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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2021
  • The nu-metal tier list is here! Where do nu-metal bands like POK, Korn, Mudvayne, Coal Chamber, Kittie, Soulfly, and Orgy belong? And stay tuned for part 2 of the nu-metal tier list!
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 года назад +53

    Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty

    • @duanemartin4958
      @duanemartin4958 2 года назад +1

      Check out Deadsy

    • @Cowabunga135
      @Cowabunga135 2 года назад

      Loved the video finn Cant wait for the second video!

    • @duanemartin4958
      @duanemartin4958 2 года назад

      Do you not like clean lyrics? Because.. an amazing vocalist... I think who gets no respect is the lead singer from Ultraspank.. especially..the " Progress " album

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 2 года назад

      Korns first Album was Dark and groovy.

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 2 года назад

      I use to skate to Coal Chambers self-titled. Devil Driver had some good stuff, but they're more MetalCore.

  • @Zimuahaha
    @Zimuahaha 2 года назад +1173

    "Does anyone actually like these slower, quieter parts of Nu-Metal songs?" Me. I am the one. The contrast between the heavy and clean parts make the heavy parts slap that much harder.

    • @gus2n
      @gus2n 2 года назад +94

      Me too, sometimes the chill rap verses are the highlight for me with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc. That's why I like nu metal because it has a bit of everything

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 года назад +44

      He doesn't hate them as much as he claims. He says Korn is great, and most of their songs do that. I do agree that you have to do it well, though.

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 года назад +61

      Your mention of clean parts making the heavy slap harder is why I will usually defend melodeath over regular death metal, though the purists hate on that. If it is nothing but growling and blast beats the whole album, you get used to it and it just doesn't feel as intense after a while.

    • @SportsMetalBizkit
      @SportsMetalBizkit 2 года назад +4

      Exactly

    • @PhilUribe
      @PhilUribe 2 года назад +1

      Used to love em as a kid but I got really annoyed by them as I grew older.

  • @leestaggers2583
    @leestaggers2583 2 года назад +286

    "Korn's drip is Untouchable" I see what you did there Finn lol

    • @daverichards9141
      @daverichards9141 Год назад +25

      I would have issues with him if he didn't.

    • @christianhackl474
      @christianhackl474 Год назад +3

      @Dave Richards I also see what you did *there* 👀haha

    • @mainsmain
      @mainsmain Год назад +21

      @@christianhackl474 I mean it's pretty obvious, you would have to be Blind to not see that

    • @the_padzer3456
      @the_padzer3456 Год назад +6

      ​@tiagovalen good god, you're great at this

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw 9 месяцев назад +2

      You know all these other nu metal bands Follow The Leader

  • @kinglolo88
    @kinglolo88 2 года назад +265

    Mudvayne was amazing. Chad's lyrics and Ryan's bass playing was out of this world. L.D. 50, The End of All Things to Come, and Lost and Found were amazing albums.

    • @geargod39
      @geargod39 2 года назад +2

      Even their self-titled their newest one from 2009 was really good

    • @raregrimebeats1352
      @raregrimebeats1352 2 года назад +5

      Ld50 & five pointe o’s untitled hve aged gracefully

    • @goner.9989
      @goner.9989 Год назад +4

      Lost and found is a god tier album

    • @sickfitz4256
      @sickfitz4256 Год назад +4

      Brr brr deng brr brr deng brr brr deng

    • @raregrimebeats1352
      @raregrimebeats1352 Год назад +3

      @@sickfitz4256 nu metal at its best

  • @danielseale9636
    @danielseale9636 2 года назад +253

    That Mudvayne-Dig video is legendary. You can give it shit, but if it wasn't as "cringe" as you say, it never would have got them on people's radar and really launch their careers. And it's arguably more popular now then it was back then.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 2 года назад +2

      How the hell is Mudvayne more popular now than they were back in the dsy? I dont get it?!? I met them in Detroit and Ryan is as cool as you would think.

    • @codyscards6698
      @codyscards6698 2 года назад +9

      Nobody remember mudvaynes famous MTV awards appearance? They were awesome to us 13 year olds

    • @CM-ek9ec
      @CM-ek9ec 2 года назад +10

      A tier band for sure

    • @ChainsawChristmas
      @ChainsawChristmas 2 года назад +7

      @@alanomie because "brr brr dang, brr brr dang" is a meme at this point. And the internet is undefeated at spreading popularity of a meme.

    • @QQyoko
      @QQyoko 2 года назад +7

      BRR BRR DENG

  • @BradNolanVideography
    @BradNolanVideography 2 года назад +660

    Mudvayne had a little bit more success than you think. When they won a VMA and wore all white suits covered in blood, that was an iconic Nu Metal moment.

    • @oops6876
      @oops6876 2 года назад +23

      Legit just watched that last week cause it popped into my feed lol

    • @CannibalEnt
      @CannibalEnt 2 года назад +27

      They had songs in multiple movies as well

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 2 года назад +13

      I remember having heard new (nu) songs by Mudvayne on rock radio in late 2008, so there’s that.

    • @cashusclay69able
      @cashusclay69able 2 года назад

      .

    • @dustinkern5273
      @dustinkern5273 2 года назад +25

      Mudvayne was just below slipknot imo in that mask wearing group ahead of mushroomhead for sure

  • @laurisaarinen1126
    @laurisaarinen1126 2 года назад +338

    I'm dying here because of how obsessed Finn is with Orgy's "giga-chad jaws" 😂
    Your commentary is some of the funniest on YT!

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 года назад +32

      Thank you!

