The Quality Award in Japan is called the Deming prize. It was named after Dr W. Edwards Deming who taught the Japanese Statistical Process Control (SPC) in the 1950’s. These quality techniques were pioneered at Bell Labs in the 1940’s. This allowed Japan after the devastation of WW2 to move from low cost producers of cheap products to one of the most technically proficient manufacturing countries is the world. The award was so popular in Japan that it was broadcast on live TV.
The Three Musicalteers I doubt that I would be watching the three of you on RUclips had I not inherited my fathers Marantz 2238B and the whole global thing hadn't happened, my attention would have remained focused elsewhere if not for those two events. All that being said, I am really enjoying my mostly vintage budget stereo system. I have two sets of excellent ADS speakers, L570/2 and L780/2. I also have a Technics SL-1500 turntable that doesn't get used much because I mostly listen to CDs played on my SL-PD8 carousel changer with a Schiit MODI+ remote DAC. I'm satisfied with what I have and not chasing 'new & improved', but I do enjoy hearing what the three of you have to say about new and old gear. Keep it going, and have fun.
Sansui G-7700 here… owned 20 years and never turn power it off, still going strong! Definitely needs some de-oxit from time to time, but hey, she’s a beauty.
for sure when in 76 i told most of my family in the christmas dinner ,"i´m going to buy a sansui complete system , a cousin i have 5 years older than me was almost close to my chair at the table , i said very loud i just bought a pioneer system, just kidding as except my father all were Pioneer Freaks which today i´m happy as i have most of the high-end systems produced by pioneer and either than some chap electric parts they needed nothing else but i notice that on speakers first, and direct sound if the amplifier is good the sound is also very good doesn´t need to be a tube amplifier , when i started to buy more cds i for the first time started to use equalizers i had them in the 70´s and never put them on and were several times better than 80´s or 90´s equalizers my better ones are the technics with several frequencies two lines of them frequencies and a phase linear series two that is a parametric one , other thing i noticed is the tendencie to increase high´s the reason why after noticing that i was using the treble at max position was the sound bellow is very poor in expensive integrated amplifiers after 1980 , when cds apeared i was liking them but i was using a pioneer SX-1980 with some HPM-1100 and i had the first sony cd player and it sounded good with new Lp´s that were released but old ones ,one would notice the non heard guitars mainly but when in 89 i bought a entire new system that i had a 82 Esprit series system with big boxy speakers it started to fail so in 84 the pioneer receiver again, ofered to me by my crazy cousin. In 88 ,i think i bought my first standart cd player a PD-7300 from pioneer it looked nice but when going to buy a cd i was already with it choosen in my mind but i arrived to the musixc store and another new Lp´s were there so instead of buying a cd i used to buy two records as they sounded perfect so till 93 i had only 7 cds but a friend of mine just met was very rich and he would buy every record after cds from every band that was fashion at the time and when he entered my home and asked me what music is now good , do you have anything good and i would tell him ,one time REM, after a couple of days he had all Lp´s from REM including the first E.P. the last was when they changed from IRS to warner records , GREEN ,i had renocking only and i was happy with is buying which i recorded to reels or cassette depending in what i had blank, also i had a cassette recorded maybe in 83 with songs a friend from a litle village had , Dream Syndicate i had "a bullet got my name on it" and "medicine show" ,so either than REM records he bought all till then from Dream syndicate that after listening ,it had songs i liked but not all, and cds i had anythjing i could think of having but in reality bought 7 till 93, so instead of buying a DACV buy a old 70´s amplifier or receiver it will sound a lot better with some nice modern speakers, but anything , don´t have to be peaky
Electronic repair is becoming very scarce ... I'm a hobbiest and I have good friend s who repair electronics however they are two hrs away from me ...most vintage is well made and usually easy to fix however it can become complicated and then you are left spending a ton on repair , travelling, I just had my Nak receiver tuner alignment and my repair bill was $379. Arrrrgg. However the receiver is ideling perfect and sounds awesome
I had to drive five hours to get my 45 year old Yamaha CA1010 amp and NS1000 Yamaha speakers refurbished. Cost 700 dollars. Worth every penny and drive. My system sounds awesome and he guarantees his work. Plus he posts a detailed description of his repairs on his facebook feed.
