Draconic Dissent | Precon Upgrade Guide | MTG | Commander | EDH | Budget | Cut-Rate Commander

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  • Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024

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  • @GrazzetMTG
    @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +10

    Hey folks! See the full list of swaps for the precon upgrade below and let me know what commanders you want to see from Streets of New Capenna or Battle for Baldur's gate in the comments below!
    Creatures
    Agitator Ant > Pseudodragon Familiar
    Mocking Doppelganger > Leyline Tyrant
    Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer > Thunderbreak Regent
    Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs > Verix Bladewing
    Stuffy Doll > Glorybringer
    Brash Taunter > Skarrgan Hellkite
    Curse of the Swine > Scourge of Valkas
    Aether Gale > Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy
    Angler Turtle > Wrathful Red Dragon
    Compulsive Research > Iymrith, Desert Doom
    Niv-Mizzet, Parun > Skyline Despot
    Pursued Whale > Komainu Battle Armor
    Instants
    Domineering Will > Abrade
    Reins of Power > Spit Flame
    Sorceries
    Chain Reaction > Vandalblast
    Enchantments
    Propaganda > Popular Entertainer
    Dissipation Field > Reconnaissance Mission
    Artifacts
    Temple of the False God > Bident of Thassa
    Ash Barrens > Orb of Dragonkind
    Midnight Clock > Lapis Orb of Dragonkind
    Hedron Archive > Carnelian Orb of Dragonkind
    Artificer Class > Swiftfoot Boots
    Clan Crafter > Lightning Greaves
    Will Kenrith > Whispersilk Cloak
    Planeswalkers
    Rowan Kenrith > Sarkhan the Masterless
    Lands
    Izzet Boilerworks > Frostboil Snarl
    Wandering Fumarole > Shivan Reef
    Terrain Generator > Haven of the Spirit Dragon
    Desolate Lighthouse > Bonders' Enclave
    Kher Keep > Tyrite Sanctum
    Island > Mountain
    Island > Mountain

  • @chrishogan9143
    @chrishogan9143 2 года назад +5

    I'm absolutely rattled, it's seven in the morning and Grazzet just hit me with a "Yo momma" joke. 10/10 video.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +2

      I had to include some sort of insult in there without offending the all mighty algorithm - so its good that I was able to get away with this one!

  • @TheObstalace
    @TheObstalace 2 года назад +8

    Amazing video! The upgrade choices come across really solid and coherent while staying relatively budget friendly.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +2

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it and thanks for the positive feedback!

  • @benrichardson5662
    @benrichardson5662 10 месяцев назад +2

    I dunno what it is, but this deck seems like a ton of fun. Probably because it combines dragons, treasures, draw, and forced combat shenanigans, all cool things that are even better together.
    Also whenever you cut Temple of the False God I smile to myself. It's such a trap card, it's only good in a few decks but so many people splash it in everywhere.

  • @MikeFluture
    @MikeFluture 2 года назад +5

    I really liked this list! Definitely a solid dragon tribal. I was going to play the deck as-is for a bit before considering upgrading. But when I do l, this is definitely where I'm going to go. Keep up the great work!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it and thanks for the support!

  • @heldergattoni
    @heldergattoni 2 года назад +1

    First upgrade guide for thos deck that i liked. U did a great job

  • @TristanL3
    @TristanL3 4 месяца назад

    Some great upgrade suggestions - personal highlight is komainu battle armour. Game changer 😮

  • @barrysetser3909
    @barrysetser3909 2 года назад

    What, another Grazzet Dragon deck? Outstanding! Nice to see Lindsey Lozhan show up as well

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy seemed like a good include here just to get some more dragon themed damage/burn to go with our more dragon heavy build.

  • @Pixel165
    @Pixel165 2 года назад +1

    Nice upgrades this deck needed some more dragons for sure

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Yep, the core build did feel kind of light in the dragon department.

  • @Eisenwulf666
    @Eisenwulf666 2 года назад +1

    Nice list! I often wonder why they insert random stuff in the pre-cons.. pretty cool changes

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Happy to hear you enjoyed the build! There always seem to be "random" inclusions in these precons but so long as they are staples that can be used in other decks or reprints to being the price down you won't hear me complainting!

  • @DocOmally101
    @DocOmally101 Месяц назад

    For the further upgrades what would you recommend swaping out for them?
    I have ideas but id love to hear your PoV

  • @Nik-xk2wg
    @Nik-xk2wg 2 года назад

    very good video! I got the ancient copper dragon from a booster today, still cant believe it..

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Very nice! That will be a might fine upgrade in this (and a lot of other builds to be honest)!

