Polyrhythm - 4 against 5 and 5 against 4
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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Left side: Count 4
Right side: Count 5
Subdivision: 20 beats
MAJUSCLES: Accented beat (hand)
minuscles: normal beat
Word string emphasizing count 4: I can FEEL the PAT-tern IN-side
Word string emphasizing count 5: KEEP CLAP-ping FOUR and FIVE as ONE
The use of word strings establishes the bridge between mind and body.
Please notice how the experience of the overall rhythmic pattern shifts when you shift your focus from the one string to the other!
It is not sufficient to memorize the word string. It is a guidewire but it may be pronounced without the intended accentuation, so listen to the rhythmic pattern and combine it with the two word strings!
This is one of the best visual representations of a polyrhythm I've ever seen. Nice.
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The circle shows the symmetry perfectly, much better than a line, genius
Euclidian Rhythms of Toissant
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It’s kinda strange how our brain can understand polyrhythms when thinking about 3/4 or 5/4, but when you try to think about a 4/4 perspective, it’s A LOT more difficult to really get what is happening
Right! To me the two perspectives feel entirely different even though the rythm is the same. For some reason thinking in 4/4 makes it sound slower to me...
Like this is seriously the best way to learn polyrhythms for me! Thanks for the video!
Dude, this stuff is great! I spent several hours playing with a metronome to get this down but to no avail. Then, I ran across this video. I had it going (albeit rough) in fifteen minutes. Thank you!!!!
Wesley Hyzell like, totally.
absolutly best visual representation
5 over 4: I can feel the pattern better
... this way the stressed syllables fit the meter
i find it easy thinking this as the underlying measurement of 5 (so i count i five), but almost impossible to count it as 4 ... its annoys the hell out of me because i can easily switch between all of the basic polyrhythms ... but this one gets me for some reason
Thanks for your comment! I have a suspicion that you are 'too' experienced within the field of rhythms and therefore do not allow yourself to do the exercise as I have described it. I envy your ability to recognize and count rhythms but here I present a 'workaround' where the wordstrings are in focus, not the counting. Optimally this video should help you experience a possibility to change the count and the feel from 4 to 5 and back.
the thing is i want to learn this, not just so i can do i but because i want to be able to implement it, not necessarily directly into music but to be able to feel the different ways of understanding a rhythm. I love going back and forth between different counts within one song to challenge myself to listen to the original count whilst feeling and "off" count. But i have been sitting here for 30 minutes trying understand the correlation of the beats which i find straight forward counting in 5, but for some reason it feels random and unnatural counting in 4... probably because im used to having a subdivision of either 3 or 4, and the subdivision of 5 throws me off.
Well, I am not the one to claim that it is easy. Actually I do not master this exercise myself. I believe you'll nail it sooner or later!
+Thore Elbek did you ever figure this out? I find that feeling the "four" makes more sense when you get into faster tempos. For me at first, the four took over and I lost the five, tempting me to shift into simple syncopation and count 123-123-1234-123-123 (or using that old 13&a system for 16th notes, 1 - - a 2 - & - 3 - & - 4 e - -). But after slowing back down and whipping the five back into shape, and then speeding up again, it clicked.
The result is almost a drunken feel: unison, flam, a quarter note triplet in the middle, flam. If the five is in your right hand and the four is in your left, 1 - RL - [R - L - R] - LR.
@@thoreelbek7918 i think your last sentence is spot on. Get all possible patterns in a five-subdivision into your system; then come back to this exercise. Playing "the 1 and 5 of 5" should develop an intuitive feel at moderate to high tempos (where you don't consciously count anymore), just as (for example) playing "the 1 and 4 of 4" already has.
Love you visualization. So simple. Multiply the two numbers to get their product (possibly simplify to a smaller number for which the two are common denominators), draw a circle with that number of gradations, draw the pointed "spinners" inside and set them against one another . Brilliant! I'm going to try it with three values.
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At two times speed it does sound musical, unlike slow.
This is a great representation. But I wish at least part of the video had different tones for the fives and the fours
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perfect
Thanks Adam
Goes way too slow. Had to speed it 1.75 times to hear the rhythm, and 2x speed is good, but i need faster to really practice.
Thanks for making this video ! I greatly helped to get 4vs5 rythm sense and now I can understand some modern jazz tunes.
These videos are awesome! Could you please do a 7 against 8 and 8 against 7 or a 7 against 4 and 4 against 7?
Thanks. This is really helpful. But here's a suggestion: how about having two different sounds for the two?
