Fendt 1167 - Derated... 😠
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- ** So remember that code that was coming up awhile ago? Well it finally derated me!.. 🤦🏻♂️ And not an easy job to fix either..
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That is maddening, that tractor is 100% capable of operating but one little code is all it takes.
Absolutely! I know why you have the Big Bud's👍😆
Welkers ! Any collabs coming up ? ^^
Ya it’s so dumb. At least some form of temp bypass but it’s the same on all diesels these days. I know on our 2016 dodge if you throw a def code on the Highway, have fun doing 6 mph on the shoulder limping home
Better overall engine performance
Increase the fuel economy
No engine light problems
No limp mode
No more need of DEF AdBlue liquid
Lower repair and maintenance costs
Longer engine life
Are you considering a other tractor
Wow, thats a serious de-rating. Imagine if that happened while on the road somewhere. "Sorry I'm blocking the main intersection, my brand new tractor threw a sensor code"
Well, I'm pretty sure that would be operator error, since you would've been running the tractor ignoring the code for quite a while. Like the description says: "... it FINALLY derated me", which I take as "I ignored it for a long time, and now after a long time it derated the tractor". So yeah, blame the tractor all you want, but it would be operator error in that case.
@@timderks5960 if you watch Mikes vid he moves on road sometimes for hours at a stretch. They farm 100s of miles north.
@@jandcco I'm well aware. That however is not a normal scenario, especially not in Europe, where Fendts are made. Sure, a countdown would be nice, like "You will be derated in 1h", and one for 15m and 1m or something like that, but it's just uncommon to have a tractor so far from home, so hardly anyone would need such a warning. And even if they were so far from home, anywhere but the extreme outback like where Mike is would have a service center within an hour's drive, so there's just no reason for a longer delay.
Again: if you're driving on a public road with a code of which you know it's going to derate your engine at some point, it's 100% operator error. Could it be better? Sure. Is there a valid reason for it to be better? Unless I'm way overestimating how much time was between the code showing up and the engine derating (I'm assuming at least 4 to 6 hours, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was longer), nope.
@@timderks5960 according to what mike said in the video there is around 16h+ between the first warning pop-up and the full derate.
so ye, operator error if it was on the road..
@@timderks5960 you def. never watch or listen to Mike what so ever, asking these questions or make statements of this kind. 🤔🙄
This happened to a trucker on Ice Road Truckers. He was in the middle of a huge lake when his truck de-rated. There was a real possibility the truck could have fallen through the ice. He was able to limp the truck to land but it looked scary. You could tell the driver was seriously nervous. The bureaucrat who came up with this should be locked up. These DEF issues have been a problem for Letsdig18 as well. He lost a good week of work because both his Volvo Track Hoe and Komatsu Dozer were down with DEF issues and it wasn't the first time. Recently he has purchased 3 pre-def pieces of equipment. He fixed them up and they look and run great. That's one way to solve that problem.
I think it was Art Burke on ice road trucks
A RUclipsr "Danger Industries" who does hauling in Canada got derated in the night, in the middle of nowhere during winter.
If he didn't have cellphone signal he could be stuck cold on a low traffic road in freezing arctic weather, where a diesel engine at idle can't provide sufficient heat due to efficiency considerations.
DEF will at best cost you money and time, if you are really unlucky it can kill you, best to disable and kill that system as soon as possible.
@Mike Mitchell you are right, there needs to be an emission system fault override to allow work to continue. In the USA, this is actually in the EPA laws, that the system can be bypassed while waiting repairs, to prevent down time. OEM need to get with the program. #1 farmer equipment frustration... all brands...
Deere can already to this, have been able to for years, but its pretty strict requirements to do it.
None of my stuff has a bypass. Lots of regen cycles on water truck and forklifts. Loaders run hot enough we get by with 6 000 hour DPF filter exchange. Is a drag when class 8 trucks Christmas tree the dash and everything stops.
Just get Ivan from "Pine Hollow" to come around and cut in a ~Ohm or 3V reference back to the ECU and you will never see a Def Quality code again... Warranty out the window of course.
