Can I suggest top 5 zero-vote finalists? While some no-vote finalists are complete goats, others were really good players but it was just that the winner was a lot better.
Stephen Dawn Spencer Sugar Becky (extremely underrated) would be my list in random order, honorable mentions to Sash Tai and Hannah. Worst 0 vote goats would have to be Russell Natalie Ken and Gervase. Although I personally think Will is more pathetic than all of these.
stephen obviously wins that im also all for becky appreciation since ftc focused solely on yul and the ozzy and she was a lot stronger then people gave her credit for
Redemption Island happened to be my first season of survivor as I didn't know which one to start with and the name and concept sounded intriguing. I followed that up with One World thinking it couldn't be as one-sided as the last one. Fml. Then came Cagayan and my hope was restored in Survivor.
Pagonging’s are almost never fun. South Pacific was my first season but rewatching it was almost painful after Cochran flipped. You’re just sitting there begging for Ozzy to win somehow, and it was basically laid out for him and he still failed.
@@DizzyedUpGirl Galu messed it up by voting out Erik when they were up 8 to 4, meaning they could no longer employ a split vote strategy in case someone had an idol (like Russell the very next episode.) If they just keep Erik for another tribal and vote out Jaison, they could then vote him out next episode and still be up 7-3.
That’s a pagonging we actually like watching though. Every week watching that season it was so fun watching Russel and Foa Foa seemingly digging themselves up from the bottom and watching the ego and entitlement of the other tribe slowly die each week was great.
The worst thing to happen to the men in One World was Colton being removed from the game. He was an extremely unlikable tyrant, but he was the only one that could actually get the men to be organized. Had he stayed, Christina would have definitely been the next one to go pre-merge, and the guys would've been up 7-5 going into the merge.
At the very least, Colton would have either been voted out along the way or gotten absolutely disemboweled by the jury if he somehow reached the end. That would have at least given us a satisfying moment of karma for the guy who basically escaped justice twice.
I don't mind pagongings, just as long as the underdogs are interesting or the entire episode leading up to the elimination is good. HvV which is one of, if not the best season of Survivor was essentially a pagonging (except for Danielle getting eliminated) and this current seasons pagonging hasn't been too bad as Joe and Mike are both entertaining underdogs and queen Lauren is entertaining as well.
You’re right about that. HvV is one of the best seasons but the cast - especially the villains - was spectacular. It’s the same in Panama to a lesser extent. I love the interactions between Aras, Shane, Daniele, Cirie, and Courtney, it’s just a shame that the underdogs sucked
Vanuatu is one season that had a botched pagonging, in which the women systematically eliminated the men until only one man remained. he then won the game :/ If you want to find a sleeper gem of an old school season, check our survivor Vanuatu. Incredible editing and storyline.
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Maybe because I love Boston Robb, I really liked Survivor Redemption Island. Plus the pagoned tribe had it coming for throwing a challenge just to get Russell out. I though the worst case was the one Stephanie came from where the tribe lost so much it was down to 1 person left at the merge. Not technically a pagong, but man that tribe was terrible.
Samoa was A Pagonging, but I have to say, it was a thrilling one. It was in my opinion the best earlier season of survivor. The Foa Foa 4 Going in with Galu at 8 and not a SINGLE Galu survives was just amazing.
Calling Somoa an earlier season is technically true as it's in the first half of the show, but I would argue it was the first season of the 3rd era of Survivor that lasted until Cagayan or SJDS.
I actually like pagongings, I would like to see a season without tribe swaps. I think that comes from enjoying the team portion of the game more than other viewers might.
This video was great! keep up the good work! The one edit I'd make is add Heroes VS Villains to this list. Three out of five heroes left in a row, then one villain, followed by the last two heroes. Again, loved the video. Great job!
Slickwillie FourZeros I considered HvV butttt there are at least 5 others worthy of being mentioned before it! Plus Danellie going does kinda interrupt the flow, and I think Candice leaving was less a pagonging and more shifting numbers. I think.
I really liked season 22 because of how much I love Boston rob. I wasn’t watching that season for the underdogs, I was watching my fave player perfectly mind control a group of people
Jeff called them out the first time Zapatera went to tribal council. I forgot exactly what he said, but the essence was "you guys are effed" I don't recall every season, but has a tribe imploded as badly as Zapatera did? Julie was right in being unsure if throwing a challenge was the right long term play. I think Zapatera only won a single challenge after Day 9 BR picked them off one by one and blindsided one of his own twice in the process.
I'm glad you put Exile Island on this list. I actually really liked the La Mina alliance (post merge), even though they didn't stand a chance. Watching them get picked off one by one was so frustrating. They just could not find any cracks, and no one was willing to budge. However, it was kind of beautiful, in a pitiful way, how none of the La Mina alliance turned on each other even as their numbers dwindelled.
One World was my favorite Pagonging. I didn't like any of the men. I thought they were idiots for kowtowing to Colton and giving up immunity just to empower his racism. And I loved Kim, Chelsea, and Sabrina. They were the most likeable characters all season, and how wonderful that they got to the end together. Every episode of them mentally outplaying the men (and Alicia) was a treat.
