Thank you for speaking so candidly. And no, we are NOT ok with any type of abuse. It is so encouraging to hear leaders speak out against this and to speak up for victims instead of minimizing. Again, thank you for caring more about whats right than protecting organizations.
"You touch a child, it's over!" Absolutely. In the words of Jesus - "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
I cannot imagine how difficult this has been for y’all who were so close with Mike and IHOPKC for so many years. Thank you for your passion for justice and TRUTH! Keep going. Protect the innocent and the vulnerable.
There are thousands of Godly men and some women too who are able to teach and meet the Scriptural qualifications of an elder. We don't need SA's at the top of any churches or ministries. God can easily raise up humble and qualified people.
@@lindag9975 we don’t need a top… that is the world’s structure. Gods Word says “and it was good with the people.” God’s Word says “submit one to another.” God’s Word says “overseers and groups of elders.” No hierarchy. Maturity. The entire church is immature!
Thank you for speaking up and not looking away. Thank you for taking a stand and confronting this with the intention to bring change and accountability. People across the country have loss faith in the Church and no longer trust the leadership leading them. The manipulation must stop in relation to God’s people and money. I cannot believe I clicked onto this video… listening to you speak tonight has fueled the hope within me. Thank you. God Bless You
Thank you for saying “when you’ve touched a child? It’s over.” It can’t be said enough. I’ve posted to my Twitter account for you. This is so needed. New subscriber Shalom and Godspeed to you and your household in Jesus name - Catherine Grace, Redding California.
Wow… thank you for making this video. I can’t say thank you enough. Maybe this is the beginning to getting our beloved beautiful church back. This is happening in every city in America. 😢
Thank you for bringing the Bickle MONSTER out from under the bed and into the Light🙌 The excruciating pain he has caused SO MANY is absolutely cataclysmic‼️….and it it appears that he doesn’t even care! GOD ALMIGHTY has raised up these adversaries against MB (remember Solomon‼️), and everything EVERYTHING will be exposed….. sucks to be him🫣 Father, in Jesus’s Name protect Your True Body🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
If you use all the narcissist checklists and they check every single box, then you can most likely say someone is a narcissist. Based on the facts of their behavior. How you can tell the liars from the truth tellers. Who is overall being the good person? Which one is living in objective reality? The narcissist is delusional. They say up is down and down is up. They contradict themselves on purpose lying in the same sentence! I’ve studied this for ten years.
How come the people who do these videos never put their own mistakes, sins, and skeletons in their own closets under the same judgment assessment that they are putting Mike through ? Where is your videos guys?
Can you pls let us know who the woman is speaking? I recognize Alan- is she related or a former member of ihop ? Not everyone tuning into your program automatically knows who is speaking and how they’re related to ihop. Every Blessing…
The system that has led to this abuse still stands to a degree. So many are still under the delusion that MB/the ministry did no wrong. Thank you for taking this seriously.
“people are going to call me a woke, liberal feminist and I ACTUALLY DON’T care” 👏👏👏 Can we just call out that these terms are thrown out casually, carelessly and unnecessarily? Usually to manipulate and gaslight those in the church who are defending the marginalized and weak?
Yes, you are right. A neutral investigator is needed. Contact local authorities (police/district attorney) and request an investigation of alleged crimes.
please cite the exact law that would be used to take bickle down. at this point we have multiple people named "jane doe" might as well be named peter rabbit
So when are they going to hold Mike Bickle accountable? I haven't heard a thing from him since this happened. Where is he, and what is he doing? is he still teaching somewhere
For a sexual abuser who became a professional Manipulator over many years it takes also years to even realise in a nutshell what he has done. But fully being aware of what he has done is the first step toward repentance. And that never works without external professional help.
Thank you for addressing this response.. I’ve heard this exact response from several people who are not a part of the ihopkc community but are Christian’s. This was my understanding too until things just got too confusing and I stopped following.. If they confess wouldn’t these pastors including Mike Bickle be registered as sexoffenders? They can confess to the church and be forgiven but they would probably have to go through the legal system.. it is humiliating to become a registered sexoffender..
