Did Chief Wiggum Shoot Mr. Burns? - Dark Simpsons Mysteries

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  • Опубликовано: 5 янв 2025

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  • @coffeelover7687
    @coffeelover7687 Год назад +101

    I like how even after 28 years, we're still talking about this.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +19

      Because the real shooter was so unsatisfactory lol

    • @lesewing
      @lesewing 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@soursimpsonsYeah we all know it was the unibrow baby!

  • @brleise2942
    @brleise2942 Год назад +29

    Here is a mystery for you, How big is Springfield? Sometimes it is portrayed as a small town, other times it is shown to be a city big enough to have skyscrapers and a football team. How big is it really?

    • @scockery
      @scockery Год назад +1

      It has a Russian district.

    • @JediMasterBaiter
      @JediMasterBaiter Год назад +3

      Too small for a monorail but large enough for two area codes?

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +5

      Lol maybe in the future, but its so big, id rather concentrate on small sections... like where is moe's tavern in realtion to the simpson house? Small stuff like that

    • @tempestfennac9687
      @tempestfennac9687 Год назад +3

      @@soursimpsons That is a good question; I remember one episode where Home was able to still see his house after walking to Moe's, but that could be explained by the town being moved down the road thanks to Homer's time as sanitation commissioner (that could also provide a clue about Springfield's size being as the sanitation budget was $4.6 million per year).

  • @ohnostoltzman2496
    @ohnostoltzman2496 Год назад +36

    And TheRealJims thought that Marge shot Mr. Burns, eh.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +17

      Lol that guy is a genius! And very handsome.

  • @tuomosalo2029
    @tuomosalo2029 Год назад +34

    The first time Wiggum actually helps Springfield, and it's by attempted homicide.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      The hero we need!

    • @redjirachi1
      @redjirachi1 8 месяцев назад +1

      More evidence: Wiggum being surprisingly competent in this episode is kind of out of character. It could further distract people from the truth

    • @micahbush5397
      @micahbush5397 Месяц назад +1

      The true criminals in this case were the doctors who didn't let Mr. Burns die.

  • @masterfarr8265
    @masterfarr8265 Год назад +23

    🎵Bad cops bad cops🎵

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +6

      What do you expect for the money they make? Lol

    • @oldworldpatriot8920
      @oldworldpatriot8920 10 месяцев назад +2

      Whether in a car or on a bus,they don’t mind using excess force

  • @neetamoori8690
    @neetamoori8690 Год назад +12

    Oh no no no no, we aren't going down this rabbit hole again, Jims already went there and almost ended up insane

  • @SleepyLuigi
    @SleepyLuigi 11 месяцев назад +5

    Multiple times Homer has admitted to blaming “the baby” for the shooting.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes haha, possibly an idea for a future video!

  • @user-Natsu2001
    @user-Natsu2001 Год назад +21

    Who Shot Mr Burns is one of the best episodes of all time

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +6

      I wish they would do another big mystery 2 parter.

  • @oldworldpatriot8920
    @oldworldpatriot8920 10 месяцев назад +2

    I think it always gets forgotten about how much Chief Wiggum hated Homer after the Bee Sharps ouster,really explains the animosity between the two in later seasons

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  10 месяцев назад

      Yeah haha, he got the tear gas when the b sharps reunited on moes rooftop

  • @Taijifufu
    @Taijifufu Год назад +7

    This is much better than the old explanation that Mike Reiss wanted Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein to write a light hearted silly ending that ended up undercutting the entire thing.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Yeah that ending really annoys me...

  • @mad_derg4912
    @mad_derg4912 Год назад +3

    That is a compelling story, Mr Sour Simpsons. Let me just write that up on my invisible typewriter.....

  • @nakamaswarrior292
    @nakamaswarrior292 Год назад +9

    Isn't it strange how The Simpsons timeline works? For it to be logical, it would have to reset and move forward every year. So what we have been watching this whole time has been 33+ different timelines. Even more if we count Treehouse of Horrors. How many times lines and universes exist? That's a Dark Simpsons mystery to solve!

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +2

      Haha, i have an idea in the books, how many birthday parties can bart and lisa have and still remain the same age?! Lol

  • @upumpkin
    @upumpkin Год назад +2

    I love when people make alternate versions of this two parter

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      I love when you watch my videos! Thank you.

