I honestly doubt that Jess would have been accepting of it all anyway. He looked at the town and the townspeople as beneath him from my point of view, so the welcome wagon wouldn’t have worked for him. He would have made fun of it.
THANK YOU!! Yes to everything. I love Jess, not because of his bad-boyish aura, it was because of the potencial of a redemtion arc and how everything connected. He didn't have a proper figure in his life to tech him anything. I think he is one of the few (or the only) that we really see a grow for better in his character. Seeing the show is frustrating, because Lorelai and Emily for example could make peaces, could grow. But anyone really changes (Rory for worse only) and then we have Jess that really grows and that every adult in his life failed him (except Luke, he did try it). Btw, I hate everytime that Lorelai praise Dean as the perfect boyfriend. Is like wtf
Totally agreed! I like him for his character arc! I feel like, obviously i would have wanted to see more of it, but it was nice to see a character learn and grow! Also, agreed. Idk if my mom acted to a boyfriend the way lorelai acted towards dean i would have been wierded out lol
I love Jess but i don't think he had a redeption because he didn't need it; he was a kid, a sad neglected kid. It is not a redeption arc, it's a healing journey.
Jess is that guy you don't care about in school but then you meet him again 20 years later and turned out better than the whole class. The thing with GG is that the narrative is biased and does not acknowledge it; truth is both Rory and Lorelai were horrible to Jess; everyone talks about his communication issues and he does have them, but do you remember the swann episode? Rory humiliated him with no evidence in front of her grandmother who he was meeting for the first time at her home and Jess was the one to apologize for it, seriously, who would expect for him to tell Rory about him meeting his dad for the first time? She has not made him feel safe enough to share. Liz was presented as a funny gal, but she was a horrible mother, poor kid. Also, on the "assault" scene, i don't consider that as assault; i do agree that Rory wasn't consenting, but he was not forcing himself on her either, nor was he mad at her for not having sex with him, he did not call her in, he just tried to start something and she said no, that's ok, i wish he had stopped sooner, and it is an ackward situation for sure, but "is it ok to touch you" was not a thing in the 2000's, there is always room for nouance, not everything is assault; they made it look like that but after Rory leaves it is very obvious that he just reacted poorly on a crappy situation and knew that Rory did nothing wrong, he then went after her, for which he received a punch from Rory's ex... at the end, i think they stretch the situation to make him a villain but he is not. In fact, the same thing happens with Emily; we see Lorelai be disrespectful, hurting, mocking and dismissive of Emily's feelings, she compares her to war criminals on a regular basis and Emily is always the bad guy. Yes, Emily is a snob, and had very conservative values, but there's not a single flashback in which i see the toxicy Lorelai claims; in stead, she defended Lorelai to Christopher's parents and was obviously willing to support her through raising Rory from the begining, i also wore fluffy dresses, that was a thing, it doesn't make my mom a bad person, if Emily was disapointed of having prepared a cotillion for her child only for her to ruin it i would also be disapointed, if i had to fix my daughter's comming out dress 3 times because she kept gaining weight i would be concerned, that's normal. Lorelai makes jokes about the guys she had in her room, the times she sneaked out, there are scenes of her drinking with Christopher at their home and all this before she was 16, if i were Emily i also would try to control the situation, who wants their child to be a pregnant alcoholic at 16? nobody, and yet they always say Lorelai had no freedom and it was all Emily's fault. Mrs. Kim is much more conservative and controlling and we all understand she loves Lane, if lane compared her mom to Kim Jong-Un, nobody would laugh.
@@Liilliithh I definitely agree with some of the things you said, but others not so much. So I completely agree with the Jess stuff. I get annoyed when people say he a$$aulted Rory... I'm like... no... he definitely tried to sleep with his girlfriend and didn't read her body language. But she said stop, he stopped. And like you said... consent wasn't thought about back then as it is now. And agree the way Rory treated him when he met Emily was questionable. However Jess was also quite messed up. Agree with all the reasons. But before his change... he was a terrible bf for Rory and a troubled kid.
it's been awhile since i've watched GG but i remembering HATING how jess was treated. his f amily didn't want him, who knows what the past years of his life were like. luke and lorelai both treated him like he was dirt. and yeah, he was a bit of a little snot sometimes but when you think about all that he was probably going through as JUST A KID, it just kind of breaks my heart. jess is kind of in the same vein fictionally as shawn hunter. only jess didn't have a mr. turner in his corner making sure he was alright. he seemed to be trying to be that person for himself all on his own from what i remember.