As one who at one time was a proponent to those within the reaches of what is called NAR, it is profound to hear and see what fruit is coming from this tree. The tragedy of what these women endured throughout those years is reprehensible and yet to rightfully question the actions and conduct of those involved in this abuse; where is the reflection by those sitting in the pews and all those years listened to those who allegedly spoke for God through their "prophecies" (Jeremiah 14:14-15). Is there no reflection on the part of those sitting in the pews all those years, for listening to lies and false prophecies? Yet they will continue to believe those who stand before them behind the lecturn and will allow the blind to lead the blind and ignore the actions of those who critiqued in the New Testament Paul on the very things he proclaimed about the gospel, those in NAR will lean on a lame statement of "do not touch God's anointed" and with that statement they prove very clearly their ignorance of what was written in 2 Chroniciles 16:22 concerning the nation of Israel and God's prophets. I do not place any of those who say they are prophets as prophets and the admonishment given in Acts 17:10-11 is one those in the grips of NAR need to exercise and seek the real God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and not the false god of false prophecies, prosperity hucksters and healings that are not from God. The sooner those who are still holding on to these false doctrines the sooner they can begin to walk afresh in the love of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. More and more of these charlatans will continue to be exposed.
Causing me to pray hard for my pastor, I believe they are under incredible attack and sadly many succumb to it ! And for sure they become disqualified for ministry ! but I pray they repent and are restored to the Lord and forgiven and the victims can heal
4:34 I think if they didn't try to protect, it may still be in tact. We all know The Gospel and what the cost of it is and the benefits of it. Especially in this hour, God is exposing. Only light wins in this hour, He is no longer allowing these things to be hidden.
I want to share what our insurance agent told us in private and wanted us to know after he won a case in court over a Priest who molested him and another boy at the age of 13 and 14 years old outside of Savannah in a secluded place a type of luring and I guess they trusted this man and did not know what they were heading into. They both was awarded 7 million dollars....but him telling us this Priest just smirk at him during the whole thing court showed he was not sorry!! He was sorry he was being accused of molesting them and getting expose. This man sit with us and cried over this whole thing and really he was already wealthy he did not need the money but you could see a thirty something year old man still affected by that incident years down the road. I wonder how many times he relived it? So I agree with these guys...
"Tikkun will provide updates, assess the final report, and try to raise the expected $100,000 cost of the investigation through donations processed by the National ChristianFoundation(NCF), the group stated. Tikkun said it will also commission a team of men and women to offer corrective recommendations." Recommendations meaning financial payouts. Money solves everything.
It’s time to hold ADULT women to account also. These spirits working through both male and female, due to “Identity in Christ” crisis, need to be taught on in ministry schools. Men in leadership (or not) absolutely hold to account, but ADULT woman also. They know it’s wrong, or they wouldn’t hide it in darkness. It’s dead wrong, especially with a married man. They need to be held to account also…not petted, and maybe we’d have less of this, although it has been around since the beginning of time. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom!
Not all women in church come from a church background nor have a foundational teaching. The first 10 years after I was saved, church leaders and culture was teaching me to take the Word with a grain of salt. As someone who was raised in a very anti-Christian environment, who was I to dispute what I thought were mature Christians? It took me awhile to find my way even after that. Now I am thankful my foundation is in the Word, but the big problem is it is so easy to be in church and be taught culture-friendly theology. Most churches refuse to take a stand and also tolerate a lot of anti-biblical behavior. I left my last two churches for leaders involved in actions in contrary to scripture. Both complaints were never followed through on and I was called “the problem.” God did protect my in my ignorance since I struggled to reconcile what I read in scripture and what I was seeing being taught and lived out and I thank Him so much for that!
@@JillCee i think he is saying time to call bullshit on the victim card these women get, rather being held to account for their sins enough is damn ENOUGH
@@santospuente-f1w The power dynamic and manipulation is real. I have seen it happen in real life. Some pastors are true predators. And they do target women who typically are from abusive backgrounds with little to no support systems in place.
@@JillCee yeah , but some of them are just like groupies, somehow there always seems to be some opportunistic young ladies around authority and money just saying Jillc Ive been in churches since 1977, even spent some time in KC at bickles church in the early 1990"s
@@santospuente-f1w With big time pastors, sure. Local level though, pastors are definitely targeting those who are struggling. That does seem to be what Chris Reed did as well. That lady definitely has taken ownership of her mistakes and with healing over issues from her background as well.
Repentance may restore you to the flock but it does NOT restore you to leadership or the pulpit. The word is clear about disqualification from ministry.
100’s of victims dealing with this now with pastor at Oasis Of Praise in Bessemer, AL. After his grandson Brandon Kendrick 🔫 & unalived his own entire family & 2 of my family members, it gave the courage to 100’s of people to come forward with their stories of @buse at the hands of his grandfather the pastor. This is an epidemic
Ezekiel 18:24-32 New International Version 24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Abuse of women & children is disqualifying for ministry, according to scripture. There are & should be consequences for sin & crimes against children. No more victum shaming.
