He's RIGHT! Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Matches 100% my decades of experience. Its the application that matters NOT the room. I've set up monster speakers in small rooms, and tiny bookshelf monitors in my big room, nothing ever matched the mythical inter web nonsense it was all just like Eric says here. The more I watch the more I want a set of Moabs- because this guy GETS IT!
I’m very glad you brought this topic up, Eric. I’ve thought the same thing. I bought a pair of Pendragons from you about a year ago now, and still absolutely love them! If I were to upgrade, it’d just end up being another pair of Tektons. Anyway, many of my friends saw them when I first bought em and said that they looked much too big for the room. To that, I’ll just sit em down, put on a record of their choosing, and see the look of awe on their face, quickly realizing they’re not too large for the room by any means.
I agree Eric. On a related note to this room overload stuff. Oftentimes I notice that all too many audio enthusiasts will not utilize EQ. An audio system in a residential sized space, benefits enormously by utilizing EQ within the modal region... below the transition frequency. So between approx 20hz-300hz or so. Big resonant peaks of energy oftentimes 10dB or more, plague this frequency range and bloat and blur bass detail. Ideally using a parametric EQ and via measurement, just tame the two or three most prominent peaks... and you're golden. Automated room EQ can work as well, but can be a problem when it begins altering the frequency response above the transition frequency, that region cannot be corrected by EQ. 1.) Speaker placement 2.) Listener position 3.) Subtle parametric EQ via measurement
@Marten Dekker I missed this. I'm not sure what you mean by perfect, but if they deteriorate the sonics then utilize an EQ tool/approach with greater transparency. Also, only EQ down in the minimum phase region, EQ'ing above that point doesn't work.
I'm more of the school of thought that UNTREATED rooms cause the issue. I've seen B&W N805 "overwhelm" a a tiny room. Rather, the room was like a closet and it had no sound absorbing material. It was an echo chamber.
Eric some speakers will have too much bass in a smaller room , partly because the speakers will have to be placed closer to the walls. They are balanced for large room. I do agree that just because a speaker is over six feet tall, 300 lbs and can do 125 dB doesn't mean it won't sound good in a medium or smallish room.
Eric, this was something that needed to be said. As I'm working on building out my own dedicated room, I found myself saying "man I wish it was bigger so I could put in some Moabs or Ufbehrts." I said that because I had bought into the lie (usually from "experienced" reviewers), that only a huge n high listening space would let the speakers breath or do them justice. I wanted them so bad that my compromise was that if maybe I turned them down my room could "tolerate" these massive speakers so I could enjoy a live performance sense of scale. Ur explanation of sound and proper room treatments has put me at ease to not compromise based on the size of my room. Also, this myth needs to be canned because it probably scares the daylights out of your competition. What I mean is, there are a lot of speaker choices out there in the size range of say the Enzo/Lore and downward. How many choices though (for normal people), are in the Moab/Ufbehrt category? Very few; that's how many. Now find those close in price to your products that can deliver even a portion of your sound. Now you here crickets. Great way to downplay these amazing bargains is to say "well ya, but they will completely overload most rooms" Bull____! Keep the videos coming sir. In the immortal words of Wayne, of Wayne n Garth. "One day you will be mine, oh yes." Oh, any wisdom on your new 4x10 subwoofer? Good heavens! You see, we've also been told that subwoofers are great for movies, but for audiophiles, it should start with the letters JL and have 4 inches of excursion and 2000 watts of power. Some people assume your subs are a side hobby, but not for serious listeners. Really?? Thanks again, Gary
I couldn’t agree more with Eric. My Double Impact SE just “look” large in my room but after setting them up right they just disappear and the soundstage is amazing.
@@webberron I got standard DI's that I upgraded (built an external one due to size of capacitors) the crossovers and rewired that would make you sell your SE's....no BS. They're spectacular. And I dont use that word to describe anything
I suspect that the biggest problem comes from smaller speakers in a big room than a big speaker in a small room. I have 3 pairs of speakers in 2 rooms, a decent sized living room/dining room and a converted bedroom. The bookshelf Focals only work in the bedroom. I have not tried to put the medium Focal floor standers or my big Legacy floor standers into the bedroom, though I am sure the medium ones would work. The better system is also in the living room, and it makes sense to have it matched up to the bigger speakers. I alternate between the 2 pairs since they have different strengths.
I agree. Another component is a larger speaker may be able to put out enough spl to overload the ears themselves. Everyone has a different level as to how much spl they can handle.
I had a pair of Pendragons & definitely had room overload. My room is about 12' x 12.5' and carpeted with some small furnishings. The bass just took over completely, and I've had many other speakers in the room with no problem. The only other speaker that I had the same overload problem with was some Monitor Audio towers, not sure what model since it was years ago & I change gear often. That said, I'd try other Tekton speakers, just smaller with front firing ports.
