Seeing you and Jess is a happy sight! Two weeks without a vid and it’s nice to see a video of you and your wife happily enjoying your life beyond RUclips. All the best mate!
2 года назад+107
Corrections & Acknowledgements (Re: video itself): 1) Galadriel is indeed magical, I have played down her ability in this video. See our fourth video for more info. 2) Varda not Yavanna is the Valar of the stars; I frequently get their names round the wrong way. 3) Harfoots, Fallowhides & Stoors are the three groups of Hobbits that ALL hobbit families belong to: baggins and proudfeet are then sub-denominations. 4) The volume of the video is a little low; always some hurdles to jump when you record in a new way! 5) There is a short 10 second part of the video that drops in volume to about 5% of normal. Sorry!
5) Elrond and Celebrimbor are connected. Elrond is also descended from Finwë, through Turgon and Fingolfin. So, Elrond's great great grandfather was the half-brother of Fëanor. 6) On that note, also worth noting that Elrond and Galadriel are also cousins. His same great great grandfather was Galadriel's uncle. 7) It is Durin III that receives the ring and helps Elrond escape Sauron and establish Rivendell, and Durin IV wasn't born until the very end of the 2nd age. So it is strange that the show has both here...as if the one Durin can be reincarnated in two separate dwarves at the same time...
2 года назад+4
@@Pinkerton000 They aren't connected in a story sense: was the point I was trying to make.
@ I see what you mean. But if we are going into the fuzzy vagueness of Tolkien's descriptions of events as the show does, I just think it makes sense that immortal elves who are relatively close cousins like that would be familiar with each other, right?
2 года назад+5
@@Pinkerton000 I don't think they would be connected personally. Elrond being raised by Maglor would have eventually come to learn that his mother fled from the sons of Feanor and he woudl have learned all of the kinslayings. I am not sure he would have forgiven his adoptive family for the sins they commited - not to mention that Maglor eventually abandons the world anyway and wanders alone: leaving Elrond alone. Would he then seek out the family of his "evil" adoptive family? From the little Tolkien describes of the second age, I always got the impression that Elrond and Gil-Galad came together (being similar ages and having both known similar strife) and that Elrond didn't actually have much, if anything, to do with Celebrimbor. The latter not living in Lindon either didn't help! Putting all of that aside, I still don't think it is important for a casual fan of the show, or indeed for the show's altered narrative, that Elrond and Celebrimbor are distantly related. Especially given that almost all important elves in ME are distantly related anyway!
@ You make some fair points there, to be sure. And of course you are right that it isn't the most important detail in any case. I think I speak for everyone who comments on your videos when I say that I really appreciate the interactivity! I just love every chance I get to talk a little bit about deep Tolkien lore. So thanks!
Elrond being Turgon's great grandchild, he would be distantly related to Celebrimbor as another descendant of Finwe. That's the fun thing about Elrond, he is related to pretty much everyone that matters in the 1st age. Thanks for the great video anyway.
This unbiased podcast discussion thing is greatly appreciated. it's not tainted with bias and just discusses the lore. I hope you'll be able to do more of these galu!
Bro I have been watching the channel hoping you would share some thoughts on the show. Thanks for sharing Galu!!! Please continue to share your thoughts as we get more content
My favorite thing about Elven magic? Their confusion around why people call it magic. Sam asked about magic, then an Elf flat out says "I don't understand what you're talking about." That's a fun thing to ponder on.
There can be life at the bottom of the ocean where vulcanic activity takes place, but nothing will survive on the surface without energy to at least balance entropy. We can imagine that in Tolkien's world the stars are much smaller and closer to Arda and they emit more energy (eg a white dwarf star), sufficient for some vegetation (eg moss) to thrive and act as the basis for the ecosystem.
If I remember correctly, the Silmarillion were more than just amazing jewels. In them, Feanor managed to capture the light of the 2 trees. I think that the Valar asked Feanor for them when Morgoth killed the trees but he refused. I also think you downplayed the power of the elves, particularly Galadriel. In LOTR, Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf and others could communicate just with thoughts. She could sense the thoughts of others from afar (message sent to the Grey Company). Tolkien also says that her power was too great for anyone except Sauron to overcome (in relation to the invasions on Lothlorien), and she cleanses Mirkwood from the darkness of Dol Guldur.
Glorfindel did not fear the Ringwraiths, as he had great presence in both the Seen and Unseen worlds. Galadriel had the same power as she too was born over the sea
I believe the whispers of Galadriel happen in the Fellowship as well, and was a key part in testing the strength of the fellowship. There is a general suggestion that Galadriel learned much from Mellion in terms of "magic", and one such skill were the "Girdle of Mellion". Then again, much of the magic performed by Galadriel is related to Nenya, the ring of power aquired in the second age.
