Refreeze the Artic: BUSTED!!
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Not just any icebergs, but smart interlocking solar hexagonal icebergs
HEXAGONAL FREAKING ICE CUBES!!!!
SOLAR
FREAKIN
ICE CAPS
Hexagons are the bestagons.
Smart interlocking solar hexagonal iceberg BABIES! What could be more appealing?
HyperCubes!
What this system really needs is a hyperloop connecting the ice babies to each other so people can travel between them in cool private pods.
If I recall correctly, Musk is expert on this topic.
@@pcdispatch lol
@@pcdispatch Man, you people are all sorts of ate up. Even on the rare Thunderfoot videos that don't involve Musk, you all yap about Musk. lawl.
@@XShadowAngelisn't that guy joking?
@@XShadowAngel found elon musks alt account
What else would one expect from an architect? They make pretty (usually unrealistic) pictures and then engineers have to try and figure out how to make that work 😆
@bonglee66this comment made no sense
@bonglee66 as an engineer, I love being the bottom
@@LaSombraa most architectural/civil drawings are in plan view so they look at everything from the top. Mechanical engineers look at things most often from the front and side 🙂
“No! You can’t make a skyscraper out of dried pasta!”
“And here’s the boiling water infinity pool!”
“Stop! You’ll kill everyone!”
@@LaSombraa I think it's a joke about the architect / team being Indonesian.
Isn't there also going to be a problem with the ice expanding in the confined hexagonal space and getting either stuck or breaking the submarine?
Presumably the walls are narrower at the bottom so the expansion forces push the ice upwards which also helps force more water to flow in from the bottom.
yea, the hexagonal shape is too cuby and this is risky as it is suposed to be a submarine that can submerge thus a leak could make it sink as it doesnt have a lot of extra floating power
we can only hope for catastrophe
I mean there are solutions for that. Such as having simi inflated walls on the ice or a draft angle. This all said just because it isn't the biggest issue of the project doesn't mean there aren't huge issues
I don't see any problem with that at all. After all, even if supercars might require some expensive maintenance, you can rest assured that the Lambo you won from that guy on snapchat will _never_ break down.
Pretty sure Futuramas idea of just cutting off giant ice cubes from comets and dropping in the ocean would legitimately be more viable.
Because it is. Well it will rise sea level and humidity A LOT during work, but hey, at least we wont generating any extra heat on earth per every kilo of ice made.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Not if we use the same spaceships to pick up warm water from the equator and catapult (because trebuche doesnt work in space) that water into the sun.
@@Bradley_UA B.. b. but... the fish? Maybe pickup hot desert sand, and some camels instead? And drop the comets just in the atmosphere like one big huge ice mountain, plop, everyone is gone.... Maybe we need a giant plastic straw to the moon, then future space people there will have water... and camels....
You guys have it all wrong. The best approach is to drop the comets into the sun! Cooling it down and reducing the heat on planet Earth.
The only trick is that you have to make sure not to drop too many comets into the sun, and risk putting it out!
@@bastiaan7777777 You say giant straw to the moon and eureka! We use said straw in the hottest part of the ocean, we will have to pump the water up the straw initially. Then it will freely flow to the moon like a gasoline siphon or pressure in a juicebox. Lowering our sea level in the meantime. Once it all freezes we can just launch it back quite cheaply with the moons low gravity. We could use said straw to get equipment up there too if we just put it in the water.
The thing that immediately struck me was the phrase, "...and filtering out the salt" like removing salt from water is some quick, efficient process that requires no energy. This machine was clearly designed by the kind of person who says things like, "Why don't we just take water from the ocean, get rid of the salt, and use it to irrigate all our deserts?" as a way to reverse desertification and create functionally unlimited farmland.
You get a funnel and some filter paper and boom! Separated. 👩🔬
Well. Salt grains are pretty big. Why not just sift them out? Someone should run that by elon. He could work on that project alongside hyperloop. His Optipus robots would be perfect for the task of sifting out salt from water.
That's perfectly feasible in the magical land of infinite energy that these people seem to live in.
The hilarious bit is if you freeze salt water the salt gets pushed out of the ice anyway. They should ship the (now freshwater) ice back to the desert, use solar power to melt it and create farmlands. I am a genius.
That is no issue at all for the small fusion reactor which powers the sub :D
reminds me of something ive always thought about that ive rarely seen talked about in theory videos is that when a charachter has magical ice abilities, if they respect thermodynamics, the heat has to go somewhere so for every time a person is flash frozen in an instant there should be a proportional massive fireball created by all that heat energy being forced out of them
which would honestly be the sickest thing ever, imagine a wizard waves their hand and one guy gets frozen solid but everyone around them bursts into flames. that would be so cool to see
That is a cool image
That was hilarious !
Eyup, as someone who's gotten into story stuff and come up with an ice drake, it felt only natural to make it to where using the stereotypical elemental ice breath would actually heat the body up as a result. Seems perfectly realistic if all the heat gets sucked out of the air in the lungs and into the body (hence the air they exhale being so icy). Only challenge is figuring out how one's body can resist rapid temperature shifts, or such extreme temps for that matter (which I still have yet to figure out tbh, but something's at least better than nothing).
@@norrecvizharan1177 Perhaps it's ectothermic and relies on said heat intake to keep its internal body temperature stable? It could use its ice breath constantly to some extent to keep itself warm while having enough wiggle room in its internal temperature to use it offensively as well. To boot, if it does start to overheat, its wings could act like radiators, to say nothing of the air cooling flight through artic air brings.
Whether or not it relies on it, I can definitely imagine it being the perfect explanation for a being to exist in a frozen environment, as being able to draw in heat from the air is bound to make it a more comfortable experience (if kinda way colder for everyone else involved). Though man, I hadn't thought of the radiating wings aspect before, that's a brilliant idea there.@@pretzelbomb6105
I love how they go straight to solar while real submarines can sail for months in the darkest depths of the ocean. Until the crew runs out of food basically. (nuclear reactors are pretty effective it turns out)
It's because they are appealing to the crowd that thinks solar= environmentally sustainable.
