American Airlines backtracks after lawyers blame girl, 9, for not seeing hidden camera in bathroom
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- The airline's attorneys wrote in an answer to the lawsuit involving the 9-year-old from Austin, “She knew or should have known [the compromised lavatory] contained a visible and illuminated recording device." But now, the airline says its outside legal counsel "made an error in the filing."
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Blaming a 9 year old... wow. I really hope the victims sue and get millions.
9 or 40, the book needs to be thrown at them and whatever lawyer wrote that needs to be investigated themselves
Right? What a bunch of absolute monsters. We need to know the names of the attorneys who put this forward!
@@user-tr8fs7lm8ryeah, it's pretty impossible to hide the disgust at their attempt to push blame on an innocent 9-year-old victim. Astonishing
I don’t really want my ticket price increasing so I’ll have to disagree
@@blacknoir2404 maybe fly with an airline that is better at preventing such problems, instead of rewarding the ones with those problems.
The lawyers who drafted that so-called 'defense" should be investigated for ethical lapses and appropriately sanctioned.
Disbarred and his computers scanned....
They basically said child porn is okay...
They could be on the bench in some states.
Pedophile lawyer protecting a fellow craftsman.
As well as the executives of the Insurance company.
It's wrong to blame the victim no matter their age, but blaming a child is disgusting.
Wrong yes, but to avoid loosing money not wrong.
I think the main issue is that they are blaming the airline… like the airline wants these people on their flight.
"Should have _known_ she was _secretly_ being recorded" ???
I imagine that AA secretly records everyone and as they are in public there is no expectation of privacy.... :p
yeah but in a toilet @@archerbob6847
@@archerbob6847
Bathrooms are places where privacy is expected, even in public restrooms.
@@archerbob6847 tell me how many security cameras have you seen in restrooms? I’ll give you a hint. Zero. Because it’s illegal. Now go back to serving drinks on your airplane you weirdo.
Yes ...make it make sense...it was secretly done secretly....
You’ve got to be fking kidding me?? Blaming a 9 yr old child is LUDICROUS 🤬🤬🤬
Smh...whoever made that statement should be named and then fired. Those comments are sick
Airlines will blame anything these days.
Blaming ANYONE for not seeing a hidden camera
Why not? Hilary Clinton did it for a rapist, laughed about it on the radio, and nobody batted an eye.
Name and shame that lawyer. We need to know who they are because clearly they condone predators
SHE'S 9. Children are not very aware of such things. The lawyer who thought that was ok to say should be disbarred.
Most Kids are unaware because of there short attention spans. The lawyer and the whole airplane staff should charged for sexual assault and battery involving minors. the 9 or 14 year old girl did nothing wrong.
Not just more oblivious but even if she saw it she might not of known what it was and thought it was suppose to be there, kids dont have much experience. Heck, I know full grown adults who wouldn’t even have noticed.
@@alexcholagh8330I don’t know about the whole airplane staff 🤨
It doesn't matter if she's aware or not. They're aiding and abetting their employee in multiple underage aexual assaults, and then making excuses for it!!!
@@JakeTurbine it's called being an accomplice. They helped him.
Even if the victim was an adult, she should not be blamed as well, let alone a minor. Unbelievable
!!! this
HOW IS IT THE AIRLINES FAULT THO
They hired him
@@DiscoMiatathey are liable due to him being an employee smh
@@ventriced7608 good looking, I must have missed it, I thought it was a random Joe lol
Blaming a 9 year old isn't an accident they really thought they could just try it.
Time to find another airline that doesn't blame a nine year old child.
Wait until you hear all the other crap American Airlines has done...
Delta!
at least dont fly united, aspecialy when your flying with a guitar
@@Peritashmustdie Is there a story with that comment 😂
@@S_art874 yes there is. a musician flew with united with his band and the ground crew where throwing with cases and his taylor guitar broke, he wanted united to pay for damages and thay refused. so the musician made a song about it called united breaks guitars, natural the stock market reacted to it and united lost more money than a new guitar was worth.
