When that patent expires these things are going to drop in price big time, I can't wait for Centerpoint to start pumping them out! And I'm not kidding!
@@Deathbybunjie Do you know how the expensive crossbows age? I means, rain, mud, wind, Ice and snow and then a year in storage until the next time the craving to use it comes again? Would I need to purchase one crossbow per year?
@Reasoner Enlightened the Orignial Bunjie just completed its 13th season and killed 4 deer this year! I could hunt with that same crossbow the rest of my life.
I like the fact that the Reverse limb is more Balanced. I do know that my Killer Instinct is frontend heavy maybe one day I will be able to get a Reverse limb crossbow. Enjoyed it Rich.
Walking with a bow like that puts debris rubbing along the string. A traditional limbed crossbow protects the cables and string with the limbs. Its incredibly wide for tree stand hunting. The real old bows like V1 were long enough that it put all the width past trees. They were relatively narrow by the shooter. These reverse limb bows puts all the important stuff all in the place where a tree would be, and they get critically wider when you shoot. Traditional bows get wider too, but its not as pronounced. The extra energy from the long powerstroke is good, but i’m not willing to give up the maneuverability to get it. Great presentation and I agree these will likely be very popular for years to come!
I get what you are saying, but keep in mind the Original Bunjie is 36 in wide uncocked. That is a wide crossbow! This thing is Tiny in comparison. And keep in mind that other brands make them even smaller like the 10 points for example. Just a thought!
I think a reverse draw would be far more maneuverable than a trad style or a compound front heavy keep in mind that is the exact width of the crossbow uncocked so as lang as you are 1 foot from a tree you are perfect. Rich and i need like 3.5 feet clearance with our wide body beasts lol.
That's another problem with these limbs..you really have to pay attention to your tree when shooting to the sides. One of my fists hunts with this bow...thankfully on the ground, I had a deer sneak in behind me. I tucked into the tree to hide and fired as the deer walked by. Welp my limd hit the tree and blew me off my stool. Like getting punched out of nowhere
Hello Rich . . . thank you for what you do. I relied heavily upon your expertise before stepping into the woods this past season. Here's my story, hope it makes sense and it's not too long. I've hunted with a bow since age 16, I'm now 66. I had suffered a spine injury 28 years back. That injury has affected every aspect of my life. 15 years ago a nasty surgery ended all hopes of me ever hunting again, or so I thought. Unexpectedly last fall a friend purchased some prime Northern Illinois farmland 10 minutes from my house and it has fairly easy access for me to hunt, YAY! But I could no longer draw my compound bow, so off to Cabelas I go in search of a crossbow. Now this was before discovering your awesome channel and WOW have things changed in the time I've been away. So I spend about 2 hours with the salesmen schooling me in every aspect of crossbows. I was about to cash out when I asked what I thought was an unrelated off the cuff question, "what's up with those backwards crossbows"? Now I had told him one requirement for a new bow is that it had to be light cause I'm not in the greatest shape. I had a Ravin R-10 in my cart but as soon as I put a reverse draw bow up to my shoulder my jaw dropped to the ground. It felt so easy shouldering this bow compared to the others, and WHY? Was it lighter, NO. He said this bow was a little heavier that the Ravin. It took a moment for it to click in my head what was happening. That riser being mounted farther back changed the balance making it so much easier to shoulder than even a lighter conventional crossbow. AMAZING! Well after a couple of practice shots I was convinced this was the way to go. I ended up buying a Wicked Ridge RDX-400 by Ten Point. I love the bow even though I haven't shot it that much. I sighted it in and hit the woods. There I discovered one weakness, it's scope. Not very good at gathering light, kind of dark in low light. So I upgraded to a TRUGLO Opti-Speed. It sure is a huge improvement in it's brightness which is what I was after. I hit the field and within a week I harvested my first deer in almost 20 years, a healthy looking 6pt buck. Now I'm after the meat not the rack and this little farm has such a healthy population I was blown away. One afternoon I counted 27 deer in the field, crazy! So 4 days later I didn't hesitate to harvest a button buck as I wanted a little bit more venison in the freezer. The first deer I shot at 28 yards, the second at 36 yards. Neither deer ran far, maybe 75 yards max. Thanks to your broadhead videos I purchased me some Schwackers! Just amazing performance. I had always used a fixed 3 blade tip, but WOW what an improvement. So my adult son got Schwackers of his own for Christmas, lol. All of that happened so fast. I found out on November 20th that I had a place to hunt if I wanted. I shot my first deer on Dec 4th. So two weeks to decide what to do, buy a new bow, sight it in(twice), scout the property then put up a couple of ladder stands. By Dec 8th I had harvested 2 deer and it was all over. That feels a bit weird. So now I'm watching all of your videos anticipating the arrival of next season and being able to hunt the rut. I did see a couple of bigger bucks on my last day out there, and oh boy I can't wait. In the meantime I want to put out some trail cams and watch your videos. So please Rich, keep those videos coming, you must! I'm looking forward to watching and learning. Thanks to you and your family once again for what you do. Regards, Illinois Chuck.
That is a heck of a story, and I'm glad that you really like the crossbow that you chose and I'm glad that you like those broadheads! Sounds like a great combination, good luck to both of you out there!
Love love LOVE this channel. I'm addicted to the news, and I want to know what's going on in the world. But it's often (usually) depressing. So it's always refreshing to see Genevieve's beautiful smile and Rich's good nature. Thank you both for keeping me sane and positive! I always wash out my psyche with your videos after catching up on current events.
Great video! I purchased my Bear X Fisix reverse limb crossbow back in 2016 and love it! It clocks in at 375 fps, with only a 135 lb. draw weight! This patent you talk of…. Bear Archery was making them back in 2016.
I am totally fascinated by reverse draw crossbows. I have a Horton Havoc and two Horton Visions. Accurate as can be and so well balanced compared to a conventional crossbow. I hope to get a Scorpyd soon.
I agree, and the more I use it the happier I am with that lower draw weight. I hope people understand this isn't a bragging thing because I didn't invent this crossbow, I'm just happy to be using it LOL and it really has impressed me with its design.
Since you dry fired the cadillac can you check the FPS to make sure nothing was lost ? I’m thinking if it did loose speed there may be a hidden limb defect.
Spin your cams to see if they wobble..may still shoot straight but don't take for granted how dangerous these xbows can be. Maybe less draw weight but shit tons of stored kinetic energy nestled up to your body for hours....
@@Deathbybunjie The scorpyd trigger adjustment is on the dvd that came with your crossbow,and for the trigger poundage look at the reviews done onthe scorpyd deathstalker and tremor done by the Field Archer,he uses a trigger gage and checks the triggers on both crossbows.
Thanks Ritch for this explanation and details on the reverse limb x bows. Can you tell me how long I can keep a reverse limb x Bow like yout Scorptd cocked? Presently with our Micro 335's ( My wife and I) we can keep them cocked for extended periods without issue ( day or 2). I love your Scorptd however without a means to uncock it I would need to feel comfortable leaving it cocked overnight and possibly for a day or two.
