Amazing interview and a real eye-opener about the people of the soil...the East Indians. I am a proud East Indian originally from "Kole Kalyan (Land of the foxes) later renamed "Kalina" in Santa Cruz east. Cheers from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
There are many East Indians in Mississauga, Brampton and Scarborough, but are scattered across the Burroughs. In fact we have an Annual East Indian Dinner and Dance and it's fun...a lot of Gumat playing Guys dressed like Kolis with Hodis , oars and nets..women dressed in Lugras and not forgetting the scrumptious East Indian Buffet with Vindalos, Sorpotel, Fugias, Chicken Khudis etc. East Indians are everywhere 😊😊
To be better understood, in a highly cosmopolitan city like Mumbai, we 'EAST INDIANS' can be spoken of about as "THE 'MOBAI' MARATHI ROMAN CATHOLICS, THE 'GAOTHANKARS', THE ANCIENT NATIVES OF 'AAMCHI MUMBAI', THE GOOD OLD BOMBAY" the sons of the soil, the landlords of Mumbai and it's environs!!!
Your show took me back of my father days when he had a good relations with this lovely community when he was a bachelor in late 50s, and then up-to-date we are in touch with their family, morever we had good friends too and not forgetting our school teachers, sports masters were all from this lovely community. Good old days.
Very informative Dr. Fleur. My ancestors came from Portugal and settled in Goa marrying into the Indian community. Thanks to your talk, I now better understand my family background. I see that we share the same Christian name too !
Thanks for the very informative interview. During my service in Bombay during the 1970s I had the privilege of working with an East Indian gentleman. He was so helpful and decent in all his actions, I still think of him.
Superb introduction & Brief on the East Indian Community spread over various parts of Mumbai & Thane...Nice to hear Dr.Fleur Dsouza share snippets of her background & family....thee Culture....identity...
Thank you Dr. Fleur and journalist Subuhi Jiwani. The 46 minutes was fascinating and rich with information on the political, sociological and cultural details of the original inhabitants of Mumbai: the East Indians.
Thanks a lot Dr Fleur. Myself an East Indian from Vasai and have been always very intrigued by our history. More content would be appreciated. You may also feel free to reach out for any help researching in Vasai.
Please make a video on Marathi speaking Jews from Konkan region ( Pen / Alibag ) they are also known as "Bene Israeli " AND they are one of most assimilated community withe majority Hindu community , many migrated to Israel but still proud of the Maharashtra / Indian heritage
It was a good interview and so happy to learn about my city Thane, where her parents lived and she grew up. I had a lot if friends from those areas which she mentioned . Maybe a few of my school teachers were from this area.
Hello, Good Day ! fantastic work by Ms. Subuhi Jiwani, the flow of questions were really gripping and insightful and so were the inflow of informative answers. It was nice to know that Dr. Fluer's paternal side heritage comes from Bassein, which also happens to be my hometown. It was really sad to hear about the demise of Mr. Darryl D'monte...RIP...his grandfather was the former President of The Bombay East Indian Association and my grandfather - Mr. Michael Colaco was the secretary. It would be nice of Dr. Fluer and Ms. Subuhi to get to the Samvedi Brahmin Catholic roots....All the best !
To retain the identity of the EAST INDIAN COMMUNITY, we need to briefly archive the identity of important or prominent personalities from the community........ and, from my side of our families, my maternal uncle, the late William D''souza, an original resident of Bhoiwada Gaothan, Parel, is held in high esteem amongst us, he can be considered as a prominent 'EAST INDIAN' who served in the Bombay Police, right from the British pre-independece era, who retired as a DCP, who was also instrumental in investigating the assassinstion of Mahatma Gandhiji in 1948!!!
Oh proud to be an east Indian I belong to the Santos family from Sahar can proudly mention that the East Indian book way back of the year 1857 has a write up of my uncle Mr Alex Santos who is the first graduate of the suburbs There is a pic if him in the book
How we were called East Indian? In 1886,the British crown received two applications from India,one was from calcutta and the other from Bombay.Both were two different communities but asking to be officially recognised as East Indian community.The Anglo indian community in calcutta and local indiginious community from Bombay. Queen Victoria,decreed in favour of the Bombay application and the local community of native of Bombay were officially gazetted to be called the East Indian community. . Thats how all Balutedar sharing cultural and linguistic uniformity, the sutar, the kunbi,the nhavi the bhandari the lohar...etc were formed and recognised as the East Indian community!