Just the fact that he has not handled any of these situations biblically shows his self aggrandizement. (Biblically is not submitting to a hierarchy. We submit one to another.)
Masking is what it's called. We all use spirituality as a mask to some extent when it's convenient because holiness is too pure to live up to completely. When Christian men and women fall, it's easier to deflect it, minimize it, repurpose it, blame it. Love and healing for all
King David murdered, seduced, lied and God still restored him... For Mike's case, exposing is love so that he can repent But for Morris's case, he did tell his congregation and repented. I think he sinned before he entered ministry. I agree God desires us to return to the fear of Him and so is exposing. But I feel the fear of God is also about forgiving the sinner and to me, unless I misunderstood what happened for Morris's case, he should be covered with mercy and grace...isn't this is what christianity is about? That we may see the rappist in His love powerfully used by Him cos of His redeeming power
"You will know them by their fruits". The "prophetic stories" are just that, stories. Imaginations that have been crafted around men for their own desires. They're the keepers of the mythology that the culture revolves around. But it's not from God, its not biblical. See how Mike and the leadership have scattered, see how they hired professional PR firms and lawyers and representatives to fill in. The organization of IHOP was built around the persons and personalities of the "prophets" and bent around the leadership vision of one man Mike Bickle. All of whom have been caught in scandals. The charasmatic church needs to go back to the Bible and quite following men.
Covering doctrine is key. It is a false doctrine told to me by Father God, Himself. Based on a wrong interpretation of Isaiah 28:13. Man’s rules on top of Gods rules is not a good way! It is the curse of the fall taught as divine order. It is usurping Jesus’ place as spiritual Head of His Spiritual Body. No man is a spirit head. It is not rightly dividing the Word between what is spiritual and what is natural. It is the spirit of whoredoms of Hosea 4:12 that seduces out from under the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of the world that blonds the minds of men. We think we don’t have it, bc we are saved. NO! We have it bc we are choosing to function in the world’s structure of hierarchy. Satan is the god of the pyramid structure corporation. God functions in family. He is Father. He says call No Man Father. Many false doctrines are spawned from the covering doctrine error. Calling unctions from the Holy Spirit burdens. Calling ourselves “the violent” when Father God hates violence. Calling ourselves radical when the word is not in the Bible. It is a word used of the enemy. We must become more and more accurate to the Word. Not less. We must go by what He means by His Word. Not our own casual bandying about phrases saying “we know what we mean.” No! We must speak of spiritual things and the things of God on the way that He says to speak about them. He destroyed the world for violence. First mention. He says three times no longer say “the burden of the Lord.” Once we change our spiritual root from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to the tree of life we can no longer say we do anything radically. We keep the root of Jesus! Jesus does not speak like this. Neither should we. Not bc of picking over words. Bc of the wrong spirits and the erroneous interpretation of scripture. Jesus was warning about violent men persecuting those finding salvation. Not telling us we should proclaim ourselves to be the violent t and that the kingdoms of heaven needs to be wrested from His hands! He gave it freely!!! HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD.
whilst I agree with Jen I have to say that myself and numerous others were spiritually abused by Dwayne Roberts. I think its just as sick and twisted for Dwayne to point fingers at anyone without his own public repentance first.
But why were most of you all in lock step with his false teachings, false prophesies and didn't do your homework on the Kansas City Prophets?????????? THAT was your 1st clue. Can you really be trusted to teach and lead impressionable young people????????????? No.
Question, do you all forgive Mike or anyone in this that has sinned and made mistakes? Honestly and genuinely do you all forgive him and others who made the mistakes and sinned? Bc I sincerely fear for these people doing this video because I don't see forgiveness. And the sad thing is they will go to Hell for unforgiveness - there are so many Christians in Hell for unforgiveness - and holding offense - don't lose your salvation by taking on the offense of others and unforgiveness. Its not worth your eternal life. Yes when a brother sins he should be confronted in love with the heart to restore him. But these videos are not even doign that or encouraging forgiveness to Mike and others. its perpetuating unforgiveness and offense to others and if you take this bate you will be on your way to Hell. Don't follow this path! Follow the path of Christ and gaurd your eternal life! Forgive Mike and whoever else and anyone else that you need to! Jesus said forgive whenever you stand praying if you have ought against anyone that your heavenly Father may forgive you for if your forgive you will be forgiven but if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven!