Yeah, you're totally right, because: Physics! Eric just wants to upsell people because it's all about the $$$. He'll say literally anything. Sad really.
As I have said in other forums, the room is the most important component in an audio system. Bad room = bad sound no matter how little or how much is spent on speakers/electronics.
Please describe how the Moab and the Encore differ. Your design goals, their sound, etc. Thank you! edit: Over a month later and no answer. Didn’t give an answer on a phone call either.
That is sad. Like pathetic sad. There are tons of people under his videos with genuine questions about not being able to find data, even basic info, and he just says "Call me" - IF they even get a reply in the comments. Most of the questions get no reply, and it is not like he has many comments under these videos.... Have you gotten him by phone yet?
Very interesting perspective. It goes against what so many audiophiles say but perhaps its true? Eric would you say though that a bigger spends better lends itself to a more open airy and grander sound? Especially with big speakers? I want to put ulfberhts in my bed room lol.
Reflecting 25 - 40 hz waves double up quicker in a smaller room and some call this room gain 'overload'. You can adjust the gain on a sub to fit the room but here's no gain on the woofers of a Moab. Picture a golf ball landing in the center of a 100 yard square pool, watch the single wave it created travel out into decay. Drop a marble into a 2 foot square pool. Those waves hitting themselves over and over in the small pool are overload. Those are extreme examples, but you get the idea. My JBL 590's sound great in my large room, in a smaller room they sound like 4 subs were added
Thks for the tip Eric as I was pondering whether the Moab wd overpower my small listening room. Request: Could you use a better mic as it's pretty difficult to hear you clearly
Great video, Eric, I look forward to many more to come in the future. Sorry if this is off-topic but I'd really love to see one about the OB Sigma speakers. From what I've read about them, they sound like my ideal speaker being such a fan of open baffle designs. The Sigmas even get the nod for "wife acceptance factor", so I'm REALLY interested in getting a pair.. She actually thought they looked sexy and I totally agree with her!
We need speakers designed to be be placed near front and side walls! No rear ports! A sealed version of Impact monitors that can do double duty for home theater (L/C/R) or music in smaller rooms where nearby wall boundaries limit speaker choices. Take advantage of wall reinforcement to compensate for the lack of ports.
Why no ports?! Like "room overload" vented cabinets are positively the most misunderstood concept in loudsepaker design. I'm reluctant to do a video because I don't want to disclose information on the topic. Please call me to discuss. And yes, I am certainly willing to make you sealed cabinets.
Seriously? Eric invented something nobody else ever has, but it is so easy to give away the secret with just a few words, or gawd forbid A Measurement? It could only be something nobody except a supergenius would recognize as the source of the "magic".... I call BS, Eric. And an even larger chunk of the world now knows you are a snake oil seller who doesn't want published measurements, you just wanna get people one-on-one with no witnesses.
Just would like to ask. Do big speakers need more distance from walls compared with smaller ones? The so called space to breathe. Or it’s all the same because of frequencies and not volumes we play at.
I am a vintage audiophile. (60 years) I will test for standing waves in a 'live' room. Clapping does fine. Then I put some sort of sound absorbing material (or furniture, bookshelves, etc) on the X and Y horizontal axis of the speaker(s) itself. The decay of mid/high frequencies should become very fast. Carpeting helps. Basically, and as simply as possible it get the 'rattle' out of the room. Then things even out. This is not an in depth acoustic analysis. Just shooting from the hip.
Surely large speakers in small rooms will mean you can't get far enough away from them to allow the sound from the drivers to integrate? Also if you are close to speakers, room reflections contribute less to what you hear, you are near field, which is a different experience...and then if you've got large speakers in a small space, getting the best spacing for stereo imaging field becomes more difficult....
I agree after 50 years of audio experience that room overload is a myth, also Troels Gravesen was surprised that his best and biggest 4way with 18 inch bass played over room issues , my bass tower with 6 bass speakers of 12 inch each side was the solution for bass issues in small room! Even a 18 inch on ground and an 18 inch above is a solution , big cone surfaces move much more air without linear cone distortion , it sounds effortless like a big filarmonic orchestra , it never shouts , but big effortless power that gives goose bumps
So let me ask you this question please...If I have an apartment with floor to ceiling windows, let's say it's not square but sort of a crazy rectangle or triangle, would the speakers he's holding, the moabs or some other large speaker would they work great, or would I have to do a lot of room treatments, or just decide on a regular 1,500 square ft room that the majority of apartments have?
I've heard that the bass needs space to propagate (since the sound waves are bigger) which makes it hard to get good bass in a small room. Is this a myth, as well?