I thought it would be the season where one tribe didn't make it to the merge. Instead the last member just got absorbed into the tribe that won almost every time (I think they lost once but that could have been an episode where both tribes lost a member).
Usually tho, the eventual winner of the season is someone that wanted it to be a pagong. Rich, Tina, Brian, Amber, Tom, Aras, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie White, Boston Rob, Sophie, Mike Holloway, Wendell, Chris Underwood
One World was destroyed by Pagonging and.... by Colton leaving! The pre-merge episodes were super entertaining, Colton was probably a horrible human being but a great TV character, very funny as a villain, and actually had some real power over his tribe. Once he left, nothing else happened in the entire season.
I actually liked One World. It's one of my favorite seasons. I know that it's universally hated, but after RI and SP both having the Redemption Island twist, and only like 4-5 people getting any air time for the whole show, One World was a breath of fresh air for me. No RI twist and you got to know almost everybody except for Mike and Leif.
The Heroes tribe needs to be on this list, mostly because they had multiple chances to not be Pagonged had they listened to Sandra the first time she told them that Russell couldn't be trusted and that she wanted to flip to them, but JT giving Russell his idol and Candice flipping to the Villains the following tribal put a stop to that
What is worst is RAROTONGING. RAROTONGING is like you are in numbers advantage but you are desimated by the smaller ally. See Survivor Cook Islands, especially the Aitu 4
I actually found the Boston rob pagonging quite entertaining due to how unusual and outrageous that cult was. He ruled that camp with an iron fist and no one on both tribes tried to switch it up. lol
To each their own. That is the only season ever in survivor I nearly quit watching. So boring. I called a Rob-Philip-Natalie T Final 3 on the 2nd episode.
Pagoning's do make the show blah and predictable BUT if a tribe can get into that position where they have the trust and the numbers to stick together and knock the opposition out, that really is the best strategy from a player's point of view. I'm so glad I found your channel, I love Survivor and haven't found many reviewers for this show. Can't wait to see more of your videos :)
Nearly three years later, we have one in Big Brother: "All-Stars 2." Easily one of the most boring, rigged and offensive seasons, ever. Production could've broken up the vanilla alliance (Memphis, Christmas, Cody, Nicole, Danielle and Tyler) to prevent this. They did nothing and now it's one of the lowest-rated seasons despite having little competition for original programming and being an "(sm)all-stars" cast.
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RIDICULOUS BUDDY SYSTEM?!?!? Ummm. Excuse me. That was straight up Genius. That season was entertaining to watch as u see what a great player can really do.
I feel like One World gets way too much hate. Yes the cast didn't really fight Kim, but she was a force and all those blindsides were very entertaining. I loved it and there were lots of memorable characters. Redemption Island though.....the absolute worst. Can't even try to rewatch it. Just terrible
refinding this 6 years later, gotta remark on how ghost island (which hadn't aired yet) belongs on this list now retroactively probably around #5 or 4, and how ghost island and palau are a special type of pagonging that's pretty much only been seen those 2 times.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt. John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
Hello Peridiam; I really enjoy watching/listening to your analysis. I am an OG Survivor fan, I started from season 1. You forgot to mention the Australian outback pagonging. Incase you don't remember, in Survivor season 2, @ the final 11, they were still two tribes, and the numbers were split 5 to 6. I forgot the tribe names though :(. One of the casts, who was in the tribe of 6, Michael Scoopin fell in fire and was medically evacuated. Because of that the corresponding immunity challenge did not take place, therefore the tribes went into the merge 5 to 5. They went to tribal council, and tribal lines were still strong. The vote was 5 to 5 which by the way, was the first ever tie vote on survivor. They went on a revote. They revoted, it was still a tie except that the people whom the votes were cast on were not allowed to vote this time, so it was effectively 4 to 4. Then the tie breaker happened, which was that whoever received most votes in a previous tribal council would go home. This was when jeff Varner was voted out. Bear in mind that he was from the tribe that had 6. From there a pagonging began. I guess they were really just unlucky. Sorry. I really love to tell that story. As an OG fan you realise how far this series has come. I really enjoy watching your videos peridiam, long may it continue.
Kucha tribe had Mike Skupin. Other tribe wass Ogakor. It was not a Pagong. Jerri and Amber were voted off before Final 5. Elisabeth and Rodger from Kucha outlasted them.
Maybe I’m just strange but I really enjoyed watching Redemption Island??? It’s even with China on my board. Idk I think I just like villains winning......
The first season that came to mind was Palau. This might not qualify as a Pagoning though since they basically eliminated the other tribe pre-merge. Only Stephanie was left.
Survivor Thailand is SO frustrating and literally it's entirely production's fault. I definitely think the schoolyard pick at the beginning of the season sorted the castaways in a far less interesting arrangement than otherwise could've happened, and it's easy to picture other seasons (say, Australia) being JUST as boring had they been schoolyard picks. And yeah, the fake merge was a TERRIBLE decision and super cringe, and one of the only two likeable castaways (Shii Ann, who I still believe to this day could've made final four if the twist didn't happen) on the entire season was immediately eliminated because of it. Ugh.