W. Edwards Demming, the king of Quality Assurance is the man who went to Japan and revolutionized their industries.He was told to pound sand in the USA, but the Japanese listened to him. He is largely responsible for the success of the Japanese car and electronics industries.
I'm running an Akai AA-1150, its in fantastic condition and sounds incredible with the ifi zen phono 3 preamp, technics sl q2 with the vm95ml and dbx soundfield 50 speakers!
@ Steve and Andrew Robinson (Austin Dude) are very good at reviewing products and I am subscribed to both. However, how many people can actually afford 90% of the products that Steve reviews? Very few and that’s okay- just a different audience. Andrew reviews products that go from beginner to very advanced hifi and does an awesome job of explaining all of the nuances of the products. On the other hand- Randy, Kevin, and Old Guy generally do content on lower cost, hidden gems, and widely available products. I think it would be hilarious to have them all on a show sometime. Randy talking about his newest cheap amplifier for under $300, Steve explaining how his new favorite setup for just shy of $100K will blow away Randy’s setup, Andrew chiming in with his analysis of the sound quality’s of the 2 systems, Old Guy letting everyone know that Harmon Kardon actually invented and owns the Patents to the circuitry that makes the incredible sound, and Kevin asking if we could all just get along and agree that cost doesn’t mean something sounds good. Andrew could close with, The only person who has to like your sound is you- while Randy and Steve are talking in the background about what the definition of “Cheap” is 🤣
I just got the notification for this Livestream maybe 20 minutes ago. I was watching it for 10-15 minutes then tried to chat. Then I got on my phone to try to chat. Found out I was watching a replay. Thanks, YT. 🤬
Randy...we both have the Realistic STA 2270 ...Made by Fostex for Realistic and it was on the front of of Consumer Reports in 1984 rave reviews ...made in Japan using NEC transistor output stage
Love my pioneer sx 828. Complete restore done. It was mint nearly unused given to me. Had a channel out so I had my guy restore it. Replaced everything. Huge bag of parts. Should be good for 40-50 years.
Catching up late- greets from Cape Town, South Africa - fellow Audiogeek here - love both the vintage and new tech- also watches and hats! Grew up splicing reels ...
As a long time audio nut, doing repairs is the missing piece of the puzzle for me. Now that I'm retired I'm seriously looking at taking college classes to gain skills in this area.
crazy guys do better repairs, it´s my experience but he was german ,no one understood what he shouted but i know , "JAPANESE CRAP ;take it from my oficine" but they used to left it there and he repaired it perfect ,he was a electronic engenier when deutsch had a neighborhood inside my hometown ,he was a repair man to jet fighter planes electronic systems in the 70´s, Nato or otan airforce. He liked me has i used to take there all european brands systems i bought from them when living to germany ,so, dutch ,hum...good ,deutsch ,hum...good ,he became my friend as i also had portable radio cassette player from philips, one day i took there a portable but not movable crown giant boombox and he looked at me with his eyes down but said nothing, he´s sick now not able to work anymore
Replying to the guy about high noise floor...listen to the new stuff if you only listen to 1kHz. Vintage equipment was rated from 20-20kHz, both channels driven at rated output. Now it's just rated at 1kHz. That doesn't tell you anything!
Randy is right about the Fluance RT-82. I bought one a couple weeks ago and it can't be beat for the price. U-Turn and Music Hall might be the only competitors. I'd also add, that if you don't plan to upgrade and go high-end in the future, the RT-81 is a perfectly respectable turntable. There is NO competition for entry level tables versus the RT-81.
I am so bummed that I missed this love but am really enjoying it so far. Kevin’s store is in my home town and is only 2 miles from my Mom’s house. I love going there when I’m in town. Thanks to all three of you for your enjoyable content!