@@Paul_Bedford Thing is Arctic waters are dark if you go submerged, thesib gonna get less energy doing that so the only way to get solar energy in that region is stay on land most of the time
Leftist morons who fall for these scams hate nuclear power. Fision reactors put out a lot of heat which would make this concept of a giant "ice machine" even more flawed.
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad sometimes the solar energy doesnt even exist for months
@@ordinaryfellow9093 Since the entire arctic ocean is above the arctic circle, basically 5 or so months of every year = No Sun and 5 months of the year = Always sun (But low on the horizon, not providing a lot of heat)
These people could do a lot more good if they shared their magical desalination techniques with us.
Imagine if we had a giant BS filter, if we ran it over the earth probably 10% of everything would disappear.
Freezing water desalinates naturally. Take sea water and allow part of it to freeze, the ice will have less concentration of salt.
@@hugegamer5988 10% is a bit optimistic, it would likely be closer to 40% overall... 90% in DC
@@timeshark8727 you’re right, I put odor eater in my bros shoes and he straight up disappeared.
So if it had 100% free desalting, it didnt take any energy to get there or for the people to live on it and operate it! And 100% energy was conserved you break even! LOL
Anyone who worked on this and has a relevant degree, it should be taken by the "university"
Im going to make a company that magically makes icebergs and float it on the exchange!
Whenever I see an industrial machine rendered as a sleek futuristic looking device, I automatically assume it's vaporware
And you are correct 99,99 % of the time. However in the remaining 0.01 % of the cases you are extremely correct.
Dahir Insaat
@@godfreyofbouillon966The 0.01% being, smartphones, cars and.. ACTUAL refrigerators
@@astar1147 I would not call those things industrial machines.
like that team seas thing that mark rober and Mr breast got shiny photos with.
i mean I hope thunderfoot does a video on that, its so frickin useless, ineffective and a waste of money and resources. only way u can make the seas better is to teach people not to throw garbage into the beach and the sea they're living next to and to bully the big corporations into not polluting the seas.
i did the math and whatever they did in 1-2 years, collecting the garbage and removing all of it from the sea..well guess what, big companies dump that much garbage into the seas within 24 hours, rendering the project completely useless 🤦♂
I love the idea of them going through with this idea then just rapidly melting the remaining arctic sea ice with all the heat generated making new ice.
do u really expect a bullshit-ing connoisseur tech bro to understand very very basic thermodynamics? that if u want to freeze something u are removing the heat from that and this heat ur pulling has to go SOMEWHERE, that's the reason why refrigerators are so warm from the outside, but again, its out fault to assume our techbros take anything that simple into account 😭
It was a design contest so nothing technical there
Would it really? The heat going into atmosphere is not going to melt the ice directly, it would be distributed. On small scale it is not going to have any effect at all. Also, what is solar power used for? Is it used as a refregirator power source? Or just as support? Having cold air in abundance makes cooling much easier. It is below freezing point of water. So i am not sure that this youtuber hot it right. Sure there is some bs, but the idea is not refuted so easily.
Refreeze the artic is the same level of problem solving as when Patrick went "Why don't we just take bikini bottom...and push it somewhere else!!!"
problem with that, is that.. actually.. worked...
as a pretty stupid engineer myself, i keep being left speechless how people can pump out these ideas, win awards and get mentions in the news and even "science oriented news", without anyone who paid 5min attention at high school physics going "wait a minute"
It would be several orders of magnitude better to just use white foam for the light reflection and simply spray layers of ice on top of that. It's still a stupid idea for a number of reasons, but it's less stupid than this one.
A fool and his $$ are soon parted. Snake oil salesmen figured that out long ago. There is a sucker born every minute as they say.
The validity of the idea doesn't matter in this woke culture of imbeciles.
All that matters for an idea to be lauded as "revolutionary" is the demographic of the moron that dreamt it up.
Spot on
why would anyone pay attention in high school? the guys all bully the same nerd into doing their homework, and the chicks just suck off the teachers to get As
Amazing, the man has lived 29 years without ever touching the back or sides of a freezer!
No, he probably has. Then thought to himself that the freezer is much colder than the sides or back of the fridge. And, the sides of the fridge have less surface area than the freezer has volume. This is brilliant.
And yes I do mean to compare area to volume, because that is i'm betting exactly what happened.
He probably opens the fridge to cool his room.
At work we have a drive in fridge that runs at 1.5°C, Above it is a mezzanine where the compressors are, It regularly hits 55°C in summer.
…or a woman.
Was he proposing to freeze the water, or just desalinate it to raise the freezing point?
according to my engineering professors "Interesting engineering Idea" is basically something that is interesting to think through, even though you know from the onset that the Idea will not be viable for whatever reason. And yes, a giant water desalination and freezing plant is indeed interesting to think through because there are some major problems that need solving. But once you are finished and have a final design, that is where the value of the idea ends.
Plus, if you find a way to efficiently desalinate the water your time will be taken up by counting the truckloads of money you make from that technology alone.
Yeah, can't blame the professor cited in the interview for his choice of words. He obviously knew if he had shat on the idea as it deserves and had not extremely sugarcoated his words, he wouldn't have been cited at all. "Interesting engineering Idea" is a very diplomatic way of saying "absolute bs".
desalinization of water is readily availably. Its just not a profitable business and not urgent enough to be a charity.
An architect's dream is an engineer's nightmare
This is a small concern compared to the project thermodynamically shooting itself in the foot, but I can't imagine those solar panels would be too pleased about being repeatedly submerged in seawater either lol.
Take it from someone who does a lot of fishing in Norway, very few things enjoy being repeatedly submerged in seawater. Even the stuff designed to do it doesn't like it.
@@jakobrosenqvist4691 especially when said submersion happens in freezing temperatures with strong winds...
i have seen hardened steel crack like its a twig and reinforced glass pop out of its frame just from the harsh temperature differential such a climate can cause
@@KT-pv3kl yeah the Arctic Ocean is pretty unfriendly in general.
