Lee Anderson doubles down on anti-traveller comments, Labour want the NHS privatised | Podcast #46
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2024
- Ava was out covering Reform UK's latest policy announcement today where Lee Anderson finally showed her who's boss by sharing the anti-traveller views he shared while a Labour councillor.
We then dive into Wes Streeting's comments sharing Labour's plans to use private healthcare to alleviate the NHS backlog.
Finally, we pre-empt all the bad faith takes on Hardest Geezer's run across Africa.
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If you privatise the NHS, you will no longer have an NHS. You will have a private healthcare system. Like the US. Do you really want that? You once had the best healthcare system in the world. DO NOT LET THE NHS GO!!!
Unfortunately it's not up to us; this "democracy" is a sham.
I don't think private healthcare is that bad. 92% of people in USA have health insurance and I understand a lot of people get health insurance as apart of their job. People who don't have it or struggle with healthcare costs I believe can get help from Medicaid (Eg: low income children/parents). I know US healthcare is expensive, but that is mainly due to insurance being the 3rd party between consumer and the seller which increases costs. Look into "Direct Primary care" which is a system where instead of insurance, they have membership fees that they pay every month to the clinic and that covers all services that they might need to use. Lower costs, and better service.
@ecnalms851 Insurance doesn't always cover certain procedures and doesn't always cover the full cost. I know a few people in the U.S. who have had to open GoFundMe campaigns to help pay for treatments.
@@ecnalms851 If you have health insurance in the US, it doesn't cover you for all procedures or medicines. It also doesn't cover you for all hospitals. Have an emergency but there are no in-band hospitals nearby? You're paying full price. There are so many holes in the US system, it's indefensible.
@@jamesfromit I know it ain't perfect at all, I get that but like I said there is still help offered like medicare/medicaid if there are people on low-income. I know there are people like you mentioned who still in trouble even with there being help so it obviously ain't perfect, but I'm pretty sure for the vast majority of people in the US, the system does a decent job despite being expensive. Their quality of healthcare is also good - the US relative 10-year survival rate for prostate cancer is 98% whereas in the UK it's approx 80%. But like I said look into the DPC system - it's private healthcare but gets rid of the insurance part and instead replaces it with membership fees and it seems to work pretty well. Just goes to show that it there is a private healthcare system that does work well.
I'm a 4th year medical student in London - we get NHS bursary and SFE maintenance loans, it is no where near enough for me to study without working.
Usually I have to do 3 days days work on top of 4 days of clinical placement so am running work or uni 7 days every week. I'm still finding it difficult to pay rent. I also recently finished a placement in a far away town which sometimes cost £40 a day to travel, but only got reimbursed for one journey a week. I need new clothes for placement but don't have the spare cash.
On contrast I know other students who are from wealthy families and they have never had to worry about working alongside studying.
It has 100% impacted my ability to learn and be better at medicine, as I am forced to cut study time in order to eat and sleep. If my dad wasn't able to help me when I really need it, I do not know how someone from a working class family could realistically sustain this lifestyle if they couldn't stay at home.
you and ava are absolutely right with the additional costs of doing medicine. i’m just about to start my 6th year of study (so that’s 6 years of student loans where most students only pay back 3) but what people don’t realise is that’s not just more loans it’s 3 extra years of rent (if ur not at home) and with clinical placement your almost expected to have a car to get to your hospital placements which for most working class students is so unaffordable and your barely reimbursed for your travel expenses. i’ve had a job alongside my degree for 3 years and even then i’m so constantly tight on finances that going into the degree if i had been made more aware of the financial impact it would make i may have been drawn away from this profession that i’ve always wanted to pursue
Best thing about Ed, is that he lists his driving licence as a qualification on his LinkedIn 😂
that is so funny wth
@@mattmunnelly5194 go check it!
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@@nathanaelsmith3553 all I wanted to do was check is Alistair Campbell was actually his dad and the LinkedIn came up
@@jzilla1234 well, I can't drive so I'm impressed
At 52:15 Eva says "I could care less" when she means "I coudln't care less" and I'm more upset than I should be.
Your upset is entirely justified
bothered me as well, even though it doesn't matter
It more upset me that I have never seen two ppl laugh so hard at their jokes before, especially when so unfunny.