Redemption Island one of my favorite just because its the most dominant performance of a single person ever on survivor he brought who he wanted to the finals no one else could do that like he did...
The redemption island twist was terrible but actually didn’t make any difference, Philip was hillarious and what Boston Rob did was beautifull, imo this is far from being the worst season. Not every season has at least a few good characters, some memorable moments （Russell destroyed, Philip stuff, the final tribal...）and such a great great winner.
The original Pagong(ing) is tragic but amusing, given the behind the scenes stuff that has come out over the years (and I believe Jeff talked about it in his book back in the day). About how Pagong largely just didn't think the show was going to be a thing, so they absolutely were just screwing around, having fun, voting for Jeff, getting talking-to's to take things seriously, retaping confessionals and tribals, etc. On top of that is Tagi actually having an alliance, Richard actually employing strategy, and Pagong not actually even attempting to play the game until way too late. It really sucks they all got picked off one by one, but it's also not remotely surprising. 😂 Pagonging doesn't feel quite as bad when it's a group you love vs a group you don't, but it pretty much never ever happens that way. Which makes it all the more miserable when it happens, when the group you dislike triumphs.
The worst for me was Worlds Apart. That was a season where the likable alliance got pagonged by one of the most unlikable alliances in the history of the show. I stopped watching once Shirin was voted out because there was no one left that I liked. I would put that instead of Panama personally.
I mean it was mainly the other no collars, but I stopped watching because I knew that the season would not get better with people like Dan, Rodney, Tyler, Sierra and especially Will. I wasn’t a huge fan of Shirin but she was in the minority alliance, so I was hoping she somehow avoid getting voted out and once she was gone, I stopped watching because I had no desire to watch the remaining players. That season was just a mess and it’s disappointing because it started out very strong. The pagonging of the no collars ruined the season for me. It wasn’t just boring and predictable, it was downright uncomfortable to watch with Dan’s comments and the fight between Will and Shirin that got personal.
cagayan is not pagonging. do u mean morgan lj jeremiah jefra streak? cagayan is like the modern tropical version of china but started up with 3 tribes.
Thank you for mentioning the debacle that was Redemption Island. Not only is the Pagonging terrible, boring and predictable, but the season itself ranks as one of the worst seasons of Survivor ever, along with Thailand and Marquesas. There was no fun or excitement in Redemption Island, just being hammered over the head with relentless despicable, obnoxious behavior, with cult-like twist. The fact that the Ometepe tribe, other than Andrea, never realized that Rob had to be taken out was just ridiculously stupid.
Pagongings aren't necessarily bad if the characters in the story is told well and majority are good characters (which a lot of these seasons were not, other than Panama). Plus it can be fun to see the majority eat each other alive at the same time.
While a Pagonging can make for a predictable outcome and thus not compelling TV - making things as predictable as possible as possible is exactly the state that a top strategist would seek to achieve, whether it be an army general, a chess grand-master looking 10 moves ahead, or an alpha-type Survivor player. It is no coincidence that most Pagongings occur when there is a clear dominant strategist above the level of the other survivors. Hatch, Heidik, Spradling, BRob, Kwon etc. (Note: RI actually had a good merge episode where the first vote was actually not a Pagong but a re-hit on Matt. Also, that the Pagongers sometimes start from numerical inferior position does not make seasons like Cook Island, Samoa and the like any less of a Pagonging). The Alpha game is of course not the only way to win (just ask Sandra) but when they do, those are the seasons where most people agree have the most deserving winners.
Omg I totally agree with this. I get bored when the popular kids only gets more popular because they get all the cool blings that sometimes it feels like it’s almost handed to them. I didn’t like the rob show at all. I only continued watching cause I was hoping that someone’s gonna flip on him episode after episode
agree with redemption island with the worst pagonging ever... even worst of the worst season ever. Like ever! No tribe swap, bad casting, no specific game changer twist, it's just production wanted to make Boston Rob win...
Redemption island was really entertaining and what Boston rob started and finished was really beautiful .It was a masterclass in how to control and play survivor. The players were fantastic and were of a high caliber. On the other hand One World literally had the least interesting survivor players.They were neither entertaining nor of a high caliber . The result of who was gonna win was determined right from the very beginning .i.e after Matt got voted out, anyone with a working pair of eyes could see it . One world was surely more boring and deserved No.1 on your padonging list :/
"Getting rid of Russell" is not a strategy in any way shape or form. Did anyone else think that Steve = hot garbage? Going after Stephanie for voting for him? Seriously? Win or lose, you're going to see your name on that parchment?
Thailand was awful. Hated the season. The episode where Erin was voted out and Sook Jai just stood in a circle crying and bawling talking about how much they loved each other. We never knew why they actually voted Erin off. Poor Shii-Ann. Her tribe was awful to her and viewers felt terrible for her and wanted her to thrive. Glad in All-Stars she got her justice.
I do think Ashley winning immunity at Final 5 made a difference. Grant would now have been in Final 4, and he probably wins the final immunity challenge which Rob barely won anyway. Grant would have then won either by booting Rob or beating him in the Final 3 (the jury hated Rob and might vote anyone but Phillip or Natalie over him).
