This being my 5th Mercedes, I must say that my 99 S320 is the best that I have ever owned. I have never felt safer when driving. Many thanks to you Pierre for your help.
We have an S500L W140. We got it just for the experience. I service the car myself without any major issues despite having to buy specialist tools. The only suspension issues was the rear outer bushes, which I replaced after buying a tool from China for next to nothing. It's a wonderful experience. My wife has a 1998 AC Schnitzer 540i.
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This was such a nice honest and realistic explaination of what is good and bad about the W140 chassis. I'm so tired of people blowing smoke up my butt and only telling me the good things about this class Mercedes Benz. Great job Pierre.
@@iamher6422 your awesome fro loving the W140 but I don't see you on too MA y video comment section hopefully you didn't give up on them, you know the quality of them, I just bought a Grand edition 1999 W140, fro $2000 it runs and drives beautifully no engine light just cosmetics and paint flaws
MGTOCRETES oh I haven’t- in fact, I’m almost done with my C140 project that I’ve been working on for a couple of yrs, now! 1999 with 115k and NO check engine lights.
Pierre, I watch all your videos and deeply admire your knowledge of classic Mercedes-Benz cars. I always resented a little that you were not very fond of the W140 but with this video I can see you have opened a bit to this masterpiece. I have two W140s: a CL 500 with 22,000 miles and an S 500 with 78,000. Both are amazing and had given me relatively few problems. From the great advice you provide on this video I would add the following: try to look for a late production model (1997-1999), those years most problems had been sorted out and be patient with the door’s soft-close vacuum pump, it is the real Achilles heel of the W140s!
I bought a W140 S320 1995 in Ecuador. Great car so far. I have replaced all fluids, pad, tires, filters, a few hoses and brake lines. All reasonable repairs for a 25 year old car. The car drives great, you feel very safe and comfortable. One issue that I have is that the car is a German edition, or non-US edition and when I look for parts here in the US I get some wrong information. I even had a very experienced mechanic/shop-owner order parts for me and they were wrong. I think I may need a European Auto Part website for better results. Have you experienced this?
Good current summary of a lesser-known model today! Best to buy one armed with as much info. as possible. Perhaps the adage applies most to this model (There's nothing more expensive than a cheap mercedes). As its second owner, my '95 S320 now has 80,000 kms that I've put probably $6K into at the dealer what with a new steering box, timing cover & gaskets, spark plugs/wires, and new battery that is now returning me pretty decent mileage from its 100 Litre gas tank as it rolls tank-like down the highway with nary a vibration from the planted steering wheel - that indefinable mercedes gravitas. I look at it as cheap transportation that is as enjoyable to me as wearing a favourite pair of jeans. Great ABS performance. This car also allows my newer Benz SUV to sit in a heated garage through the worst of the winter months. I do my own oil and filter changes with Mobil 1 synthetic 0-40 European formula and as a prospective owner, you should enjoy learning about its mechanical and operational details - this is a very complex computerized car technologically, but that complexity is never obtrusive, which is its under-the-skin beauty. Just like the W126, its predecessor, these are now getting harder to find in good shape. If you're a lurker at the dealer, you will still see them showing up for spring service - some in absolute mint shape - more than a few owned by Doctors - as was mine.
I love this W140. I just bought one one single own that kept this car for 41,000miles only. Hardly used it by the previous old man. My model is S320L. Totally agreed and because of this video I bought one for myself.
Hello Pierre, I got a 1995 S320. Great car, well kept. Of course, not perfect and needs some TLC. The problem in have is that it is a German version and it is in Ecuador. I bought some parts online in the US and it did not fit the car. I also went to MB independent shop in the US to get parts and some were not the right ones. What would be your advice to get parts for a German version MB?
Just bought my second 92 300 SD. The first one was quite well maintained, but the transmission failed. The second one I just acquired was not quite as well maintained but was much lower mileage. The one thing I would just love to find is a repair manual, or series of manuals, or at least a vacuum line diagram. On the passenger side on both vehicles there is a large vacuum line that is connected to .....nothing. Hmmmmm. Any ideas or references to manuals?
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The W140 does not have ABC, that started in the W220. Also I heard Mercedes does not give out service records on the fly anymore as it's a privacy issue.
Mr. Hedary, I bought a W126, as a project. Are parts for these models still readily available? I restored several other 70’s cars, (Chrysler’s and VW’s) but this is my first experience with a Mercedes. I know I’ll have a very steep curve ahead of me, but I think I’m up to the challenge. Once I get it road worthy, I wish to bring it to Titusville for service and evaluation. Once I restore or improve a classic, I do not part with them....that will be my Children responsibility once I take the final Roadtrip. So, I like big or different cars, although my daily driver is a 2017 Pacifica, ( yes I know I’m weird) I like comfort, and I think this 1985 500 SEL will provide me with that; as my Chrysler’s already do. I find satisfaction to go into my garage (next to my office) and spend a couple of hours every night in one of my projects segments. It takes me a long time (years) to complete them, I like to take apart as much as I can, to clean assess, replace and repair. Once all the pieces are to standards, putting them back together doesn’t take as long. One of my biggest problems is to find good serviceable used parts to recondition. I’ve heard that Mercedes in CA, can get all parts for all models produced. Is it true? Thanks for your contribution. I plan to apply to become a member of MBCA eventually.