Yes it's a myth as well; - large rooms - small rooms - car audio - In-Ear headphones They all deal with the long wavelengths just fine. In reality, there are distinct advantages to smaller acoustic spaces whereby the reciprocal gains give back below the room's first/fundamental mode (i.e., "pressure vessel gain", or "room gain").
@@FOH3663 I had a really nice system installed in a car once with sperate subwoofers. It never produced deep bass until I rolled the windows down. The difference was quite dramatic.
@@FOH3663 Sure, but depending on what system reproduce those drivers, bass extension differs, thus room or any closed place size is important. To took "loud" example (pun intended), compare bass reproduced by car system drivers with bass reproduced by big a..s subwoofers which are so big, it has to be put in the back. Difference is so huge that you should be bass maniac to enjoy latter case. But put the same subwoofer in open area and it will still be powerful but not fatiguing.
You heard right. It is why car speakers are so small. And usually car systems are sized and matched to the space. But Tekton turns around and says to go ahead and put those giant speakers in any size of room.... They are peddling BS and just want to upsell you as they fleece you.
So if and when I move to Chicago, where they have thousands of apartments, and if I choose one that has those floor to ceiling windows....that's going to be a challenge to find the right speakers? Please let me know.
Hi. I have a different question (I know this video is old, and that you might not reply, and that is ok 😊). I just wonder what the benefit of having a bass driver on top and on in the bottom is, compared to two at the bottom (like the double impact)? Btw: I have never experienced a speaker to be too big either. 😊
not sure what overload means (it’s quite vague) but you can overload your body w too high of SPL dB - in smaller rooms especially. huge speakers like this would be ridiculous in a smaller room bc seriously 90 dB @ 3 meters for longer than 5 min is really fucking loud and easily smaller less eccentric speakers are well equipped to get that loud actually or more.
It often happens that someone sets up a set of speakers and finds the bass is boomy, muddy, and overwhelming. More often than not this is worse with bigger speakers with better bass, and less of a problem with tiny speakers with weak bass. Room overload is the often repeated mythical reason given for this. As Eric explains it is unfounded. Something I've known for years but nice to hear coming from a speaker designer for a change. Room overload is nonsense. As Eric says if it was a real thing then there would be no good car audio at all. Even the smallest room in a house is huge compared to a car, yet audiophools blame the small room when their poor setups sound bad. Wrong. Listen to Eric. Its the application, not the room, and the details of the room, not its size, that matters.
@@charlesmiller6281What Eric doesn't point out is that car audio speakers are tiny. So yes, room overload is a thing and it is caused by overlarge bass capacity in too small a space - it is a ratio - but then he goes on to recommend too-big unnecessarily expensive speakers to his audience - even for small rooms! He is not even a slick flim-flam guy. I'm thinking he is a few cards short of a full deck.
Great speakers, hobby-shop-like customer experience. Bought the Tekton Brilliance. The good: Great sounding speakers - you hear the soloist right in your room, good sound staging. The Bad: - the speakers are very intrusive into your living/listening room, chunky, no-beauty-queen - had a terrible customer experience: credit card charged May 4th, the speakers shipped 4 weeks later, but NO GRILLES (that were ordered). 4 reminders and 4 promises to send the grilles "tomorrow" later we are on September 3rd with no grilles, and my kids are destroying the woofers and tweeters. asked for the drawings of the grilles to do it myself DIY - not answer of any sort from the company. - the placement of the tweeters, mid-range drivers are NOT what the pictures on the website would show. the tweeters are above the mid-range and well above anybody's head-levels - about 9 inches above my listening level, and to get the best sound I need to stand up or sit on 3 pillows. No Bueno. When asked about the discrepancy between the pictures on the website and what I received, I was tersely told by a receptionist that that "this is the newest design". no less, no more. go figure. Summary: half-finished speakers designed, subject to change the design without the notice or explanation before they ship. If this is for you - then they do sound very good. But if you want the speakers that come to your home and just work as promised, then look elsewhere
I have seen many, many comments like yours all over the internet Has all the hallmarks of a scammer. At least you didn't get Eric on the phone yelling at you basically blaming you for the design change or grilles - I've seen quite a few of those stories.... Thank you for being brave enough to post your experience as a warning to others. I'm surprised Eric hasn't threatened to sue you like he did to several reviewers (Erin's Audio Corner, ASR, New Record Day).
At a given SPL what speaker is going to give better Resolution and Dynamics.? Itty Bitty or Gigantor probably the Larger one . So just buy the best you can get and dont be silly with your volume level .
@@ernie-hernandez what size room so you have them in? Did the get the bi-wire option? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a pair of Moab's, but a little nervous about my room size. It measures 13 ft 10 in by 17 foot 10 with a 9-foot ceiling.