Ohhh what a good point! That would have been an amazing thing to see a even a Mr. Feeny type character to really care about him and help him! Agreed, it's harder to see the older I've gotten. Yes, like you said, he was annoying at points, but also a kid. Thanks for your thoughts!! Great insight!
i would personally be seated for the mariano men spinoff lol. but, yes youre right, they were about to make a spinoff for jess called the "windward circle". they even filmed the pilot for it and most of the scenes from "here comes the son" episode in season 3 is from that pilot. the network only agreed to 9 eps of the spinoff but amy wanted more to flesh jess's story out, and finally she put it down as the budget was not what she wanted too. also, when milo was hired in season 2, he was offered a 6 year contract to be a series regular but milo refused and made it to a 2 year contract. so, you can see that amy's intentions from the beginning was for jess's character to be explored more in depth. hence the spinoff attempt and she keeps trying to do it throughout the show, where she does it right half the time and the other times, we're left wanting more and wanting to know more about jess. i personally believe he is the most interesting character on the show especially because of the potential that was just there for him.
Ohhhh interesting more info!! Hmm I wonder why the title was going to be that? That also makes more sense why Jess' exit felt clunky, because he was meant to go to his own show and give us the real story. Thank you so much for your thoughts! So interesting to learn these facts!
When it comes to love types, Jess is a fearful type. His uprbinging and background caused him to be estranged to the idea of love. The concept is unfamiliar to him, but it is what he wants, but doesn't know how to get it. Even if he does get it or gets feelings for Rory, the idea of keeping it is also estranged to him. He leaves. He says, "I love you" and still leaves because such idea of love is crazy for him. Its like Good Will Hunting. Its not his fault in all the things he's done. Sure his actions aren't the best, but we can see him grow as his he exits out of his teenage years. These people are hard to love and be loved. They really do need professional help. After a while, hopefully they become better as they become an adult.
Love the idea of him being afraid of love! I think that’s the perfect way of saying that! Yes, that’s definitely him for the reasons you said. I also do appreciate that he does grow and mature in that are and we get to see the end result of that! Thanks for your thoughts!
I loved Jess and his character progression.Rory didn't truly understand him in the beginning.She should have trusted him more since the only thing he ever lied to her about was the swan incident.He wasn't great with communication and he wasn't ready for a relationship, but he still loved her.When he left town the second time it was the right thing to do.He would have only hurt rory more if he had stayed.He needed to get his life in order to be good for anyone else. The act of falling for someone can be enough to make a person change, like Rory being his first love.
I’m rewatching the show. Lorelai acted that way because she saw herself in him. And unlike him, she pushed through it. Particularly because Jesse has a Luke when she would have loved to have at least one adult in her rebellious years to be in her corner. So she rightfully doesn’t feel sorry for him. She wasn’t the most mature at Jesse’s age but she definitely embraced responsibility at his age instead of having this woe is me chip on his shoulder when he’s being offered support.
Agreed! I wanted to make sure I said I also feel Jess failed Jess too because of just that! At his age Lorelai had to be a mom and he’s given a chance for a new start and really doesn’t take it for the full advantage that he could have! Thanks for your thoughts!!
Yes, but unlike Lorelei Jess really had no one on his side except Luke. Lorelei did have her parents for a while supporting her and Rory for a while. After that she had Mia. Jess’ mom was distant and didn’t give a shit about him.
Lorelai had Mia. She seems to constantly forget that Mia gave her a job, place to stay, and a mother-figure that was LOVING. Mia stuck up for Lorelai against the other staff and treated Rory like a granddaughter. 🙃
@@tybrown7112Very True! Lorelai did have Mia and that was a huge huge thing for her because Mia gave her all the things you mentioned! And also in just the emotional side of things, having someone who believes in you and says you can do it, is a huge difference and give you opportunities could literally be the thing that changed Lorelai's life! Great reminder! Maye I can do a video about Mia!