This is right up there with the days of blaming the rape victims for the attacker’s behavior. Disgusting!
You speak as though blaming rape victims for being raped is an artifact of a bygone era. ON the contrary, that's still a criminal defense attorney's go-to argument.
@@tomogden2432Came here to say this too. It’s pretty annoying when people act like this stuff doesn’t happen all the time today in 2024
@@lolawants2008 - yup. It's almost as bad as the idi0ts who say racism in America is over.
Those days are sadly not gone
"Victim" is a bit of a strong word in that case.
Because you always assume a hidden phone is on the toilet your using…blaming the child-despicable!!!😡
My sentiments entirely. Even as an adult, it doesn't cross my mind, when using public toilets, to search for recording devices. . . BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL 🙄🙄🙄
That 9 year old should get 200x the compensation from American Airlines for their horrible treatment of this LITTLE GIRL.
Boycott American airlines.
Shame on American Airlines for essentially blaming the minor 9 year old victim for 😮😢being filmed by an alleged pedophile employee!
American fired the law firm.
I didn’t hear them say it was an employee. Was it?
@@ladymoonpurplem164 with the camera? Yes, was an employee.
There's nothing alleged about it !!! 👺
If someone wasn’t being diligent and read the filed response from this suit and the resulting backlash, American Epstein Airlines definitely would have left the verbiage as is and stood behind their lawyer.
WTF??? How can they blame a 9 year old for not knowing she was being video taped? Thats sick! 😡
That's an "attorney"! Despicable people for the most part.
Law firms like to use templates when creating filings. In this case someone chose to use an inappropriate template, and failed to proofread. There have been cases when firms have blamed victims for being attacked ("Victim knew or should have known she could be raped on premises") and have it blow up in their faces. Someone was stupidly sloppy. And I hope American pays dearly for it.
@@bluemoon2675 my dad always said lawyers and politians are lie and never believe them!
* for not knowing she's being secretly videotaped.
Exactly, even if she did know, does that make it right? No! But in their sick P e D o mindset anything and everything to get their client, I.e. the airline, off is absolutely disgusting, immoral, unethical and they will be judged. 👿
Blaming the 9 year old for what their employee did to children. Wow.
Like blaming the person raped for being raped.
This little girl had her innocence taken and blamed for it!
Merrica
Sickening!
That’s what they do everywhere in the U.S.A., blame the victim, shame the victim, what’s wrong with the victim. When that happens the predator is obvious.
Unfortunately, Hell is fictional.
@@amycimaglia913Agreed.
The airlines must pay the consequences of allowing perverts and making excuses for perverts actions!
Unless he has a prior how would an employer know they’re hiring a pervert? Having said that… making excuses and blaming the children I hope they have to pay dearly. Unfortunately it will not affect the top brass and slime ball lawyers 😡
They are just proving that they are perverts.
Congress will just reward them with more deregulation so they won't be responsible for anything.
Another reason to avoid American Airlines.
The airlines won't pay, all the future passengers will.
AA says this law firm's defense is not representative of their airline. But isn't this law firm literally their legal representative??
No, they were hired by the insurance company. They are the ones trying to avoid having to payout on the case.
Literally and Legally are not always the same thing.
Blaming anyone who used that toilet is pretty egregious, no matter what age they were at the time.
As a 50-ish year old woman, I probably wouldn't know if I was being recorded, so how the heck do you expect a 9 y.o. to know 😡
Sense when is there a light on the toilet. 🤔
And even if you did know, it's not your fault, it's whoever installed the camera! How they blatantly try to invert the situation like this?!
By seeing a phone taped to the commode with a light on?