Jaime, please email me at mbownersforlife@bellsouth.net...I will be happy to answer any questions you might have. engine and suspension parts, interior and electrical items are readily available. Most exterior trim, weatherstrip and plastic parts are generally available new as well, with some exceptions (dashboards, some color coded trim parts, etc.)
Parts are easy to find for these, despite them being phase 1 cars. I also have a phase 1 w126, but mine is a 380se. They share the same engine, but some things are different, one of course being the displacement. The engine bay in these is nice and big, leaving what you would think is plenty of space to work with. However, such is not the case. There is only enough room to do everything you need to do to it, but nothing more. The electrics in mine all work great and it's been incredibly reliable. They're amazing cars to drive, especially on the highway. However, these engines have 2 Achilles heels. Oiler caps and timing chain and its guide rails. You have to know what you're doing, and you do not want to overlook these replacements. The oiler caps are plastic and have a tendency to snap due to age. If one breaks, you lose valve train lubrication. The timing chain guide rails are also plastic and have a tendency of snapping. The oiler caps, timing chain, camshaft timing chain sprockets, guide rails, and tensioner should be replaced every 150,000 miles. That is most likely the only major service you are going to need to do to the car. Another thing is that you must have the right tools. Be prepared to buy a bunch of tools (at least one new one each time you work on it) until you have a big collection of tools. Don't overlook any service, and especially don't piece it together. Do everything right because not only is that the right way to do it, the car is so much better when properly maintained. Unfortunately most of the ones for sale need thousands of dollars in maintenance, even if you do the work yourself. Mine has needed $3,000 in parts, and it was already a nice car that ran and drove incredibly well. Also, fuel economy isn't great. Mine gets 13 city, 17 highway mpg. They have a 27.3 gallon tank (thankfully). I'm excited for you. You will learn a ton. The end result will be a car to be proud of and a joy to own and drive. P.S. I replaced my original shocks with KYB ones and I have been super impressed with them. They are much cheaper than Bilsteins, and give a very similar ride quality. In addition to being adaptive. They stiffen on rougher pavement and soften on smoother roads to help the car stay very controlled.
The Pierre Hedary Mercedes-Benz Classic Specialist First off, thanks for your excellent channel and for your work on the MB Buyers Guides. For the suggested W124 episode, could you please focus on WHY you recommend this more modern model along with the earlier ones, WHY the w124 is not as "computer gadget laden" as the w140 and later series, and WHY it is DIY owner friendly. Also which model w124 would you recommend? To me the w124 looks less "classic " than the earlier cars and I'm sure viewers would like to know your preference in that series. Thanks again!
Perfect analysis of the incredible w140 line. I’ve owned a ‘93 600 for over 15 years. Had to deal with issues involving the evaporator, wiring harness and suspension. Sane people would have given up and probably would have bought a few new Toyota’s instead of spending what I have invested to date. To me, the car is worth the cost and inconvenience of maintaining every detail and need to its’ most complete level of perfection. The secret is to find the right mechanic who knows and understands the design and the intricacies by which the mechanicals are related and organized. Having the wrong mechanic work on the car will only result in huge repair bills that don’t resolve the issues leading owners to walk away from long term ownership. For that reason, most of these cars are undervalued in a retail setting. Since I’m fortunate enough to have a knowledgeable and trust worthy mechanic, my 600 is kept in pristine condition. As a rule, I see aside $5,000.00 to $8.000.00 a year for repairs. Last year, I spent close to $16,000.00 to correct some major problems. Is it a money pit? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. Why? Because it is more than just a form of transportation. It is the only way to move beyond and ahead of an acceptable state of common. Not to mention it surpasses most everything else on the road.
Greg , Except for how much you spend a year for maintenance,i agree word by word . I have two one is a 600SEL & the other 600SE . I do all maintenance my self with occasionally needing a hoist to get underneath the cars by checking everything . I probably spend less then $500 a year excluding registration cost's . Maybe yours has a defect for you to spend so much or you getting ripped of . You scaring others away which leads to the car being called a Lemon or money pit which it isn't at all . A V12 W140's maintenance is the same like any ordinary other car ,some parts are double that's all. My 10 year ownership of a 500SEL that had basically never ever any problems except in year 9 the lower engine harness needed replacing ,so what , working on the M120 V12 is easier then working on the M119 V8 . Just to mention Greg , Great car .
I love the w140, but if it means setting aside 5k to 8k a year, then someone else can go ahead and enjoy them, if you can call it that. The only way is maybe if I hit the lotto and money is no objection. But why not just get a new one then? Sorry, but there isn’t any reason to own a money pit like this.