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I'm 100% a language descriptivist and have no desire to needlessly conserve language and prevent it from evolving - conveying meaning is all that matters - but the lack of negative like that does bug me. Primarily because it never sounds natural to my ears and sometimes confuses me - tbh, it's a little FOMO from everyone else being able to use the phrase that way!
We love our Reform Queen, Ava 🫡👸
The private sector for healthcare scares me so much, my experience in frontline NHS for the last 5 years is that a lot of the private sector is lacking in emergency management, training etc. I also worry that the opposite will continue to happen as they will try to keep end of life and elderly people alive longer etc. Can we just compulsory purchase it all and add it to the nhs?
Sounds like a great financial decision...
I'm 100% sure that people who defend travellers have never had any rock up next to their house.
Had them on school fields growing up, and they repeatedly attacked pupils. Had them on nearby allotments, completely destroyed the years of work people had put in, trashing crops, smashing and robbing sheds and greenhouses. Had them locally on the lawns of OAP sheltered accommodation, and they smashed all the bungalow windows.
Not to mention the piles of waste left when they are finally moved on.
It's these behaviours which cause the reputation and prejudice against them. Take some ownership. Also, as a counterpoint to the Olivia clip, I know someone who spent decades as a traveller liaison officer, they can be extremely hard to engage with, and hostile as a default.
People used to say the same about "the blacks" and "the Irish". You really don't see why it's problematic to assume someone is a thief or anti social because of the actions of other people within their perceived "group"?
@@jessery475 I'm not assuming people are thieves or antisocial, I'm saying the traveller camps that set up illegally on land they shouldn't cause problems like the ones detailed above - and the people who blanket defend them have no experience in the matter.
Used to work in a hospital theatre, if a traveller was being operated on you would have 20/30 people trying to force themselves in, robbing what they could. Everytime.
There's a big presence in the next town, whenever they have a funeral the shops all shut at 4 for a few days. They don't shut as a mark of respect or because of assumptions.
@@jessery475 yeah its kind of not the same Travelers think we our all idiots for living in houses so have no regard for normal people they can be very nice but they don't see the rules as something they need to follow and they will not i think the site near me had 30 slaves so kind a glimpse at how dangoures they can be not all but majority
When I was in the police, I used to have to go to act as a body guard for the person serving notice on these camps. It was absolutely disgusting the state they were left in, and there was good data that crime rates of theft went up in the area. Unfortunately it lead to a selection bias, where there was an assumption all travellers lived like this, when they don’t. This is the issue with stereotyping which is the problem people have with Lee Anderson. He assumes all people described as travellers are exactly the same.
20:31 nah, this is a red herring, the reason working class people are underrepresented in medicine is because it's one of the worst gatekept courses to get into.
All the entry requirements demand rigorous extracurricular activities which favours private schooled kids who can afford to indulge in volunteering, hobbies, relevant work experience etc, not to mention that at an academic level, these private schooled children are likely privately tutored as well as paying for application coaching too which is a thing in medicine.
Medicine is the most oversubscribed courses in the country, it has the most working class applicants of any course hands down, the idea that the underrepresentation of the working class is due to the financial risk is absurd and just obsfuscation.
A lot of us video watchers still put yous on as a podcast in the background, the descriptions are appreciated x
Ed is so out of touch with the working class and those who are struggling. Gives off strong champagne socialist vibes with his mocking of actual struggles we deal with on a day to day.
It's pretty easy with a bit of googling to find out about the American private healthcare interests donating money to Streeting. Quite the surprise that he should be in favour of further privatising the sector.
im in the usa and have top level private healthcare. its bloody awful. starting with no central health records. we payed $5pm deductible for our sons epilepsy meds, then they switched to a more profitable meds supplier, so now we pay $400 up front monthly.
i had spine surgery which vost 10k, we had to pay 5k ourselves.
the limitations on treatment are pretty much nhs level, $800 for teeth per year etc. (awesome considering the dentists messed my teeth up and now im due for jaw rebuilding surgery., guess whos paying for that..not the private care. we will directly.
now all this comes at the cost of 15% of wages being payed into private healthcare, taken beforehand.
tell me who in the uk can afford to stay healthy with that setup? sod all is who. and with boris lowering the food and agriculture standards were already setup to feed that private system forever.
just like the usa..with less say over it.
priority no.1 has to be removing those usa food and agriculture standards. without that the whole thing falls apart on them. boris snuck it through like it was nothing. but he did it. it is in place. just waiting on the nhs to totally collapse and be replaced by private. we have to stop that now.