According to Cindy Cleminshire, when Robert Morris was confronted over three decades ago, he acknowledged his crimes/sins against her when she as 12 years old and repented, asked and received forgiveness from her and her father and submitted to a restoration process which included stepping down from ministry for two years. And when RM wanted to return to ministry, he sought the permission and blessing from CC’s father. But today CC asserts that RM never ‘fully repented’ and she was demanding $2,000,000.00 from RM or she was going to go public with the story. I would that is a clear indication that CC never ‘fully forgave’ RM. (Kind of like only being partly pregnant! Either you forgive someone or you don’t. It is an act of the will to release the offender.) JESUS indicates that the penalty for unforgiveness is as severe as the penalty for harming a child. The Gateway congregation does not owe CC anything but to love her from a sincere heart, CC is the one who should be seeking forgiveness from them. RM owes the Gateway congregation and the body of CHRIST as a whole an explanation and an apology for behaving like a ‘hireling’ when his past sins were made public. Some of the elders at Gateway share the same culpability. The apostle Paul was very clear when he instructed his disciples not to receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. CC has yet to meet that requirement. Where is her father and mother and where is Olen Griffing? These are three people who were contemporaneous witnesses. CC was 121/2 years old when RM is accused of first molesting her. She was almost 17 when she exposed the abuse. She was almost 23 when statute of limitations expired on the last offense. She could have gone to the police herself at any time in those last 7 years when she was considered an adult by the states of Oklahoma and Texas. She alone bares the responsibility for not doing so. I’m not a fan of the institutional church system in general or of Gateway in particular. I’m not an RM groupie. But contrary to what some folks believe, Galatians 6:1 1 Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. NAS holds the probability that anyone who commits any sin (but the ‘one’ sin) can be forgiven and restored to fellowship and to ministry, if they meet the requirement’s delineated in Matt 18. Finally, both RM and CC are accountable to the whole body of CHRIST, not just the members of the Gateway congregation and Matt 18 applies to both of them equally.
Wow…. Every time you all have to keep decimating something that’s already been brought about as low as it can get…. Just leaves me speechless, disappointed and well just baffled and how you all can use this much energy focused on someone that has stepped away from ministry and then continue to go after people… how in the world are you all not going to be offended when the Antichrist has his brutal reign…. Not to mention the fact that you’re on social media totally discouraging those that are trying to keep the faith!!!! It is the most heightened demonic attack I’ve ever witnessed from believers that labored together… I hope you all are as perfect as you are presenting yourself to be… or maybe have some awareness of what all of this on social media does to give the enemy more strength …. Exactly why is this on RUclips ? Bizarre …. I don’t hear anyone relying on the Lord to fight this battle… if the Lord can’t bring justice in this situation why do you think this will…. Maybe think of what you would have done in the absence of social media….
Thank you for speaking so candidly. And no, we are NOT ok with any type of abuse. It is so encouraging to hear leaders speak out against this and to speak up for victims instead of minimizing. Again, thank you for caring more about whats right than protecting organizations.
Amen 🙏
"You touch a child, it's over!" Absolutely. In the words of Jesus - "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
I cannot imagine how difficult this has been for y’all who were so close with Mike and IHOPKC for so many years. Thank you for your passion for justice and TRUTH! Keep going. Protect the innocent and the vulnerable.
dont you also think they were so close that they are actually complicit, if not then utterly stupid, or more politely put,,,,,, blind
@@santospuente-f1w I don’t.
how utterly sad , they have fooled you badly, these pide pipers guilty as bickle
There are thousands of Godly men and some women too who are able to teach and meet the Scriptural qualifications of an elder. We don't need SA's at the top of any churches or ministries. God can easily raise up humble and qualified people.
@@lindag9975 we don’t need a top… that is the world’s structure. Gods Word says “and it was good with the people.” God’s Word says “submit one to another.” God’s Word says “overseers and groups of elders.” No hierarchy. Maturity. The entire church is immature!
Keep pushing. Keep speaking up.
Thank you for speaking up and not looking away. Thank you for taking a stand and confronting this with the intention to bring change and accountability. People across the country have loss faith in the Church and no longer trust the leadership leading them. The manipulation must stop in relation to God’s people and money.
I cannot believe I clicked onto this video… listening to you speak tonight has fueled the hope within me. Thank you. God Bless You
@@ginapreddy3909 well said! It does give hope to see leaders speak out
Thank you for saying “when you’ve touched a child? It’s over.” It can’t be said enough.
I’ve posted to my Twitter account for you. This is so needed. New subscriber
Shalom and Godspeed to you and your household in Jesus name - Catherine Grace, Redding California.
