Should Phil Ivey CALL Tom Dwan's Bluff with BOTTOM PAIR?

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @PhilGalfond
    @PhilGalfond  Год назад +13

    Thanks for watching! Enjoy this free copy of my 44-Page Poker Mindset Playbook: philgalfond.com/mindset

  • @Marco-sn2wd
    @Marco-sn2wd Год назад +207

    Every time I watch this clip I hope Ivey finally calls

    • @marianbreahna2296
      @marianbreahna2296 Год назад +9

      Keep watching, he might eventually 😂

    • @Shipdacheese
      @Shipdacheese Год назад +5

      Can't call, makes no sense. It's shove or fold.

    • @rolandtomassi3486
      @rolandtomassi3486 Год назад +6

      😂😂me too, it’s insane he’s even thinking about it

    • @mattherzberg991
      @mattherzberg991 Год назад

      I think he grimaced and considered that he could lose to some pair turned bluffs occasionally and that edged him to fold

    • @Omgphilgalfond
      @Omgphilgalfond Год назад +1

      Haha - I feel the same 😊

  • @Noah-jw8ft
    @Noah-jw8ft Год назад +24

    The fact that Ivey was considering calling is insane. That's brilliant hand reading.

  • @rajahferrier7475
    @rajahferrier7475 Год назад +39

    That's one of the greatest hands in poker history. I show this to people who are new to the game who want to understand what poker is about. Fantastic commentary by Gabe, not a poker hand, but an actual battle. Phil and Tom are total Gs

    • @ejflor1313
      @ejflor1313 3 месяца назад

      Three legends all performing at their peaks

  • @RonnieJamesOsbourne
    @RonnieJamesOsbourne Год назад +18

    Gabe's;
    "Dwan looks worse,"
    and Laak's;
    "Durrr, you're a very interesting human, I'm glad to be in your orbit," never gets old.
    God, I miss these HSP and PAD's.
    The golden era of NLHM imho.

  • @Alex-Bunin
    @Alex-Bunin Год назад +22

    Ivey spoke about this hand on Joey's podcast iirc and said that he was planning to bluffjam the river and then the 6 hit and he landed there with a catcher he wasn't sure what's the best line and after thinking about it for some time he realized a bluffjam is not going to look credible after all that time thinking so he eventually folded. I saw this interview a few years ago but that's how I remember his reply anyway. Really interesting spot.

    • @robtanniru6561
      @robtanniru6561 Год назад +7

      kinda crazy that this means that Dwan hit a 3 outer to win the pot

    • @melstone8590
      @melstone8590 Год назад +1

      He's probably not being completely truthful. What does hitting a pair of 6s on the river do ? what does he 'pull ahead of' on the river? Dwan isn't paying 55-22 this way, and he isn't playing a worse Axs this way either. the river 6 doesn't change anything to me, aside from it being a blank. I do understand the idea of bluff shoving the river but realizing that it won't look credible after a huge tank, and Dwan gets a potentially good price to call with weak 1 pair hands, all of which would beat him.

    • @ifeelhalfnaked484
      @ifeelhalfnaked484 Год назад

      @@melstone8590 funny think is A6 could bluff into pocket jacks

    • @Johnny-cz2wv
      @Johnny-cz2wv Год назад

      ​@@melstone8590he's ofc not being truthful, just posturing. Remember this was a high profile televised game and he was still really active online

    • @jakebaldwin7172
      @jakebaldwin7172 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@melstone8590I'm surprised AT isnt talked about more as a hand that Dwan would've been capable of turning into a 3street bluff and really makes A6 a huge mistake calling in that case. Blocks AA AK AJ TT. It seems like Ivey eventually came to the conclusion that his instincts were right but Dwan could bluff with better.

  • @JayakrishnanNairOmana
    @JayakrishnanNairOmana Год назад +69

    I really think Phil thought Dwan was bluffing with a better hand, i.e. turning a weak hand into a bluff, but his own hand, a pair of sixes, is so weak it cannot even beat a bluff. So he was entertaining the idea of raising for a while and eventually decided against it.
    If Dwan had a hand like Q9dd or simply any JT, he would likely play it this way trying to get Phil off a hand like AQ or KJ, but the issue is his pair of sixes dont even beat that.