Redemption Island (Nicaragua) is viewed as possibly the worst season by many critics. Ironically, this is the season that got me back into Survivor. I had watched the first three seasons when they aired, but grew away from the show. I had seen a preview for the second episode of Redemption Island and thought, what the hell. I’ll watch it and instantly fell in love with the show once again and I have never looked back.
@@meghanogilvie6102 - I simply put Nicaragua so people would know the difference since there were multiple seasons of Redemption Island. However, if you actually did your homework you would know where San Juan del Sur is located....Nicaragua.
Season 22 was the first season u watched and I loved it the most recent season I watched was one world. I guess I just admire when someone comes and completely doninates the season.
My thoughts on all Pagongings. 1st season gets a pass because it was the first one and people weren't watching the show purely for strategy. Also we didn't know what to expect or what would happen. 3rd season also gets a bit of a pass for being an early season. I will always hate Brandon for not going with everyone when Kelly flipped. 5th last season that gets a pass for me. Early season and was how we still expected to people to play 8th season was painful to me because these were supposed to be all stars. At least Shiann won an immunity to throw a vote off for one tribal, but still didn't change anything 13th season wasn't so bad, actually it was good. We knew the 4 would never split up, but since it was such a huge comeback it was enjoyable to witness and actually root for them. (I know it's controversial to call this 22nd season was bad but at least Boston Rob got rid of Matt first before Pagonging, it made things a little more interesting 23rd was the worst imo. We knew what was going to happen every step of the way, at least they had a double boot episode. 24th was bad, but at least Kat got voted out before Tarzan
Can I suggest top 5 zero-vote finalists? While some no-vote finalists are complete goats, others were really good players but it was just that the winner was a lot better.
Great idea! I think I'll look to making this once HHH wraps up.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it :)
Stephen Dawn Spencer Sugar Becky (extremely underrated) would be my list in random order, honorable mentions to Sash Tai and Hannah.
Worst 0 vote goats would have to be Russell Natalie Ken and Gervase. Although I personally think Will is more pathetic than all of these.
Sugar in top 3 at least
stephen obviously wins that
im also all for becky appreciation since ftc focused solely on yul and the ozzy and she was a lot stronger then people gave her credit for
Redemption Island happened to be my first season of survivor as I didn't know which one to start with and the name and concept sounded intriguing. I followed that up with One World thinking it couldn't be as one-sided as the last one.
Fml.
Then came Cagayan and my hope was restored in Survivor.
RI as your first ever Survivor season? Tragic. So glad you toughed it and stuck with it.
LOVED Shii Ann's legendary "stupid people" confessional sealing the deal at the end
all stars when she won immunity at 7, but another pagonging nonetheless.
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Pagonging’s are almost never fun. South Pacific was my first season but rewatching it was almost painful after Cochran flipped. You’re just sitting there begging for Ozzy to win somehow, and it was basically laid out for him and he still failed.
NZ Man123 that was my first season too! I was rooting for Savaii and watching them all leave 1 by 1 was depressing.
12 year old me was just sitting there begging for something to change it.
NZ Man123 I was like 10 I was used to Total Drama which always had a good ending and then this ends in an Upolu final 6
Same for me, which naturally led to me believing that Ozzy would win everything and be the ultimate good guy hero avenger. Boy was I wrong
Meanwhile, I was rooting for Queen Sophie :D
foa foa 4, pagonging a tribe of 8.. that needed special mention.
Same the Aitu 4 of CI
FOA FOA should have 100% gotten Pagonged. I tip my hat to Foa Foa 4 for getting out of that.
@@DizzyedUpGirl Galu messed it up by voting out Erik when they were up 8 to 4, meaning they could no longer employ a split vote strategy in case someone had an idol (like Russell the very next episode.) If they just keep Erik for another tribal and vote out Jaison, they could then vote him out next episode and still be up 7-3.
That’s a pagonging we actually like watching though. Every week watching that season it was so fun watching Russel and Foa Foa seemingly digging themselves up from the bottom and watching the ego and entitlement of the other tribe slowly die each week was great.
This video is about the worst though. People actually liked seeing Galu get picked off. 4 beating 8 is insane.
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The worst thing to happen to the men in One World was Colton being removed from the game. He was an extremely unlikable tyrant, but he was the only one that could actually get the men to be organized. Had he stayed, Christina would have definitely been the next one to go pre-merge, and the guys would've been up 7-5 going into the merge.
It's colton
I'm pretty sure Colton made it clear in one of his confessionals that he wanted to side with the girls post-merge. It wouldn't have made a difference.
At the very least, Colton would have either been voted out along the way or gotten absolutely disemboweled by the jury if he somehow reached the end. That would have at least given us a satisfying moment of karma for the guy who basically escaped justice twice.
Hatzmania the karma was so satisfying for me, so I was okay with it.
Remember it was Colton he was a bully in one world and bvw who always got his way maybe it was for the better he went
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I don't mind pagongings, just as long as the underdogs are interesting or the entire episode leading up to the elimination is good. HvV which is one of, if not the best season of Survivor was essentially a pagonging (except for Danielle getting eliminated) and this current seasons pagonging hasn't been too bad as Joe and Mike are both entertaining underdogs and queen Lauren is entertaining as well.