@@MercS600W140-600SEL-LORINSER Glad to hear it my friend...I bought my w-140 from the original owner with 117,000 miles on it 2 years ago....never put a dime in it until 4 months ago when I developed a misfire...had it repaired with a new harness and a new computer and runs like it did when it came out of the showroom...the bill was 1400 dollars....the trick is to find them perfectly cared for throughout it's life,if you can find one it's a great value for the finest car ever made.....after the repair I find myself having to look at the RPM'S just to make sure it's running...that's how quiet it is.
the funny part is i have a 99 s500 it loves that e85 u just cant runn it strait so i mix it with premium ..man let me tell ya my car runs great on that mix it bumps the timing up while cleaning the injectors too.never run cheap gas in these!!!! make sure you mix it good 10 bucks e85 .....17 bucks premium.
What about a 1996 W140 s420 V8, what are common things to go wrong with it, and what should I look out for? I'm currently looking into a one owner and very well kept and serviced always at mercedes with all log books but has 270 000k on the clock
What about the AC evaporator core? When new a lot of W140s needed evaporator core replacement which would cost a bomb if not in warranty. Is that issue sorted now?
Hi Pierre, I had this s320 w140 which last week , after driving for 15mins. Temperature shot up close to 120. I stopped and check and discovered that hot water is trying to force out from a rubber hose connector at the radiator, the one thats connected to the water pump. Strangely, only half of the water in the radiator is very hot (near the area of the same connected big hose) and the other half towards the resevoir is very cold. What is the cause of this ? Does it has to do with a faulty water pump ? Hoping to hear from you...TQ
Samsudin, if only half the water is at temperature, it means that the radiator is blocked with sediment or debris, or that the thermostat is bad. The m104 engine in your car uses an 87 degree thermostat, but using an 80 degree from a 300D turbo is better.
Pierre, nicely done...I'm looking for another W140 (3rd one) and yes I've suffered too: installed the upper and lower wiring harness; the thottle body harness too; the plastic bearing in the wiper motor; ASR-ABS light, limp mode, etc, etc, and STILL want anothe one. Fabulous cars for the money. Please watch out for a '98-'99 S500 with low miles, 1-2 owner Florida car for me so I can come and see it from Daytona Beach. Coming to the Rolex on the 26th? You should have my number and can reach me through the club. The Grand Edition is my "goal" and I've located one here 2 miles away but the owner wants $11,000 for it (63K on it) and I'm at $8000.- so we probably won't strike a deal. In fact, I'll give you a call. Douglas deBoard, GAT German Auto Tours
Hello did you ever find a w140? I would have bought that Grand edition for $10 it was worth it if she would take it. I just purchased a w140 Grand edition has 145k miles paid only $2000 yes that's right he had no idea what he had, unfortunately him and his son purchased it from the original owner and drove it into the ground for 3 years, it's insane how some people treat these, there is a few door dings front and rear bumpers need to be repainted, bushings, and full wood Renewal project, cracking from beingeft in sun that alone will be $1400 to make wood like new not bad I'm looking around $5500 to bring this beast back to close to perfect
Thanks for the videos very interesting. Have you done a review / how to buy video that would include the 2005 / S500 ? Looking at one with 130k that has had excellent care.Thanks
yes...you need a knock off SDS and xentry module...for about $900.00 you can buy a complete set up. It simulates the hand held tester and works pretty well
Hi Mr. Pierre. I gotta choose between a C240 w202 1998 and a S320 W140 1994. Both in good shape and almost same miles. What would you sugggest? Thank you Cheers.
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Doug, I think it's a matter of preference...the CL (c140) has some similar issues as the w140, but the seatbelt retractors and the higher level of tech on the c140 make it more of a challenge.
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 Theres a nice C140.. CL600 (1999) for sale in Calif. I think 40k miles, they are asking $30k which is high, but as you said it could be worth it to pay the premium for a single owner low miles car w maint. history!
+The Pierre Hedary Mercedes-Benz Classic Specialist Hi Pierre! I own a euro 1985 500SEL, and it has been utterly reliable in the past 20yrs I have owned it with very few inexpensive repairs. I have been wanting to get a newer S Class..but it seems like they are all expensive to maintain with so many electronics and expensive AIRMATICS suspensions. Am I correct in thinking this..or is there a newer S Class model than mine that shouldn't be expensive to maintain? I was going to purchase a 98 or 99 W140 S500..but people have warned me to look for another W126 instead due to expensive maintenance and repairs required by the W140. Would love your opinion on this and thanks for the great videos!
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I had both a w140 s500 and a w126, both were money pits and both required expensive repairs and both were expensive to maintain. I still love them though.
you can!!! They are 100 percewnt compatible. The fuel shut off solenoid needs a 12 volt power supply directly from the ignition system to work, but otherwise they are the same.