  • @kiartoons2010
    @kiartoons2010 Год назад +2

    The fact that this genuinely made more sense than Maggie accidentally firing at Mr. Burns is insane

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 Год назад +15

    in my view the shot was too professional to be done by Chief Wiggum I believe the crime was done by Clancy's brother that went to military school.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +2

      Haha but he survived, chief wiggum is bad enough to shoot an old man and not kill him 🤣

  • @5r248
    @5r248 Год назад +2

    Troy McClure: “It was the baby.”……..*cough*

  • @InvertedWIng
    @InvertedWIng 11 месяцев назад +2

    Wiggum even tacitly admitted to it. He said he would "give it a shot" when asked to solve the crime by Hibbert. Because of course he would. He already had!

  • @YourPalAlRetroGamer
    @YourPalAlRetroGamer Год назад +14

    Dark Simpsons Death Count:
    Dark Simpsons 1 ⬆

  • @BlackCover95
    @BlackCover95 Год назад +4

    3:41 Graggle

  • @nicholassims9837
    @nicholassims9837 Год назад +14

    Show this to realjims

  • @orkutfinance
    @orkutfinance Год назад +2

    It's funny how this is the first and last time. Chief Wiggum ever showed competence at his job.

  • @My_Legs_Hurt
    @My_Legs_Hurt Год назад +4

    "That's right, Mr Burns was actually shot....by Chief Wiggum"
    *cue Simpsons Mysteries intro

    • @Leopoldshark
      @Leopoldshark Год назад +2

      "That's right. Mr. Burns was actually shot by...Handsome Pete."
      *cue Sailor's Hornpipe*

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      It all finally makes sense!

  • @Killermike2178
    @Killermike2178 Год назад +1

    It's beyond time for you and TheRealJims to do a collab on one of these...

  • @Spawn3X5
    @Spawn3X5 Год назад +2

    I would think the impact of the shot would only leave dust in mr burns case

  • @alender6200
    @alender6200 Год назад +3

    im still waiting for a "murder on the orient express" twist that all of springfield shot mr burns

  • @garganrose
    @garganrose 5 месяцев назад +1

    3:17 you know it’s funny when it comes to fingerprints on evidence they always talk about how the suspects fingerprints were found on a piece of evidence, but they never discussed the position of the fingerprints.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  5 месяцев назад +1

      Can't trust the springfield police lol

  • @lhfirex
    @lhfirex Год назад +2

    Well, now that the case is wrapped up, who's going to bake him away, toys? Lou? Probably not, he'll get busted back down to sergeant so quick it'll make his head spin.

  • @jolo8224
    @jolo8224 Год назад +3

    I love how you ultilize your editing style from dark simpsons for the dramatizations

  • @ninjaguyYT
    @ninjaguyYT 8 месяцев назад +2

    I saw the episode when I was a kid. It wasn't him. It was Maggie.

  • @Leopoldshark
    @Leopoldshark Год назад +2

    We finally got him. Bake him away, toys.

  • @kremvaxmecleans.
    @kremvaxmecleans. Месяц назад +1

    Future Dark Simpsons possi - Maggie in the Ashley role in a crossover parody of "Sinister" ("Don't worry, Daddy. I'll make it Magaggie's birthday").

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  23 дня назад

      I've never seen Sinister lol, not a fan of horror movies

  • @Bobsikus
    @Bobsikus Год назад +3

    you forgot about DNA test for "simpsons genes", but yes, forgable

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Haha, wiggum couldve planted that eyelash

  • @franky.378
    @franky.378 Год назад +8

    Sarah wiggum 😂

  • @scockery
    @scockery Год назад +3

    Yeah, Burns awoke and looked at Wiggum first!

  • @Reviewer2016
    @Reviewer2016 Год назад +10

    It took me a second viewing to get the hostage situation but that does make sense?
    Nicely ambiguous
    I mean Wiggum may take bribes but the idea he was doing it to get rid of a corrupt business man bleeding the town actually makes it pretty gray.

    • @FestusOmega
      @FestusOmega Год назад +5

      Can't wait for the sequel about who bribed Wiggum to shoot Burns.

    • @Reviewer2016
      @Reviewer2016 Год назад

      @@FestusOmega it’s obvious
      It was a conspiracy.
      The whole town pooled their money to bribe Wiggums to shoot Burns. That way if charges are pressed Wiggums won’t get in much trouble and if everyone is in on it Burns would lose either way. (In a way he’s trapped. Can’t press charges if everyone is in on it right?)

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 Год назад +5

    TheRealJims: What have I done?!
    Sour Simpsons: You're fulfilling your destiny. Henceforth you shall be known as Darth Tinfoil
    Mat Pat: But I thought I was Darth Tinfoil
    Sour Simpsons: You lost your chance when you didn't make another Simpsons theory!

