am glad it is coming out of the case and not into it! CPU stays at 51, GPU stays at 62 under full game load.
I set mine up as a side intake on my 5000D Airflow. I have a 360mm AIO as top exhaust cooling my 5900X. The difference in temps (generally) on components and CPU coolant is about 5-6 C higher than without this 4090 and cooler. I had a 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra before. In translation, my temps are all at very acceptable levels and I'm not pumping out that much more heat than before. I'm still messing with my radiator position, but only out of curiosity. It works great as is. I'm loving my new 4090!
Unless your benchmarking or pushing it to its absolute limits you won't hit anywhere near 400w of power. I tried with mine. Best I could get was 280w at 4k@120
TL:DR - This card with a larger case like the Corsair 4000D allowed me to put the side panel on the case without any real pressure on the power cable. It DOES touch the glass, but doesn't put pressure on the connector - it is easily 35mm away from the connector as Jay was pointing out in another video. So this card and a big case may be one of the few cards that can have the side panel on safely.
There should be a right angle adapter for the new power connector. Straight down would prevent the cable from sagging down and folding further due to heat and gravity
Aftermarket right angle adapters are confirmed and on the way. I have a feeling Nvidia is going to have to include a new right angle adapter instead of the one they have now with all their future 40 series sales.
MSI has MSI Dragon(i think it got renamed recently)but has a lot of the stuff in one app with modules. but the ease of use of MSI afterberner is much better and the built in RTSS is nice too.
hey Jay, love your videos always. I personally have that GPU and it is amazing. the only thing that suffers from time to time if you push it on an overclock is the memory. sometimes it gets a little warm.
@@malzaharkhalil3833 it will degrade overtime for sure, yes. Had a suprim X 3080 with high mem temps on day 1. When I sold it it was over 95*C while light gaming, would heat my room so bad.
@@malzaharkhalil3833 Use it and sell it as soon as the 5k series drops or when you can upgrade wothout losing 50% value, it still worked it was just burned in. They use cheap thermal pads and paste for the memory but forget overclocking the memory. The gpu's are binned but the memory chip will hold you back for sure.
If I had the $ for a 4090 (and the huge electricity bill afterwards lol), I'd buy this one! 😅 Thanks Jay you're my go-to especially in busy tech seasons like this
@@raffi2287 Do you pay for your Power bill? Do you live in an area with Expensive Electricity? If not of course you wouldnt understand you fool. If you cannot fathom why having a GPU pull 450-600W is an issue on a consumer platform, you are clearly not a very thoughtful person. 1080ti Was a 250W card, 4090 is almost double that in terms of power and yes it blows it out of the water in performance. NVidia is at fault because they pushed certain aspects of the cable and power, if you didnt think they were involved then you are just simply not looking at things realistically. If you are stupid enough to buy a 4090 just for gaming, congrats you probably also want to show off expensive crap to make yourself feel better over people rather then actually caring about it. Far to many people buy 4090s to feel better about themselves compared to others rather then actually needing one. That mindset always ends up being toxic, and maybe one day you will see but i highly doubt youll get your head out of your ass. Also AMD has said they arent using the 16 pin, multiple times so not sure why you keep spreading that. Partner cards might, but the reference one is not.
@@raffi2287 Why so hostile? Some people can’t afford high end cards because its too much money but they still wish to have them ( I was one lol ). Different people have different priorities. In my end, my 4090 uses about the same wattage (up to 40w more) than my previous 3080 ti. Not big e for me.
@@iCuStOmPR I'm not hostile brother, if you saw who I was replying to, you'd understand why I was speaking to him like that. He has since deleted his comment and "liked" my response, showing that he was admitting to his fault telling me to "get my head out of my ass"
I have the money. I just don't know what I need for this card. I already have a PC but I guess my PSU is not good enough. CPU is not good enough. And I think my case is too small. But idk. And what if my motherboard isn't good enough? Or does that not matter?
It will be interesting to see if this AIO GPU will have the same issues as the MSI CPU AIO's have had recently and clog up with debris after just a few months of use? (just a random thought....?)
If Jay had actually bothered to check the MEM temperature, you would see it is higher than most air cooled cards except the FE. MSI uses an AIO style block with a plate that extends to the RAM, unlike full coverage blocks with channels over the RAM and VRM. Doesn't mean it isn't still a great card in terms of noise, size, and performance, nor that the memory runs too hot, it just isn't what you might except given the drop in GPU temps.
Yeah I guess it can't have been easy. But for me it was slightly off-putting that whenever Jay paused speaking the fan noise disappeared due to noise suppression(?) but then came back as soon as he started speaking. I would have preferred the same background fan noise continously
Another thing to worry about with this card is that MSI has a history of not adding enough anti-microbial solution in their liquid AIOs, causing mold or algae to develop inside the AIO over time. Greg Salazar has been fighting them on this for years.
This card limits power because it has to account for also needing to power a pump and full size fans through the same power connector. It's about keeping the new connector within spec
You can actually change out the fans on the AIO cooler to Noctua ones that will help with temps. I like the card as it's not so bulky like the other air-cooled cards released.
This is honestly how ALL 300W+ TDP card should look like. Even better if they would get rid of the small fan and make it single slot. VRM really does not add that much of heat and the only reason why it is done is because they penny pinching on making custom cold plate to cover whole card. Water cooling is the only way to go with such cards... Fury X did the right thing and that was amazingly cool and quiet card despite being thermal beast (sadly it wasn't very competitive otherwise). I had pleasure to own Strix OC LC 6900XT and I have never seen temperature climb past 50C and most of the time fans would not even turn! That is how it should be! Not the stupid 4 slot PC sizes idiotic monsters like reference 4080s and 4090s.