  • @regaleagle6533
    @regaleagle6533 2 года назад +1

    This is a cool list. I found dragon decks take some heat so I enjoy the defensive slumbering dragon. Also Awaken the Sky Tyrant, Crucible of Fire, and Cursed Mirror (coming down in price) are solid cards in their own right but provide nice little mini combos with astral dragon that can really make you pop off instead of getting like 3 sol rings or something.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
      Slumbering Dragon can certainly be considered, but can take some time to get online, especially since we have lots of goad to keep attacks off us, and Awaken the Sky Tyrant, Crucible of Fire, and Cursed Mirror are all solid incudes to get us some extra dragons and dragons synergies for us to take advantage of. Good suggestion!

  • @tylersmith5449
    @tylersmith5449 2 года назад +3

    Wizards of the Coast should honestly hire you to build the pre-cons.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Your praise is much appreciated but I can't even begin to image what the WotC staff has to go through to make these from scratch and following who knows what guidelines to make these. I image that it may make these upgrades look easy in comparison.

    • @tylersmith5449
      @tylersmith5449 2 года назад

      @@GrazzetMTG you say that, but I would argue that they probably do exactly what you do to an extent but simplified because they just throw in filler cards. I recently tried getting back into mtg and I have been purchasing pretty much every Previn that comes out and I have learned that it’s borderline impossible to build a total commander deck with just purchasing precondition because up to a certain point they lack diversity. Land base is copy and paste not to mention a portion of the deck is not ideally suited for the strategy the commander is trying to focus on. I would pay extra for your builds if precondition were made with that level of care and consideration for strategy, price and enjoyment. I truly love your videos.

    • @tylersmith5449
      @tylersmith5449 2 года назад

      Precon * damn spellcheck

    • @tylersmith5449
      @tylersmith5449 2 года назад

      @@GrazzetMTG also just want to say that I am truly excited for Party Time precon upgrade. The party mechanic was amazing and the new commander is really interesting.

  • @craigolsen1916
    @craigolsen1916 2 года назад

    This was an amazing video.

  • @Timbuktu-qt2lj
    @Timbuktu-qt2lj 2 года назад

    Awesome deck ideas, I am really looking forward to your take on Party Time.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Working on party time now (the build is done the video is being edited as we speak) - I liked how it turned out myself, so I hope you enjoy it when it drops (which will be soon).

  • @ericcarrington4936
    @ericcarrington4936 2 года назад

    Me, patiently waiting for your “exit from exile” precon upgrade. Just bought it today!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      The build for that precon has just been wrapped up and tested, so you should hopefully being seeing it soon!

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 2 года назад

    Speaking of Goad. I think that Jon Irenicus, Shattered One would be a sweet deck for a future video!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Jon Irenicus, Shattered One is certainly an interesting take on giving your opponents creatures and I can see it being a really fun build around! Good suggestion!

  • @Galchoo1
    @Galchoo1 2 года назад +1

    Well, this certainly wasn't a video that would DRAG ON or anything... hehe. Shitty puns aside, amazing video as always!
    Now as for my opinion on the next precon to be upgraded... Party rock is in the house tonight!
    Day 302 of waiting for the face reveal. Say, if you could create a planeswalker in a black-bordered set, what would it be like?

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the support as always!
      That is a good question. If I could create any walker, I think I would look into creating a mono white planeswalker with a restrictive mana cost (lets say CMC 4 with 3 or 4 white pips - to make it hard for non mono white decks to make use of it easily) that really focused on the "catch up" mechanic white seems to be focusing on to get value. Lets say their +1 draws a card if any player has more cards in hand than we do and creates a tapped treasure if a player has more lands in play then we do, their -2 creates a 0/4 defender that has "whenever an opponent player casts their second spell each turn, gain 1 life and draw a card", and their -7 ultimate creates an emblem that says "whenever you tap a plains for mana, draw a card, gain a life, and create a treasure"

  • @substructure8165
    @substructure8165 2 года назад

    amazing build!
    can't wait to try it
    but I was wondering for what would you replace the last five more expensive upgrades within the existing build you made
    Really love your channel keep up the good work 🤩👍

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Sorry for the late response! Glad you enjoyed it!
      For the Upgrades I would suggest the following:
      Verix Bladewing >>> Manaform Hellkite
      Solemn Simulacrum >>> Atsushi, the Blazing Sky
      Warmonger Hellkite >>> Scourge of the Throne
      Avatar of Slaughter >>> Ancient Silver Dragon
      Skarrgan Hellkite >>> Ancient Copper Dragon
      Hope that helps!

  • @f4ffy538
    @f4ffy538 2 года назад +1

    Great video, are you planning on showing some of your gameplay at some point or another? maybe a second channel if not this one?

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Happy to hear you enjoyed it the build!
      Sadly, there are no plans for this in the immediate future, but as the channel grows it is certainly something that can be explored. We'll just have to see.