Wow that's pretty cool, I'm not into adjusting triggers but I also think 2 lb is a little light for me so I might want to make it a little stiffer. Then again, on a lower poundage crossbow like this, 2 lb might be pretty smooth still.
Unfortunately I can't really help you with that, I don't hunt in anything so thick where I need a machete but if you do, that is great, could because I bet the hunting is great! Good luck!
My question is what advantages in terms of a increase in durability and ultimately reliability and a reduction of the likelihood and frequency of limb failure, serving wear and failure and reduction in over all string and cable wear does the reverse draw design give IF ANY over crossbows with traditional draw designs? As anyone who knows anything about compound crossbow design they are for most owners especially ones like me who's only choices are mastering working on them ourselves or send them back to the manufacturer and eat a LOT of downtime they are NOT simple to work on or easy to work on and WILL not if but WILL have multiple issues with string and cable wear as well as cam timing issues all of which require some method to compress the limbs to work on and change cables and strings then get your cams back in time with each other all if not done correctly will at the least result in accuracy issues at worst damage to your crossbow including potentially catastrophic damage If reverse draw design requires significantly less draw weight to achieve the same arrow velocity as xbows using traditional draw designs one would think there is a significant chance it should reduce stress induced wear and component failure common to higher DW crossbows But I am not a mechanical engineer so I can only guess at best as there very well may be a design threshold in crossbows that once you exceed a certain level of stress induced forces any reduction in DW UNLESS it goes below that threshold won't offer a reduction in the likelihood of stress induced wear and ultimately failure significant enough to matter And I am reasonably certain the vast majority of crossbows currently producing a arrow velocity over 350 FPS are past that threshold My point being crossbows of a reverse draw designs are SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than ones of traditional design and unless you must have the absolute fastest of crossbows IMO literally spending over $1500-$2000 or more for a minimum of 20-30 more FPS to a maximum of less than 100 more FPS again in my opinion only financially justifiable if it comes with a very significant degree of increased reliability and certainly not financially justifiable if they are subject to an DECREASE in reliability My decades of working as a heavy industrial maintenance electrician tells me the more complex of a design the more likely it is to fail than one of a less complex of a design (hence German tanks in WWII VS America tanks if you will) Reverse draw compound bow have while not great in its degree, is a more complex design with more components and I suspect a longer string and longer cables all of which usually not always but usually results in a less reliable design. Again in my opinion a crossbow costing $2k-$3k+ is only financially justifiable if it comes with a significant increase in its degree of reliability VS crossbows costning 30-50% less because again IMO $1k-$1.5k more for an increase of only 50-60fps can only be financially justifiable if it comes with a significant degree of increased reliability Again just my opinion
Man, how I wish I had the money for one laying around... I got myself the Supersonic XL Rev (I think it's called Ballista Bat or Reverse Draw Mini Striker in the US) a couple of months ago and it's awesome, especially for a pistol crossbow, yet I still crave a bigger one with even more power.
Nice video, my next crossbow will be a reverse limb Xbow unless the technology has improved even more. It will likely be 3-5 years given its only a couple seasons old now. on a side note the Christmas scene behind you looks great and you are certainly sharply dressed for the video!!!
Three weapons I haven’t bought yet. For no reason other than haven’t really wanted one but I am getting older and consider it more every year. The Muzzleloader and the cross bow and traditional bow. My favorite hunting method is compound bow.
Nothing wrong with doing what you love. Go where the heart is. I sure love crossbows! Not because I was disabled or unable to use other implements. I have used recurve in the past and took a doe. But my heart is with crossbows!
Great explanation Rich. If I ever have to replace my Excalibur vortex I’m going with reverse limbs for all the reasons you brought up. When the Patton expires and materials go down in price there will be some sweet deals.🇨🇦🤔😜
Indeed, price is only go down. I shot a lot more deer this year with my excaliber crossbow than I did with this crossbow but when it comes to technology, it's pretty impressive, good luck out there!
One other thing with the reverse limb reverse cam crossbows the also push the projectile rather than pull it. This makes it far more efficient and effective.
Good video. I have a reverse draw Barnett. 145 lbs limbs and a 18 inch power stroke @400 fps. I'll never go back to forward styles. I would like to add that compound bows 70' lbs and 30 inch power stroke @300 fps. Crossbow at 150 lbs is a lot, just need longer powerstroke. If you have 150 lbs on a 30 inch power stroke super fast lol
There are crossbows that have the string come off of the front of the cam (reverse draw) without being a reverse limb crossbow. Mission crossbows for example come to mind. Very little weight up front may be harder to hold steady, too. More mass equals more inertia. A heavy object is usually easier to balance & hold steady. Balance an arrow tip on a finger and compare it to a pencil tip. An arrow will be easier to balance upright than a pencil. Add weight to the top of the arrow you are balancing, it's even easier. I am not knocking reverse limb crossbows, but I've never heard someone say a short barrel shotgun swings better than a long one. Like most things in life, there are trade offs!
Good points about inertia, and yes there are some reverse draw traditional style crossbows, I like some of the center points that do that, in fact, I'm not sure why anybody makes one that isn't reverse draw at least. Probably more patent legal stuff that I don't understand LOL
Great explanation Rich of this rather complex system! I might have to seriously consider one of the new Wicked Ridge reverses draw bows for next Fall. And your presentation would make Clarence Darrow and F Lee Bailey proud counselor! Happy New Year. The Judge has just asked the jury if they've reached a verdict!
Would you say this is easy to cock with a rope cocker? I don’t want to be messing around with a crank system , used my friends Excalibur micro 340 and found that pretty easy. How would this compare?
Great video on the reverse limbs. I think Darton made one a long while back. How about a video on the durability of solid limbs vs split limbs. My split limbs broke on my crossbow while the solid limbs on my compound have been very durable. I know there’s a big poundage difference. Just curious. Thanks again. Oh nice Christmas tree!
I like your prediction about next gen crossbows being reverse limbs style, actually the new Tenpoint lineup has the majority of new models that style. Makes sense since speed sells now a day and it’ll be “new” technology. Consumers like “new”
Yes speed really does draw sales and fascination. I must say that I love the fact that the efficiency of reverse draw also can give rise to longer front end life and a more even balance.
Thanks for the great explanations! Dumb question, but couldn't they get it to store more energy in less space by having more limb and less metal spacer (i.e making each limb half of a U or rounded V shape) instead of sticking them at the ends of a metal frame?
I think I understand what you're saying, basically make it more like a bow and make the Riser part of the limbs almost. I can't tell you one way or another, that might be the next big thing who knows!
