How Tiger Mom Amy Chua Beat the Woke Mob
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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Fourteen years ago, Amy Chua published Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. It was received less like a book and more like a nuclear bomb. Here are some headlines from the time: “Why I Will Never Be a Tiger Mom.” “Why Amy Chua Is Wrong About Parenting.” “Amy Chua Is a Circus Trainer, Not a Tiger Mother.” “The Human Race Needs Elephant Mothers, Not Tiger Mothers.” “Amy Chua's Recipe for Disaster and the Externalized Cost of Book Sales.”
Then, just as the publicity around Tiger Mother died down, Amy came out with The Triple Package, about why some ethnic groups succeed. People called her racist. Then she came out in support of Brett Kavanaugh's court nomination in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal (before he was accused of sexual assault by Christine Blasey Ford). Afterward, people accused her of misogyny and grooming. And she was almost forced out of Yale for it.
Then, in 2021, she was accused of hosting boozy dinner parties during COVID lockdowns and “dinner party-gate” was born. Yale punished her by barring her from teaching her “small group” first-year student contingency.
Fast-forward to 2025. And the tables have turned.
Being a strict “tiger mom”? In. Free speech? In. Wokeness and hypersensitivity? Out.
Covid lockdowns? Definitely out. Vicious character assassinations at Senate confirmations? Out. As Free Press reporter Peter Savodnik just wrote: “The ideas that Chua was pilloried for are suddenly back in fashion.”
Just a few weeks ago, she attended the inauguration of the incoming president and vice president-one of whom happens to be her former student and mentee.
It’s easy to be a weather vane-to go where the wind blows. It's hard to be Amy Chua-to stand up for your beliefs even when they are not popular, even when it means personal consequences. On today’s episode, live in D.C. during inauguration weekend, Chua explains how and why she won-and what it feels like to be vindicated.
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I like what Amy said: American has room for many kinds of talent. This is very important and we should keep it that way.
Yes, but schools have limited budgets and the amount of money, attention, and praise that sports receive compared to clubs like science olympiad or speech and debate is nowhere close to the same level.
@@aol1117 public schools don't usually pay for football uniforms and other athletic equipment. Those are usually funded by private grants or donors, or separate fundraising activities.
@ I think the way each district distributes money varies. Some can prioritize math, science, robotics and pay overtime to teachers who run these clubs. They do that for sports coaches from what I have seen. They can also support them simply by attending competition events or as part of morning announcements or by praising and singling out students who participate in these areas and win competitions. I have never seen a principal attend a science olympiad competition while they rarely would miss an important football game. All attention, support and praise typically goes to football, basketball and baseball teams and the difference between how the students in sports are treated compared to those that participate on math and science teams is stark.
I remember all those years ago, Jeff Jacoby wrote an op-ed column for the 'Boston Globe' in which in wrote something like: Chinese kids aren't smarter than other kids; it's just that their parents make them do their homework.
GO AMY!!! As a fellow Asian tiger mom, we care not about being accepted by woke organizations. We merely care about success and happiness for our children. Screw the critics!!
> success and happiness
A close friend killed himself largely because of pressure to succeed from his overbearing tiger mom. I hope that doesn't happen to any of your children.
You care about success and happiness for your children, not being accepted by "woke organizations." Would you list some Asian and Black "woke organizations"? And would you be a furious Big Cat if your child wanted to be a nurse, public school educator, or manager at McDonald's, for example?
Is it really about happiness? or is it more about success and pride. That doesn't lead to real happiness in many people. And kids aren't born in a mould. Some parents do have kids that are agreeable, that can concentrate and work hard. But not everyone is like that, and tremendous damage can be done to good kids who feel that they are not good enough and are judged harshly for their abilities, character and interest. That is not a good thing.
In Asia the maids and nannies raise the kids not the mothers
@@Zod741 thats the very rich
The Free Press is doing so many good interviews! Thank you!
She's a person of principle! I love this interview.
Topic suggestion: How to foster a child's moral development and set them up for success? I think this is very important for our society right now and for our future generations.
Her nervousness to go back to Yale is a total validation of why DEI and the woke society need to be relegated to history
It's terrible that this lady who is clearly so successful and passionate about teaching students, but she is scared about returning to he University. Oh - and that University is Yale.
