I would like to add that a wing collar shirt only goes with a seamless / sized bow tie. If you wear an adjustable bow tie with a wing collar the clasp will be visible. Although I have a tailored bow tie and could go with a wing collar I still prefer turn down collars. There is also a shirt style with textured fabric and a fly front which is what I prefer. I've got two of them. One is tailored and the other one is Turnbull & Assers Casino Royale shirt.
I generally recommend against the wing collar option. First, it makes you look like a waiter. Second, it's damned near impossible to find a fitted black bow tie these days, and you should never wear an adjustable tie with a wing collar. The only sources I've found in the last few years are in the UK.
0:19 I cannot take advice from you seriously when almost all your suits seem to have the dreaded shoulder divot. It's glaring, I'm not sure how you/an experienced tailor have not corrected this. The drape does not look seamless and the divots are really difficult to ignore.
I’ve got a pleated evening shirt which I’m going to wear with my blue-velvet dinner jacket to my grandfather’s oxford ball, and switch out an evening scarf for a scarf in the clan tartan. Looks casually elegant, like you’re not trying too hard, which is exactly what I like.
Since the pandemic I haven’t had a reason to dress nice anymore. I used to dress super dapper but now I wear jeans and joggers. Plus I’ve gained 10lbs and look like total shit. Maybe there will be a time for me to get back in shape and start dressing nice again.
Must the tuxedo shirt always be white? I see that Brooks Brothers offers light pinks and blues--would they be acceptable with a midnight navy or black tux?
Thanks for this video Brian. Always a pleasure to have a new HSS video. What weave would you recommend for a more formal self-textured shirt? Royal Oxford?
Is it acceptable to wear a pique bib front shirt with a turn down collar? I prefer that to a pleated front. Or, is that type of shirt usually for a wing collar?
Hello, I bought a white tux for my wedding, could you please suggest the type of shirt that should I buy ? My tux jacket is white with wide peak lapel. Thanks
There are tuxedo shirts out there which are closed by buttons, and have an extra placket over them to hold the studs, which are purely decorative. I prefer these to the shirts with no buttons, and are closed by the studs themselves so that they are functional. More than once with this second style of shirt, one or more studs have fallen out, letting the shirt fall open. Very embarrassing. Whenever possible, get the first style of shirt.
what type of shirt would you recommend wearing white a white tuxedo jacket black peak lapels. i also plan on wearing a waist covering im stuck between the bib or pleated shirt ?
Great content, Brian. You missed out the marcella front shirt which does not have the pleating effect of the plissé front. Second point, in spite of the provision to take studs, my separate shirt studs don't fit very well with the existing shirt buttons still in place on my Turnbull & Asser dress shirt. Is it normal to remove the existing buttons in order to fit shirt studs?
In the US is the only place where wing colar is worn with black tie. Its supposed to be for strictly white tie. Idk how we in the states decided that, but its pretty interesting but makes sense because white tie doesn't really exist here.
@@hespokestyle Thanks a lot for the answer. I have heard Good things about filson. I will try it. Do you know any leather options? Maybe good Vintage Stores That Sell some Classic menswear, also online? Many greetings from Germany
Great video! Since I never ever weared a tuxedo, didn't have a clue of all these shirts. When the party gets heated, and you take off your jacket. Maybe the only one suitable is the last one.
A cravat is not worn with a tuxedo. It has never been a part of the look. Black tie grew out of white tie as a less formal look. White tie has a bow tie and black tie kept that style.
Nice video. But I don't think I'll ever be in need of this haha. Something you will disagree with - I don't like dark blue/navy and black together. To me, it just disturbs the eyes. I think similar for other very dark colors with black, with the exception of grey/charcoal. Cheers!
Nice video Brian, I always love your videos! The only thing I would say here is that the wing collar shirt is for me only aloud for white tie and morning dress. In addition if people will use the wing collar for white tie the cuffs have to be single cuffs and not double cuffs.
The wing collar and white tie shirts are different, as you mention. Here is an actual 100-percent white tie shirt (which also needs to be fastened with a stud at the throat as well): hespokestyle.com/product/white-tie-wing-collar-shirt/
I appreciate and typically agree with almost all of your advice, but have to part on this video. "Black tie" means black tie, especially for your wedding. There is a proper dress code, it's not the high school prom. Wing-tip collars are pretty much always bad look at this level of formality, never wear notched lapels, only peaked or shawl, and ALWAYS wear a waist covering of some type.
@@hespokestyle I get that it's a video about shirt styles. But "tuxedo" is the suit for "black tie" dress code, and suggesting that tuxedo shirts are compatible with certain elements inappropriate for the dress code undermines the message that it's special. Just my thoughts, which I'm sure mean exactly squat to everyone else.
I don't wear them myself and don't recommend most men try it but Wing color shirts can be worn with black tie. If doing so everything must be at the top of the formality range, peek lapel single breasted, waist coat, the shirt should be marcella. Most men, because they don't often wear a tuxedo, are better off with the standard lay down collar.