I am 14 right now, watched the show with my elder sister when i was 11/12. Jess has always been my fav character and not because i have like a crush on him or smth but his character just has soo much potential i just can't believe the writers fumbled him this bad and I don't even ship rory/jess a lot
Jess totally wasn't treated right by the town and yes his mother did failed him even though I'm glad liz got her life together but still she was a horrible mother to him I love how jess evolved in the series
With Lorelai she only wanted Dean for Rory and she knew that Rory was falling for Jess long before Rory did so she never really tried with Jess again. Luke really did his best with Jess but whenever it came to Rory she immediatly was his favorite over Jess and not once did Luke thought Rory hurting Jess. Rory was also not a good girlfriend because she didn't believe Jess when he said he didn't fight Dean but she immediatly believed Dean when he said they didn't fight. You could see from Jess's face that that hurt him and why I believe he didn't tell Rory about his problems because in his eyes she didn't trust him. And who stays friends with an ex right after their break up while knowing it hurts your new boyfriend? In the end I don't want Rory with Jess after how many times she broke his heart and I hope he meets a beautiful woman in Philadelphia and starts a family with her. And Rory can see she messed up and that Jess is the one that got away.
This is late, but you are correct. ASP realized how popular Milo was and decided to make a spinoff for Jess to explore his relationship with his dad. The first season would have been at the same time as S4 of GG. It was called Windward Circle. The studio only ordered half a season and ASP refused to make it unless they guaranteed more episodes, so the pilot is the only episode ever shot. And yes, Jess was failed by pretty much everyone at some point. Even his biggest supporters (Luke and Rory) also let him down at times.
Lorelai was immature. But it got to a point where I couldn’t excuse it anymore from the “well she didn’t finish growing up” thing that a lot of people say. I was able to in the start but it got old. Jess wasn’t a demon like Lorelai or the town did. He was a neglected kid who needed some proper love not someone to “fix” him. It really annoyed me how Liz was portrayed on screen. It made people that hated Jess hate him more because we saw sweet Liz not the awful mother and sister we’ve been told about by Luke and Jess. I think something really good to show the truth behind Liz was when she was there with TJ in stars hollow and like and Jess have the moment outside after she is practically shooting through the roof with excitement, they both agree that it’s crazy. We also then see that the person who’s seen all her relationships for all the the times (I’m talking Jess but yes I know Luke saw the ends of them) tell Luke to not bother trying to stop it because she doesn’t care what he thinks. While I don’t agree with Jess being rude to Luke in this scene, the understanding part of it was that he was angry that everyone was trying to force him to “do the good thing” for his mum, when he’d been let down by her so many times but it had been brushed off as “she’s still your mum”. But the line where he says “she definitly doesnt care what I think” kinda confirms that the writers didn’t just abandon the part of the story where Liz isn’t good to Jess. She’s nice and bubbly with everyone else but screws over those who she loves.
I think jess fits a pda autistic profile and his mum and dad could be nd as well, partially explaining why they aren't bad people but they were unsupported and overwhelmed as parents. Also pda autists are autodidacta and school is worst environment from them. He thrived when he could learn and grow in other environments where he could follow his passions. Lorelai was really condescending to him with her little speech when he first came, presuming she could step into his life, immediately have his trust and guide and advice him. It was disrespectful to him to do that and he felt that and then mirrored that back at her. I think he was very insightful and could smell out smug, self righteousness and mirrored the disrespect right back. When people genuinely try with him he does try back, e.g with Emily. A big reason people don't like him is that he can act like a mirror. Some individuals and institutions don't like what they see in the mirror.
For me - the entire "Jess fiasco" didn't belong with the GG world. Sure much of the town and Lor was quirky but that's about it. They were not the 'bad guy' 'the lone wolf with a chip on his shoulder' type of people. None where close! But Jess's 'character' was too far out there to even 'mesh decently enough' with anyone in the show. Jess has himself to blame and no one else period. Sure his mom didn't help the situation, but there are many guys that rise above it, as well as many guy's whom 'blame everyone else except themselves.' All of that is well before he even gets to Stars Hollow cause he's what? 15 or 16 by then?!? No - everything is on him! Rory herself even points the finger: "Why are you only nice to me?" or something to that effect. He doesn't put forth any effort whatsoever except for Rory! So here's the thing - if he put forth some effort, how would things have developed? I would argue that they would have gone better!