I hunt with 165# Aculeus...love it...primarly because most of my shots are 40 to 60 yards. Downsides...this bow eats strings and cables for breakfast. I had a fairly new string snap just as I was removing the cocking device...crazy scary. The string angle on the trigger latch is much more sharp than conventional. After this dry fire the cam pins got tweaked. Scorpyd honored their lifetime warranty...after $200 shipping to scorpyd. Also fyi..using dows on the cams will void your warranty, and they do check for signs of this as it can effect the pins. Personally I would rather have the weight at the end of the bow. I can hold a traditional bow far more steady free hand. The scorpyd also has a kick to it that can cause minor accuracy issues. My other bow I shoot is a center point 370. It will out shoot my scorpyd all day to 40 yards. Half dollar groups compared to dimes.i don't think I could justify spending that much on the scorpyd from my experience. I rather get a new center point every few years. Splurging on the best optics you can find is a far better investment. Hope this helps anyone
Pretty much all warranties are limited to workmanship and not me and my dowel rod haha that goes for every crossbow not just scorpyd... and I kind of agree about the center point for sure totally makes sense to me
I am new to the crossbow Era. Lol. I appreciate your videos and information about all you describe. Very helpful!! Thank you so much. Also does your channel happen to have any free promotional items that you could send me so I can advertise for YALL down here in the south. Again thank you so much for your time and information. God bless
The only stuff I have is for sale on deathbybunjie.com and the prices are really really low... isn't a lot left now but maybe some more will be added sometime soon
Saw one a while ago, the limbs release straight up off the frame and don't make the crossbow 'wider' after a shot. NOT a so called 'vertical' bow which is just a normal bow turned on it's side. This one when cocked the limbs go straight down into the frame, and when released go straight up with no change in the width of the bow itself. No idea if that is good, bad, on anything else.
Untill the make a recurve version I'll have to disagree 😂 They have also lost some of there advantage with the advent to narrower front mount compound crossbows combined with semi bullpuped layouts but healthy competition is good as it leads to further innovations. However I have to agree on the higher draw weights I can't remember the exact figure but the jerk strain on any crossbow is several times higher than the draw force required to cock the crossbow which is I believe why limb breakage is going up inline with the quest for ever increasing speeds. I would say anything over 350 fps is more than adequate and if money wasn't an option after that I'd be looking for compactness, lighter weight, easier cocking and higher quality before an extra increase in speed. Equipment can only take you so far and it's up to the operator to fill any gaps with skill which is what makes it fun.
i found some text info on some patents but no number nor better info, does anyone here have info about these patents ? man lots of infos here how about that 😀
Finally it's been said. Power stroke is the be all end all in cross bows. Can you imagine the speed of a 250# Scorpid. By the way the drawing you made without the rail looked like something from Kama Sutra. Like your tree very traditional.
When the bow is cocked if the strings and cables break they are under tension and a lot closer to your face and upper body on a traditional style with the limbs and riser in front of the strings and cable’s break on that all that force is going forward away from you not back in to you. I will take nose heavy for the little additional safety thank you.
The power stroke is really not that important. The only real advantage is maintenance or maybe quiet.?? I shoot 425 out of a R10x 40 yds & under . The arrow is there did its job before the deer even realize what took place. I pinned a ground hog to the ground at 42 yds . It’s way more about you as the hunter than the xbow reversed limbs or conventional limbs. It’s another way to sell xbows that said is it any more deadly..!! Most likely not. Deadly is shot placement..! Rich, I like your style and your educational content and agree with you more than 50% of the time.. lol 😂 keep the channel going I love watching all of them ..
I think you are wrong on recurve crossbow has more stress on their limbs, i know that most newer excaliber use 270 up wards to 300 pound limbs, sounds way higher than the compound crossbows that has only average 180 pounds. However when you realize the 180 pounds draw weight is after it being divided in half by the pully and cables. In reality you gotta 180 times 2 being 360 pounds actual stress on the limb 😂. 200 pound compound bow will be 400 pounds pressure on limbs
A little off topic, but I thought the PSE Tac Crossbow was really ahead of its time. It 400+ FPS with 125lb limbs, without rails, shot through a whisker bisquit. It could be wound up and unwound like a Ravin. I think PSE might have even sued them. The only problem is that it was rather long....
PSE is such a funny company, they were one of the first ones to hit 400 ft per second but we never hear about them today. Or at least in my circles I don't hear about them. Should be all over the place! You make a great point, though, that just because they got there first doesn't mean they're there forever. We might see this technology reach other manufacturers and in the end it might make it so scorpyd is not the leader!
@Death by Bunjie yes the PSE crossbows afterward were not impressive in comparison to competition and seemed to go backwards other than size. However, they are still a top compound bow company.
how many tools do you have to bring to fix in when in the field .... all i need is an allen wrench and set of limbs or string IF something goes wrong with string or limb in the field on my excalibur and keep hunting ......this happens with reverse tech , you is going home to fix it or pay to have someone fix it, im not worried how smooth it shoots either .. i just want it to effectively kill what im shooting at .. both do it well .... but i still dont see reverse tech better than that of recurve excalibur, reverse tech has way to many negative impacts when things go wrong .. TOTALLY NOT THE BEST DESIGN ..
Well, you need a stringing aid on an Excalibur to change the string, Plus on any modern Excalibur you're going to need a crank. All I need is a dowel rod LOL
@@Deathbybunjie still running a mag 340 and a kryptek 340 so no crank needed but yes i forgot a stringing aid ... and im pretty sure you needed more than a dowel rod to replace that string from what i seen ..not to mention moving parts that usually come along with a broken string on a compound crossbow , cause in the end thats all they really are , like a barnnet but look and work different . i just cant justify paying that much for a new coach when my team winning still with what we got and making good plays too, so to speak .
According to Google, the patent expiration date is 2024-10-08. That's eight months from the date of this comment. I expect the price of reverse crossbows to drop dramatically immediately after that date. Any comments on the Ravin vertical-limb design? It seems to make the crossbow a lot more compact and maneuvrable. Any other benefits? Is the design patented? Because it looks really cool.
I had a strong suspicion that you would start mentioning the issue of reverse draw sooner or later. Quieter, more efficient, better balanced, longer front end life is longer with all things being equal. What’s not to love?
Well, I can tell you I am a lawyer, and I am just as confused about all that stuff as you are. I am not a patent guy that's for sure. I don't fully understand it but it is what it is. Patents don't last as long as copyrights, at least, so other people will be able to partake in this technology sooner rather than later.
