Let's Play: Bar Billiards
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2014
- Bar billiards is a little-known British pub game. And in the tradition of video game "let's plays" -- only in the real world -- I got some folks together for a match.
THE RULES: Pot the balls in the holes. Each hole's worth some points. Red ball's worth double. Don't knock over the pegs. And you only score those points when you play a legal shot that doesn't pot anything. Don't worry, you'll work it out soon enough.
FEATURING:
MATT: standupmaths.com - @standupmaths
IZZY: @izkirk
JIM: singingbanana.com - @jamesgrime
TOM: tomscott.com - @tomscott
WITH:
MATT GRAY on camera: mattg.co.uk - @unnamedculprit
MICHELLE MARTIN editing: / @onthecrux - @mrsmmartin
THANKS TO:
THE PEMBURY TAVERN in Hackney. (They accept Bitcoin.)
Need more of these "Tom Scott plays pub games with mathematicians" videos.
+Zach M correction: mathematicians and a random hot vlogger
Hear! Hear!
they should do Crokinole next
More Izzy
I'm so glad they didn't listen you, some random person on the internet.
I love how they're like, "Okay are you ready?" *starts the time* "Oh by the way, here's the rest of the rules"
"Unless it's really awesome" is an actual rule in D&D.
The Rule of Cool
Which is how I convinced my DM to let me use Divine Flame to make a flaming whip, despite Divine Flame not normally creating fire
Well it's not an official rule, but it's officially encouraged which is good enough.
What’s D&D
@@harryferrett9420 Dungeons and dragons
"These tables are very rare, only one manufacturer still makes them"
*passes a massive pint over the table*
I'm not an anxious person but wow did I start cringing when they did that.
But a pint is a unit of volume it always the same. There is no difference between a small pint and massive pint. They are both pints.
@@lordomacron3719 but steel is heavier than feathers
@@zperk13 nope Steel has more Mass than a feather but both fall at the same rate in a gavitiy well (assuming no other forces are acting on them such as air resitance) Weight and Mass are not the same thing.
@@lordomacron3719 Zachary Perkins was just having fun. Of course a ton of steel weighs more than a ton of feathers. Everyone knows that.
"This is against the clock, are you ready? GO!"
"Right let's discuss the rules"
😂😂🤣🤣
Right!? I'm like "WHY DIDNT YOU GO OVER THE RULES BEFORE YOU STARTED THE TIMER?!?!?!?"
@@alleny2971 Rule of hustling "Never let the other person figure out your tricks and you'll win every time".
Tick..tick..tick..
Ohhhh..
Exactly what I was thinking!
Oh that was so frustrating.
Best part: 6:57 Matt “Can you walk me through the strategy? I though you would’ve tried to sink that in the hole” Tom “I did”
brutal blow by Matt
+
Actual best part: 15:43
@@quinn7894 JIM IS PRO!
Their names are like something I would see in a 6th grade math test. "If Izzy has 450 points and Matt has more than Tom..."
... , then how many does Jim have?
Alex Roberts 0. Too pro for this world.
+Ror shach None, because they're all at the end of the table.
Nowadays its "if mohammed islam had 8 camels, and osama bin laden had twice as many as jihadi john, and jihadi john had 4 camels for every 1 mohammed had, who has the most camels?"
For some reason the names in my mathbooks always had someone named Juan in it's problems.
1:21
"Do you feel the pressure?"
"Well,tecnically I'm feeling a bar...."
get out
@@maruftim HAHAH
Do you have a wardrobe full of just jeans and a red t-shirt
+TumbleGamer yes he has
+TumbleGamer he actually did a video on that. he buys them in bulk
He's like one of those cartoon characters that has the same exact clothes on all the time, and then they make a joke showing that their wardrobe is filled with 20 copies of the same outfit
So basically he's the techie version of Lindybeige.
As Matt has put it, "Red t-shirt, red t-shirt, red t-shirt, red t-shirt, blue jeans, blue jeans, suit."
Holy crap, that game looks like fun. And yet I'm almost certainly never going to get the chance to try it. I'm mildly tempted to build one!
I saw one the other day in Hampton, London at a pub called the jolly coopers
That's kind of near my ends 🤔. Anyone wanna challenge me?
I really wanna play but I live in america.
Here is a map of the tables in the UK. I don't know if it's up to date though. www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=51.447159999999975%2C-1.1920169999999643&spn=1.900042%2C6.696167&hl=en&msa=0&z=8&ie=UTF8&mid=121vKyQp_liiacuYzTjQk39QzsZk
verdatum I have one for sale if you want it??
Tom giggling at the balls will drop proves why he's so enjoyable to watch.