    • @terrycdm
      @terrycdm Год назад +13

      Phil Ivey was pondering a call on the river and he was never gonna raise. If he was considering raising he wouldn’t show so much body movement and wouldn’t talk.

    • @JaxonHaxon
      @JaxonHaxon Год назад +4

      @@terrycdm This is edited so you have to take it with a grain of salt, Ivey's first question was 'how much is it and how much do you have left?' I think he was planning to raise any river, hit or miss, but once he wrote that off could have taken a few minutes but once that happened, his whole posture would change up for sure.

    • @cial67
      @cial67 Год назад

      If Phil thought Dwan was bluffing with a hand like Q9 then Phil would have shoved

    • @evilvyse
      @evilvyse Год назад

      he already talked about this hand on Joe ingram podcast if you wanna see it. just search "Phil ivey conversation."

  • @losyart
    @losyart Год назад +4

    Legendary hand. Its like classic movie . U coming back to see it once again

  • @alexandruion7660
    @alexandruion7660 Год назад +8

    Phil is the best live reader ever..His instincts are spot on almost every time , but In this hand I think he just has to lay it down even if his alarm bells went off. One of my fav hands ever and great analysis by you Phil .

  • @anmolmehta8695
    @anmolmehta8695 Год назад +6

    Hey Phil loved the video , and the analysis between how a player goes through both the processes of intuition and logic - and at times one outweighs the other ! Cheers much love ❤

    • @stevedonnelly8989
      @stevedonnelly8989 Год назад +1

      When I first read your comment, I thought you were saying Phil Ivey loved this video....

  • @dan22482
    @dan22482 Год назад +3

    "Both Phil and Antonio are goading Dwan into raising here hoping that he doesn't"
    😂😂😂
    Gabe GOAT commentator

  • @Timrud1
    @Timrud1 Год назад +4

    With the table talk post hand Ivey realised immediately he should’ve called

  • @Mookka4
    @Mookka4 Год назад +6

    The ending is funny, Ivey knew he should call after Tom blamed the lights. And Laaks comment

    • @ifeelhalfnaked484
      @ifeelhalfnaked484 Год назад +2

      I like Antonio seat sitting tensely beside someone who's bluffing, you can exactly feel the energy that's beauty of live poker

  • @mehaha1
    @mehaha1 Год назад +2

    As a lifetime losing recreational player Phil said something very telling. “Just intuition that he cannot explain.” That is something I do not have so it’s penny tables for me. Still love the game though.

  • @seimoldz
    @seimoldz Год назад +1

    Ive thinked about this hand before. Then main problem is Tom can be still bluffing there with the best hand, turning JT JQ combos into bluff on river. One of few guys to have that in his preflop 3bet range. He was kinda caught with his hand in the cookie jar but there is nothing Ivey can do about it. The bet size was perfect, it kinda eliminated the possibility for Ivey to raise. Having AD6D yourself also doesnt help, since you block nut flush draw. Tough spot, both played great poker, but in the end someone has to win.

  • @pomkuit7395
    @pomkuit7395 10 месяцев назад

    Very nice presentation of this hand, of course I knew it already but you add a lot to the original footage.

  • @v6i838
    @v6i838 Год назад +10

    This is my all time favourite poker hand. Would’ve been the sickest call ever if Ivey had made it

    • @gabyvandinterenpmp956
      @gabyvandinterenpmp956 8 месяцев назад

      It isn't even my fav Phil Ivey hand (Paul Jackson vs Phil Ivey)