@@gme10955 my room is about 15 x 28 with 9 foot ceiling. But I dont play them really loud. To me it's about clarity and a little kick. I had B&Ws the small stand ones I think they where 701s... and they sounded flat and muddled compared to the Moabs. Also and most importantly, I have a very understanding wife. Hope that this helps.
at 1:50 mark 'sound just does not work the way people perceive it to be'. Isn't perception all that matters? We always decide based on actual sound over measurements, unless of course you are in the audiosciencereview cult. great video
Perception can be studied and was for decades by Floyd Toole in a Canadian government project that was not connected to business at all. If there is a cult, it is what you are preaching: blind faith belief in snake oil from certain gurus - who should never be questioned. But if they are questioned, then Plan A is call them a cultist. You're only fooling yourself. And being a total tool of p*ck*rh*ads like Eric the Tektonizer.
data cult has its place! it can get tedious true but ppl who enjoy science do have ears and use them; it can be great to enjoy both data and anecdotal room experiences. wish this designer would embrace both as well bc if one publishes data on say a speaker going lower than 40hz / not doing that then it’s awesome to save consumers time on avoiding or pursuing things if ya know what you want initially aye? consumers should have to rely on others’ subjectivity only to make wise decisions.
@@beastscinema3964 His behavior was so baffling and crazy that a lot of people were trying to understand instead of just dismissing him outright. Once they understood where he was coming from they felt a moral obligation to stand up against his behavior. You are an enabler if you think we should just turn a blind eye - not cool.
Too FUNNY! Several times Eric LEANS on one of the Moab speakers, which is NOT butted up against the 2nd Moab speaker, yet it does NOT move! Like not in the slightest bit. So Yeah, BIG speaker!!!
Did he say double impact are too big for a living room so go with electron instead? So you get 8 and 5 inch rather than 10 and 6 inch and is only $250 less. 🤔 I think just do the di.
I think he was talking about the dreaded WAF. Wife acceptance factor! the Moab would cause my wife to keel over in fits if she saw that in our 15x20' living room!
I don’t think Moab‘s in my small room would be a problem with breaking the room they would break me their bigger than me that would be my problem with them
@@flargosa Good point, but that is a big space compared to a room in any house. And they design those systems to fit the rooms. Eric is doing the opposite and saying people can put those huge speakers in any size room - fixed speaker size (big) in any room (variable). Thank you for helping prove my point and disprove Eric's!!!
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He's RIGHT! Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Matches 100% my decades of experience. Its the application that matters NOT the room. I've set up monster speakers in small rooms, and tiny bookshelf monitors in my big room, nothing ever matched the mythical inter web nonsense it was all just like Eric says here. The more I watch the more I want a set of Moabs- because this guy GETS IT!
I’m very glad you brought this topic up, Eric. I’ve thought the same thing. I bought a pair of Pendragons from you about a year ago now, and still absolutely love them! If I were to upgrade, it’d just end up being another pair of Tektons. Anyway, many of my friends saw them when I first bought em and said that they looked much too big for the room. To that, I’ll just sit em down, put on a record of their choosing, and see the look of awe on their face, quickly realizing they’re not too large for the room by any means.
When I got my Moabs Eric reminded me to make sure that the tweeter was at ear level.... i said, “Which one” 😂😂
The ones on your head. 😊
Left or right ear...really doesn't matter.
@@kohnfutner9637Which tweeter. Not which ear.
@@waynebradley2Yeah, bravo, but which tweeter?
move your couch up two feet. easy!
I agree Eric.
On a related note to this room overload stuff. Oftentimes I notice that all too many audio enthusiasts will not utilize EQ. An audio system in a residential sized space, benefits enormously by utilizing EQ within the modal region... below the transition frequency. So between approx 20hz-300hz or so.
Big resonant peaks of energy oftentimes 10dB or more, plague this frequency range and bloat and blur bass detail. Ideally using a parametric EQ and via measurement, just tame the two or three most prominent peaks... and you're golden.
Automated room EQ can work as well, but can be a problem when it begins altering the frequency response above the transition frequency, that region cannot be corrected by EQ.
1.) Speaker placement
2.) Listener position
3.) Subtle parametric EQ via measurement
DSP?
@Marten Dekker
I missed this.
I'm not sure what you mean by perfect, but if they deteriorate the sonics then utilize an EQ tool/approach with greater transparency.
Also, only EQ down in the minimum phase region, EQ'ing above that point doesn't work.
I'm more of the school of thought that UNTREATED rooms cause the issue. I've seen B&W N805 "overwhelm" a a tiny room. Rather, the room was like a closet and it had no sound absorbing material. It was an echo chamber.
Eric some speakers will have too much bass in a smaller room , partly because the speakers will have to be placed closer to the walls. They are balanced for large room. I do agree that just because a speaker is over six feet tall, 300 lbs and can do 125 dB doesn't mean it won't sound good in a medium or smallish room.
I hope from you to make a video to overview the features, sound characteristics & differences between all Tekton speakers.