Yeah, that's a good point, when the patent expires there will be a lot more companies that can meet the New York requirements, the market will explode lol What will New York do then? Haha
@@Deathbybunjie they might try with "offer you cant refuse", i prefer the "opposite" crossbow like you said the power stroke gets very long (would have been fun to see a 20-21 power stroke on these), only issue is at the trigger with narrowness and angles of the string. think of the 1000-2000 pound ancient xbows with 4-5 inch power stroke, my next xbow will most likely be and opposite xbow if prices become reasonable i already have 440fps so i will wait for a 525-600 xbow
I think these are cool but end of day I want simplicity that’s why I stay with Excalibur! Spare limbs and string I can fix it myself anywhere with 30-45 mins
You know I love my excalibur, too, but I can change the string on this in 5 minutes with a dowel rod or a screwdriver in a pinch, and with the 150 lb draw weight I don't see the limbs breaking anytime soon. They even survived that dry fire LOL which apparently is a feature I need in a crossbow haha but in the end crossbow familiarity counts for a lot and if that Excalibur gives you that it's a keeper 💯
@@Deathbybunjie I agree buddy. I think the scorpyds are cool too but honestly I can’t afford one either lol. I have a mag 340 and a matrix 405. That’s what I’m working with. That’s great you can do your own strings also so quick. How wide is your scorpyd from outside edge to outside edge?
Wouldn't it be a lot more dangerous to put the bolt in since the string goes all the way to the end and the power stroke is longer? No safe place to put your fingers. The other xbows you can feed the bolt in from the end.
You still feed the arrow in from the end with this one also, it still sticks out past the end of the rail and Beyond the bumpers. Remember those bumpers are there to stop it and there's no need to put your fingers past the bumpers.
That’s funny you mentioned balance.. I’m setting up that new Burris scope on my ravin 26 and tho the scope weight being more I actually like because it helps balance out the front end weight of the crossbow I feel
There are so many advantages to reverse draw I'm surprised all crossbows are not made that way. 'Course anybody who does that has to pay royalties to Scorpyd.
Lot of Truth to that, the legal side of this stuff is always working behind the scenes so we never really know what the real reasons are for certain things I bet.
way way to many moving parts to be the best design , we have all seen them all break in many different ways ... but you can never beat effective simplicity
@@Deathbybunjie understandable but i myself cant fix that in the field ... ive gotta pack all those parts in incase i need to replace them ... and we have been going back on your channel to compare issues with both ... i would say excalibur is a winner there as well ..... dont get me wrong i like that scorpyd for sure ..... they look awesome but i have to pack all those parts in to the hunt or go home to fix it when something goes wrong , with my excalibur i can fix anything on them in the field in ten minutes or less and prolly not even have to leave my tree stand , pop a string on that compound crossbow you prolly changing cams and cam bearings to in this cold weather hunts up here miles out in the middle of nowhere , i also can hunt anything that you crossbow in question can aswel.But lets face it , they all have their issues . from my experience compound crossbow can cause alot of issues when in the field . Never once had an issue with any of my excaliburs
@@Deathbybunjie and please dont get me wrong , just sharing my point of view in why i left compound crossbows and not trying to be argumentative at all ,,, i think your channel is awesome and does great work .... i just cant side with a compound crossbow again after what happened with my last two from a reputable company with new tech lol ... anyways rich keep up the great work dude
@@Deathbybunjie Excellent video! The content is always A+. But to me “Reverse” crossbows are like watching someone flip a spinning reel upside down and reel it in winding backwards 🤣😂🤣 it just looks all wrong!
@@Deathbybunjie emailed you a pic of the hanger. I had to switch to zombie slayers cause dragon claws wouldn't fly with my fixed head(tuffhead 3 blade evolution) man hunting is expensive!
I have to say they have the reverse draw heads are good points and they got their bad points but I would not ever say they are the best design no way I guess I am more of a traditional guy and I like the crossbow that looks like a crossbow the reverse cam crossbow doesn't look right to me and they're ugly in my eyes
The Riser is close to your face but all the cams in the string are way out away from you though. Every crossbow has a string next to your face when you pull the trigger but these have the string end up farther away from you in the end.
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i agree fully. cant afford one lol
When that patent expires these things are going to drop in price big time, I can't wait for Centerpoint to start pumping them out! And I'm not kidding!
true that. i recently got a Centerpoint amped and it feels and shoots alot better than 350 bucks would of made me think
@@Deathbybunjie Do you know how the expensive crossbows age? I means, rain, mud, wind, Ice and snow and then a year in storage until the next time the craving to use it comes again? Would I need to purchase one crossbow per year?
@Reasoner Enlightened the Orignial Bunjie just completed its 13th season and killed 4 deer this year! I could hunt with that same crossbow the rest of my life.
Reverse draw:
1. Better balance.
2. More efficient. (Greater power & speed)
3. Typically quieter.
4. Longer front end life.
5. Less vibration.
I like the fact that the Reverse limb is more Balanced. I do know that my Killer Instinct is frontend heavy maybe one day I will be able to get a Reverse limb crossbow. Enjoyed it Rich.
I have the TenPoint Vapor RS470. The balance and accuracy is amazing. I took 2 public land 10 point bucks this year with it.
Can't argue with that!
Walking with a bow like that puts debris rubbing along the string. A traditional limbed crossbow protects the cables and string with the limbs. Its incredibly wide for tree stand hunting. The real old bows like V1 were long enough that it put all the width past trees. They were relatively narrow by the shooter. These reverse limb bows puts all the important stuff all in the place where a tree would be, and they get critically wider when you shoot. Traditional bows get wider too, but its not as pronounced. The extra energy from the long powerstroke is good, but i’m not willing to give up the maneuverability to get it. Great presentation and I agree these will likely be very popular for years to come!
I get what you are saying, but keep in mind the Original Bunjie is 36 in wide uncocked. That is a wide crossbow! This thing is Tiny in comparison. And keep in mind that other brands make them even smaller like the 10 points for example. Just a thought!
I think a reverse draw would be far more maneuverable than a trad style or a compound front heavy keep in mind that is the exact width of the crossbow uncocked so as lang as you are 1 foot from a tree you are perfect. Rich and i need like 3.5 feet clearance with our wide body beasts lol.
That's another problem with these limbs..you really have to pay attention to your tree when shooting to the sides. One of my fists hunts with this bow...thankfully on the ground, I had a deer sneak in behind me. I tucked into the tree to hide and fired as the deer walked by. Welp my limd hit the tree and blew me off my stool. Like getting punched out of nowhere
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@@Deathbybunjie lol its not wrong though hahahaha.
Hello Rich . . . thank you for what you do. I relied heavily upon your expertise before stepping into the woods this past season. Here's my story, hope it makes sense and it's not too long.