@@doreenfernandes2431 No it is original name is Mumbai Britishers bastardized it as Bombay , Similar Thane was changed to Thana , Pune changed to PUNA, Vandre Changed to BANDRA, Shiv changed to SION ,
Ptolemy, the Greek geographer had named the 7 islands which constitutes present Mumbai as Heptanesia. The locals called it Mumbai, the Portuguese Bom bahia, the British Bombay. The East Indians have always called their land Mobai.
The East Indian community origins from Balutedaar socio systems of Maharastra. So we are purely Maharashtrian with Marathi language.We adopted the English language and culture from the Anglo community.
@@jiti5034 Mumbai was occupied by portugandu and was gifted to the British in dowry. The British didn't waste time converting them into Anglican or COE believers so they have retained the pokergee influence
@@candidamulrain4573 when did I say you were converted to Anglican ? All I said is that unlike the pokergee, the British didn't bother to convert you when Mumbai became British territory & so you retain pokergee influence.
1) Do East Indians have Goan linkage and or Origin? 2) Were East Indians Konkanis as Manglorians? 3) How can Anglo Indians, East Indians with Goans be distinguished? 4) Why are East Indians not Anglicans but Catholics? 5) Why was it not called West Indians? 6) Are East Indians Bartolomeo/Nathanial Christians? 7) Did the Portuguese subpress the East Indians from speaking Konkani as was the case with Goa or its history is burried?
1. No, the EI are the natives of the 7 islands that made up present day Bombay & suburbs. 2. Well they are from the coastal Konkan region but not from Goa or Mangalore 3. By their food/cuisine, traditional dress, language. Anglo Indian cuisine maybe largely influenced by the British whereas East Indian cuisine is a fusion of local Marathi/Konkan and Portuguese. East Indians speak a kind of Creole or a dialect with Marathi as it's base but with many loan words from Portuguese, Gujrati, Urdu. EI women wear the traditional 9 yards lugra similar to the Marathi nav-vari with some variations in drape style. The fabric is similar to the Ikal chequered weave style of Karnataka but the border and motifs are distinctly EI. 4. EI were converted by the Portuguese who were Roman Catholic Christians. The British are Anglicans. 5. The name taken by the community was largely political not geographical. Dr. Fleur explains it in the video. 6. Who are Bartholomeo /Nathaniel Christians? EI are Roman Catholics. 7. The East Indians were free to speak in their native tongue.
Would like to understand the surnames which have a Portuguese connect. Dsouza, dasilva, Rodriguez etc etc. were the indigenes, maharashtrians or GSBs of goa converted by Portuguese to Christianity and hence the surname? Most speak Marathi or konkani and hence the question.
Could it be the community wanted the "east India company" Name to be preserved as they were emotionally attached and hence chose to call themselves "east indians" - the very year the east India Company was defunked.
The East Indians have never looked down upon Anglo infact looked up to,right from East India company to calling themself East Indians which apparently anglo community identified being east to the UK. East Indians adopted much of English culture and language from Anglo community.
@@darrylpereira473Anglo lndians have one European parent almost always a Brit. They could be catholics or protestants and spoke English at home. They did not consider themselves lndian and referred to England as home. They were white colored largely employed by the army or railways. East lndian are local Hindus converted to Roman Catholicism. Racially they were 100% lndians, spoke marathi, derived livelihood from the soil and water. Women wore saree known as lugda and in the past men wore half dhoti.
I am from Larkana Sindh Pakistan, from the seat of Ancient civilization of the Indus valley! Mombai was actually Mom Bai, the name of a Sindhi woman of Malaahs from Kolachi clan and was married there from Karachi. for before the both place got shape of cities. The both MomBai and present Karachi were small Fishermen villages on the banks of ocean, those days called as Sindu Sagar (ocean). Her younger sister Gul Bai, popularly known as Mai Kolachi, is burried here along with her seven brothers on Maripur Road on the bank of Lyari river in Karachi, the port city of Pakistan. Larkana Sindh Pakistan July 19, 2024.