  • @thedrizzle619
    @thedrizzle619 Год назад +4

    he literally said ill give it a shot lol

  • @MegaHoro
    @MegaHoro Год назад +1

    It all makes sense now
    Unrelatedly, Jimbo's going to have to go home and change

  • @patu8010
    @patu8010 Год назад +2

    So did Mr. Burns assume Sarah and Clancy were in it together?

  • @Tommy-mh3jd
    @Tommy-mh3jd Месяц назад +2

    Maggies hands are not big enough to reach the grip and trigger. the shooter was not Maggie the real shooter was someone who could hold and fire a gun and notice how quick Chief Wiggum was there after mr bruns got shot and Chief Wiggum quickly says its a Mask and grabs mr burns face Chief Wiggum was playing dumb to fool everyone then Dr. Hibbert says i couldn't possible solve this mystery can you pointing at Chief Wiggum and Chief Wiggum say with a Yeah, I'll give it a shot. I mean, you know, it's my job, right? notice how nervous he sounds then looks around

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Месяц назад +1

      It was obviously chief wiggum!

  • @Hopsonn
    @Hopsonn Год назад +1

    Lmao what's with the yellow dude on the last at 3:42 💀💀

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      It's graggle!

    • @Hopsonn
      @Hopsonn Год назад

      @@soursimpsons You have sent me on a rabbit hole learning about Graggle Simpson now 😁

  • @jtzor5922
    @jtzor5922 Год назад +2

    I never really liked the baby ending, mainly because they set up Smithers as the culprit when it first initially aired. The reason why though I get after so many years later is because the winner never came forward for the Maggie Simpson win. This story seems more plausible than a baby shot.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Yeah i dont think anyone is satisfied with the baby conclusion. Makes the whole mystery irrelevant.

  • @SilverEye91
    @SilverEye91 Год назад +3

    But did no one suspect Super Nintendo Chalmers?

  • @ranchosdelnorte
    @ranchosdelnorte Год назад +1

    I would have guessed it was Rex Banner setting Homer up, finally getting revenge on the beer baron. Unfortunately he came a season after the shooting.
    So instead I'm going to suspect that one eyed, trigger happy coot, Mat Groening.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Haha i would love to see rex banner return for revenge! It would make a great movie villain!

  • @Its_Charlie_Young
    @Its_Charlie_Young Год назад +1

    It was Santa's Little Helper. Eddache even said so in his video.

  • @mingkunli3411
    @mingkunli3411 3 месяца назад +1

    Why didn’t Mr. Burns use his influence to make Chief Wiggum’s life hell later?

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  3 месяца назад

      Haha, the same reason Mr burns didnt do it to maggie

  • @coffeelover7687
    @coffeelover7687 Год назад +3

    How did Sour Simpsons escape that barrage of bullets?

    • @Scantronimus466
      @Scantronimus466 Год назад +8

      He was rescued by, oh, let’s say…Moe.

    • @coffeelover7687
      @coffeelover7687 Год назад +1

      @@Scantronimus466 Of course it all adds up.

    • @JediMasterBaiter
      @JediMasterBaiter Год назад +1

      Wiggum is a terrible shot, but the other two?

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      It wasnt him... it was his evil twin!

  • @rozinanavarro8735
    @rozinanavarro8735 2 месяца назад +2

    They are they lost character in the background and 3:42

  • @FirearmofMutiny
    @FirearmofMutiny Год назад +1

    Wiggum was definitely who I thought it would be that entire summer

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      It's still a better answer than Maggie lol

  • @dutchlinde3574
    @dutchlinde3574 Год назад +3

    The police would never kill one of the 1%

  • @DonVigaDeFierro
    @DonVigaDeFierro Год назад +3

    Wew, very good reasons indeed.
    I was thinking, if you haven't had it suggested yet, you should look onto Skinner's time in Vietnam. You know, make some sense of the timeline of events, and see if the crazy conspiracy that Skinner ain't Skinner holds some water.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Interesting lol, i can only think of 2 or 3 Vietnam flashbacks.

  • @danielgehring7437
    @danielgehring7437 Год назад +3

    I still say it was Marge. She's shown herself to be much smarter and more dedicated than the rest of the town, so tricking those rubes into a series of false clues would have been easy.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Lol i nelieve the real jims did a great video on that.

  • @MrVariant
    @MrVariant Год назад +5

    New takes are cool lol Sarah Wiggum

  • @Ospyro3em
    @Ospyro3em Год назад +3

    Of course- the signs were all there!