    • @ZL1LoVeR
      @ZL1LoVeR 2 года назад +32

      Karen meets Edward Scissor Hands 🤣🤣🤣

    • @sandrasurgiewicz2846
      @sandrasurgiewicz2846 2 года назад +9

      I say we Go Found Finn's chin fillers lol

    • @ryannachtrab
      @ryannachtrab 2 года назад +5

      Haha damnit, I just left a comment about this lol. I went to a little hillbilly farm school with 100 kids in each class and the girls STILL loved Jay Gordon

    • @frostogtaake
      @frostogtaake 2 года назад +6

      Orgy was the best

  • @theSinisterBend
    @theSinisterBend 2 года назад +164

    Mudvayne as a whole wasn't very influential but EVERY numetal kid that played bass shit their pants the first time they listened to LD50. Hell, I was a regular guitar player and I was blown away. Ryan Martini is undeniable on bass guitar.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 2 года назад +2

      Fucking Beast Mode! Ryan is so cool.

    • @maxh9579
      @maxh9579 2 года назад +7

      I did shit my pants when I heard the bass on LD50. I had never heard anything like it and it is the reason i started playing bass

    • @kennyhouser3467
      @kennyhouser3467 2 года назад +7

      Ryan Martinie's influence is plastered all over metal bass these days. The Jinjer bassist is a prime example. He is basically just carrying on the legacy. Before him the bassist was just "supposed to" play the rhythm root notes to give the guitars more punch. Martini could legitimately be considered the driving force in many of their songs. I know for me as a bass player, he was and still is one of my biggest influences.

    • @theSinisterBend
      @theSinisterBend 2 года назад +3

      @@kennyhouser3467 100%. I remember me and a bass player friend of mine learning Mudvayne songs to jam together back in the early 2000's. Watching him play along to the song Dig while I played guitar I couldn't believe the fret board acrobatics he was pulling off. The regular guitar work in that song is pretty basic but the bass was next level. I'd never seen a bass played like that in metal.

    • @trottingfoxinc
      @trottingfoxinc 2 года назад +2

      Can confirm, picked up bass in 3rd grade, discovered LD50 as a freshman in HS, now at 26 I can say without a doubt, that one album has had way more influence on my bass playing than any single other source. I picked up so many little techniques trying to emulate Ryan.

  • @aaryamannambiar6677
    @aaryamannambiar6677 2 года назад +156

    Finn: "Korn has 5 albums in the billboard top 10"
    Korn: "14... but you were close."

  • @yeagerzombie
    @yeagerzombie 2 года назад +234

    I want it on record that Ryan Martinie from mudvayne is one of the best bassists from this era and was part of the reason I started playing bass.

    • @MrRiceRKT
      @MrRiceRKT 2 года назад +11

      Bought me a Warwick Thumb bass last week just cause of him. Ryan is an amazing musician and super humble person.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 2 года назад +9

      Facts, all of them are amazing musicians. Chad is my favorite metal vocalist. I hate Hellyeah tho

    • @driiifter
      @driiifter 2 года назад

      too bad hes with Fodera now.. Gotta get me a Fodera instead xD

    • @dt-hf8vz
      @dt-hf8vz 2 года назад

      he’s a talented vocalist too

    • @taliesinpotter4097
      @taliesinpotter4097 2 года назад +8

      I'd argue he's one of the best bassists period not just of the era

  • @joeplaysdrums89
    @joeplaysdrums89 2 года назад +73

    As a kid who grew up in a very religious home, P.O.D. was allowed because it was christian and they were honestly my gateway to finding Linkin Park and moving into heavier music as I got older. Mad respect to P.OD.

    • @danielbroache
      @danielbroache Год назад +3

      I found a Living Sacrifice CD at the local Berean(Christian FYE) and my parents HATED it. I bought a Christian metal DVD and my mom did take that one from me haha. "Heaven's Metal" I think it was called, it was just too "extreme."

    • @shvrkofficial2616
      @shvrkofficial2616 Год назад +1

      Have you ever heard of seventh Angel? Their album Lament for the weary goes hard

    • @Brklyn-dd9yo
      @Brklyn-dd9yo 11 месяцев назад +1

      This is me 💯💯💯

  • @liamriddell8461
    @liamriddell8461 2 года назад +72

    Man, Mudvayne are 100% great. You gotta listen to the entirety of L.D.50. The hype isn't false.

    • @mikeFM76
      @mikeFM76 8 месяцев назад +1

      Nope... nothing to gien is fuckin insane. So many great moments. Prod?!?

  • @eliwestmaas8523
    @eliwestmaas8523 2 года назад +52

    As a nu metal kid from the 90s. I loved the clean vocals an cringe whispery parts, not gonna lie

    • @xXchaotic-spiteXx
      @xXchaotic-spiteXx 2 года назад +7

      Bro I still pump this shit 20 years later likes it's fresh asf also still rocking Osiris like it's 2001

    • @mid-s_to_earlysViBEZ
      @mid-s_to_earlysViBEZ Год назад +2

      @@xXchaotic-spiteXx *HELL YEAH…!!!!* *Brother, I HOPE YOU STILL ARE.* 🙏🤜🤞

  • @thenightcap6295
    @thenightcap6295 2 года назад +225

    As a deftones fan I’m already preparing myself to be offended in part 2 😆

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 2 года назад +11

      ha. I just commented basically the same thing.

    • @BearTow
      @BearTow 2 года назад +5

      To be fair, we're horribly abusive lol

    • @meowtherainbowx4163
      @meowtherainbowx4163 2 года назад +7

      I’m glad he’s gonna finally give an opinion on them and SOAD without being forced to make whole videos.

    • @PalmelaHanderson
      @PalmelaHanderson 2 года назад +7

      Deftones are like such a niche thing. Around the Fur is probably my favorite album of theirs, but everything after that is more commercially successful. I didn't realize that their latest album reached #5 on billboard, that's crazy. But, I don't know, it's like they exist in a vacuum. I wouldn't cite them as a big influence on a lot of things, they just carved their niche out and do it really well.