  • @eliuw7070
    @eliuw7070 8 месяцев назад

    Great video as usual @PhilGalfond ! I was wondering if you could comment; obviously Tom has come under some fire recently; but he really is one of the greatest poker players to ever play the game. I was wondering if you could help me understand what makes him so great? Obviously you both are huge ambassadors for more mathematically sound strategies (like GTO or exploitive play); but you both also incorporate tells and psychology into your play. So I guess I'm wondering what has made Tom such a successful player; and what do you think we can learn from his aggressive style of play? Could you do a future video on how you balance your tells on a player while also understanding your range equity? Are there times when you play exclusively off one of these skills (for example, if you know the players very well and you know no one is playing anything close to GTO)? Or are you always leveraging both skills when you play? Thanks for all you do Mr Sweets

  • @Monki02
    @Monki02 Год назад +1

    Hey Phil, love the content! Really wonderful for you to share your thoughts.

  • @mehaha1
    @mehaha1 Год назад +2

    I love when Gabe says “He’s gulping now” 😂😂😂😂

  • @terraaquafirma6631
    @terraaquafirma6631 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the great content Phil! I'm pretty curious about Ivey's reflection on this hand

  • @ianmarderness7713
    @ianmarderness7713 Год назад +1

    If Ivey had pair of tens there somehow, he probably finds a call on river. Biggest problem for Ivey is that a good portion of the bluffs beat him still. 77, 88, 99, 9T, etc.

  • @bryngreen1561
    @bryngreen1561 Год назад +2

    This would have been an outrageous hero call if he did. Fold is correct logically. Antonius could have made the call. Dwan and Isildur were so far ahead of their time for what's become fundamental now, it'll change in 5 years though, small ball poker and hyper aggression are coming back into fashion kids!

  • @PhuPhillipTrinh
    @PhuPhillipTrinh Год назад

    is there an interview of phil ivey talking about this hand?

  • @evilvyse
    @evilvyse Год назад +1

    Hi phil, can you do your hand vs bill klein on high stakes poker season 7, when he bluffed you on the river 150k with a missed flush draw? And you had a straight. Thanks again.

    • @PhilGalfond
      @PhilGalfond  Год назад +1

      I'm actually planning on doing this one soon! 😊

    • @evilvyse
      @evilvyse Год назад

      @@PhilGalfond awesome bud, love your videos

  • @TomVerhaegen
    @TomVerhaegen 5 месяцев назад

    Dwan: I must have just been at a weird light angle.
    Ivey: No! (he knows there he should have called)
    Brilliant.

  • @tipsy09
    @tipsy09 Год назад +1

    I think Dwan picked the perfect board runout to bluff on with his hand. I doubt he continues with scary turn and river cards. Otherwise he’s just a maniac at that point.

  • @Verycoolguy1337
    @Verycoolguy1337 Год назад

    Top quality as always Phil ! Thank you good sir!😊

  • @GetMeThere1
    @GetMeThere1 Год назад

    I remember this well, lol. I liked your analysis. Thanks.

  • @MaximusMerideus
    @MaximusMerideus Год назад

    How can you not love this content? Mr. Galfond, do your country a favor and run for office, any office.

  • @jdh219
    @jdh219 Год назад +1

    never even considering a call here ever, would have to imagine its a severely -EV play given the action in the hand and the fact that ivey blocks many of tom’s bluffs with the Ad.
    unfathomable that he almost sniffed this out, but i guess he is phil ivey🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @StewartJames-q6c
      @StewartJames-q6c Год назад +1

      I think he was nearly 100% sure Dwan was weak. Just too many weak hands that have him beat anyway for the call, and Dwan has too little left behind to fold out anything he isn't already beating with the raise.

  • @divayazdian8465
    @divayazdian8465 Год назад

    Phil your physical progress is amazing! Im sorry i know it has nothing to do with the hand but you've come a long way and i felt like that deserved some praise. ❤

  • @MrAshaw83
    @MrAshaw83 10 месяцев назад

    It was such a good hand. Even though Phil Ivey has made so many sick plays, the tank from him was legit in this case and shows that his gut instint was awesome.