I get your answer to the question: ‘Is Galadriel magical?’ but I also disagree. Galadriel is the most powerful elf and one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth after the First Age. She has significant mastery over arts that are magical to all but the Noldor and Maia dwelling in Middle Earth. She’s as magical as it gets until the Istari arrive. Given the deference shown to her by the Istari, she may be able to match them in some ways. She spent her childhood in Valinor learning from elves taught by Maia and Valar. She then spent most of the First Age learning from Melian. With a ring of power granted, she wove sorcerous defences around Lothlorien not seen since the Girdle of Melian and threw back three assaults. In the Second Age, she pierced sorcerous deception immediately and foresaw a strategy that would play out over centuries (granted the latter could be wisdom without magic per se). All elves in Middle Earth are magical. So are some Men (Numenorians and their descendants. However, magic itself in Middle Earth is an art or arts of using one’s spiritual power (fea) in certain ways. It is greatly limited and mostly involves imbuing other objects with your power. To put it another way, how are Gandalf or Sauron magical in ways Galadriel or Celebrimbor are not? Both Galadriel and Celebrimbor perform similar though somewhat lesser impossible feats to these Maia. Galadriel with her wisdom and assisting the White Council against Dol Guldar. Celebrimbor in forging the Three without assistance from his own power.
Small comment on the Longbeards/Durin's folk being the dwarves we see in all Tolkien works -- big caveat of "except in the first age", when Durin's folk seem to have been entirely inactive in the great happenings and we know much more about the two clans of dwarf in the west
This was SO helpful, thank you! I have a question about the trees, but it's linked to Ep. 3 so I'm going to hold off. My thoughts on the 20 year saltiness is that it was a specifically important 20 years - his wedding and his children being born etc
If I remember correctly there is a part in Silmarillion where Yavanna sets plants (and maybe animals too) in middle-earth into hibernation when the trees were made..
The Return of the King. I don't have time to watch this today but you can be damn sure that I was very delighted to see this video in my inbox! Also great to see Jessica as more than a shade in the webcams background. My sincerest thanks go out towards her for arranging this video.
Additional point on the Hobbits - In Fellowship of the rings, Tolkien states "[the hobbits had already split into three breeds before they left anduin for the shire]", so hobbits are 'proto-harfoots' if anything?
How the sun and the moon came to be is one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful stories in the Legendarium. The 2 trees were basically dead from Ungoliant's venom, but Yavanna put all of her arts if healing upon the trees, and Nienna watered them with her tears, but the trees could not be healed. However, these efforts caused one last large fruit to be borne upon each of the frees. Vessels were then fashioned for these, and they were placed in the sky the light of these fruits becoming the moon and the sun. The trees then completely died. The last fruit of Telperion bacame the moon, and the last fruit of Laurelin became the sun.
Oooh, I do enjoy this format quite a bit! Seems so wholesome with you two just chatting, plus I learned some cool tidbits to share with my wife. I'm very much looking forward to further episodes!
In regards to the lake outside the West-gate of Moria, both Aragorn and Gandalf were surprised to find it. And they realized it was there because someone had dammed the Sirannon, which had previously run by the gate. Perhaps the mew denizens of Moria had dammed it to help protect that entrance.
This is accurate. I had always assumed that they had dammed the river specifically so that they could use the Watcher in the Water as a gate guard. If not that, at least they probably did it as a defensive measure like a moat
Ngl, i've been waiting to hear your thoughts about the series since it came out, and you never fail to deliver. Amazing talk as always, this was a truly special experience. Regardless of the fact that everyone could love,like,hate or dislike the series we can't deny that It brought some new Life in the veins of this fandom and world, and i'll Always be grateful for that
Can't believe I missed this, it's basically exactly what I've been looking for since I started watching RoP. I can enjoy it for what it is but I'm basically like "they're making this up as they go," some decisions I really enjoy but I do miss the full stories' lore, and some decisions are egregious - like having two Durins! Consolidating 2000+ years into like 20-100 is rough
When in the series they forbid Elrond to come to the council because it is "Elven Lords only" I interpreted it as : "you are only half-elf" more than "you are no lord"
@@davidllamas2192 I agree, especially since Elrond did chose the fate of the eldar - but since we are talking about an adaptation that takes some liberties with Tolkien's work, it could have been read that way.
Very nice please continue :) I have a question about episode 3. - Do we know if Ar.Pharazon (hopefully right) was a Chancellor first like its shown there? - and as we see a Map in Ep3 from the place where later Mordor is, do we know when "Mordor" (Like the landmarks from the mountains shaped almost like a square) was 'risen' (by sauron?) or was it there for ever since the creation of the world after the fall of the lamps?
I haven't seen his ep. 3 video yet, but this is a simple answer. Firstly, he is not Ar-Pharazon yet because the "Ar-" prefix means something like "noble", so he changed his name when he became king. The existence of a "Chancellor" position is made up by the show. He was a noble, his father was the younger brother of a previous king, so he had some power and influence for sure. For the second question, the mountains around Mordor have been there at least as long as the world was in the familiar geographical form. Mount Doom was created by Melkor in the first age (before the show), but it is unknown when the name "Mordor" appeared, though likely after the creation of Mount Doom and due to its eruptions (Mordor means "black land")
Yay!...very glad to see this video pop into my notifications. Thank you Jess for suggesting the idea! I was very much hoping we might hear your knowledgeable input on the series Galu, as I have always enjoyed your lore videos, as well as your previous interpretation of the trailers . I would love to hear your general thoughts on the series, likes and dislikes; but know you had understandably sought to avoid the Comments descending into a ' forum for reasonable debate' by going down that review route.....I was still curious nonetheless though. 😁 I have been pretty disappointed so far tbh, which may well have been inevitable to a degree given the limited source material Amazon had the rights to work with, but save for the odd nice visual and the pleasure of just being back in Middle Earth, the writing has been pretty dismal so far in comparison to Peter Jackson's trilogy. Question wise....did Tolkien provide much in the way of description of how Sauron originally set up in what became Mordor? Was it the gradual incursion into what was initially a green and pleasant land occupied by men, and which then became a wasteland as the series is starting to show? Hope all is well with you both.