I've hunted with a bow since age 16, I'm now 66. I had suffered a spine injury 28 years back. That injury has affected every aspect of my life. 15 years ago a nasty surgery ended all hopes of me ever hunting again, or so I thought. Unexpectedly last fall a friend purchased some prime Northern Illinois farmland 10 minutes from my house and it has fairly easy access for me to hunt, YAY! But I could no longer draw my compound bow, so off to Cabelas I go in search of a crossbow. Now this was before discovering your awesome channel and WOW have things changed in the time I've been away. So I spend about 2 hours with the salesmen schooling me in every aspect of crossbows. I was about to cash out when I asked what I thought was an unrelated off the cuff question, "what's up with those backwards crossbows"? Now I had told him one requirement for a new bow is that it had to be light cause I'm not in the greatest shape. I had a Ravin R-10 in my cart but as soon as I put a reverse draw bow up to my shoulder my jaw dropped to the ground. It felt so easy shouldering this bow compared to the others, and WHY? Was it lighter, NO. He said this bow was a little heavier that the Ravin. It took a moment for it to click in my head what was happening. That riser being mounted farther back changed the balance making it so much easier to shoulder than even a lighter conventional crossbow. AMAZING! Well after a couple of practice shots I was convinced this was the way to go. I ended up buying a Wicked Ridge RDX-400 by Ten Point. I love the bow even though I haven't shot it that much. I sighted it in and hit the woods. There I discovered one weakness, it's scope. Not very good at gathering light, kind of dark in low light. So I upgraded to a TRUGLO Opti-Speed. It sure is a huge improvement in it's brightness which is what I was after. I hit the field and within a week I harvested my first deer in almost 20 years, a healthy looking 6pt buck. Now I'm after the meat not the rack and this little farm has such a healthy population I was blown away. One afternoon I counted 27 deer in the field, crazy! So 4 days later I didn't hesitate to harvest a button buck as I wanted a little bit more venison in the freezer. The first deer I shot at 28 yards, the second at 36 yards. Neither deer ran far, maybe 75 yards max. Thanks to your broadhead videos I purchased me some Schwackers! Just amazing performance. I had always used a fixed 3 blade tip, but WOW what an improvement. So my adult son got Schwackers of his own for Christmas, lol.
All of that happened so fast. I found out on November 20th that I had a place to hunt if I wanted. I shot my first deer on Dec 4th. So two weeks to decide what to do, buy a new bow, sight it in(twice), scout the property then put up a couple of ladder stands. By Dec 8th I had harvested 2 deer and it was all over. That feels a bit weird. So now I'm watching all of your videos anticipating the arrival of next season and being able to hunt the rut. I did see a couple of bigger bucks on my last day out there, and oh boy I can't wait. In the meantime I want to put out some trail cams and watch your videos.
So please Rich, keep those videos coming, you must! I'm looking forward to watching and learning.
Thanks to you and your family once again for what you do. Regards, Illinois Chuck.
That is a heck of a story, and I'm glad that you really like the crossbow that you chose and I'm glad that you like those broadheads! Sounds like a great combination, good luck to both of you out there!
@@Deathbybunjie Thanks again for your time!
Great explanation making sense of the differences between the two basic styles. Kudos!
Glad you enjoyed it!
A good while back I drooled over the Scorpyd and have always had an affection for reverse draw.
LOL it took me a while to get used to that look haha
Great video Rich , very informative
Love love LOVE this channel. I'm addicted to the news, and I want to know what's going on in the world. But it's often (usually) depressing. So it's always refreshing to see Genevieve's beautiful smile and Rich's good nature. Thank you both for keeping me sane and positive! I always wash out my psyche with your videos after catching up on current events.
Great video! I purchased my Bear X Fisix reverse limb crossbow back in 2016 and love it! It clocks in at 375 fps, with only a 135 lb. draw weight! This patent you talk of…. Bear Archery was making them back in 2016.
I don't know all the patent laws for sure. There were others, too, but scorpyd definitely has a lot of patents on them.
Love that reverse limb . That technology will be in my next Creation for sure . Wild Man Monk ⚔️⚔️⚔️👍😉👌
I am totally fascinated by reverse draw crossbows. I have a Horton Havoc and two Horton Visions. Accurate as can be and so well balanced compared to a conventional crossbow. I hope to get a Scorpyd soon.
Absolutely great video, great breakdown of the Reverse Limb Reverse Draw technology.
I am sharing the heck out of this video.
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GREAT video!
Really well explained video on reverse draw technology. All that speed with 150lb draw weight is amazing.
I agree, and the more I use it the happier I am with that lower draw weight. I hope people understand this isn't a bragging thing because I didn't invent this crossbow, I'm just happy to be using it LOL and it really has impressed me with its design.
Where did you get your new string
America's Best Bowstrings
Great video. Thanks 😊
very informative Rich
Well thanks for watching!
Since you dry fired the cadillac can you check the FPS to make sure nothing was lost ? I’m thinking if it did loose speed there may be a hidden limb defect.
No chrono but since no change in elevation at 60 yards I'm thinking it's ok, wouldn't hurt to run it through the chrono though!
Spin your cams to see if they wobble..may still shoot straight but don't take for granted how dangerous these xbows can be. Maybe less draw weight but shit tons of stored kinetic energy nestled up to your body for hours....
What about the adjustable trigger?
It's hard to get information on that, what are your thoughts?
@@Deathbybunjie The scorpyd trigger adjustment is on the dvd that came with your crossbow,and for the trigger poundage look at the reviews done onthe scorpyd deathstalker and tremor done by the Field Archer,he uses a trigger gage and checks the triggers on both crossbows.
Thanks Ritch for this explanation and details on the reverse limb x bows. Can you tell me how long I can keep a reverse limb x Bow like yout Scorptd cocked? Presently with our Micro 335's ( My wife and I) we can keep them cocked for extended periods without issue ( day or 2). I love your Scorptd however without a means to uncock it I would need to feel comfortable leaving it cocked overnight and possibly for a day or two.
Easy to uncock by shooting it LOL
On the scorpyd website both the deathstalker and the new tremor xp are advised as a less than a 2 # trigger that is adjustable
Wow that's pretty cool, I'm not into adjusting triggers but I also think 2 lb is a little light for me so I might want to make it a little stiffer. Then again, on a lower poundage crossbow like this, 2 lb might be pretty smooth still.
It's a super smooth trigger with virtually no creep so be carefully...also you have to manually put safety on when cocking, unlike other xbows
It is funny because the excalibur's are a manual safety also
Hello what Belt/material recommend for hunting?
I like to carry my Machete to clear a path
-Thank You!
Unfortunately I can't really help you with that, I don't hunt in anything so thick where I need a machete but if you do, that is great, could because I bet the hunting is great! Good luck!
Love my deathstalker 😎👍
My question is what advantages in terms of a increase in durability and ultimately reliability and a reduction of the likelihood and frequency of limb failure, serving wear and failure and reduction in over all string and cable wear does the reverse draw design give IF ANY over crossbows with traditional draw designs?