@@drkastenbrot What a load of BS! I had Fury X since it was launched and did absolutely no extra maintenance. Sure maybe some dust accumulates on the radiator and fan which applies to anything, but in this case is much easier to access and clean! I have 6900XT water cooled for over a year now, again no maintenance whatsoever.... in fact I didn't even have to clean the fan/radiator because 80% of the time fans don't even spin, so dust simply doesn't accumulate as quickly. I guess for custom loop that maybe an issue, but even then... unless you want to change the colour of the loop or you purchased bad quality dye and it degraded... it pretty much never needs any maintenance. So what you talking about is BULLSHIT... water requires way less maintenance than air, not more... and in case of AiO it is maintenance free.
@@drkastenbrot on custom loop... even then if you have suitably sized reservoir this will likely outlast any system (i.e. 5 years+) and even then it is as simply as adding distilled water into reservoir. AiO in my experience is maintenance free as no maintenance was required well after Fury X became obsolete (8 years)... it still spins to this day and performance is more than adequate (in fact I don't think it degraded at all). Again - seems like your experience is nothing more than rumours and exaggerations. I can agree that custom loops may require some maintenance, but that in comparison is less than cleaning dust stuck in air cooled GPUS... what is even worse is that many requires removal of entire cooler just to clean the dust (especially reference designs) and they are way worse than water cooling maintenance when you have to repaste and replace pads on GPU. So all in all - the statement that water requires more maintenance than air only applies in some very specific circumstances and on balance of probability is unlikely.
FYI around the 9:15 mark when you're talking about the ambient noise from the fans at max rpm, the noise gate on your mic is cutting all of the audio, so we can only hear it in the video when you're talking. Just a thought, Cheers
1) $1749 is a $150 premium over FE, not $250 2) It is $250 cheaper than the Strix 3) The orientation you showed for vertical radiator placement is upside down, you want the tubes going to the bottom, so the air sits at the top of the rap without tubes 4) I beat your Port Royale score by almost 100 points with the Suprim Liquid X on a weaker CPU (5950x). Get rekt.
What is the warranty experience like with MSI and how long in the warranty? I'm an EVGA fanboy so I'm trying to decide who to buy from in the future. The only company I will never buy from again is Gigabyte - I owned a Gigabyte video card in the past and trying to get it replaced due to issues was a huge headache, so never again. I'm considering Asus, MSI and Founders Edition at the moment, but probably won't actually buy for a while.
Hello Jay , just a stupid question here : I noticed at 02:00 that the bios was set to Silent. Wouldn't (shouldn't ? ) the Gaming bios offer more leeway for overclocking ?
The metal and understated look makes it look sooo good instead of looking like a transformer covered in flashy shit. I kinda miss the old days when you could get a blower card that would perform decent enough and look nice in a build
I don’t know if it’s possible or if Asus will even come out with one but If they do can you review the white 4090 and the suprim x ( want to have a white build ). Any white ddr5 amd expo 6k or more?
I mentioned this to Paul's hardware channel. Oddly enough, I have this card and originally ordered a corsair 1000psu and the power limit on after burner was 120%. I had to return it because it had very loud coil whine (found faulty) and I ordered a be quiet 1000w psu to replace it. The power limit on after burner went to 125% for some reason? This is with the surpim X liquid. Also, I turned off the zero rpm feature, I really didn't like a 50 degree brick sitting at the centre of my case, exchanged it for a typical fan curve and idle temps went down to 25s-30s and seems to stay a lot cooler in use. Cheers Jay.
Did you tried the 600W bios some have extracted from the same card (seems some of those supreme liquid have a 600w so they shared it) ? It would be really interesting to compare those
I did a whole platform upgrade (everything except case and PSU) with a GTX1070 GPU in 2016 for half the price of one of these cards. The whole system running less than 200W. The world sure has gone bonkers
it have dual bios there , so you won't kill it , just flash other bios and see , if it not working get back to second bios. overwrite the "silent" bios for testing
I have the MSI Gaming Trio & play all my games max settings 4k reso on a Odyssey G7 monitor. Even then my card does not even go over 60. Seems Nvidia definitely fixed the heating issues that plagued the 3090s 🤙
hey @JayzTwoCents possibly a bit late now but I've had that same bricking issue doing the same BIOS flashing shenanigans (more than once!). My usual solution is to bung the brick into a secondary slot and plug something not-Nvidia in as the primary card - it might show how often I've done this that I keep an ancient ATI (yes, pre-AMD!) Radeon x1300 (passive, slot powered) card in the tool box for just this. Then boot up windows and fire up nvflash. No it doesn't matter at all that Windows doesn't recognise the card, just that nvflash does see something flashable (this is why AMD card, nvflash won't see it). This is also why the toolkit has an old x58 BIOS based board that boots up straight DOS - very occasionally this is the only way to get the card recognised by nvflash. My experience is NV cards are really hard to brick without actual hardware failure - and yes, I've flashed/bricked a revA quadro with a revB Quadro firmware and resurrected it in 20 minutes with the correct bios.
Need a standard introduced on controlling control leds so if you get one component it will just work out of the box on your primary software of choice will be cheaper for all
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The fact it’s so much smaller makes this model appealing. Will actually fit into cases lol
only if you have an appropriate place for the radiator, which a lot of cases do not have.
@@stuartfury3390 personally if you have a case that doesn’t take front and top fans you should be more worried about a new case than a expensive GPU
@@yoshz5389 What? If you put this thing in a decent case you're taking away intake/exhaust for the system. What if you already have an AIO for the CPU? Now you're adding a gpu AIO, there's going to be no airlflow anywhere and what airflow there is is going to be hot. Not to mention putting a 240 AIO where you had a 360 setup prior- further loss of efficiency.
and most vertical mounts, since some cases like the DG 77 only admits 2 slots thick cards for vetical mounting.