15:45 I am amazed at the flawless execution of a triple potted turn
Absolute legend
So.. The dude from numberphile knows the dude from computerphile? Awesome
One of them are on both numberphile and computerphile, and james grime is sometimes on numberphile
+Vikkie Lolo
The guy who made sixty symbols (Brady) also made numberphile and computerphile, these people are just some of the most commonly interviewed people on those channels but they also have their own channels
All three men are on Brady's channels
Tommy Thai who's Brandy? XDD
Liam Dienemann my bad... Edited.
how and why did this fall out of fashion? this looks brilliant
American pool took over from this game but in my opinion Bar Billiards is a far better game.
***** Dammit america... Ruining good things yet again *shakes fist*
***** I also like bar billiards a little more than pool, but I think snooker beats both :)
Well, considering that the "standard" rectangular 6-hole table can be used for a lot of different billiard games besides 8-ball (9-ball, cutthroat, rotation, etc.), it makes sense that it would take over as the standard table.
This isn't to say that the other kinds aren't fun. This game looks fun, as well as bumper pool, which I have a table of. And I'm sure that there are plenty of other games that use other fancy pool tables. The standard is just the most common, which is probably why 8-ball is so popular.
I think the main reason it fell out of popularity is that you have to pay very close attention to the game to score it and the rules are relatively complex.
Well, I tried making my own out of a pool table, but the barman heard my hole saw and threw me out the pub.
Some people just don't appreciate a good game of bar billiards.
:p
@@shenghan9385 why that emote
@@farrel_ra (") (")?
James, Matt and Scott all in the same video?? Awesome!
Two Matts.
I know!
James, Double-Matt, and Tom!
And that mysterious Matt clone that pops up in the background every once in a while...
...And someone named Izzy!
James Grime + Matt Parker + Tom Scott = Pure awesome
Also, this introduced me to a new maths blog(Izzy's), so bonus points for that
Izzy has a RUclips channel? I didn't see a link.
@@SumNutOnU2b its 8 yrs ago, not yet linking that time
James Grime sinking those last balls like a boss.
And that's how you play bar billiards.
@@quinn7894 he probably felt incredibly cool and I don't blame him.
"I don't know how I'll get anything"
*Proceeds to get ALL OF THEM*
Parker, Grime and Scott - all my favourite youtubers in one video!
Same
All they need is Dr. Poliakoff.
*Sir Poliakoff
Sir *Martyn
GPS
Anybody else kept getting distracted by the Matt clone in the background.
It's the real Matt.
DJ JoriX no the other one
@@joeyscerbo7776 Matt Parker or Matt Gray?
@@djjorix50 It's like there's Matt Gray filming, but there's also a Matt Gray at the background watching!
You mean there's a Parker Matt?
6:58 funniest British joke I've ever heard.
Even funnier when you realise Matt wasn't joking, he genuinely didn't think Grimes could have missed it by accident. Anyone who watched a lot of Matts vids would know he can't deadpan so brutally, he's too sweet. It was funny though :)
@@slinkytreekreeper and also a little drunk one thinks.
Ironic since Matt is Australian
@@slinkytreekreeper But it was Tom that missed it...
My main question is: why doesn't the foldy-downy-hole-protector protect the 30 point holes?
Because it's a hole score sign, not meant to protect the back row but useful with limited space.
Because if the players know anything about how to play, then the balls never get close to those corners! :-)
I love bar billiards. Our local pub got rid of their table and I was gutted. I just couldn't believe a bunch of really intelligent people would start the timer and then begin to explain the rules. It's normally hilarious to watch people who don't know how to play put their money in and then try to work out how to play while the timer ticks down - I remember watching some guys who didn't even put the back board up when they started so half the holes were covered up the whole time.
Hmmm maybe you could have explained it to em?
1:40 Suggestion, explain the rules BEFORE your balls drop.
But you're not allowed into the pub before your balls drop...
Melchior Beta
hahaha. Rereading my comment, I was thinking the same thing. That is BEFORE I read you reply.
+Eric Taylor So sorry, I couldn't resist... ^^
Melchior Beta
Nothing to apologist for mate. It was funny. It gave me a laugh, and I have needed that considering all the bullshit going in in Paris and Nice and Munich and Turkey and...over the last few weeks.