You’re right about that. HvV is one of the best seasons but the cast - especially the villains - was spectacular. It’s the same in Panama to a lesser extent. I love the interactions between Aras, Shane, Daniele, Cirie, and Courtney, it’s just a shame that the underdogs sucked
@@TheMurrmursonbottle honestly i wanted La Mina to be pagonged jaja. One of few times that pagongings were funnker
Russell, Parvati, Rob (for the rivalry with Russell), and the absolute stupidity of the Hero Tribe + Tyson made HvV soooooo entertaining!
Vanuatu is one season that had a botched pagonging, in which the women systematically eliminated the men until only one man remained. he then won the game :/ If you want to find a sleeper gem of an old school season, check our survivor Vanuatu. Incredible editing and storyline.
Pagong? More like...
*PaGONE!!!!*
I'll see myself out....
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You can add Malolo tribe from Ghost Island now
They technically only got Unlonged not pagonged.
Maybe because I love Boston Robb, I really liked Survivor Redemption Island. Plus the pagoned tribe had it coming for throwing a challenge just to get Russell out. I though the worst case was the one Stephanie came from where the tribe lost so much it was down to 1 person left at the merge. Not technically a pagong, but man that tribe was terrible.
Samoa was A Pagonging, but I have to say, it was a thrilling one. It was in my opinion the best earlier season of survivor. The Foa Foa 4 Going in with Galu at 8 and not a SINGLE Galu survives was just amazing.
Calling Somoa an earlier season is technically true as it's in the first half of the show, but I would argue it was the first season of the 3rd era of Survivor that lasted until Cagayan or SJDS.
I actually like pagongings, I would like to see a season without tribe swaps. I think that comes from enjoying the team portion of the game more than other viewers might.
This video was great! keep up the good work! The one edit I'd make is add Heroes VS Villains to this list. Three out of five heroes left in a row, then one villain, followed by the last two heroes. Again, loved the video. Great job!
Slickwillie FourZeros I considered HvV butttt there are at least 5 others worthy of being mentioned before it! Plus Danellie going does kinda interrupt the flow, and I think Candice leaving was less a pagonging and more shifting numbers. I think.
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I really liked season 22 because of how much I love Boston rob. I wasn’t watching that season for the underdogs, I was watching my fave player perfectly mind control a group of people
I know right? That's the main reason I loved that season, He worked his magic from day one!
That's also the main reason I watched that season all the way
Jeff called them out the first time Zapatera went to tribal council. I forgot exactly what he said, but the essence was "you guys are effed"
I don't recall every season, but has a tribe imploded as badly as Zapatera did? Julie was right in being unsure if throwing a challenge was the right long term play. I think Zapatera only won a single challenge after Day 9
BR picked them off one by one and blindsided one of his own twice in the process.
I'm glad you put Exile Island on this list. I actually really liked the La Mina alliance (post merge), even though they didn't stand a chance. Watching them get picked off one by one was so frustrating. They just could not find any cracks, and no one was willing to budge. However, it was kind of beautiful, in a pitiful way, how none of the La Mina alliance turned on each other even as their numbers dwindelled.
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One World was my favorite Pagonging. I didn't like any of the men. I thought they were idiots for kowtowing to Colton and giving up immunity just to empower his racism. And I loved Kim, Chelsea, and Sabrina. They were the most likeable characters all season, and how wonderful that they got to the end together. Every episode of them mentally outplaying the men (and Alicia) was a treat.
I thought it would be the season where one tribe didn't make it to the merge. Instead the last member just got absorbed into the tribe that won almost every time (I think they lost once but that could have been an episode where both tribes lost a member).
Usually tho, the eventual winner of the season is someone that wanted it to be a pagong. Rich, Tina, Brian, Amber, Tom, Aras, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie White, Boston Rob, Sophie, Mike Holloway, Wendell, Chris Underwood
A Pogoning is definitely about to happen on ghost island
Didn’t even watch that boring season
One World was destroyed by Pagonging and.... by Colton leaving! The pre-merge episodes were super entertaining, Colton was probably a horrible human being but a great TV character, very funny as a villain, and actually had some real power over his tribe. Once he left, nothing else happened in the entire season.
I actually liked One World. It's one of my favorite seasons. I know that it's universally hated, but after RI and SP both having the Redemption Island twist, and only like 4-5 people getting any air time for the whole show, One World was a breath of fresh air for me. No RI twist and you got to know almost everybody except for Mike and Leif.
Poor Leif.
One World is not great. But it's okay. And Kim's game was flawless.
It's strange to think the original Pagonging wouldn't have happened without Kelly's immunity run.
