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The reason it is more Star Trek driven than X-Men is that Michael Jan Friedman knows Trek like the back of his hand. (IE: He wrote of the the DC TNG era comics.) and quite a number of Trek novels. While he read some X-Men comics, he wasn't as big a fan. Not only that, he wasn't Pocket Books, Paramount, or Marvel's first pick for the book. Pocket Books said: 'You know who really loves and understands Star Trek? Peter David. Marvel said: 'You know who loves and gets the X-books? Peter David. Paramount said: 'Now that Richard Arnold has been booted from our licensing books department, do you know whose Trek books we realize are great? Peter David.' Peter David responded to this by saying: 'I'm doing four monthly comics right now, plus a Star Trek New Frontier novel every three to four months. Even if I thought this crossover was a good idea- which I don't- I wouldn't have the time to write it.'
I read this book many years ago, almost all I remember is that Wolverine asked Guinan for "whatever Worf drinks" and she gave him a glass of prune juice.
I love how this ends with Q just going "I was totally responsible for this." Like he needed to make sure that people know that he's also here. Classic Q!
Linkara noted that when this book came out there were already rumors swirling around about Patrick Stewart playing Xavier and was seen as the ultimate fan casting.
I remember him in an interview to promote X2 (I think he was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart) and he was talking about the earlier comic. He specifically asked them to not have both Xavier and Picard on the cover just in case they eventually made a movie. He said that if they looked different on the cover that it would be harder for him to convince them to get him for Xavier.
@@Webshooters1 Alex Ross even drew Charles to look like Stewart in his book Marvels which came out 6 years before the movie: comiccoverage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/26/prof_x_stewart.jpg
So even in this book, we don't get Picard meeting Professor X in person because of the events happening with Onslaught... Because that event was so important to keep in continuity.
This episode in particular has a lot of rewatch value. Since the visuals don't come from the book, you can listen to this in background and not lose a thing except the clips and stuff and even their jokes are audio. Like a podcast with optional visual component!
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I read this novel as a kid after buying it at the bookstore and I bought purely because of X-Men and TNG but I enjoyed the book because what goes on is a microcosm of what the X-Men deal with on the daily.
With you showing text excerpts from the book itself, seems more like "KrimsonRogue" than "Dominic Noble." 7:30 "What's the terminology here when I'm describing text with no pictures?" "Visualize" is a good word for that.
You did just open the door to that trilogy of Spider-Man novels that was written in the 90s, the Sinister Six Trilogy. They're books, and they've got Marvel characters. So there. Now I just need a Patreon request slot. As for this, I've come across it in libraries, but never read it.
I might have to rewatch the episode about the prequel comic, but wasn't Kang the Conqueror originally involved in this? What ever happened to that plotline?
"I wanted to show you the captain's log, so to speak" And now I'm reminded of John St. John immitating Picard and also doing a line in Duke Nukem's voice "Ah, the captain's log"
As I usually LISTEN to AT4W anyway, this was a great video that opens up new options for Lewis to cover for when we finally run out of bad comics...and if you thought that was a real possibility don't worry. The big two have us covered.
Yes cause when i think of X-Men and more specifically and often than not Star Trek my first thought is of course Tremors! Actually now that i type this it makes a lot more sense.
YAY! You're reviewing this book, I read it as a kid because it had X-Men and Star Trek TNG. I didn't know it was a sequel though. I actually rather enjoyed it. Also Marvel had some other novels like the "Time's Arrow" trilogy, "Spider-Man: Dead Or Alive", "Spider-Man vs The Incredible Hulk" (though that was more of a choose your own adventure), and "X-Men: Codename Wolverine".
"Bring the X-Men to Picard S3, cowards." It would be kind of hilarious if they did that and never gave an explanation, just leaving the super fans to puzzle that one out.
Another point about getting warp drive right (now that I'm finally getting around to watching this): We currently don't know of any other "smaller dimensions/universes", let alone how to "duck into" one to travel... but we DO know that it IS possible to bend spacetime, and that doing so affects the path of an object travelling through space. This means that warp drive is more grounded in current scientific knowledge than hyperdrive (or similar), to the point where there actually HAS BEEN a physics-based outline of a possible means of achieving warp drive, known as the Alcubierre drive. It's derived from Einstein's field equations and other physics and astrophysics concepts. Admittedly, the list for how to make one includes things like "figure out how to have/simulate negative mass and negative energy density" (neither of which is really a thing in physics as of yet) and "figure out how to reconcile relativity and quantum field theory" (which is one of the main objectives of modern physics and has been for a while now), but still....
That one "Transformed" who kept escalating the tension seemed like he was shaping up to be this story's counterpart to Magneto. A fact that got me wondering how different Storm's confrontation with him might go had this crossover happened after "House of M", a story where Magneto's own daughter disparaged their entire species because of how vindictive and power-mad he really was.
I've always been curious how you would have done a review for a novel if anyone ever patreoned one, even if it was likely you may not have taken it up. I have to say the results went pretty well in adapting the medium to your review style.