I reallyed enjoyed this set up with questions and answers! Plus that it's just on the lore so no one can get offended haha. One question I had is if Numenor looked liked you thought it had when reading about it? Visually I was impressed by it and looked how it looked
I had a few extra questions if anyone can help me? - Gala went to Angband, is that a place in middle Earth or was it destroyed in beleriand? - what was Sauron’s timeline after losing to the Valar and revealing himself back in middle Earth? - is Elrond and Durin knowing each other in the lore at all or pure Amazon?
Fantastic video galu and Jess! Just watched the first two episodes with my girlfriend who is very new to LOTR and is thoroughly enjoying it - and this was really helpful! Great to see your video back as the Chanel draws to a close.
Let us know if she asked you any questions that we could discuss, I'm sure there will be many in the same position as your gf 😊 I hope she blossoms into a LOTR fan 🤞
To be clear on Galadriel (real Galadriel), she was a sorceress. Faramir calls her the "Mistress of Magic" in the Two Towers and when in Lothlorien multiple fellowship members felt that when she looked into their eyes, "their hearts were exposed." No not explicitly telepathy. Then, Galadriel "[threw] down the walls of Dol Guldur". This is a call back to her magic use similar to Luthien, "Then Lúthien stood upon the bridge, and declared her power: and the spell was loosed that bound stone to stone, and the gates were thrown down, and the walls opened, and the pits laid bare; and many thralls and captives came forth in wonder and dismay, shielding their eyes against the pale moonlight, for they had lain long in the darkness of Sauron."
@@matesiro5461 indeed. The problem is they gave Galadriel, Tolkien's most graceful and powerful sorceress the arc and personality of Feanor, Tolkien's biggest d-bag warrior. Even if we take Tolkien's latest draft notes on Galadriel that she defended the Teleri in the Kingslaying, and take that literally with sword and shield, that still does not make her a mean, horrific leader. She has always inspired those around her. The only reason she doesn't return to Valinor is because of pride not revenge. It is a complete change to written lore, not just filling in the blanks with her.
They might show the door as it was from the Lord of the Rings era being made, maybe Celebrimbor will help them remodel / upgrade that door as compensation for their help with the forge, to fit in with the TV show plot. They can use the same design basically because it is straight out of the book, is one of the drawings that has always been part of the text, as you know. Plus it would be something familiar that movie fans would recognize. Just a thought. Great discussion by the way.
Haha it's very funny, I just held this role of Arda loremaster to my three sisters when we watcher the three first episodes of the rings of power and we paused regularly to let me answer their questions :')
Great video and good vibes, thank you! About the lake in front of the western door to Khazad-Dûm, I recall reading somewhere that the river that flows out of the mountain nearby was blocked in its flow sometime in the third age, leading to a lake forming there. Wish I knew the source for that, still..
Its in The Fellowship of the Ring, Chapter is A Journey in the Dark a quote of this piece goes as follows "When they reached the top they saw that they could go no further that way, and the reason for the drying up of the Gate-Stream was revealed. Behind them the sinking Sun filled the cool western sky with glimmering gold. Before them stretched a dark still lake. Neither sky nor sunset was reflected on its sullen surface. The Sirannon had been dammed and had filled all the valley. Beyond the ominous water were reared vast cliffs, their stern faces pallid in the fading light: final and impassable." Now the river was very obviously in my opinion likely dammed by the orcs so they wouldn't have to guard this gate of Moria and was probably the reason whywe see no orcs at the gate and yet when we get to the Bridge of Khazad Dum we see a company of orcs at the East Gate.
Enjoyed it so far. Not all of it but overall it's just nice to have more lotr stuff to watch. Thanks to the little blue ferret for making this possible! 😊
On the ban of Galadriel: Galadriel was banned because she either accidentally participated in the kinslaying OR in the newest drafts of Tolkien's work, she fought against Fëanor to defend the Teleri. Then she follows Fëanor to Middle-earth because she wanted to rule her own kingdom. After the War of Wrath (end of the 1st Age), all the Eldar have the ban lifted (including Galadriel). Galadriel then rejected this because she is "too proud" and feels she has lot to do.
2 года назад+1
Quite, but for the video, all people needed to know was that she was banned.
@ correct, but at the time that she (stupidly committed suicide) jumped off the boat, she was no longer banned. She could have returned at that point. This was the show runners idea to display how she rejected the Valar's pardon.
Fairly certain that this is Durin the 4th, I believe Durin the 6th is killed by the Balrog (hence its name "Durin's Bane") sometime in the 3rd age. That being said, I can see the rings of power merging these two Durins and killing him off eventually.
Galadriel is magical or at least has powers that don't exist in Earth. In the third age, Galadriel has power to defend Lothlorien unless Sauron himself comes similar to how Elrond has extraphysical powers over the area of Rivendell. There's a possibility this is due to the power of the Elven rings but Galadriel also appears to be special e.g. the Mirror and the implied power she would wield with the One Ring. It's unknown if these powers are restricted to Lothlorien and it's surrounds (she later throws down Dol Guldur).