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@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 Is that Grand Edition sti for sale I can't Login they require a membership, or if you have any for sale I'm very interested in another w140
I found a 1994 S500 sedan than I’m going to look at tomorrow. The car has 200k miles and is $1,800. It looks very clean from the pictures and description. A couple of paint ships put no rust spots that I can tell. I guess I’ll have to see it to confirm that. The owner said he has had it for 7 years and replaced the wiring harness, and throttle body. According to the owner it has no problems. It’s the S500 LWB Model with all the options including heated seats. Do you think it would be a worthwhile purchase for $1,800 as a secondary / weekend car?
My w140's front passenger window is completely fogged up! I know its a double pane, but is there anything I can do to fix other than to buy an expensive replacement?
Hi pierre and thanks for this video, my question is not related to this video, but I need help My car is w 202 c200 1998 after a while of starting the car the engine starts to goes up and down, I know it’s probably the idle but I can’t locate the idle so can you please help me, thanks for your reply
surging idle on an m111 engine is almost always tied to a vacuum leak. Check the vacuum line at the EGR connection and at the intake throttle actuator.
Gaurav Tewari I do not recommend the S280 or V6. Underpowered for the sheer weight of the car and, as a result, are over stressed. Leads to faster overall wear on the engine. Try to find a V8 model. S420 and, especially S500 are the most reliable.
The wiring harnesses... They go bad. If you ever get one, just build one yourself and save the $750.00.... Unless if you happen to be that one lucky guy who found one on eBay for $300 or less
My 1997 S500 is all original except for expendable normal wear and tear items. That being said my S500 has just turned 282,000 miles on the clock and is going strong with no issues.
I know you're a purist. And I know you echo what every other sane MBZ mechanic has ever told me... ...the W140 WILL be a maintenance nightmare, and NOT for the feint of heart/skill/wallet. However, in this one case, will you please cede your puritanical code of mbz ethics? - Okay, at the very least, give me this... ...If there was ever a case for a MBZ Resto-Mod, isn't the W140 EXACTLY IT?!! And in said modification, an astute designer would address all of it's shortcomings. What say you?
1) w140s350 diesel - one of the worst mercedes engines ever (was removed from MB all lines after just 2 years!); 2) w140 do NOT have ABC - so take all of what this guy says with a big grain of salt
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sam, you're right...it's not ABC....so what do they call their body control system? SLS? Anyway, my apologies for the error. And i don;t have a lot of w140 experience, either.
This being my 5th Mercedes, I must say that my 99 S320 is the best that I have ever owned. I have never felt safer when driving. Many thanks to you Pierre for your help.
We have an S500L W140. We got it just for the experience. I service the car myself without any major issues despite having to buy specialist tools. The only suspension issues was the rear outer bushes, which I replaced after buying a tool from China for next to nothing. It's a wonderful experience. My wife has a 1998 AC Schnitzer 540i.
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the trick with the w140 is exactly that...learn the car's ins and outs yourself
I love W126 and W140. They are the best!!!
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This was such a nice honest and realistic explaination of what is good and bad about the W140 chassis. I'm so tired of people blowing smoke up my butt and only telling me the good things about this class Mercedes Benz. Great job Pierre.
Go Benzworld online W140 forum section ,click on the Sticky Buyers Guide,all you need to know it's there .
Kenneth one thing I’ve experienced with W140’s is that their plastics suck a#s. Simply touch’em and they literally crumble into dust. Smdh
@@iamher6422 your awesome fro loving the W140 but I don't see you on too MA y video comment section hopefully you didn't give up on them, you know the quality of them, I just bought a Grand edition 1999 W140, fro $2000 it runs and drives beautifully no engine light just cosmetics and paint flaws
MGTOCRETES oh I haven’t- in fact, I’m almost done with my C140 project that I’ve been working on for a couple of yrs, now!
1999 with 115k and NO check engine lights.
Pierre, I watch all your videos and deeply admire your knowledge of classic Mercedes-Benz cars. I always resented a little that you were not very fond of the W140 but with this video I can see you have opened a bit to this masterpiece. I have two W140s: a CL 500 with 22,000 miles and an S 500 with 78,000. Both are amazing and had given me relatively few problems. From the great advice you provide on this video I would add the following: try to look for a late production model (1997-1999), those years most problems had been sorted out and be patient with the door’s soft-close vacuum pump, it is the real Achilles heel of the W140s!
I bought a W140 S320 1995 in Ecuador. Great car so far. I have replaced all fluids, pad, tires, filters, a few hoses and brake lines. All reasonable repairs for a 25 year old car. The car drives great, you feel very safe and comfortable.
One issue that I have is that the car is a German edition, or non-US edition and when I look for parts here in the US I get some wrong information. I even had a very experienced mechanic/shop-owner order parts for me and they were wrong. I think I may need a European Auto Part website for better results. Have you experienced this?