@@stuartfury3390 Even my SFF cases have room for 240mm man. It’s harder to find a case that won’t fit them these days.
$1749 is a $150 markup from the $1599 retail (not $250). I think that's actually pretty good for a custom cooler (since most Air ones are $50-100). That's the kind of price increase you would see on a 3080 with an AIO.
If you have 1600$ for GPU then extra 150$ is a nice price for lower noise, also i subjectively think that water cooler one will live longer and healthier than others 4090 variants.
@@dachyvashakmadze1871 eh, since all of these coolers are designed for the maximum power target and you should always cap that power target at like 80%, pretty much all cards should be quiet enough
Yes. Sound like a reasonable price to me. Fun fact: in Germany its about 3000€.
@@OnkelHucke yeah our GPU market is an absolute scam at the moment
@@OnkelHucke ai ai..i thought it was bad here in Norway but it is 2600EUR including 25% tax.
Hope more manufacturers experiment with cooling because the 4090 is huge otherwise
I'm not going to buy a 4090 because it's just too powerful for my needs (1440p on older games) but if I were it'd be this one.
The massive size of the other cards are beyond stupidity and might not even fit in my big ass case without using a riser cable.
Manufacturers should really look into this kind of stuff more, makes it a much better option.
any GPU taking more than 2 slots should be forbidden by law
@@SickPrid3 Your comment doesn't even make sense in a comedic context
Alot of water cool graphics cards are coming to the market soon, they already have them for the 3080 all the way to 3090ti
@@PutsOnSneakers why don't you get off YT and fix some shit. Satan is fucking around and you scroll through comment section
The design looks industrial and super premium! Amazing design! The best of all 4090 cards so far imo!
Imagine pairing one with one of those asrock aqua boards or any other silver or grey metal covered board. With some original silver non rgb dominator platinum! It would be gorgeous.
the tube and power cable kill the perfect aesthetic 😔, messy af
The Suprim aesthetic is really nice. Clean and crisp. Pleasing to look at.
im waiting to see what AMD bring but at the moment this card is the top of my list small good cooling and a awesome looking card !!
The ROG strix model is the quietest and coolest running.
i just scored this card on amazon, from amazon, for 1799.99... the scalpers are currently selling it for about $2130+. just got lucky and kept checking it. so excited!
Congrats on the catch. 🥳 Gotta obsessively check prices. Today I got it for that price sold and shipped from Newegg. Only 4090 they had in stock, and it's the one I wanted, and I wasn't even checking, since I gave up months ago!
I feel so fortunate! 🥲
Been checking since October and they were scalped to hell by other sellers on Amazon and Newegg.
Have had this card for a few weeks now and I'm in love with it. In the last few months I've had a 3080ti gaming trio (during the height of last years shortage), a 6950xt, and a 5700xt. This card is, hands down, the best card I've ever had.
It’s truly a beautiful card. Im so glad I waited instead of making a poor 3090 impulse buy
looking at this card now, 1 year out how do you feel about it?
@@applecrow8 - zero complaints. it's been cranking out 4k, rarely ever jumping over 50/60 degrees - even overclocked. love it. hands down, it's one of the best cards I've ever owned.
The hybrid air/water cooling is a nice solution to the fact that most water blocks use shared cooling for the gpu, vrm and memory and were less efficient than some of the higher end air coolers.
I have it mounted in a Corsair 4000D case as an exhaust (out of the front), with a corsair H115i i7-11700k liquid cooler at the top as intake. I switched my back fan to point forward so all the air flows in the same direction. This smaller card with a big case allowed me to put the side panel on without putting real pressure on the power cable, which is a huge deal it appears! The heat is real, and I am glad it is coming out of the case and not into it! CPU stays at 51, GPU stays at 62 under full game load.
is there gpu coil whine? i play at 1440p 240hz or 4k with DLDSR Upscaling
Water cooling definitely seems like it’s gonna be the new norm for GPUs, since you can basically cut a card in half and still have good to even better performance
Someone should do a teardown on this card after months of use to check if these are having the same issues as their CPU AIO’s
Elaborate please
@@bradcole2015 Around the time that I commented, MSI was having issues with premature clogging of their AIO's. Greg Salazar made a couple of videos explaining the situation, but at this point I'm not sure if any of it is still relevant
@macsgo2hell Legend, thanks for reply. I will check the vids out. 👊
I like this one the best out of all the AIB models. The design is lovely and the form factor allows it to fit in more cases assuming you can accommodate the radiator. It even costs less than some of the high end air cooled models (looking at you ROG Strix)
Righttt!!??
Cuz MSI is junk that’s why it costs less
@@NahBNah this is the best your two braincells could've done??
Yeah I honestly just don’t understand how asus thinks their card is worth almost 25% more than msrp.
@@MisterRorschach90 Asus is the Apple of AIB GPU's.
Here am I happy with my 4080, runs super cool, great ray tracing and DLSS, great fps, easy on the electric bill and don't have to worry about the connector burning up. But man the things I would do with a 4090 if I had one.
wouldn't u mind giving it to me? lol, great card!
I mean what would you do differently lmao.
What would you do with a 4090? I just got one and ready to do all kinds of stuff.
To be fair, the extra $150 for a $1600 isn't bad given the stock version has such a massive cooler. It looks good, it performs good by the looks of things, and it doesn't take up a million slots. I'd say if you have the money for a 4090 you might as well get this one because it's probably quieter and way smaller than the options. Sadly I don't have an extra kidney to give.
I hope you get more 4090's and unlocked voltage control. I really enjoy the ripgn series!
