AWD Showdown! Does The New 2021 Nissan Rogue Outgun The Mazda CX-5 In The TFL Slip Test?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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In this video, Tommy tests the 2021 Nissan Rogue SL AWD against the 2021 Mazda CX-5 Signature AWD. Both take a different approach in terms of powertrains, but which one performs better in the TFL slip test? Only one way to find out!
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Isn't Off-road mode on the Mazda an electronic diff lock? On all Mazda AWDs
Can you try a BMW X1 or X3 on the rollers?
Can you guys do a 1st gen CR-V and Rav4. Be a nice budget episode. If you haven't already.
Finally someone who is actually using and testing the off road mode on the new CX-5 that they put in. BTW, that off road mode can also be enabled on the 2017-2019 model bu disabling Traction Control, it's like a hidden mode when TC is disabled.
my 2016 shuts the rears off when i use that button.
Looks like the Mazda slid off the rollers before it caught traction on the sides.
Mazda may have slid to the side in the last test to get it off the rollers but that’s because the rear wheel with traction had some power...the Rogue didn’t have any power on that rear wheel at all in the last test!
I like Mazdas better but I had the same impression. It seems it caught traction on the sides
Sure did
@@ztekz You don't need any traction from the rear axle when you steering sideways on the front rollers.
My 74 year old mother just bought a 2021 Rogue which is now her second Rogue. I couldn't talk her into even considering anything else. I'm glad I wasn't able to because after going with her to test drive and do a deal on the car I was sold. Very impressive what Nissan has packed into the vehicle, nicely finished inside and out as well. I highly recommend this car.
My 2017 CX-5 Grand Touring AWD has been the best vehicle I've ever owned. (My 2017 looks identical to the '21 model) Nearly 4 years and over 40k miles and no issues.
17 Grand select here. Mine has been flawless as well for 70k and I tow an 1800lb trailer quite frequently on ATV trips. The little 2.4l struggles a bit through the mtns with that extra weight but the suspension handles it just fine.
Yes because you have deep pockets and can afford a more expensive vehicle, how about us blue collar workers that work for a living, that Rogue is very capable for less
@@Ybshy Then buy slightly used.
@@ROBMACDUI man f$&! That s$&?! I’ll put miles on a new vehicle
@@Ybshy And when that Jatco transmission fails out of warranty and you are stuck paying for a new one that initial savings over the Mazda will go up in smoke.
Second here, that Nissan rogue is so impressive but the Mazda looks better in details.
The Mazda is only $1000 more yet has a turbo making nearly 70 more hp (50 on 87 octane) and 140 more lbs of tq on 91+ octane (130 on 87). That to me is the end of the story. Nighty night Rogue.
First Here, and will say I would take the Mazda any day over any modern-day Nissan...
yea but irl nissan will far outsell mazda
@@JogBird I mean at least in the US ofc but in my country, you rarely see the Rogue on the road and ton of CX-5s’.
@@JogBird Higher Volume sales never equated to a better vehicle. Nissan quality today is crap. Just because they having higher overall sales numbers than Brands like Subaru, Mazda, Volvo and the like here in the US, doesn’t make it better, and then one has to dissect sales to fleet accounts too to get a clearer picture of who’s actually buying Nissans, i.e. rental companies for fleet deals, etc...
I’ve had both and the Mazda is a much much much better overall vehicle. The ride, handling and on road silent interior outperforms the Nissan. Plus the Nissan has the dreaded cvt.
I have a CX9 and my wife a cx5 she raves over hear car and its been 4 years since she bought it. LOL
@@saliston My dad had a 2009 Mazda CX-9 and he loved it (along with myself). My next car will probably be a Mazda once my current car quits! I live in Iowa too! Looking at mainly the Mazda 3 hatchback, cx-30 or cx-5! I'll probably go with the Mazda 3 hatch as I love that design the best!
Nissan went down the toilet when Renault took over. Sad. Mazda over Nissan any day.