In order to have a great health system such as Finland's, England would require tax reform. He knows that the English would never cop that, because the English would rather pay exorbitant insurance premiums than reasonable taxes (this is demonstrably so for modern Americans). So don't blame the politicians for the shortcomings of the English public.
@@luminousfractal420 USA healthcare is expensive because of insurance companies that are the middle man between consumer and seller - they increase costs, and waste time. Look in "Direct Primary Care" which is a system where instead of insurance, they have membership fees that they pay every month to the clinic and that covers all services that they might need to use, like access to a physician.
Talking about university degrees that you can't work alongside - PGCE's - ridiculously expensive to study to become a teacher, especially with the amount of travel you HAVE to do and pay for, while paying to do your degree, work for free and pay for cost of living crisis with a 4.5k maintenance loan spread across 10 months. How the fuck is that possible??
Does Ava say, 'I could care less'?
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Well that was a blast, you both got me in stitches! Oh and you should make that "fake headlines" bit a permanent feature!
note: jaundice (aka yellowing whites of the eyes and skin) is a key sign of liver failure not kidney
Pancreas too
Before you can talk to someone about travellers, it helps to find out if they have spent any amount of time near them first.
Whenever they turned up locally, shoplifting went through the roof.
How do you think we can/should prevent this?
@@MrSpanks take a finger and then a hand
@@MrSpanks jail time?
When they turned up locally for me, they caused absolute chaos at local bars, and half of them ended up shutting early to keep them out. And some of them tried it on with fake 50s and shoplifting where i work.
The only thing worse than them turning up, is when the seafront gets mobbed during the summer, and london "gangs" decide to all turn up and have fights.
Every single one causing trouble is a scumbag from both situations.
These two need to have a culturally enriched traveller experience. Im sure they would love it
"If you're going out to get sloshed, put your phone in Airplane mode!"
Good advise for any politician.
Much as I don't like to agree with Lee Anderson, there's nothing "racial" about living in a caravan and shoplifting.
I mean they've been nomadic for so long at this point that they literally *are* genetically distinct from settled Irish and Scottish people now, and they have their own languages, Shelta and Scottish Cant. So they're as different to us settled Brits and Irish as the Swedish are to the Danish
@@konkey-dong the Swedish and the Danish are identical.
And the word nomad makes it sound like they've wandered the earth rather than hanging about in a field outside Sheffield.
Already have loads of private sector in the NHS at present...Serco does loads of poor quality food, G4S provides rubbish security in some cases. Certain scanning services go to the private sector already and it still doesn't work. It needs a more revolutionary approach to fully overhaul the service for the 21st century.
Guys - I love this podcast! (Even when Joe's on!) Keep up the great work x
Working late for an asset manager, attempting to cleanse my sins with PoliticsJOE podcast. I fear my soul is forfeit.
Thanks for the brunch recommendation Ava!
A much better intro. Thank you
My sister is a doctor and constantly complains at the number of managers they have (not from the diversity angle). Apparently in the north at least they have a bunch of managers who are not doctors and have never been so don't really understand what it is like to be one or what they really need. For example they replaced an old sofa with a shiny new one that was tiny and impossible to lay down on during the middle of the night. You'd think that's a small issue but junior docs are seriously over worked and the 30 mins a night you get to lay down at midnight are VERY important to you. It's symptomatic of the larger issue that they spend money on the wrong things that doctors aren't asking for because they think they know best and don't consult with anyone else. The NHS definitely needs reform but privatisation is NOT the answer
20:45 avas absolutely right with the additional costs of doing medicine. i’m just about to start my 6th year of study (so that’s 6 years of student loans where most students only pay back 3) but what people don’t realise is that’s not just more loans it’s 3 extra years of rent (if ur not at home) and with clinical placement your almost expected to have a car to get to your hospital placements which for most working class students is so unaffordable and your barely reimbursed for your travel expenses. i’ve had a job alongside my degree for 3 years and even then i’m so constantly tight on finances that going into the degree if i had been made more aware of the financial impact it would make i may have been drawn away from this profession that i’ve always wanted to pursue
Hardest geezer runs 10,000 miles without condemning khamas
I kind of miss the old “whooping” intros, if only to hear Ed saying the word “whoop”.
wonderful episode guys! i do think that Ava's comments on assimilating Glasgow into Northumberland where a bit a unprovoked, but always love to see some commitment to beliefs !