About the lake outside moria, the river gets damned up at some point, Gandalf and gimli discuss this as they approach the gate... it sets the tone that things have changed and not for the better
@@nottheeviltwin2 I've been trying to get my wife to read the books for a few years now, she has agreed to listen to an audiobook, she can't slog past the first couple of chapters!
It's been a long time, Galu, specially after you mentioned in of your videos that you'll never show yourself on the camera! lmao! We are glad to see you again!
Galu! I know you said your channel is up at the end of the current play through a. It I really hope you will review the rings of power series as we go thruough!!! You don’t need to trash it or state how good it is but just let us know from your perspective what’s going on
Glad to see you back Galu, and it was fun having Jess guest star. This was a good refresher for myself, so I'd enjoy more of these. Also, I found a rendition of the lay of Nimrodel you might like. I posted this in your last video but I don't know if you saw it. ruclips.net/video/lFZbzKN4S78/видео.html
While I'm sure that harfoot is one of the hobbit family names in the shire during the 3rd age, maybe that family descends from harfoots that migrated there after the king of arnor granted them the shire. However, stoors, fallohides, harfoots are regional variations of Hobbits based on lifestyles, kind of like a subspecies and hobbies acts as a term to refer to these related groups.
As far as I'm aware, Harfoot is not a family name at the time of LotR. All the hobbits in the shire are descended from all three original clans. The Harfoots moved west first, settling as far west as Bree. Then the Fallohides joined them, taking on leadership roles because they were bigger and more adventurous. It was two Fallohide brothers who were given the Shire, and many hobbits moved there. The Stoors joined the rest after the Fallohides, but it isn't clear if that was before or after the founding of the Shire. In any case, over the centuries of intermixing, the physical distinctions between the clans disappeared and the Harfoots were either the most numerous or had dominant genes, so their features became the norm for all hobbits.
Seeing you and Jess is a happy sight!
Two weeks without a vid and it’s nice to see a video of you and your wife happily enjoying your life beyond RUclips. All the best mate!
Corrections & Acknowledgements (Re: video itself):
1) Galadriel is indeed magical, I have played down her ability in this video. See our fourth video for more info.
2) Varda not Yavanna is the Valar of the stars; I frequently get their names round the wrong way.
3) Harfoots, Fallowhides & Stoors are the three groups of Hobbits that ALL hobbit families belong to: baggins and proudfeet are then sub-denominations.
4) The volume of the video is a little low; always some hurdles to jump when you record in a new way!
5) There is a short 10 second part of the video that drops in volume to about 5% of normal. Sorry!
5) Elrond and Celebrimbor are connected. Elrond is also descended from Finwë, through Turgon and Fingolfin. So, Elrond's great great grandfather was the half-brother of Fëanor.
6) On that note, also worth noting that Elrond and Galadriel are also cousins. His same great great grandfather was Galadriel's uncle.
7) It is Durin III that receives the ring and helps Elrond escape Sauron and establish Rivendell, and Durin IV wasn't born until the very end of the 2nd age. So it is strange that the show has both here...as if the one Durin can be reincarnated in two separate dwarves at the same time...
@@Pinkerton000 They aren't connected in a story sense: was the point I was trying to make.
@ I see what you mean. But if we are going into the fuzzy vagueness of Tolkien's descriptions of events as the show does, I just think it makes sense that immortal elves who are relatively close cousins like that would be familiar with each other, right?
@@Pinkerton000 I don't think they would be connected personally. Elrond being raised by Maglor would have eventually come to learn that his mother fled from the sons of Feanor and he woudl have learned all of the kinslayings. I am not sure he would have forgiven his adoptive family for the sins they commited - not to mention that Maglor eventually abandons the world anyway and wanders alone: leaving Elrond alone. Would he then seek out the family of his "evil" adoptive family?
From the little Tolkien describes of the second age, I always got the impression that Elrond and Gil-Galad came together (being similar ages and having both known similar strife) and that Elrond didn't actually have much, if anything, to do with Celebrimbor. The latter not living in Lindon either didn't help!
Putting all of that aside, I still don't think it is important for a casual fan of the show, or indeed for the show's altered narrative, that Elrond and Celebrimbor are distantly related. Especially given that almost all important elves in ME are distantly related anyway!
@ You make some fair points there, to be sure. And of course you are right that it isn't the most important detail in any case.
I think I speak for everyone who comments on your videos when I say that I really appreciate the interactivity! I just love every chance I get to talk a little bit about deep Tolkien lore. So thanks!
Elrond being Turgon's great grandchild, he would be distantly related to Celebrimbor as another descendant of Finwe. That's the fun thing about Elrond, he is related to pretty much everyone that matters in the 1st age. Thanks for the great video anyway.
This unbiased podcast discussion thing is greatly appreciated. it's not tainted with bias and just discusses the lore. I hope you'll be able to do more of these galu!
So pleased you enjoyed it!
Bro I have been watching the channel hoping you would share some thoughts on the show. Thanks for sharing Galu!!! Please continue to share your thoughts as we get more content
Galu's little grammer hissy fit was amazing lol
My favorite thing about Elven magic? Their confusion around why people call it magic. Sam asked about magic, then an Elf flat out says "I don't understand what you're talking about." That's a fun thing to ponder on.
Love How Jess calls Galu for Galu and not Edward.