Nothing wrong with the modern cvt, it's not 2005.
I seriously doubt you’ve had the brand new rouge and the brand new CX-5 unless you get a new car every 2 months. I’ve driven both the new and the old rouge and the new one is way way better.
Just a suggestion. Maybe put a static platform under the wheel not on rollers, so the vehicle can’t crab it’s way across the rollers and gain traction on the roller frame.
Tommy,take those cars out in the snow,spin some donuts lets see how they really handle. Happy Trails.
Mazda 🙌🏼
I was amazed by Mazda off-road capabilities both in summer on a stip hill but also in the snow off-road
The TFL Slip Tests are my favourite videos.
I keep being pleasantly surprised by the CX5. At the same time, I feel like I am the only one. Not sure people have any idea this car is as good as it is.
My wife has a 2015 and just loves it. Shes always talking about how it drives.
My dad owns a 2019 Signature CX5. It's amazing!
@@saliston Our 2016 is pretty awesome, too
My 2016 is pretty awesome. I never thought about owning a Mazda until I did research for a smaller suv and tested the cx5. I was sold on it almost immediately.
I just got a 2021 CX-5 touring with a sv package and I LOVE IT!!! Mazda wasn’t even on my radar until my husband suggested I look at it. I had no idea what I could get for the money and I got a lot. I sacrificed a few inches in room all around from my last car but I don’t miss it. And it’s so fun to drive. So happy I went with a Mazda!
I actually love the exterior look of the new Rogue
The Mazda walked over to the edge of the rollers on the last test and gripped the roller frame work. I think they both failed the last test in reality.
Totally agree. The Mazda hit the inside of the roller. Would not have made it off otherwise.
Totally agree, it is clear that Mazda walked over the roller edge at leas with the front left wheel.
@@edd6577 It would get out but only in offroad mode. It just takes some time.
I disagree but youre entitled to your opinion
@@saliston Please indicate who are you talking to.
Oh that Mazda looks so good...
They look so similar, I find it hilarious.
I do like that Mazda hood and grill though. If it had a 6 spd manual, I'd be in love.
I could feel my hair growing in nicely during this video 👍😉
Too bad it was ass hair.
Tommy, I'm sorry but the Mazda DID NOT "make it off" on the final test; if you look closely, the vehicle slipped onto the right lip(s) of the roller equipment and "caught the lip" ... it DID NOT pass the test.
It did not pass it here but it can do it. Hard task but it does it in offroad mode.
perhaps ... but in any case the Nissan appears to be all-around more capable 😊
@@woxie4990 Not perhaps but for sure, I was testing it 🙂
All of the issues these AWD systems have with traction could be simply solved with a limited slip on the rear.
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Not only is that expensive but it isn’t really necessary, for the average person who only uses there AWD system for snow like 11 days a year. Pretty much every new AWD vehicle does fine in light to moderate snow so it’d be kinda redundant
I’ve driven the cx-5 in the snow on hills and they never got stuck. This test is too extreme
Having Ltd slip rear diff will cost more money! Just get a dude to push your rear end no cost at all!
LSDs are not that complicated. Let it be more money. and 50% more capable.
Aloha I'm a Mazda product specialist . Id love to see these in real life implementation cause Mazda uses a predictive AWD that can detect changing road conditions and apply torque as needed based on situation.
...I'm a former TOYOTA/LEXUS owner who switched to MAZDA because of it's simplicity and reliability. To be honest with you I don't see much difference in owning MAZDAS as opposed to TOYOTAS : )
They all do that, including the Nissan.
Suggestion: you should let the wheels spin longer than you do, maybe for a set time, same for all vehicles. Something like 30 seconds should do it. Sometimes, it takes a while for the system to figure it out. On many tests, I get the impression the vehicle is just about to get out of the rollers, after spinning, but then you say: "nope, it can't do it"...!
In the real world, letting your tires spin makes it worse. He is testing the cars properly. Spinning for 30 seconds would be foolish.