13:17 Somewhere in the multiverse, a teenage mutant ninja turtle wearing a red headband with eye holes and a guy in a hockey mask are getting an extreme case of FOMO and don't know why.
I got through this in the playlist somewhat recently so this is a pleasant surprise, especially since the schedule had nothing on it last time I checked.
I was wondering if you'd ever review this, and I'm really glad you did! I read this when I was in...middle school, I want to say? and it was my first introduction to several of the X-Men characters (basically, all the ones who weren't in the 90s cartoon), which I think influenced me to delve deeper into the franchise, and eventually, Marvel in general. Haven't read it in over a decade - pretty sure my library doesn't have it anymore - so this was super nostalgic for me. I think your format for reviewing a novel worked pretty well, too; I'd definitely love to see what you think of some of the other Marvel novels from around that time if you ever get patreon requests for them in the future (the Time's Arrow trilogy - a Spider-Man/X-Men crossover - was a particular favorite of mine).
My favorite "coincidence" in Star Trek is how temporal anomalies and the like only seem to hit highly trained and competent Starfleet personnel. They happen so often, you can only assume Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones have accidently rebooted the universe a few time.s
About the whole Prime Directive thing... Now keep in mind, I'm not really an expert on Star Trek, since I've actually seen very little of it, but if I remember correctly, The Prime Directive means they're not supposed to interfere in the affairs of pre-warp civilizations. If Erid Savard has a brother that is a member of Starfleet, that means that they are not only a post-warp planet, but one that is part of the federation. So the Prime Directive wouldn't apply to this situation at all.
Prime Directive also applies to not interfering with an internal matters of other civilizations, hence why they couldn't directly assist in the Klingon Civil War beyond the blockade along the Romulan border.
@@pokemaster123ism Going from episodes, including the TOS episode "The Cloud Minders", it appears they are allowed if the local government requests the aid and aren't if they don't.
Lately, I’ve taken to saying “not how that works, but OK” to inconsistencies like the teleportation problem. I can accept that they’re wrong, and then move on. I feel like that’s an easier response than having to justify nerd nitpickery.
Nice review Link I read this book in the fall of 99 after finding it at a local library and being floored that there was a Star Trek/X-men crossover (this was before I had the internet). I know it has a negative reputation but I quite enjoyed it myself. Though I must admit I think that it has been mentioned that there is a component of ducking into subspace when warp is utilized though my knowledge of starship physics is limited.
I actually remember seeing a copy of this novel at my local library in the late 90s. I never read it, because I was a pre-teen, and that type of novel reading was to advanced for me at the time. Nowadays, I'm into reading Star WARS novels. 7:20- Or "Worf in the Multiverse of Madness." 8:17- God, I need to start watching Discovery and all the other Paramount+ Star Trek series, regardless of Angry Joe bashing them over the head with a wiffle ball bat. 21:14- Yeah, I remember how excited I was when I opened the pages of Fox Kids magazine to find out that not only is a live action X-Men movie coming out, but Patrick Stewart is playing Professor X.
You don't need to watch Discovery or any Paramount+ Star Trek series. They're not good and you're better off sticking to old Trek like TOS, TNG, or VOY.
Even when it's a different medium comics are still weird. Also, will we ever see 90's Dude follow up on the Freak Force series? I'm always up for more 90's Dude. A review of just about any comic containing Cosmic Ghost Rider would be fun given just how delightfully absurd he is on a conceptual level.
Considered it, decided against it since that's reserved for misspelling actual words to try to be kewl/get a trademark. In this case, it's just an alien species.
I remember stumbling over this book I’m a book store and being utterly conflicted over whether the idea was awesome, stupid, or just shamelessly gimmicky. Time to find out!
I wouldn't have ever thought Star Trek would have a crossover with X-Men. I'd assume thay'd finally have a crossover with Star Wars before anything else.
Those aren't even the worst shots I could make at Discovery - even if I was a fan of it, they would be pretty innocuous snark about it like any series.