@@danwheetman6914 there are NO better speakers for under $1k than used ADS They’re accurate, fun, and satisfy most all my favorite traits in sound especially the L1230, L810(series2), and L980 They were made 15 minutes form where i live and people in new England are crazy for these and theres tons of them
You guys need to check out the Realistic STA-95. Beautiful to look at and sounds great. By the by, I appreciate and thoroughly enjoy all 3 of your content. Infact, I've seen 95% of all three your videos. Thank you, Travis Rocheleau
say you, say me... a song from the 80´s , and in Europe prices started rising in 2017 starting after the summer, i bought a pioneer from 79 that they call it now blue line cost me 150€, now 5.000€ the SA-9700, it had a blown fuse 10 cents.and for 50€ the first frontal cassette deck sold by Technics by panasonic(bellow) it was up but the mechanism was in horizontal just a up part to make it vertical, nice, that neded some fixing but paid 35€ for the repair
i think it´s furacão , hurricane in portuguese , powerfull and cheap there was mainly the professional material but they also did a home system that costed half a receiver from pioneer and had 6 times more power and didn´t make any noise when not playing but , on
Surface mount components can be changed just the same as through hole. Just need a different set of tools and skills. I do it at my desk all the time. It's the same knowledge of how stuff works though just different(available) components.
Excellent amplifier. I have the Leak version, the 3900A, which was built by Rotel for Leak. Internally identical. Very clean sound with an excellent phono stage. The weak point is the volume control potentiometer, if it breaks you're stuffed.
the guy from my generation will teach you a thing or two like in the year 1980 all brands decreased their quality and it was like...that thing we expel from our body when sitting in a toilet, so 70´s equipment that i have a entire room filled with it is the best ever made and evolution means cut expensies and increase profit, so....buy old but check if it works, not use sunscreen as the other guy said, but follow is advice ,i only when 47 caught my first sunburn, in a beach i used to go camping since i was 16 ,heaven on earth, i use to think when there, this a lot of years before Linda carlisle sing it ,she wanted to be a punk rocker but the others thought , a barbie in our band? was better for her
warranty , what about sound quality ,i only use old because it sound better even macintosh from the 70´s was several times better not just a litle, turntables they were so much evolved that aren´t comparable with this new ...vinyl readers, in the past we had records and turntables, starting in 72 direct drive after a few years quartz engines, remenber watches , cartridges too, MM almost non heardable more low volume than MC cartridges that sounded perfect the something black S from Ortofon was very expensuive and is there ,maybe one day i have nothing else and i´ll use it even stylus were several times better not just a few hours of use, but one didn´t had to think about it
I grew up buying and selling old hifi gear, and frankly, I feel sorry for the absolute mental cases buying and selling old junk for frankly deranged lunatic mental case lost your medication prices these days. Even funnier is simply how much of the vintage equipment completely sucks ass yet is waxxed lyrical about by RUclips reviewers who clearly live in some virtual Minecraft world. As such I have walked away, I will never again own old classics because the costs are an absolute rip off, I want another Rotel RA1412, but those things cost £120 in my day, I will never own a pair of LS3/5a or IMF Proffesional monitors, never own any of the classic oldies I used to pick up for beer money in my day.
I couldn't agree more. I had an SX1980 in the 90's and I couldn't give it away. I got £100 for it in the end. It was considered old junk, and was easily outperfomed by a NAD c370. I cannot believe the prices people are paying for this old gear. I used to pay £20 for Garrard 401's as most people thought they were obsolete, rumbly old crap.
I love getting to hear conversations like this from people in the know that you feel are honest! Big thanks to all three of you!
The Quality Award in Japan is called the Deming prize. It was named after Dr W. Edwards Deming who taught the Japanese Statistical Process Control (SPC) in the 1950’s. These quality techniques were pioneered at Bell Labs in the 1940’s. This allowed Japan after the devastation of WW2 to move from low cost producers of cheap products to one of the most technically proficient manufacturing countries is the world. The award was so popular in Japan that it was broadcast on live TV.
Thanks for the vintage discussion. I learned a lot! More please!!
Goonies never say die!
Thank you so much!
So much fun to see you guys together!
The Three Musicalteers
I doubt that I would be watching the three of you on RUclips had I not inherited my fathers Marantz 2238B and the whole global thing hadn't happened, my attention would have remained focused elsewhere if not for those two events. All that being said, I am really enjoying my mostly vintage budget stereo system. I have two sets of excellent ADS speakers, L570/2 and L780/2. I also have a Technics SL-1500 turntable that doesn't get used much because I mostly listen to CDs played on my SL-PD8 carousel changer with a Schiit MODI+ remote DAC. I'm satisfied with what I have and not chasing 'new & improved', but I do enjoy hearing what the three of you have to say about new and old gear.