Jess is awesome😁
There can be life at the bottom of the ocean where vulcanic activity takes place, but nothing will survive on the surface without energy to at least balance entropy. We can imagine that in Tolkien's world the stars are much smaller and closer to Arda and they emit more energy (eg a white dwarf star), sufficient for some vegetation (eg moss) to thrive and act as the basis for the ecosystem.
Thank you for pushing 😊 Galu to make this podcast! I really enjoyed this! Huge bonus for this week :)
😊
If I remember correctly, the Silmarillion were more than just amazing jewels. In them, Feanor managed to capture the light of the 2 trees. I think that the Valar asked Feanor for them when Morgoth killed the trees but he refused.
I also think you downplayed the power of the elves, particularly Galadriel. In LOTR, Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf and others could communicate just with thoughts. She could sense the thoughts of others from afar (message sent to the Grey Company). Tolkien also says that her power was too great for anyone except Sauron to overcome (in relation to the invasions on Lothlorien), and she cleanses Mirkwood from the darkness of Dol Guldur.
The light of the trees is correct, I fainted at "Morgarath" though
All correct but my thinking was that is too much information for a casual fan who just wants an "explain like I'm five" rundown. :-P
@@vondamn9943 oops... Freudian slip mixing it up with Ranger's Apprentice.
Glorfindel did not fear the Ringwraiths, as he had great presence in both the Seen and Unseen worlds. Galadriel had the same power as she too was born over the sea
@ I thought that the rings of power (TM) increased the power of the wearers a ton and that’s why Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond become super powerful
I like this podcast format you have going on. I hope you consider doing more after the Rings of Power.
We'll see... 👀
Also Galu and Jess effectively discussing advantages and disadvantages of Polymorph vs. Wind Walk 🤣
Jessica and Galu: this was an excellent idea! bravo!
Would love for you to continue this series throughout the entire series!
I'll do my best!
SO GOOD hope this continues for the rest of the season
If we have the content it certainly will 😊
Please never stop making content, you’re the purest source of lotr information.
LETS GO JESS!!!!! For getting Galu to post a bit more and letting us hear his glorious voice!🤣😂🤣
The pinnacle of this podcast is at 30min and Galu’s irritation of incorrect pronunciation 😂 I love you Galu
I believe the whispers of Galadriel happen in the Fellowship as well, and was a key part in testing the strength of the fellowship. There is a general suggestion that Galadriel learned much from Mellion in terms of "magic", and one such skill were the "Girdle of Mellion". Then again, much of the magic performed by Galadriel is related to Nenya, the ring of power aquired in the second age.
I get your answer to the question: ‘Is Galadriel magical?’ but I also disagree.
Galadriel is the most powerful elf and one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth after the First Age. She has significant mastery over arts that are magical to all but the Noldor and Maia dwelling in Middle Earth. She’s as magical as it gets until the Istari arrive. Given the deference shown to her by the Istari, she may be able to match them in some ways.
She spent her childhood in Valinor learning from elves taught by Maia and Valar. She then spent most of the First Age learning from Melian. With a ring of power granted, she wove sorcerous defences around Lothlorien not seen since the Girdle of Melian and threw back three assaults.
In the Second Age, she pierced sorcerous deception immediately and foresaw a strategy that would play out over centuries (granted the latter could be wisdom without magic per se).
All elves in Middle Earth are magical. So are some Men (Numenorians and their descendants. However, magic itself in Middle Earth is an art or arts of using one’s spiritual power (fea) in certain ways. It is greatly limited and mostly involves imbuing other objects with your power.
To put it another way, how are Gandalf or Sauron magical in ways Galadriel or Celebrimbor are not? Both Galadriel and Celebrimbor perform similar though somewhat lesser impossible feats to these Maia. Galadriel with her wisdom and assisting the White Council against Dol Guldar. Celebrimbor in forging the Three without assistance from his own power.
Don't forget her beloved brother Finrod had a magical rap battle with Sauron
Small comment on the Longbeards/Durin's folk being the dwarves we see in all Tolkien works -- big caveat of "except in the first age", when Durin's folk seem to have been entirely inactive in the great happenings and we know much more about the two clans of dwarf in the west
This was SO helpful, thank you! I have a question about the trees, but it's linked to Ep. 3 so I'm going to hold off. My thoughts on the 20 year saltiness is that it was a specifically important 20 years - his wedding and his children being born etc
Drop the question below, we'll make sure to answer it in Ep 4 👍
If I remember correctly there is a part in Silmarillion where Yavanna sets plants (and maybe animals too) in middle-earth into hibernation when the trees were made..
The Return of the King.
I don't have time to watch this today but you can be damn sure that I was very delighted to see this video in my inbox!
Also great to see Jessica as more than a shade in the webcams background. My sincerest thanks go out towards her for arranging this video.
Such a good video! Thank you both for sharing this. Always great to hear you talk about Tolkien!
You are and always have been my go to for Tolkien lore 👊🏼 you the 🐐 brudda 👏🏼
Additional point on the Hobbits - In Fellowship of the rings, Tolkien states "[the hobbits had already split into three breeds before they left anduin for the shire]", so hobbits are 'proto-harfoots' if anything?
All hail Lady Jessica for convincing Galu to make these videos through the Bene Gesserit voice.