Honestly i just like the respect you show to other techtubers including GN and Steve. Ill never get to play with a 4090 but hey thanks for letting me see another cool design😁
I’m with you. It’s depressing when you see these guys getting to play with top tier hardware and I’m still on an RX 580.
@@jamezxh how about go work a couple of hours and buy a 3070?
@@felixfollmer3527 unnecessary
@@felixfollmer3527 it depends on a lot of things dude, don't have an attitude like that. Take my case for an example, I work my ass of with overtime and all I could afford was a 4th gen i7 and a gtx1060 6gig.
@@felixfollmer3527 depends on your country, responsibilities, situation etc.
cant just buy stuff
Amazing that everyone on RUclips is able to find these cards in stock, I am unable to catch any of them in stock.
What i would like to see is replace those fans for push/pull noctua 120mm ones to see how much difference that makes sound/thermals wise.
It should help quite a bit, I tested 4 x 120mm Noctua NF-12 on a Kingpin 2080 TI AIO cooled 240mm radiator with the card pulling ~400 watts in Furmark. The upgraded push pull fan set-up dropped temps 6C to 8C and was much quieter in games.
@@micb3rd yea i have a bunch of those fans never had one fail yet wish that suprim was actually a 360 or a 280 size tough or maybe even thicker seems like they went with slimmest thing they could find.
Just an FYI: This is sold out on Newegg, but it had a retail, MSRP price of $1,749.99 if you selected Sold by Newegg and Shipped by Newegg.
This is good stuff what I wanted to see. I would assume custom loop would even better cooling. This is the stuff of magic keep it up Jay.
I literally cannot wait to see the future liquid cooled builds and to see the results it's gonna be fun!
@@Acehole262 woohoo 3-5% more performance!
I would love to see a comparison of previous generation cards to the new 40 series. Not just like 4080 and 3080 but also 20 and 10 series. The evolution in performance and price would be very interesting I think.
Basically game can’t run to game can run
It's great that you can just throw it into a test bench, but it would be nice to see products like this put into a case to see any issues that could arise from that. Two AIOs in a case can be weird.
I'm kinda surprised there were no comments about how the fluid tubing doubles down on the power connector issue of fitting inside a case...
I’d like to see this up against the waterforce from gigabyte and maybe something custom with a 280 or 360. I’d also like to see it used in a SFF build which strikes me as the perfect use case for a hybrid like this.
Inno3D has one with a custom waterblock too, so there's plenty of options.
Battle of the junk brands lol
I have waterforce. It has a lower default clock but you can over clock insanely high. I have mine GPU +185Mhz, memory +1.5Ghz. No issues at all, not even getting hotter. This ends up with GPU always runs over 3Ghz.
It has a way bigger copper plate that covers nearly the whole card. Only downside is it doesn't have any RGB.
@@yifeiren8004 "Only downside is it doesn't have any RGB."
Thats a big up and not a downside in my book, most gaming hardware has rgb nowadays and its kinda driving me nuts that everything has to glow like a fucking christmastree.
@@Skid235 I like Christmas tree :(
when I turn on my FE 1080 fan to 100p its like a plane taking off
Very nice card! Honestly with the size of air cooled graphics cards, water cooled cards seem better and better since most people don't use AIOs for cpus, and gpus generally use a lot of power.
Wait, most people don’t use AIOs for CPUs? I thought CPU run really hot these days
Large air coolers that rivals decent AIOs are rather heavy and stresses the motherboard.
@@kerbodynamicx472 most people get midrange cpus not 13900k or whatever so decent air cooler is fine.
@@kerbodynamicx472 Most people run "gaming" CPUs instead of the top-of-the-line ones and most don't even OC them because unless you're being CPU bound there is really no reason for it, so a good air cooler is all you need to keep the CPU in decent temperature.
My main reason for an AIO CPU cooler is noise levels, not thermal throttling.
@@kerbodynamicx472 They may, stock, but I've managed to make my 5900X run cooler and faster than stock by undervolting (curve on average -25-ish and added just a tiny bit of SoC voltage). Granted, I'm running an AIO now, but an aircooler was sufficient. The benefit is basically lower noise.
I'd love to see a 4090 binning test, get a set of 4090s that would be differently binned (for example the TUF, TUF OC, Strix, and Strix OC) then overclock all of them so we can see how the binning limits manual overclocking and show what you are really getting for the extra few hundred dollars by buying a tier up. I'd expect only the Strix OC has much headroom for overclocking and if you don't get that you should just buy the base model because the in-between models are going to be too expensive for too little.
> I'd love to see a 4090 binning teat,
That's milking it a bit, isn't it?
@@MrMartinSchou LOL whoops, typo
lowest increase generation we've had so far vs founder's, all the cards are voltage limited to a large degree.
@@Satarras90 Yeah it's pretty disappointing, it also seems like nVidia are being real jerks and keeping a lot of the good chips to themselves and giving AIBs the dregs which is particularly annoying because in Australia you can't even get a 4090 from nVidia, you have to buy AIB ones.
@@AusSkiller Damn that sucks. Doesn't surprise me though. I want to see shunt voltage mods from Derb8auer the most, that would be interesting to see what's possible/stable.
Thanks for another great video Jay. I'd like to see how the Gigabyte Waterforce 4090 compares to the Surprim.
@@uluth I was wondering what the hell that was? I've not seen that before. I was pretty sure it wasn't Jay.
This is the one card i really want from all the 4090's It is a sweet looking card and it is cheaper then 4-5 of the air cooled cards wich is kinda weird. The card is already such a beast that overclocking is pointless for daily use ( my screen is capped at 120hz anyway)
Do the AORUS 360mm radiator card next. Curious if it's going to perform better than other versions given the 1900 asking price.