As anyone who knows anything about compound crossbow design they are for most owners especially ones like me who's only choices are mastering working on them ourselves or send them back to the manufacturer and eat a LOT of downtime they are NOT simple to work on or easy to work on and WILL not if but WILL have multiple issues with string and cable wear as well as cam timing issues all of which require some method to compress the limbs to work on and change cables and strings then get your cams back in time with each other all if not done correctly will at the least result in accuracy issues at worst damage to your crossbow including potentially catastrophic damage
If reverse draw design requires significantly less draw weight to achieve the same arrow velocity as xbows using traditional draw designs one would think there is a significant chance it should reduce stress induced wear and component failure common to higher DW crossbows
But I am not a mechanical engineer so I can only guess at best as there very well may be a design threshold in crossbows that once you exceed a certain level of stress induced forces any reduction in DW UNLESS it goes below that threshold won't offer a reduction in the likelihood of stress induced wear and ultimately failure significant enough to matter
And I am reasonably certain the vast majority of crossbows currently producing a arrow velocity over 350 FPS are past that threshold
My point being crossbows of a reverse draw designs are SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than ones of traditional design and unless you must have the absolute fastest of crossbows IMO literally spending over $1500-$2000 or more for a minimum of 20-30 more FPS to a maximum of less than 100 more FPS again in my opinion only financially justifiable if it comes with a very significant degree of increased reliability and certainly not financially justifiable if they are subject to an DECREASE in reliability
My decades of working as a heavy industrial maintenance electrician tells me the more complex of a design the more likely it is to fail than one of a less complex of a design (hence German tanks in WWII VS America tanks if you will)
Reverse draw compound bow have while not great in its degree, is a more complex design with more components and I suspect a longer string and longer cables all of which usually not always but usually results in a less reliable design.
Again in my opinion a crossbow costing $2k-$3k+ is only financially justifiable if it comes with a significant increase in its degree of reliability VS crossbows costning 30-50% less because again IMO $1k-$1.5k more for an increase of only 50-60fps can only be financially justifiable if it comes with a significant degree of increased reliability
Again just my opinion
Man, how I wish I had the money for one laying around... I got myself the Supersonic XL Rev (I think it's called Ballista Bat or Reverse Draw Mini Striker in the US) a couple of months ago and it's awesome, especially for a pistol crossbow, yet I still crave a bigger one with even more power.
Nice video, my next crossbow will be a reverse limb Xbow unless the technology has improved even more. It will likely be 3-5 years given its only a couple seasons old now. on a side note the Christmas scene behind you looks great and you are certainly sharply dressed for the video!!!
Lol thanks, and you are right, you never know where the technology is going to go!
Three weapons I haven’t bought yet. For no reason other than haven’t really wanted one but I am getting older and consider it more every year. The Muzzleloader and the cross bow and traditional bow. My favorite hunting method is compound bow.
There's still time LOL but seriously there's nothing wrong with that either
Nothing wrong with doing what you love. Go where the heart is.
I sure love crossbows! Not because I was disabled or unable to use other implements. I have used recurve in the past and took a doe. But my heart is with crossbows!
Great explanation Rich. If I ever have to replace my Excalibur vortex I’m going with reverse limbs for all the reasons you brought up. When the Patton expires and materials go down in price there will be some sweet deals.🇨🇦🤔😜
Indeed, price is only go down. I shot a lot more deer this year with my excaliber crossbow than I did with this crossbow but when it comes to technology, it's pretty impressive, good luck out there!
How is it that the new TP Stealth 450 has the same 300lb draw weight as the Flatline 460 Reverse Draw?
Not sure, the difference in power stroke makes some difference and maybe there's a difference in Arrow weight?
Try shooting a matrix 380 no problem or issues, but I could understand reason why but I like the saying keep it simple method.
I always liked the Matrix 380
One other thing with the reverse limb reverse cam crossbows the also push the projectile rather than pull it. This makes it far more efficient and effective.
That's an interesting way of looking at it!
Good video. I have a reverse draw Barnett. 145 lbs limbs and a 18 inch power stroke @400 fps. I'll never go back to forward styles. I would like to add that compound bows 70' lbs and 30 inch power stroke @300 fps. Crossbow at 150 lbs is a lot, just need longer powerstroke. If you have 150 lbs on a 30 inch power stroke super fast lol
LOL can you imagine a 30-in powerstroke?
@@Deathbybunjie on a compound, imagine 300 lbs lbs lol
@@dawheele1 🤣😅
Seems like a good light one
There are crossbows that have the string come off of the front of the cam (reverse draw) without being a reverse limb crossbow. Mission crossbows for example come to mind. Very little weight up front may be harder to hold steady, too. More mass equals more inertia. A heavy object is usually easier to balance & hold steady. Balance an arrow tip on a finger and compare it to a pencil tip. An arrow will be easier to balance upright than a pencil. Add weight to the top of the arrow you are balancing, it's even easier. I am not knocking reverse limb crossbows, but I've never heard someone say a short barrel shotgun swings better than a long one. Like most things in life, there are trade offs!
Good points about inertia, and yes there are some reverse draw traditional style crossbows, I like some of the center points that do that, in fact, I'm not sure why anybody makes one that isn't reverse draw at least. Probably more patent legal stuff that I don't understand LOL
Whenever Rich does a video with his lawyering suspenders on, for some reason I feel like I'm in trouble....
LOL that's funny
Great explanation Rich of this rather complex system! I might have to seriously consider one of the new Wicked Ridge reverses draw bows for next Fall. And your presentation would make Clarence Darrow and F Lee Bailey proud counselor! Happy New Year. The Judge has just asked the jury if they've reached a verdict!
Would you say this is easy to cock with a rope cocker?
I don’t want to be messing around with a crank system , used my friends Excalibur micro 340 and found that pretty easy.
How would this compare?
If you can rope cock a 340 then you will find this a breeze
Great video on the reverse limbs. I think Darton made one a long while back. How about a video on the durability of solid limbs vs split limbs. My split limbs broke on my crossbow while the solid limbs on my compound have been very durable. I know there’s a big poundage difference. Just curious. Thanks again. Oh nice Christmas tree!
Interesting topic that's for sure, I will give that some thought!
I like your prediction about next gen crossbows being reverse limbs style, actually the new Tenpoint lineup has the majority of new models that style. Makes sense since speed sells now a day and it’ll be “new” technology. Consumers like “new”
Yes speed really does draw sales and fascination. I must say that I love the fact that the efficiency of reverse draw also can give rise to longer front end life and a more even balance.
I wanna see a reverse style Excalibur!
Now that would be something!
Thanks for the great explanations! Dumb question, but couldn't they get it to store more energy in less space by having more limb and less metal spacer (i.e making each limb half of a U or rounded V shape) instead of sticking them at the ends of a metal frame?
I think I understand what you're saying, basically make it more like a bow and make the Riser part of the limbs almost. I can't tell you one way or another, that might be the next big thing who knows!
@@Deathbybunjie Thanks!
Got good laugh at the SC change my mind reference 👍😂
LOL I've been waiting to use that one haha
Great video. I have tradition limbs 6.25 cocked.9.5 uncock.
That is awesome! Thanks for watching.
I like to see a reverse draw compound bow one day.
There is no way you can draw it even it exists, your armcan only reach that far
Awesome pic for the video
Lol, thanks, I was waiting for an opportunity to use that one haha
I hunt with 165# Aculeus...love it...primarly because most of my shots are 40 to 60 yards.