I think the common snow would also criple this device. With the size of that thing geting rid off the snow requires much labour. But since this is so energy ineficient and will dump heat waste into the suranding then might as well use it to unsnow/defreze the solar panels :D BTW i was wondering what they will do with the salt from desaltination process. Hope they will not dump it into the sea.
@@i20918 I dont even know how to do the math but it sounds like a horrible idea.
hearing "filter out the salt* already has me laughing
haha I've literally paused it at this exact point to scroll the comments :D
yeah if it was just so easy to filter out the salt, any place near the sea would never have a water problem
Actually, you can filter the salts out by reverse osmosis. However that adds to the costs, needs pumps and specialized filters. Those filters and pumps do require maintenance and or replacement over time.
@@kleinjahr especially that's why i laughed. because it's not easy to filter out salt from saltwater and creates more cost
@@kleinjahrPlus it would surely warm up the water a bit, which is the entire problem to begin with.
Kind of like trying to cool your house by opening the freezer door and leaving it open. Genius!
It's amazing the kind of bullshit these techbro scammers are able to actually peddle to people, and even major broadcasters.
i 100% blame the AI boom. before that, people with stupid ideas that didn’t know how to put them to paper were stuck keeping their idiocy to themselves.
NOW, though, you can go ask chatGPT to write you a thesis or midjourney to render up some mockups and suddenly they’re the “ideas guy” for a company that only exists in their narcissistic head.
@@milesmccollough5507 yeah no these idea's have been around forever, been living under a rock a few decades maybe?
@@milesmccollough5507 these have been around for a while (i remember seeing this ages ago) but itll probably get worse
@@milesmccollough5507 dumb stuff like this has been around a lot, if anything they just get more attention because news companies are starting to have to publish something other than ragebait articles, so now they just churn out something on whatever somewhat futuristic sounding contraption they can find, and it's usually not much more than a couple 10 second blender animations that some college student threw together at 2 in the morning for a presentation and forgot about
@@milesmccollough5507 yeah no, if u knew how AI worked idts u would've said that.
how do u think chat gpt comes up with stuff? its something that works on existing stuff that's the reason ai cant replace humans because it can only recycle information, it cant produce its own. so any help with anything bullshitty u need was probably done before.
and its def not the AI boom, this generative AI boom has started from 2016-17 and ppl have been making up bs projects way before that and they will continue to con ppl way after that :)
I love how they just took a 3D printed benchy, cut it in half, then threw a hexagon hole in it and said "TACHNALOGY!"
"Designed"
So glad I'm not the only one who saw the benchy!
It was an architecture student making a video submission for a “radical concepts” student contest. Thunderf00t is being disingenuous when he pretends like it was a serious proposal. But hey, whatever gets ya RUclips views.
he is grifting on the people taking that students work, and making it into a youtube video about how it saaaaave the world.@@truejim
@@clydecraft5642 Look at all these comments to the video though: people calling the guy a scammer, saying he should never be given a degree, his university should be defunded, etc. All the guy did was enter a contest. If a uni professor (Thunderf00t) is going to keep making videos that mock student contest entries (which is itself kinda weird) he could spend a little more in the video explaining that this was never intended as a serious proposal, nobody here was looking for investors or trying to scam anybody.
This idea makes as much sense as saying the solution to global warming is for everyone to just leave their fridge doors open.
That sounds like a great idea! Why don't we do that?
Joke's on you because my fridge shuts off if you leave the door open for too long.
Which means your fridge has more intelligence than some people
@@YDV669 I guess some people just don't care about fixing global warming, sigh.
technically it makes a bit more sense, because the ice will reflect sunlight. But that's about it.
This is like cooling the house with a fridge.
Did they also forget the fact that once they drop the ice cube into the ocean, it's just going to start melting again like the ice that was there before it? Just because they can drop a couple chunks of ice into the ocean won't mean the ocean can magically keep it frozen.
Just put a big aircon unit there and chill the area, or a large freezer and leave the door open 😂 Maybe my idea will get picked up by Forbes too.
or put some heat sinks in the ocean
Now you're thinking, welcome to the team
Drop a giant ice cube in the ocean every once and a while, problem solved
and we could use solar energy to power the freezer
@@Broggi93 Next up in the "solar [dumb💩]" saga: solar freezers floating on artificial icebergs
So many of these debunk videos seem to have a lot in common. A 20 something, in a design competition, planet saving stuff. I swear it's every time.
Yah, this channel has devolved to a curmudgeon mocking student design contests. I’m looking forward to Thunderf00t tackling high school science fairs next.
I think its because of how attractive the "young entrepreneur with radical ideas" narrative is. People buy into it because they think they've found the next genius and don't want the reality of how difficult these problems are to solve
It provides the people with a false representation of intelligence, and provides a fantasy that they too could be the next "genius." Carnival head games. Plant a scrawny looking stooge who almost wins the skill game in front of the tough guys in the crowd. "Let me show this little man how it's done." Big guy fails and fails and fails. "Who knew this skill game was so hard?..."
Don't forget word 'innovation', and digital renders. Can't have a scam without it being _innovative_ , and animated.
@@danielduncan6806 How was it a scam? The video was just some young guy’s entry in a design competition where they were told to come up with radical concepts. It’s not like the guy pitched this to investors. He probably didn’t even think it was practical himself: it was just a contest entry. The scam is Thunderf00t making it out to be more that it was so he can profit from more RUclips views.
"An interesting solution" is the academic way of saying "youre batshit insane and you need to be locked up far away from everything"
On the solar panels somewhere around 75% of the light gets absorbed, turned into heat, then radiated. I am starting to get worried the cookies baking from the waste heat of the ice machine might get burned…
As futurama once said Of course, because the greenhouse gasses are still building up, it takes more and more ice each time, thus solving the problem once and for all
“B-but…”
“ONCE AND FOR ALL!”
Obviously the solution is to move Earth further away from Sun
@@realdragon We just need to terraform mars and call it Earth.
but.
@@TheUlquiorraCifer But it would be way, way easier to terraform the Earth, so…
Architects and designers doing science is always a fun watch.