So frustrating when time is of the essence, but man is it awesome to have a dealership that is right on the ball and there to get you back up and running again. Big praise to those guys!!
Even though we don't get to see the mechanic we still appreciate him for getting you back up and running so you can make more videos for us viewers! Happy seeding Mike!
Surprised there hadn't been an aftermarket chip made to bypass def in such a case
Cool new picture of Chapel in the laundry basket which is his new mode of transportation around the house.
Hi Mike, I had the same problem with my New Holland Tractor, They could not fix it , So we go a new tractor, NH told us to use a different type of Def ( we call it add blue) which they never gave so we use normal DEF and work ok, If you keep having problems with DEF , the only way to fix it is by putting a new DEF system on the tractor, anyway good luck
I would ask the dealer “nicely” to stock one or two of those sensors in their warehouse.
Lol I was thinking of 1 or 2 of these tractors just in case, when they fail they can swap out till it’s fixed
@@vxnova1 Tape two of them to the roof lol.
I think then Problem is that agco got hacked and dealers at least here in germany weren t / aren t able to order stuff directly
Yes, that seems like a pretty standard sensor
@@maximiliameindl4558 so their IT staff suck too! Allowing hackers in and not being able to recover quickly,
Friend of mine’s son in law is a master mechanic. He says if it wasn’t for all the emissions crap he constantly has to repair, he wouldn’t have a job. ☹
That and fuel injectors. Lots of fuel injectors
And high pressure pumps
I’m impressed with the dealer support! My hats off to them for getting ya going that quick, with all things considering
Sorry for your trouble and I appreciate you respecting the people that don’t want to be on the tube.
Can you imagine how much more fun that would have been if you didn't widen the tracks?
I thought Mike took that quite well.
I would be so mad being trapped in the middle of the field like that, with hours or potentially days burning.
Pure luck the part came in.
Also love/ hate how the sensor is intergrated with the DEF heater coils. Fine when AGCO is footing the bill but means the price of the whole assembly would suck. If you were super stuck trying to source parts it looked like you could replace just the sensor but given the time and effort involved that would be a last resort.
Who says he did take it well, There is those little thing called - off camera and Playing it cool for the Camera
Shit he did well to hold it together for the camera
I'd be throwing the camera though the window
I can imagine what was said on the phone call
The dealer was probably happier than Mike that the parts had just come in cause they would've copped a flogging
Mike, I feel for you. We have a new 9520rx, it's one of our planter tractors. Sunday the operator was all set to go to the field and warning and codes came up. Tractor stopped he couldn't go no where. Got a hold of the service tech found a Selenoid bad. Had to go 30 miles to the dealer to get another one. Also found out why the autosteer wasn't working properly. Faulty globe. So replaced that. Not even 50hrs on the tractor. They all break down unfortunately it happens at the wrong time. The other planter tractor is a new Holland and that's another headache. It's sitting under a tree hoping the tree will fall on it! Our dealer was nice enough to bring up a tractor to put the planter. He's hoping we'll trade!
Bet that 620 Quad looks real good right about now.
Thinking the exact same thing
I'm a steiger tech. The def is on the side and fully accessible
We bought a fleet of first generation Mercedes sprinters with def back in 2009. They derated non stop that first year until they decreased the sensitivity in the sensors somehow with a software update... DEF IS TRASH
Def is total garbage, more junk for the dump.
still better then a international truck produced between 2011- 2014.
Hello, I don't understand anything in English, but I'm watching your videos. I envy you a little.
Unfortionate issue to have and extremely frustrating especially to see what it takes to repair that. But im pretty impressed with the quick turn around by the service tech. Props to him on getting it ordered just in time and being there to help you get going again.
@George Jones im impressed with the service tech. Not the tractor. I agree. Although i work at the facility that built this unit its extremely upsetting to see.
Good Video Mike, ZK Mastertech just did a replacement video of the same sensor on a different tractor
I can't wait to hear your opinion on the performance of this tractor.