If "Miss Amy" is scared to return to Yale University that's on her, as she has the skills to put them in their place.
As a woke ADOS*, I'd like to know why certain White numbskulls and knuckle-draggers hijacked and weaponized the term, and generalized it to include folks involved with other concerns -- the "pronoun crowd" and political partisans, for example? Its real meaning is steeped in Black culture and used by members to distinguish themselves from low-information Blacks who are ignorant of historical and current events that affect the lineage, which is me letting charity prevail. Here I'm referencing MAGA cultists and White Nationalists, many of whom are afraid because they're no longer the country's default Americans with all the rights, duties, and privileges thereof. Last, like clockwork, the country perpetrates physical, psychological, and political warfare on ADOS preventing it from being COLLECTIVELY SELF-DETERMINED. Yet our free- and low-wage labor built America's stealth economics. Pay up. Restorative Justice is required, not the usual backhand. Then leave us alone. Side-Eye.
*ADOS, the lineage known as the American Descendents of Slaves.
She didn't say she was scared
@@ValerioVota 3.18 - "I'm scared to go back to Yale after this event".
I don’t understand why sleepovers are not allowed is controversial. Even in a Latino family we were never allowed, except for cousins/ family.
Because it's a cultural staple of many North American childhoods.
It's fun, it's just a bonding experience for many kids.
Sleepovers are part of the normal NAmerican kid experiences and they are not seen as "wrong".
But if kids/parents don't want to do it, that's fine too.
An informative and enjoyable discussion. I read Political Tribes twice, yet I think Amy normalizes Trump’s actions now, and Bari could have pushed back more… before going for drinks. 🧐
That’s Amy’s opinion-get over it
Its good that things are changing and wokeness is ending
@@StellaDee-l9eyep, sleepovers are part of growing up - it’s a pretty important piece ..
OMG... I wrote an essay about Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother for my ENGL 201 class ten years ago. I thoroughly enjoyed that assignment and her book.
Hard to believe this beautiful woman is 62!
Those cheek bones weren’t given to her by nature.
I would bet that Barry Weiss and I have less things in common than we have in common but I think she is one of the coolest people and know she would be one of my best friends. Just a classy person.
Love Bari & Amy! This interview is so awkward watching Amy be afraid to say her students & colleagues, meaning the overall mindset of Yale is still woke / cancel culture
While most of the country is celebrating the new freedom from the woke yoke, sadly it’s not the same for those of us stuck in very blue areas. It’s still oppressive. We celebrate with the rest of you and it gives us hope but yeah I get what she’s saying. The smug judgment and ostracizing and presumption of being woke is still there in the blue areas. Sure as the results showed we all went and expressed ourselves in the privacy of the voting booth but outside it’s still tough.
A talent scout . . . you are exactly where you should be . . . a teacher
Was waiting for this one!!
I remember her!! There was soooo much press against her back then. She's right. Certain groups of folks do parent their children differently. Putting a HIGH emphasis on education and developing skills in activities be it in sports, music, and arts. Making sure their children develope the focus and discipline needed to succeed in life.
I adore this woman, amazing academic and writer. Her work on ‘Political Tribes’ 👏 but also her honesty on motherhood and parenting
I get sooo offended and annoyed when people say abolish prisons and defund the police. These are not just funsy opinions, they are positions with hugely dangerous real life consequences. I call it out every time I hear it, which has happened way more times than I’m comfortable with.
Thank you for introducing me to Amy Chua. Groundbreaking.
Love Bari, and love Prof Chua! Excellent interview!!
Gently parenting has created all the brats that we see today!! I see my girlfriends not able to control their children because they are afraid of their own children 🙄Stop this madness!
If kids don’t respect their parents then that’s a really bad environment and they’ve been raised wrong
Some parents do have kids that are agreeable, that can concentrate and work hard. But not everyone is like that, and tremendous damage can be done to good kids who feel that they are not good enough and are judged harshly for their abilities, character and interest. That is not a good thing.
Brat, apparently, is a good thing to this generation. As in, Kamala was brat, and that was a good thing.
Americans in general are too smart to let the degenerate culture of a few DEI people.