Good to hear!
I very deliberately chose the same sound, as one of the purposes with the video is to facilitate a shift from a 4-count to a 5-count and vice versa.
@@SkyeLfvander Ahh I see. Thanks anyways 😊
This video helps a lot thank you
This is basically a major second dyad. And yeah, it sounds pretty upbeat.
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This rhythm, diff-i-cult is not.
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Great visualization, but you might consider using a different sound for each to really hear the polyrhythm
I am sorry, but the whole intention with the video is that it should allow you to jump between the counts 3 and 4 as dominant. If I had used different.sounds this important aspect would have vanished so I very deliberately used a uniform sound.
@@SkyeLfvander fair point, that's a great idea!
Easily the best example of this polyrhythm I've found thus far on RUclips, kudos!
Can anyone think of a cathy phrase to remember it by?
Just as 3:2 can be "Hot Cup of Tea”, and 4:3 can be "What Atrocious Weather”.
Thanks.
Adam Neely just made a video where he uses “I’m looking for a home to buy”
So like “I’M, lookING for A home, TO-buy”. Hope that makes sense!
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1 2e 3 & 4 a5
B RL R L R LR
Very useful video, thank you very much!
helped me learn 5:4 a lot!!! thank you!!!
Put it on 2x speed 👌
please make more videos like this. I would like 5 against 6
it sounds almost the same
I like it, but a high and low tone would make it easier to separate out each beat.
I very deliberately did not make different sounds for the two counts. The separation process is meant to take place - organically - in the practitioner.
@@SkyeLfvander All I can hear in this - organically - is a funky five beat rhythm. I can't sync into the four at all, leaving me unable to switch between the two patterns at will. A teaching aid is designed to help a student bridge a gap, but this basically asks of me to already have the skill of separating the polyrhythm, and simply serves as a sophisticated metronome to practice to.
@@kristiangregory4860 There are two counts both of which contain eight beats. You focus at one count at a time by coordinating your hands with the word string related to either the 4-count ("I can feel ...") or the 5-count ("Keep clapping ..."). 4 against 5 and 5 against 4 are not considered simple so maybe you should start on a more basic level (2:3 or 3:4) to become accustomed to the exercise.
@@SkyeLfvander I get it now, thankyou for explaining. Didn't recognise the clapping patterns were different each side of the diagram.
Does anybody know where the GREEN ones went? There was a whole series on his channel that I preferred, that were green background, and they're gone...
Here: ruclips.net/video/wQWQUc8CCa0/видео.html and here: ruclips.net/video/8ePgZPuhCAo/видео.html
I wanna practice at 4x speed
Brilliant!
This rhythm isn't difficult but because five is faster it feels like I'm thinking in 5/4 instead of 4/4
id say its difficult
great program! thanks!
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I’m a bit lost it’s counting every 5th count in 16
But it’s not 5 counts over 4?
Actually, the approach of the video is different. It encourages you to learn the rhythmic figure 'by ear' and internalise it by using the word strings. That ultimately will allow you to navigate freely between a 5 count and a 4 count.
Skye Løfvander cool thanks just starting learn these very challenging
Turn this into an Android two tapping hands game.
great video many thanks, do you have 7/4 in this format,
Hey dude for future videos you should color the 2 layers of triange thingies differently, i do really like this representation tho
This is so amazing...
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Could you do 7 against 6?
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Is this suppose to happen in 4 Beats ?
This is supposed to let you freely navigate between a pulse in either 4 or 5 beats.
Please make more of these
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Skye Løfvander thanks, I saw all of them. I mean, there are more complex cases, for example, 7:4. There are no such simple videos involving 7, where I can just tap table with fingers and learn it quickly
I second Rasiel's suggestion. I would really love if you would complete your collection. As a future music teacher, I'll be sure to use these videos to teach my students in the future!
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считалка на русском: чтО было двадцать лет назад
Необходимо использовать два предложения: одно для 4: 5, а другое для 5: 4
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Thank you for the inspiration: ruclips.net/video/2LvYEo9a5V8/видео.html --John
Pretty repetitive. Like, yer pattern is fun if there’s a campfire and a djumbe.
So build on it and manipulate it to change how it sounds. Maybe use this as the back beat and you occasionally throw in accented beats, or you play one of the parts with two limbs instead of one so it splits the notes between two sounds
@@thebrad2136 exactly my mind is flooding with some many ideas on how to make each one sound different. It's amazing it's like this is an auto music generator.