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS AMAZING JOURNEY WITH US
The most remarkable thing about that whole incident is the patience you showed the camera, either your a very good actor, very good video editor or a very patient man
A tip I learned in my youth was that steel toecaps are a must if your reduced to kicking broken down machinery 😁
Exactly the same part I have had to get changed on a couple of Volvo loaders I had working with. Of coarse theirs are under the radiator 😖
Brand new tractors breaking down like this should never happen. It's costing time and money. I cannot believe AGCO hasn't been able to fix any of these issues.
The AGCO should be forced to pay him as much money as he loses every day till they get the tractor fixed.
The problem is that you got a such small series of tractors that you don't got 1000 tractors in prototype stages. You won't get every little detail right. The aftermarket support is pretty important then
@@juliushollmann9938 basic def issues should not be corner conditions - frustrating
Junk!
@@atnfn government should be forced to pay for losses.. it's their mandates for emissions
I agree with Welker Farms. I can sympathize with you. It is not convenient any time this happens. I had a similar situation, but with a Ram 3500 diesel. My solution was to slowly drive it to the dealer under warranty for fixing. Eventually, I replaced with a gas powered Ram 2500. I know it may not be as easy a solution for you, as evidenced by your service in the field. This is very expensive equipment. I guess the codes protect your investment from further damage. Good luck to the future.
I do enjoy your videos. Oh by the way, I farm two gardens that are about 5 x 5 feet each.
Best things for all these new tractors is deleting the emissions crap. Let them breathe naturally!
Order another Def quality sensor now. We had multiple Peterbilts and KWs down due to faulty Def quality sensors on Cummins engines. National back order. Finally received after 1-3 months down time. We were able to convince Peterbilt and KW to override the fault code so we could operate.
Saw one in Canada for $725 CAD, still can't figure out the manufacture.
It's a combined quality sensor, with heating element heated by engine coolant.
Better to loose 4 hr 4 days due to not available at present time. On back order. Have a wonderful great day
That's a half a million brand spanking new tractor for you. Damn,cannot imagine the frustration. I'd lost my shit.
Much more than half mill..
@@dusanignjatov7658 Even better dude. Thankfully AGCO has great tech support. But as he mentioned,time is very valuable to him which he lost.
we like to run new tractors a fiew hours for that plow, let the tractor work and sweat a bit, wen some breaks what happens mostly with new tractor its easy to get it in the shop :)
It’s a good job you’re not trying to cross a rail line or main road. Then the irony is all the emissions caused by excessive journeys to get the emissions equipment working again.
Same thing I said to somebody else who made this dumb comment: Read the description. It says "... it FINALLY derated me", ie. "I ignored the error for a long time, and now after a long time the tractor got derated". If this happens to you when crossing anything, it's your own stupid fault, because you ignored the error for WAY too long.
Emissions regulations are anticivilizational.
@@timderks5960 what was he supposed to do, just park the tractor and twiddle his thumbs? When it's time to seed, it's time to seed. Even minutes of downtime can snowball. It's ridiculous that the entire tractor can get ground to a halt over a sensor issue (and even more ridiculous that it's a NEW tractor with issues already). Go somewhere else with your bad takes
Looks a lot like the part on JD that fails to, JD calls it the def manifold.
ZK replaced one if those things in his last video.
Yup, but it sure doesn't take that long to get to it.
Those things fail on all machines. Kubota call it a DEF HEADER we've replaced enough of those.
DEF gives me anxiety and I don't even own a tractor 🤣 hope all goes well with your new equipment from here on out 🤞
For the late nite when you are about to fall asleep at the wheel -- ZK Master tech on youtube replaced same components on a JD 2 track in about 40 minutes start to finish -- sits right out in open AND did not derate, customer said when it rains we'll fix it
I can imagine the frustration of paying so much for a tractor, expecting performance, and having this series of problems happen and still don't have a replacement part..
If it helps, JD are having the exact same DEF qual sensor failures on their 8RT's which use the same component requiring the same whole unit to be replaced.
That doesn't help... it is ignorant for any government entity to require a system on a diesel engine that it is so unreliable. As Mike commented, after 10 years, this technology should work. If this is the best any manufacturer can do in a decade, it's time to scrap this "technology" and develop something better.