  • @rizalinojuliano3702
    @rizalinojuliano3702 Год назад

    Thank you for this really clear guide. Played Magic a long time ago (mid 90's) and just recently got back into the game with and Exit from Exile deck. How does this deck compare with Exit from Exile? Sub added. Keep up the good work!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Welcome back to magic!
      As far as power level goes - Exit to Exile has a higher power ceiling than this precon does. I've played both and the boards that Exit to Exile can set up are absolutely insane. That said, this build is plenty powerful in its own right since there is a lot of goad and dragon support in both its colors while the commander provides card advantage and disruption.

  • @TxarlesN
    @TxarlesN 2 года назад

    Nice one. This deck looks really fun, but maybe Dragon tribal is a trap for the game plan. Baeloth Barrityl maybe is a cool alternative.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      At its heart, I think Firkraag benefits the most as a dragon tribal deck with goad, while Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer is more a voltron commander that goads the board as a payoff for making him bigger. I would love a chance to build around him personally, since he seems like a deck build.

  • @chiuka0
    @chiuka0 2 года назад

    Nice decktech!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @VZR_
    @VZR_ Год назад

    Hey, I'm just getting into MTG and this is my first deck! Would there be a way to upgrade it with a budget of only $10? Right now I'm not sure if I'd wanna invest more than that into upgrades. Thanks!

    • @gerritvandenbosch4681
      @gerritvandenbosch4681 Год назад

      Choose the most cards from his list that cost up to a total of $10, so basically grab all the cheapest ones until you hit a $10 limit.
      It's what I did, infact if you have a local store that sells singles you can set a $5-10 limit each week and continue to upgrade.😊

  • @hallorette5059
    @hallorette5059 2 года назад +1

    I think taking out Curse of the Swine is a mistake. Sometimes your opponents have creatures you can’t get through effectively or whose abilities are too annoying to have them stay around. Especially if they have tap abilities. Creatures with tap abilities are very dangerous if goad is your main countermeasure to creatures, because your opponents can always opt out of an attack they are not interested in doing. Curse of the Swine handles them, along with troublesome indestructible creatures, and the number of flyers you added to the deck makes Curse of the Swine more powerful, not less. Taking out Niv Mizzet, Parun is also a weird choice. That card draws you so many cards, spellslinger deck or not. He’s guaranteed value, because most spot removal triggers his draw ability.
    I do like the inclusion of all the extra dragons, because more flyers means more opportunities to goad.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Fair joints. Curse of Swine can be very good when dealing with hard to remove creatures to creatures that we can not force to attack due to tapping themselves down - which if your running into a lot of may make it worth adding back in over another damage based wipe.
      As far as Niv Mizzet, Parun is concerned - I will stand by my decision to remove him as , while he is certainly a powerful card, that 6 colored pips makes him difficult to cast even if we're only in 2 colors - at times making him dead in hand while we wait to draw into our 3rd source of blue/red mana. He can be a powerful source of card advantage if we can cast him and he sticks around though, so if you want to add him back in to try him out I can certainly see why.

  • @DarthXentus
    @DarthXentus 2 года назад

    The precons on my area have averaged 50, so just keep in mind regional differences in pricing when looking at your budget. Thankfully, 10 bucks extra isn't too much of you're getting this deck to upgrade and play with generally speaking. Though your personal situation may vary.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Fair point. Sadly I can't account for all regions, so my prices are based off the cheapest prices I can find online - in this case the Game Nerdz set of 4 for $140 (making them $35 each) and the CoolstuffInc Prices of $40 for each precon if bought individually.
      Hope that helps explain the prices I use.

    • @DarthXentus
      @DarthXentus 2 года назад

      @@GrazzetMTGThanks! that does explain things.

    • @DarthXentus
      @DarthXentus 2 года назад

      Just a note my comment was directed at viewers, not Grazzet.

  • @raihan3343
    @raihan3343 Год назад

    Is it better to buy the precon then upgrade it or to buy singles?

  • @jack_krauser_
    @jack_krauser_ 4 месяца назад

    Why remove the rag doll? with a blasphemous act it is 13 damage to the enchanted player. It is a very good card to defend.
    I would remove deadly kiss and avatar of massacre instead.

  • @viktorchudo3619
    @viktorchudo3619 Год назад

    Can someone advise, how to play popular entertainer? I don't get it as Firkraag already has that ability.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Popular Entertainer is a separate instance the this ability, effectively allowing any dragon that gets in for damage to goad 2 creatures (one thanks to Firkraag when they attack, and then another one when they deal combat damage thanks to Popular Entertainer).
      Hope that helps!

  • @doritodust0076
    @doritodust0076 2 года назад

    Out of curiosity, what is the cutoff for a low priced commander? Because Tasha isn't all that high, and a deck built around her could probably slap pretty hard.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      You're not the first person to ask for her and she is just on the cusp of what I would consider a "low price" commander - so you can expect to see her in a future poll in the near future (hopefully).