True. I think there needs to be balance. Too harsh you scar your kids and it can be emotional abuse. Too soft they don’t respect you or learn discipline and boundaries
@ But the West has plenty of opportunities to live comfortably if you work reasonably hard and don't spend crazily. People are just obsessed with career or making money... Part of it is a spirit of poverty. Most people easily have enough money, yet they continue to count every penny their whole lives as if they have nothing. Wrong priorities.
Regarding the culture on college campuses, my recent experience, as a graduate TA who has taught a gen ed literature course for the past several years at a midwestern state university, is as follows:
The undergraduate student body, while it definitely leans Democrat, is not overall stereotypically "woke." (I understand the situation might be a bit different at "elite" universities.) Plenty of the students I've taught who are broadly liberal will casually use phrases like "both genders" without a second thought - not because they're trying to make a statement, but because that's just their default way of thinking. Some might even use the expression "colored people" rather than "people of color," in which case I gently suggest to them that the former is not really used nowadays. In the past election, most students here voted for Harris, but of the 40-odd students I taught last semester, there were as many students sporting Trump signage as Harris signage (in the form of hats, laptop stickers, etc.), which is to say one of each.
One thing which I do find unfortunate is that on average, the more "woke" individuals tend to be better students - they analyze texts more insightfully, write clearer and more mechanically sound papers, etc. While that in and of itself isn't a bad thing - the more good students I have, the better, as far as I'm concerned - it does suggest to me that woke beliefs and ways of thinking are enmeshed within K-12 education (particularly high school education), and therefore tend to be picked up by students who genuinely want to learn. Someone who pays attention in class and puts effort into their assignments will "improve" in wokeness at the same time they improve their reading and writing skills, in other words. Such students do receive better grades in my classes - while I disagree with their politics, they're producing good work - but I find it concerning that the most curious and industrious students are primed toward a particular ideology because they're doing the things students are supposed to do.
I saw earlier that someone replied to me with a lengthy and in-depth comment. I was just about to respond, but it looks like the comment is gone. In any case, if the person who left the comment can see this, I appreciate the response!
At my university most of the students are woke and the best students lean conservative quietly because they’ll be in big trouble socially if they come out about it
People don’t want to hear views that counter their life choices and lack of success. That would involve taking personal responsibility. It’s easier to blame “the system.”
Those Yale colleagues are disgusting. I don’t care what your political views are if your mentee becomes the VIce President (especially overcoming his early life hardships) a school should 100% support your being at the inauguration. I would never be negative to a colleague on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me who goes to support a former student. Any Yale professors icing her out should be ashamed because teaching and mentoring is not truly their mission.
Teach students that having a target on your back is an opportunity to show courage and conviction and that you aren't going to be phased but continue to mentor, teach in a classy way.
There's more than one way to be successful in life, but I've yet to encounter anyone who didn't work very hard for it.
Great interview!
Amy is not burdened by an agreeable disposition. Hurray for the Amys in the world!
Until she is disagreeable to you and tells you off. Then no doubt you'd change your point of view.
@@BDub2024Seriously. People always romanticize A**sholes for their humor or bravado or whatever - until they’re in a position where they have to put up with their bs.
What Chua said at 49:05 totally made me think she still has not learned the lesson of common sense. Why did Trump give democRATs change? Because he wanted to give them some common cents.
She's got some real distracting, funky body language and facial expressions...
@@jjayneartworkxPTSD - despite working very hard and being in the top percentile she gets to be in a very difficult position every day and she respects herself and her values too much to give up- battle scars
@@jjayneartworkxmust be part Italian! 😂
Read Battle Hymn years ago. Amazing book and can’t thank Amy enough for her help with raising my own kids
She looks a bit tired and stressed. I hope she can take time to rest and recuperate and have down time, because we all need it. But excellent speaker and looks great. Don't get me wrong. But I think destressing and timeout can be wonderful relief.