@@mph7282 hmm, I wonder why many types of tux shirts are made, including pink and blue being made by the likes of Brooks Brothers, that don't conform to your misguided understanding of what a tuxedo can be used for if you're correct. It's a mystery for sure. Or... you're wrong, and there's no mystery at all. You're merely misunderstanding/have misconstrued black tie and tuxedo. There's also a thing called white tie, and morning ware. Enjoy learning about it
You're wrong. It can be worn with a tux. There is a very specific white tie shirt, if you want to get technical (which it seems you do). You can marvel at the differences here (including no French cuffs and the top button closure being fastened with a stud): hespokestyle.com/product/white-tie-wing-collar-shirt/
@@hespokestyle well I might be wrong than. But so will a lot of other people, so they will all think you made a mistake, so would still recommend to skip this type of collar.
@@drobster This guy is sensitive and pretentious, but he is correct. Wing Collar is almost exclusively worn with a tux. Post some supporting details so you have some merit.
I would like to add that a wing collar shirt only goes with a seamless / sized bow tie. If you wear an adjustable bow tie with a wing collar the clasp will be visible. Although I have a tailored bow tie and could go with a wing collar I still prefer turn down collars. There is also a shirt style with textured fabric and a fly front which is what I prefer. I've got two of them. One is tailored and the other one is Turnbull & Assers Casino Royale shirt.
As tradition goes I really think the first shirt is the best. Black tie should be pretty formal.
Detachable collar shirt?
I generally recommend against the wing collar option. First, it makes you look like a waiter. Second, it's damned near impossible to find a fitted black bow tie these days, and you should never wear an adjustable tie with a wing collar. The only sources I've found in the last few years are in the UK.
Can I wear a plissé front, a bow tie, a black pant and a black shoe? Is it appropriate? Please help! Thanking you in anticipation.
0:19 I cannot take advice from you seriously when almost all your suits seem to have the dreaded shoulder divot. It's glaring, I'm not sure how you/an experienced tailor have not corrected this. The drape does not look seamless and the divots are really difficult to ignore.
Hey, thanks for posting! There is not much information about Black Tie attire so I am happy that you covered this!
You got it! Thanks!
I’ve got a pleated evening shirt which I’m going to wear with my blue-velvet dinner jacket to my grandfather’s oxford ball, and switch out an evening scarf for a scarf in the clan tartan. Looks casually elegant, like you’re not trying too hard, which is exactly what I like.
These tuxedo vids come just in time for summer weddings
Hope they help!
Since the pandemic I haven’t had a reason to dress nice anymore. I used to dress super dapper but now I wear jeans and joggers. Plus I’ve gained 10lbs and look like total shit.
Maybe there will be a time for me to get back in shape and start dressing nice again.
My favorite tuxedo shirt has to be the pleated front. It brings me my inner James Bond.🤵🏻
Must the tuxedo shirt always be white? I see that Brooks Brothers offers light pinks and blues--would they be acceptable with a midnight navy or black tux?
Maybe for Dinner Jacket.
Why is the wing collar not appropriate for dinner. Looks funny or too formal? Thanks.
what do you recommend for a double breasted tux?
Somebody didn't watch the whole video...
Thanks for this video Brian. Always a pleasure to have a new HSS video. What weave would you recommend for a more formal self-textured shirt? Royal Oxford?
When do gentlemen wear their bow tie under a pinpoint collared shirt’s collar?
Can I wear tie with tuxedo shirt?
Is it acceptable to wear a pique bib front shirt with a turn down collar? I prefer that to a pleated front. Or, is that type of shirt usually for a wing collar?
Hello,
I bought a white tux for my wedding, could you please suggest the type of shirt that should I buy ? My tux jacket is white with wide peak lapel.
Thanks
There are tuxedo shirts out there which are closed by buttons, and have an extra placket over them to hold the studs, which are purely decorative. I prefer these to the shirts with no buttons, and are closed by the studs themselves so that they are functional. More than once with this second style of shirt, one or more studs have fallen out, letting the shirt fall open. Very embarrassing. Whenever possible, get the first style of shirt.
what type of shirt would you recommend wearing white a white tuxedo jacket black peak lapels. i also plan on wearing a waist covering im stuck between the bib or pleated shirt ?
Great content, Brian. You missed out the marcella front shirt which does not have the pleating effect of the plissé front. Second point, in spite of the provision to take studs, my separate shirt studs don't fit very well with the existing shirt buttons still in place on my Turnbull & Asser dress shirt. Is it normal to remove the existing buttons in order to fit shirt studs?
Did you add that gorgeous Reverso to your watch collection?🙂
Yes, a while ago.
Personally, I prefer detachable collar shirts because they just look and feel so grand.
Fantastic and Very Informative Quality Video Really.
Many thanks.
Plissé is pronounced with a “s” sound, not a “z” sound ;)
Thanks, pronunciation police...