I do definitely agree that if he could rise above mentally feeling like the world was against him, and try, it would have definitely been better for him in starts hollow! I think he does grow and learn that he can make the change in his life, and then that’s when he writes his book and starts growing as a person! Thanks for your thoughts!!
imagine blaming everything that went wrong on a 15/16 year old kid raised by a drug addict flaky mom and a deadbeat dad? like ofcourse jess wasnt this perfect kid, no not at all. but, any kid in his shoes wouldve gone in much darker ways in life and to see jess end up where he is with the childhood he had is commendable. i always judge people based on whether or not they can have empathy for his character, not excusing his mistakes, nope. but, just acknowledging that he was the character who had it worst in the entire show.
@@zumann874 Empathy! The measure of a man. Up until Jess wrote his book, did he have any empathy? Excluding Rory to a degree, he didn't. None for anyone. There are a bazillion different routes we take under any situation; some always lean towards the good, the light, the right... Others go different routes. Sadly I know quite a few guys that grew up in worse situations, most didn't travel the dark path. And for those that did, they eventually found the light as Jess finally did.
I agree that he could have put more effort into everything however at the same time he didn’t feel like there was as point in doing so. He had lost hope in himself because of how everyone gave up on him and believed that he was beyond redemption. (Sorry for such a late reply)
Yes he made decisions. But I wouldn’t put everything on a teenager. Young adult Rory who stole a yacht and got away with a slap on the wrist and community hours while not taking responsibility for her actions or her part in anything is another story.
Yeah finally someone who does NOT like Jess. I mean come on guys, let's be real, just because its Milo doesn't mean the character he's playing isn't problematic
Oh no, I hope I didn’t give that impression! I do like Jess at the end, I just also think he’s got some responsibility in the situation too. At the beginning he really wasn’t my favorite though, so in that case. Yes I wasn’t a fan!
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For all the welcome wagons Stars Hollow is known for, basically no one from the town (save Lorelai and Rory) no one tried to help Jess or Luke out
So So true!! Where were his baskets and walks around town and his introduction to Miss Patty?!
I honestly doubt that Jess would have been accepting of it all anyway. He looked at the town and the townspeople as beneath him from my point of view, so the welcome wagon wouldn’t have worked for him. He would have made fun of it.
THANK YOU!! Yes to everything. I love Jess, not because of his bad-boyish aura, it was because of the potencial of a redemtion arc and how everything connected. He didn't have a proper figure in his life to tech him anything.
I think he is one of the few (or the only) that we really see a grow for better in his character. Seeing the show is frustrating, because Lorelai and Emily for example could make peaces, could grow. But anyone really changes (Rory for worse only) and then we have Jess that really grows and that every adult in his life failed him (except Luke, he did try it).
Btw, I hate everytime that Lorelai praise Dean as the perfect boyfriend. Is like wtf
Totally agreed! I like him for his character arc! I feel like, obviously i would have wanted to see more of it, but it was nice to see a character learn and grow! Also, agreed. Idk if my mom acted to a boyfriend the way lorelai acted towards dean i would have been wierded out lol
I love Jess but i don't think he had a redeption because he didn't need it; he was a kid, a sad neglected kid. It is not a redeption arc, it's a healing journey.
I love Jess and i hate that people use his teenage years against him... Jess is a great character.
Yeah agreed! I think because he learned from his teenage years it shows so much growth and maturity! He’s a very well rounded character!
@@AVintageJoy 100%... it is a shame we didn't get to see the growth... but I'm happy with the growth 💖
@@dablackangel Absolutely! I totally agree!
Jess is that guy you don't care about in school but then you meet him again 20 years later and turned out better than the whole class. The thing with GG is that the narrative is biased and does not acknowledge it; truth is both Rory and Lorelai were horrible to Jess; everyone talks about his communication issues and he does have them, but do you remember the swann episode? Rory humiliated him with no evidence in front of her grandmother who he was meeting for the first time at her home and Jess was the one to apologize for it, seriously, who would expect for him to tell Rory about him meeting his dad for the first time? She has not made him feel safe enough to share. Liz was presented as a funny gal, but she was a horrible mother, poor kid.
Also, on the "assault" scene, i don't consider that as assault; i do agree that Rory wasn't consenting, but he was not forcing himself on her either, nor was he mad at her for not having sex with him, he did not call her in, he just tried to start something and she said no, that's ok, i wish he had stopped sooner, and it is an ackward situation for sure, but "is it ok to touch you" was not a thing in the 2000's, there is always room for nouance, not everything is assault; they made it look like that but after Rory leaves it is very obvious that he just reacted poorly on a crappy situation and knew that Rory did nothing wrong, he then went after her, for which he received a punch from Rory's ex... at the end, i think they stretch the situation to make him a villain but he is not.