Thank you! I wish I could tell my full story. Please keep fighting for the return of pastors who meet the Biblical definition of above reproach.
So very well said. Thank you both so much for taking a stand for truth, righteousness and restitution.
Everything you said is so RIGHT! God bless you all, all victims and this whole process
Hopefully the civil lawsuits will being be used of The Lord to bring justice to Mike Bickle and IHOP KC
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Wow… thank you for making this video. I can’t say thank you enough. Maybe this is the beginning to getting our beloved beautiful church back. This is happening in every city in America. 😢
He has not owned any of it and has no remorse.
Go after him then. But you can't make a mam talk. People want money not MB s apologies.
6:19 IHOPKC became the exact idol that they hated in the first place.
Thank you for bringing the Bickle MONSTER out from under the bed and into the Light🙌 The excruciating pain he has caused SO MANY is absolutely cataclysmic‼️….and it it appears that he doesn’t even care! GOD ALMIGHTY has raised up these adversaries against MB (remember Solomon‼️), and everything EVERYTHING will be exposed….. sucks to be him🫣 Father, in Jesus’s Name protect Your True Body🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mike Bickle is a narcissist. Very self serving like these two leaders are saying.
Allen Hood is speaking the truth about Mike Bickle.
Thank you Jennifer Roberts for coming forward and speaking out.
Galatians 5:15
15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
If you use all the narcissist checklists and they check every single box, then you can most likely say someone is a narcissist. Based on the facts of their behavior. How you can tell the liars from the truth tellers. Who is overall being the good person? Which one is living in objective reality? The narcissist is delusional. They say up is down and down is up. They contradict themselves on purpose lying in the same sentence! I’ve studied this for ten years.
How come the people who do these videos never put their own mistakes, sins, and skeletons in their own closets under the same judgment assessment that they are putting Mike through ? Where is your videos guys?
Can you pls let us know who the woman is speaking? I recognize Alan- is she related or a former member of ihop ?
Not everyone tuning into your program automatically knows who is speaking and how they’re related to ihop.
Every Blessing…
Jennifer Roberts, wife of Duane Roberts and member of the AG. Former leaders at IHOP.
@@sonrisa691 Thx for clarifying
Every blessing.
Preach! Thank you for this.
The system that has led to this abuse still stands to a degree. So many are still under the delusion that MB/the ministry did no wrong.
Thank you for taking this seriously.
The interviewer looks like he has a halo lol
Santo Jono
i see a pitch fork
I love these leaders. And I'm still shocked that Mike has yet to humbly repent.
“people are going to call me a woke, liberal feminist and I ACTUALLY DON’T care” 👏👏👏
Can we just call out that these terms are thrown out casually, carelessly and unnecessarily? Usually to manipulate and gaslight those in the church who are defending the marginalized and weak?
bull shit
Yes, you are right. A neutral investigator is needed. Contact local authorities (police/district attorney) and request an investigation of alleged crimes.
please cite the exact law that would be used to take bickle down. at this point we have multiple people named "jane doe" might as well be named peter rabbit
So when are they going to hold Mike Bickle accountable? I haven't heard a thing from him since this happened. Where is he, and what is he doing? is he still teaching somewhere
who is "they",,,,, that is the tough part,,,,few verified facts,,,,, its all grey
For a sexual abuser who became a professional Manipulator over many years it takes also years to even realise in a nutshell what he has done. But fully being aware of what he has done is the first step toward repentance. And that never works without external professional help.
Thank you for addressing this response.. I’ve heard this exact response from several people who are not a part of the ihopkc community but are Christian’s. This was my understanding too until things just got too confusing and I stopped following..
If they confess wouldn’t these pastors including Mike Bickle be registered as sexoffenders? They can confess to the church and be forgiven but they would probably have to go through the legal system.. it is humiliating to become a registered sexoffender..
As one who at one time was a proponent to those within the reaches of what is called NAR, it is profound to hear and see what fruit is coming from this tree.
The tragedy of what these women endured throughout those years is reprehensible and yet to rightfully question the actions and conduct of those involved in this abuse; where is the reflection by those sitting in the pews and all those years listened to those who allegedly spoke for God through their "prophecies" (Jeremiah 14:14-15).
Is there no reflection on the part of those sitting in the pews all those years, for listening to lies and false prophecies?