Bit of a correction about warp drive. It's not that it compresses distance, it's that it bends space around the ship compressing it in front and expanding it behind with a 'bubble' of unbent spacetime in the middle. The best example in real life is the math behind the theoretical Alcubierre Drive. The super short and layman friendly version (which is also the one I need since I'm a mechanical engineer and not a theoretical physicist) is that it takes advantage of a loop-hole in reality that says that matter/energy cannot move faster than light but space itself can expand and contract faster than light. Reality is stranger than fiction. Also the modern Trek effect is just doing another take on the classic streaking stars, though turned up to 11 since, best I can tell, the effect is a combination of the warp field bending light (some exterior shots remind me more of the 'bullet' effect from Beyond which brought back a much more classic looking warp effect) and space dust hitting the navigational deflectors and releasing energy. Completely on the mark about the Into Darkness portrayal though since that was acting more like a transwarp conduit than warp drive. Also about Burnham, the complaint about her is basically the same complaint people had about the TNG movies when they came out. Namely that they became "The Picard and Data show". Though it has gotten better about that over time even if for some reason they still make the Captain's Log overly poetic sounding. On the Prime Directive, Pen Pals and The High Ground establish that local governments can ask for help in internal affairs, usually in the form of arbitration or humanitarian aid. In general, the Prime Directive means no butting in uninvited to internal affairs and no messing with societies that have yet to develop warp tech. The main point with the latter is to avoid everything from cargo cults forming to avoiding the mistakes of Colonialism (and related ills) and going about "civilizing" the galaxy. Basically waiting until the planetary society can meet on an equal-footing and when future contact is inevitable. Now Homeward is a bit of a sticky point, but the conflict in that has to do with A) Worf's adoptive brother not actually proposing an alternative beyond the equivalent of keeping them in a fishbowl and B) the genetic diversity is positively screwed and we later see in the episode that revealing the truth would likely result in mass suicide. There were no good options there which I think was part of the point. It does make for a great source of debate with the right people though. The little bit of bitterness I detected did detract a little bit (personal thing, as I've grown more seasoned I can't help but reflect that it's kind of... pointless to hold on to anger over most things. Better to find enjoyment where you can and make the most of your time), but overall this was still a fun episode. Legitimately laughed hard enough that my headphones went flying off my head at one point.
"Also about Burnham, the complaint about her is basically the same complaint people had about the TNG movies when they came out. Namely that they became "The Picard and Data show". Though it has gotten better about that over time even if for some reason they still make the Captain's Log overly poetic sounding." Here's the thing - you're completely right about that, same problem happened with Voyager and how so much of the show became about Seven of Nine (great character, but ended up way overexposed as she became the writers' favorite)... but that's not what I mean. Her being the main character is kind of weird for what is SUPPOSED to be an ensemble show and it does hurt things, especially when she gets a looooot of exposure over other characters who barely get anything. But I mean that TONS AND TONS of major plot points of the first three seasons revolve around her in particular. Her mutiny, her getting Georgiou killed, Lorca specifically getting her, her being a major figure in the Mirror Universe (not uncommon, admittedly, with Mirror Universe stuff, but she in particular is SUCH an important figure because of her relationship to the Empress and Lorca and the events that transpired there), the Red Angel is HER mother and was specifically attempting to help her, she's Spock's previously-unmentioned adopted sister, arguably her presence contributed a lot of Spock's history and development, she had to be the one who went to the future and everyone decided to abandon their lives and futures for her (partially explored in season 3 but not nearly enough), once in the future she kept being put into positions she should not have but ended up helping resolve the situation (the seed ship, on Trill), she's the one who uncovered the music and was investigating the Burn, she's the one who helps keep more problems from arising between the Romulans and Vulcans, was not only given a pass for her insubordinate acts but a full-on promotion to Captain of Discovery, and she's the one who took down Osyrra. I don't hate Michael at all. I think despite the retcons relating to Spock, she's a perfectly fine character... but the universe seems to bend around her to make her the most important person at the center of everything and it got REALLY annoying when I watched Discovery. I can't speak to season 4 if that continued because I quit after season 3.
@@AT4W I can certainly understand why you feel that way. One of the complaints I had about Discovery was that, for some reason, the writers decided to go with a single main character (1) to follow with a lot of supporting characters rather than the classic ensemble cast. So everything had to tie back to Burnham in someway rather than spreading out the connections among the whole cast as needed. Though I wouldn't say the universe bends around her myself, it's more our perspective as the audience given that her character arc was given the kind of priority normally reserved for the B-Plot in a regular episode for a good chunk of the season. It's not the creative choice I'd have made, but I have met people that *really* enjoy it and for them Disco became a jumping off point to watch other parts of the franchise so I'm willing to overlook what I personally view as a flaw if it gets more people interested in the backlog on top of the new materials. As for Season 4, I'd say the story is pretty good given that it touches on some things I suspect Star Trek would have touched on sooner if it was possible with the budget of previous shows and the writers pulled back more so it's much more of an ensemble. I'd say it's worth your time when you feel up to it; likely after a bit of a break to recharge so you can tackle things fresh. On the positive side, it also means you won't have to wait months for the whole story to come out since, while the first half does feel more standalone, it is still rather serialized and made for binging. Kind of like how some comics are written for the trade. (1) Which is something they said in interviews years ago, though not directly since the person that was being interviewed at the time seemed to think that the Captain of previous series was the 'main character'. Something I accepted as that the writers basically had to relearn a lot of how to write a Trek show since there hadn't been a TV series in over a decade at that point and the new writers all likely wanted to leave their mark in some way.
Missed opportunity: when observing that there was no pictures in the novel, you could have cut to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. “How can you read this? There’s no pictures in it!”
I had this novel.... actually wait.... no I still have this. Picked it up just becuase, well, the concept of the crossover, was really surprised to find it a sequel to something else.