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 2 года назад +9

      I don't see a lot of toxic Deftones fans. Everybody I know that love Deftones, are genuinely nice people. I've been to 2 of their shows, got pictures of me and Chino taking in Raleigh, NC, and everyone was cool. I never try and push them on others either. I usually tell people that they might not like it, and if they do we can talk about them.

  • @dudenamedskip
    @dudenamedskip 2 года назад +216

    I could listen to you talk about and be excited about Nu-Metal all day everyday.

    • @matthewerne9178
      @matthewerne9178 2 года назад +3

      Check out the Roach Koach podcast!

    • @Elchonlster
      @Elchonlster 2 года назад

      Same

    • @finnamory604
      @finnamory604 2 года назад +5

      @@matthewerne9178 yes dude, Roach koach is fucking essential for any Nu Metal enthusiast

    • @nogrecords
      @nogrecords 2 года назад +10

      Lol Nu Metal RULES. I don't care what anyone says

    • @rockboy360
      @rockboy360 2 года назад +1

      Roach Koach is The Nu Metal MBA

  • @j.m.1928
    @j.m.1928 2 года назад +44

    Never understood the underappreciation towards Mudvayne. They shit slapps...

    • @leadme2thebliss21
      @leadme2thebliss21 2 года назад +1

      I think they got the appreciation they deserved. They weren't as influential as bands like Korn or Slipknot and just didn't have the same lasting appeal and originality those bands had. I remember seeing them on the 2nd stage at Ozzfest 2001, honestly I kind of paid half attention to them I was probably preoccupied and just getting hyped up for Marilyn Manson and Black Sabbath, they both were amazing live back 2 back!

    • @DaveFurbush
      @DaveFurbush 2 года назад

      Their "singer" is beyond fucking terrible.

    • @j.m.1928
      @j.m.1928 2 года назад

      @@DaveFurbush Your wackass opinion...

  • @kennyhouser3467
    @kennyhouser3467 2 года назад +61

    Speaking of Mudvayne, Ryan Martinie deserves even more credit than he already gets. His influence is seen all over the metal scene. Everywhere from Metalcore on down to Tech Death. He made bassists actually leading songs instead of just playing whatever root notes the rhythm guitarist is playing a thing. His playing is where my liking of their music begins and ends. I can think of at least 12 riffs I've made myself in that style.

  • @drummerAVA
    @drummerAVA 2 года назад +56

    I can’t think of Nu-metal without thinking about all the industrial-tinged sci-fi movies and video games of the early 2000’s. Goes together like peanut butter and jelly…

    • @DBL304
      @DBL304 2 года назад +4

      Battlefield Earth, Queen of the Damned, man that makes me have some weird flashbacks

    • @GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000
      @GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 2 года назад +6

      @@DBL304 Daredevil,Doom,Punisher

    • @atvena
      @atvena 2 года назад +6

      The matrix

    • @DBL304
      @DBL304 2 года назад +1

      @@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 big facts!

    • @Sergio-nb4hj
      @Sergio-nb4hj Год назад +2

      Yes!!! This is maybe my favorite part of the nu metal aesthetic

  • @crowdkillproductions.
    @crowdkillproductions. 2 года назад +57

    My old band opened for Kittie in like 2007. They were good live and were cool enough to hang with us after the show. Was a good time.

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 2 года назад +5

      One of them now has a damn good doom band, The White Swan.

    • @SoilentGr33n
      @SoilentGr33n 2 года назад +2

      @@devenscience8894 Yeah White Swan fucking rocks.

    • @nicholasmisiak4724
      @nicholasmisiak4724 2 года назад +2

      What was your band??

    • @crowdkillproductions.
      @crowdkillproductions. 2 года назад +5

      @@nicholasmisiak4724 illbred theory. Just a local band that got lucky. Was nothing big.

    • @xXchaotic-spiteXx
      @xXchaotic-spiteXx 2 года назад +4

      I will defend Kittie till I die

  • @Bunseboy
    @Bunseboy 2 года назад +55

    Mudvayne´s LD50 is to this day the most complete album ever for me. I love every song on it, even the transitional pieces. The whole album is so cohesive, i hardly can listen to one song alone, have to listen to it from start to finish.
    You can definetly count them as New Metal, but they have so many prog elements, especially on their first 2 albums. Weird time signatures, tempo changes, song structures, interesting (imo) lyrics to fill pages.
    As many other pointed out before, Ryan had/still has a HUGE influence on metal bass players to this day.
    Saw them live like 5 or 6 times and they killed it everytime, playing always 1h+ sets, giving all they got, esp Chad who i felt was close to passing out a lotta times.
    I´m obviously biased, so im a bit salty about that b-tier xD
    Love your content tho, but please listen to LD50, im sure you´ll love it.
    Cheers

  • @laowhy86
    @laowhy86 2 года назад +66

    The "Oriental - U Like U Eat Buffet" Soulfly font got me dead.

    • @5500somerandomdude
      @5500somerandomdude 2 года назад

      Now they just need to do an album cover of their logo on Chinese take out and the circle will be complete.

  • @Henry14arsenal2007
    @Henry14arsenal2007 2 года назад +95

    Yes we do like those "boring" parts. Thats called texture, that same Korn had a ton of them, didnt seem to bother you.

    • @KevinEDF
      @KevinEDF 2 года назад +28

      If you start the song at 10 and remain at 10, 10 doesn't feel so powerful. Need some lows to appreciate the highs.

    • @SuperRedhawk13
      @SuperRedhawk13 2 года назад +22

      Big gitar string go chug chug

    • @loompy1440
      @loompy1440 2 года назад +3

      Im with finn on this one, but I do like clean bridges when they accomplish a mood or “clash” with the rest of the song in an intentionally environmental/ dissonant way. often times they don’t seem to add anything, and that’s what sets bands like korn and soulfly apart, the songwriting in korn is just objectively better than most other nu metal and every section of a korn song is a hook so the little worm parts just make their songs even more catchy

    • @XViTNg
      @XViTNg 2 года назад +3

      That’s cause Korn knew how to do it right. Daddy being a great example. The tension Korn built in their soft parts actually did build texture and make the heavy parts even heavier. But in a lot of Nu Metal bands it is just a weird back and forth.