Keep it going, and have fun.
Sansui G-7700 here… owned 20 years and never turn power it off, still going strong!
Definitely needs some de-oxit from time to time, but hey, she’s a beauty.
for sure when in 76 i told most of my family in the christmas dinner ,"i´m going to buy a sansui complete system , a cousin i have 5 years older than me was almost close to my chair at the table , i said very loud i just bought a pioneer system, just kidding as except my father all were Pioneer Freaks which today i´m happy as i have most of the high-end systems produced by pioneer and either than some chap electric parts they needed nothing else but i notice that on speakers first, and direct sound if the amplifier is good the sound is also very good doesn´t need to be a tube amplifier , when i started to buy more cds i for the first time started to use equalizers i had them in the 70´s and never put them on and were several times better than 80´s or 90´s equalizers my better ones are the technics with several frequencies two lines of them frequencies and a phase linear series two that is a parametric one , other thing i noticed is the tendencie to increase high´s the reason why after noticing that i was using the treble at max position was the sound bellow is very poor in expensive integrated amplifiers after 1980 , when cds apeared i was liking them but i was using a pioneer SX-1980 with some HPM-1100 and i had the first sony cd player and it sounded good with new Lp´s that were released but old ones ,one would notice the non heard guitars mainly but when in 89 i bought a entire new system that i had a 82 Esprit series system with big boxy speakers it started to fail so in 84 the pioneer receiver again, ofered to me by my crazy cousin. In 88 ,i think i bought my first standart cd player a PD-7300 from pioneer it looked nice but when going to buy a cd i was already with it choosen in my mind but i arrived to the musixc store and another new Lp´s were there so instead of buying a cd i used to buy two records as they sounded perfect so till 93 i had only 7 cds but a friend of mine just met was very rich and he would buy every record after cds from every band that was fashion at the time and when he entered my home and asked me what music is now good , do you have anything good and i would tell him ,one time REM, after a couple of days he had all Lp´s from REM including the first E.P. the last was when they changed from IRS to warner records , GREEN ,i had renocking only and i was happy with is buying which i recorded to reels or cassette depending in what i had blank, also i had a cassette recorded maybe in 83 with songs a friend from a litle village had , Dream Syndicate i had "a bullet got my name on it" and "medicine show" ,so either than REM records he bought all till then from Dream syndicate that after listening ,it had songs i liked but not all, and cds i had anythjing i could think of having but in reality bought 7 till 93, so instead of buying a DACV buy a old 70´s amplifier or receiver it will sound a lot better with some nice modern speakers, but anything , don´t have to be peaky
Thanks to Kevin for mentioning the STK's from Pyramid-Audio in Austin. They are making solid state replacements for STK's for several versions.
Electronic repair is becoming very scarce ... I'm a hobbiest and I have good friend s who repair electronics however they are two hrs away from me ...most vintage is well made and usually easy to fix however it can become complicated and then you are left spending a ton on repair , travelling, I just had my Nak receiver tuner alignment and my repair bill was $379. Arrrrgg. However the receiver is ideling perfect and sounds awesome
I hope not. I luckily found someone near myself.
I had to drive five hours to get my 45 year old Yamaha CA1010 amp and NS1000 Yamaha speakers refurbished. Cost 700 dollars. Worth every penny and drive. My system sounds awesome and he guarantees his work. Plus he posts a detailed description of his repairs on his facebook feed.
W. Edwards Demming, the king of Quality Assurance is the man who went to Japan and revolutionized their industries.He was told to pound sand in the USA, but the Japanese listened to him. He is largely responsible for the success of the Japanese car and electronics industries.
I'm running an Akai AA-1150, its in fantastic condition and sounds incredible with the ifi zen phono 3 preamp, technics sl q2 with the vm95ml and dbx soundfield 50 speakers!