Yet they will continue to believe those who stand before them behind the lecturn and will allow the blind to lead the blind and ignore the actions of those who critiqued in the New Testament Paul on the very things he proclaimed about the gospel, those in NAR will lean on a lame statement of "do not touch God's anointed" and with that statement they prove very clearly their ignorance of what was written in 2 Chroniciles 16:22 concerning the nation of Israel and God's prophets. I do not place any of those who say they are prophets as prophets and the admonishment given in Acts 17:10-11 is one those in the grips of NAR need to exercise and seek the real God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and not the false god of false prophecies, prosperity hucksters and healings that are not from God.
The sooner those who are still holding on to these false doctrines the sooner they can begin to walk afresh in the love of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. More and more of these charlatans will continue to be exposed.
Preach 👏🏼👏🏼
i am just not buying this act
Causing me to pray hard for my pastor, I believe they are under incredible attack and sadly many succumb to it ! And for sure they become disqualified for ministry ! but I pray they repent and are restored to the Lord and forgiven and the victims can heal
Yes
We need the truth to be able to make informed decisions
4:34 I think if they didn't try to protect, it may still be in tact. We all know The Gospel and what the cost of it is and the benefits of it. Especially in this hour, God is exposing. Only light wins in this hour, He is no longer allowing these things to be hidden.
What is the pound if flesh that will assuage you? I believe its the sale of assets and "restitution " by the organization rather than MB.
I want to share what our insurance agent told us in private and wanted us to know after he won a case in court over a Priest who molested him and another boy at the age of 13 and 14 years old outside of Savannah in a secluded place a type of luring and I guess they trusted this man and did not know what they were heading into. They both was awarded 7 million dollars....but him telling us this Priest just smirk at him during the whole thing court showed he was not sorry!! He was sorry he was being accused of molesting them and getting expose. This man sit with us and cried over this whole thing and really he was already wealthy he did not need the money but you could see a thirty something year old man still affected by that incident years down the road. I wonder how many times he relived it? So I agree with these guys...
Is there a police investigation since a minor was involved?
when you climb out of the rabbit hole Alice, take some time to read up on the law as it would apply to something that happened 25 plus years ago
Its all so stinking corrupt now. I have walked away from all of it....including denominations and all of churchianity. Yippeeee...I am so glad I did
"Tikkun will provide updates, assess the final report, and try to raise the expected $100,000 cost of the investigation through donations processed by the National ChristianFoundation(NCF), the group stated. Tikkun said it will also commission a team of men and women to offer corrective recommendations."
Recommendations meaning financial payouts. Money solves everything.
It’s time to hold ADULT women to account also. These spirits working through both male and female, due to “Identity in Christ” crisis, need to be taught on in ministry schools. Men in leadership (or not) absolutely hold to account, but ADULT woman also. They know it’s wrong, or they wouldn’t hide it in darkness. It’s dead wrong, especially with a married man. They need to be held to account also…not petted, and maybe we’d have less of this, although it has been around since the beginning of time. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom!
Not all women in church come from a church background nor have a foundational teaching. The first 10 years after I was saved, church leaders and culture was teaching me to take the Word with a grain of salt. As someone who was raised in a very anti-Christian environment, who was I to dispute what I thought were mature Christians? It took me awhile to find my way even after that. Now I am thankful my foundation is in the Word, but the big problem is it is so easy to be in church and be taught culture-friendly theology. Most churches refuse to take a stand and also tolerate a lot of anti-biblical behavior. I left my last two churches for leaders involved in actions in contrary to scripture. Both complaints were never followed through on and I was called “the problem.” God did protect my in my ignorance since I struggled to reconcile what I read in scripture and what I was seeing being taught and lived out and I thank Him so much for that!
@@JillCee i think he is saying time to call bullshit on the victim card these women get, rather being held to account for their sins
enough is damn ENOUGH
@@santospuente-f1w The power dynamic and manipulation is real. I have seen it happen in real life. Some pastors are true predators. And they do target women who typically are from abusive backgrounds with little to no support systems in place.
@@JillCee yeah , but some of them are just like groupies, somehow there always seems to be some opportunistic young ladies around authority and money
just saying Jillc Ive been in churches since 1977, even spent some time in KC at bickles church in the early 1990"s
@@santospuente-f1w With big time pastors, sure. Local level though, pastors are definitely targeting those who are struggling. That does seem to be what Chris Reed did as well. That lady definitely has taken ownership of her mistakes and with healing over issues from her background as well.
This sin is wrong but these people are judge jury and executioner
and also complicit
Repentance may restore you to the flock but it does NOT restore you to leadership or the pulpit. The word is clear about disqualification from ministry.