Tommy, your ad was interrupted by another ad, double dipping much?
Looks like the Mazda slipped to the side of the rollers when it pulled it self of the ramps during that last test, so I would be so sure that it passed the three wheel slip test.
That was my perception as well. I'm surprised there was no retest, as in all such suspect occurrences in the past.
CX-5 can do that in offroad mode. Not easily but it can.
from that I'd say the nissan is a pretty balanced and refined car.
Videos like this make the auto manufacturers step up their game...great video..👍
I hope so, I seen some more expensive torque vectoring AWDs perform much slower then cheaper break traction systems
These slip tests are great. Please do a slip test of the XC90.
XC90 passes it with no problems.
Some Audis too. Haven't seen any really modern AWD Station Wagons being tested
Why didn’t y’all slip test the Bronco sport? If so publish it
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I wish but it is not available in Europe.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i'm particularly interested in the latest generation XC90 (2016+). in 2018 I believe they updated software that affected the AWD, so that would be an interesting comparison.
I love these videos! Both of these vehicles AWD would be great for %99 of people. Rogue is looking better than before.
I agree with you. I think it needs electrification to be perfect.
I would say both vehicles' AWD systems would be great 99% of the "time", but it's that 1% when you are stuck in the Nissan and not in the Mazda that can make a big difference. Being stuck sucks.
The Mazda is only $1000 more yet has a turbo making nearly 70 more hp and 140 more lbs of tq on 91+ octane. That to me is the end of the story. Nighty night Rogue.
@@Chrisnuzzo76 most people buying cars don’t even know what a cvt is let alone care about so much more horsepower. Price and looks put butt’s in seats. The Mazda looks ugly as hell.
@@Chrisnuzzo76 and the turbo's dont last just like the New Rogue getting rid of the reliable 2.5 and going to a smaller turbo motor, they dont last the only place they do last is on Diesels
Can we get the actual off road test again, you guys are like the only ones that do it
If they or Driving Sports TV don't test it, it's really hard to get any information on how crossovers perform off-pavement.
When you gonna review the 2021 mazda 3 turbo?
You guys need to try traction control off for the failed tests
You're living my life!!!! Little Alex cameraman trying to push stuck vehicles. I swear I heard him say " I DIDNT SIGN UP 4 THIIS". NOW, the secret of getting the best acceleration in the CX's. OFF-ROAD mode and brake torque.
I did research on the Mazda AWD system it uses cameras to detect when it will need AWD it’s not constantly on that’s why it did less of a better job but that’s how you get better gas mileage that way and The off-road button is tuned for exactly this and offering
Where did you read that? Don’t get that impression at all when my rear and front camera have a good amount of mud on them while on some very muddy back roads. To be far I always turn off traction control.
I’m not bias toward either of these two, but folks are CLEARLY not paying attention by claiming the Mazda won. Both did about equally well until the 3 wheel slip test where the Nissan only got stuck once and needed no other mode to exit the 3rd test. The Mazda was stuck and only made it out because he pushed the off road button on the 3rd test, and then it slid off the rollers on the last test. Had it not slid off the rollers, it would have needed a push too. So technically the Mazda was stuck twice and needed a special off road mode and to slide off the rollers to exit the 3 wheel slip tests. Go back and watch the video and you will see.
Exactly 💯
I LOVE my 2021 Nissan Rogue Platinum!
Great video! I think it has to do CVT vs good ol 6 sad Automatic Transmission.
Not impressed with the mazda. It slid sidweways and came off the rollers. I have a 2015 Nissan Rouge with Sport Mode Awd select. I have never been stuck once. I have actually pulled people out in snow with mine. Rogue is a better defined SUV and has a more flawssy look. I have had many types of cars and SUVs, the all time fav would be the 2011 Mitsubishi Outland. That wss one amazing SUV all weather all surfaces. Sand, snow ice, rain it always went. I used mine to yank my buddy out of a snow and ice covered street. He was driving his F450 Dually and got stuck. 2 hooks 2 straps got him out in 5 minsand no major strain to my Outlander. Took it off road many times and had no issues at all.
