Sharpening the Hogue Mini Ritter RSK in Magnacut
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2023
- The original listing for the product was taken down because it has been discontinued as it was a SPRINT RUN. However I found it on the wayback machine and here is proof :)
imgur.com/a/PinOMLF
if you want to check the waybackmachine yourself here is the link to search
knifeworks.com/doug-ritter-rs...
A surprising sharpening job and mini rant. I hate how Hogue and other manufacturers can't be trusted to ship knives to spec.
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heh, I just got my first Hogue last week -- a full-sized RSK in Magnacut. So far I like the design and ergonomics a lot. Haven't done enough with it to judge edge retention, but it did take a very sharp edge.
Interesting. Mine is set to be delivered tomorrow, October 12th. Will have to check it out thoroughly.
This was specifically from the sprint run which offered 63-64 hrc. I imagine yours is not from that run? Hopefully you'll be happy with it 👍
I bought a Deka wanting the exact same thing, a folder in magnacut steel, since I did not have any(I also have loads of knives).
Just like you, I am not in the US. My Deka came with a very wonky assymetrical sharpening job. You could see two separate lines on the edge of the rough and fine sharpening steps. When resharpening the thing with a fixed angle system, I found out that the tip of the blade was burned to $hit, as well as was the entire edge, but not even close to how the tip was ruined. The steel came off of the tip at least twice as fast as on the rest of the blade. This turned into a separate "tip belly" I managed to save somehow, but I don't think I even grinded all of the ruined steel on the tip.
I contacted their support, gave them all the info and they were "looking into it". I asked them to send out a new blade, as that is the cheapest solution for both parties. I asked for updates a few times and they just came up with excuses and then completely ghosted me in the end. That was so disappointing, since I even shelled out 90$ for some custom CF scales for the damn thing.
US companies knives in many cases are overpriced and their impeccable craftmanship/warranty claims are pure BS. If you are not in the US they could not give a rats a$$ about your warranty. I confirmed this with Cold Steel, SOG and now Hogue.
They are no better than the reputable Chinese manufacturers, some are even worse these days. Even a budget(or mid depending on your budget) manufacturer like Petrified Fish offered to send me a new knife for free when the detent ball fell out on one of their knives (it was an easy fix I did myself since I did not lose the ball).
Benchmade sent me replacement omega springs with no hassle, but if the issue was bigger, not sure how it would go.
I still didn't get a Spyderco that needs to be warrantied for any reasonably serious issue and I have gotten about 10 of them by now. But that should be the norm not the exception, as I have 20+ Kizer knives that I can say the same thing about and they are probbably in total less expensive than the 10 Spyderco's.
Ok, Hogue is on the good list again. Though they ghosted me initially, a package was delivered in the end after a while.
Oh nice! Glad you had some success with them
This is why I chose to only buy magnacut from a custom maker. I got mine ($3 dive knife from Cypress Creek), and it was kinda pricy at $300USD after shipping but the product absolutely delivered on all the magnacut promises and in a beautifully done grind that lets you use the benefits of magnacut.
Soft magnacut in a poorly done heat treatment completely negates the factors that make it great in the first place. Edge stability, stain resistance, wear resistance from high hardness, etc are so dependent on heat treat and magnacut is only worth it from a high quality maker otherwise it's just not that much better than regular 440c or something
I picked up the Deka from the first run in Magnacut. It was awful in so many ways, and my experience wasn't an isolated one. I was hoping they would go back to the drawing board with it, but i guess they didn't.
Looks like they've tuned their quality for maximum profit 🫠
I Just mailt hogue yesterday if i can get a dekka wharncliff for testing but no Response yet, nice sharpening job on this one, the Mini Ritter is such a beautiful knife its a shame that it its treated so soft
Yeah it's really disappointing, such a nice design and size. Could have been an excellent EDC! Good luck getting a Dekka 👍
Hello. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
I only have 1 knife from Hogue, the Extrak in m4, which i received recently. I do not have a good idea about it's performance yet, but it does feel hard on the ceramics i use to touch it up, and it takes a very aggressive edge. The fit and finish are great, as well.
I do not know if i am personally lucky with my specific knife, but with all honesty i would like to recommend this:
Be a bit more patient and try again next month.
It is summer time for the western hemisphere and people go on holidays. Most companies are underhanded this time of the year, and many people on these customer support positions replace those who are on leave.
Do not let 1 stupid person ruin your overall impression of a company. Sprint runs have this risk.
I do believe that if you contact someone else from their customer support, you will get a replacement. I honestly do not know how much the rsk cost you in total at UK, but i am sure the cost is worth a second attempt.
I had similar experiences with companies in the past. With patience and politeness, i was usually successful.