That's because the Def system is actually made by Cummins. Had a def injector go on our fendt 1167 and on the part it said Cummins international. So I don't think that it is an agco problem to be honest.
We have had problems with Deere and Fendt with Def here in the UK, all our Deere's have gone now because they couldn't get them sorted.
Fendt we found keep tick over to a minimum and don't constantly use the TMS open it up for at least a couple of hours a day, it has a negative impact on fuel consumption but the Def system seems less troublesome.
Like has already been said all manufacturers suffer with Def issues even our trucks, Daf Scania and Volvo all have problems with sensors.
Can't remember the last time we had a proper mechanical breakdown it's always sensors.
Hopefully your problems will be sorted now and you will have trouble free seeding from now on followed by some nice rains to get decent yields.
Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
This is embarrassing for Fendt. I hope they find a quick and good solution for you.
Its not just Fendt, construction equipment does the same, i have seen a dozer derate, fixed the sensor and not more than 10 hours later the same brand new sensor failed. I never understood how they cannot somehow blend the DEF with the fuel before it goes into the machine.
They just need to dial back the sensitivity on the sensors.
@@turnerg def is injected into the exhaust stream...mixing it with the fuel would destroy ANY diesel engine in a matter of minutes.
Just like they did with the straw chopper issue with the combines. lol
@@turnerg The DEF never gets blended with the fuel. Instead it is sprayed into the exhaust system into special catalysts where it forms ammonia and helps clean the exhaust gases
You're lucky you could.get the part. My 2021 Peterbilt 339 (with less than 30k miles) spent 90 days at the dealer waiting on a DEF quality sensor.
Damn, so frustrating!
Good luck getting rid of that emissions stuff, i mean getting rid of that error. ;)
call up the deere operators to plant around your luxurious field ornament mike 👍
I say that constitutes a stuck :(
Def Dosing Unit! Boy I love those! At least on the Deere stuff, you don’t have to disassemble the machine. It’s right behind the ladder.
This is why we only buy tractors that don’t have def!!!!! My boss would rather have me do regular maintenance then deal with the crap your dealing with! I don’t care how nice the lights are( I add leds for cheap ) I don’t care how dance your screens are or how smooth your tractor is cuz mine is still seeding and when it does break and they all do most often it’s a 20 min fix!!!!! Oh not to mention the price!!!!
Thx I’ll stay with our older iron!!!!
That is why Welker’s keep using their Big Bud’s. You can always swap a motor.
If you need one quicker. Ziegler in Crookston Mn has one.
Good luck hopefully no more break downs
Mike I once had a car do that in the middle of an intersection. I can't even begin to imagine the anger and frustration that you're feeling there.
Looks like your going to have to buys a couple of more of those tractors and have them setting around so you’ll have parts to keep one running.
As you say Mike, The all break down no matter what color they are. AGCO should be sending a loaner tractor immediately to get you up running, again! IF they will NOT create a Dealer Mechanic Temporary Bypass!!
They should send a Deere loaner or some other brand because the Fendt loaner would break down again🤣
That’s would still take a full day to get a loaner out and then to swap out all the wires monitors etc !! Way too much work
I’d be waiting a day or 2 before I’d even consider that option
I marvel how calm you are. I would have lost it. Send this video to the manufacturer and ask for payment for lost time
Mike we always learn lessons. If It's not broke don't f it up. I'll let you think about that every time that tractor you bought sits your planting season. You should send it back and haul triples form up north south.
Just think of how clean your air is up there in Saskatchewan!😀 There’s always a bright side!
Thought you were going to give her the ole figure-four leglock...Wooooooooo!
All the best! Have a safe season. Thanks for the video.
We all think engineers are smart. Ha
Hope your seeding is going good Mike. You should be cruising right along, as long as you had no more issues.
We are only 10% done, 3.5 hrs east of you.
Wet, wet, wet.
Sure hope you have had some rain.
We just got 2.5 inches three days ago. Total in two wks 3.1 inches.
Take Care!