Eric, this was something that needed to be said. As I'm working on building out my own dedicated room, I found myself saying "man I wish it was bigger so I could put in some Moabs or Ufbehrts." I said that because I had bought into the lie (usually from "experienced" reviewers), that only a huge n high listening space would let the speakers breath or do them justice. I wanted them so bad that my compromise was that if maybe I turned them down my room could "tolerate" these massive speakers so I could enjoy a live performance sense of scale. Ur explanation of sound and proper room treatments has put me at ease to not compromise based on the size of my room.
Also, this myth needs to be canned because it probably scares the daylights out of your competition. What I mean is, there are a lot of speaker choices out there in the size range of say the Enzo/Lore and downward. How many choices though (for normal people), are in the Moab/Ufbehrt category? Very few; that's how many. Now find those close in price to your products that can deliver even a portion of your sound. Now you here crickets. Great way to downplay these amazing bargains is to say "well ya, but they will completely overload most rooms" Bull____! Keep the videos coming sir. In the immortal words of Wayne, of Wayne n Garth. "One day you will be mine, oh yes." Oh, any wisdom on your new 4x10 subwoofer? Good heavens! You see, we've also been told that subwoofers are great for movies, but for audiophiles, it should start with the letters JL and have 4 inches of excursion and 2000 watts of power. Some people assume your subs are a side hobby, but not for serious listeners. Really?? Thanks again, Gary
Keep the videos coming! Love my Tekton speakers and am enjoying the videos.
Came along at the right time for me. Was looking at a set of speakers but thought the small room they will be in could not handle it.
Good to hear i got a set of double impacts in relatively small dedicated room.
Would they work in a 3.5m x 3.2 meter room ?
I couldn’t agree more with Eric. My Double Impact SE just “look” large in my room but after setting them up right they just disappear and the soundstage is amazing.
"The Double Impact SE has upgraded woofers, mid-bass drivers and tweeters, as compared to the regular Double Impact.
" Wow!!! Amazing!!!
@@webberron I got standard DI's that I upgraded (built an external one due to size of capacitors) the crossovers and rewired that would make you sell your SE's....no BS. They're spectacular. And I dont use that word to describe anything
I suspect that the biggest problem comes from smaller speakers in a big room than a big speaker in a small room. I have 3 pairs of speakers in 2 rooms, a decent sized living room/dining room and a converted bedroom. The bookshelf Focals only work in the bedroom. I have not tried to put the medium Focal floor standers or my big Legacy floor standers into the bedroom, though I am sure the medium ones would work. The better system is also in the living room, and it makes sense to have it matched up to the bigger speakers. I alternate between the 2 pairs since they have different strengths.
I agree. Another component is a larger speaker may be able to put out enough spl to overload the ears themselves. Everyone has a different level as to how much spl they can handle.
I had a pair of Pendragons & definitely had room overload. My room is about 12' x 12.5' and carpeted with some small furnishings. The bass just took over completely, and I've had many other speakers in the room with no problem. The only other speaker that I had the same overload problem with was some Monitor Audio towers, not sure what model since it was years ago & I change gear often. That said, I'd try other Tekton speakers, just smaller with front firing ports.
Yeah, you're totally right, because: Physics! Eric just wants to upsell people because it's all about the $$$. He'll say literally anything. Sad really.
I agree with you. I had a pair of large Magnepan’s and two Sunfire subs for my bedroom system... there was no overload.
As I have said in other forums, the room is the most important component in an audio system. Bad room = bad sound no matter how little or how much is spent on speakers/electronics.
Please describe how the Moab and the Encore differ. Your design goals, their sound, etc.
Thank you!
edit: Over a month later and no answer. Didn’t give an answer on a phone call either.
That is sad. Like pathetic sad. There are tons of people under his videos with genuine questions about not being able to find data, even basic info, and he just says "Call me" - IF they even get a reply in the comments. Most of the questions get no reply, and it is not like he has many comments under these videos....
Have you gotten him by phone yet?
Very interesting perspective. It goes against what so many audiophiles say but perhaps its true? Eric would you say though that a bigger spends better lends itself to a more open airy and grander sound? Especially with big speakers?
I want to put ulfberhts in my bed room lol.
Reflecting 25 - 40 hz waves double up quicker in a smaller room and some call this room gain 'overload'. You can adjust the gain on a sub to fit the room but here's no gain on the woofers of a Moab. Picture a golf ball landing in the center of a 100 yard square pool, watch the single wave it created travel out into decay. Drop a marble into a 2 foot square pool. Those waves hitting themselves over and over in the small pool are overload. Those are extreme examples, but you get the idea. My JBL 590's sound great in my large room, in a smaller room they sound like 4 subs were added
I'd give anything for a pair of Moabs BTW
You nailed it. Eric is full of shit and uses flimflam and lots of drivers to create the illusion of a reason for a disproportionately large price.