It was an architecture student making a video submission for a “radical concepts” student contest. Thunderf00t is being disingenuous when he pretends like it was a serious proposal. But hey, whatever gets ya RUclips views.
@@truejim it's more in response to the 'news' articles that reported on it like it was a cutting edge development.
@@azzy-551 That would be the fair thing to do yah, but check out the comment section: people saying this student should be denied a degree and his uni defunded. If Thunderf00t wasn’t angling for views by yet again attacking a student project, he could have spent at least a little time talking about how even this student probably didn’t think his concept workable. But that wouldn’t stoke the outrage that drives views, right?
Real architects know basic thermodynamics. At least how refrigeration works. Even high school physics teaches that.
That guy's proposal is nuts. Where does he think they should dump the heat?
@@dispatch-indirect9206 I agree that huge tuitions are bad behavior, but why are people here attacking _the_student_? He didn't do anything nefarious. He made a video and submitted it to a contest. Yah his concept is unworkable, but that's not what the contest called for. Honestly, this feels like another Thunderf00t video where he's attacking a student project just to line his own pockets. What kind of teacher publicly attacks student projects like this?
I love how humans answer to the question 'maybe we shouldn't destroy our own habitat?' with 'Literally everything but that'. Like wtf.
it's the classic nature vs progress dilemma, do you wanna care for the environment and stop the progression of humanity(this may sounds good, trust me it's not) or continue the progression of humanity until we hit the jackpot technology to help the environment(which is also bad idea considering the risk).
the best option is choosing both nature and progression which is very complex decision, process and not alot of people knows how.
yea maybe we shouldn't've destroy our own habitat but what other choices do you have to fuel your own society? you could stop, but you could raise the inflation considering now resources are scarce and rare then slowly lead your society to become a 3rd world country for the betterment of environment.
It's amazing how some simple CGI is so convincing to some people, yet even high school physics is enough to tell that this project is a non-starter.
In my part of the world, I do take advantage of the winter weather to expand my freezer capacity to store food...and it costs me nothing except for the heat loss every time open the door to the patio. Oh...and I learned something. If you put your beer mugs in -35 weather for awhile and pour a can of beer in, you get beer slurpees!! Best invention ever.
"29 year old architect" is enough to send any engineer into cardiac arrest
Engineers exist to tell architects "hell no"
It was a 29 year old engineer who designed it you half wit.
If architects could solve problems, engineers would be unemployed. The universe had to nerf them.
Helloooo fellow engineers and welcome back to busting architects ideas.
@@tach5884 I am waiting for RCE to find out about this abomination. He will not be happy any architect was let loose near the engineering facility. 😂
It doesn't even use the strongest shape?!
And when I submitted my “earth sized sunglasses” idea, I was told “you just drilled some holes in a globe and shoved some dollar store sunglasses through the holes. This is not a science fair project.” Well who’s in need of a parent teacher conference now miss Keller? That idea was better than a second place international architectural competition winner.. and the third place idea.. miss Keller.
the competition has a section open to the general public. You could submit that for 2024
Add some solar panels and you’re on to a wimner
@@dutchbeef8920 v2: glasses with blue and silver lines drawn across the lenses.
they weren't hexagonal
@@dutchbeef8920
you would also have to make the solar panels roads to go to the moon.
Honestly from what I understand about the artic is that it's cold enough to have frozen salt water so that must mean that it's inherently cold enough to freeze normal water so I'd imagine desalinateing the water should be enough to get it to freeze so the main issues I inherently see is the only way I know we can desalinate water is by boiling it and capturing the steam so that's gonna create quite a bit of heat on top of that water really likes to contain salt to the point that you can melt ice on roads by putting salt on it so ain't the surrounding salt gonna melt the fresh water ice
The expansion of the ice as it formed would probably cause a bit of bother too.
I can imagine it rupturing on the first attempt.
I love how the Futurama jokes of yesterday become today's tech grifts
Thus solving the problem once and for all. ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!
Universities that allow students to public crap like this should suffer penalties, because not only are they promoting utter nonsense, it shows they are not capable of identifying nonsense, and if they can't identify it they can't teach it... Which is the entire point of a university.
It certainly doesn't help the public's distrust in higher education when schools come out and endorse ideas like this or any of those "free water from air" devices.
It's another of those "Hey, this is a cool idea! What would it look like?" schemes. No idea of the engineering challenges or feasibility.
It did say he's an architectal student. I once had 2 explain 2 some of these how the metric system works.
They are scam artists. They know better.
Even I know that it will consume more energy releasing more heat while producing ice
Video: "Ice babies."
My brain: "Ice, ice baby..."
When the engineer is actually an architect. Those are nice conceptual illustrations for something that couldn't possibly work.
This is like trying to cool a house with an ice tray.
I would believe it if you told me those guys just leave the fridge open to cool their house
or standing in front of the fridge with the door open
The ice tray would be more effective.
@@DrWhom At least standing in front of the fridge with the door open would *initially* cool *you* off a bit.
Well more like painting the roof white by just putting a bunch of ice trays on there
While there are many, many issues with this concept I still can't over the idea that they thought making the whole ship a submarine was more practical than having a door...
You absolute FOOL don't you know that doors are the leading cause of arctic ice melt?! The designer is an architect so I'm pretty sure he knows more about doors then you do, pal.
But that wouldn't look as cool!
It was probably their "smart" idea for getting the ice out: go under water, open the hatch, and let the mini iceberg float up to the surface.
IDK, I mean if your going to throw logic out the window right from the start, you might as well go all out. It's probably also nuclear powered and AI operated.