  • @rudolfpaluch9333
    @rudolfpaluch9333 Год назад +1

    Phil? Where to start learn poker? I all ready play and got stuck in one place 🙄

    • @Pokerfarhang
      @Pokerfarhang Год назад +1

      runitonce training has a course called "the ground up" it would be a great start

  • @Trett1
    @Trett1 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing this, Phil, I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts.
    Out of curiosity, do you think we have a bias because Tom and Phil are two of GOATS?
    For example in a live 200NL game, with the same big blinds. And, two random players played these hands, I think we (you, me and the general public) would be more inclined to discredit both plays as fishy.
    Obviously Tom and Phil are familiar with each other, so I’m sure both Tom three barrelling and Phil considering such a light call is because of their images. But still interested to know if you’d give randoms the same credit you give these two, hopefully you read this and respond.
    Thanks again for the great content! 👌

    • @GeppettoFedora
      @GeppettoFedora Год назад

      It's hard to be sure, but I think they are playing 500/1000 with a 100 ante and a 3.9x open ... Dwan and Ivey are a bit over 700bb deep (over 1.4k at 200NL). Even if two people ever get 700bb deep in a normal live 200NL game the opens will be at least 5x (without an ante), and the 3bet will likely be bigger and/or it's much more likely that the flop goes 3 or 4+ ways.

  • @yumsundae
    @yumsundae Год назад +1

    The only person who is calling there is stu ungar

  • @Pokerfarhang
    @Pokerfarhang Год назад +2

    Phil thought Dwan might have bluffed with the best hand, a rebluff shove would be legendary

    • @andrewb4943
      @andrewb4943 Год назад +1

      Agreed .. putting the rest in to fold out all the Js and lower was the play. But he gave that play up when he basically announced his hand.

  • @tkshots
    @tkshots 11 месяцев назад

    ivey thought he was bluffing from the start but didn't think he had enough to beat that bluff...as the hand went on,dwans' body language made it more obvious it was a bluff

  • @KingKoin88
    @KingKoin88 Год назад

    “The man with 9 high bets 123,2” the craziest n funniest line in poker commentary history 😂

  • @hasanx8066
    @hasanx8066 10 месяцев назад

    I've only heard "How much is that and how much you got left" in this video

  • @RangeWilson
    @RangeWilson Год назад +5

    I remember breaking this hand down on 2+2 after the episode. Dwan had five distinct categories of hands that would triple-barrel. Ivey sat there for 20 minutes, figured out each category, figured out the number of hands in each, did all the math in his head, and reluctantly folded. Insanely impressive.

    • @ejflor1313
      @ejflor1313 3 месяца назад

      Can you post a link to the analysis?

  • @liamnevilleviolist1809
    @liamnevilleviolist1809 Год назад

    Once you see the bit of white fluff in Ivey's wonderfully neat hair ... you can't un-see it... (3:03)

  • @mantasvalciukas5734
    @mantasvalciukas5734 Год назад

    I sometimes think how this hand would look if Dwan had like AJ or kings

  • @gasgas5339
    @gasgas5339 Год назад

    LOVED THIS ONE. thank you!

  • @nickholmquist
    @nickholmquist Год назад

    Don’t mention the fact this 3 bet was a squeeze? Cause that realllly widens dwans range a lot

  • @Faktantarkastaja
    @Faktantarkastaja 8 месяцев назад

    Impossible to call. Easy to watch, when see cards. That kind of "hero calls" put you tilt very quiqly. Table look very dangerous, as Tom had raised since beginning

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes Год назад +1

    I've used Dwan's play on this hand many times in the poker room. Works like a charm. And thankfully, Galfond did not reveal what I saw watching this play from Dwan. I was worried when I clicked on this video but my analysis remains a secret!! And I think Ivey would have called or shoved were it not for the laughter caused by Eli Elezra sleeping at the table which thru Ivey off the scent.

  • @camaleonsacor1618
    @camaleonsacor1618 Год назад

    This hand really shows how much of a MONSTER they were both at the time. No mather how many fools have been saying troughts the years that tom dwan wasnt that good.
    Ofc tom got worst because he basicly rely on playing games with whales recs on asia then for 10 years. Ivey still scares the shit all out me haha. For me he is the GOAT.