East Indians are converted by dropping bread into their well.most of them are Brahmins. In hv visited some houses in vasai .their old wooden houses still have hindu inscriptions carved on doors.some of them proudly tell we were hindu Brahmins.
Why not? Where do you think the East Indians came from? Our forefathers were farmers, fishermen, toddy tappers, carpenters, barbers etc who lived on the 7 islands and cultivated the lands that now constitute Mumbai.
Please define east indian. In west Indies people of Indian origin are called east indian. Are the people who worked for East India co. called east indian? 😢
Pls visit kotachi wadi Girgaum charni road, goregaon east behind st Thomas church nr railway station, mahim west, bandra west, versova all or east Indians Catholics are staying and many have left the places
The fact remains that there is no EAST on the west coast of भारत. It a feeble effort to conceal their original identity. It's NO SECRET that the हिंदू from आगरी,कोळी & भंडारी communities which were converted to the Christianity were labelled "" East Indians'"" to conceal their low social hierarchy. The Christian missionaries have condemned the caste system in the सनातन धर्म persued the same practice
Long story short, a colonial power occupied some parts of India. Some of the occupied heathen convert to the true religion of the colonial power. The neo converts then find ways to separate themselves from the heathen. This difference in life style becomes their culture & we spend 30 mins listening to something that could have been wound up in 5. 😂
Amazing interview and a real eye-opener about the people of the soil...the East Indians. I am a proud East Indian originally from "Kole Kalyan (Land of the foxes) later renamed "Kalina" in Santa Cruz east. Cheers from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
Do you know if there is any East Indian Community in Toronto/Missisauga/Scarborough?
There are many East Indians in Mississauga, Brampton and Scarborough, but are scattered across the Burroughs. In fact we have an Annual East Indian Dinner and Dance and it's fun...a lot of Gumat playing Guys dressed like Kolis with Hodis , oars and nets..women dressed in Lugras and not forgetting the scrumptious East Indian Buffet with Vindalos, Sorpotel, Fugias, Chicken Khudis etc. East Indians are everywhere 😊😊
East Indians are fun loving people. Enjoyed my time with people from Vakola and Kalina Village. They are gem of people and always welcoming.
Thank you Dr.Fleur.. True champion of the Mobai East Indian Communities.
We take vicarious pride in your achievements..
To be better understood, in a highly cosmopolitan city like Mumbai, we 'EAST INDIANS' can be spoken of about as "THE 'MOBAI' MARATHI ROMAN CATHOLICS, THE 'GAOTHANKARS', THE ANCIENT NATIVES OF 'AAMCHI MUMBAI', THE GOOD OLD BOMBAY" the sons of the soil, the landlords of Mumbai and it's environs!!!
Professor Fleur was my History professor.. so good to see you Mam ..
Very proud of the interview of Dr.Fleur with Subhui to talk about the east Indian community..
Dr. Fleur D'Souza is so very beautiful connects hearts lots of love to her ❤
Very interesting interview! Being an East Indian, was happy to hear so much history about our culture ❤❤❤
Many Thanks Ma'am D'Souza, Very informative. Impressive ❤🎉God bless u both.
Very Very informative.❤ Thank you Dr. FLEUR for enlightening us about our community
My B Ed classmate at St Xavier's 1978-79 batch. I have still the photo of this batch. Congrats Dr. Fleur.
Dr. Fleur D'Souza please make more videos on Vasai ( bassein) history as the locals are very unaware of their history and maratha invasion.
Your show took me back of my father days when he had a good relations with this lovely community when he was a bachelor in late 50s, and then up-to-date we are in touch with their family, morever we had good friends too and not forgetting our school teachers, sports masters were all from this lovely community. Good old days.
Thank you for educating us! 🎉
My professor❤️ Wonderful to see Ma'am after decades
What a wonderful interview. Dr. Fleur D'Souza is knowledgeable, eloquent and so well groomed. Fabulous!