It still would have been a pagonging just not a pure pagonging
dude, i just saw an idea of a top 5 and I totally buy it the idea of "Top 5 best FTC performances by runners-up"
The Heroes tribe needs to be on this list, mostly because they had multiple chances to not be Pagonged had they listened to Sandra the first time she told them that Russell couldn't be trusted and that she wanted to flip to them, but JT giving Russell his idol and Candice flipping to the Villains the following tribal put a stop to that
What is worst is RAROTONGING. RAROTONGING is like you are in numbers advantage but you are desimated by the smaller ally. See Survivor Cook Islands, especially the Aitu 4
I actually found the Boston rob pagonging quite entertaining due to how unusual and outrageous that cult was. He ruled that camp with an iron fist and no one on both tribes tried to switch it up. lol
To each their own. That is the only season ever in survivor I nearly quit watching. So boring. I called a Rob-Philip-Natalie T Final 3 on the 2nd episode.
Pagoning's do make the show blah and predictable BUT if a tribe can get into that position where they have the trust and the numbers to stick together and knock the opposition out, that really is the best strategy from a player's point of view.
I'm so glad I found your channel, I love Survivor and haven't found many reviewers for this show. Can't wait to see more of your videos :)
Nearly three years later, we have one in Big Brother: "All-Stars 2." Easily one of the most boring, rigged and offensive seasons, ever. Production could've broken up the vanilla alliance (Memphis, Christmas, Cody, Nicole, Danielle and Tyler) to prevent this. They did nothing and now it's one of the lowest-rated seasons despite having little competition for original programming and being an "(sm)all-stars" cast.
Kinda fitting that it's also the 22nd season, much like RI was.
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Hey Peridiam, please do a future video on the top 10 alliance, and duos as you did in Big Brother US, and also do so for Canadian Big Brother as well please. Just something in the future. Please make this happen
Great video. I was thinking that... Ooh! Flying fish!
RIDICULOUS BUDDY SYSTEM?!?!? Ummm. Excuse me. That was straight up Genius. That season was entertaining to watch as u see what a great player can really do.
It was ridiculous only since the others were a joke to agree to it. What a bunch of bumbling clowns that season.
A strategy that only works when the other players are complete idiots.
12:27 Andrea's cakeface is amazing :)
What about Survivor Cook Islands where Aitu 4 took out Raro tribe?
I feel like One World gets way too much hate. Yes the cast didn't really fight Kim, but she was a force and all those blindsides were very entertaining. I loved it and there were lots of memorable characters. Redemption Island though.....the absolute worst. Can't even try to rewatch it. Just terrible
refinding this 6 years later, gotta remark on how ghost island (which hadn't aired yet) belongs on this list now retroactively probably around #5 or 4, and how ghost island and palau are a special type of pagonging that's pretty much only been seen those 2 times.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt.
John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
Thailand wasn't a Pagonging because of the twist - Brian had already convinced Shii Ann to flip.
Hello Peridiam; I really enjoy watching/listening to your analysis. I am an OG Survivor fan, I started from season 1.
You forgot to mention the Australian outback pagonging. Incase you don't remember, in Survivor season 2, @ the final 11, they were still two tribes, and the numbers were split 5 to 6. I forgot the tribe names though :(. One of the casts, who was in the tribe of 6, Michael Scoopin fell in fire and was medically evacuated. Because of that the corresponding immunity challenge did not take place, therefore the tribes went into the merge 5 to 5. They went to tribal council, and tribal lines were still strong. The vote was 5 to 5 which by the way, was the first ever tie vote on survivor. They went on a revote. They revoted, it was still a tie except that the people whom the votes were cast on were not allowed to vote this time, so it was effectively 4 to 4. Then the tie breaker happened, which was that whoever received most votes in a previous tribal council would go home. This was when jeff Varner was voted out. Bear in mind that he was from the tribe that had 6. From there a pagonging began. I guess they were really just unlucky.
Sorry. I really love to tell that story. As an OG fan you realise how far this series has come. I really enjoy watching your videos peridiam, long may it continue.
Kucha tribe had Mike Skupin. Other tribe wass Ogakor. It was not a Pagong. Jerri and Amber were voted off before Final 5. Elisabeth and Rodger from Kucha outlasted them.
Maybe I’m just strange but I really enjoyed watching Redemption Island??? It’s even with China on my board. Idk I think I just like villains winning......
Love your vids❤🔝
"A pagong is a type of wild Filipino turtle"
I feel so dumb as a Filipino because I thought pagong just meant turtle and wasn't a specific breed 😭
I just get addicted to survivor so your videos help me a lot.
im from the Philippines
The first season that came to mind was Palau. This might not qualify as a Pagoning though since they basically eliminated the other tribe pre-merge. Only Stephanie was left.
It’s not a Pagonging because it happened pre-merge
Anyone else scream Palau to the screen for the number 1 spot and then Redemption Island pop up
I thought Palau was going to be part of the list.
Survivor Thailand is SO frustrating and literally it's entirely production's fault. I definitely think the schoolyard pick at the beginning of the season sorted the castaways in a far less interesting arrangement than otherwise could've happened, and it's easy to picture other seasons (say, Australia) being JUST as boring had they been schoolyard picks. And yeah, the fake merge was a TERRIBLE decision and super cringe, and one of the only two likeable castaways (Shii Ann, who I still believe to this day could've made final four if the twist didn't happen) on the entire season was immediately eliminated because of it. Ugh.