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw Год назад

      @@loompy1440 They understand Groove & Melody for sure

  • @Wolfiegreenwood
    @Wolfiegreenwood 2 года назад +74

    I'll always love Nu-Metal. If I had kids it'd be my embarrassing Dad music. Right now it's just my embarrassing Uncle music.
    Edit - Coal Chamber are unironically one of my favourite bands. I genuinely used to dress like that in the early 00's.

    • @koolerkaida8002
      @koolerkaida8002 2 года назад +2

      lmao, I kinda dig coal chamber's style. their music is perfectly heavy and the crazy outfit styles that they did were not *too* cringey.

    • @leadme2thebliss21
      @leadme2thebliss21 2 года назад +2

      I saw them live a few times back in the day. CC were a good band but they certainly were no Korn or Deftones, they kind of ripped off Korns sound, but they were a good live band!

    • @kandykorn4425
      @kandykorn4425 2 года назад +2

      Their album dark days is top tier nu metal

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 2 года назад

      @@kandykorn4425 How Finn talked about them for about 5 minutes without even a snippet of “Fiend” baffled me.

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw Год назад

      People tend to forget about Coal Chamber.... Snot too

  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 2 года назад +23

    As a Kittie fan I was ready for someone to once again talk about Kittie as Nu metal even though only a few songs on their first album were that.
    Really appreciate you showing songs like cutthroat and pointing out that they later transitioned to straight up metal!

  • @hanislip
    @hanislip 2 года назад +88

    Well soulfly is my biggest influence

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 2 года назад +5

      Soulfly are dope, and got their name from a dope song that Max did with Deftones called Headup.

    • @morasoftwood8224
      @morasoftwood8224 2 года назад +5

      You ever wonder what’s in those backpack? 😂

    • @kristi3908
      @kristi3908 2 года назад +2

      Left me hanging! :)

    • @ryannachtrab
      @ryannachtrab 2 года назад +1

      @@beastmerc84 DDOOOOOD...Headup goes hard as fuuuuuuuck. Back in 1998 (or whenever) that song was filthy as hell and one of the main reasons I love Deftones so much

    • @troywilliams6849
      @troywilliams6849 2 года назад +1

      I dont believe you..lol....but I do like soulfly

  • @shayne5143
    @shayne5143 2 года назад +45

    Hey Finn did you know that I LOVE THE DEFTONES

  • @kolin572
    @kolin572 2 года назад +29

    numetal is becoming one of my favorite subgenres ever no cap

  • @adamatkins1984
    @adamatkins1984 2 года назад +9

    I actually met Rizzo back in his Ill Nino days, my GF at the time asked him "what's with the bag?" to which he replied "it's just a look, why not." High possibility the dude had nothing in the bag at all, what's more nu metal than wearing an empty backpack?? Very little I'd imagine.

  • @atlys258
    @atlys258 2 года назад +6

    Oh my god that bit about "seeing someone in Fieldy shoes at a bus stop near a methadone clinic" had me screaming 🤣🤣

  • @paulgrossman8830
    @paulgrossman8830 2 года назад +43

    I think the reason people (like myself) love mudvaybe is the sound. chad gray (in my opinion) is one of the most talented male vocalists out there. love his sound, incredible range, incredible control over his voice, etc. ryan is obviously one of the greatest bass players to ever grace metal music. matt is an INCREDIBLE drummer who pairs extremely well with ryan. honestly their weak point is their guitarist greg, but he’s solid and does exactly what he needs to fit the music. combine that with consistently good songs (once again in my opinion), and it becomes tough not to like them.
    at least my 2 cents.
    good video though, entertaining and inciteful as always

    • @kaylek3874
      @kaylek3874 11 месяцев назад

      Feel the same way about the individual members. I really enjoyed hearing Chad’s vocals evolve throughout time on the albums. Great band all around.

    • @SerErryk
      @SerErryk 9 месяцев назад

      They would be great, but their lyrics are F tier. Just truly awful.

    • @kaylek3874
      @kaylek3874 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@SerErryk you’re wrong but ok

  • @donholbert7986
    @donholbert7986 2 года назад +64

    Gotta say: Mudvayne is easily my favorite band out of this video, but "Happy?" is such a good song, people just give it shit because it's not as heavy. I'd still say "Lost And Found" is a good album, not their best, but definitely better than their self-titled

    • @Zimuahaha
      @Zimuahaha 2 года назад +6

      Fkn love Happy.

    • @therealmccoyruf
      @therealmccoyruf 2 года назад +3

      “Determined” is heavy, ld 50 is like prog nu metal

    • @underrottensky
      @underrottensky 2 года назад +1

      great album

    • @peazeralus
      @peazeralus 2 года назад +2

      The problem is Lost and Found came after LD50 and EoATtC.

    • @CCrawford522
      @CCrawford522 2 года назад +3

      Happy? Was an amazing song!

  • @deecee8972
    @deecee8972 2 года назад +15

    P.O.D is the best live performance I've ever seen and I saw them in 2011 after their peak popularity.

  • @joeparkinson1237
    @joeparkinson1237 2 года назад +16

    The “backpack guy” from Soulfly was Marc Rizzo! Roy was one of their old drummers... he’s now in Stone Sour 🤘🏻

    • @gpcbt89
      @gpcbt89 2 года назад +1

      He still carrying that backpack?

    • @joeparkinson1237
      @joeparkinson1237 2 года назад +2

      @@gpcbt89 Not anymore haha. He started wearing it when he was in Il Nino and then kept it for his first few years with Soulfly I believe

    • @Gemini_Mama
      @Gemini_Mama 2 года назад

      I saw Soulfly open for Slayer back in 2002. Can confirm no backpacks at that point, but Roy had awesome pink and black hair at that time.