Downsides...this bow eats strings and cables for breakfast. I had a fairly new string snap just as I was removing the cocking device...crazy scary. The string angle on the trigger latch is much more sharp than conventional. After this dry fire the cam pins got tweaked. Scorpyd honored their lifetime warranty...after $200 shipping to scorpyd. Also fyi..using dows on the cams will void your warranty, and they do check for signs of this as it can effect the pins.
Personally I would rather have the weight at the end of the bow. I can hold a traditional bow far more steady free hand. The scorpyd also has a kick to it that can cause minor accuracy issues. My other bow I shoot is a center point 370. It will out shoot my scorpyd all day to 40 yards. Half dollar groups compared to dimes.i don't think I could justify spending that much on the scorpyd from my experience. I rather get a new center point every few years. Splurging on the best optics you can find is a far better investment. Hope this helps anyone
Pretty much all warranties are limited to workmanship and not me and my dowel rod haha that goes for every crossbow not just scorpyd... and I kind of agree about the center point for sure totally makes sense to me
If I have a choice, I’ll never go back to forward draw!
Indeed they are 👍😎
I am new to the crossbow Era. Lol. I appreciate your videos and information about all you describe. Very helpful!! Thank you so much. Also does your channel happen to have any free promotional items that you could send me so I can advertise for YALL down here in the south. Again thank you so much for your time and information. God bless
The only stuff I have is for sale on deathbybunjie.com and the prices are really really low... isn't a lot left now but maybe some more will be added sometime soon
Saw one a while ago, the limbs release straight up off the frame and don't make the crossbow 'wider' after a shot. NOT a so called 'vertical' bow which is just a normal bow turned on it's side. This one when cocked the limbs go straight down into the frame, and when released go straight up with no change in the width of the bow itself. No idea if that is good, bad, on anything else.
I think this stuff catches on if it is of value, eventually these things start to take root! We shall see!
@@Deathbybunjie Come to find out it's made by Raven
Untill the make a recurve version I'll have to disagree 😂 They have also lost some of there advantage with the advent to narrower front mount compound crossbows combined with semi bullpuped layouts but healthy competition is good as it leads to further innovations. However I have to agree on the higher draw weights I can't remember the exact figure but the jerk strain on any crossbow is several times higher than the draw force required to cock the crossbow which is I believe why limb breakage is going up inline with the quest for ever increasing speeds. I would say anything over 350 fps is more than adequate and if money wasn't an option after that I'd be looking for compactness, lighter weight, easier cocking and higher quality before an extra increase in speed. Equipment can only take you so far and it's up to the operator to fill any gaps with skill which is what makes it fun.
i found some text info on some patents but no number nor better info, does anyone here have info about these patents ? man lots of infos here how about that 😀
Higher draw weight absolutely requires more up keep and maintenance.
Finally it's been said. Power stroke is the be all end all in cross bows. Can you imagine the speed of a 250# Scorpid. By the way the drawing you made without the rail looked like something from Kama Sutra. Like your tree very traditional.
@scottlemee
Yes, it’s called the Nitro 505. The 505 is 300 lbs however.
When the bow is cocked if the strings and cables break they are under tension and a lot closer to your face and upper body on a traditional style with the limbs and riser in front of the strings and cable’s break on that all that force is going forward away from you not back in to you. I will take nose heavy for the little additional safety thank you.
I think they're farther away from your face than a traditional style, the traditional style they start a lot closer to your face
I'm sure they are great bows. However, I feel my Excalibur Matrix 355 is also a great bow with different attributes.
That is one of excalibur's best, that's for sure
The power stroke is really not that important. The only real advantage is maintenance or maybe quiet.?? I shoot 425 out of a R10x 40 yds & under . The arrow is there did its job before the deer even realize what took place. I pinned a ground hog to the ground at 42 yds . It’s way more about you as the hunter than the xbow reversed limbs or conventional limbs. It’s another way to sell xbows that said is it any more deadly..!! Most likely not. Deadly is shot placement..! Rich, I like your style and your educational content and agree with you more than 50% of the time.. lol 😂 keep the channel going I love watching all of them ..
I think you are wrong on recurve crossbow has more stress on their limbs, i know that most newer excaliber use 270 up wards to 300 pound limbs, sounds way higher than the compound crossbows that has only average 180 pounds. However when you realize the 180 pounds draw weight is after it being divided in half by the pully and cables. In reality you gotta 180 times 2 being 360 pounds actual stress on the limb 😂. 200 pound compound bow will be 400 pounds pressure on limbs
Ummmmm, no...
@Death by Bunjie ummmmm, you don't know what you talking about
@@dinosaurdrew7431 😅
A little off topic, but I thought the PSE Tac Crossbow was really ahead of its time. It 400+ FPS with 125lb limbs, without rails, shot through a whisker bisquit. It could be wound up and unwound like a Ravin. I think PSE might have even sued them. The only problem is that it was rather long....
PSE is such a funny company, they were one of the first ones to hit 400 ft per second but we never hear about them today. Or at least in my circles I don't hear about them. Should be all over the place! You make a great point, though, that just because they got there first doesn't mean they're there forever. We might see this technology reach other manufacturers and in the end it might make it so scorpyd is not the leader!
@Death by Bunjie yes the PSE crossbows afterward were not impressive in comparison to competition and seemed to go backwards other than size. However, they are still a top compound bow company.
Been saying this for ages haha.
Power stroke = velocity. Not draw weight.
Indeed you have! I remember 💯
how many tools do you have to bring to fix in when in the field .... all i need is an allen wrench and set of limbs or string IF something goes wrong with string or limb in the field on my excalibur and keep hunting ......this happens with reverse tech , you is going home to fix it or pay to have someone fix it, im not worried how smooth it shoots either .. i just want it to effectively kill what im shooting at .. both do it well .... but i still dont see reverse tech better than that of recurve excalibur, reverse tech has way to many negative impacts when things go wrong .. TOTALLY NOT THE BEST DESIGN ..
Well, you need a stringing aid on an Excalibur to change the string, Plus on any modern Excalibur you're going to need a crank. All I need is a dowel rod LOL
@@Deathbybunjie still running a mag 340 and a kryptek 340 so no crank needed but yes i forgot a stringing aid ... and im pretty sure you needed more than a dowel rod to replace that string from what i seen ..not to mention moving parts that usually come along with a broken string on a compound crossbow , cause in the end thats all they really are , like a barnnet but look and work different . i just cant justify paying that much for a new coach when my team winning still with what we got and making good plays too, so to speak .
According to Google, the patent expiration date is 2024-10-08. That's eight months from the date of this comment. I expect the price of reverse crossbows to drop dramatically immediately after that date.
Any comments on the Ravin vertical-limb design? It seems to make the crossbow a lot more compact and maneuvrable. Any other benefits? Is the design patented? Because it looks really cool.
I don't think that vertical limb design has really taken off, I don't have much interest in that crossbow for what it's worth
I had a strong suspicion that you would start mentioning the issue of reverse draw sooner or later.