If you want best price performance, it’s always the best to pick up the cheapest card, the cooling and stuff only change the performance for like 5-8% in the past, and this generation it matters even less with the power and voltage limit. I would say paying 20% more for 3-5% at the top end it’s not worth it but fair.
@@Ryu-z6d Not really that, I just want to see if it actually performs the best, since it technically has the best cooling, to justify that price. These enthusiast grade products never have drastic improvements over the minimum product but little things add up. I want to see if it will like have a 10C difference with some overclocking that pushes the card to the limit, that then produces an advantage over other cards like the Strix or others, that's already interesting enough to see. Regardless of whether or not you will be buying it.
I bought a Evga 1070 ti Hybrid 6 years ago and it has been solid since day 1. When Evga backed out i was hoping another brand would make a hybrid and this is definitely the card I will go for.
Going to miss EVGA GPU's...I've been rockin an EVGA GeForce 1070 super clocked for about as long with no problems whatsoever! I love the hybrid idea for cards.
i love how people think itll catch fire out of nowhere do your research lmao
😅
This is the card to disassemble and try to exotic cool. And/or throw the strix or galax Vbios (which we has the highest power/voltage capabilities) on it to see how it does with more power available.
As always, happy to see another video from the team. Thanks guys.
depends on how different this board is than the ASUS or Galax boards. that flashing is very dependent on layout, and seeing how wildly different many of these cards are, id say the chances are slim that those other branded VBIOS' would actually properly flash, rendering an 1800 dollar card bricked.
@@ghomerhust it has multiple bios on the card, it would just be flashing over one of them so that’s not really an issue. Technically it could damage the board if the power phases are significantly worse, but that would be pretty unrealistic. Possible, but not probable
Someone has a 600w Vbios for the Suprim X liquid on the overclocking forums. I was able to flash mine today
The spec list on the MSI site mentions a 3rd bios, “Extreme Performance (MSI Center)”. The spec shows a higher boost clock. Does anyone know if it affects the max performance much though?
Ya my card is stuck a 100% power limit better then 93%
Totally agree about afterburner needing RGB control capabilities
I'd like to see you have a look at gigabyte's waterforce card this time around. it's got a 360mm aio and no on-card fan (which I think means it's got full coverage block?), I'm curious how it performs compared to the others.
The liquid x covers all vrm and die.
This may sound like a stupid question - but why don't they just put the power connector on a different side? On the rear for example or pointed downwards or up? It makes no sense to have to pointed towards the side like they all seem to be doing it. It would just be a matter of running the traces somewhere else or just put a short cable through the cooler fins on the end (where there's no PCB anyway) - and the airflow would keep the cable and plug slightly cooled as well...
I'm curious how this compares to the Gigabyte Waterforce card. I'd like to know if the bigger rad and full block work better than this hybrid design
Right bro gigabyte card seem like a challenger too
Except Gigabyte is a terrible company and I'd never buy anything of value from them, because it's a waste of my time to deal with their uber-crappy RMA service.
Shouldnt the pipes enter the radiator BELOW pump level, id est shouldnt radiator be upside down to what it is now?
I have a question: is it possible to liquid-cool a radiator that is a heat-sink for another liquid cooled CPU/GPU (i.e. have 2 liquid cooling in series)? Have you ever tried that? If so, what were the results?
Perhaps the 530w power limit is a budget allowed for fans & pump out of the 600w total, if they possibly don't get factored into the reported power measurement.
Either way, this seems one of the few ways a partner card can differentiate from the FE. Even if its not for the most halo of performance, but at least build configuration.
Phil please stop cutting out the background noise, we need to hear fans in a room environment
Pretty sure the mic is on auto voice. Super jarring.
@@anothernate3302 Proper annoying
I'd consider the point of this sound rather than overclocking. Especially if they added that silent mode with a dedicated switch. MSI is smart to add reasonable limits to this considering the power connector issues cropping up. For people that want one of these halo tier cards this one looks like the smartest design IMO.
As someone who had one AIO fail, I would be way too nervous to get one of these. Unless the Manufacturer says they'll have replacements for 10 years it's a hell no from me.
Yep, Got 2 AIOs failing. Each after ~4+ years. That's ok with me, change the AIO.
But what do you do when it's glued to a 2k+ card ? Throw the whole card ? That sounds dumb to me.
Yeah AIO water cooling always makes me worry about failure, heatsinks are just reliable
Apparently the R9 Fury X had defective AIO.... I am using once every day since 2016, not sure if I got lucky, or the issue is not as bad as it seems. I do however think after owning that this long that AIO is kinda unnecesarry and heatsinks look better
Same here. My EVGA 980ti Hybrid served me well for years, but the pump died in the middle of the GPU price explosion. I couldn't find a replacement pump so an otherwise functional graphics card became e-waste. I'll stick with air-cooled from now on.
Time to get back to the gym for me. I just thought I saw myself in the mirror.
Is it worth the price? I think Jay said it best at the very end. "You could build an entire system for the price of this card...". I feel this is a perfect response for the entire Nvidia lineup, so far. Hopefully, the more reasonable cards are coming. Until then, I'm completely happy with my 6700xt.
There were 2 of theM on the shelf of my local micro center. Retail $1800
The question isn't whether it's worth the price, it's whether you want or require to performance it provides. If you're happy with 1080p gaming without Ray tracing, then don't get the card, but if you want to experience the best of the best of graphics then this card may be worth it.
It's definitely worth the price when 2 overclocked 3090tis have only a 4.8% boost in performance versus 1 overclocked 4090 on the benchmark. Even if the 3090ti dropped to 50% of its release price, you're still looking at $2000 versus $1600 on a 4090 for 5% improvement.