In fact, the same thing happens with Emily; we see Lorelai be disrespectful, hurting, mocking and dismissive of Emily's feelings, she compares her to war criminals on a regular basis and Emily is always the bad guy. Yes, Emily is a snob, and had very conservative values, but there's not a single flashback in which i see the toxicy Lorelai claims; in stead, she defended Lorelai to Christopher's parents and was obviously willing to support her through raising Rory from the begining, i also wore fluffy dresses, that was a thing, it doesn't make my mom a bad person, if Emily was disapointed of having prepared a cotillion for her child only for her to ruin it i would also be disapointed, if i had to fix my daughter's comming out dress 3 times because she kept gaining weight i would be concerned, that's normal. Lorelai makes jokes about the guys she had in her room, the times she sneaked out, there are scenes of her drinking with Christopher at their home and all this before she was 16, if i were Emily i also would try to control the situation, who wants their child to be a pregnant alcoholic at 16? nobody, and yet they always say Lorelai had no freedom and it was all Emily's fault. Mrs. Kim is much more conservative and controlling and we all understand she loves Lane, if lane compared her mom to Kim Jong-Un, nobody would laugh.
@@Liilliithh I definitely agree with some of the things you said, but others not so much.
So I completely agree with the Jess stuff. I get annoyed when people say he a$$aulted Rory... I'm like... no... he definitely tried to sleep with his girlfriend and didn't read her body language. But she said stop, he stopped. And like you said... consent wasn't thought about back then as it is now. And agree the way Rory treated him when he met Emily was questionable. However Jess was also quite messed up. Agree with all the reasons. But before his change... he was a terrible bf for Rory and a troubled kid.
it's been awhile since i've watched GG but i remembering HATING how jess was treated. his f amily didn't want him, who knows what the past years of his life were like. luke and lorelai both treated him like he was dirt. and yeah, he was a bit of a little snot sometimes but when you think about all that he was probably going through as JUST A KID, it just kind of breaks my heart. jess is kind of in the same vein fictionally as shawn hunter. only jess didn't have a mr. turner in his corner making sure he was alright. he seemed to be trying to be that person for himself all on his own from what i remember.
Ohhh what a good point! That would have been an amazing thing to see a even a Mr. Feeny type character to really care about him and help him! Agreed, it's harder to see the older I've gotten. Yes, like you said, he was annoying at points, but also a kid. Thanks for your thoughts!! Great insight!
i would personally be seated for the mariano men spinoff lol. but, yes youre right, they were about to make a spinoff for jess called the "windward circle". they even filmed the pilot for it and most of the scenes from "here comes the son" episode in season 3 is from that pilot. the network only agreed to 9 eps of the spinoff but amy wanted more to flesh jess's story out, and finally she put it down as the budget was not what she wanted too. also, when milo was hired in season 2, he was offered a 6 year contract to be a series regular but milo refused and made it to a 2 year contract. so, you can see that amy's intentions from the beginning was for jess's character to be explored more in depth. hence the spinoff attempt and she keeps trying to do it throughout the show, where she does it right half the time and the other times, we're left wanting more and wanting to know more about jess. i personally believe he is the most interesting character on the show especially because of the potential that was just there for him.
Ohhhh interesting more info!! Hmm I wonder why the title was going to be that? That also makes more sense why Jess' exit felt clunky, because he was meant to go to his own show and give us the real story. Thank you so much for your thoughts! So interesting to learn these facts!
When it comes to love types, Jess is a fearful type. His uprbinging and background caused him to be estranged to the idea of love. The concept is unfamiliar to him, but it is what he wants, but doesn't know how to get it. Even if he does get it or gets feelings for Rory, the idea of keeping it is also estranged to him. He leaves. He says, "I love you" and still leaves because such idea of love is crazy for him. Its like Good Will Hunting. Its not his fault in all the things he's done. Sure his actions aren't the best, but we can see him grow as his he exits out of his teenage years. These people are hard to love and be loved. They really do need professional help. After a while, hopefully they become better as they become an adult.