  • @crazydud3380
    @crazydud3380 2 года назад +19

    Part of nu metal's influence is from grunge, which is why you sometimes get the quiet verses with loud chorus (which was practically a requirement in grunge). I will agree it was usually not that great, though Korn always knew how to do it right. Most of their songs do the quiet verse with loud chorus.
    I see we saved most the heavy hitters for part 2. Makes us come back for Part 2, so good hustle!

  • @coleG112
    @coleG112 2 года назад +48

    Listening to Orgy makes me realize that this is EXACTLY what Skillet was trying to imitate in some songs in their first couple albums holy crap. Then they jumped on the Shinedown train, and now they're just Christian Imagine Dragons. Their newest song goes pretty hard though

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 2 года назад +6

      Their new song is still as predictable as it gets.

    • @coleG112
      @coleG112 2 года назад +3

      @@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I don't disagree at all. It's just nice to actually hear some real guitars in the intro and outro finally lol. The processed drums in the verses were a bummer and the progression (especially the chorus) was so obvious.
      I hate that John's side project has been so "one and done". He was doing some kinda cool "Old Skillet" sorts of stuff with that and I really liked the entire EP.

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 2 года назад +1

      @@coleG112 I just heard about his side project the other day. There’s a lot of potential in it and the guy can yell. And yeah, I cannot stand that chorus. I read a comment about how it’s meant for Madden or WWE. I do like the way the guitars sound but would be nice to hear more than just power chords.

    • @michealrosen
      @michealrosen 2 года назад +1

      Interesting take I never noticed that good observation

    • @croak8575
      @croak8575 2 года назад +4

      Isn't Imagine Dragons Mormon already

  • @Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001
    @Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001 2 года назад +10

    Ryan Martini is the greatest bass player in Metal, hands down. Glad I got to do alot of concert's from 99 to today. First time mudvayne concert was 03. Damn I'm old

  • @pseudonym9238
    @pseudonym9238 2 года назад +21

    Orgy's like my favorite band and I'm just happy that you even gave them a spot. It seems like they always get left out when talking about nu-metal but they had a lot going for them, especially with the aesthetics. I just wish the new Orgy lineup and music didn't seem like a complete betrayal of everything that came before it.

    • @nimbletimplekins7601
      @nimbletimplekins7601 5 месяцев назад

      Same, they were like the perfect fusion of Nu Metal and Industrial

  • @jesperpersson4462
    @jesperpersson4462 2 года назад +14

    Nu Metal drip is the best drip in metal change my mind

  • @michealrosen
    @michealrosen 2 года назад +29

    You need to listen to more mudvayne, the bass player is one of the best bass players in history, also the vocal range of the singer is massive, not on Maynard's level but pretty close.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 2 года назад +3

      Finn doesn't care for Mudvayne, but youre right, he absolutely should!

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 2 года назад +5

      Mudavayne's whole rhythm section is S tier. They are super talented musicians, but unfortunately the band wasn't around for that long. I think they would be at the same alt-metal level as Deftones had the band continued.

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 2 года назад

      @@alanomie “Bad drip” 🤦🏽‍♀️😆

    • @aarav_905
      @aarav_905 2 года назад +2

      I saw this somewhere but he has 4 octaves which is 1 or 2 more than average, the drummer matt is a really good songwriter and surprisingly is really good at ambient stuff, Ryan martinie is obviously one the of the best bass players in modern metal and the guitarist is really great at supporting the band.

  • @Kat-tr2ig
    @Kat-tr2ig 11 месяцев назад +3

    My biggest memory of Mudvayne was watching the Dig video when it first came out with my then infant son in my arms and it scared him so much he started crying histerically, and I quickly changed the channel. And every time he heard those first couple of notes he'd start bawling. Mudvayne, traumatizing boys since 2001.

  • @xenos_n.
    @xenos_n. 2 года назад +14

    I don't even think Orgy was much of a nu metal band, their second album was pretty damn awesome I remember owning that and really enjoying it.

    • @grindpsycho
      @grindpsycho Год назад +2

      I agree, Orgy was an industrial metal, and that is a maybe. But I love their music.

  • @TheCivildecay
    @TheCivildecay 2 года назад +61

    Deftones toxic fanbase police here to check if Deftones is in fact S-Tier

    • @B-Shells
      @B-Shells 2 года назад +9

      They better be!

    • @peazeralus
      @peazeralus 2 года назад +7

      In the 20+ years I've been listening to the Deftones, you are the second person I've seen call their fanbase toxic.

    • @dalekay9ine
      @dalekay9ine 2 года назад +4

      @@peazeralus pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 2 года назад +7

      @@dalekay9ine no, Finn has a rule never to talk about Deftones in any meaningful way because of their fanbase. Plus, he doesn't like them, which is too bad, because their influence has only risen.

    • @TheCivildecay
      @TheCivildecay 2 года назад +4

      @@peazeralus the other one is Finn?;)

  • @SoundAsleepSpace
    @SoundAsleepSpace 2 года назад +14

    Mudvayne should be tier A, they were every popular.

    • @theirishpotato6588
      @theirishpotato6588 2 года назад

      I agree.

    • @MrRiceRKT
      @MrRiceRKT 2 года назад +4

      Agree, and highly influential too, especially Ryan Martinies bass playing has inspired a lot people to start playing bass.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 2 года назад +3

      I agree, my favorite band. Bro musically they are the most superior band when it comes to musician ship other than maybe slipknot but that's a huge maybe

    • @theirishpotato6588
      @theirishpotato6588 2 года назад +4

      @@RCX817 yee. I honestly don't find the face paint cringey.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 2 года назад +3

      @@theirishpotato6588 no not at all, it's part of the show

  • @senppy1596
    @senppy1596 2 года назад +4

    so the thing about the clean parts is that it makes the heavy parts feel shit ton more heavier a good example is korn's falling away from me. the main riff is heavy but after the little clean break it sound so much heavier

  • @jpmetalhead16
    @jpmetalhead16 2 года назад +2

    I bet the dude in Korn with the sleeveless shirt is the drummer.
    You said he wasn't cooperating with the nu metal look, but remember, there's the character of the "swole" drummer with sleeveless shirt in a lot of bands.