Why does stuff like this keeps happening even today at CNN? The writers of this story could easily copy+paste the idea into ChatGPT and simply ask: could this even physically and logically work?
its for the clickbait views bro
your soothing comments together with a cup of coffee is all I needed this evening, thanks for de-stressing me haha
This makes solar roadways look like a great idea
Every time I hear the title “Architect” I know I’m dealing with an artist rather than a scientist or engineer. I resisted the trend in the IT industry to refer to us as “Systems Architects”. Frank Lloyd Wright was incapable of designing a building whose roof didn’t leak! 😂
Architects design building layouts. They're basically the bottom of the tier of engineers
Yes architects only decide how it should look, then construction engineers need to make it work and many construction engineers i know is ripping their hair out trying to fix the design to something that work. I know one who should build a large store in a fucking swamp, location and appearance was what the architect had decided after just looked on a map and never seen how the place it should be build on looked inr eal life so the engineer needed to make pillars/stilts the store should stand on so it didn't sank and needed to change the roof so it was higher in one end so water would run of the roof and not stay in one spot and make the roof leak and this was just a simply a warehouse/store building. I think it would be harder to solve more advanced projects.
@@InfernosReaperarchitects are not any kind of engineer.
@@Gripen1974 It's a lot easier to hire an engineer to make it right from the beginning. Nobody needs an architect.
What is the difference between an architect and an engineer?
Architect will design amazing construction; engineer will tell you why it is impossible.
"Sir, the ice caps are melting"
"Then just re-freeze it, DUH"
"interesting engineering solution" really means "that's currently impossible, but here's your clever boy points for thinking of it "
As someone who works in the refrigeration industry I can honestly say that some of our temperature sensors are designed intentionally to measure up to and well over 400 degrees Fahrenheit. In centigrade that is around 204 degrees. So twice the boiling point of water just to keep your ice cream cold on a summer day.
But it's not really twice the temperature unless you compare from absolute zero.
I totally agree, I run a very large refrigeration system at sea. You are constantly overboarding hot water as you refrigerate. I think I pump out at least twice the hot water volume that I actually chill
@@onradioactivewavesThe old “if it was zero degrees yesterday and twice as cold today, how cold is it?” Dilemma
@@muffinconsumer4431 that's precisely why I prefer to stick with unitless units, such as radians.
This kind of feels like a child's understanding of the problem. "The ocean is getting too warm? Just use a bunch of freezers to cool it back down!" And if you're real goal is to reflect sunlight, there's gotta be a better way than freezing water
New ice sheets form every winter and melt every summer. Any manual progress is nullified by the end of the season.
@@DrTheRichWell, if you had unlimited machinery annd the entire energy output we humans produce, you could probably make a bit of progress, but thats a tad bit unrealistic.
Watch out....the Biden administration 'Green Czar' is looking to hire these geniuses. They'll fit in well with all the rest of the kooks and their unworkable plans.
No, no. Didn't you pay attention? He's a 29 years old Engineer (WITH CAPITAL "E"!).
Sigh.
Shit like this makes me want to scratch off my title off my card. Embarrasing.
"A 29 year old Engineer"
"A 29 year old Architect"
Architects and Engineers are two different things completely. Engineers take Physics and Thermodynamic classes, for one...
"That might be a problem" --- This caused me to spew coffee on my keyboard. I love the indignant tone used to dismiss this crazy idea.
Wouldn't it be better to cover the arctic with tinfoil?
Yeah forget the ice thing let's just reflect the sun back. Lol.
well the water not the ice
Unless you plan on reheating it later, probably not.
are you suggesting putting a tinfoil hat on the earth?
It would probably be more feasible and cheaper than whatever this is.
Nuclear winter would help refreeze the arctic.
100%
Dont laugh. It's been suggested. Not a nuclear winter though, but it has been suggested to introduce high altitude dust or even a space-based "sun shade".
NOBODY LAUGH
And it would also have the adverse side effect of population reduction.
@@bertblankenstein3738less ppl, more resources for everyone! Win/Win
This reminded me of one of my thermodynamics lectures when our prof asked us, if you put a fridge in a complete sealed room and run it with the door open, what happens to the temperature in the room?
It heats up slowly
@@BGTech1 Well the question then would be where does the energy to run the fridge come from? The phrasing of the question implies that the energy to run the fridge does not come from outside the sealed room. If there is a diesel generator in there to power the fridge then yes, the room would heat up because the chemical energy from the diesel is converted to heat energy. Same goes if the energy to run the fridge is proved from outside the sealed room though in that case it would be electricity being converted into heat energy (thought that of course would also happen in the previous case but would be operationally insignifcant compared to the conversion from chemical to heat energy).
However, if we were to assume that the sealed room contains only the fridge and that the fridge is magical and can run without a power input then there mgiht be local temperature differences (specifically the front would be cooler and the back would be hotter), but the overall temperature wouldn't change.
@@tranquilthoughts7233 Interesting! It’s definitely one of those questions you have to really think about.
@@tranquilthoughts7233 Either way, the work that the refrigerator is doing will be a net increase in heat. Even if it's "magically" supplied with power, there is no way to perfectly transfer that power to work without losing efficiency to heat. The sealed room heats up at the same rate that the refrigerator consumes electricity, regardless of the origin of that power. The laws of thermodynamics do not lie and cannot be cheated.
@@DerWaffel That is exactlky what i wrote.
But please note that when i brought in a "magical" refrigerator i specified that the "magical" part about it is that it does not consume power to work. The compressor magically works without requiring electricity to run. Yes, that is a breach of the law of thermodynamics. That's why i called it "magical".
I love how this concept focuses on the part of our oceans that gets the LEAST amount of sunlight. Yup, that's definitely the best place to invest the energy needed to desalinate a bunch of water.
And ignore the fact that we already have fully automatic systems that deliver fresh water to the oceans; they're called rivers. It surely won't be cheaper to just package up that fresh water in iceberg-sized plastic bags and tow them to the arctic. And it would be even cheaper and more efficient by a factor of 1/sin(23°) to just make the plastic bags white, fill them with air instead of fresh water so that they float, and anchor them near the equator. Or if you don't like to rely on the plastic bags having to stay inflated to not sink, you could just place them on some unused land near the equator, say the Sahara desert. That would allow you to go single-layered and it would cut down massively on the cost to deploy the bags because you don't need ships to get them into position and the anchoring system would be a bunch of cinder blocks around the edges.