Was that an intentional tease? Discussing the Stargate and then promising us an SG-1 miniseries? Either way, I can't wait! Oh, and the novel sounded fine. SG-1!
3:43 Title card really says it all doesn't it? :D 4:16 the one time where being radioactive is a good thing :D 6:02 That is an unfortunate face to be showing off XD 20:14 epic rap battles get on it now!!!
Personally I'm somewhat disappointed that the Transformed were an experiment, rather than a natural evolution. To say nothing about how it all takes place on a single planet. It would have been interesting to have the utopian Federation deal with the mutations and social issues of the X-Men.
I don't know. We've had Gary Mitchell and Charlie X in the past so it's not like beings of near absolute power doesn't already exist, but making it too parallel to the Marvel mutants just feels like it would build too much on the fanficness considering the novel (I'm presuming) would be canon and thus they would still exist in the novels' version of the Classic timeline.
The book does address this somewhat. Its mentioned that the Fed has encountered many different types of beings with superpowers (The Changelings are mentioned prominently) and as a result beings with powers dont really phase the Enterprise crew all that much (More annoyed at Archangel's habit of flying around). The X-men are actually taken a back by humans who dont instantly fear and hate them.
While the first William Shatner co-written Star Trek novel-Ashes of Eden-did get a comic adaption, the follow up 'The Return' might be fun to cover if you want to do another book review. There are so many goofy moments but also some things that were absent from Generations [Kirk, Spock and Bones interacting with the TNG crew a lot] which would be fun to get your view point on as a Star Trek Fan.
Yeah, it feels like the "obvious X-Men Parallels" of the Transformed just -- peter out once we get to the planet? I dunno, but I'm glad it wasn't a painful read for you! And I feel for you with the schedule thing -- time management has become my worst enemy too. :(
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The reason it is more Star Trek driven than X-Men is that Michael Jan Friedman knows Trek like the back of his hand. (IE: He wrote of the the DC TNG era comics.) and quite a number of Trek novels. While he read some X-Men comics, he wasn't as big a fan. Not only that, he wasn't Pocket Books, Paramount, or Marvel's first pick for the book. Pocket Books said: 'You know who really loves and understands Star Trek? Peter David. Marvel said: 'You know who loves and gets the X-books? Peter David. Paramount said: 'Now that Richard Arnold has been booted from our licensing books department, do you know whose Trek books we realize are great? Peter David.' Peter David responded to this by saying: 'I'm doing four monthly comics right now, plus a Star Trek New Frontier novel every three to four months. Even if I thought this crossover was a good idea- which I don't- I wouldn't have the time to write it.'
Linkara reviewing a book? What a novel concept!
I see what you did there...
@@All2Meme Or read? What's the terminology here when I'm describing text with no pictures?
His brightest idea since coming up with lamp reviews.
Nothing says Star Trek/X-Men like a scene that can be adequately represented by a still from Tremors
I read this book many years ago, almost all I remember is that Wolverine asked Guinan for "whatever Worf drinks" and she gave him a glass of prune juice.
About the only thing I remembered was Archangel's experiment in how much asshattery the average Starfleet crew member will tolerate.
Ah, a warrior's drink, bub.
I love how this ends with Q just going "I was totally responsible for this."
Like he needed to make sure that people know that he's also here. Classic Q!
Oh, Q! *sitcom laughs*
What’s the point of messing with people if they don’t know you’re messing with them?🤪
He just wanted to end on a better note than having to put up with Trelane. Which was a book.
The Watcher is just sitting there thinking that this is reason he is never invited to the interdimensional cosmic poker nights. That and he cheats.
Q, the Parton God of trolling.
Considering Sir Patrick's later job as Professor Xavier this feels oddly prophetic.
Linkara noted that when this book came out there were already rumors swirling around about Patrick Stewart playing Xavier and was seen as the ultimate fan casting.
I remember him in an interview to promote X2 (I think he was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart) and he was talking about the earlier comic. He specifically asked them to not have both Xavier and Picard on the cover just in case they eventually made a movie. He said that if they looked different on the cover that it would be harder for him to convince them to get him for Xavier.
@@andrebrynkus2055 Makes me wish for a crossover comic with Picard, Director Avery Bullock, and Xavier having to try to deal with each other.
@@Webshooters1 Alex Ross even drew Charles to look like Stewart in his book Marvels which came out 6 years before the movie: comiccoverage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/26/prof_x_stewart.jpg
I would love an eventual crossover with Dom. Feels like you two would make for a good duo in a review
I second that
You should check out the second part of Dom's Lost In Adaptation on The Watchmen.
Ditto
Thankfully, the power of Charles Xavier and Captain Jean-Luc Picard is keeping this video from being demonetized
Patrick Stewart has that effect...
So even in this book, we don't get Picard meeting Professor X in person because of the events happening with Onslaught...
Because that event was so important to keep in continuity.
I like how this plot is pretty much the same thing the Kree did to the Inhumans.