Very informative Dr. Fleur. My ancestors came from Portugal and settled in Goa marrying into the Indian community. Thanks to your talk, I now better understand my family
background. I see that we share the same Christian name too !
😂 congratulations, please get pokergee citizenship and return to your homeland.
In migration is causing problems in Goa similar to what happened to Bombay and the East Indians. Very informative interview. Thanks.
Thanks for the very informative interview. During my service in Bombay during the 1970s I had the privilege of working with an East Indian gentleman. He was so helpful and decent in all his actions, I still think of him.
Superb introduction & Brief on the East Indian Community spread over various parts of Mumbai & Thane...Nice to hear Dr.Fleur Dsouza share snippets of her background & family....thee Culture....identity...
Excellent ! Excellent! I did not know the history! I went to Marve for 10 years
Thank you Dr. Fleur and journalist Subuhi Jiwani. The 46 minutes was fascinating and rich with information on the political, sociological and cultural details of the original inhabitants of Mumbai: the East Indians.
This is incredible
The white cloth to cover the head and flowing down till the back of the knees of ladies is the ...Veil....Vasai Vadvals call it the " Vàl".
Thanks a lot Dr Fleur. Myself an East Indian from Vasai and have been always very intrigued by our history. More content would be appreciated. You may also feel free to reach out for any help researching in Vasai.
Another cuisine influence is the introduction of Portuguese-bread (pao).
leading to all these 'pav' dishes that the region is known for.
The "pao" was introduced by the Goan community, in their so-called hostels in the Dhobi-talao precinct.
@@leonine01, kood, not hostels.
A very informative interview. Thank you,
Listening to this interview was great,You both were fantastic .God bless you both.
Amazing information.... Errol... Vasai
Such a beautiful community.
Please make a video on Marathi speaking Jews from Konkan region ( Pen / Alibag ) they are also known as "Bene Israeli " AND they are one of most assimilated community withe majority Hindu community , many migrated to Israel but still proud of the Maharashtra / Indian heritage
It was a good interview and so happy to learn about my city Thane, where her parents lived and she grew up. I had a lot if friends from those areas which she mentioned . Maybe a few of my school teachers were from this area.
Fleur Mam ❤. My ex professor at Xaviers 😊
Hello, Good Day ! fantastic work by Ms. Subuhi Jiwani, the flow of questions were really gripping and insightful and so were the inflow of informative answers. It was nice to know that Dr. Fluer's paternal side heritage comes from Bassein, which also happens to be my hometown. It was really sad to hear about the demise of Mr. Darryl D'monte...RIP...his grandfather was the former President of The Bombay East Indian Association and my grandfather - Mr. Michael Colaco was the secretary. It would be nice of Dr. Fluer and Ms. Subuhi to get to the Samvedi Brahmin Catholic roots....All the best !
To retain the identity of the EAST INDIAN COMMUNITY, we need to briefly archive the identity of important or prominent personalities from the community........ and, from my side of our families, my maternal uncle, the late William D''souza, an original resident of Bhoiwada Gaothan, Parel, is held in high esteem amongst us, he can be considered as a prominent 'EAST INDIAN' who served in the Bombay Police, right from the British pre-independece era, who retired as a DCP, who was also instrumental in investigating the assassinstion of Mahatma Gandhiji in 1948!!!
one can still the women's wearing the rose pink navari saree ( lugda) in Vasai. There are only very few left.
Oh proud to be an east Indian I belong to the Santos family from Sahar can proudly mention that the East Indian book way back of the year 1857 has a write up of my uncle Mr Alex Santos who is the first graduate of the suburbs There is a pic if him in the book
My history teacher in college!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ my favourite as well!! Gosh I love her! What a wonderful video and she looks the same even after 25 years
East Indians got swamped by migrant coastal christian communities from goa and karnataka. These are its final decades. Sad to say.
Thks DR Fleur for yr information
How we were called East Indian?
In 1886,the British crown received two applications from India,one was from calcutta and the other from Bombay.Both were two different communities but asking to be officially recognised as East Indian community.The Anglo indian community in calcutta and local indiginious community from Bombay.