@@seniormaleWhen they started installing self flushing toilets
@@lumer2bThere's a concept called, "mitigation of damages." If you know you are being harmed or could be harmed, the law expects you to take reasonable steps to minimize that harm. Since there is an insuance company involved and there was something noticable (which is how the employee got caught), that argument is pretty much expected unless insurance decided to concede that argument. The plaintiff's lawyer could have made that argument backfire spectacularly in court as well. Most likely, the lawyer included that argument to protect against malpractice claims.
How dare they blame a child!! Are you kidding??
No, have you been living under a rock? This is how horrible and sickening a world we live in nowadays
And then lawyers wonder why so many people hate them.
Doesn't matter if she's 9 or 90, it's disgusting to blame the victim. The lawyers who thought this was good idea to blame the child should be disbarred since they clearly have no morals.
BOYCOTT AMERICAN AIRLINES !!!!
You gonna walk?
@@DV-ol7vt drive
@@DV-ol7vt and use other airlines. Genius.
There's always road trips
Shame on American Airlines!! I refuse to fly with them every again! Blaming a 9 year old girl? How VILE!!!
Wish I could say that, but it's the only airline that Flys out of the airport here.
@@rjay7019 - drive next time.
@@tomogden2432 I'd rather drive. It's getting hard for me to do that anymore 😕 😪
Family is a couple of days away.
It's almost certainly their insurance company making them fight it because it's their insurance company that will be paying. Plus, insurance almost always want to raise a, "mitigation of damages," defense if there was anything that could have been noticed (as the light from the camera is what eventually resulted in the employee getting caught).
I know of a few schools (both public and private) where the school discovered a teacher was abusing (or worse) a student or students, and reported it to law enforcement. Then, their insurance companys forced them to fight the inevitable lawsuits rather than settle despite the school officials wanting justice to be done for the victims.
Blaming a 9 year old. Wow, how low can you go. Of COURSE they backpedaled. The PR backlash must have been huge on this one...Go, little ladies. Lawyer up!!!!
The age of the victim is of no importance. It is always wrong to blame the victim.
The system is always protecting monsters. SUE THEM FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT!
If by "the system" you mean Corporate America, then yeah. I highly doubt this defense would have prevailed in the legal system had AA not retracted it.
@@kenbob1071It probably would have blown up in their faces in court. At the same time, the lawyer pretty much has to raise a, "mitigation of damages," argument or risk being sued by AA's insurance company.
They called it "Hidden" camera for a reason. The lawyer need a dictionary ?
What camera?Where?
The light was visible, which is how the perpetrator got caught.
I don't blame the defense lawyer for raising that argument due to the concept of, "mitigation of damages." Given that insurance companies have a huge stake in this case, not raising that argument (unless explicitly told by the insurance company not to raise that argument) would open the lawyer up to a malpractice suit. At the same time, I expect that argument would have backfired spectacularly in court. The plaintiff's lawyer gave AA a gift by going to the press, as they redacted that part of their legal response.
@@karlrovey I do wonder if the paralegal who drafted it was aware of the ages of the victims or was told 'iPhone taped to celling with LED on in women's bathroom'
What a sick person, to use his authority as a flight attendant to violate young girls. And shame on the airline for trying to blame the little girl who got violated.
The airline didn't blame her and the lawyer was hired by the insurance company.
Smart 14 year old. Good for her Being so observant.
Blaming a 9 year old for not noticing she’s filmed while using the restroom. Wow.
I hope American Airlines loses business for NOT protecting their passengers!
Hear, hear.
It's impossible to investigate thousands of employees and thousands of flights every day...a few bad incidents doesn't mean anything. There's no way to prevent everything from happening without doubling the price of a ticket.
It’s called a HIDDEN CAMERA for a reason. I despair at times over human stupidity and greed.
Well, It's not just AI that you have to worry about, but the natural stupidity that certain people...
Amazing how they even BOTHERED to lawyer up with any kind of a defense instead of owning up to it, firing and HELPING prosecute the employee, and generally being on the family's side.