This episode in particular has a lot of rewatch value. Since the visuals don't come from the book, you can listen to this in background and not lose a thing except the clips and stuff and even their jokes are audio. Like a podcast with optional visual component!
I feel like worf and wolverine simply hanging out could be an entire storyline on its own
Sunday episode, too early, too late... a bit of both?
YOU MAKE THE CALL!
I'll make said call: it's too late. XD
@@AT4W so late all I get is “no stream, tap to retry”
@@AT4W same here in mobile
1:35 nice callback
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The crossover that i didn't know i needed in my life but somehow made me happier than i thought i would be
I read this novel as a kid after buying it at the bookstore and I bought purely because of X-Men and TNG but I enjoyed the book because what goes on is a microcosm of what the X-Men deal with on the daily.
Finally was able to watch this last night and I must have spent a good five minutes laughing at the Dom cameo. A wonderful callback.
With you showing text excerpts from the book itself, seems more like "KrimsonRogue" than "Dominic Noble."
7:30 "What's the terminology here when I'm describing text with no pictures?" "Visualize" is a good word for that.
You did just open the door to that trilogy of Spider-Man novels that was written in the 90s, the Sinister Six Trilogy. They're books, and they've got Marvel characters. So there. Now I just need a Patreon request slot.
As for this, I've come across it in libraries, but never read it.
I might have to rewatch the episode about the prequel comic, but wasn't Kang the Conqueror originally involved in this? What ever happened to that plotline?
Got resolved in the crossover comic.
Huh, wait this came out BEFORE the original X-Men movies? Man, the Xavier projection was amazing real-life foreshadowing.
Oh, hell yes. I am there for the Stargate episode. Looking forward to it!
Weird that we’ve gotten so many crossovers between Star Trek and other franchises, yet we can’t get one with Star Wars.
I'm the one that suggested it, thank you
"I wanted to show you the captain's log, so to speak"
And now I'm reminded of John St. John immitating Picard and also doing a line in Duke Nukem's voice "Ah, the captain's log"
I have never even heard of this novel before especially with X-men and Star Trek but It does sound really interesting
I expected a Dom cameo and you both did it and subverted it. Bravo
No fire extinguishers were injured in the making of this comic
As I usually LISTEN to AT4W anyway, this was a great video that opens up new options for Lewis to cover for when we finally run out of bad comics...and if you thought that was a real possibility don't worry. The big two have us covered.
Yes cause when i think of X-Men and more specifically and often than not Star Trek my first thought is of course Tremors! Actually now that i type this it makes a lot more sense.
It's funny how pretty much everything has happened in comics, that you can find an image to go with everything in the book.
That Captain's Log joke has to be one of your best recently, bravo!
YAY! You're reviewing this book, I read it as a kid because it had X-Men and Star Trek TNG. I didn't know it was a sequel though. I actually rather enjoyed it.
Also Marvel had some other novels like the "Time's Arrow" trilogy, "Spider-Man: Dead Or Alive", "Spider-Man vs The Incredible Hulk" (though that was more of a choose your own adventure), and "X-Men: Codename Wolverine".
Now i really want to see a duo of Beast and Worf.
I actually have a copy of this novel--I remember it being fun when I was younger. Not sure how I'd feel reading it now, honestly.
The book is fine.
Likewise, but its still dumb fun.
I remember in one of your opening theme songs featuring the Twilight comic, really looking forward if you ever do a review of it.
Wait, twilight got a comic? THAT twilight?
@@bridgetleekobold9979 Yep. A graphic novel, to be specific.
*Sees the Tremors Screenshot* Awww man RIP Fred Ward
RIP indeed
Vega did a great job on replicating Wolverine's classic design in the thumbnail
23:44 I'm sure a certain Superman will deal with it on his Quest for Peace.
"Bring the X-Men to Picard S3, cowards." It would be kind of hilarious if they did that and never gave an explanation, just leaving the super fans to puzzle that one out.
I always thought the next generation always got a bad wrap so i'm really glad to see them doing really with this comic
...how did next generation get a bad rep? It's considered equal or even better then the original series.
@@keelanbarron928 early like first two seasons
Another point about getting warp drive right (now that I'm finally getting around to watching this): We currently don't know of any other "smaller dimensions/universes", let alone how to "duck into" one to travel... but we DO know that it IS possible to bend spacetime, and that doing so affects the path of an object travelling through space. This means that warp drive is more grounded in current scientific knowledge than hyperdrive (or similar), to the point where there actually HAS BEEN a physics-based outline of a possible means of achieving warp drive, known as the Alcubierre drive. It's derived from Einstein's field equations and other physics and astrophysics concepts. Admittedly, the list for how to make one includes things like "figure out how to have/simulate negative mass and negative energy density" (neither of which is really a thing in physics as of yet) and "figure out how to reconcile relativity and quantum field theory" (which is one of the main objectives of modern physics and has been for a while now), but still....