3 of my favorite audio channels
All you need is to add Steve Gutenberg and the new dude from Austin
@ Steve and Andrew Robinson (Austin Dude) are very good at reviewing products and I am subscribed to both. However, how many people can actually afford 90% of the products that Steve reviews? Very few and that’s okay- just a different audience. Andrew reviews products that go from beginner to very advanced hifi and does an awesome job of explaining all of the nuances of the products. On the other hand- Randy, Kevin, and Old Guy generally do content on lower cost, hidden gems, and widely available products. I think it would be hilarious to have them all on a show sometime. Randy talking about his newest cheap amplifier for under $300, Steve explaining how his new favorite setup for just shy of $100K will blow away Randy’s setup, Andrew chiming in with his analysis of the sound quality’s of the 2 systems, Old Guy letting everyone know that Harmon Kardon actually invented and owns the Patents to the circuitry that makes the incredible sound, and Kevin asking if we could all just get along and agree that cost doesn’t mean something sounds good. Andrew could close with, The only person who has to like your sound is you- while Randy and Steve are talking in the background about what the definition of “Cheap” is 🤣
I agree with randy on the Marantz Gyro Tuner. But the font, the symmetry, the lights... 🤩 (also the cosmetic reparability, cases and faceplates)
I think the PC Builder generation has a bit of a grasp on learning vintage hifi repair. I still find it a little scary when I open up a vintage piece.
I just got the notification for this Livestream maybe 20 minutes ago. I was watching it for 10-15 minutes then tried to chat. Then I got on my phone to try to chat. Found out I was watching a replay.
Thanks, YT. 🤬
You sold me on wonting Yamaha . I love a crunchy midrange for playing slayer .
Thanks for the vintage chat... it's my hobby for sure.
You guys are so awesome! Thanks. Subscriber to all 3 previously. I will check out your new suggestions…
Randy...we both have the Realistic STA 2270 ...Made by Fostex for Realistic and it was on the front of of Consumer Reports in 1984 rave reviews ...made in Japan using NEC transistor output stage
Love my pioneer sx 828. Complete restore done. It was mint nearly unused given to me. Had a channel out so I had my guy restore it. Replaced everything. Huge bag of parts. Should be good for 40-50 years.
Those were the top of the line when they made them .
it´s very good sounding i have the 838 but all before were good in sound
Catching up late- greets from Cape Town, South Africa - fellow Audiogeek here - love both the vintage and new tech- also watches and hats! Grew up splicing reels ...
As a long time audio nut, doing repairs is the missing piece of the puzzle for me. Now that I'm retired I'm seriously looking at taking college classes to gain skills in this area.
crazy guys do better repairs, it´s my experience but he was german ,no one understood what he shouted but i know , "JAPANESE CRAP ;take it from my oficine" but they used to left it there and he repaired it perfect ,he was a electronic engenier when deutsch had a neighborhood inside my hometown ,he was a repair man to jet fighter planes electronic systems in the 70´s, Nato or otan airforce. He liked me has i used to take there all european brands systems i bought from them when living to germany ,so, dutch ,hum...good ,deutsch ,hum...good ,he became my friend as i also had portable radio cassette player from philips, one day i took there a portable but not movable crown giant boombox and he looked at me with his eyes down but said nothing, he´s sick now not able to work anymore
Replying to the guy about high noise floor...listen to the new stuff if you only listen to 1kHz. Vintage equipment was rated from 20-20kHz, both channels driven at rated output. Now it's just rated at 1kHz. That doesn't tell you anything!
Randy is right about the Fluance RT-82. I bought one a couple weeks ago and it can't be beat for the price. U-Turn and Music Hall might be the only competitors. I'd also add, that if you don't plan to upgrade and go high-end in the future, the RT-81 is a perfectly respectable turntable. There is NO competition for entry level tables versus the RT-81.
I am so bummed that I missed this love but am really enjoying it so far. Kevin’s store is in my home town and is only 2 miles from my Mom’s house. I love going there when I’m in town. Thanks to all three of you for your enjoyable content!
Haven't heard you mention the brand B&K Components Ltd products, which I have many and love the sound quality.
Download for my drive tomorrow 🤘
ADS speakers? Any thoughts, don’t hear much about them.
@@danwheetman6914 there are NO better speakers for under $1k than used ADS
They’re accurate, fun, and satisfy most all my favorite traits in sound especially the L1230, L810(series2), and L980
They were made 15 minutes form where i live and people in new England are crazy for these and theres tons of them
You guys need to check out the Realistic STA-95. Beautiful to look at and sounds great. By the by, I appreciate and thoroughly enjoy all 3 of your content. Infact, I've seen 95% of all three your videos.