Thanks for your feedback man! I'm sure I was one of the few who got one out of spec and the majority are fine. But I'm still upset that we can't be 100% that what we order will arrive to spec. Imagine buying a car and you're not 100% sure the seatbelts work!! You're right that I shouldn't let one idiot spoil my knife and my mood though 👍
I also ordered one of these and I'm in Canada, so also took forever to get it, got it in mid-May. Mine came out of the box with a chip on the edge already (I was like wtf? I've read this is common if a steel is soft?) and also the tip wasn't sharpened down all the way. I don't know how to describe it, like the bevel at the tip looks like the guy sharpening on a belt went down half way and just said "ok", and left it, and it's like that on both sides. My scales are also ridiculously coarse and completely unpocketable, I can't even wipe it with a tissue or cotton swab or alcohol wipe as it instantly rips it and leaves the fibres in the scale which makes it even worse.
Sorry for your misfortune man! Chips are usually less common with softer steels as they're usually less brittle. However it sounds like you had a burned edge from over heating when they sharpened it. Sucks that you had a new knife arrive in such bad condition :(
Hello sir. How does it perfom at 61.5 Hrc?
Interesting video,, thanks,, on a different topic, I've just got a convex bushcraft knife, so I'm going to re-view your bark river convex sharpening video,, (but, on a good stropping on the factory edge, it performs well with the rizzla's,, )
All the best,, John..
That's great 👍 happy to hear you've got a nice knife. Stropping can go a long way so that should keep you going for a while, let me know if you need any help with the convex sharpening
@@stroppystuff641
Thanks Max, it's a RealSteel Bushcraft+ knife, in 14c28n, as I wanted something very tough, yet easy to sharpen, so far, very impressive knife for £85 !! (much cheaper than a Bark River,
ha ha,,)
All the best,, John
@@John..18 Let me know how you like it, I've been considering picking one up too. Some guys on the DBK server got one and it looked real good. I've got a Real Steel Luna which is a nice little UK EDC and it's great
underperforming steels seem to be a real problem, i remember transparent knives testing a hinderer which was too soft, as a result rick sent him a cease and desist letter which completely turned me off that brand.
lionsteel had a few horribly treated m390 knives in the past (not sure if they are doing better now) but i remember that some of their tre models turned out to be comically low at 52rw.
personally i never had a bad experience with hogue's customer service (quite the opposite, they sent me replacement scales and screws when the clip of my deka fell out), i also am pretty happy with the performance of my magnacut deka, s30v k320 and cpm-154 mf-1, but obviously i haven't tested them.
What about the 20CV version? Is that heat treated consistently well?
I'm not sure I haven't tried one. But I believe only the sprint run of the mini rsk was meant to be 63-64 so I imagine the full size Magnacut one is within their normal spec which I believe is 61-62?
Great video Max, hogue were on my list of knives to buy but after this palava I’ll probably abstain
You probably have a good chance of the knife you buy from them being to spec, but I hate how they treated me and I hate that they can't be 100% trusted so I won't be buying another, but if you had your heart set on one you'll probably be alright
Maybe they changed the specs?. It says 61-63 hrc for the rsk’s , but 62-64 hrc for the deka in magnacut what’s up with that?
Mine was from the sprint run, the spec for the sprint was 63-64 :(
Yeah that’s a disappointment for sure
I have to say the deka wharcliffe in 20cv was as perfect as a knife could get. Best out of the box knife and has beem great. The deka magnacut what underwhelming and it did seem soft. It took a while but it got very keen. Subsequent sharpenings has seemed to improve the longevity but its not the showstopper i thought it would be.
It's an ergonomic nightmare. Well made but funky in the hand..no thanks
I've always fancied a Hogue Ritter RSK. The hassle of ordering from the USA is the only thing that's put me off. Given all of Hogue's work on Magnacut, I'd assumed they'd have it down by now.
So what knife companies do you recommend for magnacut? Or models
Unfortunately I'm not a fan of Magnacut, I've not found anyone does it well. Spyderco has a good track record of decent HT but their Magnacut mule was baaaad. Imo if you've never had complaints about knife steels in the past then just get whatever you like. If you want high performance then maybe look at Spyderco M4 or Cru-wear blades. They rock
@@stroppystuff641 thank you
Thanks for the vid. I have one of those waiting to ship to me, but I'll admit the bubble is burst now. I am probably one of those who can't tell the difference. So I have to thank you doubly. One (I assume very very) basic question: how could you tell you were under-angling when stropping? I don't know how to find the right stropping angle, thanks
90% chance yours will be to spec so no need to worry, I'm just salty that they treated me badly and that it happens so prevalently in the knife industry. I could tell I was under angling by the feel and sound. If you think of the sharpened bevel as a flat spot then when you over angle the apex will scratch across the leather and when you under angle it the shoulder of the bevel will scratch across the leather. The shoulder doesn't "scratch" as badly because it's rounded obviously but it feels and sounds different to the smooth sharpened bevel.