That one "Transformed" who kept escalating the tension seemed like he was shaping up to be this story's counterpart to Magneto. A fact that got me wondering how different Storm's confrontation with him might go had this crossover happened after "House of M", a story where Magneto's own daughter disparaged their entire species because of how vindictive and power-mad he really was.
24:36 this mean we need to get you a Creepy Crawler oven for X-mas?
I've always been curious how you would have done a review for a novel if anyone ever patreoned one, even if it was likely you may not have taken it up. I have to say the results went pretty well in adapting the medium to your review style.
13:17 Somewhere in the multiverse, a teenage mutant ninja turtle wearing a red headband with eye holes and a guy in a hockey mask are getting an extreme case of FOMO and don't know why.
I got through this in the playlist somewhat recently so this is a pleasant surprise, especially since the schedule had nothing on it last time I checked.
I was wondering if you'd ever review this, and I'm really glad you did! I read this when I was in...middle school, I want to say? and it was my first introduction to several of the X-Men characters (basically, all the ones who weren't in the 90s cartoon), which I think influenced me to delve deeper into the franchise, and eventually, Marvel in general. Haven't read it in over a decade - pretty sure my library doesn't have it anymore - so this was super nostalgic for me. I think your format for reviewing a novel worked pretty well, too; I'd definitely love to see what you think of some of the other Marvel novels from around that time if you ever get patreon requests for them in the future (the Time's Arrow trilogy - a Spider-Man/X-Men crossover - was a particular favorite of mine).
At least Gambit doesn't rap this time like he did at that one Christmas party a few years back.
Thank you.
4:37 rock formations are for character development :P
The "M" in "SPAM" stands for "Messages".
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I love the callback to "weird waste of a cameo"
My favorite "coincidence" in Star Trek is how temporal anomalies and the like only seem to hit highly trained and competent Starfleet personnel. They happen so often, you can only assume Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones have accidently rebooted the universe a few time.s
ALGORITHM ENGAGEMENT SQUAD.... ENGAGE!!!!!
Great review. If you ever do review another novel, it should be Star Trek: TOS 36 - How Much for Just the Planet by John M. Ford.
Top gun 2 and Linkara tonight is a good night
About the whole Prime Directive thing...
Now keep in mind, I'm not really an expert on Star Trek, since I've actually seen very little of it, but if I remember correctly, The Prime Directive means they're not supposed to interfere in the affairs of pre-warp civilizations. If Erid Savard has a brother that is a member of Starfleet, that means that they are not only a post-warp planet, but one that is part of the federation. So the Prime Directive wouldn't apply to this situation at all.
Prime Directive also applies to not interfering with an internal matters of other civilizations, hence why they couldn't directly assist in the Klingon Civil War beyond the blockade along the Romulan border.
@@AT4W but if Xaldia is a member of the federation, then the Federation is required to assist, internal matter or not
@@pokemaster123ism Going from episodes, including the TOS episode "The Cloud Minders", it appears they are allowed if the local government requests the aid and aren't if they don't.
22:57 TNG goldshirts, the redshirts of a new generation.
Nothing like finishing a late work shift and coming home to a new ATFW review.
On Michael Burnhams 47th birthday the galaxy will explode
Lately, I’ve taken to saying “not how that works, but OK” to inconsistencies like the teleportation problem. I can accept that they’re wrong, and then move on. I feel like that’s an easier response than having to justify nerd nitpickery.
This crossover is very good. I may not be a Trekkie (though TNG is a good series), but I do like X Men. Great job as always, Linkara! 😎👍🏻
2:12 oh boy…2 years later, he called it
I loved that book when I was a kid
*Looks at clock*
...its Sunday. Is this really early or really late?
Late.
Nice review Link I read this book in the fall of 99 after finding it at a local library and being floored that there was a Star Trek/X-men crossover (this was before I had the internet). I know it has a negative reputation but I quite enjoyed it myself. Though I must admit I think that it has been mentioned that there is a component of ducking into subspace when warp is utilized though my knowledge of starship physics is limited.
9:45 - That's what I do with most tech that I don't use all that often.
EDIT: yay it works now
Well, I guess I am going to have to make my own script for this video, since I can't hear linkara at all
I was about to comment about that I thought it was my speaker at first
@@jadedheartsz not on my end I'm refreshing it like crazy
@@jadedheartsz I'm on mobile and it's working now,
I actually remember seeing a copy of this novel at my local library in the late 90s. I never read it, because I was a pre-teen, and that type of novel reading was to advanced for me at the time. Nowadays, I'm into reading Star WARS novels.
7:20- Or "Worf in the Multiverse of Madness."
8:17- God, I need to start watching Discovery and all the other Paramount+ Star Trek series, regardless of Angry Joe bashing them over the head with a wiffle ball bat.
21:14- Yeah, I remember how excited I was when I opened the pages of Fox Kids magazine to find out that not only is a live action X-Men movie coming out, but Patrick Stewart is playing Professor X.