Thank you, Travis Rocheleau
Yeah Randy you really don't want to hear the A12 Classic, unless you have some money on hand.
say you, say me... a song from the 80´s , and in Europe prices started rising in 2017 starting after the summer, i bought a pioneer from 79 that they call it now blue line cost me 150€, now 5.000€ the SA-9700, it had a blown fuse 10 cents.and for 50€ the first frontal cassette deck sold by Technics by panasonic(bellow) it was up but the mechanism was in horizontal just a up part to make it vertical, nice, that neded some fixing but paid 35€ for the repair
Best sleeper brand in vintage - Nikko
i think it´s furacão , hurricane in portuguese , powerfull and cheap there was mainly the professional material but they also did a home system that costed half a receiver from pioneer and had 6 times more power and didn´t make any noise when not playing but , on
nikko was very good ,in my country not a sleeper ,only people with some money could buy their systems
The Audiophile Stooges love NIKKO and think they are an unsung hero in vintage HiFi
Vintage audio is interesting only if you have the skills to do your repairs or know someone who can do them at a reasonable price.
I fell asleep, but still interesting chat.
Doing some diagnosis - was the audio crackly? My Bifrost might be on the fritz.
Surface mount components can be changed just the same as through hole. Just need a different set of tools and skills. I do it at my desk all the time. It's the same knowledge of how stuff works though just different(available) components.
What do you think about the rotel RA1312/
Excellent amplifier. I have the Leak version, the 3900A, which was built by Rotel for Leak. Internally identical. Very clean sound with an excellent phono stage. The weak point is the volume control potentiometer, if it breaks you're stuffed.
That was a great stream...
SMD isn’t so scary. It just requires a few hundred dollars extra in tools to test and repair. The diagnostics is all the same.
Fisher 4035?
Nelion Audio in Michigan repairs and restores Carver amps.
Pioneer SX 1980. Over $10 K lol hee hee hee and just imagine that price in Canadian 😅😅😂
A fool and their money are easily parted.
Kevin.. the loss of tech is sadly global!
the guy from my generation will teach you a thing or two like in the year 1980 all brands decreased their quality and it was like...that thing we expel from our body when sitting in a toilet, so 70´s equipment that i have a entire room filled with it is the best ever made and evolution means cut expensies and increase profit, so....buy old but check if it works, not use sunscreen as the other guy said, but follow is advice ,i only when 47 caught my first sunburn, in a beach i used to go camping since i was 16 ,heaven on earth, i use to think when there, this a lot of years before Linda carlisle sing it ,she wanted to be a punk rocker but the others thought , a barbie in our band? was better for her
warranty , what about sound quality ,i only use old because it sound better even macintosh from the 70´s was several times better not just a litle, turntables they were so much evolved that aren´t comparable with this new ...vinyl readers, in the past we had records and turntables, starting in 72 direct drive after a few years quartz engines, remenber watches , cartridges too, MM almost non heardable more low volume than MC cartridges that sounded perfect the something black S from Ortofon was very expensuive and is there ,maybe one day i have nothing else and i´ll use it even stylus were several times better not just a few hours of use, but one didn´t had to think about it
Go Ed!
Crap, I missed the one with Kevin AND Ed !!! Hopefully you had fun without me…
Value is only based on what the market will pay for it. If some rich people blow 10k on a system good on them. Markets will change over time.
I grew up buying and selling old hifi gear, and frankly, I feel sorry for the absolute mental cases buying and selling old junk for frankly deranged lunatic mental case lost your medication prices these days.
Even funnier is simply how much of the vintage equipment completely sucks ass yet is waxxed lyrical about by RUclips reviewers who clearly live in some virtual Minecraft world.
As such I have walked away, I will never again own old classics because the costs are an absolute rip off, I want another Rotel RA1412, but those things cost £120 in my day, I will never own a pair of LS3/5a or IMF Proffesional monitors, never own any of the classic oldies I used to pick up for beer money in my day.
I couldn't agree more. I had an SX1980 in the 90's and I couldn't give it away. I got £100 for it in the end. It was considered old junk, and was easily outperfomed by a NAD c370. I cannot believe the prices people are paying for this old gear. I used to pay £20 for Garrard 401's as most people thought they were obsolete, rumbly old crap.
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