  • @DaBee5710
    @DaBee5710 3 месяца назад

    Would you make a 200 dollar upgrade?

  • @Fenirian87
    @Fenirian87 2 года назад

    I'm wondering, could The Ur-Dragon work with this budget build? I got it for collection and after watching this video it got me curious but not sure what to take out, any help would be awesome!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Ur-Dragon sadly would not be legal in the 99 this build do to its 5 color casting cost - so the only way to make it work would be replacing the commander and that would really change the deck drastically, making it not really worth it (in my opinion).

  • @gabrielroma6933
    @gabrielroma6933 2 года назад

    what other upgrades whould you make to get the deck around 100 bucks besides the commander? I really wanted a tribel dragon deck and I think this might be a good "in between" with a few changes

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      If we want to add some serious value with just 2 card, Utvara Hellkite and Terror of the Peaks are about $50 between them and are very solid in the build. Otherwise, some of the cards I mentioned in the upgrades for the build like Manaform Hellkite, Atsushi, the Blazing Sky, and Scourge of the Throne would all help bring up the decks power level.

  • @wqweqwet1804
    @wqweqwet1804 2 года назад

    So what card would An Ancient copper dragon replace if someone persay had an ancient copper dragon?

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Ryusei, the Falling Star may be worth cutting since it requires some setup to wipe the board while Ancient Copper Dragon's ramp's only needs it to swing in (which our haste enabling boots and sources of protection can help it do safely).
      Hope that helps!

    • @wqweqwet1804
      @wqweqwet1804 2 года назад

      @@GrazzetMTG yes it does thank you.

  • @Mr0utslder
    @Mr0utslder 2 года назад

    hey there! i'm a little new to magic and just bought this precon a few days ago and wanted to confirm the 1st line of text for Firkraag. If I attack with like 4 dragons, does that mean I get to goad 4 creatures OR is it just one creature getting goaded?

    • @GameplayerBR
      @GameplayerBR 2 года назад

      Just one, cause the text says "when one or more dragons". Doesn't matter if its one or more dragons, just one creature will be goaded.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Just one creature per opponent due to how the text is written.

  • @taylorjohnson5148
    @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

    Would kindred discovery work in place of recon mission?

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      It most certainly would! Its a bit more mana heavy (as well as a bit pricier) but it makes up for it by drawing us card as our dragons ETB and attack (they don't even have to deal damage) - making it a great addition for this dragon tribal build!

    • @taylorjohnson5148
      @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

      @@GrazzetMTG I find them all similar but i have the mission card from my 40k deck, I got a bident of thassa from a friend and another precon I got, and then I bought kindred discovery for another deck that doesn't have as many tribal stuff as I though it did, so I think it'll work better in this with all the dragons

  • @supersalty_9459
    @supersalty_9459 2 года назад +1

    *throws my wallet* take whatever its in there and give me the best upgrades lolz xD great video!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Hey, all that's in here is a library card! And its expired!
      But seriously, happy to hear you enjoyed the build!

  • @Sdizzle7
    @Sdizzle7 2 года назад

    this deck feels like it has no identity, it wants to be dragon tribal, but at the same time, its not.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Fair, at its core it more of a Goad deck with dragons on it - but it has enough dragons to make it feel like a Dragon tribal deck, making it a interesting inbetween.

  • @rizalinojuliano3702
    @rizalinojuliano3702 Год назад

    Is this a bad deck? I've seen another RUclipsrvsay this was the absolute worst precin commander deck of 2023

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      This decks not bad by any means - though its ceiling is not quite as high as some of the other decks that dropped with Baldur's Gate.

  • @Alpha-Eridani
    @Alpha-Eridani 2 года назад +4

    is this a computer generated voice? it's incredibly hard to listen to

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад +1

      Nope, that is me.... Sorry if my cadence when recording is not to your liking.

    • @RiverJensen
      @RiverJensen 9 месяцев назад

      Grazzets voice is gorgeous, back off

    • @timpettersson4070
      @timpettersson4070 9 месяцев назад

      @@GrazzetMTGhaha I love your voice don't listen to haters💀

    • @zauvimoo
      @zauvimoo 9 месяцев назад

      You have an amazing voice ​@@GrazzetMTGdon't let this guy get you down fr there's ppl out there who'd kill for a voice like yours

  • @akira-qr4qm
    @akira-qr4qm 2 года назад

    This deck is so bad

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  2 года назад

      Sorry to hear you think that. What did you not like about it?

  • @b_olson542
    @b_olson542 Год назад

    Hey @GrazzetMTG. I am so pleased with your deck lists that I am making you an honorary NPC in my D&D campaign. The card art in your honor will be Dockside Extortionist. My players won't get it, but I will, and you are awesome.