I don’t care for either, but I’d take a traditional transmission over a CVT any day. Just saying 🤷🏾♂️
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Tommy, a Rogue and an AWD test all in one video? I think I'm in heaven 😍
Have you done a Jeep Grand Cherokee yet? I'd be interested in seeing how well that does.
Me too!
grand cherokee would be an overkill for such test, I mean it's the Wrangler's big bro.
Test the Acura Rdx sh-awd
Anything with sh-awd!
The 2016-2017 MDX won't pass the single rear wheel on the ground .
Although I’m liking the new Rogue and it did well on the slippage test, and Mazda did slightly better
Did the Mazda slip of the roller at the end?
Looked like it did
I was about 2 say the same thing. The mazda went sideways and got traction from the side
Here it slipped off but CX-5 can do that in offroad mode. It is struggling a little though.
I really like both of these cars, however my wife fell in love with the nissan sl premium, so thats what we bought. Great video.
Tommy, this was great. I’d love to see the same, but with the Sprinter and Transit AWD vans!!
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Exactly the kind of content I was looking for. Great video thanks
I think their AWD mechanism is quite similar. The reason why CX-5 got passed for the last test is based on the more powerful torque engine. Thank you for this great test!
Negative. The Mazda’s AWD system is programmed to lock the wheels that are spinning so that power can be sent to the wheels with traction when you put it in the off road mode.
Price tags in this class are out of control!
I have learned since this was made that Mazda's "off-road" mode is actually sends power to all four wheels exactly like Subaru does. When he tried in normal mode, it primarily powers the front wheels for better gas mileage and barely does anything with the rear wheels. So the equivalent is like a FWD car in normal mode, and like a Subaru in off-road mode. Why it did better once it was turned on. Now knowing this from Mazda it makes perfect sense.
You should turn off traction control if your trying to get a vehicle unstuck. I remember a video you did a while back with a Subaru where you couldn’t make it up a snow covered road with traction control on, but it made it up no problem with traction control off.
Found it interesting the Mazda turn on the headlights as soon as it slipped.
If the car is neutral or parked the led stay off until u hit the gas they will turn on
I really really like these slip test videos you and your dad have been doing. Really great stuff. You can see how the car is thinking to get itself “unstuck” great job. Maybe do some 4x4 test with this if possible. Would be cool to see like a Jeep Wrangler vs a FJ cruiser for example
My guess is that, for overall driveability and performance in most conditions, the traction control system must not grab the brakes too hard when slipping. Otherwise, you may lose some forward momentum when accellerating on a slippery surface. Therefore, it makes sense for a car not to make it out of a 3-wheel slip test, without engaging som kind of "mode".
I'm the lucky one for 2021 CX-5 and thank you for making this video, thumbs up
Tommy, Mazda actually failed the 3wheel stuck test. Run the video in 1/2 speed and you will see the vehicle drifted until catching traction on the roller frame.
It catched the frame but in offroad mode it can pass it anyway.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers , I would rather see the test done properly. Do you have a RUclips chnl showing what you claim?
@@awesomexistence Yes I have, you can CX-5 test there 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I viewed your test which is pretty well done. Mazda struggled (3:00 mark) but made it. Style for testing is done well with the only difference with TFL being TFL has a deeper-wider set of rollers which may give a slight bit more difficulty to the test. I’ll check out some of your other tests. Thanks
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great job as always Tommy.....love this segment....Mazda might have worked hard but it made it off compared to Nissan. I think you should create a list of results of this slip test. If I was shopping for a AWD SUV, I would LOVE to consult that list!!!
I had to listen to it again. That Nissan rogue is $38k, as equipped!?! That Mazda is waaaaaaay better.