You don't need to watch Discovery or any Paramount+ Star Trek series. They're not good and you're better off sticking to old Trek like TOS, TNG, or VOY.
I always wondered how much lightning it would take to destroy a boulder
Even when it's a different medium comics are still weird. Also, will we ever see 90's Dude follow up on the Freak Force series? I'm always up for more 90's Dude. A review of just about any comic containing Cosmic Ghost Rider would be fun given just how delightfully absurd he is on a conceptual level.
"Spelled with two A's and an apostrophe."
What, no "Because Poor Literacy Is Kewl?"
Considered it, decided against it since that's reserved for misspelling actual words to try to be kewl/get a trademark. In this case, it's just an alien species.
Good to know I'm not the only one without sound
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I remember stumbling over this book I’m a book store and being utterly conflicted over whether the idea was awesome, stupid, or just shamelessly gimmicky. Time to find out!
Any videos with 90s dude is sure to be a favorite.
>"What's the terminology here where I'm describing text with no pictures?"
Hallucinated?
26:20 Wolverine looks like he's about to poop himself
16:46 Are those the Krill?
HAPPY MONDAY EVE!
For a moment I thought this was a re-upload. (laugh)
I did read that novel.
I wouldn't have ever thought Star Trek would have a crossover with X-Men.
I'd assume thay'd finally have a crossover with Star Wars before anything else.
8:11 - 8:14
I bet that shot at Discovery felt good, huh, Lewis?
Edit: And you made another one.
Those aren't even the worst shots I could make at Discovery - even if I was a fan of it, they would be pretty innocuous snark about it like any series.
@@AT4W Fair enough. BTW, is there any chance of you covering more stuff from indie companies? I’d like to see you cover some of AC Comics’ catalogue.
Bit of a correction about warp drive. It's not that it compresses distance, it's that it bends space around the ship compressing it in front and expanding it behind with a 'bubble' of unbent spacetime in the middle. The best example in real life is the math behind the theoretical Alcubierre Drive. The super short and layman friendly version (which is also the one I need since I'm a mechanical engineer and not a theoretical physicist) is that it takes advantage of a loop-hole in reality that says that matter/energy cannot move faster than light but space itself can expand and contract faster than light. Reality is stranger than fiction. Also the modern Trek effect is just doing another take on the classic streaking stars, though turned up to 11 since, best I can tell, the effect is a combination of the warp field bending light (some exterior shots remind me more of the 'bullet' effect from Beyond which brought back a much more classic looking warp effect) and space dust hitting the navigational deflectors and releasing energy. Completely on the mark about the Into Darkness portrayal though since that was acting more like a transwarp conduit than warp drive.
Also about Burnham, the complaint about her is basically the same complaint people had about the TNG movies when they came out. Namely that they became "The Picard and Data show". Though it has gotten better about that over time even if for some reason they still make the Captain's Log overly poetic sounding.
On the Prime Directive, Pen Pals and The High Ground establish that local governments can ask for help in internal affairs, usually in the form of arbitration or humanitarian aid. In general, the Prime Directive means no butting in uninvited to internal affairs and no messing with societies that have yet to develop warp tech. The main point with the latter is to avoid everything from cargo cults forming to avoiding the mistakes of Colonialism (and related ills) and going about "civilizing" the galaxy. Basically waiting until the planetary society can meet on an equal-footing and when future contact is inevitable. Now Homeward is a bit of a sticky point, but the conflict in that has to do with A) Worf's adoptive brother not actually proposing an alternative beyond the equivalent of keeping them in a fishbowl and B) the genetic diversity is positively screwed and we later see in the episode that revealing the truth would likely result in mass suicide. There were no good options there which I think was part of the point. It does make for a great source of debate with the right people though.
The little bit of bitterness I detected did detract a little bit (personal thing, as I've grown more seasoned I can't help but reflect that it's kind of... pointless to hold on to anger over most things. Better to find enjoyment where you can and make the most of your time), but overall this was still a fun episode. Legitimately laughed hard enough that my headphones went flying off my head at one point.
"Also about Burnham, the complaint about her is basically the same complaint people had about the TNG movies when they came out. Namely that they became "The Picard and Data show". Though it has gotten better about that over time even if for some reason they still make the Captain's Log overly poetic sounding."
Here's the thing - you're completely right about that, same problem happened with Voyager and how so much of the show became about Seven of Nine (great character, but ended up way overexposed as she became the writers' favorite)... but that's not what I mean. Her being the main character is kind of weird for what is SUPPOSED to be an ensemble show and it does hurt things, especially when she gets a looooot of exposure over other characters who barely get anything.