You should do a video ranking the top reverse pagongings! Tocantins, Samoa, and Cook Islands immediately come to mind.
Darren Loro I don't think tocantins and Samoa would count as they are on the pre merge side, which makes them ulongings
Redemption Island one of my favorite just because its the most dominant performance of a single person ever on survivor he brought who he wanted to the finals no one else could do that like he did...
I think the producers have avoid Pagoings by doing swaps early and sometimes 2 times. So it doesn't get predictible.
Shii Ann moment reminded me - list of best clutch immunity wins could be cool!
The best pagonging is galu in samoa
The Doich that and heroes vs villains
Fuck no, Russell sucks.
the one where the dominant tribe starts down 7 to 3+ Russell. It is just such an insurmountable lead.
russell counts as ten people so they had advantege
Also Raro in Cook Islands
The redemption island twist was terrible but actually didn’t make any difference, Philip was hillarious and what Boston Rob did was beautifull, imo this is far from being the worst season. Not every season has at least a few good characters, some memorable moments （Russell destroyed, Philip stuff, the final tribal...）and such a great great winner.
I think redemption island had so much potential! Voting off russell hantz so early proved to be pretty silly
Yes we know the Zapatera 6 ruined their own games.
0:12 Within ~8 seconds, auto-subtitles thinks pagoning is “epic yawning”, “pig oinking” a swear word, and “Pagini’s”
The original Pagong(ing) is tragic but amusing, given the behind the scenes stuff that has come out over the years (and I believe Jeff talked about it in his book back in the day). About how Pagong largely just didn't think the show was going to be a thing, so they absolutely were just screwing around, having fun, voting for Jeff, getting talking-to's to take things seriously, retaping confessionals and tribals, etc. On top of that is Tagi actually having an alliance, Richard actually employing strategy, and Pagong not actually even attempting to play the game until way too late. It really sucks they all got picked off one by one, but it's also not remotely surprising. 😂
Pagonging doesn't feel quite as bad when it's a group you love vs a group you don't, but it pretty much never ever happens that way. Which makes it all the more miserable when it happens, when the group you dislike triumphs.
“Maybe with a Bow and arrow” oh Jesus shots fired (bow and arrow shots)
And now Malolo. Smh
Harambe That's a ulonging my dude.
Not really... You're talking about the Healer tribe.
The worst for me was Worlds Apart. That was a season where the likable alliance got pagonged by one of the most unlikable alliances in the history of the show. I stopped watching once Shirin was voted out because there was no one left that I liked. I would put that instead of Panama personally.
Really shirin out of ever in the cast, you liked shirin, she was super annoying
I mean it was mainly the other no collars, but I stopped watching because I knew that the season would not get better with people like Dan, Rodney, Tyler, Sierra and especially Will. I wasn’t a huge fan of Shirin but she was in the minority alliance, so I was hoping she somehow avoid getting voted out and once she was gone, I stopped watching because I had no desire to watch the remaining players. That season was just a mess and it’s disappointing because it started out very strong. The pagonging of the no collars ruined the season for me. It wasn’t just boring and predictable, it was downright uncomfortable to watch with Dan’s comments and the fight between Will and Shirin that got personal.
Shii Ann was going to flip on her Sook Jai tribe so it was going to be a Pagoning anyway...
Rewatching this video now, crazy to think that 41 and 42 has no tribe swaps (not counting the trails) but no pagonging at all.
Love your vids!
Thanks!
Some pagongings end up being great seasons.. HvV, Panama, Cagayan, etc
cagayan is not pagonging. do u mean morgan lj jeremiah jefra streak? cagayan is like the modern tropical version of china but started up with 3 tribes.
+Peridiam I think pagongings exist in Big Brother, too. The current season is a prime example of this.
You need to do the best pagongings ever and include the Cook Islands
Thank you for mentioning the debacle that was Redemption Island. Not only is the Pagonging terrible, boring and predictable, but the season itself ranks as one of the worst seasons of Survivor ever, along with Thailand and Marquesas. There was no fun or excitement in Redemption Island, just being hammered over the head with relentless despicable, obnoxious behavior, with cult-like twist. The fact that the Ometepe tribe, other than Andrea, never realized that Rob had to be taken out was just ridiculously stupid.
Pagongings aren't necessarily bad if the characters in the story is told well and majority are good characters (which a lot of these seasons were not, other than Panama). Plus it can be fun to see the majority eat each other alive at the same time.
While a Pagonging can make for a predictable outcome and thus not compelling TV - making things as predictable as possible as possible is exactly the state that a top strategist would seek to achieve, whether it be an army general, a chess grand-master looking 10 moves ahead, or an alpha-type Survivor player.
It is no coincidence that most Pagongings occur when there is a clear dominant strategist above the level of the other survivors. Hatch, Heidik, Spradling, BRob, Kwon etc. (Note: RI actually had a good merge episode where the first vote was actually not a Pagong but a re-hit on Matt. Also, that the Pagongers sometimes start from numerical inferior position does not make seasons like Cook Island, Samoa and the like any less of a Pagonging). The Alpha game is of course not the only way to win (just ask Sandra) but when they do, those are the seasons where most people agree have the most deserving winners.