So much for getting a brand new tractor
Reminder to send love and prayers to Larson Farms this May 27th as it marks one year after the loss of Nicole Larson.God bless Chet and his family and friends on this day. We are all family!
Chet got remarried
I'm surprised the tech didn't have a dummy sensor blocker that he could put in for "testing" to allow tractor to get out of the field.
Got to comment on that IMT truck. Made in a nice iowa town.
As always the more hi tech things get the more things will break. I remember my dad not buying an IH Axial Flow with hyrdostatic drive back in the day as too many things to go wrong 😁
There is to many sensors for def. There does t need to be a quality sensor. As long as it pumps it should run. If it happens again I’d try and trick the sensor with a resistor so it sees what it needs to.
And even with all the DEF problems you experience, you still bought a diesel suburban for the family truckster!!!
I think you handled that very well, good for you. I’d be saying it started to derate, and then it just burst into flames 🔥 😆
Mike,you will be a bag of nerves watching for that warning light coming back on!! What a stupid place for you to get acess to that tank,thought you would only have to replace a small sensor thing not a whole contraption that probably cost hundreds of dollars,glad you getting all that done under warranty
Mike I'm pulling for you with this AGCO equipment. We run all AGCO (Challenger. AGCO, White tractors, Gleaner combines) and have never had an issue with DEF. Not sure if there's anything different with Fendt but I'm hoping they get it figured out for you. I'd like to see more of those Fendts on your guys' farm.
In some newer semi trucks if you cycle the key a few times before starting you will get a little more time
I get the point of DEF / Adblue or whatever else, it does reduce the harmful emissions but you are 100% correct there absolutely should be a code or some sort of override that the dealer is able to provide if they cannot fix it immediately, downtime can be a killer for a farm of any size - my dads farm here in the uk would fit in one of your fields, but this sort of failure on a combine in the summer could still cost us alot. As well as the pain of downtime this issue and its frequent occurrence is also driving folk to hate DEF because its harming them rather than the goal of simply helping the environment. Manufacturers must do better.
Wrong. It doesn't change the emissions at all. It just colors the smoke white instead of black.
@@rickjanssen5942 sadly you are misinformed if you think that, its probably worth looking into it correctly and not believing nonsense. There is nothing that DEF or adblue that would change in smoke as you cant see the NOx emissions its designed to remove anyway
@@bens8919 Do tell. Still burning diesel at the same rate if not higher. Doesn't add any power. Doesn't remove pollutants. It's not like there is a carbon collection bucket hanging under the exhaust pipe. So other that burning a mixer of water and urea and making the smoke white, what the heck does it do?
I feel your restrained anger, get angry the same way. Thanks for maintaining professionalism and being nice. So I'll say it for you: i feel like punching something. Producing electronic interlocks on equipment like this makes no broader economic sense, i mean what would happen if just a strong solar flare hits like the Carrington event?
Our food supply MUST have top priority and better maintenance than even airplanes. Just simple, reliable and easy.
Mike you'll prob never read this, but did you know almost all airplanes can be flown with error codes? In fact it's routine. Your tractor going down, it being this vulnerable is like an airplane deciding that since one IR sensor is faulty it will idle engines while in flight.
Broader society has lost its bearings a bit. Too much of a good thing..
I believe I would return that machine to the dealer and go back with Case or Deere.
Looks like you are good for another 70 hours.
Yes yes.... how about no
Overriding sensor errors should be a thing. Like, flash, flash your sensor is bad, "override".
Like, it could keep flashing and perhaps some systems becomes inoperable due to the failure but you could keep on going until the part can be replaced
Had a new Holland combine do this 😱feeling your pain ☹️
Thanks Mike! Enjoyed the video!
I can see that being bypassed about 1 minute after the warranty runs out. By then someone will have a plug in bypass so that shit never happens again.
So expensive/new machine and broke so fast, but +5 for service. Part of farming :)
5* for service for sure
Know its frustrating but I think they will get it figured out
Now that is frustrating. Normally you buy new equipment so you can work! I hope you will be able to finish planting without any further complications. Godspeed to you Mike :)
That emission regulations are a bunch of BS! I understand and support ecology but keep DEF to cars, trucks and stuff that moves on the road where support is easier.