Labour wants the NHS privatised?? Repeating a Tory client media lie? I held you to a higher standard.. Means to an end.. Do not nationalise services that should be public and pay full price.. be smart.. get things done.. get waiting lists down by whatever means and again be smart..
Labour members and party as a whole - no.
Labour leadership and wes streeting in particular- yes.
@@James-mb3je Just vote anti tory lad.. the candidate who = most likely to kick out the tory scum should get your vote.. save your preferences when you get pr as a system..
I very much enjoyed Ed’s impression of an orb.
I've already lost count of number of times that Ed has nervously fiddled with the microphone...
It's a drinking game
Reform starting on the tory habit of bullying and alienating as many people as possible.
Just as Hitler did, and look what happened there!!
Utter chaos....and I love it!!
Where do Labour say they’re going to “PrIvAtiSe ThE NhS”? Can you point to it? Their policies are very easy to find. Using private provision to get people the treatment they desperately need in the short term, isn’t “PrIvAtIsAtziOn” They don’t have the staff right now, that will take years to fix.
Richard Tice: if you're gonna be racist don't put it on social media 🤦🏻♀️
lol ed says theyre more of a visual show than audio yet they constantly just show each other stuff on their phones and never show the audience
Any comma's needed? please remember to breath!
@@danielboard9510And your nouns and verbs...
@@danielboard9510 *breathe
@@joejjj4378 Well done!!
Some County Councils used to have Committees for engaging with Travellers and Gypsys.
Would be surprised if they still had them after decades of cuts to local government funding.
Completely agree with Ed's take on Huel. Very Victorian
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For the NHS to operate full service 7/7 you need a 30% increase in workforce through recruitment, retention, overtime. When there is substantial vacancies now.
BTW most of the medical staff working in private healthcare also work in the NHS.
When I saw the effusive praise from Jeremy Hunt, I did wonder if he was preparing the ground for a similar story on him to be honest.
I am not a fan of Lee Anderson AT ALL. However, I cannot make him wrong about the travelers. In my area of Essex (UK), when they arrive, things go missing. Road signs, manhole covers, people's gates, stuff from people's barns and sheds. And fly tipping goes up noticeably. Either the travelers are themselves plagued by a horde of anti-social thieves who follow them around.. or they are themselves the culprits.
ava will be the first to complain when travellers park up close to her
Privatised NHS = no NHS.
Excuse me there appears to be politics in my silly banter podcast
Day 4 of asking for a production team microphone
There's pivate healthcare in the USA but the average male life expectancy was 76.3 in 2021 and has decreased since! For comparison average male life expectancy in 2021 in the UK was 80.7. These are averages, so this doesn't mean all men lose 4 years life expectancy, but some men without private healthcare insurance will lose maybe 10, 20 or 30 years of life and those who can afford private care will live to 80, 90 or older. There is already a huge difference in lifespan and healthy life expectancy in the UK between the postcode areas of the wealthy and the poor. There can be 20+ year differences between the life expectancy of men in the same UK city depending on postcodes.
I think that spokeswoman is from an organisation that does really important work so her and everyone else involved should be commended for that but she really needs more media training before doing more interviews. She said the word "um" after every couple of words and it started getting really grating and at least for me got in the way of listening to her message
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I love the silly nonsense that is this podcast.
it felt like ed had everyone at gunpoint, at the end, asking them all to clap x,D
The issue with thye Traveller comments is difficult for me. I'm afraid that my experience of them has been really negative. I don't want to pigeon hole them all and I expect many are law abiding considerate people, but that's not the case of all and perhaps it's a conversation that needs having, but it really is a thorny one!