Prof Chua tried to clarify Vivek’s point but missed to clearly state where he’s right and where he missed. The problem is that sports are the only place where merit success is allowed while it is quashed elsewhere. The smart kids aren’t celebrated. We are no longer allowed to have science fairs with prizes because the dumb kids feel like losers (it’s not like everyone but the dumb kids get a prize just a few do but somehow it’s ok to say no awards in academic pursuits but sports champs are celebrated). Everyone gets an A and we have to get rid of standardized tests that objectively show not every child is intellectually brilliant. Different children have different gifts and they should be allowed to compete and be winners in their areas. Stop with this coddling of the dumb lazy kids to the detriment of the smart kids. The dumb kids may be good at other things, celebrate that, don’t falsely praise them in intellect and punish the others to protect their feelings.
Tiger Mother had a few good points, but also points that was just cruel one size fits all. Some parents do have kids that are agreeable, that can concentrate and work hard. But not everyone is like that, and tremendous damage can be done to good kids who feel that they are not good enough and are judged harshly for their abilities, character and interest. That is not a good thing.
If you actually read the book, it’s an approach to parenting when you do your best for your particular kid, rather than a few good points. Everyone can benefit from learning value of consistent effort, that’s the point, in my opinion.
@@anyam7633 read the book about 8 years ago. it was all about achievement and seemed to promote superficial qualities at times. There is something richer about life than having two children and then making it a target to make them successful according to your metrics of success. Anyway of course she made some good points, but strikes me as a social climber and not necessarily tolerating the broad spectrum of society only those that achieve. That then becomes an ego thing.
Wow, this is an inspiring conversation between two very bright women. Worth spending an hour with !
Amy Chua endured. I remember back in the day, I wondered if Ms Chua was from the Caribbean.😂
She lived in the Phils, Chinese parents.
@ yes, I looked it up. But from what she was saying, is not much different from other immigrant parents of different cultures.
The self victimhood is so obnoxious.
Many accuse ADOS of always playing victim, for example, and insist it's why they are America's bottom caste. Given the lineage's metrics of well-being, how do they become COLLECTIVELY self-determined, like White folks, for example?
Very honest interview.. Appreciate it.
I work in the wedding industry. Wedding receptions completely changed in 2017/18 because of the me too movement and cancel culture. It's been very tough on brides and grooms. On families. On us all. Young people are afraid to dance because they might get in trouble. Many weddings eliminated alcohol entirely. It's been really tough. I just hope Americans start to dance again
There's a middle ground between harsh inhumane expectations put on children by these beast mothers and the irresponsible I'm your friend parents. Both create mostly sad people
Agreed. Some parents do have kids that are agreeable, that can concentrate and work hard. But not everyone is like that, and tremendous damage can be done to good kids who feel that they are not good enough and are judged harshly for their abilities, character and interest. That is not a good thing. Society needs gentle and kind young people that are motivated by different things than academic success and competitiveness.
True. I think there needs to be balance. Too harsh you scar your kids and it can be emotional abuse. Too soft they don’t respect you or learn discipline and boundaries
@@HannahAdelstein-bf5tw Sometimes having a lot of kids is the best way of having the balance. Keeps things in perspective and teaches kids not to be self absorbed and selfish.
Good interview
Enjoyed this conversation, have been a fan of Amy Chua's for a long time.
Her ideas (not the Tiger Mom book) on America's model, ethnic "success", tribalism, etc. were ahead of the mainstream conversation and many of her ideas and theories resonate.
She is also an engaging communicator to listen to.
Glad she survived "cancellation". She looks great here, too.
Disagree with Bari that Tiger Parenting is IN.
Not attacking any community in any way - I'm a child of immigrants (different group) myself and do see positive cultural influences and results from many groups. The "American" way has its own flaws, and could learn.
But it also offers more flexibility and pathways that help many people thrive in different ways, than many other societies.
Tiger Parenting may work for some, but not all. Wish more people would be more honest about the cost of some of this pressure.
Not everyone wants to be, can be or should be, a "doctor, lawyer or engineer".
As a former educator and in different settings, have seen unhealthy levels of pressure, inability to make own independent decisions, creative "sparks" killed in favour of "academic" success, etc. as a result this type of pressure. Not to mention sometimes being pushed into some shady academic behaviour because of the same pressure, particularly certain groups.
(All of this goes for American homegrown kids of "Tiger Parents", too).
But overall a great conversation here that touched on a few things.
Amy is great. So is Bari.