Except the nissan is likely going to have 5k off the msrp right off the bat. Both of these cars are ridiculously overpriced. Mazda doesn’t do incentives so naturally they’ll move less product.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 You are correct about Nissan incentives, but for $35-40k, I'll choose a luxurious, quick, and fun to drive compact CUV with a reliable transmission every day.
@@FoYo1005 I don’t disagree. Both are fantastic offerings for both manufacturers. I do agree the traditional automatic will be more reliable in the long run as well. Cheers
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I want to agree that both vehicles are good. I once rented a low spec Nissan Rogue and came away impressed at its utility and feel. I like it way better than comparable Subarus at the time.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 The mazda will maintain its resale value. The Nissan will be half hte price in a year.
Mazda + clutch LSD at the rear and helical in the front for me. ;)
I'm curious on how a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport would do?
Mazda makes the best AWD system in the world. As of 2016, even better than Subaru.
Pretty sure the CX-5 slid off the side of the rollers on the last test and gained traction on the side plates. IMO the performance was the same between both vehicles.
How about the Mitsubishi Outlander GT tested against them? Nissan, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota and Mitsubishi?
Outlander GT cannot pass the last test, Rav4 cannot pass it to. Eclipse Cross did it, Subaru Forester and Outback also did it.
I’m wanting to get that Mazda
Good test.... thanks. It seems you were favoring the mazda. Should have given the nissan a chance on the 3 wheel roller test.
If the engineer says the offroad mode makes a big difference, and if the vehicle can detect which wheels are slipping....why not just engineer that mode to kick in automatically?
This videos are my fav.good job Tommy 👍🏼👍🏼
my nissan rogue does way better with its AWD when the traction control is turned off, and not in eco mode. I think most SUVs and crossovers have that button/feature, you should include that on the roller tests Tommy!🤔
At least with the Mazda it didn’t get stuck! If you want to get stuck get the Rogue!
be more consistent on the gas give it a chance jesus
I think you should put the Nissan back on the roller for that last test again as you drove the Mazda harder and longer giving it more chance.
my Rogue is a 2017, and at 6'7" I was sorry to give up a inch of headroom over my Nissan Cube, but they were not selling those anymore,,, Hope they kept some headroom and legroom, it's gotten to a point where just my height rules out many vehicles.
6'5" here. Get the Kia Soul Turbo. Kind of quick with ample headroom. Avoid the sunroof as you loose headroom. FWD only is a bit of a letdown, just get some good winter tyres.
@@talltomtube in the RGV part of Texas no need for snow or winter tires, often daytime temps are 70-80F and snow is a 100 year event where everything shuts down. On the plus side, I grew my first pineapple last year (takes 4 years)
I own a 2014 cx5 gt and so far so good! Love the car!!
TFL and your old man had been synonymous with off road testing for a long time but this new generational tester is ridiculous. Take it to your old man's off road testing grounds already! Nothing can replace the real rubber meets the dirt mud and snow testing on offroading performance in the field. That's where the dirt, mud and snow actually fill the threads. You can't possibly reliably simulate the conditions with dry clean tires on shiny metals.
Great Video! and smart comparison. The Canadians have long praised mazda for doing well in snow and ice and arguably second only to subaru up there (and they would know) so I suspected the mazda would do well here. the new rogue is certainly a contender and have vastly improved.
Subaru’s are definitely not the best anymore. The cvt transmission limits capability. Mazda could easily outperform a Subaru.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 but as far as full-time AWD capability Subaru has that down to a science.
@@twillias4714 on manual transmission and older models with a real limited slip differential and a traditional automatic - absolutely agree. On the new models with cvt transmissions -not so much. The initial torque limitations on the cvt transmissions severely impact off road ability in certain situations. Example? A dirt and gravel road with an uneven surface at a steep grade. In fact, TFL has a video that proves this.
Sorry guy... You need to look at the last slip Mazda footage again... The Mazda slipped off the rollers and its tires came into contact with the frame of the slip device which is why it gained traction. Poor judgement there.