  • @garethbennett-allen7260
    @garethbennett-allen7260 2 года назад +10

    The biggest influence that Mudvayne made was Ryan Martinies bass tone and technique

  • @thejon93rd
    @thejon93rd 2 года назад +15

    So happy I heard the L.D.50 album from Mudvayne before seeing their music video for "Dig". I don't think I would have bothered if I saw this video first. Their song for Saw II, "Forget to Remember", is pretty damn good. "Internal Primates Forever" is their best song IMO.

  • @s3lfFish
    @s3lfFish 5 месяцев назад +2

    you killed me with "this is some advance drip wizardry going on here, this man knows what he's doing"

  • @finnamory604
    @finnamory604 2 года назад +9

    “POD is a Christian band, there’s no whale tale in their videos!” LMFAO

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 2 года назад

      Unless it’s an actual whale breaching during the surf scenes

  • @kaydgaming
    @kaydgaming 2 года назад +45

    Deftones, Korn… honestly that’s about as good as it gets for S tier
    But I fucking looove Orgy

    • @Henry14arsenal2007
      @Henry14arsenal2007 2 года назад +1

      Have you heard of Cold?

    • @kushalbhattacharjee2252
      @kushalbhattacharjee2252 2 года назад +1

      He hates deftones

    • @DigitalBath306
      @DigitalBath306 2 года назад +2

      Deftones is by far the best "nu metal" band

    • @DigitalBath306
      @DigitalBath306 2 года назад +2

      @@kushalbhattacharjee2252 he hates the fans

    • @bovinleephann6210
      @bovinleephann6210 2 года назад +4

      Deftones is great but do they really count as a fully nu metal band? It's just Adrenaline, half of Around the Fur, and like one song off White Pony.

  • @bogabhaiunjoss9591
    @bogabhaiunjoss9591 2 года назад +20

    Finn,after watching your 'big four of metalcore' I was wondering if you'll do big four of nu metal as well.would be super stoked if you do this.

    • @RaviYadav-bj6mw
      @RaviYadav-bj6mw 2 года назад +6

      For nu metal it's obvious I think Linkin Park, Limp Bizkits, Korn and Slipknot

    • @toiletfarm
      @toiletfarm 2 года назад

      This needs to happen. His big four of pop punk video was unexpected but convincing, so I'm sure he would make this fun.

    • @bogabhaiunjoss9591
      @bogabhaiunjoss9591 2 года назад +2

      @@RaviYadav-bj6mw limp bizkit were big yes,but they were way too goofy to be a part of any top four.I will take Deftones in their place and bam,that's my big four of nu metal right there

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 года назад +8

      Metallica = Linkin Park (most successful and went the most mainstream later)
      Megadeth = Limp Bizkit (cuz Durst definitely has some of those douchey Mustaine vibes)
      Slayer = Slipknot (I think the reasons are obvious, Slayer was more brutal than most other thrash, and Slipknot was as heavy as nu metal got)
      Anthrax = Korn (early pioneersbecame forgettable in the middle stretch of their career then brought it back with the return of a key band member, and their team up with Skrillex is reminiscent of Anthrax's Bring the Noise crossover)

    • @TheCivildecay
      @TheCivildecay 2 года назад

      Korn, Deftones, Slipknot, linkin park

  • @TuringMachine001
    @TuringMachine001 Год назад +4

    0:00 Intro
    1:04 Korn
    5:06 Soulfly
    9:12 Orgy
    13:51 Coal Chamber
    16:53 Kittie
    20:11 P.O.D.
    23:17 Mudvayne

  • @withouttheaccent6871
    @withouttheaccent6871 Год назад +6

    Listening to Stitches by Orgy makes me feel like they were so ahead of it’s time. Could totally see Motionless in White or Bad Omens putting up something like this

  • @themadminuteman
    @themadminuteman 2 года назад +11

    I'm glad some dude on YT is helping me work through my late 90s to early 00s Nu Metal shame lol
    I still love the Deftones tho

  • @buzzzthrower555
    @buzzzthrower555 2 года назад +8

    Mudvayne puts on a hell of a show

  • @valvanzi5708
    @valvanzi5708 2 года назад +8

    I really like the clean parts !! It's really setting an amazing atmosphere when it's well done . Like in korn you can really feel jonathan's emotions and that's why it's interesting.

  • @mxwx51
    @mxwx51 2 года назад +7

    Best Coal Chamber song will always be "Big Truck" for me.

    • @scottlee7458
      @scottlee7458 2 года назад

      That's a good one. But I like Sway a little more

    • @coolmichael0000
      @coolmichael0000 2 года назад

      Tyler’s Song

    • @lordtrigon1733
      @lordtrigon1733 2 года назад

      Headstones and the Walking Dead for me, the riff is infectious and the lyrics are hilariously bitchy since the band was breaking up. 😂

  • @farkle
    @farkle 2 года назад +12

    As far as musicianship is concerned, Mudvayne is leaps and bounds better than all the bands in this list. Mudvayne was my gateway to progressive rock and their first 3 albums RIP

  • @nathanblackmon8672
    @nathanblackmon8672 2 года назад +11

    Sonny had my favorite voice in this group, didn’t matter they were Christian to me. Satellite had like 4 or 5 huge songs.

    • @David_Theisen
      @David_Theisen Год назад

      Check out their Awakening album!! But Murdered Love was just about as heavy as Snuff the Punk and Brown!!

