Let's Build a CVA Hawken from the 1980s Part 1 | Overview & Dry fitting | I Love Muzzleloading
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We are building a 20th-century muzzleloading classic, a CVA Hawken Kit in this video series. This kit is not mine, it's owned by a local family who asked me to finish it after their father had passed before he could finish it.
I'll be taking the kit through various stages of woodworking, metalworking, and then wood and metal finishing to bring out the family heirloom hidden within this kit. I'll be using a variety of files, sandpaper, wood carving chisels and more.
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More than a rifle, a symbol of a better time when fun and adventure was not compromised by how big a wallet you had, and poisoned by the affluent that destroyed and barred those that truly respected and could grasp the adventures of the men who depended on these arms. This was a seed that grew into a lifetime of connection to the past, a far deeper understanding and love. The proudest rifle in the cabinet and to the memories of a time when wonder and innocence and pride were more than words. An inexpensive rifle that came with what is priceless.
Couldn't agree more!
The 1980s were a good decade. Thank you for putting this video together.
I have a Thompson Center arms Hawkins cap and ball rifle like you are building. If you like I can send you photos of how my factory finished rifle is put together. Their is a gap in the nose cap fit of about 3/8 of an inch on my rifle. By the way I’m a Hoosier too.
Those old CVA kits introduced thousands of shooters to black powder and muzzleloaders, it's a shame CVA quit producing them, they were their bread and butter for decades. I have three of those old hand drills, love them, when I want to work on something at night and don't want to make any noise or when I just want to drill something really slowly, they work great.
I have a CVA Kentucky rifle that I built from a kit that I got as a high school graduation present in 1980. It has served me well for 43 years , hunting , target shooting and so on. CVA built some of the best kits , too bad they don't make them anymore.
I wish they did too.
i built one of these CVA kits over 30 years back, i did the kentucky rifle as well, a good walk down memory lane hehehe, cheers mate
Yrs ago I found this same kit(+ a .54cal bbl in the box) at a garage sale. $110 . I took a month to build it a few hrs here and there...1 of my favorite firearms I own. I constantly get compliments on it
I have one of those I put together in the high school wood shop and I hang on to it as a reminder that competence matters, and my limitations.
Wow Ethan that is a blast from the past. I had a CVA st Louis hawken percussion when I was a teenager. It was in 50 cal. All brass hardware. Boy does that bring back memories.
Thanks Mark, I bet that was a special time!
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Yes it was.
Hello Eathan, I'm new to your channel and found it just in time for your build, I have a CVA St Louis Hawken that a friend gave me new in the box (assembled) back in 92, I always enjoyed shooting it but didn't like the new modern features; s one day I disassembled it and started sanding and filing. I found CVA added a lot of excess wood that was not needed which allowed me to shape up the stock nicely, I also used CVA Mountain rifle sights, more traditional, a silver patch box and used a more traditional Hawken brass trigger guard with out the spur, I found I caught on the deer ckin case I put it in. Of course build it to your liking just have fun doing it, looking forward to your next video.
That sounds awesome Charles. I'm glad to hear you customized the hawken to be uniquely yours!
I have the same kit with both 50&54cal I built it for my brother who has passed also and I have it again. I've wanted to hunt with it also but I wanted a flinch lock so I converted it with a replacement lock and converting the drum with flush fit aka angle grinder with cutting wheel then I made the drum remains sealed with flux core then I used a 1/16 bit and made the flashhole I packed it up 150gr. Tied it up to a table and pulled the lanyard to trigger from behind a wall. It was enough to prove to me that a 90 grain charge is more than safe
Seems to me it was the middle 70s. I bought my first cva kit at the sportsman show in Harrisburg farm show complex. A pistol. Next was a cva Kentucky rifle. I learned a lot building cva kits.
I found you by accident and dude ur my favorite
I love happy accidents! Thanks for the kind words
Awe. Love the story behind the kit. I was born in the late 70s. Damn life goes way too quick. In the. blink of an eye.