The emission regulations should not affect farm equipment so strickly. It should, like you suggested, be made possible to override the whole emission segment of the machine and just kept you working when only sensor or electronics brake down.
The modern engines are a work of art but sadly they are being controlled by an overly complicated and prone to error system. And the stupid thing is that it only keeps down the emission impact by road and land vehicles which represents only a few percent of overall world polution!
Good for another 60 hours! I really hope I am wrong.
I get the point of DEF/Adblue, and it makes sense, but it does not make sense that you cannot override it, especially as here it's most likely only a dead sensor.
But interesting to see that the DEF tank seems to be heated by Coolant
Yep, they are heated with coolant. It is also the level gauge and DEF quality sensor. The first thing a tech. needs to do is a software update and bill you a loy of money. If the code is gone they will let u drive. when the code comes back they bill u once more to check it out. When they need parts, they come back with parts and bill u again. I have seen it more than once on this DEF sensors (non Fendt).
In case of a faulty sensor, and if the manuf WANTS they could tell u to check the def quality with a refractometer, if it is ok they could build in a code that enables u to resets the meassured value.( often the measured value is a few% below the min treshold) And u are back in business, but charging u for new software is easy money.
Our Deere did this to us this planting season. So aggravating to be at a full stop due to software and shit repair restrictions. Some of this can evidently be temporarily bypassed by physically disconnecting the battery for a time. Classic IT power cycle solution. Reference to try if you find yourself in a future jam.
It's a tank sensor and not an exhaust sensor problem, so nothing wrong with the emmisions.
That would mean, or the sensor is too sensitive for the heating coil around, sensor is gone, or you have another kind of DEF than Adblue in Europe that
triggers the sensor. Both should be the same, 32.5% urea - 67.5% deionized water, less problems in Europe.
Its part of the emissions system. Keep voting democrat. Sheep
Hello Mike from East India 🇮🇳, I am fan for Fendt Tractors 🚜, one of the German best tractor in world 🌍 and see, I will drive my future.
I hope Mike, your 🚜 is well.
well that is mikes first season, Seeding with a fendt. And the last one.
Imagine if it wasn't under warranty, I just had a nox sensor on a Mercedes truck 700 pounds ! And it's smaller than my hand !
Until Def sensors adjust correctly you will have issues with 95% off all new equipment. Go on RUclips and find the farmer ones where you can remove Def, realize you have warranty but my new IH loader I went most of month with tractor derating until I had def removed. You won’t be sorry unless caught.
I know for sure farmers in europe some how default that sensor and do not have that problem any more
What we need in this world is 1975 engine and trans with a fancy cab only!
1982
In Germany it is (was?) possible to disable the def completly! We ones had a 828 with def disabled via Software.
Dang that’s very upsetting with more codes that came in! And such a stupid spot that they put that sensor!! WOW I can’t believe it!! Now just imagine if that happened on the highway! You would of blocked the highway for hours! Unreal! They need to have limp home mode at the very lest!! I don’t imagine Mike will have this “thing” very long!!
Mike I love your content and please dually note Im not equipment bashing but personally I think you need to switch to deere or case AT LEST till Fendt gets there stuff straight. Planting is a very important part of the year and you cant afford to be sitting because of some stupid def code. That being said I wish you a successful and bountiful year. God bless Faith Hope Farms.
New equipment break in sucks. We've never had something delivered that was perfect
We had a lot of DEF problems, since we use optispray we don't have any problems anymore. It's higher quality or something.
You have to geht outbackwrap for tour hoses! Very Handy pièce oft stuff
I would demand an investigation and explanstion to why it happened.
Claas 970 choppers run the same engine…odds that dealership has the part sooner in the future?
Nice tractor, but can it pull a T72 tank? Crucial qustion these days!
To much junk on new tractor be safe mike.
@zkmastertech just replaced two of those on John Deere tractors
Love the videos Mike, love your honesty.
Next big bud for sale in North America will have Mike S name on it ?
When can we see some hills so we can watch this thing work