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Bake em away toys

    • @Ospyro3em
      @Ospyro3em Год назад

      @@soursimpsons........... do what the kid said

  • @lukacunningham342
    @lukacunningham342 Год назад +1

    It would make sense, the episode was an Agatha Christie parody after all, it would feel very Christie-ish for the detective to be the culprit

  • @Sleepdriver1984
    @Sleepdriver1984 Год назад +1

    Brilliant! I have now certainly the idea of what went on 😃

  • @TheGroundedAviator
    @TheGroundedAviator Год назад +2

    And since he made it clear you can't convict a baby (he has standards), it was all done and dusted.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Lol... maybe in texas

    • @TheGroundedAviator
      @TheGroundedAviator Год назад

      @@soursimpsons Well, fortunately they're not, even he wouldn't want that!

  • @hashimmahamerul8857
    @hashimmahamerul8857 Год назад +1

    Chief Wiggum Always the best. No matter how he lazy. He at least serve and protect

  • @JoLiKMC
    @JoLiKMC Год назад +1

    Hey, wait. Didn't someone else accuse Homer of this not too long ago? Though, I guess either one is as plausible as the other. Whereas it's almost impossible for Waylan Smithers to have shot Mr. Burns. Right? _Right…?_

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Lol, the real jims did a whole series on it. I recommend checking it out.

  • @ZacCarpenter
    @ZacCarpenter Год назад +3

    Wiggum

  • @miloseviczarko45
    @miloseviczarko45 Год назад +4

    Wiggum is such a jerk. Not to metion that he encouraged Bart Simpson to commit suicide.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Haha, that's the chief of police for you.

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport Год назад +1

    That sounds.. plausible.
    House party!!!!

  • @machoman1016
    @machoman1016 Год назад +2

    Are you sure you're not TheRealJims?

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      I wish, that guy is a god among men.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      I wish, that guy is a god among men.

    • @machoman1016
      @machoman1016 Год назад +1

      @@soursimpsons what about TheFakeJims?

  • @darthkhan29x98
    @darthkhan29x98 Год назад +1

    04:50
    Are you going to be okay?

  • @WildDiamond07
    @WildDiamond07 Год назад +1

    3:40 I think I found who really shot Mr. Burns! XD

  • @graduator14
    @graduator14 Год назад +1

    RIP Dark Simpsons. Hope you'll come back as a zombie for the Treehouse of Horror!

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      I'm still there, just less frequently. I post monthly.

    • @graduator14
      @graduator14 Год назад

      @@soursimpsons I was kidding. :p 4:46

  • @dcspidey1218
    @dcspidey1218 Год назад +1

    Heres a good mystery how come the citizens of Springfield never age

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Lol, its already in my ideas notebook!

  • @adamdenby1282
    @adamdenby1282 Год назад +1

    What happened to grandpa tattoo I think when he hug Bart for the frtime he did the Bart man all night long than hade tattoo removed soo no one would believe Bart can you look into to this?.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Was it just hidden in his wrinkly folded skin? Lol

  • @trickymander
    @trickymander Год назад +1

    Wait wait objection what does the sun dial have to do with anything you know Chieff wiggums first name was Clancey right?

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      He dressed up as his wife Sarah Wiggum. SW.

  • @cantfindclips
    @cantfindclips Год назад +1

    Well, I’m convinced.

  • @Maravillante
    @Maravillante 11 месяцев назад +1

    I thought it was Homer and he just blame it on Magaggie

  • @Mansa-of-Gaming
    @Mansa-of-Gaming Год назад +1

    You should not have confront Wiggum to his face. Find someone who has higher authority.

  • @technerdgaming9259
    @technerdgaming9259 Год назад +1

    Is Smithers REALLY Smithers? Small detail I know but in season 3 episode 10 Smithers is getting stung by bees but is having no allergic reaction but in another episode he's on a bike with Mr Burns and clearly states he has a bee in his eye and is allergic to them so is he the real Smithers or is he a clone? I'm just throwing things out there LOL

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Haha, i plan on doing a smithers bee allergy video in the future, so long as i can find more evidence on it

  • @stalhein62
    @stalhein62 Год назад +2

    Quis custodiet ipsos pinguis?
    The Latin isn't perfect but it's as good as I can do on a Friday.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Haha, my latin is non existant

    • @stalhein62
      @stalhein62 Год назад

      @@soursimpsons Well, the original phrase translates to who guards the guards themselves, or the more commonly seen translation who watches the watchmen. I just changed custodes/guards to probably the wrong word for fat.

  • @Hack_Man_VII
    @Hack_Man_VII Год назад +2

    This makes too much sense!