Love the idea of him being afraid of love! I think that’s the perfect way of saying that! Yes, that’s definitely him for the reasons you said. I also do appreciate that he does grow and mature in that are and we get to see the end result of that! Thanks for your thoughts!
I loved Jess and his character progression.Rory didn't truly understand him in the beginning.She should have trusted him more since the only thing he ever lied to her about was the swan incident.He wasn't great with communication and he wasn't ready for a relationship, but he still loved her.When he left town the second time it was the right thing to do.He would have only hurt rory more if he had stayed.He needed to get his life in order to be good for anyone else.
The act of falling for someone can be enough to make a person change, like Rory being his first love.
I’m rewatching the show. Lorelai acted that way because she saw herself in him. And unlike him, she pushed through it. Particularly because Jesse has a Luke when she would have loved to have at least one adult in her rebellious years to be in her corner. So she rightfully doesn’t feel sorry for him. She wasn’t the most mature at Jesse’s age but she definitely embraced responsibility at his age instead of having this woe is me chip on his shoulder when he’s being offered support.
Agreed! I wanted to make sure I said I also feel Jess failed Jess too because of just that! At his age Lorelai had to be a mom and he’s given a chance for a new start and really doesn’t take it for the full advantage that he could have! Thanks for your thoughts!!
Yes, but unlike Lorelei Jess really had no one on his side except Luke. Lorelei did have her parents for a while supporting her and Rory for a while. After that she had Mia. Jess’ mom was distant and didn’t give a shit about him.
Lorelai had Mia. She seems to constantly forget that Mia gave her a job, place to stay, and a mother-figure that was LOVING. Mia stuck up for Lorelai against the other staff and treated Rory like a granddaughter. 🙃
@@kerriethompson2073 That is very very true! Lorelai did have Mia! Really good point!
@@tybrown7112Very True! Lorelai did have Mia and that was a huge huge thing for her because Mia gave her all the things you mentioned! And also in just the emotional side of things, having someone who believes in you and says you can do it, is a huge difference and give you opportunities could literally be the thing that changed Lorelai's life! Great reminder! Maye I can do a video about Mia!
I am 14 right now, watched the show with my elder sister when i was 11/12. Jess has always been my fav character and not because i have like a crush on him or smth but his character just has soo much potential i just can't believe the writers fumbled him this bad and I don't even ship rory/jess a lot
This is brilliant! None of this ever occured to me before. You are so right.
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Jess totally wasn't treated right by the town and yes his mother did failed him even though I'm glad liz got her life together but still she was a horrible mother to him I love how jess evolved in the series
With Lorelai she only wanted Dean for Rory and she knew that Rory was falling for Jess long before Rory did so she never really tried with Jess again. Luke really did his best with Jess but whenever it came to Rory she immediatly was his favorite over Jess and not once did Luke thought Rory hurting Jess. Rory was also not a good girlfriend because she didn't believe Jess when he said he didn't fight Dean but she immediatly believed Dean when he said they didn't fight. You could see from Jess's face that that hurt him and why I believe he didn't tell Rory about his problems because in his eyes she didn't trust him. And who stays friends with an ex right after their break up while knowing it hurts your new boyfriend?
In the end I don't want Rory with Jess after how many times she broke his heart and I hope he meets a beautiful woman in Philadelphia and starts a family with her. And Rory can see she messed up and that Jess is the one that got away.
This is late, but you are correct. ASP realized how popular Milo was and decided to make a spinoff for Jess to explore his relationship with his dad. The first season would have been at the same time as S4 of GG. It was called Windward Circle. The studio only ordered half a season and ASP refused to make it unless they guaranteed more episodes, so the pilot is the only episode ever shot.
And yes, Jess was failed by pretty much everyone at some point. Even his biggest supporters (Luke and Rory) also let him down at times.
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Lorelai was immature. But it got to a point where I couldn’t excuse it anymore from the “well she didn’t finish growing up” thing that a lot of people say. I was able to in the start but it got old. Jess wasn’t a demon like Lorelai or the town did. He was a neglected kid who needed some proper love not someone to “fix” him. It really annoyed me how Liz was portrayed on screen. It made people that hated Jess hate him more because we saw sweet Liz not the awful mother and sister we’ve been told about by Luke and Jess. I think something really good to show the truth behind Liz was when she was there with TJ in stars hollow and like and Jess have the moment outside after she is practically shooting through the roof with excitement, they both agree that it’s crazy. We also then see that the person who’s seen all her relationships for all the the times (I’m talking Jess but yes I know Luke saw the ends of them) tell Luke to not bother trying to stop it because she doesn’t care what he thinks. While I don’t agree with Jess being rude to Luke in this scene, the understanding part of it was that he was angry that everyone was trying to force him to “do the good thing” for his mum, when he’d been let down by her so many times but it had been brushed off as “she’s still your mum”. But the line where he says “she definitly doesnt care what I think” kinda confirms that the writers didn’t just abandon the part of the story where Liz isn’t good to Jess. She’s nice and bubbly with everyone else but screws over those who she loves.