Nah they 100% arent law abiding good citizens in general, pretty much a scourge on our modern society that has no positive
So how much experience have you had of travellers? Would you say you've met them all? 50% of travellers? Maybe 10%? Maybe less than 1% of travellers?
Would you say it is racist to judge a diverse ethnic group of people based on having met less than 1% of that group? And even then, probably quite a limited experience of the travellers you did meet.
@@mrdaveythebaby living in a caravan and shoplifting isn't a race.
They're a pain in the arse.
@DavidHeffron78 I don't even know how to start toneducate you... but fortunately, I don't have to.
@@mrdaveythebaby educate me. Are you telling me how I should feel about something.
For a bunch of "travellers" they sure did like staying in one place for a long time. Took us ages for them to get them to shift.
And they abuse their kids.
I take it Ava is a big hip hop fan. Ed perfectly described a “producer tag” and then sings Metro Boomin’s Future sung tag - one of the most iconic and right in the public domain right now due to Kendrick’s verse attacking the notion of the big three. Goes right over Ava’s head. 😅
It's interesting how the narrative has never changed over the question of Vagabonds.
its a great word that has changed its use over time.
We could use it now to mean anything, Travellers, Gypsies, Chavs, or anything that is of a slightly or more importantly non-culturally important culture than our, alleged collective culture.
The important thing to remember is it never used by anyone of a culture, other than a culture who does not see itself, as using words entirely based in the 18th centaury.
I just call them a "nuisance".
Why, what have they done? or coursed you to do, to call them a Nuisance?
If this is a statement that comes from direct experience, and has had a significant impact on your life, then fair enough. But i'm fairly sure that your response is made up of media led pretense and lack of moral justification.
HEY BRITS! IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT PRIVATIZED HEALTHCARE LOOKS LIKE, LOOK AT THE UNITED STATES!!!
PROTECT THE NHS AT ALL COSTS!
The sun is utter dogshit though...
Woke Runner Avoids Rwanda With 10k Mile Detour. Incapacity benefit claims at all time high.
Reminder that PoliticsJoe is owned by a venture capital fund.
They're owned by Greencastle Media Group, so not a venture capital fund. And what's your point?
@@flippy66 PoliticsJoe is owned by Greencastle Capital, which is a venture capital fund. PoliticsJoe poses as a left leaning media organisation, which will mislead many.
All the cyclists tuning in for Ava's Cycle Hour.
Education education education. Blairs empty promise.
its liver failure that gives you yellow eyes isnt it?
Lee Anderson is such a massive bellpiece. He is utterly ridiculous, and he doesn't realise that he is being used as a so-called "representative" of the working class by people who will very quickly throw him under a bus when he inevitably loses his seat in the election. He's such a parody of himself.
I cant see Avas legs in this episode. They are either disguised, missing or she did the whole podcast sat at a right angle to hide them under the table.
Wtf?
@@KamHarlot exactly. wtf. where her legs go?
gaddafi was an evertonian
love podcast hate nonsense at the politics je podcast ladies and gentlemen
Could you edit out some of that girls ..uuuhhms
o lordy are we back to 20years ago inside his head 😂
And so, that you can't speak "freely" without breaking the law, this doesn't raise a red flag for you? Hmmm
As an aussie that was a great Gillard impersonation!
9:29 That's a bit woke, punishing people's freedom of speech. I think they should be allowed to speak their mind. Maybe then the people they are trying to get to vote for them will think twice
The lady Ava interviews clearly does not care one bit about the massive harm done to communitites by those she defends. Calling their opponents racist is a nice and easy first step to terrorising people into submission, gaining support in London, which will pressurise police forces and make then toothless. Anderson is dreadful, but not wrong on travellers and you simply wont win anybody over who has loved within a mile of a traveller dump site.
Lee Anderson was correct in what he said spot on.. I loved how they mocked Latino people 👏 maybe they could do Nigerian accents next time
surprised ava wasnt making a joke about male suicide
The famine is over why don't they go home
Of course the middle class have no issues with travelers, they don't have to deal with them. Same with the economic migrants they keep inviting over. As soon as these types start housing them or making them their neighbours, they will be singing a different tune
They dump all the problems of their luxury belief system onto the working class.
Exactly. This one is Scottish as well. What the F**k does it even have to do with him what goes on in England.