Life does go by fast. Thanks for watching
I think the term you was looking for is draft on the piece you are inletting not sweep,just trying to help with terminology not being critical. You want to file draft on the piece you are inletting and keep your wood straight so as it seats in it presses out and you have a snug fit.
I felt the the CVA kits were good, I think might be remembering wrong the barrels were Bergara barrels,which are very good barrels nowadays.
Yes, thank you, DRAFT is just what I was looking for.
This looks like a fun one!
Hope so Bill!
Recently spotted a 45 barrel on ebay, 1 turn in 44 inches, clean deep rifling. Good enough for sabots or maxi ball. From the corner of the garage came 2 pieces of the old CVA long rifle stock, an antique lock with most of internals and various pieces of brass hardware. When I loosely stuck the various pieces together what came out closely resembled an old Leman Conestoga Rifle Works percussion long rifle. I'm happy as a lark working on it. Be happy to send some pics when it's finished if i knew where to send them
Yeah Ethan! You did good. And this will be great! Thanks for bringing the series to us.
Thanks so much!
I bought one of these kits when Target store clearances them and stopped selling firearms around 1980. I keep wanting to build it. Maybe this will get me going on it. Thanks for doing this series .
I hope it does! Thanks for sharing your story.
Sweet I love these guns
They are sure shooters I hear!
@I Love Muzzleloading oh yeah, they definitely shoot the Hornady pa. Conical well.
Discovered just in time. I have an almost identical one I've had for decades and never built though I have gotten started. Almost sold it more than once and now glad I didn't. Anxious to see this as you build and I'll be sure to follow along. :-)
Another great series in the making! I think you explain things very well for us novices. What you said about power tools is spot on!.
Thank you!
Great video my friend 👍🏼
Thanks Tommy!
Following you on Utreon now
Awesome, thanks!
I really enjoy these kit builds that you do. This one has some good history to it also. Thanks.
Thank you!
Those kits were made so the owner had to do some work to have a nicely finished rifle. It was made when men (primarily) had a higher level of mechanical skills than today. Now companies have to do pretty much all the work to get people to buy their kits. The CVA and TC kits from the 70s and 80s were just fine. Nice video
Thanks! Sadly the days of garage shops being everywhere seem to have gone by. I hope to inspire more folks to get back into it.
I really enjoy your build videos. Cant wait to see part2
Thanks Snapper! Hope you find them useful!
The first gun I ever shot was my Grandfather's CVA Kentucky Rifle he built from a kit. That was back in 1986 or so and he built it in the late 1970's. My son has been competing with that gun off and on over the last few years.
That's wonderful!
Off to a good start. I'm a Hawken nut. The only long guns I own are all Hawkens. I know I should get some other styles, but I'm comfortable with what I have. I can't wait to see what you end up with. I know it'll be a beauty.
Thanks for the video.
Nothing wrong with the hawken!
That little booklet is something the Traditions kits are missing!
For some reason RUclips didn't let me know this video was available, so I'm a little late to the party.
Ecited to see a new build from you
I hope it lives up to expectations!
I should probably add that cheap chisels from Harbor Freight, cheap files from the same, and a decent screwdriver can build these. A vise would have been nice, but I managed without. You really can do most of this on the kitchen table if you have no other place to do the build. Sanding the stock down to shape was the most messy part and most of that I got done outside.
Excellent work.
Ethan, I have a Thompson Center Arms cap and ball like like what you are building. I will be glad to provide you photos of how my factory finished rifle is put together. There is a space of about 3/8 inch on the end cap. By the way I am a Hoosier too.
Smart use of the X-ACTO knife
Thank you, my father taught me that.
That Kit was made by Dikar in Spain in the 80s. It was also made in 54 caliber. I think it's better to change the rear sight and front sight for traditional ones, like the original Hawken ones. Deer Creek has spares. The Buckhorn model of the Hawken Woodsman from Ardesa (Traditions) that is still being manufactured in Spain is also useful. The good thing about the Dikar CVA rifle is that the barrel is one inch thick and the wood is good Spanish walnut and not beech. Greetings friend from Spain.