Victim blaming at its finest…
Absolutely. That is exactly what they are doing. Look at that picture, I can’t even tell there’s a phone there, and I know it’s there. Under the note that says seat broken. Disgusting, airline. Disgusting company. They need to make major changes. Fire every executive and CEO. They all have to go.
Attorneys blaming a nine year old. Nice.
You forgot the
*/S*
The funny thing about the idea of being "secretly recorded", is you aren't supposed to know you're being recorded. It's kind of in the "secret" bit.
Secret was out when the perpetrator left the phone light on.
It's even funnier that there aren't supposed to be cameras in the toilet at all, for obvious reasons. So why would someone think there's a camera in a place there isn't supposed to be one?
Victim blaming a 9 year old is wild
This is the new 'normal'. Nothing is ever the 'authorities' fault. Blame the victim, or give them the standard: 'what's the harm?' Anyone going into an American Airlines bathroom should just assume they are going to be recorded or don't go in? Do we have to search the bathroom when we get in there? These lawyers have no shame, and no ethics.
Just like those kids in Uvalde, it's their own fault for not ducking.
Lawyers are liars
Those kids should have known there was gonna be a pew pewing that day! How dare they blame the brave crim....policemen for not reacting quickly enough to stop it! They were scared, can't they see that?? Oh the humanity of it all, sending those "supposedly" "highly trained", body armor wearing, armed men into harms way like that! There should be a law against expecting law enforcement to do their job!
@@chrispreston5100 WOW......... I always thought I was sarcastic...........
You are a true master of the art, a sage! I am humbled!!!!!!😁😁😁
What do you mean NEW? What’s new is that people don’t side with that idea
American Airlines should use that excuse at trial and see what the jury thinks.
Historically it has worked very well to blame the victim
I think the parents should also sue the attorney(s) who made that "defense" statement for defamation of a minor crime victim.
Not only is this completely wrong, but they’re inflicting terrible terrible mental anguish onto the child. Which I am assuming they’re going to sue for.
American’s CEO is figuring out how much it’s going to cost him to pay for this mess. Attacking a child because his employee recorded her illegally in a bathroom on a plane just added a zero to the settlement that he’s going to have to pay out.
Make it multiple zeros
Let’s say she knew… it’s still really illegal and that’s your employee that you poorly supervised.
And the point is the perv’s filming of the privates of minors over time is illegal and sick! Saying a 9 yr old ‘knew’ is a wink away from implying her allowing it: Total despicable 😢 BS!
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Poorly supervised would imply there was supervision happening.
@@jasondyrkacz8270 Poorly supervised implies little to no supervision which makes it worse. They reluctantly failed to supervise their employee, and if they actually did supervise to any degree, they simply chose to ignore which is clear and utter negligence!
American Airlines should be ashamed!
It’s 100% a representation of America Airlines as a company.
Notice how they said "allegations" against a former employee.
I know its lawyer speak. Just interesting how they have absolutely no soul at all.
AA says this law firm's defense is not representative of their airline. But isn't this law firm literally their legal representative??
@@kenbob1071when you get sued like this as a large business with insurance, your insurance company retains counsel and runs the show. How do I know? I've sued a professional, aka his insurance company, and fought with them for a decade. He even wanted to settle, but they wouldn't do it and dragged it on. Insurance companies are the absolute worst. I actually believe AA here because I've seen how ridiculous insurance companies can be.
It’s 100% a representation of how America is
@@apexnextA very strange comment. Yes in court cases they call it an allegation until the person has been found guilty. It’s an important difference between Dictatorships and Free Countries. We may know this scumbag is a monster but everyone has the right to a fair trial. In this case hopefully leading to an indefinite stay at the grey bar hotel, with a cell mate that doesn’t like nonces.
American Airlines what a despicable position to take. Remind me to find other carriers who do not harbor pervert on staff.
Haven't you figured out that most people with money and power in this country are pedophiles.