Being you live overseas...They Definitely didn't handle the situation right!! They put the Spec up to specifically get people to buy it!! I've never trusted hogue... Magnacut is definitely a weird steel at 60/61 I hate it!! But at a True 63/64 it is a totally different Beast!! Mcnees does a Great job on their Magnacut!! Haven't had it Rockwell tested But I've been using it a lot and it's been staying screamin Sharp just an occasional strop Anyways hopefully you'll get your hands on some Good Heat treated Magnacut!! I was ready to give up on Magnacut till a grabbed a McNees!! Thanks for the Great info. 👊🏼 :EDIT I've never trusted them since When they switch from m390 to 20 CV and had super soft 20 CV probably 5yrs ago!! Maybe a little less.
Interesting...because the rsk's on knifework's website are advertised at a hrc 61-63.
This was a sprint run, not the same as the listing you're looking at
@@stroppystuff641oh ok what was it the fluted carbon fiber? My opinion on all this is I understand your reasons to be annoyed but no Co is perfect. They offered a resolution. They can't let you keep the other 1. Cause people would be sending in emails left and right to get free knives. Like other guy said it's protocol. Also it's less then a $200 knife. So it's not that deep. And Doug Ritter has done more for the knife community then any1 I know.
I have also found magnacut hard to deburr
I’m cool with an honest bash video. I think the problem is, manufacturers haven’t sorted out the heat treat yet. Saw a similar thing with S30V being chippy 20yrs ago. It took 5-10yrs before it got sorted out industry wide. Some still can’t heat treat it. M390 and 20CV are consistently tested out very soft. The makers are trying to cut down on warrantied knives, so they heat treat them soft. But they are charging an arm and a testicle for the premium steel, which when heat treated soft, doesn’t perform for shit. Generally, you are better off to get the basic steel, which tends to be heat treated much better and just pocket the difference. Instead of blowing a lot on steel, go get some AWT scales to put on the basic knife. THAT is an improvement that is almost guaranteed to put a smile on your face, given the precision and quality of their scales.
yeah AWT scales are sick! I've got 2 pairs for a PM2 and a Manix 2. Love them
I agree with every point you made. Sorry to see and hear the disappointment in this video. Thank you for sharing your experience with Hogue.
Thank you for the support! it's nice to know I'm not alone with this view point, It often feels like it's not held by many.
Being in the UK, is it illegal for you to own locking knives? Or is it that you cant walk around with them?
It's illegal to walk around with them in public without a sufficient reason 😢
@@stroppystuff641 So it's like liberalism here in the States. You're not supposed to have anything for self defense. Just let the criminal kill you.🤣 It's so stupid.
@@robthompson8285absolutely, if you get attacked in the UK you're expected to just surrender and die :) Fun times, the police wouldn't come out even if called either 🤣
The rant videos might be my favorite though
I've always like the Benchmade Ritter over the Hogue Ritter.
yeah i havent had a good experience with hogue and keep making videos like this, helps the community
Ive been really disappointed with Hogue tbh, probably the worst thing about them and the Deka in particular is that they are really dangerous to keep in your left pocket if you use the clip. Right pocket seems okay, but in the left they tend to partially open, I clipped off a piece of my ring finger a while back because of it. Not a huge fan of their blade shapes, thickness or heat treatment either tbh.
Just return it for a replacement. Youll be better off that way. No one ships blades alone. Sad they said it was in spec.
It was a sprint run I doubt they even have any spares. They sold out on March 16th and I didn't receive it until June. They'd probably send me a non sprint variant which wouldn't be 63-64
I know that this is old news but I also got this knife and I got a warranty blade replacement in May 23'.
People put up because, if you can cut the odd paracord and just do the day to day🎉 use, there happy. 61, 63, People buying a sub $200 knife just want something that's easy to share and has a decent edge retention.
DAMMIT! I literally just purchased the purple fat carbon mini.... I think it's in 20cv.... Heard nothing but great things until I run into this damn video..... I REALLLLYYY need to quit impulse buying....
This one was a sprint run with higher than usual hardness specification (which it didn't meet). I'm sure yours will be fine as it's their"normal" spec. They're still slimy though 🤣
While I don't think Ritter/Hogue handled the situation properly, the fact remains that they were willing to exchange the knife for a new one and that one of the author's friends did receive a knife with an HRC of 63.5 -- within the advertised range. Get a defective knife, exchange it for a new one is the basic protocol. The situation is not one where Ritter/Hogue is intentionally ripping people off by falsely advertising an HRC of 63-64 -- as his friend got one that fell within this advertised range. The author's complaints about not wanting to pay customs charges is his problem, not the company's. He should return the knife for an exchange or stop goddamn whining.