Good current summary of a lesser-known model today! Best to buy one armed with as much info. as possible. Perhaps the adage applies most to this model (There's nothing more expensive than a cheap mercedes). As its second owner, my '95 S320 now has 80,000 kms that I've put probably $6K into at the dealer what with a new steering box, timing cover & gaskets, spark plugs/wires, and new battery that is now returning me pretty decent mileage from its 100 Litre gas tank as it rolls tank-like down the highway with nary a vibration from the planted steering wheel - that indefinable mercedes gravitas. I look at it as cheap transportation that is as enjoyable to me as wearing a favourite pair of jeans. Great ABS performance. This car also allows my newer Benz SUV to sit in a heated garage through the worst of the winter months. I do my own oil and filter changes with Mobil 1 synthetic 0-40 European formula and as a prospective owner, you should enjoy learning about its mechanical and operational details - this is a very complex computerized car technologically, but that complexity is never obtrusive, which is its under-the-skin beauty. Just like the W126, its predecessor, these are now getting harder to find in good shape. If you're a lurker at the dealer, you will still see them showing up for spring service - some in absolute mint shape - more than a few owned by Doctors - as was mine.
I love this W140. I just bought one one single own that kept this car for 41,000miles only. Hardly used it by the previous old man. My model is S320L. Totally agreed and because of this video I bought one for myself.
Boo. S500 or nothing.
Thats what Im always saying! Im fine with the 320. I don't ride hard anyways...
Hello Pierre, I got a 1995 S320. Great car, well kept. Of course, not perfect and needs some TLC. The problem in have is that it is a German version and it is in Ecuador. I bought some parts online in the US and it did not fit the car. I also went to MB independent shop in the US to get parts and some were not the right ones. What would be your advice to get parts for a German version MB?
Just bought my second 92 300 SD. The first one was quite well maintained, but the transmission failed. The second one I just acquired was not quite as well maintained but was much lower mileage. The one thing I would just love to find is a repair manual, or series of manuals, or at least a vacuum line diagram. On the passenger side on both vehicles there is a large vacuum line that is connected to .....nothing. Hmmmmm. Any ideas or references to manuals?
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Mark, on mercedes startekinfo site there is a section called workshop information systems (WIS). you can buy access to all this info on that site.
I am the 2nd owner of a 1997 S 600 with 53,000 Km. I feel the SLS rear suspensión is kind of hard in road imperfections. The rear componentes
Excellent. Concise. Informative.
The W140 does not have ABC, that started in the W220. Also I heard Mercedes does not give out service records on the fly anymore as it's a privacy issue.
bruh, it has for the rear a hydraulic suspension
Samamah Mohammed My 1999 CL500 has ABC. It’s pretty much a W140 dressed in a coupé outfit. 🤷🏼♀️
Sam is right, obviously Pierre misspoke here and meant to say self leveling suspension (SLS). The 140 does not have active body control system (ABC)
Mr. Hedary, I bought a W126, as a project. Are parts for these models still readily available?
I restored several other 70’s cars, (Chrysler’s and VW’s) but this is my first experience with a Mercedes.
I know I’ll have a very steep curve ahead of me, but I think I’m up to the challenge. Once I get it road worthy, I wish to bring it to Titusville for service and evaluation.
Once I restore or improve a classic, I do not part with them....that will be my Children responsibility once I take the final Roadtrip. So, I like big or different cars, although my daily driver is a 2017 Pacifica, ( yes I know I’m weird) I like comfort, and I think this 1985 500 SEL will provide me with that; as my Chrysler’s already do. I find satisfaction to go into my garage (next to my office) and spend a couple of hours every night in one of my projects segments. It takes me a long time (years) to complete them, I like to take apart as much as I can, to clean assess, replace and repair. Once all the pieces are to standards, putting them back together doesn’t take as long. One of my biggest problems is to find good serviceable used parts to recondition. I’ve heard that Mercedes in CA, can get all parts for all models produced. Is it true?
Thanks for your contribution. I plan to apply to become a member of MBCA eventually.
Jaime, please email me at mbownersforlife@bellsouth.net...I will be happy to answer any questions you might have. engine and suspension parts, interior and electrical items are readily available. Most exterior trim, weatherstrip and plastic parts are generally available new as well, with some exceptions (dashboards, some color coded trim parts, etc.)
Parts are easy to find for these, despite them being phase 1 cars. I also have a phase 1 w126, but mine is a 380se. They share the same engine, but some things are different, one of course being the displacement. The engine bay in these is nice and big, leaving what you would think is plenty of space to work with. However, such is not the case. There is only enough room to do everything you need to do to it, but nothing more. The electrics in mine all work great and it's been incredibly reliable. They're amazing cars to drive, especially on the highway. However, these engines have 2 Achilles heels. Oiler caps and timing chain and its guide rails. You have to know what you're doing, and you do not want to overlook these replacements. The oiler caps are plastic and have a tendency to snap due to age. If one breaks, you lose valve train lubrication. The timing chain guide rails are also plastic and have a tendency of snapping. The oiler caps, timing chain, camshaft timing chain sprockets, guide rails, and tensioner should be replaced every 150,000 miles. That is most likely the only major service you are going to need to do to the car. Another thing is that you must have the right tools. Be prepared to buy a bunch of tools (at least one new one each time you work on it) until you have a big collection of tools. Don't overlook any service, and especially don't piece it together. Do everything right because not only is that the right way to do it, the car is so much better when properly maintained. Unfortunately most of the ones for sale need thousands of dollars in maintenance, even if you do the work yourself. Mine has needed $3,000 in parts, and it was already a nice car that ran and drove incredibly well.