  • @jackolini
    @jackolini Год назад +1

    Two things I always thought about this hand: 1. Ivey thinks Tom is bluffing (a live tell) but his hand might still be better than Ivey's. Tom literally has to have the hand he has for Ivey to win at showdown. 2. I always thought when he asked Dwan how much was the bet and how much he has left on the river if he could shove and get Tom to fold a better hand. I guess Ivey realized Tom would be getting way too good of a price to fold weakish hands like top pair or even a second pair type of hand. Plus, Ivey can't really rep that strong of a hand on the river after only calling twice on the flop and turn.

    • @fanfan7848
      @fanfan7848 Год назад

      Ivey is never raising flop or turn

    • @jackolini
      @jackolini Год назад

      @@fanfan7848 I know, my point is since he didn't raise the flop or turn, he can't rep two pair plus on the river. if he raises on the river, it makes no sense.

    • @fanfan7848
      @fanfan7848 Год назад

      @@jackolini you don't get it. Ivey is only calling all his range flop ans turn. He's never raising. Your analysis is wrong.

    • @jackolini
      @jackolini Год назад

      @@fanfan7848 I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. By the time he got to the river, he was deciding whether he could raise and get Dwan to fold some hands, some which were better than his hand. He read Dwan as being weak. His raise would make no sense because he didn't raise the flop or turn. Hence why his options were to fold or call on the river.

    • @fanfan7848
      @fanfan7848 Год назад

      @@jackolini I understand what you're saying but your wrong because you don't understand basic strategy

  • @RahymShamim
    @RahymShamim Месяц назад

    Dur pissed his pants there😂

  • @jarppe123
    @jarppe123 Год назад

    So is Ad really that bad for Ivey? I would think Ad is hand you dont want to bluff with in general in Dwans shoes as that is hand type you expect to fold a lot versus river bet. Well sure it blocks nuts but still makes two pair and sets more likely.

    • @mirade1
      @mirade1 Год назад +1

      In a spot where ranges are narrow the Ad is bad because it blocks alot of tom dwans natural bluffs. (Correct me if im wrong)

    • @patrickjordan2233
      @patrickjordan2233 Год назад

      Ivey Having Ad is good through flop and turn bets (for his own nut flush draw...).. but having Ad (specifically) is bad at the River (because he Knows TD DOESN'T have the nut flush draw that's incentivised to bluff the River with missed flush draws).
      This isn't unusual...holding assets in "hand reading your opponent" almost always become a converse liability @ the River...
      "Because we know he doesn't have THAT"...?
      I hope that helps👍😁👍

    • @jarppe123
      @jarppe123 Год назад

      ​@@mirade1 Ad is good card for Dwan at flop and turn but its actually quite bad for third barrel bluff as Dwan wants Ivey to have nfd which is very likely folding. For river third barrel any other A is lot better at that point. Of course if river completed flush then Ad would become premium bluff card for blocking nut flush.

  • @krishall3187
    @krishall3187 Год назад

    Well said Phil

  • @senecastevens3399
    @senecastevens3399 Год назад

    isn't it actaully good to have Ace of diamonds on the river since Tom Dwan wouldn't be bluffing with that card? Or at least neutral

    • @markwinchester5434
      @markwinchester5434 Год назад +1

      no... you want dwan to have the Ad so he can be bluffing with a diamond draw combo . if we're holding AdXd it removes a ton of his bluffing combos from his range and weights him towards value

    • @senecastevens3399
      @senecastevens3399 Год назад

      @markwinchester5434 you really aren't supposed to bluff with missed flush draws because they block your opponents folding range. If I am bluffing I want my opponent to have a missed flush because they are always going to fold. So bluffing with a missed flush draw is bad. So if Dwan wouldn't bluff with a missed flush draw, then having the Ad is okay

    • @tipsy09
      @tipsy09 Год назад

      @@senecastevens3399yeah this is what I’m thinking also. You’re blocking weak hands that would have called big bets down if you have the NFD. Because then you’re probably trying to get a strong top pair to fold. I think Ivey is most likely to call with some sort of pair on the flop. Not the river pair 6. Because then at least he is blocking some sets.
      But at least have an A is blocking some flopped but straights. But is dwan doing this with all AJo? Or just suited. Cause then Ivey is just blocking one combo.
      Dwan is just very polarized here.