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Haha i didnt expect to be this convincing!

  • @Scantronimus466
    @Scantronimus466 Год назад +3

    Springfield cops are on the take
    But what do you expect for the money they make?

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wiggum Forever Barney Never

  • @rickydiscord7671
    @rickydiscord7671 Год назад +1

    then again. ANYONE would've try to kill Burns. so maybe there a few people at the area at the time and one person shoot him. so a few people run away and the one was holding the gun just throw it in the car because he/she could've think where to hide the gun and run out of there. and shock can mess up your memory if the shock was strong enough and burns don't have great memory. so how can we know that he actually did try to steal candy from a baby was actually true or not? the ep is a mystery for a reason.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      Maybe it was a collective decision made by the entire town?!

  • @thatcomicandmangafanfromdublin
    @thatcomicandmangafanfromdublin 8 месяцев назад +2

    I Still think it’s graggle

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  8 месяцев назад +1

      There's a lot of evidence supporting that theory

  • @zachattack5742
    @zachattack5742 Год назад +1

    Or was it Lord Palmerston?

  • @BoyOHBoy123
    @BoyOHBoy123 Год назад +4

    graggle 3:41

  • @SpongeBobSquarePants785
    @SpongeBobSquarePants785 Год назад +3

    Who knew

  • @lukacunningham342
    @lukacunningham342 Год назад +1

    Wait, Wiggum shot Mr Burns? I always thought Marge did

  • @ginafesta9340
    @ginafesta9340 Год назад +1

    How about this mystery, Is Selma truly Marge biology mother?

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 11 месяцев назад +1

    The Be Sharps

  • @kaisershipyards
    @kaisershipyards Год назад +1

    Seems legit to me :) Heres one whats a in universe Explanation for why Homer and Krusty look so much alike despite Krusty being luch older than Homer. I always assumed there cousins but don't know it like maybe Homer's Mom had a older Sister that married Krusty's Dad

  • @mingkunli3411
    @mingkunli3411 3 месяца назад +1

    Quick, get some actually competent cops!!!!!! We've got one of the biggest corruption cases ever on our hands!!!!!

  • @AGHathaway
    @AGHathaway 2 месяца назад +1

    The motives are really weak for Chief.

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  2 месяца назад

      No worse than burns not remembering homer's name 😂

  • @Ezekial2517
    @Ezekial2517 Год назад +1

    Awesome video, but of course for that theory to work, you’d have to ignore all of that Simpson DNA evidence.
    … and that would be downright nutty.

  • @crocve
    @crocve Год назад +4

    Mona Simpson is my top suspect. Of all people and of all Simpson family members, she is the one who held the biggest grudge against Mr. Burns, since she basically had to leave her own family for the rest of her life to go on the run because of her activism against Mr. Burns´ biological warfare laboratory. She appears to Homer for the 1st time in decades in the exact same season - Season 7 - as "Who Shot Mr. Burns - Part 2". Coincidence? I don´t think so...

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      I like this one. If i make another who shot mr burns video, it'll be based on her.

    • @hucklebucklin
      @hucklebucklin 11 месяцев назад

      Also perhaps that why Homer's/Maggie's DNA showed a match (if the dna is to be believed)

  • @Juansolous
    @Juansolous Год назад +3

    Makes sense to me and I also like the ending.

  • @3L_B4R7O
    @3L_B4R7O Год назад +1

    Nice

  • @MTGNissaRevane9
    @MTGNissaRevane9 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm learnding haha

  • @beniciajoiner2034
    @beniciajoiner2034 Год назад +1

    What ever you do sour simpson , don’t let the bullies or chief wiggums to stop doing videos about the entire Simpsons universe and give it a low rating , like a certain person did when he went traveling. 😁😇😊💕❤️

  • @greensky01
    @greensky01 Год назад +1

    What a stretch lol

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад +1

      Lol, its still better than maggie being the shooter.

  • @NickNackItaliano777
    @NickNackItaliano777 Год назад +1

    Didn’t Homer claim that he framed Maggie for the shooting? Or maybe Wiggum framed Homer as you said, then in a moment of panic, Homer framed Maggie in turn

  • @kevinm1868
    @kevinm1868 Год назад +1

    Boring 😴 we need more about Dark Simpson channel

    • @soursimpsons
      @soursimpsons  Год назад

      That's okay, not for everyone. I still post monthly over there. Stay tuned!

  • @oldworldpatriot8920
    @oldworldpatriot8920 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think it always gets forgotten about how much Chief Wiggum hated Homer after the Bee Sharps ouster,really explains the animosity between the two in later seasons