You guys bless me. Good job in a very hard place!
i just call them complicit
100’s of victims dealing with this now with pastor at Oasis Of Praise in Bessemer, AL. After his grandson Brandon Kendrick 🔫 & unalived his own entire family & 2 of my family members, it gave the courage to 100’s of people to come forward with their stories of @buse at the hands of his grandfather the pastor. This is an epidemic
Amen!
“14 is always a big deal.” 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Ezekiel 18:24-32
New International Version
24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Her outrage is refreshingly appropriate. Wonder what the Lord Jesus would say if he walked into that "temple" called IHOP under these circumstances?
I think Jesus is the one who exposed it and shut it down.
Abuse of women & children is disqualifying for ministry, according to scripture. There are & should be consequences for sin & crimes against children. No more victum shaming.
Just the fact that he kept the workers at ihop poor is proof of his ungodly and evil motivation.
Just the fact that he has long standing “prophetic narratives” that are selective and personally manipulative show his character.
Just the fact that he minimized his abuse and withheld information shows he is doing damage control and not repenting.
Just the fact that he has not handled any of these situations biblically shows his self aggrandizement.
(Biblically is not submitting to a hierarchy. We submit one to another.)
Just the fact that he gave money to be seen of men as a good person shows exactly who he is.
Is this enough objective reality to prove his evil intentions and ways? He is not born again.
Masking is what it's called. We all use spirituality as a mask to some extent when it's convenient because holiness is too pure to live up to completely. When Christian men and women fall, it's easier to deflect it, minimize it, repurpose it, blame it. Love and healing for all
King David murdered, seduced, lied and God still restored him... For Mike's case, exposing is love so that he can repent
But for Morris's case, he did tell his congregation and repented. I think he sinned before he entered ministry. I agree God desires us to return to the fear of Him and so is exposing. But I feel the fear of God is also about forgiving the sinner and to me, unless I misunderstood what happened for Morris's case, he should be covered with mercy and grace...isn't this is what christianity is about? That we may see the rappist in His love powerfully used by Him cos of His redeeming power
"You will know them by their fruits".
The "prophetic stories" are just that, stories. Imaginations that have been crafted around men for their own desires. They're the keepers of the mythology that the culture revolves around. But it's not from God, its not biblical. See how Mike and the leadership have scattered, see how they hired professional PR firms and lawyers and representatives to fill in.
The organization of IHOP was built around the persons and personalities of the "prophets" and bent around the leadership vision of one man Mike Bickle. All of whom have been caught in scandals.
The charasmatic church needs to go back to the Bible and quite following men.
Covering doctrine is key. It is a false doctrine told to me by Father God, Himself. Based on a wrong interpretation of Isaiah 28:13. Man’s rules on top of Gods rules is not a good way!
It is the curse of the fall taught as divine order. It is usurping Jesus’ place as spiritual Head of His Spiritual Body. No man is a spirit head. It is not rightly dividing the Word between what is spiritual and what is natural. It is the spirit of whoredoms of Hosea 4:12 that seduces out from under the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of the world that blonds the minds of men. We think we don’t have it, bc we are saved. NO! We have it bc we are choosing to function in the world’s structure of hierarchy. Satan is the god of the pyramid structure corporation. God functions in family. He is Father. He says call No Man Father. Many false doctrines are spawned from the covering doctrine error. Calling unctions from the Holy Spirit burdens. Calling ourselves “the violent” when Father God hates violence. Calling ourselves radical when the word is not in the Bible. It is a word used of the enemy.
We must become more and more accurate to the Word. Not less. We must go by what He means by His Word. Not our own casual bandying about phrases saying “we know what we mean.” No! We must speak of spiritual things and the things of God on the way that He says to speak about them.
He destroyed the world for violence. First mention.
He says three times no longer say “the burden of the Lord.”
Once we change our spiritual root from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to the tree of life we can no longer say we do anything radically. We keep the root of Jesus!
Jesus does not speak like this. Neither should we. Not bc of picking over words. Bc of the wrong spirits and the erroneous interpretation of scripture.
Jesus was warning about violent men persecuting those finding salvation. Not telling us we should proclaim ourselves to be the violent t and that the kingdoms of heaven needs to be wrested from His hands! He gave it freely!!!
HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD.
whilst I agree with Jen I have to say that myself and numerous others were spiritually abused by Dwayne Roberts. I think its just as sick and twisted for Dwayne to point fingers at anyone without his own public repentance first.