Some parents do have kids that are agreeable, that can concentrate and work hard. But not everyone is like that, and tremendous damage can be done to good kids who feel that they are not good enough and are judged harshly for their abilities, character and interest. That is not a good thing.
tiger parenting isn't in. but most important parenting must be kindness, discipline and communication. her approach can just lead to stressed kids that have priorities in the wrong place. its not all about being the best in society and it won't lead to contentment.
I have always admired Amy. I wish I would have applied to Yale. I would live in classes and with educators like her. She’s a treasure .
People trust the law till they see who is making it.
Love Amy’s courage. Inspiring
You're an amazing interviewer!
I have read a few of Chua's books. Time well spent.
Amy Chua, it's my pleasure to remind you that you're having this interview with one of the problems with America. She might have left NYT, but NYT is still very much in her.
How so?
How? She talks to everyone of all views and is so nice and respectful and fair.
Grow up!
I read this book before I gave birth to my daughter. Insightful read and loved it!!!
🙂Hopefully that "-beating-"meant only getting things done in business faster than the competition. If it didn't then for a long time there will be more quesitons to come.
She is 62? 😮👍
Genetic freak
Love Beri!! ❤️
The Tiger Mom fiasco was the weirdest non-scandal. "Some mother somewhere whom you don't even know and will never meet is strict with her kids and writes a funny book about it." I didn't understand why in the world this was even a story, let alone a controversial one.
Wow, she is 62 years old!!
Amy Chua looks so youthful. She can pass off as JLo's daughter. JLo whom everyone praises for looking amazing for her age? No way.
I love Bari and have been a paid subscriber of TFP since the begining, but she can't hide her contempt for those that she believes are not in her "class". It's how she approached president Trump, and when I was listening to this conversation and Amy was trying to make the point that some people have valuable talents and traits beyond brains and Amy said for a Prom Queen it takes a lot of - Bari said make-up - it shows what she really thinks of beatiful people who are admired by their peers. Maybe she was never a Prom Queen. The same type of women who said the bathing suit competition should be removed from BEAUTY pagents, because it was insulting, don't understand the discipline it take to have a good physique. Athletes often make great leaders.
I didn't hear the comment yet but it's ridiculous nowadays how people read so much into single little comments people make..and what does beauty have to do with class? You really don't know how someone views whole groups of people based on one comment, no one could
@@GloryGlory-q1bThe commenter is referring to beauty as a class itself, not economic classes.
Linda said she was a paid sub-and she’s absolutely correct about bari
@spiderqueen601 well that's dumb, being beautiful isn't related to being in her class
I miss my mom
read her book. kept her five year old outside in the winter until she would practice her piano.
That’s abusive
Was she serious
Kid needs to be disciplined. That's what American families lack.
I wonder if we are at the precipice of realizing DEI is the cause of our downfall or that the rich and privileged become the most successful regardless of skill or merit, and today's problems are a byproduct of those years and years of nepotism.
You wonder?
Would love to see a "go-getter" overachieving mother of Indian background write her memoir, Bengal Tiger Mom. There are many amazing ones here in the United States.
It is surprising to find so many socialists among the Bengali mothers whose books won’t get the same reception
Wow wow - great discussion
Bravo to Amy.❤
Students feeling free to express viewpoints- warms my heart❤️ especially the people who aren’t “warm fuzzies”
My dad told me growing up America was a country of mediocrity. He’s just a white American and was a chiropractor. I wasn’t offended by Vivak’s tweet lol.
I wasn’t offended either but I understood why people were upset because he essentially attacked all movies all TV all proms and all sports
Amy Chua is iconic
My 15-yr old daughter is an amazing piano player now in part because I read Tiger Mom. (I never burned her dollhouses.)
Good. Yeah please don’t go too far
I’m listening. 48:53. 45:50.
I really admire her energy and intelligence.
Vow! Long time no see! Unfortunately, Yale still owns her, she should go to Austin, Texas with Niall Ferguson! Amy Is my Hero!!
I love Amy, but she is a challenge to listen to.
Bari is one of my favorite interviewers. I also think she is misunderstood. Asking questions to get the interviewee to open up should not be interpreted as supporting one point of view or another.