Queen Victoria,decreed in favour of the Bombay application and the local community of native of Bombay were officially gazetted to be called the East Indian community.
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Thats how all Balutedar sharing cultural and linguistic uniformity, the sutar, the kunbi,the nhavi the bhandari the lohar...etc were formed and recognised as the East Indian community!
Thank You Ma'am for sharing your Knowledge.🎉
The stoll Dr D'Souza has round her neck is a typical print of a east indian saree (lugda), u still find east indians from vasai wearing it.
Very very interesting Interview, nice to listen
love : Sibila Rodrigues Benaulim Goa
Excellent history Cristian an East Indian community God bless you both mam
I treasure this program. How can I get to have the books authored by Dr Fluer.
To be very polite,, How many names did Bombay, 14:52 now Mumbai have?
In lndia, it's a trend to change names of places 😊
@@doreenfernandes2431 No it is original name is Mumbai Britishers bastardized it as Bombay , Similar Thane was changed to Thana , Pune changed to PUNA, Vandre Changed to BANDRA, Shiv changed to SION ,
Ptolemy, the Greek geographer had named the 7 islands which constitutes present Mumbai as Heptanesia. The locals called it Mumbai, the Portuguese Bom bahia, the British Bombay. The East Indians have always called their land Mobai.
The East Indian community origins from Balutedaar socio systems of Maharastra. So we are purely Maharashtrian with Marathi language.We adopted the English language and culture from the Anglo community.
From the British,not the Anglo community.
but this interview talks about Portuguese influence not British!
@@jiti5034 Mumbai was occupied by portugandu and was gifted to the British in dowry. The British didn't waste time converting them into Anglican or COE believers so they have retained the pokergee influence
@@discomallu9769 your history is skewed, The East Indians have always been Roman Catholics, not Anglicans,
@@candidamulrain4573 when did I say you were converted to Anglican ?
All I said is that unlike the pokergee, the British didn't bother to convert you when Mumbai became British territory & so you retain pokergee influence.
Informative. The real Maharashtrians.
Very nice and interesting. Thank you for this video
1) Do East Indians have Goan linkage and or Origin?
2) Were East Indians Konkanis as Manglorians?
3) How can Anglo Indians, East Indians with Goans be distinguished?
4) Why are East Indians not Anglicans but Catholics?
5) Why was it not called West Indians?
6) Are East Indians Bartolomeo/Nathanial Christians?
7) Did the Portuguese subpress the East Indians from speaking Konkani as was the case with Goa or its history is burried?
1. No, the EI are the natives of the 7 islands that made up present day Bombay & suburbs.
2. Well they are from the coastal Konkan region but not from Goa or Mangalore
3. By their food/cuisine, traditional dress, language. Anglo Indian cuisine maybe largely influenced by the British whereas East Indian cuisine is a fusion of local Marathi/Konkan and Portuguese. East Indians speak a kind of Creole or a dialect with Marathi as it's base but with many loan words from Portuguese, Gujrati, Urdu.
EI women wear the traditional 9 yards lugra similar to the Marathi nav-vari with some variations in drape style. The fabric is similar to the Ikal chequered weave style of Karnataka but the border and motifs are distinctly EI.
4. EI were converted by the Portuguese who were Roman Catholic Christians. The British are Anglicans.
5. The name taken by the community was largely political not geographical. Dr. Fleur explains it in the video.
6. Who are Bartholomeo /Nathaniel Christians? EI are Roman Catholics.
7. The East Indians were free to speak in their native tongue.
@@candidamulrain4573 koli -agri were real natives of marathi. Koli-agri is dialect of marathi . Go know some koli-agri songs and cuisine .
Excellent.I wonder where the book is available
Would like to understand the surnames which have a Portuguese connect. Dsouza, dasilva, Rodriguez etc etc. were the indigenes, maharashtrians or GSBs of goa converted by Portuguese to Christianity and hence the surname? Most speak Marathi or konkani and hence the question.
This is a Bombay that is gone, not one remnant remains.