You know the bit in blockbusters where there's a timer on a bomb or something and the hero spends half the timer confessing his love to the romantic lead rather than disarming the bomb and it makes you, the viewer, really pissed off? That's exactly how I felt while they were discussing the rules while the timer was on.
the most interesting thing in the video is figuring out how the scoreboard works
Well I'm 3 years late but any way: the most left switch are your 10's, the middles your 100's and (I assume) the right switch are your 1000's. So 3540, would be the left switch at 4, middle at 5 and right at 3
@@maartenvandijk3629 good thing your super late because i never would have seen this either
It took me at least 15 minutes to figure out
U must be a kid then, it was mechanical scoreboard like in soccer or other sports/games, theres no digital system that time
I recognize james' fake smile at the end. I can tell that inside, he was really angry that he lost
So?
Can't win em all
Tom's videos are compelling because he has the rare gift of creating charisma out of unpromising situations, like this video and game.
You guys are like the justice league of maths and physics.
+ Tom and Izzy.
Tom has only a degree in linguistics. his only connection to math are basic programming skills.
Izzy is unknown
That's not very nice. What did they ever to you? They're the Avengers, not the Justice League.
15:40. You're welcome
What?
@@jobansand Three balls potted with one stroke. A truly masterful shot by James Grime there
Does Matt Gray have a body double in the background?
Glad it wasn't just me who saw that. Is that his brother or something?
7:43
There is a clear difference
brmbrmcar You are right: one is holding a camera and the other is wearing a purple hoodie.
And check the hair
Two of my favourite Mathematicians, one of my favourite programmers, billiards and beer. This has to be one of my favourite collaborations ever.
The only person missing here should have been BradyStuff
Iain McMullen I totally agree! I'm not familiar with Izzy but she seems pretty awesome too :D
LittleMikey She is sort of hot, to be true ;)
I'm surprised they didn't get out the brown paper for the end game shot XD
Anyone else wince when the full pint was passed across the table?
Yup!
Me too!
Funny that RUclips has churned this old video up - I could do with a game myself, but that's a bit difficult in Germany.
Just make your own table. (Or, more plausibly, convince a friend who's good at carpentry that it would be fun to play.)
This video did indeed inspire me to consider making my own table. The timing mechanism would be interesting. Fortunately I have *a lot* of old clocks.
@@AguaFluorida the timing mechanism is only because it's coin operated. It would not be needed for a table you use at home, unless you are into old arcade machines.
I haven't played bar billiards in 10 years. My parents ran a pub in Worthing and we had one then but I was crap at it and didn't really understood the rules completely so I tended to prefer playing pool instead but it was a nice thing to have around.
There was an edit where you were talking about the decline in manufacture of the tables and its a shame we didn't get to hear the rest of that sentence. I know bar billiards have been in steady decline since the arrival of pool in pubs and its a shame such a game of skill is slowly dieing out. i know the supplier my father worked with getting his tables is still in existence and still able to supply tables for people - perhaps you could have your very own table at home if you wanted :P
Finally, after several years of looking, I found a bar billiards table for sale ... living in Australia didn't help at all.
My Friday night darts sessions with a few old codgers like myself has just evolved, no one other than myself had ever heard of bar billiards but now they love the game.
I genuinely believed this was an elaborate turn-of-the-century prank game in which you "teach" new players increasingly maddening rules while the clock ticks down, in order to win every time.
There should be more tables like this in places that are too small for a pool or snooker table. I want to try this game right now, but I have no idea where to find a table.
Ted Logan I live in the uk. And they’re not really seen any more. I’ve only seen one once at an ex-bar managers house
I imagine they're expensive to maintain, with all the patrons passing drinks across them.
More than three decades ago I was holidaying with friends, we found a stone built country pub. A doorway had been knocked through to the adjoining small barn. They had darts, bar billiards, devil amongst the tailors, a tabletop quoits and a skittle alley in there plus other things. In the bar area there was cribbage and shove ha'penny, probably other things if you asked behind the bar. Guess the landlord was a fan, certainly a good night out. Great way to get people in to a remote hostellry. Wish I could remember where, Cumbia or Wales. Has to be a free house or it would have a restaurant not a games room. For those interested the Tinsley Green British/World Champioship is still going.
I've not played since the 90s and only met these tables in Derby, Sussex (Horsham), Bristol and..... Jersey (home to the British/World Open).
It is a game that deserves greater recognition and restitution but isn't as profit-friendly as bandits, quiz machines or pool tables.
Pool tables? Notice you still need access to rear of table, and cue clearance at front. Also a BB game usually takes a minimum of 15-25mins compared to a typical Pool game of under 10mins. And a really good player can really stretch out the end-game - why else do they not televise Billiards instead of Snooker? It's not for the lack of skill but TV needs immediate win/lose not protracted precision.
And YES! Bring back Indoor League.
This has to be one of my favourite videos on your channel, Tom. Matt Parker is just the best anyway and I loved seeing the four of you interacting and teaching/learning the game.