Now, with my improved solution which is massively cheaper than the "desalinating the arctic" plan, it would be a shame if someone already calculated this solution through, (except with white paint instead of white plastic foil), and came to the conclusion that even the money that we currently pump into our global paint industry couldn't get us enough paint to make a measurable impact.
This is another one of those ideas where spending 3 thoughts on it would allow you to make it more economical and arrive at something that either already exists, or was already debunked.
The reason ice floats is because it expands. Getting the ice out of a cavity like the one on their illustration will be all but impossible, unless the cavity is ripped apart first, Maybe if the cavity had a relief angle, but not with parallel walls. I am surprised you mentioned nothing about that aspect! The expression "frozen solid" comes to mind... They would have better luck spraying water in the air and creating artificial snow!
Yep, going to waste more kWh on getting that lose.
The design also has a really thin hull (floating ice-bergs can't be a problem right?) and nothing in it but space allocations. Nice calms sea in animation/picture.
It seems to me some-body missed a few weather-reports from above the arctic circle (speaking from experience)......
There are an almost unlimited number of problems with this idea, the fact not all got included in the video shouldn't surprise you
You do it the same way your fridge ice maker does - I giant heater around the whole perimeter to release it. I bet it would only take a few 10's of kW of heat to melt it slightly the whole way around... oh wait... shit... more heat...
There would be engineering solutions for that if the general principles behind this were sound.
@@DreadX10 Oh yeah, or "why do we still need icebreakers to reliably do any shit in arctic?".
Even if this thing worked in the way it would need, the amount of these you would need for these to actually matter would be insane.
Don't need to, polar ice is spiking.
@@sladewilson9741 Well, we are around the next mini-ice age.
If... we had that elusive solar powered solar power panel factory... energy wouldn't be a big problem on a long enough time frame.
@@bagger35e A Dyson Sphere powered solar powered solar farm producing hydrogen powered cars might just solve everything.
Heat capacity of water is around 4 kJ/gK. So let's say we want to freeze 1000kg of water at once which is 1m³ (very little) and water is already cold so about 2°C. It would take 800 MJ and those are optimistic estimates.
Tricky part is getting to know what you don't know. While thinking you know what is needed gives confidence, the end result will suffer and leave you a fool. This is why i love this channel, i get to know just a bit more. I would rather watch youtube channels like this, then cooking or dance shows, or who can sing.. on tv..
What a fantastic presentation you have made.
Also, they say that it takes 1 month for one of those subs to produce one "ice baby". Even if we assume the babies are square, that would mean one sub produces some 8100 square meters of pretty thin ice in a year. And to get a better idea of how insignificant that is, we can use their own image. If I'm counting correctly, there are 68 visible ice babies in their illustration with the three subs. That means the small patch of ice formed by the ice babies from those subs in that image has taken those three subs almost two years to manufacture...
Yeah, I think you're going to need *a lot* of those subs to "refreeze the Arctic"...
Not to mention the heat generated by freezing the ice plus operating the ship with its "social and scientific" facilities will likely melt more ice than it will make.
I also cba to do the math but these are thin and have a relatively large surface area so the sun is going to decimate them. Would one even survive long enough for the next one to pop out?
@@MrWhiskey1 Also a very good point ;)
No, they would flipt over and be on their side.
@@Case_ Also, if they ever owned a freezer, they should know that its insides are cold, but backside is hot. Where do they plan to drop waste heat, in the same ocean they freeze?
Designers... They are really saving the world with their renders :D
I bet this world saving climate change solution would work wonders inside Meta, they have climate change inside the metaverse right ?
Congrats to the 1 million subs! (if I haven't already congratulated you on that ; )
The energy and resources it would take to make these giant ice cubes would be ridiculous!
i am starting a crowd funding campaign to be able to reverse the arrow of time at our will, overcoming the second law of thermodynamics and ushering in a new ageless epoch. i need the msrp plus dealer markup for a 2024 porsche gt4 rs wth all the carbon options. lets make this happen guys
That already happened.
What we ought to be concerned with here is, how the heck such buffoonery gets taken so damn seriously in the 1st place. Not to even mention the issues that such "media hype" alone causes. I mean, doesn't this stuff at least get ran past like an "adult" 1st ? & these are the "experts" who are suppose to help get us out of the messes we've created !
Whats really a problem, is that people tend to see those stories and think "oh so we're making progress" when in reality we're actually wasting time.
It seems we get the experts we deserve instead of the ones we need.
Most people are complete buffoons, and then you wonder why such buffoonery gets taken seriously? Better watch out, TF is gonna make a video on your comments soon if you don't watch it... you're on very thin ice my friend
Really this is problem of overspecialization. Just look at the list of papers in this video. Only one scientific something and the rest? Of the more well known ones, all CEO centric papers, that don't need to take care of what they publish from a scientific point of view, because the CEOs don't care, that they are being sold complete impossibility. They only care about the financial math, which is, sadly devoid of actual effects, because of how things like ESG is set up.
Really, we need the media to stop pondering to sensationalism, particularly in science and give ideas time to mature... oh and proper safety nets, so that when a scientist makes this big of a mistake, they don't have to double down on it and effectively commit fraud, to keep their lights on.
The media’s job is not to clean up your messes, nobody reads the Janitors daily cleaning blog. The media’s job is to keep viewers, and stupid clickbait pumped out quickly gets more views overall than actual quality content, thus the industry is encouraged by market forces to put in the bare minimum effort.
4:35 Hey! Look at that! Most of it is under water! Just like _regular_ ice!
What? Too soon? I'm having fun with it 🤣
He’s managed to live 29 years ?
Wow , in his case that’s quite impressive !
Well, he tried to shot himself in the foot - but failed.
Could be a world record for someone with this little brainpower. You would have thought he would have won a Darwin award before coming up with this garbage.
I dont even have to finish the whole video because I already know this idea is a absolute joke
But do please remember to leave a like on the video !
The title of the video was already a punchline for me !
I can barely even get started!
This idea being featured on Forbes and Business Insider are all the red flags that average people need.