Who is this lady speaking?
she was there as a leader and should be held to account for complicity
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But why were most of you all in lock step with his false teachings, false prophesies and didn't do your homework on the Kansas City Prophets??????????
THAT was your 1st clue.
Can you really be trusted to teach and lead impressionable young people?????????????
No.
Is the woman a preacher or a victim?
She's 1 of the "Advocate Group" guys wives I think...Dwayne?
@@RCGWho She's a little pushy. Alan Hood is more convincing. Thanks
I assume you all think your spriritual... it is time for the advocate group to implement Gal 6:1
The word “abuse” is doing a lot of heavy lifting for an 18 or 40 year old. It’s simply Inventing new sins out of offense.
Question, do you all forgive Mike or anyone in this that has sinned and made mistakes? Honestly and genuinely do you all forgive him and others who made the mistakes and sinned? Bc I sincerely fear for these people doing this video because I don't see forgiveness. And the sad thing is they will go to Hell for unforgiveness - there are so many Christians in Hell for unforgiveness - and holding offense - don't lose your salvation by taking on the offense of others and unforgiveness. Its not worth your eternal life. Yes when a brother sins he should be confronted in love with the heart to restore him. But these videos are not even doign that or encouraging forgiveness to Mike and others. its perpetuating unforgiveness and offense to others and if you take this bate you will be on your way to Hell. Don't follow this path! Follow the path of Christ and gaurd your eternal life! Forgive Mike and whoever else and anyone else that you need to! Jesus said forgive whenever you stand praying if you have ought against anyone that your heavenly Father may forgive you for if your forgive you will be forgiven but if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven!
According to Cindy Cleminshire, when Robert Morris was confronted over three decades ago, he acknowledged his crimes/sins against her when she as 12 years old and repented, asked and received forgiveness from her and her father and submitted to a restoration process which included stepping down from ministry for two years.
And when RM wanted to return to ministry, he sought the permission and blessing from CC’s father.
But today CC asserts that RM never ‘fully repented’ and she was demanding $2,000,000.00 from RM or she was going to go public with the story.
I would that is a clear indication that CC never ‘fully forgave’ RM. (Kind of like only being partly pregnant! Either you forgive someone or you don’t. It is an act of the will to release the offender.) JESUS indicates that the penalty for unforgiveness is as severe as the penalty for harming a child.
The Gateway congregation does not owe CC anything but to love her from a sincere heart, CC is the one who should be seeking forgiveness from them.
RM owes the Gateway congregation and the body of CHRIST as a whole an explanation and an apology for behaving like a ‘hireling’ when his past sins were made public. Some of the elders at Gateway share the same culpability.
The apostle Paul was very clear when he instructed his disciples not to receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. CC has yet to meet that requirement. Where is her father and mother and where is Olen Griffing? These are three people who were contemporaneous witnesses.
CC was 121/2 years old when RM is accused of first molesting her. She was almost 17 when she exposed the abuse. She was almost 23 when statute of limitations expired on the last offense. She could have gone to the police herself at any time in those last 7 years when she was considered an adult by the states of Oklahoma and Texas. She alone bares the responsibility for not doing so.
I’m not a fan of the institutional church system in general or of Gateway in particular. I’m not an RM groupie. But contrary to what some folks believe,
Galatians 6:1 1 Brethren,
even if anyone
is caught in any trespass,
you who are spiritual,
restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness;
each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. NAS
holds the probability that anyone who commits any sin (but the ‘one’ sin) can be forgiven and restored to fellowship and to ministry, if they meet the requirement’s delineated in Matt 18.
Finally, both RM and CC are accountable to the whole body of CHRIST, not just the members of the Gateway congregation and Matt 18 applies to both of them equally.
Wow…. Every time you all have to keep decimating something that’s already been brought about as low as it can get…. Just leaves me speechless, disappointed and well just baffled and how you all can use this much energy focused on someone that has stepped away from ministry and then continue to go after people… how in the world are you all not going to be offended when the Antichrist has his brutal reign…. Not to mention the fact that you’re on social media totally discouraging those that are trying to keep the faith!!!! It is the most heightened demonic attack I’ve ever witnessed from believers that labored together… I hope you all are as perfect as you are presenting yourself to be… or maybe have some awareness of what all of this on social media does to give the enemy more strength …. Exactly why is this on RUclips ? Bizarre …. I don’t hear anyone relying on the Lord to fight this battle… if the Lord can’t bring justice in this situation why do you think this will…. Maybe think of what you would have done in the absence of social media….
I agree.
Sue Mike Bickle if you feel compelled, but leave everyone else alone.