How the sun and the moon came to be is one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful stories in the Legendarium. The 2 trees were basically dead from Ungoliant's venom, but Yavanna put all of her arts if healing upon the trees, and Nienna watered them with her tears, but the trees could not be healed. However, these efforts caused one last large fruit to be borne upon each of the frees. Vessels were then fashioned for these, and they were placed in the sky the light of these fruits becoming the moon and the sun. The trees then completely died. The last fruit of Telperion bacame the moon, and the last fruit of Laurelin became the sun.
Oooh, I do enjoy this format quite a bit! Seems so wholesome with you two just chatting, plus I learned some cool tidbits to share with my wife. I'm very much looking forward to further episodes!
Thanks 😊 so pleased you enjoyed it!
In regards to the lake outside the West-gate of Moria, both Aragorn and Gandalf were surprised to find it. And they realized it was there because someone had dammed the Sirannon, which had previously run by the gate. Perhaps the mew denizens of Moria had dammed it to help protect that entrance.
Hmm I'll have to go back and have a re-watch! Thanks for this info 👍
This is accurate. I had always assumed that they had dammed the river specifically so that they could use the Watcher in the Water as a gate guard. If not that, at least they probably did it as a defensive measure like a moat
Wooooo, the fact she called you galu 😂😂
Ngl, i've been waiting to hear your thoughts about the series since it came out, and you never fail to deliver. Amazing talk as always, this was a truly special experience. Regardless of the fact that everyone could love,like,hate or dislike the series we can't deny that It brought some new Life in the veins of this fandom and world, and i'll Always be grateful for that
Thank you for your feedback, I completely agree, it will certainly breath new life into the Tolkien world which will be fun to see 😊
Happy to see Galu back, I was afraid the end had finally come and all too soon
Can't believe I missed this, it's basically exactly what I've been looking for since I started watching RoP. I can enjoy it for what it is but I'm basically like "they're making this up as they go," some decisions I really enjoy but I do miss the full stories' lore, and some decisions are egregious - like having two Durins! Consolidating 2000+ years into like 20-100 is rough
Hopefully you'll enjoy the rest of the episodes we do too ☺
When in the series they forbid Elrond to come to the council because it is "Elven Lords only" I interpreted it as : "you are only half-elf" more than "you are no lord"
That's not the case with Tolkien's work. The elves don't make that kind of race based distinctions.
@@davidllamas2192 I agree, especially since Elrond did chose the fate of the eldar - but since we are talking about an adaptation that takes some liberties with Tolkien's work, it could have been read that way.
But Elrond chose to be an elf ,He was immortal he was an elf
@@patttrick Indeed - I just speculated on the sense of that sentence :)
I think the best, most accurate interpretation is just "you aren't a king or lord, you have no lands that you are responsible for"
I like this podcast-like setup :)
The Silmarillion states that Yavanna walked around Middle-Earth to rejuvenate the plants occasionally (Of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor)
Very nice please continue :)
I have a question about episode 3.
- Do we know if Ar.Pharazon (hopefully right) was a Chancellor first like its shown there?
- and as we see a Map in Ep3 from the place where later Mordor is, do we know when "Mordor" (Like the landmarks from the mountains shaped almost like a square) was 'risen' (by sauron?) or was it there for ever since the creation of the world after the fall of the lamps?
I haven't seen his ep. 3 video yet, but this is a simple answer.
Firstly, he is not Ar-Pharazon yet because the "Ar-" prefix means something like "noble", so he changed his name when he became king.
The existence of a "Chancellor" position is made up by the show. He was a noble, his father was the younger brother of a previous king, so he had some power and influence for sure.
For the second question, the mountains around Mordor have been there at least as long as the world was in the familiar geographical form. Mount Doom was created by Melkor in the first age (before the show), but it is unknown when the name "Mordor" appeared, though likely after the creation of Mount Doom and due to its eruptions (Mordor means "black land")
Been listening to your lore videos for years, thanks
The says/says debate was hilarious.
Oh, the video was great obviously, but that made me laugh
I was worried he wouldn't make separate video on the tv series review... this is Amazing!
Yay!...very glad to see this video pop into my notifications. Thank you Jess for suggesting the idea! I was very much hoping we might hear your knowledgeable input on the series Galu, as I have always enjoyed your lore videos, as well as your previous interpretation of the trailers . I would love to hear your general thoughts on the series, likes and dislikes; but know you had understandably sought to avoid the Comments descending into a ' forum for reasonable debate' by going down that review route.....I was still curious nonetheless though. 😁 I have been pretty disappointed so far tbh, which may well have been inevitable to a degree given the limited source material Amazon had the rights to work with, but save for the odd nice visual and the pleasure of just being back in Middle Earth, the writing has been pretty dismal so far in comparison to Peter Jackson's trilogy. Question wise....did Tolkien provide much in the way of description of how Sauron originally set up in what became Mordor? Was it the gradual incursion into what was initially a green and pleasant land occupied by men, and which then became a wasteland as the series is starting to show? Hope all is well with you both.
Thanks for making these commentaries. There is so little quality talk about the new show.
Thank you so much 😊
Wow your chemistry together is amazing! Cant wait for more videos!
Thank you 😊 I'd hope we were a good fit after 14 years😁
I reallyed enjoyed this set up with questions and answers! Plus that it's just on the lore so no one can get offended haha.
One question I had is if Numenor looked liked you thought it had when reading about it? Visually I was impressed by it and looked how it looked
Brilliant job 👍. Now I know you Brits aren’t too fond of smiling but Arachir could do with a smile every now and then. For his health at the least! 😁
I had a few extra questions if anyone can help me?