I have a friend who regularly updates me on new technologies to benefit the planet. He pointed this one out and also pointed out the carbon capture pipeline they're trying to put through the midwest. So I proposed a hypothetical to him: "Lets say you can design a device that is easily scaleable. It can capture carbon from the atmosphere, reduce ambient temperatures, create sustainable fuels, and even produce food while being entirely solar-powered. Would you be in favor of such technology?" He replies that he would, indeed be in favor of it. So I smiled and pointed, "Then plant a tree." ... ... we haven't spoken for six months now.
"filtering out the salt" is all they had to say for me to call bs
This story reminded me of the A68 iceberg which broke free from the Larsen C ice shelf in 2017. You know, the one the size of a small country. 5800 square km in area, some 200 meters thick, and 1.1 trillion tons of mass. I was wondering ... what ever happened to that? Oh yah ... now I remember. It melted!
FREAKING SOLAR ICEBERG ROADWAYS!
so weird. it melted, but the sea level here in NZ didn't change at all
I had a friend who calculated how many nuclear weapons it would take to melt the A68 iceberg in one day, and the figure came to many times greater than the world's nuclear payload.
@@flowinsoundsbecause as big as it was it is inconsequential compared to the total mass of ice. Sea levels are rising but with more water comes more extreme tidal movements. You can easily see the rise in cities like Miami, Vienna, and I would wager there too as I have seen reports about more common property damage from King Tides there.
what you see in those cities is subsidence, as determined by Lidar / interformetry@@norml.hugh-mann
Sea levels have barely changed. In some places eg, Norway, satellite & gauge readings show it falling, but the data has been adjusted to exactly match predictions before being entered into the global data sets. Climate Science is data fraud
Lost me at solar powered submarine
In the one region of the earth that doesn’t have sun for half the year
It could've been worse. It could've had screen doors for more energy-efficient ventilation.
I don't understand why these stupid boats need to be submarines at all. Is it so they can go underwater for the ice to float up out of the cavity? Wouldn't it be easier to make a boat with just one section that submerges? Why does the whole boat need to go underwater?
@@daverapp or just a big tub at the stern with insulated sea doors.
@@daverapp Yeah, that seems to be their idea. Ridiculously over engineered and it still doesn't explain how they will make the water freeze in the first place.
The article describes the ice as being 16' thick x 82' wide. That is shaped more like a plate than a pole like you used in your demonstration.
he wasn't going off the official dimensions, he was demonstrating the proportions you'd need in order for the ice to float as far above the water as they are shown in the promotional images
@@pikamario99why is that relevant like at all? Its justa graphic, theres so many other problems with this idea...
It's brilliant! The only thing is missing from the concept is a gigantic saltmagnet. We should call this: Project Titanic. 😁
It really seems like we're just running out of good ideas so they're rewarding any garbage that people can come up with.
This honestly reminded me about Futurama's solution. Just drop a giant ice cube out in the ocean. Yet futurama's idea is somehow better because the submarine wouldn't also be contributing to higher temperatures in the water.
Just dump a lot of sun blocking gases in the air like the guy bill gates did before but on bigger scale, humans could also reduce their carbon emissions, which is eventually going to make the carbon cycle smaller and cool down earth.
i was always boggled by this in design, it's a doctrine similar to engineering ( at least industrial design ) so you have to focus on stuff like energy used, materials resistance under various conditions, minimaze ambiental impact, minimize production impact, etc etc. and then there are these competitions that are " ok, go wild, do something that will never work as intended at current stage of technology and that noone has ever thought of because it probably seems stupid " and i swear, they always prize the dumbest/wildest concepts, among all the competition there might be an handful of projects that are actually doable and would work but media never talk about those.
this competition is literally judged primarily on being "original" and "experimental" and "responsiveness to the programs objectives".
The program's objectives are to go wild and "make people rethink"
This one met the brief
I love your work!
The idea is BS of course, but to be fair the block of ice @4:50 is not the geometry of the proposal, which was flattish in the ratio of 4:1 width to depth and which would float stably. Never mind the ignorant artist's impressions of it floating like polystyrene, it really does not matter how deep it floats.
It is the thermodynamics and the logistics that make this idea stupid - the guy is an architect ffs, an artist basically.
All i see with proposals like this is: "On today's episode of, literally anything but taxing billionaires, limiting private jets/yachts and investing in nuclear."
(I know it's a lot more complicated than that.)
so if you had taken part in this *design* competition your submission would have been a tax plan proposal?
The problem I see is that those icecubes will start melting directly after being released in to the ocean, just like the ice they are trying to prevent melting. It is a complete waste of time if the sun itself makes the earth hotter, the cubes will just melt and earth is too big to be cooled by a couple of smaller ice-things floating in the ocean.
I came to the same exact conclusion. The only thing this might do is give temporary surface for a polar bear to rest for a little bit, until it just melts again.
Exactly, even with an energy efficient ship and ignoring what it takes to power the ship you have the issue of heat transfer. It's like opening your freezer to try and cool your house. You might get a cold spot in front of the freezer, but you're just dumping the heat out the exhaust panel right back into the same room.
The problem you Should see, which is more important than what you said, is that turning water into floating icecubes doesn't change the water level. Archimedes principle
It is actually not the problem, because ice melts really slowly and the benefit of having ice is that it reflects the sunlight and insulates the water below. But I don't know if the 'engineer' realized this. If you could magically create 'ice babies' inside water that is now heated up because of the ice you made (you can also put the heat into the air and then it's less of an issue), then it would still be a benefit to have the ice in the hot water.
@@Vincent_Beers No, because you are ignoring the albido effect of the ice. And the heat could be put into the air and be less of an issue because it dissipates. But if you want to cool the earth by creating white surfaces, you'd better of doing it in the desert. Or inside the top of the atmosphere.
TLDR: By freezing large amounts of water These boats will be pumping enough hot air in the poles to bake cookies in open air.
The desalinization it's also a waste of energy, as if the colossal energy you need to create an iceberg wasn't enough.
I think their concept was to desalinate then allow the below-freezing atmosphere in the area freeze the ice for them. It's still stupid, given the energy requirements of desalination and the scale that would be necessary, but they don't seem to be purporting to refrigerate the water to form ice.