@matthewjames1114 what the f**k does anything that goes on in Scotland have to do with England? Yet you seem to want to stick your oar in...
So here is the Reform fan then. Doubtless you'll be joined by some friends soon...
What is the middle class?
I've lived in several areas with significant traveller communities and lived next door to a traveller, a Mr Sean Patrick O'connor. What is your experience of travellers?
As a guess, I'm going to go with seeing caravans and transit vans and maybe a TV show that you hate watched.
It'll be interesting when Lee is kicked out of Reform for being racist 😂
Lee Anderson is constantly spot on.
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Sorry... but... it's I *couldn't* care less...
Most of my traveller family are culturally distinct from Irish people, but very few of them live nomadically. I don’t have contact with them because I’m gay, and I got a lot of abuse from that part of my family growing up.
In my experience, there are lots of incredibly vulnerable people in the traveller community suffering abuse or from alcoholism or placed in situations that isolate them from the wider world.
The response should not be cultural genocide, even though the community has its problems. Stigmatising people and characterising them as inherently criminal will only further an “us v them” culture on both sides.
As a student I worked for a sports club where we had travellers squat in the car park, damaged our facilities, stole equipment, and left rubbish everywhere.
Lots of people have lived experience of harassment and abuse from the traveller community, so I fully understand the prejudices.
But attempts to remove travellers from society will only increase antisocial behaviour. It’s like criminalising homelessness, it doesn’t solve the problems, but it appeals to the right-wing voter as a “common sense solution” because it’s the kind of bullshit half-baked idea your uncle who went to ‘the university of life’ has in a pub.
Lee Anderson is a bottom feeder. Like Katie Hopkins, he lives to create outrage for attention. I kind of feel like discussing his comments when his whole political career is so disingenuous is kind of legitimising him.
Whatever he says it will be clickbait. If Rishi Sunak made these comments, that would warrant discussion, but like, oh the racist said a racism? Yeah, duh. Don’t give him airtime.
Traveller’s rights should be discussed, but maybe this is the wrong lead-in.
I'm a big fan of this podcast, big fan of this channel. But it seems in the last few weeks it has just gotten more and more non-politics focussed. I am not saying I do not find the jokes / tangents / personal stories funny, but the reason I tune in regularly is mostly for astute political analysis, which is quite rapidly dwindling.
Yup, video after video of them simply sniggering like teenagers isnt a way to build credibility. Murray once quipped that Ava didn't have a career and its becoming more apparent with every upload. Stick to your job guys, you arent social media personalities.
I’m a leftie and I find the jokes funny to a point but it quickly becomes beyond tiring.
Misleading title. Labour do not want the NHS privatised at all. They want to utilise the underused private sector to alleviate stress on the NHS, while solutions are put in place.
Labour absolutely do not want the NHS privatised. Why are you spreading misinformation in your headlines?
You may not be born and bred Reform, but have you ANY knowledge of the '80's? Or the concept that with over a decade of Tory rule, this.shit.happens?
Oh, FFS, investing in the NHS would help the NHS, no?
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Can you at least put chapters in this so we can get to the politics it gets really boring sometimes, Too much waffle trying to be funny.
I agree. A few weeks back I had to just turn it off because they were still bantering with inside jokes 30 mins in.
It’s just such a shame that this is the only politics podcast
Just pathetic. Last episode was first time I seen this & was just the same. If I ever want to watch a podcast of 2 sixth formers laughing uncontrollably at their own jokes, unable to understand anything they say, then I'll watch this again, however, I don't anticipate that occurring. It really does feel like two 6 formers, believing themselves to be the funniest thing known to man, have told their friend to just keep filming, as they're naturally comedy gold. Zero thought has gone to the audience, just pure indulgence on their own behalf, with any bits that weren't just these two laughing at themselves, offering no political insight or analysis of any adult level. It's little surprise, with this quality of their content, that Douglas Murray makes her look ludicrous whenever she has been on the same shows as him. This was simply awful.
Fluffing for Douglas Murray in RUclips comments.
It's time to take stock of life bud
@@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420 I would say that it is you that needs to do this, making infantile comments like that, although it would explain why you enjoy such puerile videos as this.
You’re absolutely right
….that’s why I like it!
“Could” care less?!?!