  • @upyanuts
    @upyanuts Год назад

    I must have been at a weird wedding lol

  • @luckymaggie6594
    @luckymaggie6594 Год назад +1

    Nowadays people just call Tom instantly without thinking

    • @robtanniru6561
      @robtanniru6561 Год назад +2

      Nowadays he doesn't make bluffs like this

  • @patrickhughes2210
    @patrickhughes2210 Год назад

    Bad dissection of hand without considering all in on river by ivey

  • @felixrojas2575
    @felixrojas2575 Год назад

    I'm craving new videos like a crackhead

  • @joeshab123
    @joeshab123 11 месяцев назад

    If I ever got a chance to talk to D Negs the first thing I'm asking about is his comment at 8:35 "I think I know what it is" I'm so curious what he thought Ivey had. Who knows if he's remember or tell me the truth, but I'm dying to know.

    • @ejflor1313
      @ejflor1313 3 месяца назад +1

      I’m sure Negs was way off as he always is on these shows

    • @Nosirt
      @Nosirt Месяц назад

      I think he thinks Ivey had something like JTdd. Or maybe 99. Ivey was saying “he had a bad hand” and since he just limped pre, he can’t have hands like AT+. It’s obiously hard to put him exactly on A6dd. But I think dneg thought Ivey was hero calling with JT or possiblY 99.

    • @joeshab123
      @joeshab123 Месяц назад

      @@Nosirt Well he can't have JTdd because the 10d is on the board, but I like what you're thinking. JT suited makes sense for Daniel to think he has.

  • @jimrhee5229
    @jimrhee5229 Год назад

    Should he have raised the flop? Phil leak would be all in

  • @brandondorsey7204
    @brandondorsey7204 Год назад

    Hand was lost when he asked Dwan how much he started with.

  • @philipmehl9355
    @philipmehl9355 Год назад

    A weird light angle?! Yeah ok😂

  • @Dead-bl7to
    @Dead-bl7to Год назад

    Comments YES, ends video and leaves.

  • @patrickhughes2210
    @patrickhughes2210 Год назад

    Easy all in for ivey.

  • @briansymmes7917
    @briansymmes7917 Год назад

    Isn’t a 3 the bottom pair?

  • @cookingsection568
    @cookingsection568 Год назад

    if he was deeper he wouldve confidently shoved...he had no choice but to fold

  • @tomkurutz8866
    @tomkurutz8866 Год назад

    Best hand ever

  • @sdickinson5234
    @sdickinson5234 Год назад

    Yeah if Phil Ivey asks you how many chips you have just shut up and look at the TV.

  • @JaredPizza
    @JaredPizza Год назад

    I heard he actually tanked for 15 minutes!

  • @ColliePoker-re4sx
    @ColliePoker-re4sx 8 месяцев назад

    Phil or whoever designs this content is acting too self-conscious about discussing advanced strategy. Either do it or don't. There's no need to build in apology jokes.

  • @zachfern3190
    @zachfern3190 Год назад

    Daniel the fish to Ivey: "I think I know what you have" Ivey smirks at Daniel. "No you don't" Negreaneu a fish then and a fish now.

  • @ournewlifeonmadeira
    @ournewlifeonmadeira Год назад

    you lost some pounds since then... ^^

  • @Johnny-cz2wv
    @Johnny-cz2wv Год назад

    Well thanks for reminding me how extremely obnoxious and fake Phil Laak used to be. What a terrible character

  • @sundayafternoonathome5163
    @sundayafternoonathome5163 Год назад

    That shake of the head from Phil , he knew then he’d been bluffed.