@@ryanthompson3737 a 6700xt is still a great 1440p card for easaly 2 years
@@ryanthompson3737 Oh, certainly, if you want to have the bleeding edge of ray tracing and 4K, there is currently nothing that can even get close. It beats the best of the last generation so bad it is embarrassing.
That said, for the cost of this card, I run high settings on Cyberpunk and pull 70 FPS with no ray tracing at 1440. My entire rig is less than the cost of the card. Case, RAM..everything. The tech is amazing. In my case, though, not worth the upfront cost, the increased power bill, nor the heat.
@@theplayerofus319 That wasn't my point. My point is that a 6700xt CAN'T do max settings on every game at 4k with ray tracing enabled. Hell, this card, on some games, also can't do that. If you tried running it on cyberpunk, you'd be looking at 30-40fps in the intense areas unless you enabled DLSS.
Point is that it's definitely worth it if you want the best that modern graphics has to offer, or if you just want to upgrade from a 60hz to a 120hz monitor without hurting graphic quality.
If you can't replace the coolant, AiO GPU Hybrids have an expiration date. That's the inconvenient side of liquid cooled cards.
that is easily the nicest looking 4090, I find the others to be blocky and very boring (other than the Zotac ship looking one, I actually love how that card looks)
Agreed. I'm a big fan of both the 30 and 40 series Suprim cards as well as Zotac's 40 series offerings. For the Suprims, I'm just a sucker for brushed metal. I love the look of it. As far as Zotac goes, I think their cards prove that you can have interesting, out-of-the box design that isn't cheap and chintzy. They look funky but make it work. It seems like the other AIBs heard complaints about cards being too "gamer-y" and tried running in the exact opposite direction, except there's still plenty of that "gamer-y" nonsense on their 40 series cards but now the coolers just look like bricks.
It's the nicest looking GPU I've ever seen!!
That design is simple yet also with some edges so it's not getting boring and with the brushed gun metal it's just gorgeous. I want more of PC parts looking like this. Imagine case in such a simple but noble design?
Why did PC components never get noble and stayed like childish, awful and cheap plastic piles of crap?
definatley one the best looking and designed gpu's so far, nice to see a smaller form factor.
we need more iFixIt adds !! :)
You can fix it WITH! IFIXIT!!!!
This is literally the only 4090 that doesn't look ridiculous
Id be curious to see a vid on case ambient temps. With these new power draws, does it still make sense to put an aio on front as an intake? Dumping gpu heat into the case might be worth a revisit.
From the reviews I've seen, that radiator puts out a crazy amount of heat. Dumping 450+W of heat into your case isn't a great idea. I'm interested to see how the temps on this card would do with it mounted as an exhaust with a 13900k water-cooled as an intake, even though I'd never buy a 13900k. That would still be up to 300W of heat pushed into the case. You'd have to choose between a hot CPU or hot GPU.
@@zues287 I have it mounted in a Corsair 4000D case as an exhaust (out of the front), with a H115i i7-11700k liquid cooler at the top as intake. I switched my back fan to point forward so all the air flows in the same direction. This smaller card with a big case allowed me to put the side panel on without putting real pressure on the power cable, which is a huge deal it appears! The heat is real, and I am glad it is coming out of the case and not into it! CPU stays at 51, GPU stays at 62 under full game load.
I set mine up as a side intake on my 5000D Airflow. I have a 360mm AIO as top exhaust cooling my 5900X. The difference in temps (generally) on components and CPU coolant is about 5-6 C higher than without this 4090 and cooler. I had a 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra before. In translation, my temps are all at very acceptable levels and I'm not pumping out that much more heat than before. I'm still messing with my radiator position, but only out of curiosity. It works great as is. I'm loving my new 4090!
Unless your benchmarking or pushing it to its absolute limits you won't hit anywhere near 400w of power. I tried with mine. Best I could get was 280w at 4k@120
TL:DR - This card with a larger case like the Corsair 4000D allowed me to put the side panel on the case without any real pressure on the power cable. It DOES touch the glass, but doesn't put pressure on the connector - it is easily 35mm away from the connector as Jay was pointing out in another video. So this card and a big case may be one of the few cards that can have the side panel on safely.
There should be a right angle adapter for the new power connector. Straight down would prevent the cable from sagging down and folding further due to heat and gravity
Aftermarket right angle adapters are confirmed and on the way. I have a feeling Nvidia is going to have to include a new right angle adapter instead of the one they have now with all their future 40 series sales.
MSI has MSI Dragon(i think it got renamed recently)but has a lot of the stuff in one app with modules. but the ease of use of MSI afterberner is much better and the built in RTSS is nice too.
hey Jay, love your videos always. I personally have that GPU and it is amazing. the only thing that suffers from time to time if you push it on an overclock is the memory. sometimes it gets a little warm.
Wait in 1 year 🤣🤣🤣
@@the1observer Sorry I don't understand, do you mean the memory chips will have issues due to long term high thermal operation?
@@malzaharkhalil3833 it will degrade overtime for sure, yes. Had a suprim X 3080 with high mem temps on day 1. When I sold it it was over 95*C while light gaming, would heat my room so bad.
@@the1observer oh my, that's not good. I was looking forward to the RTX 4090 suprim x (air cooled version) when it was back in stock. 🥲
@@malzaharkhalil3833 Use it and sell it as soon as the 5k series drops or when you can upgrade wothout losing 50% value, it still worked it was just burned in. They use cheap thermal pads and paste for the memory but forget overclocking the memory. The gpu's are binned but the memory chip will hold you back for sure.