Yes, it actually slipped off the rollers but I can confirm it can pass the last test in offroad mode.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I agree that it made it on the off road mode, but again, it only did so by skipping off the rollers. Watch it again.
@@richardchileshe9910 Here it skipped of the rollers but not in my test which I did last year. It can do it, just a little bit of struggling.
Please do the nissan armada on the slip test!!
please test the jeep cherokee trailhawk
I take the Mazda all the time. When you get stuck and need a push, the look of the car will get people to you. I’m serious
Hope you can do a slip test on 21’ Toyota Sienna AWD soon? Because i am want to see how good is that AWD system work before i make my decision on FWD or AWD thanks in advance
The Nissan Rogue did exceptionally well with less HP, I wonder what kind of fuel economy ratings the Mazda have with the turbo and extra hp? I would rather save money on gas and have a nicer vehicle with the Nissan Rogue, IMO.
We have both exact vehicles in the family the Mazda is superior.
I love the new Rogue interior and exterior.
Too bad that they are too fragile.
Congrats on reaching 1 million subs.... the mazda cx5 performed better than the nissan rogue...Nice video
I went from a 2010 Rogue to a 2021 Rogue and man they really did something different this time, mine is also AWD since I live in Illinois and need it for the snow. My 2010 was decent in the snow and I can't wait to see how the 2021 does.
Review the Nissan against the new outlander with their s-awc. Both share power trains so it’s be great to see how the awd system is tuned
Thank you for these videos! Would love to have seen the traction control/ VDC turned off for the Nissan to see how much it made a difference. When I know I'm going to be in a slippery situation like getting over a snowbank, I turn off VDC so the car doesn't cut back as much power. Then I reengage for normal driving. You did turn it off once on the Mazda but not the Nissan.
Cue the “bUt NiSsAN hAs a CvT” comments.
Well these channels attract car enthusiasts. Not your average vanilla car buyer who doesn't mind a CVT.
I agree! Great test and a good demo of what AWD can and can't do. Might as well call those cars 3WD.
So, the Toyota Camry is the best AWD then?
its more down to power. the camry has more thus it can put down more in that wheel that is on the ground even with more going to the front. The above two dont put down as much power in the rear to be able to push themselves out. If the engine were producing more power it would be a different story.
I hope you can make slip test with 2021 nissan rogue and toyota rav4. Thanks.
Ii have Michelin m&s rated tires on my 2013 CX5 and they can crawl out of anything .saves me a lot of shoveling in the winter.
Did you do this test on Bronco Sport?
Hey Tommy, do you have any documentation where you keep track of how the vehicles do? Maybe even a Rogue split test 3 seconds to move... or failed etc. that type of documentation, i'd love to look at it!
Amazing to see that in 2021 manufacturers still can't put their AWD systems to work as good as diff lockers....check the FCA Toro, for sale in south america, can't handle a bit of sand.
Wheels on Mazda went off rollers in last test.
which in this class do you believe is the best on this test?
No question the Mazda did better.
I would actually be really curious to see how that new TRX you guys got does in a test like this. With the new auto 4x4 systems rolling out I'd be curious to see how quickly they react to these situations.
Nice vid!
What are the rollers? Are "car wheel rollers" something you can just buy? Would like to test my GT-R. lol
As a major Nissan fan, I REALLY wish they'd quit putting damn CVTs in everything...
I was going to watch this in its entirety, but this music makes me want to see if injecting bleach would cure Covid-19.
Oh dear, the music almost turned you into a rabid idiot like the Orange blob trumpo.
TFL,
Music is great. Doesn't always have to be heavy metal rock 'n roll. Don't listen to boomers.
Hey guys.. Why you dont do a slip test for the 2021 Toyota Venza. You did a review on that but no slip test! Did toyota paid you not to film a slip test?
Congrats Mazda, 2021 and some cars will still get stuck.
Did you look at the cameras after.?. The Mazda Slid to the side of the rollers to catch and go forward in reverse. Still like my Rogue over the cx5.
Yes clearly that Rogue got stuck!