Thunderf00t's finally nailed what this channel's always needed: clips of Cookie Monster.
KUKEEE KUKEEEEE
I was kinda hoping he'd add in that scene from Jingle All the Way.
...
*_PUT THAT COOKIE DOWN!_*
Now if the suggestion had been: "Lets cover the entire Arctic with a reflective mylar sheet and reflect all the sun's energy back into the sky away from the ice" - now that may have been a slightly more sensible (and cheaper) option, and essentially put the entire arctic into nighttime for a few years to cool down.
Nah, we should do like they did in Futurama and cause a nuclear winter to cancel out global warming.
Nah, even doing that is expensive. From my rough calculations (going by the local mylar cost where I live), the cost of covering the ENTIRE Arctic ice sheet is 1.76x10^13 USD or 17.6 trillion dollars, but this is assuming all the mylar is produced by current systems, and not a planet wide production
Also the ecological effect of something like might be a tad extreme
That only works for a second until the sheet is covered with a layer of snow and it won't have any effect anymore and be a waste of effort
We're gonna need a lot of space blankets to make that happen...
I installed a Planetary Air Conditioner on my roof. It ejects enoug heat into space to stop 250 tons of ice from melting per year. It uses no electricity, and has no moving parts. Engineers do that.
But making ice? Why bother?
Just coat the arctic with white Styrofoam plates. Sunlight is not allowed to enter the ocean in summer. Far less expensive than making ice. Take a shipload of styrene pellets, and make foam on site. Or drag a raft of foam blocks from a harborside factory.
Personally, I'd make balls. Toss a thousand on an ice-flow, and the ice would resist melting.
It's no dumber than making ice.
a giant freezer that exchanges heat for cold and becomes hot on the outside as part of the process? wow. everyone is so creative
I'm a surveying engineer and I am not surprised an architect came up with this. XD
Architects should be banned from anything having to do with anything even slightly scientific, including designing buildings.
The best part is when you realize the drawing depicts well over a years work for those 3 ships. Several years if they migrate to follow the summer sun.
as if those hexagons would even stay frozen until the second one comes out
Reminds me when people had this craze for perpetual motion machines.
I am impressed by how the bullcrap never ends.
Mobs need to launder money somehow. This is mafia shit. They do it through fake firms like this nowadays.
That is a never ending source of energy, bovine fertiliser.
Bull crap is misnamed. If you stop feeding a bull, it stops crapping.
@@coweatsman That is a good idea! (Obama thumbs up)
@@Chompchompyerded The logic is solid. Nuf said!
This was pure comedy gold! Top notch! The desalination of the water would consume ungodly amounts of energy, I wonder what they were thinking. lol
Thinking? I think you overestimate their chances.
Yeah, and freezing it will consume even more energy, did the guy expect each of these platforms to come with its own nuclear power plant?
@@NephritduGrey lol quite right
@@phoenix211245 I wouldn't put it past them lol
That's the problem. They _weren't_ thinking.
Whenever someone I know tells me about something like this and they think that it must be scientifically sound, or else why would it be written about in the NYT, or Forbes or whatever. I understand their optimism but I don’t get their lack of critical thinking. It just stands to reason that something so enormous, expensive and miraculous ought to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. Anyway, thanks to you T-foot it’s plain to understand!
That would require NYT or Forbes to have an actually engineering/physics savvy editor on staff that could vet such shiny feelgood stories...
Sometimes i think Forbes doesn't even employ economists any more and economics is already an excessively fuzzy "science" which mostly tries to find the cheapest way to read a crystal ball to make predictoins despite no model existing that can actually reliably make such predictions.
Concept is good and that's about it... the technology to create it simply uh doesn't exist
This is equivalent to running an air conditioner in windowless room.
I've seen someone do it. They couldn't understand why their server closet was so hot, its got air conditioning they said. I had a look. They had a portable aircon unit with the exhaust hose sitting in the closet. I had to try to not point and laugh at them.
This is one of those things where it's so bizarre that Thunderfoot doesn't even need his brainpower to debunk, he could just point and laugh and say "Look at this sh*t!" lol haha
But then that wouldn’t make Thunderf00t any $$$ from RUclips outrage. He knows full well this was a video submission by an architecture student to a “radical concepts” student contest.
He seems having fun busting that crap
@bigwinkler
Of course. Owing to Brandolini's law it is much easier - and less exausting - laughing at bullshit than debunking it.
@thunderf00t, in your demonstration in the kitchen, it is floating the same way theirs is.
The one they are proposing is not 84 feet deep and 16 feet across, it's 16 feet deep and 84 feet across, so it would flot in the same fashion as the block you used.
Yeah not going to lie, thought id missed something but watched it several times. The proposal says 16 feet thick not 82 feet thick, so you should in theory have an ice sheet about 1.6 feet above water level (14.4 feet of it below water level) and 82 feet across. @Thunderf00t is this just an oversight or have I missed something. Love your stuff btw any thoughts about the IVO Quantum Drive I cant find any decent info about it other than SpaceX launched it.
He is saying that when you form that ice inside the sub it will sink the sub... As the weight of the ice becomes part of the ships mass, meaning the entire sub will turn on it's size and stop working.
It’s like, “I’m doing my part, you guys” (throws cup of ice in the ocean)
Good lord in heaven! Five seconds in and all I could think was "Oh come on! F-off!"
Trying the be charitable I suspect one reason for the rise of 'genuine' snake-oil schemes (ie: The snake-oil merchant who believes they have a good idea) is most people have gotten so used to living in a world where anything seems possible, they conflate that with "Anything I can dream up can be done, probably with very little effort."
Someone raised these people to believe in themselves TOO much. This is what happens when we tell kids they can be whatever they want to be when they grow up. In reality, they just end up being stupid
Makes about the same amount of sense as running your AC to chill the outdoors
Another way to think about it is we aren't warming up because our ice is melting. Making ice just gives us more to melt but its like putting a bandaid on a flesh wound.
I want to point out that Futurama's take would actually help