Im so glad i bought this in 2023
1750 dollar? it costs about 2500 euro in The Netherlands 😬
Got mine for $3670 AUD 😅
Damn😂. Imma buy a hand full here and sell them for you guys for cheaper 2399 euro 😉
Hoses at the bottom of the rad in vertical mount Jay!😉
If I had the $ for a 4090 (and the huge electricity bill afterwards lol), I'd buy this one! 😅 Thanks Jay you're my go-to especially in busy tech seasons like this
@@raffi2287 Do you pay for your Power bill? Do you live in an area with Expensive Electricity? If not of course you wouldnt understand you fool. If you cannot fathom why having a GPU pull 450-600W is an issue on a consumer platform, you are clearly not a very thoughtful person. 1080ti Was a 250W card, 4090 is almost double that in terms of power and yes it blows it out of the water in performance. NVidia is at fault because they pushed certain aspects of the cable and power, if you didnt think they were involved then you are just simply not looking at things realistically. If you are stupid enough to buy a 4090 just for gaming, congrats you probably also want to show off expensive crap to make yourself feel better over people rather then actually caring about it. Far to many people buy 4090s to feel better about themselves compared to others rather then actually needing one. That mindset always ends up being toxic, and maybe one day you will see but i highly doubt youll get your head out of your ass.
Also AMD has said they arent using the 16 pin, multiple times so not sure why you keep spreading that. Partner cards might, but the reference one is not.
@@raffi2287 Why so hostile? Some people can’t afford high end cards because its too much money but they still wish to have them ( I was one lol ). Different people have different priorities. In my end, my 4090 uses about the same wattage (up to 40w more) than my previous 3080 ti. Not big e for me.
@@iCuStOmPR I'm not hostile brother, if you saw who I was replying to, you'd understand why I was speaking to him like that. He has since deleted his comment and "liked" my response, showing that he was admitting to his fault telling me to "get my head out of my ass"
It's almost winter, so it's free heat while gaming. Just the way I got free heat while mining last winter.
I have the money. I just don't know what I need for this card. I already have a PC but I guess my PSU is not good enough. CPU is not good enough. And I think my case is too small. But idk. And what if my motherboard isn't good enough? Or does that not matter?
Would like to know more about the pump acoustics while idling.
I like the idea of aio on these cards but the Aorus water force has the right idea having the tubes come out the end instead of side.
the fact that it still needs a fan on the card blows my mind...
really looking to see AMD's new card, and how it matches against nvidia.
It will be interesting to see if this AIO GPU will have the same issues as the MSI CPU AIO's have had recently and clog up with debris after just a few months of use? (just a random thought....?)
If Jay had actually bothered to check the MEM temperature, you would see it is higher than most air cooled cards except the FE. MSI uses an AIO style block with a plate that extends to the RAM, unlike full coverage blocks with channels over the RAM and VRM. Doesn't mean it isn't still a great card in terms of noise, size, and performance, nor that the memory runs too hot, it just isn't what you might except given the drop in GPU temps.
Msi posted on their forums that Msi dragon center has a bios update that will fix the 110 power limit to 130…
Hats off to Phil or whoever edited audio on this when it came to the fan. I see you!
Yeah I guess it can't have been easy. But for me it was slightly off-putting that whenever Jay paused speaking the fan noise disappeared due to noise suppression(?) but then came back as soon as he started speaking. I would have preferred the same background fan noise continously
Another thing to worry about with this card is that MSI has a history of not adding enough anti-microbial solution in their liquid AIOs, causing mold or algae to develop inside the AIO over time. Greg Salazar has been fighting them on this for years.
I hope they're not using the same part that they're claiming "a small amount" of which were affected.
But it's MSI, soooo.... IDK
This card limits power because it has to account for also needing to power a pump and full size fans through the same power connector. It's about keeping the new connector within spec
You can actually change out the fans on the AIO cooler to Noctua ones that will help with temps. I like the card as it's not so bulky like the other air-cooled cards released.
Thumbs up for saying SUPRIM correctly.
Hey Pauls Hardware….take notes.
Getting a lot of hissing from your microphone there. May wanna look into that.
I don't usually like Msi graphic cards but this one is the best 4090 in my opinion! I hope to see from every company a liquid cooled 4090!
what?? msi makes beautiful ones
I don't like em as a whole . I prefer Asus or Evga or w/e msi is not my cup of tea it's my opinion it has nothing to do with your opinion.
100% on the Afterburner request. Mystic Light is just soooo ugh.
This is honestly how ALL 300W+ TDP card should look like. Even better if they would get rid of the small fan and make it single slot. VRM really does not add that much of heat and the only reason why it is done is because they penny pinching on making custom cold plate to cover whole card. Water cooling is the only way to go with such cards... Fury X did the right thing and that was amazingly cool and quiet card despite being thermal beast (sadly it wasn't very competitive otherwise). I had pleasure to own Strix OC LC 6900XT and I have never seen temperature climb past 50C and most of the time fans would not even turn! That is how it should be! Not the stupid 4 slot PC sizes idiotic monsters like reference 4080s and 4090s.
most people want a reliable low maintenance system and water cooling is always going to be higher maintenance/risk than air
@@drkastenbrot What a load of BS! I had Fury X since it was launched and did absolutely no extra maintenance. Sure maybe some dust accumulates on the radiator and fan which applies to anything, but in this case is much easier to access and clean! I have 6900XT water cooled for over a year now, again no maintenance whatsoever.... in fact I didn't even have to clean the fan/radiator because 80% of the time fans don't even spin, so dust simply doesn't accumulate as quickly.
I guess for custom loop that maybe an issue, but even then... unless you want to change the colour of the loop or you purchased bad quality dye and it degraded... it pretty much never needs any maintenance.
So what you talking about is BULLSHIT... water requires way less maintenance than air, not more... and in case of AiO it is maintenance free.