Also, fuel economy isn't great. Mine gets 13 city, 17 highway mpg. They have a 27.3 gallon tank (thankfully). I'm excited for you. You will learn a ton. The end result will be a car to be proud of and a joy to own and drive.
P.S. I replaced my original shocks with KYB ones and I have been super impressed with them. They are much cheaper than Bilsteins, and give a very similar ride quality. In addition to being adaptive. They stiffen on rougher pavement and soften on smoother roads to help the car stay very controlled.
hi can u please do a video about the w124 please ????
what would you like to see? Is there a specific model you would like for us to review?
The Pierre Hedary Mercedes-Benz Classic Specialist First off, thanks for your excellent channel and for your work on the MB Buyers Guides. For the suggested W124 episode, could you please focus on WHY you recommend this more modern model along with the earlier ones, WHY the w124 is not as "computer gadget laden" as the w140 and later series, and WHY it is DIY owner friendly. Also which model w124 would you recommend? To me the w124 looks less "classic " than the earlier cars and I'm sure viewers would like to know your preference in that series. Thanks again!
Great car! The E Classe is very special for its luxury and smaller statute as compared to the 140, and 126. Hence the AMG Hammer. Good call!
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 Pierre, any video that you produce with you're calibre of expertise....is worth watching! Bravo!
Aré not leaking oil . The car came with 8 year old tires that looks fine. Where eles should I look into? Eduardo
Perfect analysis of the incredible w140 line. I’ve owned a ‘93 600 for over 15 years. Had to deal with issues involving the evaporator, wiring harness and suspension. Sane people would have given up and probably would have bought a few new Toyota’s instead of spending what I have invested to date. To me, the car is worth the cost and inconvenience of maintaining every detail and need to its’ most complete level of perfection. The secret is to find the right mechanic who knows and understands the design and the intricacies by which the mechanicals are related and organized. Having the wrong mechanic work on the car will only result in huge repair bills that don’t resolve the issues leading owners to walk away from long term ownership. For that reason, most of these cars are undervalued in a retail setting. Since I’m fortunate enough to have a knowledgeable and trust worthy mechanic, my 600 is kept in pristine condition. As a rule, I see aside $5,000.00 to $8.000.00 a year for repairs. Last year, I spent close to $16,000.00 to correct some major problems. Is it a money pit? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes. Why? Because it is more than just a form of transportation. It is the only way to move beyond and ahead of an acceptable state of common. Not to mention it surpasses most everything else on the road.
I'm glad you're enjoying your w140. The s600/600SEL is the only mercedes that offers sacco design characteristics with an unforgettable powertrain.
Greg , Except for how much you spend a year for maintenance,i agree word by word . I have two one is a 600SEL & the other 600SE . I do all maintenance my self with occasionally needing a hoist to get underneath the cars by checking everything . I probably spend less then $500 a year excluding registration cost's .
Maybe yours has a defect for you to spend so much or you getting ripped of .
You scaring others away which leads to the car being called a Lemon or money pit which it isn't at all . A V12 W140's maintenance is the same like any ordinary other car ,some parts are double that's all.
My 10 year ownership of a 500SEL that had basically never ever any problems except in year 9 the lower engine harness needed replacing ,so what , working on the M120 V12 is easier then working on the M119 V8 .
Just to mention Greg , Great car .
@@MercS600W140-600SEL-LORINSER .Me too...the harness was bio-degradable...the engine heat ruins it...can't figure they be so dumb
I love the w140, but if it means setting aside 5k to 8k a year, then someone else can go ahead and enjoy them, if you can call it that. The only way is maybe if I hit the lotto and money is no objection. But why not just get a new one then?
Sorry, but there isn’t any reason to own a money pit like this.
@@MercS600W140-600SEL-LORINSER Glad to hear it my friend...I bought my w-140 from the original owner with 117,000 miles on it 2 years ago....never put a dime in it until 4 months ago when I developed a misfire...had it repaired with a new harness and a new computer and runs like it did when it came out of the showroom...the bill was 1400 dollars....the trick is to find them perfectly cared for throughout it's life,if you can find one it's a great value for the finest car ever made.....after the repair I find myself having to look at the RPM'S just to make sure it's running...that's how quiet it is.
the funny part is i have a 99 s500 it loves that e85 u just cant runn it strait so i mix it with premium ..man let me tell ya
my car runs great on that mix
it bumps the timing up while cleaning the injectors too.never run cheap gas in these!!!!
make sure you mix it good 10 bucks e85 .....17 bucks premium.
time traveler are we there yet i love putting premium fuel in, can is definitely faster I’m using 99 compared to 95
What about a 1996 W140 s420 V8, what are common things to go wrong with it, and what should I look out for? I'm currently looking into a one owner and very well kept and serviced always at mercedes with all log books but has 270 000k on the clock
What about the AC evaporator core? When new a lot of W140s needed evaporator core replacement which would cost a bomb if not in warranty. Is that issue sorted now?
it's still an ongoing issue...even the new ones leak.