But I mean that TONS AND TONS of major plot points of the first three seasons revolve around her in particular. Her mutiny, her getting Georgiou killed, Lorca specifically getting her, her being a major figure in the Mirror Universe (not uncommon, admittedly, with Mirror Universe stuff, but she in particular is SUCH an important figure because of her relationship to the Empress and Lorca and the events that transpired there), the Red Angel is HER mother and was specifically attempting to help her, she's Spock's previously-unmentioned adopted sister, arguably her presence contributed a lot of Spock's history and development, she had to be the one who went to the future and everyone decided to abandon their lives and futures for her (partially explored in season 3 but not nearly enough), once in the future she kept being put into positions she should not have but ended up helping resolve the situation (the seed ship, on Trill), she's the one who uncovered the music and was investigating the Burn, she's the one who helps keep more problems from arising between the Romulans and Vulcans, was not only given a pass for her insubordinate acts but a full-on promotion to Captain of Discovery, and she's the one who took down Osyrra.
I don't hate Michael at all. I think despite the retcons relating to Spock, she's a perfectly fine character... but the universe seems to bend around her to make her the most important person at the center of everything and it got REALLY annoying when I watched Discovery. I can't speak to season 4 if that continued because I quit after season 3.
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I can certainly understand why you feel that way. One of the complaints I had about Discovery was that, for some reason, the writers decided to go with a single main character (1) to follow with a lot of supporting characters rather than the classic ensemble cast. So everything had to tie back to Burnham in someway rather than spreading out the connections among the whole cast as needed. Though I wouldn't say the universe bends around her myself, it's more our perspective as the audience given that her character arc was given the kind of priority normally reserved for the B-Plot in a regular episode for a good chunk of the season. It's not the creative choice I'd have made, but I have met people that *really* enjoy it and for them Disco became a jumping off point to watch other parts of the franchise so I'm willing to overlook what I personally view as a flaw if it gets more people interested in the backlog on top of the new materials.
As for Season 4, I'd say the story is pretty good given that it touches on some things I suspect Star Trek would have touched on sooner if it was possible with the budget of previous shows and the writers pulled back more so it's much more of an ensemble. I'd say it's worth your time when you feel up to it; likely after a bit of a break to recharge so you can tackle things fresh. On the positive side, it also means you won't have to wait months for the whole story to come out since, while the first half does feel more standalone, it is still rather serialized and made for binging. Kind of like how some comics are written for the trade.
(1) Which is something they said in interviews years ago, though not directly since the person that was being interviewed at the time seemed to think that the Captain of previous series was the 'main character'. Something I accepted as that the writers basically had to relearn a lot of how to write a Trek show since there hadn't been a TV series in over a decade at that point and the new writers all likely wanted to leave their mark in some way.
Missed opportunity: when observing that there was no pictures in the novel, you could have cut to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
“How can you read this? There’s no pictures in it!”
I had this novel.... actually wait.... no I still have this. Picked it up just becuase, well, the concept of the crossover, was really surprised to find it a sequel to something else.
Was that an intentional tease? Discussing the Stargate and then promising us an SG-1 miniseries? Either way, I can't wait!
Oh, and the novel sounded fine. SG-1!
I'm in NYC, no audio issues. There may be regional content muting. Lewis is probably dealing with a copyright strike.
Lol that's a thing?
@@jadedheartsz Ah.
Funny enough, this was my first exposer to this crossover, not the comics, but the book.
This review…seems..RATHER NOVEL!
*BA DUM TSSS!!*
0:31 i didn't know that letters were numbers.
3:43 Title card really says it all doesn't it? :D
4:16 the one time where being radioactive is a good thing :D
6:02 That is an unfortunate face to be showing off XD
20:14 epic rap battles get on it now!!!
Personally I'm somewhat disappointed that the Transformed were an experiment, rather than a natural evolution. To say nothing about how it all takes place on a single planet. It would have been interesting to have the utopian Federation deal with the mutations and social issues of the X-Men.
I don't know. We've had Gary Mitchell and Charlie X in the past so it's not like beings of near absolute power doesn't already exist, but making it too parallel to the Marvel mutants just feels like it would build too much on the fanficness considering the novel (I'm presuming) would be canon and thus they would still exist in the novels' version of the Classic timeline.
The book does address this somewhat. Its mentioned that the Fed has encountered many different types of beings with superpowers (The Changelings are mentioned prominently) and as a result beings with powers dont really phase the Enterprise crew all that much (More annoyed at Archangel's habit of flying around). The X-men are actually taken a back by humans who dont instantly fear and hate them.
While the first William Shatner co-written Star Trek novel-Ashes of Eden-did get a comic adaption, the follow up 'The Return' might be fun to cover if you want to do another book review. There are so many goofy moments but also some things that were absent from Generations [Kirk, Spock and Bones interacting with the TNG crew a lot] which would be fun to get your view point on as a Star Trek Fan.
Yeah, it feels like the "obvious X-Men Parallels" of the Transformed just -- peter out once we get to the planet? I dunno, but I'm glad it wasn't a painful read for you! And I feel for you with the schedule thing -- time management has become my worst enemy too. :(
For those wondering how else to do book reviews, try out the Pop Arena. He almost exclusively reviews books with custom visuals.
Still waiting on another, I don't know why I love these crossovers.