@@lp9280 No watercooling setup is maintenance free. Water slowly evaporates and it will eventually need cleaning and refill.
@@drkastenbrot on custom loop... even then if you have suitably sized reservoir this will likely outlast any system (i.e. 5 years+) and even then it is as simply as adding distilled water into reservoir.
AiO in my experience is maintenance free as no maintenance was required well after Fury X became obsolete (8 years)... it still spins to this day and performance is more than adequate (in fact I don't think it degraded at all).
Again - seems like your experience is nothing more than rumours and exaggerations.
I can agree that custom loops may require some maintenance, but that in comparison is less than cleaning dust stuck in air cooled GPUS... what is even worse is that many requires removal of entire cooler just to clean the dust (especially reference designs) and they are way worse than water cooling maintenance when you have to repaste and replace pads on GPU.
So all in all - the statement that water requires more maintenance than air only applies in some very specific circumstances and on balance of probability is unlikely.
21:09 - and THAT is why I have left mine happy and just chugging along at its near-silent badass out-of-the-box self.
FYI around the 9:15 mark when you're talking about the ambient noise from the fans at max rpm, the noise gate on your mic is cutting all of the audio, so we can only hear it in the video when you're talking.
Just a thought, Cheers
Huzzah for bots. . !
1) $1749 is a $150 premium over FE, not $250
2) It is $250 cheaper than the Strix
3) The orientation you showed for vertical radiator placement is upside down, you want the tubes going to the bottom, so the air sits at the top of the rap without tubes
4) I beat your Port Royale score by almost 100 points with the Suprim Liquid X on a weaker CPU (5950x). Get rekt.
Reviewers talk about how small the suprim liquid card is. But they don't talk about how much space you need to add the water radiator in.
What is the warranty experience like with MSI and how long in the warranty? I'm an EVGA fanboy so I'm trying to decide who to buy from in the future. The only company I will never buy from again is Gigabyte - I owned a Gigabyte video card in the past and trying to get it replaced due to issues was a huge headache, so never again. I'm considering Asus, MSI and Founders Edition at the moment, but probably won't actually buy for a while.
Hello Jay , just a stupid question here : I noticed at 02:00 that the bios was set to Silent. Wouldn't (shouldn't ? ) the Gaming bios offer more leeway for overclocking ?
The metal and understated look makes it look sooo good instead of looking like a transformer covered in flashy shit. I kinda miss the old days when you could get a blower card that would perform decent enough and look nice in a build
for SFF builds this is probably the best option if you don't want to go full custom loop.
I don’t know if it’s possible or if Asus will even come out with one but If they do can you review the white 4090 and the suprim x ( want to have a white build ). Any white ddr5 amd expo 6k or more?
Looking forward to 4070 card, will be considering it as an upgrade from 1080. I kinda do want some RTX-on in my life
Hope the liquid in the AIO isn't like some of their CPU AIO coolers with the gunking issues.
7:41 "Ruis Lossman" 🤣🤣
I mentioned this to Paul's hardware channel. Oddly enough, I have this card and originally ordered a corsair 1000psu and the power limit on after burner was 120%. I had to return it because it had very loud coil whine (found faulty) and I ordered a be quiet 1000w psu to replace it. The power limit on after burner went to 125% for some reason? This is with the surpim X liquid. Also, I turned off the zero rpm feature, I really didn't like a 50 degree brick sitting at the centre of my case, exchanged it for a typical fan curve and idle temps went down to 25s-30s and seems to stay a lot cooler in use.
Cheers Jay.
Doesn't MSI's Dragon Centre do both RGB and GPU Overclocking?
Did you tried the 600W bios some have extracted from the same card (seems some of those supreme liquid have a 600w so they shared it) ? It would be really interesting to compare those
1:58 Double Bios - > Jay -----> did you leave it on silent instead of performances ???
I did a whole platform upgrade (everything except case and PSU) with a GTX1070 GPU in 2016 for half the price of one of these cards. The whole system running less than 200W. The world sure has gone bonkers
I scored over 27K on port royal with this GPU. +200 core and +1000 memory
MSI wont put RGB control into afterburner because so many people use afterburner for non MSI cards. its the universal go-to OC software
it have dual bios there , so you won't kill it , just flash other bios and see , if it not working get back to second bios.
overwrite the "silent" bios for testing
I have the MSI Gaming Trio & play all my games max settings 4k reso on a Odyssey G7 monitor. Even then my card does not even go over 60. Seems Nvidia definitely fixed the heating issues that plagued the 3090s 🤙
They maybe limiting the power to avoid burning 12 pin cables >>>
at some point these cards are going to get so chunky for air cooling. will they just end up only doing water cooling in 5+ years from now?
hey @JayzTwoCents possibly a bit late now but I've had that same bricking issue doing the same BIOS flashing shenanigans (more than once!). My usual solution is to bung the brick into a secondary slot and plug something not-Nvidia in as the primary card - it might show how often I've done this that I keep an ancient ATI (yes, pre-AMD!) Radeon x1300 (passive, slot powered) card in the tool box for just this.
Then boot up windows and fire up nvflash. No it doesn't matter at all that Windows doesn't recognise the card, just that nvflash does see something flashable (this is why AMD card, nvflash won't see it).
This is also why the toolkit has an old x58 BIOS based board that boots up straight DOS - very occasionally this is the only way to get the card recognised by nvflash. My experience is NV cards are really hard to brick without actual hardware failure - and yes, I've flashed/bricked a revA quadro with a revB Quadro firmware and resurrected it in 20 minutes with the correct bios.
Need a standard introduced on controlling control leds so if you get one component it will just work out of the box on your primary software of choice will be cheaper for all