Thks for the tip Eric as I was pondering whether the Moab wd overpower my small listening room. Request: Could you use a better mic as it's pretty difficult to hear you clearly
Great video, Eric, I look forward to many more to come in the future. Sorry if this is off-topic but I'd really love to see one about the OB Sigma speakers. From what I've read about them, they sound like my ideal speaker being such a fan of open baffle designs. The Sigmas even get the nod for "wife acceptance factor", so I'm REALLY interested in getting a pair.. She actually thought they looked sexy and I totally agree with her!
We need speakers designed to be be placed near front and side walls! No rear ports! A sealed version of Impact monitors that can do double duty for home theater (L/C/R) or music in smaller rooms where nearby wall boundaries limit speaker choices. Take advantage of wall reinforcement to compensate for the lack of ports.
Why no ports?! Like "room overload" vented cabinets are positively the most misunderstood concept in loudsepaker design. I'm reluctant to do a video because I don't want to disclose information on the topic. Please call me to discuss. And yes, I am certainly willing to make you sealed cabinets.
Seriously? Eric invented something nobody else ever has, but it is so easy to give away the secret with just a few words, or gawd forbid A Measurement? It could only be something nobody except a supergenius would recognize as the source of the "magic"....
I call BS, Eric. And an even larger chunk of the world now knows you are a snake oil seller who doesn't want published measurements, you just wanna get people one-on-one with no witnesses.
Eric, please invest in a wireless lavalier MIC so we can better hear you. Love your speakers and these talks.
We have them. Just chose not to for a few of these. Thanks!
Wow, Eric really "heard" you didn't he? 😂 Basically said he doesn't care if you don't hear. Wow.
Just would like to ask. Do big speakers need more distance from walls compared with smaller ones? The so called space to breathe. Or it’s all the same because of frequencies and not volumes we play at.
Take a look at customer gallery... All different distances... www.tektondesign.com/customer-gallery.html
Yeah, but what about wife overload, Eric? :(
It can led to divorce so be careful, please her once in a while
I am a vintage audiophile. (60 years) I will test for standing waves in a 'live' room. Clapping does fine. Then I put some sort of sound absorbing material (or furniture, bookshelves, etc) on the X and Y horizontal axis of the speaker(s) itself. The decay of mid/high frequencies should become very fast. Carpeting helps. Basically, and as simply as possible it get the 'rattle' out of the room. Then things even out. This is not an in depth acoustic analysis. Just shooting from the hip.
Nahhh. All you need is a pair of Tekton magic boxes. They defy physics!!! 😅
Surely large speakers in small rooms will mean you can't get far enough away from them to allow the sound from the drivers to integrate? Also if you are close to speakers, room reflections contribute less to what you hear, you are near field, which is a different experience...and then if you've got large speakers in a small space, getting the best spacing for stereo imaging field becomes more difficult....
This is inaccurate information. They integrate perfectly at 2.5X the diameter of the array and the listener can get far enough from the speakers.
Haha, False Information! Careful, or Eric A Tekton will sue you for questioning his Wizard of Oz talk. 😂😂😂
I agree after 50 years of audio experience that room overload is a myth, also Troels Gravesen was surprised that his best and biggest 4way with 18 inch bass played over room issues , my bass tower with 6 bass speakers of 12 inch each side was the solution for bass issues in small room! Even a 18 inch on ground and an 18 inch above is a solution , big cone surfaces move much more air without linear cone distortion , it sounds effortless like a big filarmonic orchestra , it never shouts , but big effortless power that gives goose bumps
So let me ask you this question please...If I have an apartment with floor to ceiling windows, let's say it's not square but sort of a crazy rectangle or triangle, would the speakers he's holding, the moabs or some other large speaker would they work great, or would I have to do a lot of room treatments, or just decide on a regular 1,500 square ft room that the majority of apartments have?
100% right ! 😎👍
Using this, would you think the DI’s would work in a 3.3 x 3.2 bedroom?
wont fit
@@gordyg1Doesn't matter! They are the perfect speaker for any size room! 🎉
I can’t hear you
Room treatments are so important but getting the wife to agree to that is pretty tough
Keep up the videos. I want to know more about tekton!
Are you available for tours.
Yes. We'd need an ahead of time heads up though.
I've heard that the bass needs space to propagate (since the sound waves are bigger) which makes it hard to get good bass in a small room. Is this a myth, as well?
Yes it's a myth as well;
- large rooms
- small rooms
- car audio
- In-Ear headphones
They all deal with the long wavelengths just fine.
In reality, there are distinct advantages to smaller acoustic spaces whereby the reciprocal gains give back below the room's first/fundamental mode (i.e., "pressure vessel gain", or "room gain").