Why do you basically never make videos on the W124??
Hi Pierre, I had this s320 w140 which last week , after driving for 15mins. Temperature shot up close to 120. I stopped and check and discovered that hot water is trying to force out from a rubber hose connector at the radiator, the one thats connected to the water pump. Strangely, only half of the water in the radiator is very hot (near the area of the same connected big hose) and the other half towards the resevoir is very cold. What is the cause of this ? Does it has to do with a faulty water pump ? Hoping to hear from you...TQ
Samsudin,
if only half the water is at temperature, it means that the radiator is blocked with sediment or debris, or that the thermostat is bad. The m104 engine in your car uses an 87 degree thermostat, but using an 80 degree from a 300D turbo is better.
good answer
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 are the W123 300D thermostats a direct swap?
I have S350 turbodiesel mb. how can l adjust the idle? it showes 5 now. l need it to be 8
Pierre, nicely done...I'm looking for another W140 (3rd one) and yes I've suffered too: installed the upper and lower wiring harness; the thottle body harness too; the plastic bearing in the wiper motor; ASR-ABS light, limp mode, etc, etc, and STILL want anothe one. Fabulous cars for the money.
Please watch out for a '98-'99 S500 with low miles, 1-2 owner Florida car for me so I can come and see it from Daytona Beach. Coming to the Rolex on the 26th? You should have my number and can reach me through the club. The Grand Edition is my "goal" and I've located one here 2 miles away but the owner wants $11,000 for it (63K on it) and I'm at $8000.- so we probably won't strike a deal.
In fact, I'll give you a call.
Douglas deBoard, GAT German Auto Tours
Doug, great to hear from you. I guess if you are going to buy a w140 get the newest one you can. I won't be at Rolex though.
Hello did you ever find a w140?
I would have bought that Grand edition for $10 it was worth it if she would take it.
I just purchased a w140 Grand edition has 145k miles paid only $2000 yes that's right he had no idea what he had, unfortunately him and his son purchased it from the original owner and drove it into the ground for 3 years, it's insane how some people treat these, there is a few door dings front and rear bumpers need to be repainted, bushings, and full wood Renewal project, cracking from beingeft in sun that alone will be $1400 to make wood like new not bad I'm looking around $5500 to bring this beast back to close to perfect
Pierre please more videos about w140
I am going to cover strictly engines on these cars, if that's ok with you.
The Pierre Hedary Mercedes-Benz Classic Specialist do u work on them it’s cl500 1995
Pierre you are an institution , regarding Merced3s Benz, keep up the good work,👍👍👍👍👍👍👍✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌
Thanks for the videos very interesting. Have you done a review / how to buy video that would include the 2005 / S500 ? Looking at one with 130k that has had excellent care.Thanks
Bobby,
these cars are not our speciality. I'm sorry.
What scanner would your recommend for a W140/C140? Would a Chinese Star Tool knock off do the same job as an original one?
yes...you need a knock off SDS and xentry module...for about $900.00 you can buy a complete set up. It simulates the hand held tester and works pretty well
What about 3.0 Diesel from 96-98? Is it better than 3.5?
Hi Mr. Pierre.
I gotta choose between a C240 w202 1998 and a S320 W140 1994. Both in good shape and almost same miles. What would you sugggest?
Thank you
Cheers.
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the c230...much simpler.
Thank you very much , Mr. Pierre. Cheers!😊
bollocks the c240 is a much nicer car than c230 v6 vs straght 4
Hi pierre thank you for video and tips im going to buy w140 and with om606 engine any advice to help me thank you
Are the common issues for the W140 the same for the CL series? What is the benefit of a CL600 vs the CL500, besides have V12 badging?
Doug, I think it's a matter of preference...the CL (c140) has some similar issues as the w140, but the seatbelt retractors and the higher level of tech on the c140 make it more of a challenge.
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 Theres a nice C140.. CL600 (1999) for sale in Calif. I think 40k miles, they are asking $30k which is high, but as you said it could be worth it to pay the premium for a single owner low miles car w maint. history!
no, it's too high.
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Hi Pierre! I own a euro 1985 500SEL, and it has been utterly reliable in the past 20yrs I have owned it with very few inexpensive repairs. I have been wanting to get a newer S Class..but it seems like they are all expensive to maintain with so many electronics and expensive AIRMATICS suspensions. Am I correct in thinking this..or is there a newer S Class model than mine that shouldn't be expensive to maintain? I was going to purchase a 98 or 99 W140 S500..but people have warned me to look for another W126 instead due to expensive maintenance and repairs required by the W140. Would love your opinion on this and thanks for the great videos!
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STICK WITH YOUR W126!!