- Gala went to Angband, is that a place in middle Earth or was it destroyed in beleriand?
- what was Sauron’s timeline after losing to the Valar and revealing himself back in middle Earth?
- is Elrond and Durin knowing each other in the lore at all or pure Amazon?
I'm not quite sure, because I haven't read the unfinished tales, but the wiki suggests that Galadriel did have some innate magical abilities.
I LOVE this idea! Please keep it up
Fantastic video galu and Jess! Just watched the first two episodes with my girlfriend who is very new to LOTR and is thoroughly enjoying it - and this was really helpful! Great to see your video back as the Chanel draws to a close.
Let us know if she asked you any questions that we could discuss, I'm sure there will be many in the same position as your gf 😊 I hope she blossoms into a LOTR fan 🤞
The ban of the Noldor in Middle-Earth was lifted by the beginning of the second age. They were pardoned by the Valar after the War of Wrath.
I was listening to this in the background and couldn't help picturing a young Frodo (your girl) pestering Bilbo (you) for tales of far off lands 😄
Yay hope you are doing good Galu I will miss your campaigns, but life is more important than RUclips!
To be clear on Galadriel (real Galadriel), she was a sorceress. Faramir calls her the "Mistress of Magic" in the Two Towers and when in Lothlorien multiple fellowship members felt that when she looked into their eyes, "their hearts were exposed." No not explicitly telepathy.
Then, Galadriel "[threw] down the walls of Dol Guldur". This is a call back to her magic use similar to Luthien, "Then Lúthien stood upon the bridge, and declared her power: and the spell was loosed that bound stone to stone, and the gates were thrown down, and the walls opened, and the pits laid bare; and many thralls and captives came forth in wonder and dismay, shielding their eyes against the pale moonlight, for they had lain long in the darkness of Sauron."
Yeah, it's clear she's not "just like any elf"
@@matesiro5461 indeed. The problem is they gave Galadriel, Tolkien's most graceful and powerful sorceress the arc and personality of Feanor, Tolkien's biggest d-bag warrior. Even if we take Tolkien's latest draft notes on Galadriel that she defended the Teleri in the Kingslaying, and take that literally with sword and shield, that still does not make her a mean, horrific leader. She has always inspired those around her. The only reason she doesn't return to Valinor is because of pride not revenge. It is a complete change to written lore, not just filling in the blanks with her.
@@RevAnakin not to mention they're deleting my main man Celeborn and their very important daughter
@@matesiro5461 defenders of the show will argue that "there is still 37 episodes to tell that story!" Lol
@@RevAnakin yeah don't worry, things get interesting from the third season onward 🤣
Great idea for a series, please do continue doing these! I'll be watching with great interest.
Let us know if there's anything in particular you want to know 😊
They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard!!!
Galu and Jess thank you so much for this.
Love your dynamic as well ❤️
I would hope our dynamic is good, we've been together for 14 years. :P
Remembered it was a good while. Really lovely to see the two of you together and the sparks fly. Can't wait for the next insights
Hopefully the videos will only improve as we work out the little niggles 😁
They might show the door as it was from the Lord of the Rings era being made, maybe Celebrimbor will help them remodel / upgrade that door as compensation for their help with the forge, to fit in with the TV show plot. They can use the same design basically because it is straight out of the book, is one of the drawings that has always been part of the text, as you know. Plus it would be something familiar that movie fans would recognize. Just a thought. Great discussion by the way.
Haha it's very funny, I just held this role of Arda loremaster to my three sisters when we watcher the three first episodes of the rings of power and we paused regularly to let me answer their questions :')
Let us know if they have any you think are worth sharing!
@@nottheeviltwin2 I will !
Great channel and great team, love the content
Great video and good vibes, thank you!
About the lake in front of the western door to Khazad-Dûm, I recall reading somewhere that the river that flows out of the mountain nearby was blocked in its flow sometime in the third age, leading to a lake forming there.
Wish I knew the source for that, still..
Its in The Fellowship of the Ring, Chapter is A Journey in the Dark a quote of this piece goes as follows "When they reached the top they saw that they could go no further that way, and the reason for the drying up of the Gate-Stream was revealed. Behind them the sinking Sun filled the cool western sky with glimmering gold. Before them stretched a dark still lake. Neither sky nor sunset was reflected on its sullen surface. The Sirannon had been dammed and had filled all the valley. Beyond the ominous water were reared vast cliffs, their stern faces pallid in the fading light: final and impassable." Now the river was very obviously in my opinion likely dammed by the orcs so they wouldn't have to guard this gate of Moria and was probably the reason whywe see no orcs at the gate and yet when we get to the Bridge of Khazad Dum we see a company of orcs at the East Gate.
This is really interesting! Thanks 😊
Enjoyed it so far. Not all of it but overall it's just nice to have more lotr stuff to watch.
Thanks to the little blue ferret for making this possible! 😊
Yesss ive been waiting for this video from the moment it came out
Excellent content. Loved having Mrs on!! Gave a nice element of discussion to your videos!!
So glad you've done this amazing content
God I’ve been waiting for this since I first saw the show
These videos are great. Really glad to see you back again talking more about Tolkiens world. Miss those hour long videos from years ago!
They might increase in length depending on how many questions we receive from all of you 😊🤞
I love this, thanks for making it!