8:50
"All the rules have Subclause 'Unless it's really awesome' "
Yes, more games should adopt this!
"unless it's really awsome" is a real rule in D&D
Now i really want a weekly podcast from them, just playing bar billiards, drinking and discussing the week's news, probably with someone highly energetic to spice up the commentary.
This game looks brilliant. I'm kinda sad I've never seen one in Australia. I'll have to put it on my to-do list if I ever come to the UK!
LittleMikey Good luck finding one
LittleMikey i think you should be able to just build one if you are an Australian XD
+LittleMikey hmm maybe it is something one can fix with drills and ab foam :D
+LittleMikey I have on here in Adelaide, brought it over from the UK .
+mike read ooh, I'm in Adelaide till the 30th. shame I'm busy the whole time xD
Damn! we don't have this in the US. I'm sure it would be a big hit, especially in NYC. Maybe someone should start a trend as a tryout in some parts of the Bronx where pub culture is still very big.
blame the great depression.
Yeah, though professional play isn't half as fun...
It could become a hipster thing: "I only play bar billiards, you probably haven't heard about it..."
I spent my puberty playing bar billiards. There was a table in a pub just outside Harrogate in the 80s where my brothers and friends would commute from Leeds to play nightly. It has to be the best pub game ever.
I think there were only a few in Yorkshire at that time as the ubiquitous American Pool tables ousted them nationwide despite the latter requiring far more space. I suppose because pool was also quicker ergo made more money than Bar Billiards. The unwritten law was that morally you had to go for the red in the 200 if at all possible despite the eradication of your total score. There were also secveral layouts of the pins/mushrooms in different regions. Some had four, one just in front of the 200,100 & 50s holes. The game we played had three turned mushroom pegs and the whites stood misway between each of the 50s and the 100 hole.
Was in this pub last week. They've repainted the walls so that swirl has gone, and I didn't see the bar billiards table.
If you want to make another app you could do one that lets you find bar games in your area.
Which pub is it? I've spent ages trying to find out, without success. I'd be really pleased to find out.
What a shock. The day I discover this kind of table exists is the day I discover Tom already did a video on said table.
I just found this video and am getting a major nostalgia trip from it. I used to play this as a kid in a social club in Rugby, where my Dad's parents lived. I reckon it's been 35 years since I last played, though.
Back when I was alive in the 1990s at least four of the pubs I used regularly had bar billiards. It's great fun and good pub game, it takes up much less space than pool. If you're not sure what pubs, (or indeed fun), were ask your parents.
Liked as soon as I saw James Grime
Did you notice that he wasn't drinking?
Why do I see two Matt Grays at 8:21? I'm mighty confused right now...
+steampunc it's Grey, not Gray.
+Heinrich Berndovsky the colour is called grey but his name is Matt Gray
The other one is Matt Grey
+No One Please, read tour comment
Three mathematicians and a guy in a red shirt walk into a bar....
I've never heard of this game before and I'm really eager to try it.
18:04 “a very manly scream from Tom”
Imagine going into a pub, ordering a pint and then turning round and finding tom, matt, matt, grimes and izzy all at the same time having a game together, sounds like a joke but would make your decade.
“Jim” Grime instead of James is my favorite bit.
This is wonderful; I'd love to watch more of this kinda stuff (Bar Billiards and other obscure old physical games)
Coordination, drinking and adding up.
Oh man, they used to have a Bar Billiards table in the pub next door to where I work. We played it every lunch time! Then they replaced it with two fruit machines and we stopped going there. I'd love to find another table nearby, I'd even be tempted to buy one for myself!
this is probably one of my favourite videos. now i want to see a whole series of Let's Play videos about different pub games. Cheese Skittles is the one that was popular where my wife grew up in Bedfordshire.
All my life I've been aware that this game once existed and I have heard it described lots of times but it is nothing like I imagined and I now feel slightly cheated that this wasn't still popular in the late 80s when I started going to pubs. It looks awesome.
Bloody hell ive seen this in my recommendation for a week now it wouldn’t leave so I’ve clicked thoroughly enjoyed it and I’m just gunna trust my yet in the future
At 10:50, when Jim says "We've used up all the balls" Matt should have said "Not a problem. We use Banach-Tarsky"
Darth Geek isn't his name James not Jim
@@mirageinthedesert5448 James is formal but Jim is informal, used by mates, the kind you go to the pub with. It has become reasonably common to be registered with the informal variant of of a name, has caused me some confusion.
Violating applied physics seems like an awful lot of effort to play with another ball.