The Santos fly still resides at Sahar village and belong to Our Lady Of Health Sahar
Could it be the community wanted the "east India company" Name to be preserved as they were emotionally attached and hence chose to call themselves "east indians" - the very year the east India Company was defunked.
How does Dr. Fleur distinguishes between Anglo Indians and her own community? Do they look down upon Anglos?
The East Indians have never looked down upon Anglo infact looked up to,right from East India company to calling themself East Indians which apparently anglo community identified being east to the UK. East Indians adopted much of English culture and language from Anglo community.
@@darrylpereira473Anglo lndians have one European parent almost always a Brit. They could be catholics or protestants and spoke English at home. They did not consider themselves lndian and referred to England as home. They were white colored largely employed by the army or railways.
East lndian are local Hindus converted to Roman Catholicism. Racially they were 100% lndians, spoke marathi, derived livelihood from the soil and water. Women wore saree known as lugda and in the past men wore half dhoti.
@@ushabhende4040 so originally Hindu
@@darrylpereira473 except for the English dress and language by some East Indian elites, I fail to see traces of English culture.
where can we read the thesis on line ? thank You
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I am from Larkana Sindh Pakistan, from the seat of Ancient civilization of the Indus valley!
Mombai was actually Mom Bai, the name of a Sindhi woman of Malaahs from Kolachi clan and was married there from Karachi. for before the both place got shape of cities. The both MomBai and present Karachi were small Fishermen villages on the banks of ocean, those days called as Sindu Sagar (ocean).
Her younger sister Gul Bai, popularly known as Mai Kolachi, is burried here along with her seven brothers on Maripur Road on the bank of Lyari river in Karachi, the port city of Pakistan.
Larkana Sindh Pakistan
July 19, 2024.
Kuch bhi.
So are East Indians mixed race or converts?
East Indians are converted by dropping bread into their well.most of them are Brahmins. In hv visited some houses in vasai .their old wooden houses still have hindu inscriptions carved on doors.some of them proudly tell we were hindu Brahmins.
Kaka Baptista has a bust erected in Uttan. He was originally from Uttan.
we lost are fields under the T P S scheme in Bandra Mumbai.
What is the meaning of “East Indians”? Never heard of this in my 76 years before.
Builder mafia destroyed my Goa
Why did you allow them to destroy?
Look at the channel Jio.. 😂😂😂whatever is left of the original inhabitant of Mumbai.. gujjus will that off as well..
🎉❤
Michael Perera, billard world champion should have mentioned
He is Michael Ferreira 👍
How can u say they are the original inhabitants.
Why not? Where do you think the East Indians came from? Our forefathers were farmers, fishermen, toddy tappers, carpenters, barbers etc who lived on the 7 islands and cultivated the lands that now constitute Mumbai.
Please define east indian. In west Indies people of Indian origin are called east indian. Are the people who worked for East India co. called east indian? 😢
Dr. Fleur sheds light on this in the video.
Not Maratha Invasion, Maratha Liberation (Swarjya) of coast. The choice of the word to describe the liberation movement indicates loyalties.
Pls visit kotachi wadi Girgaum charni road, goregaon east behind st Thomas church nr railway station, mahim west, bandra west, versova all or east Indians Catholics are staying and many have left the places
The fact remains that there is no EAST on the west coast of भारत. It a feeble effort to conceal their original identity. It's NO SECRET that the हिंदू from आगरी,कोळी & भंडारी communities which were converted to the Christianity were labelled "" East Indians'"" to conceal their low social hierarchy. The Christian missionaries have condemned the caste system in the सनातन धर्म persued the same practice
Vandre NOT BANDRA , Shiv not SION.... brown sahib syndrome!
Are East Indians Catholic or Protestants?
Displaced & Dispossessed !!
The more you call us east Indians 😂
Too many flaws
Agree.
East Indian...I thought it was people of North East...😂😂
Long story short, a colonial power occupied some parts of India. Some of the occupied heathen convert to the true religion of the colonial power. The neo converts then find ways to separate themselves from the heathen.
This difference in life style becomes their culture & we spend 30 mins listening to something that could have been wound up in 5. 😂