We only fly Southwest! For many reasons!
Good luck.
Why would anyone think a camera should be in the bathroom?
Wow. That's crazy. She's 9 years old. Boycott the Airline
It's never appropriate to blame ANY victim of a crime regardless of age. Outrageous.
That poor child! 😢 Special place in hell for him.
If only. Hell is fictional.
And the lawyers as well
@@joevarga5982 Nah. You'll find out shortly.
@@lonebikeroftheapocalypse9527 That's just a scare tactic that's worked on chumps like you for over 2,000 years. Why stop now?
An eternity of woodchipper action.
I cannot imagine how anyone would consider that an appropriate defense
What ever made them think that blaming a 9 year old victim was a good idea… WTF
He is literally guilty
Glad it’s not figuratively guilty 😂
They try to trick the system by not arguing the criminal’s innocence but arguing that it’s the victims fault for not preventing their own victimization. Only recently have some people stopped falling for it
Those disgusting Lawyers for Airlines should be disbarred‼️
No, they shouldn't...being disbarred is a serious matter and saying something stupid or using a poor legal strategy is in no way grounds for disbarment. Putting exclamation points doesn't make you correct.
@@lonewolf4429sounds like you'd say something similar hmm wonder why főŏls of a perverted feather flock together
@@lonewolf4429 imagine defending that type of bs smh crashing out indeed
Anything for that money huh. Even blaming a kid
The lawyer needs to be put on the Sexual Predator List .
No, he doesn't...do you even know what the sex offender registry is for? That is an absurd suggestion.
@@lonewolf4429 you must be the idįot lawyer that wrote that gross defense for the airlines, have fun being discarded and sued out the Ying yang you ďůmmy😂
@@lonewolf4429 perv alert
WTF The company is blaming the 9 year old girl?
How low can they get?
clearly they started playing the blame game, blaming the company for a pervert's actions, they got defensive and people say stupid things when they get defensive.
@PandaMan02 a two word legal doctrine applies here to what you call "blame game" - "respondeat superior"...
...the accused perp pervert FA was an employee of AA at the time, and was working on the clock for AA at the time that happened - so, the FA was, insofar as the 9 year old girl and her parents were concerned, the face of American Airlines...
...so, the FA, as a person given certain authority by AA, was conferred a presumption by AA that the FA could be trusted, and that trustworthiness in him by passengers was warranted...
...so the employer, under "respondeat superior", can be justifiably held liable.
So.....nine-year-old should assume that all American Airlines bathrooms have cameras??
Geez they just hit a new low
So disgusting
That guy will get some payback when he gets sent to jail
"If" he gets sent to jail. Not "when". Our justice system is broken. Probation is a distinct possibility.
@@MakerInMotion Trump gets away with most of his high crimes b/c he is rich and powerful. This AA employee won't b/c he doesn't have the big bucks.
If P.Diddy needs a new lawyer, maybe he can get this one.
A British barrister at best, those guys are top notch.
Predators that predate together…
..get Epstein’d together
Defense be like: "She probably liked it. It was mutual."
American airlines should needs to fire their lawyers.
Who were the lawyers for the airline?
They deserve to be cancelled.
Yes Name them!
Just when you think society has reached its all-time low, it sinks to an even more egregious level of depravity.
WTF they did not even apologize for blaming the little girl.
What is going on with airlines? Shrinking seats, raising fares, planes falling apart, hours spent on the tarmac so the airline doesn’t have to pay a gate fee, no accountability for poor service or criminal behavior.
Wait, what TF?! How on earth is she supposed to know that?! Gtfoh are they kidding?
110%
"A 9 year old should have a known she was being recorded". What kind of F'n lawyer did AA hire? A real snappy lawyer can even claim a class action lawsuit based on that stupid response because who knows how many others have been recorded and they too "should have known".
Lawyer knows no shame. Period.
Some lawyers are the lowest of lows.