You realise they HT in large batches right? So whoever got a blade from the same batch as me was also screwed. Chances are the next guy doesn't have a Rockwell hardness tester do they? So they're sitting around with a knife below spec and nobody to spread the awareness for them to be careful around Hogue.
@stroppystuff641 it looks like you missed the part where he said hogue didn't intentionally do that. I've had loads and loads of knives, many of them from Hogue. Never had a single problem from them. Nothing in the fit and finish, nothing in the way they functioned. I've seen/heard people talk with customer service and none of the exchanges with them have been bad until this video. Sometimes 💩 happens.
@@stroppystuff641well I just ordered one today and now I’m really nervous
@@christurnerct49 don't be, mine was a sprint run at 63-64. The normal ones which are available now are to the spec at which mike arrived. Yours will likely be at this spec also
First time I heard of this and now I’m worried that most knives are not up to par ! Is any more companies that you know of doing this also
Dang that sucks!
Lol you should have seen my blue carbon subzero magnacut deka. They was the first run of hogue magnacut.. I had the drop point and wharny version of it. One poked 59.7 and one 60.3... absolutely trash, hogue wouldn't do anything for me.. 400 bucks in trash magnacut... I was pissed and still am.
Companies should be held accountable! Over promising or lying on the specs is a huge NO NO! Especially when customer service is that bad!
Just like you said, they must be banking on customers to not have an HRC tester or not being able to notice the difference, which is a disgusting practice.
They ask big amounts of money for a product that isn't like they advertise it and that's fraud.
Absolutely, it's too bad that knife companies will continue getting away with this
The dude admits that his friend's knife fell within the advertised range. So why assume that Ritter/Hogue is lying? Couldn't it just be his knife is defective? And the company offered to exchange it!
@@dtcho100 LOL! They wanted me to pay shipping back to the US because THEY were incompetent and sent me a lemon. In the EU the government protects the buyer and by law the seller has to cover the return postage for defective items.
@@dtcho100 I'm not sure you paid attention until the end :)
Sounds like the baby wanted a free knife
What are you talking about
Check description for evidence of the advertised hardness. 63-64 hrc for the sprint run as I have in this video 😘
HERES THE ACTUAL SPECS
Blade Material: Crucible CPM MagnaCut
Blade Length: 3.44 inches (87 mm)
Blade Thickness: 0.125 in. (3.18 mm)
Blade Hardness: HRC 61-63
Blade Edge: Plain
Blade Finish: Stonewashed / Tumbled
Handle Material: G-10
Closed Length: 4.72 inches (120 mm)
Open Length: 8.15 inches (207 mm)
Weight (with clip): 4.5 ounces (127 g)
Lock: Ambidextrous ABLE Lock®
Liners: 301 Stainless Steel
Pivot Washers: Phosphor Bronze
Opener: Ambidextrous Dual Thumb Studs
Pocket Clip: Stainless Steel, Deep Carry, Reversible
Fasteners: Torx
I think they actually advertised this spring run at 63-65 HRC
I disagree with nearly everything you said
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Wow...I've heard of maga tears. Now there's magnacut tears!
I have been a professional knife sharpener for 30 years. This video makes absolutely no sense from a professional point of view. Take it or leave it.
Because you're a professional sharpener it makes no sense that Hogue sold a knife out of spec? Cool story
STOP WHINING!!!
Go watch another video if you don't like the truth :)
LOL!! CLICKED OFF FAST DONT WORRY! No wonder you have basically no subscribers/views.😂😂
@@eYeSoN3691 I'd be happy with 0 subs if everyone is like you 🤡
You also whine in your comments too!! lol what a legend!!😂😂😂
@@eYeSoN3691 you seem to be getting a lot of value here. You say you turned off the video fast but you're spending an awful lot of time chatting. Is everything okay at home ?
My purple g10 Magnacut RSK came back at 63.2 hrc
Oh nice so they can hit spec then! That's good to hear at least
How do you get it tested
@@MrBiggharv send it to a friend with a Rockwell tester :)
@@MrBiggharv small steel/alloy steel manufacturers/labs should have rockwell testing available
I'm a hogue fanboy. Own four of their folders. Including a carbon fiber magnacut deka. So videos not for me but I watched anyway. You make accurate points on the problem of hardness testing for the average person. It is frustrating.
Much of the Italian m390 is softer than I would prefer but they give a realistic range on the spec sheet. I'd prefer that to lying.
100% agreed