@@FOH3663 I had a really nice system installed in a car once with sperate subwoofers. It never produced deep bass until I rolled the windows down. The difference was quite dramatic.
@@FOH3663 Sure, but depending on what system reproduce those drivers, bass extension differs, thus room or any closed place size is important. To took "loud" example (pun intended), compare bass reproduced by car system drivers with bass reproduced by big a..s subwoofers which are so big, it has to be put in the back. Difference is so huge that you should be bass maniac to enjoy latter case. But put the same subwoofer in open area and it will still be powerful but not fatiguing.
You heard right. It is why car speakers are so small. And usually car systems are sized and matched to the space.
But Tekton turns around and says to go ahead and put those giant speakers in any size of room.... They are peddling BS and just want to upsell you as they fleece you.
So if and when I move to Chicago, where they have thousands of apartments, and if I choose one that has those floor to ceiling windows....that's going to be a challenge to find the right speakers? Please let me know.
How bizarre that Eric "liked" your comment but did not answer. Make me think he doesn't know the answer.
Can you design speakers for dolby atmos?
Yes. We have those products available.
Hi.
I have a different question (I know this video is old, and that you might not reply, and that is ok 😊).
I just wonder what the benefit of having a bass driver on top and on in the bottom is, compared to two at the bottom (like the double impact)?
Btw: I have never experienced a speaker to be too big either. 😊
Please call or email us directly - tekton_design@yahoo.com
You know it's a scam when they won't put any actual hard information down in black and white. Have you seen the videos where Tektons get measured? 😢😅😂
not sure what overload means (it’s quite vague) but you can overload your body w too high of SPL dB - in smaller rooms especially. huge speakers like this would be ridiculous in a smaller room bc seriously 90 dB @ 3 meters for longer than 5 min is really fucking loud and easily smaller less eccentric speakers are well equipped to get that loud actually or more.
Would it sound better if you used amt twitters?
I don't have a fourth wall living room and dinning and kitchen is to left as looking forward towards speakers
Sorry for noob question - what is room overload?
It often happens that someone sets up a set of speakers and finds the bass is boomy, muddy, and overwhelming. More often than not this is worse with bigger speakers with better bass, and less of a problem with tiny speakers with weak bass. Room overload is the often repeated mythical reason given for this. As Eric explains it is unfounded. Something I've known for years but nice to hear coming from a speaker designer for a change. Room overload is nonsense. As Eric says if it was a real thing then there would be no good car audio at all. Even the smallest room in a house is huge compared to a car, yet audiophools blame the small room when their poor setups sound bad. Wrong. Listen to Eric. Its the application, not the room, and the details of the room, not its size, that matters.
@@charlesmiller6281What Eric doesn't point out is that car audio speakers are tiny. So yes, room overload is a thing and it is caused by overlarge bass capacity in too small a space - it is a ratio - but then he goes on to recommend too-big unnecessarily expensive speakers to his audience - even for small rooms! He is not even a slick flim-flam guy. I'm thinking he is a few cards short of a full deck.
Should we have carpet floors instead of tile?
Carpets on tile floors 😁
Its too hard and expensive to change your room so blame it on the audio equipment
Great speakers, hobby-shop-like customer experience. Bought the Tekton Brilliance.
The good: Great sounding speakers - you hear the soloist right in your room, good sound staging.
The Bad:
- the speakers are very intrusive into your living/listening room, chunky, no-beauty-queen
- had a terrible customer experience: credit card charged May 4th, the speakers shipped 4 weeks later, but NO GRILLES (that were ordered). 4 reminders and 4 promises to send the grilles "tomorrow" later we are on September 3rd with no grilles, and my kids are destroying the woofers and tweeters. asked for the drawings of the grilles to do it myself DIY - not answer of any sort from the company.
- the placement of the tweeters, mid-range drivers are NOT what the pictures on the website would show. the tweeters are above the mid-range and well above anybody's head-levels - about 9 inches above my listening level, and to get the best sound I need to stand up or sit on 3 pillows. No Bueno. When asked about the discrepancy between the pictures on the website and what I received, I was tersely told by a receptionist that that "this is the newest design". no less, no more. go figure.
Summary: half-finished speakers designed, subject to change the design without the notice or explanation before they ship. If this is for you - then they do sound very good. But if you want the speakers that come to your home and just work as promised, then look elsewhere
I have seen many, many comments like yours all over the internet Has all the hallmarks of a scammer. At least you didn't get Eric on the phone yelling at you basically blaming you for the design change or grilles - I've seen quite a few of those stories....
Thank you for being brave enough to post your experience as a warning to others. I'm surprised Eric hasn't threatened to sue you like he did to several reviewers (Erin's Audio Corner, ASR, New Record Day).