I had both a w140 s500 and a w126, both were money pits and both required expensive repairs and both were expensive to maintain. I still love them though.
a 98 or 99 w140 are reliable cars its the early ones that cost funny money
Can I use the twin zeniths off a 1971 280s on a 1970 250c?
you can!!! They are 100 percewnt compatible. The fuel shut off solenoid needs a 12 volt power supply directly from the ignition system to work, but otherwise they are the same.
How about the video on the W123 240d 1981 with a 4 speed manual.
we're finishing an '83 we want to do a video on...one owner and 430k miles
Iam looking to purchase W140 model 94 s500 very nice condition what is your advice for this model
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www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1999-Mercedes-W140-S500-%22Grand-Edition%22-1-of-600-made%21-7393491
i know the owner
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 Is that Grand Edition sti for sale I can't Login they require a membership, or if you have any for sale I'm very interested in another w140
I found a 1994 S500 sedan than I’m going to look at tomorrow. The car has 200k miles and is $1,800. It looks very clean from the pictures and description. A couple of paint ships put no rust spots that I can tell. I guess I’ll have to see it to confirm that. The owner said he has had it for 7 years and replaced the wiring harness, and throttle body. According to the owner it has no problems. It’s the S500 LWB Model with all the options including heated seats. Do you think it would be a worthwhile purchase for $1,800 as a secondary / weekend car?
I would buy a w126... these w140s are impossible
Not true about getting service records from a dealership. I tried they were not helpful.
well, sometimes they are. , sorry it didn;t work out.
What other channel answers literally every question in the comments?!
is the s500 a gas guzzler, does it consume much fuel. Do you think it is wise to own one now
it is a gas guzzler...15mpg on premium....you need star diagnosis to keep it up electornically
15 mpg is not that bad! My CLK320 is a bout 18mpg on premium-and thats a 6cyl.
i have 1997 S500 that get around 18 in city and nearly 30 on highway cruising at around 65-75 mph. According to the fuel economy gage on the dash.
My w140's front passenger window is completely fogged up! I know its a double pane, but is there anything I can do to fix other than to buy an expensive replacement?
buy a used one...preferably from a dry climate
Hi pierre and thanks for this video, my question is not related to this video, but I need help
My car is w 202 c200 1998 after a while of starting the car the engine starts to goes up and down, I know it’s probably the idle but I can’t locate the idle so can you please help me, thanks for your reply
surging idle on an m111 engine is almost always tied to a vacuum leak. Check the vacuum line at the EGR connection and at the intake throttle actuator.
in fact, check all vacuum connections. make sure the inside of the throttle actuator is free of carbon too.
Thanks pierre , I will check the vacuum and tell you what I found, thanks again
almost impossible to find 1995 s350
I know of one!
Do you still know of one?
Best w140 are the 97-99 s500
yes. this is proving to be true.
Hey I am getting a w140 s280 petrol how's it? Any idea what should i check before buying it :)
Gaurav Tewari I do not recommend the S280 or V6. Underpowered for the sheer weight of the car and, as a result, are over stressed. Leads to faster overall wear on the engine. Try to find a V8 model. S420 and, especially S500 are the most reliable.
looking at a 1998 s600 anything in paticular i should watch out for? great video by the way
The wiring harnesses... They go bad. If you ever get one, just build one yourself and save the $750.00.... Unless if you happen to be that one lucky guy who found one on eBay for $300 or less
Hi, need for information about 92 w140 turbo diesel 3.4
Like engine failure .I have one with 169.000 miles no problem.want to know about .thanks
the wiring harness issue was problem for model years 1996 prior back to 1992. your 1998 should be fine
My 1997 S500 is all original except for expendable normal wear and tear items. That being said my S500 has just turned 282,000 miles on the clock and is going strong with no issues.
I know you're a purist.
And I know you echo what every other sane MBZ mechanic has ever told me...
...the W140 WILL be a maintenance nightmare, and NOT for the feint of heart/skill/wallet.
However, in this one case, will you please cede your puritanical code of mbz ethics?
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Okay, at the very least, give me this...
...If there was ever a case for a MBZ Resto-Mod, isn't the W140 EXACTLY IT?!!
And in said modification, an astute designer would address all of it's shortcomings.
What say you?
I don't believe it! You're saying something NICE about the 140?? Next you'll be nice to the R129s! LOL!!
S350 diesel most reliable my ass, that is the famous 'rod bender'. Rookie mistake, I would not trust this guy.
the s350 is actually a good car. Also, I don't trust myself either.
yeah, and Hillary won the elections, right?!
lol....nope. thank God.
The s350 is BY FAR the most reliable once you swap out the rod bender 3.5 with a 3.0 603 =)
1) w140s350 diesel - one of the worst mercedes engines ever (was removed from MB all lines after just 2 years!); 2) w140 do NOT have ABC - so take all of what this guy says with a big grain of salt
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sam, you're right...it's not ABC....so what do they call their body control system? SLS? Anyway, my apologies for the error. And i don;t have a lot of w140 experience, either.
Endless money pits.