Thank you so much! Your comments are very informative and help me out a lot!
With brass, just heat it up with a torch and bend it, it wont break easily at all.
Interesting!
I built a CVA Mountain Rifle in .50 caliber way back in the late '70s. The female thread for the tumbler adjustment screw in the sear was very poorly cast; there wasn't enough metal for the tap to reach full depth of thread, so after a while the lock would not stay at full-cock. I still have the rifle hanging on my wall, it is a beautiful gun if I do say so myself. I have gotten a new-old lock from Deer Creek Products and will be fitting it into the old girl soon, and will take her out and make a bunch of white smoke with her again.
I'm so happy to hear you still have it! Get out there and make some smoke!
I have several of them, good shooters
I have 2 of these hawken style rifles. 1 is a 32 cal and a 50 and man do they shoot. I wouldn't trade them for anything. I call them my Jeremiah Johnson setup
Never trade them! Hold onto them!
@@ILoveMuzzleloading I don't plan to. They are my favorite rifles to shoot of all the rifles I own
They wanted you to tape it while the barrel was still in there. You even read the directions that said to tape it then remove the barrel. You got er in there though but if someone else goes by the video they may not be so lucky.
Thank you! I feel silly sometimes when I watch it back, something that seems so obvious in the video should come to me while filming, but oh well.
That family has a family heirloom and work art .
I hope so!
We did have electricity in the 80’s. Lol🤣
Was it dinosaur powered?? 🤣🤣
Hi Thank you so much for the instructional video on this CVA Hawken rifle build. I received a CVA St. Louis Hawken .50 Cal. Rifle build kit under the same circumstances as you did however the kit was missing the build instructions and I was wondering if you might know where I could find a set of those instructions. I did down load a copy of the CVA Sidelock Rifle manual from Deer Creek but it really doesn't cover the build and CVA only had the same information as did Deer Creek. The kit was also missing the barrel rib and Deer Creek had one in stock so I'm good with that missing part. I could have machined a new rib but I just went ahead and had them send me one I guess I was just being lazy. Cheers Markus
Hi Markus, I have photos of the manual at this link - www.ilovemuzzleloading.com/blog/lets-build-a-cva-hawken-from-the-1980s-part-1-overview-amp-dry-fitting
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Thank you so much for the link at least I will be able to look at the build steps.
Late 80's I built my T/C Hawken
That's awesome!
I have a CVA "Frontier" 50 cal. muzzleloader that my brother put together from a kit back in 1988. He gave it to me several years ago. I've hunted and killed deer with it, but i haven't used it in a few years because I bought a CVA Wolf about four years ago. I like the traditional style muzzleloaders and I want to start using it again. I have a couple of questions. I need to replace the ramrod and it needs a new nipple. I tried a nipple from a Traditions 50 cal. pistol I have and it fits on the rifle fine, using number 11 caps. Should I use a different nipple or one like the one on my pistol? The rifle has a 24 inch barrel and I need to find a new ramrod for it. Any suggestions? I really enjoy your channel.
The trigger gaurds do break easy
I found out🤭
oh no!
What about the 45cal h 1/60 trun
I've been trying to find that book, can't get it anywhere.
I'm going to reach out to the Author and try to see about stock numbers. I feel bad reccommending a book no one can get!
Longer tang.
I bought one of these unfinished kits with missing parts, mainly for the barrel. I then made my own stock from curly maple and put it all together. That thing was ugly and chunky, I sold it! Ha
Haha, that sounds like and adventure Brian! Your building skills have come a long way!!
It’s really a shame CVA abandoned sidelocks and went all in on modern inlines.
I thought it to be 70’s era?🤔
From the looks of how messy and cluttered your shop is the work must be the same way I wouldn't let anyone with a shop like that touch my gun sorry that's just how I see it.😢😢😢
LOL
Nice!