  • @mxrocketbeats
    @mxrocketbeats Год назад +5

    Damn, Kittie held up better than i would have expected, those riffs are actually pretty good, better guitar tone than alot of other nu metal

  • @TheDefton87
    @TheDefton87 2 года назад +6

    Finn, I could definitely watch you for hours and hours talking about Nu Metal

  • @TheCivildecay
    @TheCivildecay 2 года назад +7

    7:22 Hell no! those clean parts are written to build tension for the mosh pit to explode as soon as the screaming parts starts and the band picks up again!

  • @charybdis__
    @charybdis__ 2 года назад +8

    Mudvayne was and is amazing. L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come were phenomenal. And pretty sure if you look at the lyrics to Cultivate, it will give some insight to their name.

  • @cvcammisano6sic6
    @cvcammisano6sic6 2 года назад +6

    Kitties second album "Oracle" was badass. Heavy as fuck, just the right amount of polish, and those broads can write and arrange songs like nobody's business. Won't say underrated as a band, but I feel a lot of people slept on that album

  • @trottingfoxinc
    @trottingfoxinc 2 года назад +2

    "Inside his backpack are the headphones for that Linkin Park guy" is a VERY underrated chat comment lmao

  • @FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat
    @FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat 2 года назад +5

    Most people wrote off Mudvayne because of their makeup. If people gave them a chance beyond their gimmicky look- they would have seen so much talent in that band. Orgy was an awesome band that was ahead of their time. They didn’t have nu metal drip- they were in their own futuristic lane. I loved that band’s first two albums.

  • @nu-punkrants1551
    @nu-punkrants1551 2 года назад +16

    Adema, korn, bizkit, static X and deftones are S tier.

    • @clothbooster
      @clothbooster 2 года назад +2

      Adema was never an influential or comercial successful band

    • @nu-punkrants1551
      @nu-punkrants1551 2 года назад

      @@clothbooster they are my personal favorite of the nu metal age. So, yeah, my opinion

    • @BigOwl51
      @BigOwl51 2 года назад

      😂😂😂 oh….you’re serious

  • @asuka_the_void_witch
    @asuka_the_void_witch 9 месяцев назад +2

    "leave out the cringy clean parts"
    Finn masterfully explaining that he doesn't understand nu metal

  • @joedragaux8695
    @joedragaux8695 2 года назад +5

    Try learning a few Mudvayne songs, Bass drums guitar or vocals. To me they’re the most technical and progressive out of all of these bands other than Slipknot. I was never into the face paint or anything but the songs are no joke.

  • @MISTERBABAD00K
    @MISTERBABAD00K 2 года назад +13

    Another all female Nu-Metal band was Jack Off Jill. Highly underrated.

    • @lukelyall5879
      @lukelyall5879 Год назад +2

      What about otep? The singer is female

    • @gmdone
      @gmdone 11 месяцев назад

      @@lukelyall5879 wow it´s been a while since I last listened to Otep , I remember it was very cool but also very cringy. I really liked when she stopped using effects on her voice in The Ascension, gotta check them again

    • @307cavalier5
      @307cavalier5 9 месяцев назад +1

      ...JOJs Agent Moulder ❤

  • @matthall6612
    @matthall6612 2 года назад +8

    I hated Nu Metal in high school. But the band that was certainly a part of that world that I have a soft spot for was Powerman 5000. They were kitsch and at least somewhat self aware. They were a jocks idea of what Devo was, but amusing. There were also some bands I felt were un-fairly associated with it (deftones, SOAD)

  • @eschalle89
    @eschalle89 2 года назад +7

    Only good thing that came out of being forced to go to youth group as a kid was my love of heavier music. POD, Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot . Quickly expanded to secular rock of course but those were definitely what got my foot in the door listening to a bunch the bands that I grew up loving.

  • @serrisdaylor1015
    @serrisdaylor1015 Год назад +1

    I've been looking for who made that cover of Blue Monday forever, thought it was nine inch nails but could never find it. For years, I only had the memory of the song's sound! Thanks, nu metal!

  • @nickdillinger
    @nickdillinger 2 года назад +8

    I laughed out loud a good 3 times during this video, especially during the ending. Holy Shit. More of this, Finn. I'm dying from the dunks and hot takes.

  • @pAWNproductionsDE
    @pAWNproductionsDE 2 года назад +4

    This was hilarious, especially the drip parts
    Although I'd have to say that the part about mudvayne having no stage presence tells me that you probably never saw them live

  • @s3lfFish
    @s3lfFish 5 месяцев назад +2

    Personal list from back in the day :
    S :
    Korn
    Deftones
    SOAD
    Slipknot
    Limp Bizkit
    Machine Head
    Sepultura
    Linkin Parl
    B :
    Mudvayne
    Kittie
    Coal Chamber
    Never got into POD or any of the other though

  • @muenchhausenmusic
    @muenchhausenmusic 2 года назад +5

    22:25 Man, I am a drum and guitar teacher, and I am SOOOO grateful.for Boom by POD! Super easy to play (drums if simplified, that is), fun and enjoyable, and man that video!!! I have yet to meet a single one of my students who doesn't like that song and video! Especially the 10-12 yo demographic really digs it. Thanks POD :D

  • @rl-ub9hx
    @rl-ub9hx 2 года назад +3

    Kittie for their age were way ahead of so many groups. Watched their documentary and thier producer spoke about how tight and well rehearsed they were.

    • @lukelyall5879
      @lukelyall5879 Год назад +1

      They were about the same age of the cast of that 70s show

  • @Elchonlster
    @Elchonlster 2 года назад +6

    It would be cool if he'd bring up snot because I think they're heavily underrated

  • @Monkeyman2808
    @Monkeyman2808 Год назад

    So Finn… after hearing your thoughts on the korn dubstep album, what are your thoughts on bands like youth code who combine electronic music with hardcore?