I only attribute a belief to Bari, or any other good interviewer (Michael Moynihan, Nick Gillespie) when they express it as such. Bari says she is a Zionist so that is given.
Amy is interesting. I like her. I don’t agree with all her positions but so what. Who does anyone agree with all the time?
Lots of ‘I don’t know’, but interesting to read between the lines of what she knows and doesn’t.
Her children succeeded very well -she referenced this as proof of winning
I agree with not sleepover because I don’t want to take a chance my kids might get molested. Maybe it is fine if other kids sleepover under my watch. It is fine if other parents also think the same as me.
Hey Bari did you publicly apologize to Tulsi and to all of us for your biased and slanderous gossip on her? I used to be your fan until I saw and heard you on Joe. I was very disappointed in you. Whenever I see you I think of it. Very disappointed.
Yes. She did. It was also years ago. Bari has allowed lots of FP people notably Batya to come out in strong support of her. People change
I wonder if I will ever get to see my family again
Amy Chua is very funny. Love her.
Their kids are raised in a rich neighborhood, as if that kind of environment does not play a role? It's not as though she raised them in poor immigrant community.
This woman is 62? Yikes! Looking good Amy!
Yeah.
What’s a mom, Bari?
You know what a tiger is, a mom is, so many words is, but woman???? Somehow you… A WOMAN, doesn’t know?!
Hint #BriannaWuIsAMan
Wow she's aging magnificently!
great interview but can’t stand all the umd
Amy is a mega-babe
I love Amy but she was kinda careful about here opinions. For instance, she never came out and said she liked what Trump is doing or even if she supported him and she didnt say whether Vivek was right when he said America does not value academic excellence but instead focuses on unimportant matters.
I have to say, that while i respect her for speaking her opinion and sticking by it, I'm surprised that an author and Yale professor seemed to have so much trouble articulating her opinion and stories. She was hard to listen to.
hopefully she's unburdened by what has been from now
She reminds me of Camille Paglia with just a few less uppers
I think she might have had a little work done.
Barry talking about being a weather vein is ironic, I’ve seen her blow with the political wind more than most. Free speech has always been in vogue for those of us who champion it, I only wish Barry had the courage to do so full time, not just when it’s convenient or “in”.
Team Candace Owens.
In the end if you live for 80 years average, the best gift of a parent is to help the child have values of giving, contentment, happiness and encourage the child to prioritise this and families. I think the promise of a top job and big money, is an empty promise when it actually happens. In the West if you work sensibly and don't spend crazily you will have enough to survive and be happy hopefully all your life. The balance in your life will help protect you in the future.
True, money and material success does not bring true fulfillment, so many rich people are miserable. We need to value family, community, God, and making the world a better place
What a woman
Amy mom tiger hawk tuah
"Free Press"
Why not? They interview all sorts of people
Hawk Chua
Going to a top school is important, I admit. But humanity , the character comes first. How smart , efficient you are doesn’t matter at the end of day.
The irony of saying that students don’t want to sacrifice themselves to speak out against “defund the police” but ignoring and somewhat demonizing the students who are “sacrificing themselves” speaking out against Israel’s genocide is astounding. Looks like there’s a bias there.
The reading of the Venezuelan oil industry strikes is so wrong. Chávez did win but the rest is so off targer.
Does The Free Press cover anything other than wokeness? The last dozen videos seem cover the same topics. It's pretty boring.
Yes, they cover all sorts of things, go to their website and read their articles, and I bet the next video will be different
The same old tired discussions, is there really nothing of actual substance to report on?
It is interesting, if the woke tide is finally ebbing. That gives hope to other countries who are still dealing with it.
Woke movement almost destroyed America. We stopped it. It might still destroy Europe. This is a huge moment in history. Next four years will be critical to the trajectory of humanity.
Honey, you don’t have to be interested, but others are…you can watch something else
Bari's inability to feel compassion for the Palestinians has soured me on her. Her protection of her faith is extremely narrow-minded. She's dysfunctionally about it.
That is false, she interviewed a Palestinian Israeli and Palestinians, and showed a lot of care, but in any case your comment has zero to do with this video
She is secular, a descentant of Jews. Her partner is a woman.