What if I placed a speaker running at 50Kw RMS in a bedroom? Would that be room overload?
only if you turned it up loud... lower volumes might sound nice
The room is afraid to overload due to litigation...
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At a given SPL what speaker is going to give better Resolution and Dynamics.? Itty Bitty or Gigantor probably the Larger one . So just buy the best you can get and dont be silly with your volume level .
I want to know what those Moab’s sound like, they look incredible. Sound signature on the Moab’s?
Rob, where do you live? I have a set that you can listen to...
Ernie Hernandez - I live in Alberta Canada. Probably far away, but I appreciate the rely! How would you describe the sound signature?
Rob, that’s a little far from Birmingham Alabama... they sound amazing.
@@ernie-hernandez what size room so you have them in? Did the get the bi-wire option? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a pair of Moab's, but a little nervous about my room size. It measures 13 ft 10 in by 17 foot 10 with a 9-foot ceiling.
@@gme10955 my room is about 15 x 28 with 9 foot ceiling. But I dont play them really loud. To me it's about clarity and a little kick. I had B&Ws the small stand ones I think they where 701s... and they sounded flat and muddled compared to the Moabs. Also and most importantly, I have a very understanding wife. Hope that this helps.
at 1:50 mark 'sound just does not work the way people perceive it to be'. Isn't perception all that matters? We always decide based on actual sound over measurements, unless of course you are in the audiosciencereview cult. great video
Perception can be studied and was for decades by Floyd Toole in a Canadian government project that was not connected to business at all.
If there is a cult, it is what you are preaching: blind faith belief in snake oil from certain gurus - who should never be questioned. But if they are questioned, then Plan A is call them a cultist.
You're only fooling yourself. And being a total tool of p*ck*rh*ads like Eric the Tektonizer.
data cult has its place! it can get tedious true but ppl who enjoy science do have ears and use them; it can be great to enjoy both data and anecdotal room experiences. wish this designer would embrace both as well bc if one publishes data on say a speaker going lower than 40hz / not doing that then it’s awesome to save consumers time on avoiding or pursuing things if ya know what you want initially aye? consumers should have to rely on others’ subjectivity only to make wise decisions.
Yes the room is part of the system.
I wanted to turn my basement into a dedicated listening room but it has concrete walls and floors. Is this bad?
@@briannemeth3296You'll never get an answer from Tekton....
Smoke and mirrors…nothing to back up his assertions at all.
And most of the time when people ask real questions and suggest there is not enough info on his website he just says "call me" ....
Hehe, smoke and mirrors - and lawyers! to back up his assertions 😂😂😂
Apparently you guys have nothing better to do than go to his site and put nonsense on here Not cool
@@beastscinema3964 His behavior was so baffling and crazy that a lot of people were trying to understand instead of just dismissing him outright. Once they understood where he was coming from they felt a moral obligation to stand up against his behavior. You are an enabler if you think we should just turn a blind eye - not cool.
@@katebloggsno he’s just not a sheep of the flock like all you losers are
Tekton speakers aren't the ugliest or cheapest looking speaker but it sure isn't the prettiest or most sophisticated looking.
I sure would like to hear these. So much buzz both for and against but I think they probably sound very good.
Too FUNNY! Several times Eric LEANS on one of the Moab speakers, which is NOT butted up against the 2nd Moab speaker, yet it does NOT move! Like not in the slightest bit. So Yeah, BIG speaker!!!
I would offer a rear firing dipole array , thats the next step
Bigger is more, but not necessarily more loud
Im really excited about my Pendragons ….
Did he say double impact are too big for a living room so go with electron instead? So you get 8 and 5 inch rather than 10 and 6 inch and is only $250 less. 🤔 I think just do the di.
I think he was talking about the dreaded WAF. Wife acceptance factor! the Moab would cause my wife to keel over in fits if she saw that in our 15x20' living room!
I don’t think Moab‘s in my small room would be a problem with breaking the room they would break me their bigger than me that would be my problem with them
Yes, I have a question. Will the Lores overload my room? 😂
3 min 22sec....these speakers are a bit W.E.D. ( wife expressed dislike) ....most wife friendly speaker is Sonus Faber
Be sensitive to women??? LOL I was going to get the DIs - my wife said “no, get the big ones”…we are still waiting on the Moabs
He looks like Steve Jobs
Can't hear you!
Man, the top end of those speakers must be killer.
Literally. Room Overload was an urban myth until this speaker was invented and the salesman encouraged his flock to buy them for tiny rooms.
@@katebloggs an iMax theater has 40+ speakers with 10,000+ watts. Sounds awesome.
@@flargosa Good point, but that is a big space compared to a room in any house. And they design those systems to fit the rooms. Eric is doing the opposite and saying people can put those huge speakers in any size room - fixed speaker size (big) in any room (variable). Thank you for helping prove my point and disprove Eric's!!!
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