  • @michaeldeanda5944
    @michaeldeanda5944 2 года назад +1

    I feel like I’m sometimes considered the most “musically inclined” in my group but I grew up on this and I catch so much shit for liking this era haha. I remember 3rd grade, 5th graders were practicing teaching us stuff; my 5th-grade-mentor brought up the topic of bands we like and I said Orgy without much hesitation. Even in 3rd grade, seeing his reaction made me think “oh wow I’m kinda weird.” Love the content bro.

  • @GSR2step
    @GSR2step 2 года назад +3

    Kittie was HUGE at my middle school. A group of my friends played brackish at the talent show.

    • @leadme2thebliss21
      @leadme2thebliss21 2 года назад

      Do you live in Canada? They didn't get too big in America, however they were fairly successful during the early 2000s. I remember watching them live at Ozzfest, they weren't that bad live!

    • @GSR2step
      @GSR2step 2 года назад

      @@leadme2thebliss21 not Canada but Detroit

  • @groundead4lyfe
    @groundead4lyfe 2 года назад +5

    Korn, deftones, Linkin park S tier DONE

  • @AaryckE
    @AaryckE 2 года назад +2

    KoRn fashion is heavily influenced by Bakersfield. It's hard to explain, but when you see it, you'll know.

  • @QAZu009
    @QAZu009 2 года назад +2

    Do any of yall remember downloading that song "Prozac" off of Limewire cuz it was by Slipknot/Kittie/Soulfly/Mudvayne and it was actually by none of them lol

  • @wolfhawk1999
    @wolfhawk1999 2 года назад +4

    Mudvayne definitely inspired a TON of bassists. And I think you underestimate how big they got commercially, especially when they went more ButtRock. I'd say solid A Tier, but that's just me

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 2 года назад +2

      Minimum A Tier

    • @DJ-ts6oe
      @DJ-ts6oe 2 года назад +4

      mudvayne could be in the big 4 of nu metal at least honorable mention

  • @dylanmarken8429
    @dylanmarken8429 2 года назад +3

    As I've said for years.. Nu Metal needs a come back. As someone on another channel said. Everyone in rock nowadays is either to Pop or too Metal and everyone follows the same formula.
    There's a market that has dried up and is just waiting for some Nu Metal nourishment

  • @picklesl33t
    @picklesl33t 2 года назад

    Hey man New to the channel! Loving the content. Hope to hear your thoughts on Nothingface with all this Nu Metal talk. That’s a band from that era I always seem to come back to.

  • @almondex7831
    @almondex7831 Год назад +1

    the soulfly logo looks like that font that older Chinese restaurants like to use

  • @adrianmurillo8778
    @adrianmurillo8778 2 года назад +3

    Mudvayne played amazing shows when they first came out plus Iconic songs

  • @d1l4te43
    @d1l4te43 2 года назад +9

    Mudvayne's LD50 is one of the best albums ever, and live with the costumes made it even better. It's okay if you don't get it like a lot of us, but damn I think it's just awesome. It's a great way to show something visually interesting along with the great music. I seriously believe you should rethink your opinion on Mudvayne. Ryan Martinie is also one of the best bassists in the metal scene, super humble and nice guy too. Huge bass inspiration

  • @SethHMG
    @SethHMG 2 года назад +2

    This vid made me miss being an angry teen.
    For bingo: collaborations. Jumpdafuckup - Soulfly ft Corey Taylor. Headup - Deftones ft Max Cavalera. Wicked - Korn ft Chino. And so on.

  • @djj8750
    @djj8750 2 года назад +1

    In southern California we didn't even get kohls until 2003. Buying jeans (in the 90's) was Mervyn's, Miller's Outpost or Anchor Blue.

  • @sentanyl3399
    @sentanyl3399 2 года назад +8

    Umm, well, I'm surprised by how much I actually liked that last "newer" Kittie song.

    • @HalosOfLight
      @HalosOfLight 2 года назад +3

      Honestly every album after Spit is a legit metal album. Oracle still has a few nu-metal leanings, but is still great

    • @StayFreshMyFriends
      @StayFreshMyFriends 2 года назад

      My hardcore band is going to cover spit the song lol

  • @coreybycraft2223
    @coreybycraft2223 2 года назад +8

    Nu metal is better than black metal 💯

    • @Wolfiegreenwood
      @Wolfiegreenwood 2 года назад +4

      It's definitely less cringe.

    • @elafolger9173
      @elafolger9173 2 года назад +3

      based opinion

    • @nighthawk9532
      @nighthawk9532 2 года назад +3

      Can’t stand black metal lmao and thrash/metal elitists are the worst

    • @Wolfiegreenwood
      @Wolfiegreenwood 2 года назад +2

      @@nighthawk9532 I like both Black Metal and Thrash but they have WORST FAN BASES EVER.

  • @michaelbarrett2968
    @michaelbarrett2968 2 года назад +2

    Hard to mimic POD because of Sonny vocals - rest of the band was actually excellent musicians also. They definitely did not hold to nu metal conventions. They started in early 90s. Breathe Babylon is a very cool tune.

  • @T.Maximus
    @T.Maximus 2 года назад +2

    I was into the whole new metal scene at the age of 10 in 1998.. I remember hearing coal Chambers first record and being blown away and I still think it holds up for me.

  • @Servbot40
    @Servbot40 2 года назад +2

    Orgy's influence was inspiring bands to make their first hit a Cover to guarantee fleeting success.

  • @orkunsanal
    @orkunsanal 2 года назад +3

    Snot, Amen and One Minute Silence are very underrated! (I can also add old Skindred, Ill Nino and Ultraspank)

  • @garyhen1707
    @garyhen1707 2 года назад +1

    Pod's song alive dropped around the 9/11 attacks, and just took off, that chorus was perfect for healing from that.