Omg I totally agree with this. I get bored when the popular kids only gets more popular because they get all the cool blings that sometimes it feels like it’s almost handed to them. I didn’t like the rob show at all. I only continued watching cause I was hoping that someone’s gonna flip on him episode after episode
And despite pangongings are boring and frustrating, there are still people that list Survivor Borneo as the "best" season better... pfff!
Borneo is so overrated. Of all the first 20 seasons, i would say it is only better than Thailand and Fiji.
Awesome video as always! Maybe a most underrated players list? Also, what is your opinion on Earl from Fiji?
I like Earl a lot. Probably one of the nicest winners. What's your opinion?
In my opinion, he's one of the most underrated Survivor castaways of all time. He played the social game absolutely phenomenally! Great winner
Fiji is a good one because post swap Ravu gets pagonged after the merge largely due to the haves vs. have-nots twist
agree with redemption island with the worst pagonging ever... even worst of the worst season ever. Like ever!
No tribe swap, bad casting, no specific game changer twist, it's just production wanted to make Boston Rob win...
Redemption island was really entertaining and what Boston rob started and finished was really beautiful .It was a masterclass in how to control and play survivor. The players were fantastic and were of a high caliber.
On the other hand One World literally had the least interesting survivor players.They were neither entertaining nor of a high caliber . The result of who was gonna win was determined right from the very beginning .i.e after Matt got voted out, anyone with a working pair of eyes could see it .
One world was surely more boring and deserved No.1 on your padonging list :/
"Getting rid of Russell" is not a strategy in any way shape or form. Did anyone else think that Steve = hot garbage? Going after Stephanie for voting for him? Seriously?
Win or lose, you're going to see your name on that parchment?
In Thailand they should have done a swap, that would have been more interesting
You should make one with big brother moves, and please include Big Brother Canada in it!
Thailand was awful. Hated the season. The episode where Erin was voted out and Sook Jai just stood in a circle crying and bawling talking about how much they loved each other. We never knew why they actually voted Erin off. Poor Shii-Ann. Her tribe was awful to her and viewers felt terrible for her and wanted her to thrive. Glad in All-Stars she got her justice.
Can you do your top 5 least favorite seasons.
Well Boston Rob would say otherwise on the Redemption Island Pagonging.
I do think Ashley winning immunity at Final 5 made a difference. Grant would now have been in Final 4, and he probably wins the final immunity challenge which Rob barely won anyway. Grant would have then won either by booting Rob or beating him in the Final 3 (the jury hated Rob and might vote anyone but Phillip or Natalie over him).
Redemption Island (Nicaragua) is viewed as possibly the worst season by many critics. Ironically, this is the season that got me back into Survivor. I had watched the first three seasons when they aired, but grew away from the show.
I had seen a preview for the second episode of Redemption Island and thought, what the hell. I’ll watch it and instantly fell in love with the show once again and I have never looked back.
Dr. Mantis Toboggan, M.D. for me, nicaragua (21) was worse than RI, barely
@@meghanogilvie6102 - I simply put Nicaragua so people would know the difference since there were multiple seasons of Redemption Island. However, if you actually did your homework you would know where San Juan del Sur is located....Nicaragua.
Blame Redemption Island and South Pacific for all the tribe swaps they do pre-merge now
Season 22 was the first season u watched and I loved it the most recent season I watched was one world. I guess I just admire when someone comes and completely doninates the season.
Can you do a "worst tribes in SV history/most dysfuntional tribes" ir something like that but excluding ulong! Haba
My thoughts on all Pagongings.
1st season gets a pass because it was the first one and people weren't watching the show purely for strategy. Also we didn't know what to expect or what would happen.
3rd season also gets a bit of a pass for being an early season. I will always hate Brandon for not going with everyone when Kelly flipped.
5th last season that gets a pass for me. Early season and was how we still expected to people to play
8th season was painful to me because these were supposed to be all stars. At least Shiann won an immunity to throw a vote off for one tribal, but still didn't change anything
13th season wasn't so bad, actually it was good. We knew the 4 would never split up, but since it was such a huge comeback it was enjoyable to witness and actually root for them. (I know it's controversial to call this
22nd season was bad but at least Boston Rob got rid of Matt first before Pagonging, it made things a little more interesting
23rd was the worst imo. We knew what was going to happen every step of the way, at least they had a double boot episode.
24th was bad, but at least Kat got voted out before Tarzan
I think the more appropriate phrase you should have used is, "probably used a hen in the rooster house"
What's funny is I just finished watching Borneo for the first time
Pagong was named after Pagong Island, a desolate island quite close to Philippine territory. Pagong is the Filipino term for turtle.
I thinks that's what happens when u leave Boston Rob alone with a bunch of noobs.
Oh god I didn't even watch Redemption Island because there is nothing exciting about it. I knew what's going to happen by the second episode.
Time to add another season to the list... Ghost island... #navitistrong... *insert sigh sound*... *insert tear*
Does anyone else feel that redemption island was just an attempt by the producers to give Boston Rob or Russel a win?