Sure, suck it up now. AA got caught red handed and they are trying to wiggle out of their own mess!
AA did NOT get caught red handed, the employee did..obviously AA did not sanction cameras in the bathroom.
@@lonewolf4429 So why did American Airlines BLAME THE GIRL for not seeing the camera?
@@lonewolf4429 EMPLOYEES are representatives of the company they work for. And yes, AA tried to wiggle out of THEIR OWN MESS by trying to blame the 9 year old girl for their employees actions! What an idiot!
AA would have reviewed the written response of outside counsel. Someone inside the company approved it, so offloading blame is baloney.
There shouldn't be any cameras inside any bathroom in the first place...
And to think American Airlines blamed a child victim instead of addressing the actual problem.
Shame on American Airlines. Do better.
Do you think American even knew about the hidden cell phone? You seem to think it was deliberately installed by the airline. Take a deep breath and think about what you wrote.
Next time lawyers will be blaming a murder victim for not dodging the bullet.
Give him and the airlines attorney's capital punishment, and make America Airlines pay these girls everything its got.
So, you want to kill everybody? You seem like a loose cannon.
You do realize that eventually the cost will be passed on the all the customers down the road right? Will YOU pay for the increase for my ticket?
American Airlines backtracking? Really, who would guess. You cannot back track it's too late, we all know what your culture is now. As for that attorney, is he on YOUR payroll? If so, I want to see him fired immediately. You have a very sick corporation You CANNOT be redeemed.
Wow, taking blame-the-victim to new heights.
WOW, who thought this was a good defense?
Boycott this airline now!
So blame the company and all of its thousands of employees for the actions of one disturbed employee? Yes that's very logical of you.
Id like the name of the lawyer that came up with that defense.
Exactly. Why isn’t the media calling out the firm and the specific attorney. The elite and media still protect each other as they are all P e D o’s. 👿
No one does victim shaming quite like a defense attorney. 😬
And the attorney that came up with that argument could be your next door neighbor, people are so sick.
This is disturbing on so many levels. American Airlines f'ed up, and so did the insurance company who hired an attorney that blamed a child. My kids wouldn't have known, but I'm sure the cops would've been arresting me the day my kid found the phone, so different situation.
Hmmm wouldn't blaming the entire company for one employee's actions also be akin to victim blaming? Would it not be fair and correct to say he acted independently of the company's morals, values, policies, and training? Is the company also not a victim of his immoral decision?
@@NamesZKP His behavior isn't the airlines fault. Their response to the situation is. 🤷
Each girl should get a million dollars for however old they are tax-free
More than 1 million!
And be given their own 82 million dollar aircraft.
Settlements & judgements for damages in court cases are not subject to local, state, or federal taxation.
I identify as 69 years old
This is the most American thing ever 😂
Wow. Now adults think it's okay to blame a nine year old.
Yeah, they need to investigate that lawyer!
This is shameful.
I know kids today are more tech-savvy, but I doubt that they are expecting to detect and anticipate finding hidden cameras in a plane's restroom
To be fair, the attorneys work for the insurance company that provides the airline's liability insurance, not the airline. So there's no incentive to take the airline's best interest into consideration as their job is to minimize insurance payouts.
This law firm is doomed, why would you want them to represent your company!?
Never
But yet the media has yet to call them out by name. Who is the firm and whose name is the Attorney on the filed paperwork? Media should hound this sick person to shame them. Only way to stop these p E d O 👿
I will never fly American airlines again! Thank you lawyers!
Even if we say the kid knew, for the sake of argument, it doesn’t make it right. They still need to take responsibility
PR department must have been screaming in horror once they found out about this.
2:11 “Our *outside legal counsel retained with our insurance company* …” Boy, AA is still trying to evade responsibility by shifting blame to “external sources.” They need to just give a simple apology and settle with the victims for generous amounts instead of continuing to cover their behinds …
I'm glad I am not an American airlines customer and never will be