I was waiting for something like this from you
Thank you for this Galu. I hope many get to see this Video.
Wow over the years I expected you to look more like… maybe Faramir? Very good idea this video series anyway
Woooow he’s back
another place they have bent the lore, I'm pretty sure that Prince Durin's Dad in the show is Durin III.
This is awesome, thanks Galu!
So pleased you've enjoyed it 😀
glad ya'll are doing this heard alot of hate about the show and wondered why the show made the decisions they did thank you
Really enjoyed the video, please continue!
On the ban of Galadriel: Galadriel was banned because she either accidentally participated in the kinslaying OR in the newest drafts of Tolkien's work, she fought against Fëanor to defend the Teleri. Then she follows Fëanor to Middle-earth because she wanted to rule her own kingdom. After the War of Wrath (end of the 1st Age), all the Eldar have the ban lifted (including Galadriel). Galadriel then rejected this because she is "too proud" and feels she has lot to do.
Quite, but for the video, all people needed to know was that she was banned.
@ correct, but at the time that she (stupidly committed suicide) jumped off the boat, she was no longer banned. She could have returned at that point. This was the show runners idea to display how she rejected the Valar's pardon.
I was hoping you’d do something like this. Great video!
A better analogy for Valinor is the Garden of Eden. Its in the world but you wouldn't want to leave
Love your content!❤️
Please keep doing these videos
Concerning the balrog, they already showed it in one of the trailers, so it is gonna be in the show
Fairly certain that this is Durin the 4th, I believe Durin the 6th is killed by the Balrog (hence its name "Durin's Bane") sometime in the 3rd age. That being said, I can see the rings of power merging these two Durins and killing him off eventually.
Wonderful video Arachir! Thank you Jess for making Galu do this video
So pleased you enjoyed it 😊
Galadriel is magical or at least has powers that don't exist in Earth. In the third age, Galadriel has power to defend Lothlorien unless Sauron himself comes similar to how Elrond has extraphysical powers over the area of Rivendell. There's a possibility this is due to the power of the Elven rings but Galadriel also appears to be special e.g. the Mirror and the implied power she would wield with the One Ring. It's unknown if these powers are restricted to Lothlorien and it's surrounds (she later throws down Dol Guldur).
About the lake outside moria, the river gets damned up at some point, Gandalf and gimli discuss this as they approach the gate... it sets the tone that things have changed and not for the better
Ah thanks for this! I'll have to go back and re-watch this scene 😊
@@nottheeviltwin2 it's in the books, I think in the movie they briefly show a broken aqueduct to imply it was dammed up
Ah okay 👍 Galu has tasked me with reading the books once I finish my current series so I'm sure they'll fill in a lot of my missing knowledge 😅😊
@@nottheeviltwin2 I've been trying to get my wife to read the books for a few years now, she has agreed to listen to an audiobook, she can't slog past the first couple of chapters!
@@3greenpea does your wife like fantasy as a genre? I love fantasy books so I'm hoping I'll enjoy them when I eventually get round to reading them ☺️
The light of the trees was likely to some degree visible in middle earth given that Arda was flat.
Hi there, man from Yorkshire here, we say says the same way as you.
It's been a long time, Galu, specially after you mentioned in of your videos that you'll never show yourself on the camera! lmao! We are glad to see you again!
Oh dope, was really hoping for something like this from you Galu.
30:20 "objectively wrong" like at Mr. Hoity-Toity over here.
This was a lot of fun!
how would you describe powerful/mystical if not magical with the galadhriel bit? In shorter words what can Galadriel do that others elves can't?
Would love to see you do more stuff like this, maybe lore videos?
In the same Q&A format? or more general talking through lore or Galu alone?
Galu! I know you said your channel is up at the end of the current play through a. It I really hope you will review the rings of power series as we go thruough!!! You don’t need to trash it or state how good it is but just let us know from your perspective what’s going on
she’s a keeper
Let's hope so 😏
Glad to see you back Galu, and it was fun having Jess guest star. This was a good refresher for myself, so I'd enjoy more of these.
Also, I found a rendition of the lay of Nimrodel you might like. I posted this in your last video but I don't know if you saw it.
ruclips.net/video/lFZbzKN4S78/видео.html
I'll ask him to have a listen 👍
@@nottheeviltwin2 thanks Jess! He mentioned a while back that he used to know the lay by heart, so I immediately thought of him when I found it.
While I'm sure that harfoot is one of the hobbit family names in the shire during the 3rd age, maybe that family descends from harfoots that migrated there after the king of arnor granted them the shire. However, stoors, fallohides, harfoots are regional variations of Hobbits based on lifestyles, kind of like a subspecies and hobbies acts as a term to refer to these related groups.
As far as I'm aware, Harfoot is not a family name at the time of LotR. All the hobbits in the shire are descended from all three original clans. The Harfoots moved west first, settling as far west as Bree. Then the Fallohides joined them, taking on leadership roles because they were bigger and more adventurous. It was two Fallohide brothers who were given the Shire, and many hobbits moved there. The Stoors joined the rest after the Fallohides, but it isn't clear if that was before or after the founding of the Shire.
In any case, over the centuries of intermixing, the physical distinctions between the clans disappeared and the Harfoots were either the most numerous or had dominant genes, so their features became the norm for all hobbits.
Just for reference, in this part of the north we say sez.