Quieter, more efficient, better balanced, longer front end life is longer with all things being equal. What’s not to love?
Indeed, weird but good haha hope all is well!
i find it a bit weird that a this simple way of flipping the limbs around is even patentable since prior deisgns seems to exist as well
Well, I can tell you I am a lawyer, and I am just as confused about all that stuff as you are. I am not a patent guy that's for sure. I don't fully understand it but it is what it is. Patents don't last as long as copyrights, at least, so other people will be able to partake in this technology sooner rather than later.
Is bunjie in mug club?
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ah patent at play here, now i get why not many of those are made because of the "new york cut"
Yeah, that's a good point, when the patent expires there will be a lot more companies that can meet the New York requirements, the market will explode lol What will New York do then? Haha
@@Deathbybunjie they might try with "offer you cant refuse", i prefer the "opposite" crossbow like you said the power stroke gets very long (would have been fun to see a 20-21 power stroke on these), only issue is at the trigger with narrowness and angles of the string. think of the 1000-2000 pound ancient xbows with 4-5 inch power stroke, my next xbow will most likely be and opposite xbow if prices become reasonable i already have 440fps so i will wait for a 525-600 xbow
Haven't seen you on RUclips what happened
Be back soon, all good
I think these are cool but end of day I want simplicity that’s why I stay with Excalibur! Spare limbs and string I can fix it myself anywhere with 30-45 mins
You know I love my excalibur, too, but I can change the string on this in 5 minutes with a dowel rod or a screwdriver in a pinch, and with the 150 lb draw weight I don't see the limbs breaking anytime soon. They even survived that dry fire LOL which apparently is a feature I need in a crossbow haha but in the end crossbow familiarity counts for a lot and if that Excalibur gives you that it's a keeper 💯
@@Deathbybunjie I agree buddy. I think the scorpyds are cool too but honestly I can’t afford one either lol. I have a mag 340 and a matrix 405. That’s what I’m working with. That’s great you can do your own strings also so quick. How wide is your scorpyd from outside edge to outside edge?
@@stevenhicks815 outside of cams about 21 and 1/2 in
@@Deathbybunjie that’s not bad at all
Wouldn't it be a lot more dangerous to put the bolt in since the string goes all the way to the end and the power stroke is longer? No safe place to put your fingers. The other xbows you can feed the bolt in from the end.
You still feed the arrow in from the end with this one also, it still sticks out past the end of the rail and Beyond the bumpers. Remember those bumpers are there to stop it and there's no need to put your fingers past the bumpers.
@@Deathbybunjie ah cool, thanks for the answer
The way forward is 180 from what you were told who new😂😂
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You look like Rush Limbaugh in this video (may he rest in peace).
I expect when the patents run out, most crossbows will go reverse.
My bear constrictor has a 190 pound draw weight and still shoots 415
That sounds like a killer setup!
Way more expensive than most crossbows and most aren't even legal where I live ...
Wait until my next video, I review the new scorpyd which is $1,000 cheaper than anything else in its class
@@Deathbybunjie googled the 2023 scorpyde and it is actually legal in NYS....460fps...might have to look into one!!!
@@robertstreams4362 yep, that is my next video, pretty neat looking machine
@@Deathbybunjie yeah is it....will keep an eye out for your video on it
That’s funny you mentioned balance.. I’m setting up that new Burris scope on my ravin 26 and tho the scope weight being more I actually like because it helps balance out the front end weight of the crossbow I feel
That's interesting and I can 100% see that, it's kind of the same thing with the Original Bunjie!
There are so many advantages to reverse draw I'm surprised all crossbows are not made that way. 'Course anybody who does that has to pay royalties to Scorpyd.
Lot of Truth to that, the legal side of this stuff is always working behind the scenes so we never really know what the real reasons are for certain things I bet.
I still can't afford one. 😭
Old School White Board. 👍👍👍👍👍
Oh yeah LOL
Haha Steven Crowder. I had to do a double take. I thought he was doing a crossbow video
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A Rich still love bungie don't trust pulleys and wheels simplicity can not be outdone .! Under 25 yards their hit lol
Pullies and wheels are nothing to be afraid of LOL
way way to many moving parts to be the best design , we have all seen them all break in many different ways ... but you can never beat effective simplicity
It has the same amount of moving Parts as any other compound crossbow, but a lot less draw weight than recurve crossbows...
@@Deathbybunjie understandable but i myself cant fix that in the field ... ive gotta pack all those parts in incase i need to replace them ... and we have been going back on your channel to compare issues with both ... i would say excalibur is a winner there as well ..... dont get me wrong i like that scorpyd for sure ..... they look awesome but i have to pack all those parts in to the hunt or go home to fix it when something goes wrong , with my excalibur i can fix anything on them in the field in ten minutes or less and prolly not even have to leave my tree stand , pop a string on that compound crossbow you prolly changing cams and cam bearings to in this cold weather hunts up here miles out in the middle of nowhere , i also can hunt anything that you crossbow in question can aswel.But lets face it , they all have their issues . from my experience compound crossbow can cause alot of issues when in the field . Never once had an issue with any of my excaliburs
@@Deathbybunjie and please dont get me wrong , just sharing my point of view in why i left compound crossbows and not trying to be argumentative at all ,,, i think your channel is awesome and does great work .... i just cant side with a compound crossbow again after what happened with my last two from a reputable company with new tech lol ... anyways rich keep up the great work dude
Interested in watching this video, because my preconceived opinion is I HAAAAATE reverse draw crossbows! Stay tuned… 😂
LOL that's great, I hope you like the video though
@@Deathbybunjie Excellent video! The content is always A+. But to me “Reverse” crossbows are like watching someone flip a spinning reel upside down and reel it in winding backwards 🤣😂🤣 it just looks all wrong!
@@d123avek1 LOL I've seen that and it's just not right haha
I will sale you another scorpyd lol
😅 I didn't see that coming haha
I wouldn't be able to use my awesome bow hanger cause it holds the crossbow by the limbs so reverse draw SUCKS! 😉
😁🤣 in all seriousness...I get it. We like what we like 👍
@@Deathbybunjie its 50% more efficient, can't argue with that. Pretty awesome!
@@Deathbybunjie emailed you a pic of the hanger. I had to switch to zombie slayers cause dragon claws wouldn't fly with my fixed head(tuffhead 3 blade evolution) man hunting is expensive!
I have to say they have the reverse draw heads are good points and they got their bad points but I would not ever say they are the best design no way I guess I am more of a traditional guy and I like the crossbow that looks like a crossbow the reverse cam crossbow doesn't look right to me and they're ugly in my eyes
I was right there with you, and still kind of am, I like the traditional look for sure, but that's why I call these weird but good LOL
I don’t care for that design I don’t want my face that close to limbs and strings under tension. No thank you.
The Riser is close to your face but all the cams in the string are way out away from you though. Every crossbow has a string next to your face when you pull the trigger but these have the string end up farther away from you in the end.