In the US is the only place where wing colar is worn with black tie. Its supposed to be for strictly white tie. Idk how we in the states decided that, but its pretty interesting but makes sense because white tie doesn't really exist here.
Could you recommand me a Good quality duffle/ weekender bag for Max.500-1000€.
Sure can! A Filson medium duffle is an awesome choice: rstyle.me/+Gz1dNl0navU9J4w0ROv_BQ
@@hespokestyle Thanks a lot for the answer. I have heard Good things about filson. I will try it. Do you know any leather options? Maybe good Vintage Stores That Sell some Classic menswear, also online? Many greetings from Germany
Bel video ben fatto !! bravo Brian
thanks!
Great video! Since I never ever weared a tuxedo, didn't have a clue of all these shirts.
When the party gets heated, and you take off your jacket. Maybe the only one suitable is the last one.
Which type of tuxedo shirt is your favorite, Brian?
What about the waffle weave bib front shirt? What is this one best worn with?
Great content man. This helped me pick my shirt for the black tie event I was going to.
Would it be advisable to wear a double-breasted jacket with a wing collar shirt?
I wouldn’t.
This was wonderfully useful! Very concise, good and relevant high quality b-roll. Thanks!
What about a puffy shirt
Thank you for the 2-shirt tip.
Very nice Viedeo as always 👍
Many thanks!
I have a very weird question : is it OK to wear like a wing collar and a cravat with a tuxedo or is that too old timey?
A cravat is not worn with a tuxedo. It has never been a part of the look. Black tie grew out of white tie as a less formal look. White tie has a bow tie and black tie kept that style.
Thank you for all these advices
Nice video. But I don't think I'll ever be in need of this haha. Something you will disagree with - I don't like dark blue/navy and black together. To me, it just disturbs the eyes. I think similar for other very dark colors with black, with the exception of grey/charcoal. Cheers!
To each their own.
Good job
Thank you!!
Thank you Brian.
Sure thing.
Nice video Brian, I always love your videos! The only thing I would say here is that the wing collar shirt is for me only aloud for white tie and morning dress. In addition if people will use the wing collar for white tie the cuffs have to be single cuffs and not double cuffs.
The wing collar and white tie shirts are different, as you mention. Here is an actual 100-percent white tie shirt (which also needs to be fastened with a stud at the throat as well): hespokestyle.com/product/white-tie-wing-collar-shirt/
@@hespokestyle nice, but wouldn’t you say that the wing collar should only be used for white tie at all?
@@eliasingemundsen1304 No, that's not what I said in the video. Only needed to watch a little more than a minute to get to that part...
@@hespokestyle I see
First!
Yehey!😊
Cheers
I appreciate and typically agree with almost all of your advice, but have to part on this video. "Black tie" means black tie, especially for your wedding. There is a proper dress code, it's not the high school prom. Wing-tip collars are pretty much always bad look at this level of formality, never wear notched lapels, only peaked or shawl, and ALWAYS wear a waist covering of some type.
This is not a video about Black Tie. This is a video about different tuxedo shirts for different dress codes.
@@hespokestyle tell him lad
@@hespokestyle I get that it's a video about shirt styles. But "tuxedo" is the suit for "black tie" dress code, and suggesting that tuxedo shirts are compatible with certain elements inappropriate for the dress code undermines the message that it's special. Just my thoughts, which I'm sure mean exactly squat to everyone else.
I don't wear them myself and don't recommend most men try it but Wing color shirts can be worn with black tie. If doing so everything must be at the top of the formality range, peek lapel single breasted, waist coat, the shirt should be marcella. Most men, because they don't often wear a tuxedo, are better off with the standard lay down collar.
@@mph7282 hmm, I wonder why many types of tux shirts are made, including pink and blue being made by the likes of Brooks Brothers, that don't conform to your misguided understanding of what a tuxedo can be used for if you're correct. It's a mystery for sure. Or... you're wrong, and there's no mystery at all. You're merely misunderstanding/have misconstrued black tie and tuxedo. There's also a thing called white tie, and morning ware. Enjoy learning about it
A wing collar should actualy not be worn with a tux. it is a shirt for white Tie.
You're wrong. It can be worn with a tux. There is a very specific white tie shirt, if you want to get technical (which it seems you do). You can marvel at the differences here (including no French cuffs and the top button closure being fastened with a stud): hespokestyle.com/product/white-tie-wing-collar-shirt/
You may also consult this portion of a previous video: ruclips.net/video/XVXHoBrkH_E/видео.html
@@hespokestyle well I might be wrong than. But so will a lot of other people, so they will all think you made a mistake, so would still recommend to skip this type of collar.
@@drobster No they won't. And if they do, I'll tell them what I told you. You may want to start your own RUclips channel!
@@drobster This guy is sensitive and pretentious, but he is correct. Wing Collar is almost exclusively worn with a tux. Post some supporting details so you have some merit.