Good to see people having fun with this great pub game. It was introduced to Great Britain in the 1930's by a chap called David Gill, who discovered it on a walking holiday on the French/Belgian border. I got those details from 'Played at the Pub' by Arthur Taylor (published 2009) and essential reading for anyone who has ever stepped into our wonderful pubs!
Me during quarantine : *bored*
RUclips algoritm : Let's play billiards
Me: Thank you algorithm
@@jaco-louisventer8275 Me: Longing for the old days when we could pop down the pub with some mates and play pool :(
I wanted to make the video like this Indoor League 2 'appen.
It's odd but cool to see "phile" video members together xD
Jager Mitchell It's awesome! ^_^
Why did you do that to me? I just spent 25 minutes watching sports I will probably never play.
Oh wait thats you in this video.
HOW did you do that?
Tom trying to explain this looks like a Monty Python sketch.
This is so scuffed and I thoroughly enjoyed it
Bring the game back into pubs! All pubs should have bar billiards and a pool table
underneonloneliness2 there is a bar billiards in Elham, Kent, in a pub/ restaurant called the rose and crown
sub-clause: "unless it's really awesome" ... love it
another series of this would be great
I want to see the footage of the second game they fast-forwarded through.
Idk why I keep coming back to watch and rewatch this video.
I swear I could listen to you talk about anything. I've seen this come up in my suggested before and though to myself "Ugh, boorrring" decided to watch it and twenty minutes later and that was some of the most quality entertainment I've ever had. I really want to play this now!
I never thought I'd see a let's play on Tom's channel...
MY MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS MOMS GREAT GREAT GREAT GREATGREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREA GTREA GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDSON SAID THE SAME THING
I would love to see more collaborative videos between my favorite youtubers like this.
Absolutely loved this video. Now I need to look for more information on old pub games like this
Why am I watching this at 4am, I need to go to sleep, I have literally been binge watching Tom Scott Videos all night
I've decided to watch all of his videos as fast as possible, starting with the oldest ones from 2006. Today is day 2.
Three of my favourite RUclipsrs of all time, but I have homework to do! Why did I click on this video?!?
That's alright son. You can do it on the boat.
Because, like all people who watch youtube, you're a notorious procrastinator! :D
This was Tom Scott Plus before Tom Scott Plus
that looks like an awesome game .. don't know why it's no longer popular
That video was a breath of fresh air! fun game, fun players and it changes from the typical youtube video of either video games or people going crazy... Keep making more like it, please!
Brady's best all in one room... scary to think what would happen if the bar exploded. ;P
...and that was the perfect opportunity for the antimathists.
This is peak RUclips crossover time, please do more.
Brilliant!
I am surprised it came six years ago and I never saw this before.
English & Maths : my two favourite subjects coming together for an amazing game.
The sound it does when getting in the whole is so relaxing
I want a bar billiards table. I can't afford one and I don't room for one but I want one.
This actually looks like a fun variant, tempted to build myself a table now.
You guys are all brill. Love numberphile, as well as your individual work. This looked fun
I love Matt and James (and of course you, Tom). Great video.
I wish we had this game in here in Canada.
A bunch of awesome people mostly being confused by bar billiards just when I need a laugh, thanks Tom and Co.
This looks quite fun.
Love all the games you show us mate. We don't have half of these games over here in the US. I also enjoy how many board or card games you show on your channel.
Genuinely fascinated by this game! Never heard of it before, I'm now looking forward to import it in France! Thanks Tom for this awesome discovery!
Dat flawless fifty, tho...
"And that's how you play bar billards"
Quality! haha
I never thought that watching people play a billiards derivative on RUclips would be so entertaining.
Bar Billiards looks amazing.
That was a thoroughly entertaining watch. Thanks.
I've watched this video at least 5 times over the years. It's still entertaining for some reason.
Tom Scott obviously has a certain type of charisma that makes his videos interesting, whereas if most people were presenting exactly the same thing it would be really boring. Lucky for him.
@@ajs41 he build his presence from Only Connect, master of trivia he is.
I had heard of Bar Billiards before, but always assumed it was just a variant on snooker or pool or something.
It's quite intriguing.
I enjoyed this a lot more than any other video game let's play that I've seen on RUclips.
Now I want to seek bar billiards out and find a pub with a table. There's got to be one somewhere in Australia.
You'll probably find one one Norfolk Island.
You know, the place that Englishmen choose to go to rather than be deported to Botany Bay (or the nearest yardarm)!
Proof, if any was needed, that it's not just mad dogs...
That was super fun. I'd love to see you guys play it again.
Thanks for showcasing this game! Looks like a lot of fun!