Great perspective!
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Yes they were gunna do a spinoff like they did w melrose place and 90210. But WB didnt pick it up
Ohhhhh it was a network didn’t pick it up issue?
Jess is way too good for rory now that he's gotten his life together rory would only cause him heartbreak
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I think jess fits a pda autistic profile and his mum and dad could be nd as well, partially explaining why they aren't bad people but they were unsupported and overwhelmed as parents. Also pda autists are autodidacta and school is worst environment from them. He thrived when he could learn and grow in other environments where he could follow his passions.
Lorelai was really condescending to him with her little speech when he first came, presuming she could step into his life, immediately have his trust and guide and advice him. It was disrespectful to him to do that and he felt that and then mirrored that back at her. I think he was very insightful and could smell out smug, self righteousness and mirrored the disrespect right back.
When people genuinely try with him he does try back, e.g with Emily.
A big reason people don't like him is that he can act like a mirror. Some individuals and institutions don't like what they see in the mirror.
Жаль, что его не посадили в колонию для малолетних преступников после первой же кражи, СХ стал бы лучше.
For me - the entire "Jess fiasco" didn't belong with the GG world. Sure much of the town and Lor was quirky but that's about it. They were not the 'bad guy' 'the lone wolf with a chip on his shoulder' type of people. None where close! But Jess's 'character' was too far out there to even 'mesh decently enough' with anyone in the show. Jess has himself to blame and no one else period. Sure his mom didn't help the situation, but there are many guys that rise above it, as well as many guy's whom 'blame everyone else except themselves.' All of that is well before he even gets to Stars Hollow cause he's what? 15 or 16 by then?!? No - everything is on him! Rory herself even points the finger: "Why are you only nice to me?" or something to that effect. He doesn't put forth any effort whatsoever except for Rory! So here's the thing - if he put forth some effort, how would things have developed? I would argue that they would have gone better!
I do definitely agree that if he could rise above mentally feeling like the world was against him, and try, it would have definitely been better for him in starts hollow! I think he does grow and learn that he can make the change in his life, and then that’s when he writes his book and starts growing as a person! Thanks for your thoughts!!
imagine blaming everything that went wrong on a 15/16 year old kid raised by a drug addict flaky mom and a deadbeat dad? like ofcourse jess wasnt this perfect kid, no not at all. but, any kid in his shoes wouldve gone in much darker ways in life and to see jess end up where he is with the childhood he had is commendable. i always judge people based on whether or not they can have empathy for his character, not excusing his mistakes, nope. but, just acknowledging that he was the character who had it worst in the entire show.
@@zumann874 Empathy! The measure of a man. Up until Jess wrote his book, did he have any empathy? Excluding Rory to a degree, he didn't. None for anyone. There are a bazillion different routes we take under any situation; some always lean towards the good, the light, the right... Others go different routes. Sadly I know quite a few guys that grew up in worse situations, most didn't travel the dark path. And for those that did, they eventually found the light as Jess finally did.
I agree that he could have put more effort into everything however at the same time he didn’t feel like there was as point in doing so. He had lost hope in himself because of how everyone gave up on him and believed that he was beyond redemption. (Sorry for such a late reply)
Yes he made decisions. But I wouldn’t put everything on a teenager. Young adult Rory who stole a yacht and got away with a slap on the wrist and community hours while not taking responsibility for her actions or her part in anything is another story.
Yeah finally someone who does NOT like Jess. I mean come on guys, let's be real, just because its Milo doesn't mean the character he's playing isn't problematic
Oh no, I hope I didn’t give that impression! I do like Jess at the end, I just also think he’s got some responsibility in the situation too. At the beginning he really wasn’t my favorite though, so in that case. Yes I wasn’t a fan!